You're Gonna Be Alright No Matter What: On Facing Anger, Aging, and Loss With Humor and Grace | Sylvia Boorstein

29:37So thank you very much for having come. And he walks off to the door. And he's about to go through the door. And he turns around and he says to me, I just wanted you to know that I was a member of the United States. In 1904, I was a member of the United States Olympic rowing team. You see, I got you. Did I get you? Yeah. Yeah. That he wanted to tell me that. Now I'm tearing all up. that he wanted to tell me that at that moment. And I thought, boy, it's happened a lot of times that somebody says something, and people say hundreds of things to me. Tell me if somebody says something, and I think that's like a communication from on high.

30:27I just want you to know that I was once upon a time, da-da-da. And I took away a lot from that. What did you take? I have to tell another story. My teacher, Rabbi Zalman Shakhtar Shalomi, said when something happens to you and it's really important, like it was something you did well or something that you suddenly understood well, he said make it like a deposit. It's like winning something. Make a deposit in the safe deposit box in the back of your mind and put it in there. And sometime in your life later on, when you're feeling a little low, go through your deposits and see what you have there.

31:12What's valuable. That happened when I was 35, so that's 55 years ago. The fact that he had been an Olympic rower and felt the need to tell you in the context of him not being able to do very gentle yoga, to me it speaks of impermanence. It speaks of the human need to be seen and recognized. Anything else it says to you? I'm also thinking about it. What I think about was I think he liked me and he wanted to touch me with a story about him that wasn't infirm. Right. And I am glad that I went over to talk to him so he could tell it to me. And he probably felt good afterwards. So it's another hand to hold.

32:06It's another hand. To be able to hold a hand is really, you know, we're all just doing this. Somebody wrote this. I don't remember if it was Ram Dass who said, we're all just walking each other home. But that always touches me when someone says that we're all just walking each other home. Well, you didn't take the bait before when I used the word selfish. I was kind of picking up on the Dalai Lama's term of wise selfishness, that we're all selfish by nature. That's just part of the human animal. But the highest form of maybe self-interest would be to, as you said before, turn your mind into something sweet so that you're inclined to hold the hands that need to be held.

32:57Yeah, I remember in stories. And what else I'm discovering is that when I meet somebody and they say, oh, Sylvia Borshine, I read all your books, I'm so happy to meet you, and the story I like best because I tend, I teach by telling stories because I don't want to pontificate. You know, my style for myself requires that if I'm going to say something like, such and such is the end of suffering, I'm going to say, in my experience, da-da-da-da-da-da, so that it's just my experience. Otherwise, I'm going to say, that's it. It's been my experience. Or I'll tell you a story. At the time that I began my Buddhist meditation practice in 1977 with all of my teachers, Jack and Joseph and Sharon, we were all young.

34:01I was always older than they are, because I am, but we were all young. It didn't occur to me to think about, or did, but I let it go. So we went on retreats, and I thought I was heroic doing them because I was 35, 40 maybe, 1977. I was born in 36, 46, 56, 66. I was 40, and I was a yoga teacher, so I thought my body would be great, and it wasn't. But I did what they did. And for me, what it was in the beginning was I was proud of myself when I could finally sit on the floor on a zafu and sit for a whole time and sit still. And I thought that was great. And I didn't even think to say, by the way, what's the end game?

35:01What am I supposed to learn from this? Why am I doing this? a friend of mine who recently died. I'm discovering how many times I'm telling a story now and I'm having to say a friend of mine who recently died because it's a recent phenomenon. Anyway, my friend Mary said, tell anybody. My friend Mary was a Dominican nun. She said, I can really understand and people will understand. If you tell them what you're doing and towards what end and ask them what they're doing, not the name of what they're doing. She's a Dominican nun. What's her practice and what are her? So what would I say about my practice?

35:46So I could say I do a meditation of paying attention and I do it this way and that way and I pay attention to this or that. But she said, you have to ask towards what end? What are you hoping will happen? What's the point? And when we all started, do you remember going to your first retreat being clear about why you started? No. I had no idea what I was doing. Yeah. I didn't either, especially in the 70s. They didn't say. It was just what was happening. It was trendy. And my husband went on a retreat, and he came home, and he said, this is great, so you have to do it. Okay. Then you go and you see what they do.

36:36Anyway, fast forward, I got to be able not only to sit still, but actually to be able to quiet my attention and really begin to see things in a new way. I don't remember a lot of people saying, something will fall away and the heart opens. but what's going to really happen to me? And one time my husband, some years maybe into practice, said to me, what's happened from all your practice still? What's happened? What's changed? And I said to him, quite seriously, I said, I became kind. And he said, you were always kind. And I said, well, I became kinder. and then I think that's profoundly what happened and I didn't become kinder because all the practice just pushed all the aggression out of my mind or beat me down I think what happened is that as I paid attention you begin to read I began to see that really everybody is suffering everybody is suffering and I began to think about things like we're all living in a hospital ward on a way to be dead and buried.

38:01But in the meantime, everybody is sick, and everybody is suffering, and they can't figure out why. And they get caught in some sufferings that are adventitious things that a bug gets you or a gene gets you and you get sick. But we tell ourselves so many stories that make us in more pain. It took a long time for me to think that what was really developing in all the time that I was learning to sit and pay attention, I am, I think, naturally good-hearted. I come from good-hearted people. I come from mild-mannered, good-hearted people who love me, and they thought I was terrific. So that is like a royal flush.

38:48I was the only child of an only child. And so they thought I was terrific, which is very good for you, by the way, whether you're an only child or not, to have your parents think that you're terrific. But to discover that the kinder I got, the better I felt. Accidentally, I told you the story about holding the hand. Do you like it if I tell stories? I like whatever you do. Okay, that's wonderful. Carte blanche. I can tell you a recent story. The man who told me about being on the rowing team was like 50 years ago. Recently, I moved into my place where I had conflicted feelings about it. and I came home from a shopping trip to the grocery one day and I brought home with me, you know those little boxes, they look like mini strawberry crates with strawberries in them or cherries or in this case dates.

39:57I'm putting them in my fridge, which I have in my room, and I realize it's lunchtime and I usually eat lunch with Celine and Jean who are 84 and 86, 94 and 96 and except for hearing difficulties, they think well, which is I love. And so I go to the lunch and I pick up the little crate of figs that I bought for myself. I say, I'll just take it for Celine and Joan. And I go into the dining room. There's tables of people sitting all around. And here's Celine and Joan. Oh, here are not Celine and Joan. They're not there. That's it. I come to my table with my little thing of figs. And they're not there.

40:47And I've got them. And I look around. And right next to me is a table for six, all full of its people. They're all there. So I just on the moment turned around. I said, would anybody like a fig? You think, who knows? Who could have figured? I said, who would like a fig? This is in August when the first figs are out. And the whole response, figs. I love figs. My uncle Fred had a fig tree in his backyard. That was the best. So I give them the figs and they're passing it around. Someone else said, I love it. My mother used to make a pudding from figs. And I love figs. And they said, it went around the table.

41:29and I'm starting to be on to something because my mood, which was, as I told you, I've been working to get to be happy about being there. But now, they were so excited about the figs, I could feel myself coming all excited. So they finished with the six of them and I say, here's another table for six. Say, anybody want a fig? I don't know. And so I suddenly realized that I am having such a romp giving out the figs. I wanted to give them out more than I wanted to have a fig, so I give out more figs. Then I sit down, I go back to my table where Celine is then there with Joan, and I give them the last three figs.

42:18I don't think I had any, but I thought to myself, you know, that's it. It is kindness that dictated do that. And then as I'm doing it, I realize I was getting really happy. I didn't need the figs. I just need somebody who I can be moved about and do something for, and then I'll feel happy about it. And I really was so buoyed up about that. I think about all the different kinds of Dharma stories I've told. And mostly, you know, I tell Dharma fables, but mostly I tell people my experience, what works. I think what happens over the years, or what I would say now, what happened over the years is I discovered about myself, and I think it's true for other people, that when we are connected to other people with a positive energy, we feel good.

43:18That's it. You said earlier that when your husband asked you, what's the impact of all the practice you've done, Sylvia, you said, I got kind. And he said, you're already kind. And you said, well, I got kinder. That raised a question in my mind. We live in a very angry time. There's a lot of political polarization. There's economic inequality, which is creating a lot of anger. There's a lot of fear and anxiety about encroaching technologies. I'm curious, do you get angry? Certainly. Sometimes I do. But I try very hard to not go with it. I tell people when they say, how much do you practice every day and what do you do?

44:03What is your spiritual practice? Do you sit every day? What do you do? Do you do metta practice while you sit? I said, my practice, I think, from the moment I wake up in the morning, is to be mindful of the presence or absence of ill will in my mind. And as soon as I feel that ill will is arising in my mind, I address it. Because I feel it. I'm really getting restrained about not watching television. I don't not read the news. Actually, I get the New York Times in California. I get the New York Times delivered to my door every morning before I wake up. I go to my door at 6.30 in the morning. There's a good old New York Times.

44:50If it's not there, anger arises. Because anger arises whenever something didn't happen and you thought it should have. It always reminds me of, I used to have a dog who, whatever else about him, he would know when somebody came in the house who wasn't a regular person or that he knew or maybe there was some animal outside the window and he could be sleeping right next to me. And he would turn on his motor like he's sleeping, doesn't even get up. And he's like starting, he can feel his motor go on when he hears it. I realized that if I stroked him, and I said, it's all right, Nigel, don't worry about it.

45:42Then he could turn the motor off. It wouldn't go anymore. And I think that about myself. Look at that. I read a headline.

45:55And say, don't do that. just let's just read it it's just a headline it's not that i say i never do any other kind of mindfulness practice i think the whole life is mindfulness practice punctuated if we have time and situations by sitting still and really trying to consolidate the ability to hold yourself together. And I can't, I'm not suggesting that I can all the time do it. Can you say more about the moments when you do do it, when your inner Nigel is starting to rev up the engine? Yeah. What is the mechanism by which you can relinquish the ill will? We'll do this, whatever it is. I say something to myself, but it's just, I see it and I feel it, Dan.

46:45You know, you probably feel it in you, the engine is running, and the body is starting to get tense. Sometimes when I teach people, I say, we're going to do this little exercise now briefly, just so you can see what happens. Feel your body as it's sitting. We're all sitting here together. Feel your body, breathing in and out. Feel your arms in and out. And now think about or envision some personage about whom you don't have good feelings, political or otherwise. And notice how your body starts to do that just when you say, think about so-and-so, so-and-so, because your body starts to do that. And say, notice what happens.

47:31Your arms get tight. Your jaw tightens. It's unpleasant. And see if, without telling yourselves any stories, you can just say to yourself, Relax, sweetheart. You're going to be all right. This is okay. All right, we'll see. It's not happening now. Take a breath. Relax. So when you get it, that's the practice. You get up in the morning. I said, they say, how long do you practice every day? Well, this is sort of being clever. Say, it's an all-the-time practice. The practice is, in this moment, is anger arising in me? and if it is, how can I relax it without thinking any story about it? He'll be defeated.

48:18How can I relax? Because anger, you feel it in your body. How do you know you're angry? Because your body has done that. Relax it. Take a big breath in. And if that doesn't relax, you say, sweetheart, take a breath. I was so surprised to find when I first heard about metta meditation, which probably all of your listeners know as the recitation of goodwill phrases to yourself and to other people. And in order to really get the hang of what that meant, I had to realize that when my mind was getting into a mess, I would say to myself, because it starts again, but he said, he said, he said, and I would think to myself, sweetheart, you're in pain.

49:07I mean, that's the honest-to-God, mindful assessment of that moment when the mind is doing a... Sweetheart, you're in pain. Get a grip. Take a breath. Let the breath in and out, in and out. Sometimes I say things like, I'm in pain and I don't want to be in pain. Take a breath in and out. Everything that arises passes away. this moment is going to pass away, but I'm going to pass away first. No, you're not. That's practice. And you do it all day long. It never fails to fascinate and reassure me that we can learn to talk to ourselves. It's like we have our own meditation and dharma teacher in our head that we can harness and use on ourselves.

49:58A very lovely thing happens to me as years have now passed since I began doing that, I meet people and they say, I sat with you eight years ago, six years ago, and the best thing you taught me was to say to myself, sweetheart, you're in pain, take a breath. And then I do that and I feel better. I don't solve the world situation, but I don't make myself worse.

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51:16If there are none of them, they all require some sort of exegesis of what this all means. But the first one is life is difficult for anyone. And the second noble truth that we make it worse than it needs to be by not being able to say this is what's happening. What should I do? Which might be one of the things I might do was to do some ameliorative thing or a kindness to myself or something. And the third noble truth, which is lovely, is if the second noble truth is we make it worse, the third one is we don't have to. The more thoughtful we are and the more kindly we are to ourselves. But I think for a long time in the beginning, I had trouble with the life is difficult.

52:10One of the ways I was always looking for some way to not say life is difficult because it's more dour sounding I want to say life is amazing, that we woke up again, and that I'm still here. But we'll go back to it. Anyway, but it's hard. Once you get born, inevitably you feel comfortable and then you don't, and you feel comfortable and then you don't. And the whole life is you feel comfortable and then you don't. and to be able to feel secure that if you let your needs be known to other people, they'll take care of you. And for babies for whom that's true, I feel so good when I see someone taking care of a baby in a solicitous way and so dismayed when they're not paying attention to what was his name.

53:14doesn't matter, child psychiatrist a long time ago, anyway, said, don't need to have a book on instructions for how to raise a child. You're its mother. You'll figure it out. Child's crying. They're trying to tell you something. They don't feel good. If they felt good, they wouldn't be crying. So if they don't feel good, you have to figure out what's going to make them feel better until they're in a place where they can tell you what they don't feel good about. I read that book, I don't know how many times when my first children were born, and I didn't know why. But I said, don't worry about it, Mother, because it's your baby and you love it.

53:53You'll figure it out. I didn't understand in the beginning when it said life is difficult for everyone because I was young and healthy. My children were young and healthy. Everything, I loved my work that I did. and I thought about people who live really terrible lives, sometimes through their own missteps or their own misfortune or the state of the world or something. But I didn't actually get life is difficult until much later and it didn't have anything to do with being a Kardashian or the king of the world or having everything in the world. It had to do with since we're alive, we're going to lose things.

54:44And we start in losing from the beginning. It starts to be demanded of us to pull it together

54:55and get your body together. And I have five great-grandchildren now, And it is so cool to see the fifth generation of people are remarkable with their baby machines. They make another garment, and it looks like the prototype garment. It's really amazing. I remember James saying something that he got quoted. James Barris said something about when his son was born, like, you're on your own now. But, you know, he wasn't on his own. His mother and his father were taking care of him. And if we're fortunate, we're born into situations that take good care of us. If we're fortunate, we take good care of ourselves and the people we're taking care of.

55:46It's not that everybody is homeless or everybody is starving, but everybody is vulnerable, too. At any moment, could any of us get a phone call that say so-and-so was run over, so-and-so had a heart attack, so-and-so died? And that existential alarm, that it's all frail, it's all temporal, that really the Buddha's final words, presumably, was, were transient, are all created things. and the best translation of his last line after that, I think, is move into the future with confidence. There's another translation that says drive on with diligence. I didn't even want to say strive. Move into the future with confidence is good.

56:44When you hear all things are transient and you look around at the people you're living with now and you look at the people you've referenced repeatedly in this conversation who have died and you think about how none of us is exempt, does that bring up any fear for you of death personally? I don't think so. I think I'm old enough. I mean, I hope I don't die all of a sudden with nobody around. I want to die with somebody holding my hand, preferably one of my family. But I can arrange that unless I'm sitting in the dentist's chair with somebody else. And then I will know about it. It won't matter.

57:28But if I can organize it, I'll be with my family and they'll hold my hand. But I'm not afraid of being dead. I remember when my father was dying, he said, I could just hear him saying when I just said that, he said, I'm not afraid of being dead, he said, but I'm just afraid of the minute that dying is happening. I think it'll be terrible, and I'm afraid of that. And I said to him, nah, I don't think so. I think you'll probably be in a coma, and you won't even know about it, because you'll be already in a coma, and then you'll just die, and you won't know about what's happening. And he thought about that and he said, yeah, I think you're right Turn on the television, we'll watch the ball game That was it I was talking to our mutual friend, Joseph Goldstein recently The great meditation teacher We were just talking about what we think maybe our respective final moments will be like And one of us came up with the phrase We want to go out in a haze of glory Meaning, you know, let's be kept comfortable And if that means opiates, if that means whatever they need to give you, let's be kept comfortable.

58:40And hold hands. That's part of being kept comfortable, in my opinion. There's research to show that holding hands with somebody you love reduces the subjective experience. Yeah? Of the die-ee or the die - Of anybody, whether you're dying or not. The way that the studies were done, I think, were they were actually just delivering mild electric shocks or something like that to people. And they found that the people who were holding somebody's hand found those shocks or whatever infliction of mild pain was being inflicted less severe. There's a book called, doesn't matter, Cutting for a Stone. Anyway, the book is about intensive care units.

59:25Paramedics go out and pick up people in a terrible shape that have been in an accident. And the first thing you say to a person is you touch them and you say, you're going to be all right. and it's not a lie because if they die they're going to be alright and if they don't die and they get saved they'll be alright but if the person gets reassured you're going to be alright then you don't have to do anything that's why if you get to talk to people who are in a bed right there and dying you say you did a good job you don't have to do anything else now's your chance I'm laughing because when I was doing that with my father, he spent some days in a coma trying to die, and he didn't die.

1:00:14And every once in a while, he'd wake up suddenly, and he'd be breathing that kind of agitated breath that people do before they die. And I'd say, this is it, Dan. Now is your time. You did a great job. Everybody loved you. You did a wonderful job. You don't have to do anything. And then he'd go back to sleep, in his coma and another four or five hours would go by and sit and then he do it wake up and start the breathing again i say this is it dad now's your time finally um he's gets up and he's doing that stuff and i get up and i start and this is it dad and he opens his eyes and he looks at me and he says you know it's not that big of a deal so that's it this is like the seinfeld version of the end of life.

1:01:04That's it. That big of a deal. And also just the absurdity of having to give the speech over and over. The first time it's really meaningful, but by the third time. So for you, again, you don't, even as you've been surrounded by people passing away, you don't experience terror at the thought of the end, whatever that means. I have a fear that something will happen, or I don't have a fear that's active, but what I really don't want to have happen is any of my progeny or their progeny should die before me. I get to go first.

1:01:45Otherwise, it would be too hard for me and for any of my children. I actually know in my right mind that whatever happens, you deal with it. You can't change it. But maybe I feel like if I just say it out into the world, then the cosmos listens to me and that I really have some power over it, which I know I have nothing. Meaning if you say it aloud, it somehow forestalls the eventuality? No, if I say enough, I don't think there's anything that I can say, arrange my death this way or the other way. I don't think there's anybody listening to what I have to say about that. But if there was, I would say, if there were, I would say, I go first.

1:02:35That's my thing. Because I don't want to deal, God forbid, with the pain of my children were they to lose somebody. I don't want to do that. If you could go back at age 90 and talk to Sylvia at, say, 40 or at some point in midlife, what advice would you give? That's a really interesting question, Dan, because one of the things I feel like my life in a certain way has been blessed, not in some magical way. But at different points, people have said, why don't you try this, Sylvia? And I said, okay, I'll do that. And someone else would say, why don't you try this? I said, okay. I tried a few things that I didn't like.

1:03:21They just weren't my thing. Different meditative paths. I've been a psychotherapist. I watched my interactions with people. I got trained as a psychotherapist. It's not formulaic, you know, psychotherapy. You really can't teach people. I mean, nowadays you can tell people about pharmacology and there are a lot of things that people do, which I certainly don't have any problem with people doing. I really discovered that I like sitting with people and talking to them about their inner experience and encouraging them to keep on. So there wasn't some sort of preventable, avoidable suffering you were doing at midlife that if you could go back now, you'd be able to turn the volume down on?

1:04:14I don't feel like I had a suffering life. I really had such good luck. I met my husband when I was just before my 16th birthday. And I married him just before my 18th birth, 19th birthday. I stayed married to him for 66 years until he died. and we liked each other. That was very good luck. There's somebody, some Dharma teacher about whom they said, I don't know if it was Maureen Stewart or who it was, but she was dying and they said, do you have any last words? And she said, and I think it was Maureen Stewart, but I'm not sure. Thank you very much, I have no complaints. That's really good, isn't it?

1:05:04Yes. Thank you very much. I have no complaints. I think I've had a very lucky life. I worried more when I was a child. My mother was sickly. She had chronic heart failure from childhood rheumatic fever. And she died when she was 47. And I was 23. and that had been at that point the worst thing that I didn't want to have happen to me because I loved her and I worried more than I let on about being worried because I didn't want my parents to think that I was worrying but I think we all worried about her but really she was a great person. Maybe I'll tell you, we must be finishing our time. I'm going to tell you one more story because we're ending talking about my mother and her untimely death.

1:06:06My mother died when she was 47. I was 23. And she had been sick all those years, but they weren't thinking that who was going to die right then. And I was in Fort Sam Houston in Texas with my husband in his basic training to go into the Army to do compulsory Army service. We had just driven from San Francisco to Fort Sam Houston with two babies in the car. And we got to where we were staying. and we found a motel and stayed overnight. And early in the morning, the phone rang and I answered it and a man's voice said, is this Sylvia, not my father? And I said, yeah. And he said, give the phone to Seymour.

1:07:01So I knew he was going to tell him some terrible news on my mother. So I hand the phone over and they talk and they hang it up and he said, your mother died last night. And here we were, we were exhausted. We'd just driven all the way from San Francisco to Fort Sam Houston. Now we've got these two babies and this news. And the funeral, as is the case always with Jews, you have to bury the next day. So we bundled them all up. We got tickets. I have no recollection of doing that. But we got on a plane and we flew to New York and we stayed overnight. And the following morning, I was getting dressed to go to the funeral with my mother's sister, Miriam.

1:07:48We were standing in my mother's former bedroom and getting dressed to go to the funeral. And I said, Miriam, I'm just thinking about putting on lipstick. Do people wear lipstick to a funeral? And she said, I don't know. She said, it's too bad Gladys isn't here. She would know. And it was so funny because it was really too bad that Gladie wasn't there, but not as a cosmetic consultant. You know, it was just too bad that Gladie wasn't there. It says, too bad Gladie's not here. She would know. And I laughed in that moment, and I realized that in the middle of my really very extreme grief, I had laughed.

1:08:38and I knew in the back of my mind that I was going to be all right because I laughed in the middle of this most terrible moment in my life so far that it happened to me. That that moment, it all happened. She said, I laughed and I realized I'm going to be all right. That seems to be the through line of this conversation. It's what you say to somebody if you're a paramedic. It's what you say to yourself when you're experiencing ill will. it's what you experienced in that moment of grief you're gonna be all right we're all gonna be all right we're gonna be just how we are we can't be another way i'm so much more charitable about when i think about the people i really don't like because they can't be another way they can't be another way they are unfortunately the way they are an old friend of mine said i never say when someone says to me, how are you, Gwen?

1:09:35She said, I never say I'm fine. I say I couldn't be better because I couldn't be. But none of us can. That might be the best thing I taught this whole time.

1:09:49This is it. Don't you think? I think it's the best thing you've taught the whole time, or do I agree with the point? Agree with the point. I definitely agree with the point. Okay. I don't know if I could rank your teachings. I think they've all been great. Thank you. Thank you. This is awesome. I'm so glad I and my team and I were able to talk you into taking time out of your vacation here on the East Coast to spend some time with me and by extension, my listeners and viewers really appreciate it. I'm really happy to do it and I love doing it. You know that. Right back at you. Sylvia, thank you again.

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