Family: ‘My Mother’s Daughter’ And Uncovering Long Buried Family Stories

31 Aug 2026 · 44 min · 18 chapters

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In short

The episode explores how families pass down secrets and how DNA testing can reconnect long-separated relatives. It centers on Tracy Clark Flory’s book, My Mother’s Daughter, about her mother being sent to a home for unwed mothers in the 1960s, and on the black roots of country music discussed at the start.

Guest backgrounds

Tracy Clark Flory is a journalist and essayist; her mother was sent away in 1965 after becoming pregnant as a college student. Kathy Monroe is Tracy’s biological sister; she learned she was adopted around age 13 and was raised in a white family.

Key claims

Homes for unwed mothers were part of a racist, sexist system designed to reinforce marriage and the white nuclear family; adoption was often coerced. Tracy’s DNA test (ordered after her mother died) connected her to Kathy within hours.

Notable examples

Tracy’s mother placed a baby for adoption; Tracy and Kathy compare physical and behavioral similarities; the episode also cites statistics (1.5 million women sent away pre-Roe; 3 million adoptions 1950–1975) and parallels to post-Dobbs maternity homes.

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Exploring Family Secrets

0:31 to 2:28

Discussion on the impact of family secrets and the longing for connection.

“When parents choose to share with children about their pasts and when, can shape generations to come in powerful, profound, and unexpected ways.”

Tracy's Journey and Family History

2:32 to 10:24

Tracy Clark Flory shares her experiences with her mother's past and the impact of a DNA test.

“Price and coverage match limited by state law.”

Modern Maternity Homes and Family Secrets

11:28 to 14:01

Discussion on the rise of maternity homes and the historical context of unwed mothers.

“Hi, it's Terry Gross, host of Fresh Air.”

The Rise of Maternity Homes

14:01 to 15:45

Explore the growth and implications of maternity homes in the U.S.

“has seen a rise in so-called maternity homes and crisis pregnancy centers.”

Personal Stories of Adoption

15:46 to 17:08

Hear personal narratives highlighting women's experiences with adoption.

“given what you learned about your mother's story?”

Generational Perspectives on Motherhood

17:09 to 19:17

Discuss the generational impact of societal views on motherhood and sexuality.

“Kim emailed, My mother became pregnant in 1957 at age 15.”

The Search for Sisterhood

19:18 to 21:04

Delve into the emotional journey of searching for a lost sibling.

“the 2000s, I really sort of believed that the sexual revolution had been fought and won.”

The Day of Discovery

21:05 to 23:20

Experience the intense emotions of discovering a long-lost sister.

“So about 10 years after your mother died, You order this DNA test.”

Kathy's Perspective on Reunion

23:21 to 24:27

Listen to Kathy share her feelings on connecting with her sister Tracy.

“What was a joke turned out to be quite shocking for my mother, whose sense of family relationships had to be re-examined.”

Growing Up Adopted

24:28 to 28:00

Kathy recounts her experiences and feelings about being adopted.

“And I kind of got to the point where I thought, you know, I'm probably not going to find anyone.”
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Growing Up Adopted and Identity Formation

28:00 to 29:12

Hear about the experience of growing up as an adopted child and the lessons learned about identity.

“But my parents were actually more the age of probably what my grandparents would have been.”

Listener Stories of Reunion and Discovery

29:40 to 31:32

Discover personal stories from listeners about connecting with biological families.

“Let's get back to the conversation with this message we got from Suzette in North Carolina.”

The Anticipation of Meeting a Sister

31:32 to 35:55

Explore the emotional journey of meeting a long-lost sister for the first time.

“Kathy, Tracy flew to Atlanta to meet you in person for the first time.”

Navigating Race and Identity

35:55 to 39:44

Understand the complexities of race in the context of family stories and personal identity.

“that runs throughout the books, throughout the book rather, about race in that, Kathy, you're a biracial woman.”

Finding Familiarity in Strange Faces

39:44 to 42:04

Hear about the surprising traits and similarities found between biological siblings.

“Susan in New York emailed, my husband helped a friend who is a trans man identify and contact his birth mother.”

Discovering Family Resemblance

42:04 to 43:18

Exploring the emotional impact of seeing physical similarities in family members.

“So when I met Tracy, it was the same thing.”

Understanding a Mother's Struggle

43:18 to 44:49

Kathy shares her emotional journey reading Tracy's manuscript about their mother.

“So part of this experience for both of you was about getting to know each other.”

Listener Connections to the Story

44:49 to 45:50

A listener shares their own mother's trauma and parallels with the author's story.

“It hurt me for her, you know, to know that that she struggled with this.”
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0:00Country singer and rapper Shibuzzi wants us to remember our history accurately. A cowboy image, you know, we tend to think that was just a white man, you know, on a horse with a cowboy hat. But, you know, one in every four cowboys were black. On the Sunday Story from Up First, Shibuzi talks about his latest album and the black roots of country music. Listen to the Sunday Story in the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:31This is 1A. I'm Jen White. When parents choose to share with children about their pasts and when, can shape generations to come in powerful, profound, and unexpected ways. We've been hearing from you about buried pasts that have a way of lingering long after the fact. Charles in Tulsa, Oklahoma, growing up the only brother in a sibling pack of five other sisters, had a longing to have a brother relationship. Then one day in my 30s, my father revealed that as an 18-year-old, he'd actually impregnated this high school sweetheart but was never able to follow up with her because he was then being stationed and deployed in Vietnam.

1:11Later in life, he was told that this son was not born viable and died a week after childbirth. And when he disclosed that, it really filled in a kind of genetic longing that I felt I'd always had. It gave a revelation to my father that showed him more as a fully formed person who had to make tough choices and gave me a better glimpse of who that man was that raised me. Thanks for that message. For one family, a past that had been buried for decades finally came to light after a DNA test connected two long-separated sisters. Their mother placed the eldest for adoption after staying at a home for unwed mothers in the 1960s.

1:5050 years plus later, her daughters found each other as adults. I'm Jen White. You're listening to the 1A Podcast. Today, both of those women are here to share their stories. That's after this.

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2:39Seriously. Oh, that's a great question. I think I want to think about that question for the rest of my life. Oh, good question. This is Tanya Mosley, co-host of Fresh Air, and the questions are only the half of it. Listen to Fresh Air on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's start the conversation with Tracy Clark Flory, joining us from the Bay Area. She's the author of the book, My Mother's Daughter, Finding Myself and My Family's Fractured Past. Her first book is Want Me, a sex writer's journey into the heart of desire. Tracy, welcome to 1A. Thank you so much for having me. Tracy, you were 16 when your mother told you that you have a sister.

3:22Tell us about that moment. Yeah, she sat me down one day at the kitchen table, and she said, I have something to tell you. It's serious. And then I watched the color drain from her face. And she said, when I was a teenager, I had sex and I got pregnant. My father sent me away to a home for unwed mothers, and I placed the baby, a girl, for adoption. And I'd been raised as an only child up until that point, and an only child who often begged for a sister. So here I was finding that I actually did have a sister who was out there somewhere, and that she was almost 20 years older than me. And then my mom told me that my sister was black.

4:06She told me that the father of her baby was a Nigerian man that she'd met at college. She told me just a few sparse details. And she asked me if I had any questions for her. And I remember asking, do you ever wonder about her? And she just said in this gush of a whisper, I think about her every day of my life. And then we barely spoke of it again. And I could tell that it caused her a lot of pain. And so while I was filled with questions, I didn't understand what a home for unwed mothers was really. The conversation sort of ended there. Yeah. You heard in that voicemail message we received about a genetic longing.

4:54and you write about laying in bed as a child, holding your breath, trying to hear what you called your secret sister down the hall. You had this sense of someone or something that was missing from your life. Where do you think that came from? I mean, I love that caller's story so much and it resonates completely for me. For me, it was a combination of, I would notice little hints, little clues. Like when I begged for a sister growing up, I have this one very clear memory of riding in the car with my parents, my dad driving, my mom in the seat in front of me. And I'm saying, I want a sister. Why can't I have a sister?

5:38And I noticed the way that the car fell silent. And I couldn't see my mom's face, but I could see my dad glancing over at her. And I could just tell from his expression that my question had done something to my mom. And so while they gave me an explanation for why, you know, why I couldn't have a sibling, I could tell there was something there. There was the sense of a secret, something beyond what I was being told. But I do think there was something a little bit beyond, right? You know, this idea, I concocted the story of a secret sister that my parents were keeping from me down the hall in our house.

6:18And this idea of sort of holding my breath and trying to hear her, it really does to me suggest some sense of intuition of sensing her almost. Well, part of the story is about better understanding these homes for unwed mothers. You said your grandfather sent your mother to one of them in 1965. She was a young college student. What did you learn about these places? Yeah, I learned that my mom was one of 1.5 million women who were sent away to these homes in the pre-Rowe era. There were 3 million women who placed their babies for adoption between 1950 and 1975. And the idea was that they would be hidden behind the walls of these homes as soon as they started to show in their pregnancies and lives would be told to neighbors and friends and family members about where they were, they would stay there until they could give birth and place their babies for adoption, typically with married couples who were often struggling with infertility.

7:30And what I learned very quickly as I started looking into it was that my mom had been pulled into this racist and sexist system that was really designed to reinforce marriage and the white nuclear family norm. Most of the women who were sent away were white because it was seen as a way for them to be redeemed. They were seen as having fallen from their pedestals, and this was a way to return them to their pedestals, to return them to marriage, to give them a second shot at becoming proper women and wives and mothers. Black women who got pregnant outside of marriage at that time were not expected to go to these homes, in part because of racist stereotypes about black women's hypersexuality that were seen as ruling out the possibility of redemption.

8:24and so it really was about returning these mostly white young women to the marriage market. It was both a way to punish their premarital sexuality and a way to return them to their white privilege too and these adoptions were coerced and sometimes even forced. There was a lot of brainwashing that happened. And the majority of women who went into these homes ended up placing their babies for adoption. And so what I'd previously understood as my mom's difficult choice, I kind of saw it as that she'd been in a difficult predicament as a young woman who got pregnant in the 60s. I came to understand as not a choice at all, that there was so much coercion that she actually wasn't given any real options.

9:18and so my understanding was just completely turned upside down. Your mother died after being diagnosed with terminal lung cancer when you were in your late 20s and you describe her in your writing as someone who was at once very present in your life but also had a part of herself that was unavailable to you and better understanding her experience how did that recast the way you understood her oh completely you know I think that as a kid I'd grown up noticing that distance because she could be so completely connected and and you know um very doting and very concerned um and but there would be moments where she kind of it was like as though she secreted part of herself away and I have these core memories from childhood of like you know being in a happy moment with my dad where we're like you know throwing the frisbee on the front lawn and and I'm in this state of bliss and and looking over at my mom and and seeing that she has this sort of look of almost ironic detachment that there's this way in which she can't fully join us in these happy family scenes and as a kid I didn't know how to make sense of that.

10:39But as I started to reflect, I understood her as someone who had been traumatized by being sent away. Coming up, Tracy ordered a DNA test years after her mother died, not knowing what she'd find. And within hours, she was on the phone with a sister who had no idea Tracy existed. We meet Tracy's sister ahead.

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12:17Let's get back into the conversation and hear from some of you about the discoveries that expanded your understanding of your family's past. My name is Gloria. I found out two years ago that my father was not my father. and I felt unmoored. David in Virginia Beach. When my aunt was 94, she told me my grandmother and grandfather ran away to be married. My grandfather was Jewish. My grandmother was Catholic. Both of their parents said, heck no. Dave from Oxford. My wife and I have just finished writing a book about her great-grandfather, who we discovered in the last five or six years was a murderer and a thief and ran a brothel in Des Moines.

13:02Thanks for those calls. And here's PJ in Jordan, Minnesota, whose sister discovered unknown cousins after doing a DNA test. We asked my mom what was happening, and she said that my father had had mumps as a child and was completely infertile. So in the 50s and early 60s, they really wanted children of family, so they went with donors. and no one knew, not even her own mother. And it doesn't matter to me really at all. If you've uncovered or researched a family secret, tell us about it. Does the discovery matter to you? Email us at 1a at wamu.org. Tracy, your grandfather sent your mother to a home for unwed mothers.

13:49These are places that largely closed after Roe v. Wade legalized abortion in the U.S. in 1973. But the 2022 Dobbs decision reversing it came down while you were researching this book. And since then, the U.S. has seen a rise in so-called maternity homes and crisis pregnancy centers. And these centers are often affiliated with religious organizations. They are anti-abortion and often advocate for people to place their babies for adoption. Well, last year, the podcast Liberty Lost from Wondery took an inside look at Liberty Godparent Home. It's in Lynchburg, Virginia, on the campus of Liberty University, an evangelical school founded by conservative activist and pastor Jerry Falwell.

14:26Last year, we spoke to the journalist behind the podcast, TJ Raphael. There are now nearly 500 maternity homes across the United States. They're in 48 states. And I think in the past, we often thought about, you know, pregnant teenage girls going to maternity homes. But nowadays, it's really a myriad. It's, you know, adult women in their 20s and 30s who are going to maternity homes. And the reason why pregnant women turn to maternity homes is because they don't have access to a stable partner or co-parent. It could be because of a domestic violence situation or their partner is just out of the picture.

15:07Maybe the safety net they had suddenly disappeared. They lack support from their families. It's kind of like your whole life is falling apart, but you're also pregnant. And so, you know, that kind of instability and financial pressure can lead someone to consider a maternity home. And once they're there, they can often feel stuck and feel obligated to surrender their baby for adoption, especially if while they're living at this facility, they continually get the message that adoption is the best option for their child, that their baby deserves a two-parent household, and, you know, it's not right for them to be a single mom.

15:44Um, Tracy, considering that maternity homes exist today, how, what does that mean to you, given what you learned about your mother's story? Yeah. I mean, it was really, the timing was uncanny, really, um, as immediately after just mere weeks after I found my sister and started diving into this research, the Dobbs decision came down. And I had been feeling like I was kind of traveling back in time as I was doing this research. And then suddenly it felt like we were all traveling back in time with that decision. And so it was very uncanny to me. It made this story feel so unfortunately relevant to our current times.

16:36And there are so many parallels to be drawn. I mean, just in the sound clip that we heard about women who are internalizing this idea that adoption is the best choice, the only choice, you know, women in this pre-Roe era were often sat down and were told things like, write a list of what you can offer this baby. Now write a list of what a married couple can offer this baby. And so there was a profound amount of brainwashing that was happening. and clearly we have not escaped that. Kim emailed, My mother became pregnant in 1957 at age 15. She spent her pregnancy in a home for unwed mothers. The baby was taken from her for adoption.

17:21She was coerced into marrying the father because she was quote-unquote ruined for anyone else. She had to drop out of school. My father just went about his business. Every year on that baby's birthday, she would bake him a birthday cake and cry. My father would beat her for crying. When you think about your mother's story and in both the current context and the context of the time she was a teen in, what bigger story about women and sex and motherhood and society do you see when you think about it through that lens? Yeah. I mean, I certainly see the control of women's sexuality, the punishment of women's sexuality, the attempt to reroute women into marriage, right?

18:10You know, I had spent so much of my career as a journalist writing about sex, writing about sex workers' rights. And, you know, I come to find in my research that these homes initially in their earliest days were actually started as an attempt to, quote unquote, rescue sex workers. And so I certainly found this connection between my mom's past and my career as a journalist covering this subject matter. But I also saw this connection between her being sent away in shame and my attempt as a young woman in this world to kind of claim my sexuality, I wanted to prove that I could not be punished in the way that she had, that I wouldn't suffer in the ways that she had.

19:06And so I definitely see this generational connection between, I think I thought that times had changed more than they actually had. That as a young woman coming up in the 90s and the 2000s, I really sort of believed that the sexual revolution had been fought and won. And I saw the way that my mom really worried for me as this young woman going out into the world and, you know, writing about these topics on the internet. I think she understood that the world had not changed as much as I wanted to believe that it had. You write about the period after your mother died when you considered hiring a private detective to find your sister.

19:48And then you decided against it? Why did she hesitate? Yeah, well, my mom had mentioned to me that she knew that people hired private detectives, but she was very clear that she did not want to interrupt her daughter's life. She felt it was not her right. And so I think I internalized that sense that it would be wrong to interrupt her life. So I hesitated. I also hesitated because I really had this renewed desire to find my sister after my mom died. And I didn't want to go out in search of my sister out of my own sense of grief over the mother that my sister never got to know. And so I held off.

20:36It just didn't quite feel right. And for a while there, consumer DNA testing was not really available. And even once it did become available, I really resisted it because I had privacy concerns. And it was really only that I got to a point where a friend told me about a family secret that had been revealed through a DNA test, that it really clicked that this could be the way to finally find my sister. And so I ordered a test right then and there. So about 10 years after your mother died, You order this DNA test. And then within hours of getting your results, you're on the phone with your sister.

21:22Walk us through that day because that's a lot to happen in the space of a day. It's a lot. It's a lot to go decades, right, with so much mystery and secrecy and unknowns. And then to, you know, I was like riding in the car with my family and I was just, you know, idly checking my email and I saw that my DNA results were in. I clicked immediately and this woman named Kathy was my number one top genetic match. This total stranger who I nonetheless felt like I immediately recognized. And I hammered out a message to her immediately. I overthink everything. But in that moment, I really felt like the decades of secrecy and silence and unknowns and longing.

22:15And it just felt like I couldn't hit send fast enough. And then, yeah, within hours, she was calling me and we were on the phone. And this mystery was suddenly unspooling at a very, very fast rate. When the phone rang, I would imagine you see this number come up on your phone. What was your physical reaction? So beyond the emotional reaction, I would imagine there was a physical reaction as well. Oh, yeah. I mean, there was just this warm wash of heat. You know, my mom had told me early on that she had listed herself on an adoption registry, and she'd listed our home phone on there. and that was during that first conversation that we had about my sister and I realized looking back that I was waiting for that phone to ring ever since but it never did and so then to have my own phone ring and to know finally and to know it was my sister it was unbelievable it was just like here we finally are all these decades later Allison emailed we used to tease our granny that she was a little Italian grandma, and then DNA testing, initially just for fun, revealed that her mother had an affair with the Italian grocer she worked for.

23:37What was a joke turned out to be quite shocking for my mother, whose sense of family relationships had to be re-examined. However, we are thrilled to have a little bit of spice and sass in our very British ancestry, and it explains our abiding love of pasta. And another of you emailed, via DNA, I learned at the age of 74 that the man I grew up with as my father and the man I was named after was actually not my father, nor was he the father of my two younger sisters. We are all half siblings. Now let's bring in another voice now. Kathy Monroe is Tracy's sister, the sister at the center of this story.

24:12She joins us from Atlanta. Kathy, welcome to 1A. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. So we just heard Tracy describe the day when she found out about you. What was that day like for you? Surreal. So I had submitted my test, and it had been a few months. And I kind of got to the point where I thought, you know, I'm probably not going to find anyone. You know, there won't be a connection. And I just happened to check my Gmail account, and I saw an email. you know, and I responded right away. I saw that it was a potential half-sister. I was very excited and I just picked up the phone. Didn't even think about it.

24:58Picked up the phone and after reading her message, it became clear to me that she desired to have the connection. So, I just picked up the phone and called. How much did you know about your birth parents when you were growing up? Not a lot. Not a lot, but it did turn out to be fairly accurate. So what I had been told was that my mother was a white college student and that my father was an African exchange student. And because of that dynamic that she was either forced or decided to give me up for adoption. And that was literally pretty much all I had been told. But your adoption wasn't hidden from you.

25:52You learned about it at a fairly young age. How was that explained to you? And just explain a little bit about the family you grew up in. So actually, it was hidden from me. I didn't actually find out. Well, so I didn't find out I was adopted until I was about 13 years old. And it was under, it was not because my family sat down and told me. It was actually because I was a biracial child, which I didn't really even think about or realize at the time. But the neighborhood that I grew up in was predominantly black. And it was a result of kids teasing me or calling me names such as Zebra or Oreo Cookie.

26:42One day I just got sick of it. I went home and I'm like, I don't understand why people are calling me these names. And my mother said, you know, I've got something to tell you. And so that's when I was told about, you know, having a white mother, father being an African exchange student. And another thing I found out is that my birth name was Martha Jane Clark. And what was interesting about that is I was actually named Catherine after my adoptive mom's sister, who was my favorite aunt growing up. But her husband, my uncle, for as long as I could remember, and he was the only person in the family, called me Martha Jane.

27:30And I never understood why until that day because he actually always referenced me by my birth name. And tell us a little bit about your parents and the family you grew up in. So I actually grew up in a very loving home, especially for my mom. But they were older. And it's funny, I think back now, and I don't know why it didn't really dawn on me, but I think part of the reason was because I did have a happy, secure childhood, so I just didn't question it. But my parents were actually more the age of probably what my grandparents would have been. I grew up the youngest of four siblings. All of us were adopted.

28:17None of us biologically related. My mom made sure she worked very hard to ensure that I went to private school from kindergarten through high school. Had a very good childhood. She made sure, though, one thing that she was very adamant about is putting us, especially me, in situations where I had a lot of interaction with other white children. She always told me that she wanted to make sure that I felt comfortable in any situation that I would encounter in life. And she always would drill into my head. We all put our pants on one leg at a time. She didn't want me to feel inferior to or less than or uncomfortable in any circumstance.

29:11Well, we have to take another quick break, but we'll pick up Kathy and Tracy's story right after this.

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30:04And they were both adopted at birth, so we had no idea that they existed. So it's been a wonderful, wonderful thing for me. One sister and I just finished getting together at the beach for a weekend. And as a family, we all get together a lot. It's been just such an incredibly enriching experience for me. And here's another message one of you shared. My name's Elizabeth, and I live in Champaign, Illinois. I was adopted at birth in December of 1970. And in 2015, I did the test on AncestryDNA and allowed those results to be published on AncestryDNA. My biological family found me there and contacted me.

30:59I was able to meet them. It was surprising and wonderful. I have an incredible, incredible family. and never thought that I would search, really only did Ancestry DNA for my own curiosity and to share the results with my biological daughter. And it was unexpected and helped to close some circles and answer some questions that I didn't even know that I had. Thanks for those messages. Kathy, Tracy flew to Atlanta to meet you in person for the first time. What do you remember about that anticipation leading up to her arrival? Honestly, just pure excitement. From the moment that I connected with her on the phone, I mean, it just, honestly, to me, it was an ideal experience.

31:56Just, I think, for both of us. But I could tell how much, you know, she wanted a sister. and for me, I just was like a bundle of excitement, like literally waiting for her, for me to be able to just hug her and see her in person. Yeah, amazing experience. Tracy, what about for you? Oh gosh, I mean, it was such an incredible experience. I remember the flight there. you know feeling like both this sense of that I'm going to get my sister I'm you know who I've longed for my whole life even long before I knew that she actually existed but also this sense that I was going to get my mother's daughter you know there was there was this sense of doing it for myself and doing it for our mother who never got to meet Kathy so there was this kind of interesting sense of triangulation and this sense of our mother sort of being there, even though, unfortunately, she wasn't able to be.

33:06Kathy, it's interesting in reading the book, which is, of course, from Tracy's perspective, the ease with which you stepped into this role as Tracy's big sister was, it was beautiful, but also remarkable to me. You're like, oh, I got a little sister, let's go. So what do you, was that the truth of your experience? And if so, what made that transition so easy for you? Let's see. Well, it actually was very easy. And I think for a couple of reasons. I think one is, like I said, I grew up as the baby of the family, you know, so to actually have a little sister, I don't know, it just was exciting to me.

33:55I also think that because I, I think there was a part of me that because I knew that our mother was no longer alive, I think it, it was kind of almost a natural maternal instinct that, okay, I'm her big sister. Our mother's no longer here. I want to try to fill that void however I can. And so I think that that was part of it too. Plus, we always, my mom was a foster parent growing up. We always had, you know, babies in the house throughout my teenage years, you know, that we were always taken care of. And so I think it's just a natural maternal instinct in me that kind of translated into I almost want to just kind of take care of and love up on my baby sister.

34:51Hmm. Even now, when you say baby sister, I see this smile break out on your face, Tracy. And it indicates to me that hearing her call you that, it doesn't get old. No, it doesn't get old. I don't know if I'll ever get used to it. It's tremendous, you know, and I think that I guess my experience of our coming together has been that Kathy has been so much beyond, you know, anything I ever dreamed or even felt that I deserved or would expect in this kind of coming together. her. You know, she didn't even know that I existed. I had spent all these years longing for her, knowing about her existence.

35:37And, you know, when that DNA test result came in, she, you know, she was learning of me for the first time, but somehow she joined me so completely and so quickly in this project of building a relationship together as sisters. Well, there's this subtext that runs throughout the books, throughout the book rather, about race in that, Kathy, you're a biracial woman. Tracy, you trying to understand whether your grandfather knew your mother was pregnant with a biracial child, whether that was part of why she was sent away, and you grappling with not just the racial dynamics that surrounded these homes for unwed mothers, but these questions about the role race played in your mother's experience.

36:34And I'm curious where, first, Tracy, you've landed with that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I went talking to relatives, to my dad, trying to understand what my grandfather knew or didn't know. You know, my dad seemed to think that my mom never told her father any details about the pregnancy. But I could also tell that that was a more comfortable version of the story to live with. What would it mean to contemplate the idea that race was part of my grandfather sending our mom away? Ultimately, where I landed is that regardless of what he knew or didn't know, these homes, this entire system, race was essential to it because it was, you know, it was all about essentially returning white unwed mothers to marriage and to their privilege.

37:38And, you know, I can see the ways in which that functioned for our mom in that, you know, was sent away. She then was able to return to college to get a graduate degree. She was not, you know, disowned by her father, which allowed her to inherit many privileges from maintaining that relationship with him. And so, you know, I guess where I've landed is kind of reckoning with my own inheritance of that privilege as the daughter of, you know, the kept daughter of my mother. Kathy, what about you, especially when you think about your story in the context or the ways in which your mother prepared you to move through the world as a whole person who's very clear about the fact that she is equal to any and everybody?

38:41I have to say, probably more so as an adult than I really put thought into it, as a child or a teenager, I'm grateful for it. Because I can tell you that I've never struggled with that. I've never struggled with my identity. I've never struggled with moving in any circle, regardless of the race. I think it helped me. I think growing up that way and her doing that prepared me very well for my adult life and my career and my ease of interacting with and feeling comfortable around anyone. one. I think it has served me very well. Yeah, I do. I look back often now and when I think on it, my first word that comes to mind is grateful that she did that.

39:42I think it was very wise of her and helped prepare me well. Susan in New York emailed, my husband helped a friend who is a trans man identify and contact his birth mother. She had been sent to a home for unwed mothers. There are lots of ways this could have gone wrong, but in our friend's case, he was welcomed with open arms and open heart by all members of his birth family. Interestingly, one of the points of commonality is that our friend and his birth family share enthusiasm and aptitude for puns, a style of humor that is alien to his adopted family. Who could have imagined that a sense of humor has a genetic component?

40:17And Tamika emailed, Last summer, I looked at everyone at my father's funeral, and something didn't feel right. I didn't look like anyone. When the funeral was over, I ordered a DNA kit against my sister's advice. The test revealed who my father really was. I connected with some of my father's family. No one knew about me. It's now a year later, and there are still a lot of emotions I am working through. The single emotion that haunts me every day is the feeling of being unwanted. At the grown age of 51, it hurts. I'm curious what similarities the two of you have found in one another, similarities that perhaps connect to your mother.

40:58Tracy, I'll ask you first. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny. When we first met on that first trip to Atlanta, I remember that it was just the littlest things that we were observing, like the way that we both kind of would like dance in our seat after taking a bite of good food or the way that like we would cross our legs with like, you know, the one leg bisecting the other in this very particular way. And, you know, so these very like minor kind of inconsequential things that, you know, really kind of tap into that mystery of genetics of like, oh, isn't that interesting that we both have this particular inclination or way of being in the world.

41:44Kathy, what about you? I have to say the same thing, because especially when you grow up and, you know, once you have this awareness that, yeah, you don't look like anyone around you. That was one thing that was a big thing for me when I had my own children is, and I've shared this with Tracy, I was like, okay, for the first time, I feel like I can look in someone else's face and see myself. So when I met Tracy, it was the same thing. I could recognize, even though I'd be on the surface, people might say that we look completely different, but I could recognize myself in her, the smallest things, our eyebrows.

42:24Like she said, the way that we cross our legs, just little things. I looked at her son, my nephew, and I thought, wow, she looks very similar to my youngest son when he was a child. That first visit to Atlanta, I was taking a picture of my youngest son and Tracy, and I literally held my phone up, and I had to put it back down, and I said, wow, you two really look alike. It was amazing to me. So it's kind of cool, because like I said, when you are adopted and you grow up and you don't see yourself in anyone now to, you know, all these years later, decades to see someone and, you know, see yourself and in physical attributes and in little things, you know, how you throw your head back when you laugh, you know, things like that.

43:17It's a really big deal. It's really special. So part of this experience for both of you was about getting to know each other. But Kathy, you read Tracy's manuscript in one sitting, and I'm curious to know what it was like getting to know your mother through a book.

43:37Wow. It was honestly very emotional. I have to say, out of the whole experience of meeting Tracy, you know, and us talking and getting to know, her and my mom, I think it really hit home and sunk in when I got the manuscript kind of in the evening and literally stayed up all night into the next morning reading it. And I can tell you, it's like the dam broke open. There just were several, several just throughout the book moments where I literally broke down. And I think one of them was really realizing, you know, when you're adopted and you find out you're adopted, you know, you don't really know how your mother felt or your parents felt, you know, giving you up or, but to really, I think that's when it really sunk in, like the struggle that she went through, the emotional and kind of mental turmoil that she went through and kind of dealt with that that was a part of her entire, you know, life.

44:57It just it hurt. It hurt. It hurt me for her, you know, to know that that she struggled with this. Yeah. Well, your story is resonating with lots of our listeners. Crystal emailed, I am blown away by the similarities between the author's mother's story and my own. My mother fell in love and became pregnant in a small town in Ohio in the mid-1950s. The father was a black man. My grandfather had him arrested for rape, for which he served 20 years. My mother was forced into one of those homes for unwed mothers where she was forced to give up her daughter for adoption. This trauma set the tone for the rest of her life, and she never got past it.

45:36My mother passed away in 2008, but never stopped thinking about the daughter she never knew. In the years since, I have tried to track her down. I am riveted by the author's story and am thrilled at her reunion with her sister. I hope my search ends as well. We've been speaking to Tracy Clark Flory, a journalist, essayist, and co-host of the podcast, Dire Straits. Her new book is My Mother's Daughter, Finding Myself and My Family's Fractured Past. Also with us, Kathy Monroe, Tracy's sister, and a central part of that story. Thanks to you both. Today's producer was Avery Jessa Chapnick. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR.

46:15I'm Jen White. Thanks for listening, and we'll have more for you tomorrow. This is 1A.

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Between 1950 and 1975, an estimated 1.5 million women were sent to homes for unwed mothers across the United States. There, most were hidden away from their families and communities until they gave birth and placed their babies for adoption. Some of those adoptions were involuntary.

That type of experience is hard to forget. For one family, a past that had been buried for decades finally came to light after a DNA test connected two long-lost sisters. We hear from both of them, as part of the new book, “My Mother’s Daughter: Finding Myself in My Family’s Fractured Past.”

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