The Future Of Fertility In 2026

26 Feb 2026 · 44 min · 21 chapters

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Podcast Summary: The Future Of Fertility In 2026

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1A Description: The podcast delves into current events, aiming to provide clarity beyond the headlines.

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The Future Of Fertility In 2026 Description: A discussion on the declining fertility rates in the U.S., advancements in fertility treatments, and the impact of insurance policies on access to care.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Current State of Fertility Rates
  2. Declining Rates: The U.S. fertility rate reached a new low in 2024, with increasing numbers of women delaying childbirth or opting out entirely.
  3. Government Response: The Trump administration's push for a baby boom and efforts to make in vitro fertilization (IVF) more accessible, including the launch of the TrumpRx website.
  1. IVF Accessibility and Costs
  2. Cost of IVF: The average cumulative cost of IVF can reach $60,000, presenting a significant financial barrier for many.
  3. Insurance Coverage: Inequitable coverage for fertility treatments across states, with only 15 states mandating some form of insurance for infertility treatments.
  1. Emotional and Physical Toll of Treatment
  2. Stress and Emotional Strain: Fertility treatments can be compared to a cancer diagnosis in terms of emotional burden. Patients often face feelings of shame and guilt.
  3. Mental Health Integration: The importance of mental health support in fertility clinics, with calls for a multidisciplinary approach to care.
  1. Innovations in Fertility Treatments
  2. New Technologies: Discussion on advanced devices like OverReady that can enhance egg retrieval processes, potentially increasing the number of viable eggs collected.
  3. Embryo Testing: Innovations in genetic testing and embryo screening, including debates on the ethics of screening for traits like IQ and autism.

Expert Panel

  • Dr. Lucky Seacon: OBGYN and reproductive endocrinologist, author of *The Lucky Egg*. Discusses clinical practices and emotional implications of fertility treatments.
  • Sean Tipton: Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine. Provides insights on insurance policies and advocacy for coverage.
  • Elise Barnes: Embryologist specializing in genetics. Shares insights into the lab processes and decision-making in embryo viability.

Key Takeaways

  • Need for Policy Change: Advocacy for improved insurance coverage and access to fertility treatments is critical.
  • Patient Empowerment: Educating patients on their options and rights regarding treatments and costs is essential.
  • Emerging Research: Continuous research is paramount to improve the accessibility and success rates of fertility treatments.

Listener Engagement

  • Personal stories from listeners highlight the emotional journey of infertility, showcasing the importance of community support and mental health resources.

Conclusion The episode underscores the complexities surrounding fertility in the U.S., emphasizing the need for enhanced accessibility to treatments, informed decision-making, and the emotional well-being of individuals navigating fertility challenges.

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Current Fertility Landscape

0:11 to 1:58

Discuss the decline in fertility rates and the challenges faced by individuals.

“In 2024, fertility rates reached a new low.”

Trump Administration's IVF Promises

2:44 to 3:43

Explore President Trump's commitments regarding IVF treatment access.

“He's the Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.”

Accessing TrumpRx Medications

3:43 to 4:47

How Americans can access fertility medications through TrumpRx.

“Because we want more babies, to put it very nicely.”

Understanding IVF Costs

4:47 to 7:21

Discuss the high costs associated with IVF treatments and insurance issues.

“And, you know, then the way it works is you take the prescription, you go to the TrumpRx site, you see the pharmaceutical product you need.”

State Mandates for Insurance Coverage

7:21 to 8:27

Overview of state mandates for fertility treatment insurance coverage.

“and the employers who pay for them to somehow decide we're not going to cover this particular disease.”

Financial Planning for Fertility Treatments

8:27 to 10:35

How to navigate financial aspects of fertility treatments with insurance.

“Number one, it's not going to cover people who don't have insurance or who rely on, for example, most Medicaid plans don't cover anything.”

Types of Fertility Treatments Explained

10:35 to 11:43

Different approaches to fertility treatment, including IUI and IVF.

“Luckey, people use the term IVF to commonly refer to fertility treatment.”

Role of an Embryologist

11:43 to 14:00

Insights into what embryologists do in the fertility treatment process.

“Let's get back to our conversation and bring in a new voice.”

Embryo Culturing and Selection Process

14:00 to 17:09

Learn about the embryo culturing, grading, and selection for implantation.

“of the wall looking for those eggs in that follicular fluid.”

Changing Demographics in Fertility Patients

17:10 to 21:02

Discover the increasing trend of single women seeking fertility options.

“I want to talk a little bit more about egg freezing, but first we got this email from John who says, when my wife and I were in our late 30s, we began looking into infertility treatments.”
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Understanding Infertility Causes

21:03 to 22:45

Explore the various causes of infertility affecting couples today.

“It has allowed for less formation of ice crystals, which were damaging to egg cells.”

The Egg Freezing Process

22:46 to 25:33

Get insights into the egg freezing procedure and its implications.

“He's the Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.”

Personal Stories and Experiences

25:34 to 27:34

Hear personal stories about fertility challenges and successes.

“I am a registered dietitian and a licensed mental health therapist.”

Insulin Resistance and Fertility Connection

27:35 to 28:00

Learn how insulin resistance is linked to fertility issues.

“Today, we're discussing the journey of fertility treatments.”

Exploring the OverReady Device for IVF

28:00 to 29:40

Learn about the OverReady device and its potential impact on IVF egg retrieval.

“It's based on a study of a new device called OverReady that can sift through follicular fluid.”

Understanding IVF Lab Quality and Patient Choices

29:40 to 31:39

Discover how IVF lab quality affects patient outcomes and what to consider when choosing a clinic.

“which basically means it's like running them through a pinball machine.”

The Biological Clock: Fertility in Women vs. Men

31:39 to 35:06

Understand the differences in fertility timelines and challenges for both genders.

“We talk a lot about lab safety and lab success, but oftentimes patients are not considering those things when they're choosing a practice.”

Advancements in Genetic Testing for IVF

35:06 to 39:26

Learn about the latest genetic testing options available for IVF and their implications.

“So it's something that I do discuss with couples where the male partner is much older.”

Mental Health and Fertility Treatment

39:26 to 42:13

Explore the importance of mental health support in the fertility treatment journey.

“I think is an option that everyone should avail themselves of.”

Understanding Psychological Impact on Fertility

42:13 to 43:26

Learn about the emotional challenges people face during fertility treatments and the importance of mental health.

“It's something called premature dropout.”

Navigating Online Fertility Information

43:26 to 43:56

Discover tips on how to critically assess online information regarding fertility treatments.

“Lucky, what should people be aware of when they're researching treatments?”
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0:00Support for NPR and the following message come from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, investing in creative thinkers and problem solvers who help people, communities, and the planet flourish. More information is available at hewlett.org.

0:21Millions of people in the U.S. struggle with fertility. In 2024, fertility rates reached a new low. That's according to CDC data. Women are also waiting longer to have kids, while a growing number are deciding to opt out entirely. The Trump administration is pushing for a baby boom and promising to make in vitro fertilization or IVF treatments more accessible. Earlier this month, the administration's new prescription drug website, TrumpRx, went live. It offers several fertility medications, which President Trump says are being made available at a fraction of the cost. We're also delivering historic discounts for couples struggling with infertility as EMD Serrano will dramatically cut the cost of its most common IVF drugs.

1:07For example, a single dose of the most common IVF drug in the country, Gonal F, will plummet from the highest price in the developed world that we paid. The United States was subsidizing everybody. We paid the highest to the lowest price in the world. But fertility treatments continue to be prohibitively expensive for many. The average cost of a single IVF cycle can cost between$10 ,000 and$14 ,000 and can go up to$30 ,000 or more, with many paying a significant amount out of pocket. That's according to Forbes. Beyond the eye-popping price tag, the journey into fertility treatments can be emotionally taxing.

1:46It can also be confusing to navigate the many doctor's appointments and the endless medical jargon to figure out what's best for you. I'm Jen White. You're listening to the 1A Podcast. After this short break, we'll talk through the latest infertility treatments, debunk some fertility myths, and answer your questions. Stay with us.

2:09Support for NPR and the following message come from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, investing in creative thinkers and problem solvers who help people, communities, and the planet flourish. More information is available at Hewlett.org. Let's get into the conversation and meet our guests. Dr. Lucky Seacon joins us from the NPR studio in New York City. She's a double board certified OBGYN and reproductive endocrinologist at RMA of New York. And she's the author of the nationally bestselling book, The Lucky Egg. Dr. Lucky, thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. Also with us is Sean Tipton.

2:46He's the Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine. That's a nonprofit that works to advance care, infertility, and reproductive health through education, research, and advocacy. Sean, welcome to the program. Thank you. Happy to be here. So let's start with some recent news. Earlier this month, the TrumpRx site launched, as we said, with an emphasis on medication designed to address infertility. Four out of the 43 medications available on the website are for IVF treatment. The administration is pushing to make these treatments more accessible. But before winning a second term election, Trump actually promised to make IVF free.

3:21As part of our efforts to help working families, I'm announcing today in a major statement that under the Trump administration, your government will pay for or your insurance company will be mandated to pay for all costs associated with IVF treatment fertilization for women. IVF treatment. Because we want more babies, to put it very nicely. Sean, what has President Trump said and done about making IVF free? Well, he has said a lot and done only a bit. So as the clip you just paid indicated, he promised both during the campaign and in the early days of the administration that they would take steps to ensure that everybody in America had access to the infertility treatments they may need.

4:13What he has accomplished is a discount on a piece of it. So it is, you know, I don't want to take away from what will be some legitimate savings, but they're not extensive. So it is, you know, a 10 or 20 % savings on 10 or 20 % of the total cost. So it's something, but it is very, very far removed from the promises that he has made. And who's able to access these medications on the TrumpRx site? Well, as I understand it, any American can access the medications if you get a prescription from your physician that says you need these drugs. And, you know, then the way it works is you take the prescription, you go to the TrumpRx site, you see the pharmaceutical product you need.

4:56And essentially, they print you out sort of like a coupon that you can then take to take to your local drugstore if they're taking. And, you know, many pharmacy pharmacies have announced they're going to match the prices that are available on TrumpRx. You know, I think one of the challenges from a macro policy point of view is the pricing of pharmaceutical products, what consumers pay, what patients pay, is incredibly idiosyncratic. That is, you know, what you pay depends on do you have insurance? Does your insurance cover? Does it cover this specific medication? What dose do you need? So when people ask how much are these savings available for Trump Rx, it's almost an impossible question to answer broadly.

5:36It's going to depend on your specific circumstances. Dr. Lucky, what are you telling your patients about the new offerings through TrumpRx?

5:43Joshua Johnson:Well, I think it really can be advantageous, particularly for patients that don't have insurance coverage for medications. I think, you know, if you're paying out of pocket, there can be significant savings. It's not going to cover all of the medications that we use for various treatments. But there are three key medications that are often used as part of ovarian stimulation before an egg retrieval, whether you're freezing eggs or doing IVF. and there can be upwards of 60 % to 80 % reduction in price if you're paying out of pocket. But some people have insurance coverage, in which case this isn't going to be much of an advantage anyway.

6:18Joshua Johnson:And there are also external discount programs that you may be eligible for. So I think it's really about kind of price shopping or comparing and really understanding what your situation is to understand if it's an advantage and something that you should rely on. Well, we got this message from a member of our tax club. My daughter is 21 and has had issues since the start with her cycle. We are considering freezing her eggs for her future. I checked into it, and given the costs here in the U.S., we will try to have it done in Europe. She's a dual citizen. If low birth rates are such a concern, maybe more affordability would help.

6:53It's prohibitive for an average earner. Now, freeze.health is a website that helps women find prices for clinics around the world. And according to the site, a single cycle of egg freezing can cost$12 ,000 to$13 ,000 on average. And as we mentioned earlier, the cumulative cost for fertility treatment can reach into the tens of thousands of dollars. Sean, why is this treatment so expensive? Well, I think it's important to understand that medical treatments cost money. And one of the reasons IVF has this reputation as being expensive is because we have allowed the insurance industry and the employers who pay for them to somehow decide we're not going to cover this particular disease.

7:31We wouldn't allow them to say, you know what, I'm sorry to hear you broke your femur, but we're not going to cover that. But we let them do this for infertility. And I think it's immoral and unjust and the greed from these companies. And it shouldn't be allowed. And that's why we were so happy to hear candidate Trump and President Trump say he was going to address this with mandatory insurance. That has not happened. We're hoping it will. We think next month, we're going to see an introduction of a bipartisan bill in Congress to force insurance companies to do the right thing and actually cover people who have a disease.

8:03Well, at the beginning of January, many insurers in California must start covering fertility treatments, including IVF. So describe the landscape of state mandates for us, Sean, when it comes to insurance coverage for fertility treatments, because there are some states that require that coverage. Yeah, it's important. Yes, there are about 15 states who have some kind of mandatory insurance. However, it's important to understand that that doesn't cover everybody. Number one, it's not going to cover people who don't have insurance or who rely on, for example, most Medicaid plans don't cover anything.

8:36And there is a federal law that regulates large multi-state employers' insurance plans. Those are exempt from all these state mandates. And all the state mandates include an exemption for small employers, religious employers, et cetera. So the state mandates are important. That California mandate is going to bring tremendous increases in the availability of coverage for people in California, but it's not going to cover everybody yet. Dr. Lucky, what do you tell your patients about how to consider the financial costs of their fertility treatment journey? Because for some people, that journey is a long one.

9:14Joshua Johnson:Yes, and this is why I work in a multidisciplinary fashion. I have a team that specifically are experts in interpreting the fine print of an insurance policy. I have a financial coordinator where they're meeting with my patient after our consultation. And that way, the patient is really clear up front and understands the costs of the treatments that are being proposed in a transparent way. Sometimes certain policies will dictate the medicine, which is something we're seeing slowly going away, which is something I'm encouraged by. But it is a frustrating problem that when we're presenting patients with various treatment options, some plans may say, well, you have to do three or four rounds, maybe up to six rounds of this more laid back treatment option before we'll consider covering IVF.

10:09Joshua Johnson:and they'll have patients do things in a stepwise fashion, even if we as the doctor are really saying, no, this patient needs to go straight to IVF given their family building goals or their diagnosis. And we spend a lot of our time outside of clinical care talking directly with insurance companies and talking with their medical directors and trying to advocate for our patients and appeal their decision to deny treatment. Very briefly, Dr. Luckey, people use the term IVF to commonly refer to fertility treatment. But help us be a little bit more specific with our language. When we're talking about treatment to aid in pregnancy, what could fit under that umbrella?

10:47Joshua Johnson:So there's really two buckets of treatment when you think about various ways to try to overcome the many different causes of infertility. One of the biggest causes of infertility when patients come to us is what I like to call the inefficiency of human reproduction. We know that when you ovulate one egg, it's kind of a long shot. And it is possible to, before IVF, say, I'm going to just help you ovulate regularly. I'm going to boost your ovulation. So maybe you ovulate more than one egg. And we put sperm closer to where the eggs are being ovulated. That's called medicated IUI or intrauterine insemination.

11:21Joshua Johnson:It has a lower efficacy. It takes longer to get people pregnant. But it's a more laid back approach that's cheaper when considering out-of-pocket costs and comparing them to IVF. Well, let's pause for just a quick moment for a break. and then we'll talk about what's in that second bucket of treatment. And we'll also be joined by an embryologist to answer your questions about egg freezing, IVF, and more. That's just ahead.

11:48Let's get back to our conversation and bring in a new voice. Joining us from North Carolina is Elise Barnes. She's an embryologist with a background in genetics. Elise, welcome to the program. Hi, thank you for having me. Dr. Lucky, I want you to finish your thought about these two buckets of treatment for infertility. And you started with what you call the more laid-back approach, which includes intrauterine insemination. What's in that second bucket?

12:13Joshua Johnson:Yes. So medicated IUI is kind of like speed dating for your reproductive tract. More eggs, more sperm. You're hoping for a meeting to take place that's successful. IVF is akin to an arranged marriage. You're trying to control many more aspects to the process. So it starts with a egg retrieval cycle, and that's where you're taking shots, medications that mimic the natural signal your brain sends to your ovary to get you to mature and ovulate one egg, but at a higher level. So we're trying to capture a bunch of other eggs that happen to be available in that cycle. They're transient. They would be thrown away if you didn't remove them anyway.

12:47Joshua Johnson:And we're salvaging them, and we're removing them in a very minimally invasive procedure that takes 10 minutes or less under sedation. and we take the eggs outside the body and then we fertilize them outside the body. That's what in vitro fertilization means. We can turn them into embryos. We can grow them for up to a week. We can at that point transfer it into a woman's uterus. We can choose to freeze them and not transfer them until later. We can genetically test them at that point and then freeze the embryos and wait for the results to come back. And we do that by biopsying and removing a small part of the outer part of the embryo.

13:23Joshua Johnson:And then we put an embryo in the uterus, and you're basically bypassing if there's blockages in the fallopian tubes, if there's a low sperm count. It can be a very direct way to overcome very specific issues, but it's also very helpful, especially in older women where we know that there can be an accumulation of genetic errors in the embryos because we are able to screen those out and maximize the chance of an embryo implanting and lower the risk of miscarriage. Well, Elise, I want to turn to your work because many people may not be familiar with what an embryologist does. What does your work entail?

13:56Yeah, so some of the things that Dr. Seacon mentioned, you know, when they're performing that egg retrieval, we are the ones on the other side of the wall looking for those eggs in that follicular fluid. We are the ones culturing embryos out that entire week. We perform the embryo freezing, the embryo thaw, and the embryo biopsy that is then used for genetic testing. So we're doing a lot of the lab work behind the scenes in collaboration with providers. And what goes into the decision about whether an embryo is suitable for implantation, Elise? So we really want to see it reach a certain stage of development.

14:34We want to see it reach that blastocyst stage if we're doing a day five transfer. And then we're looking at the grade. So oftentimes we're grading embryos based on the different components. We're able to see which parts of the embryo will become the placenta and which parts will become the fetus. And we give those a grade based on visuals, but that's not the end-all be-all. It doesn't give us all the information we would need to say for sure whether an embryo is going to make a baby. So while we're doing the best that we can to choose the best embryo for transfer, it doesn't guarantee that that embryo will actually implant and create a healthy pregnancy.

15:12Dr. Lucky, according to reporting from Axios and data from the CDC, see more new moms are having kids alone in their 40s. And rates of unmarried women, 40 and over, have doubled since 2007. So how are you seeing the demographics of your patients shift?

15:28Joshua Johnson:Yes, I'm definitely seeing a lot more patients come in as single women and they say, you know, I've achieved the pinnacle of my career. I haven't found the person that I may want to settle down with, you know, on the relationship front. But I know I want to be a mother and I'm ready to have that conversation now. And I'm open to exploring doing so with donor sperm, whether it be a known donor, a friend, someone in their life that they want to have screened as a donor, or if they want to go through a sperm bank. And that is definitely something we're seeing a lot more of. I will say over the years, a higher proportion of my practice has become helping women freeze eggs or helping couples freeze embryos or single women freeze embryos using donor sperm.

16:13Joshua Johnson:You know, sometimes I joke with my team, my clinical team, like, does anyone want to get pregnant anymore? Because sometimes my entire schedule is filled with people that aren't really ready right now, but are wanting to plan for the future. And I think that's definitely a function of where I live, you know, where my office is located, and there's a lot of young professionals. But it is something that we're seeing a lot more of now because there is more comfort around the idea of egg freezing. The label calling it experimental was lifted by the ASRM in 2013. And since then, we've had many live births and our experience and our comfort level around this is improving.

16:54Joshua Johnson:And, you know, as it becomes more and more successful, which is also a function of people knowing about it and doing it at a younger age and therefore getting more eggs that tend to be healthier. I think, you know, there is going to be, I think the interest around this is just going to continue to grow. I want to talk a little bit more about egg freezing, but first we got this email from John who says, when my wife and I were in our late 30s, we began looking into infertility treatments. She went through several rounds of various treatments before the physical and emotional toll were too much.

17:24After a break and many conversations, we decided to adopt. We are in our early 40s now and have had almost two years with the thin four-year-old who found us. We couldn't be happier. We also got this from Ron in Dallas, who emails, IVF is an elective procedure and it is perfectly reasonable for insurance to decline to cover it. If it does, should insurance also cover any costs associated with adoption? Sean, I'd love your response to that. Often patients needing IVF are there because they're suffering from the disease of infertility, I have this naive view that health insurance is designed to cover people's health problems.

18:00So yes, you are not going to drop dead if you don't have a child, but I think there's no more basic human function than reproducing. And if you've got a disease that prevents that from happening, of course health insurance should provide for that. Well, and Dr. Lucky, just explain a bit more about some of the underlying causes for infertility, knowing that that varies from patient to patient?

18:24Joshua Johnson:Yes, there can be male factor, meaning problems with sperm quality, whether there's not enough sperm being produced or they can't swim in a forward direction. 50 % of couples with infertility have a male component to it. The other 50 % has a female component, and that can be stemming from problems with egg quality. This may be age-related because we all have a biological clock. There can be blockages in the fallopian tubes where there is no other option other than IVF to bypass those blockages. If there is a low sperm count, one of the ways we work around that is by fertilizing the eggs directly with one sperm cell at a time.

19:01Joshua Johnson:And then there are also people that have known genetic predispositions to miscarriages. These are called translocations in their chromosomes. Or maybe they carry a genetic disease that they want to stop. They want to stop the propagation of that into future generations. So there's many different reasons why people go through IVF, but those are some of the high-level causes. I also think PCOS and endometriosis are very common gynecologic disorders that are highly prevalent and underdiagnosed, and those are often a major component in our patients' infertility cases. So, Elise, when people turn to egg freezing, and again, this is something that's on the rise, walk us through that procedure.

19:42Yeah. So after stimulation, a week and a half or so of injectable hormonal medication, they're then put under anesthesia to have a physician remove the eggs from the ovary. And then they're sent to us in the lab. So then we're looking through that follicular fluid to find the eggs. We are then cleaning them up and preparing them for the egg freezing process. And then we actually walk them through a stepwise approach of different types of media. And then they are frozen rapidly in liquid nitrogen and can be stored in that liquid nitrogen basically for the foreseeable future. And Dr. Lucky, when you talk about egg freezing with a patient, what do you share with them about the length of time that those eggs can remain frozen but still viable?

20:34Joshua Johnson:Well, I tell them what the data shows, which is the duration of time that the eggs remain frozen and stored has no bearing on their ability to thaw successfully or turn into an embryo or to result in a pregnancy. There have been pregnancies from donated eggs that were frozen over 20 years ago. The technology has shifted. And in the past, you know, 10 to 15 years, we are using a much better approach called vitrification, which is flash freezing. It has allowed for less formation of ice crystals, which were damaging to egg cells. They're single cells and they're very fragile. And so that has really improved the survival rates and pregnancy rates.

21:18Joshua Johnson:But, you know, it's a great technology, but it's not perfect. And I think a huge part of the conversation I have with patients is not just describing the procedure and how it could potentially help them extend their window of opportunity to have children later down the line. And also the fact that their uterus doesn't age, right? So their ability to have an embryo implant isn't really as dependent on their age as, you know, the issue of egg quality is. But it's really important for them to realize that human reproduction is inefficient. And when you go through this high-tech process, no matter how much effort and expense goes into it, you're still working within the confines of this very inefficient system.

21:55Joshua Johnson:And not every egg is capable of thawing and turning into a healthy embryo. So it's important to talk about those numbers and give them a realistic outlook. And they need to be able to accept some of the unknowns that come along with the egg freezing process because it's inherent to this procedure. And, Sean, what does insurance coverage look like when it comes to egg freezing, but also the storage that has to take place once those eggs are retrieved? Insurance is very, very limited for gamete preservation, whether egg freezing or sperm freezing, for example, for men who undergo testicular cancer treatments.

22:30It's unfortunate. I mean, look, we are struggling to get appropriate coverage for people with a very clear disease of infertility. So I think getting this kind of coverage for gamete preservation or embryo preservation is going to take a while longer. Well, that's Sean Tipton. He's the Chief Advocacy and Policy Officer at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine. Sean, thanks for speaking with us. Happy to be here. Now let's go to a voicemail we got from one of you. Hi, my name is Chrissy. I live in Raleigh. I was diagnosed with breast cancer at age 33. And one of the first questions they asked me was if I wanted more children.

23:13and we knew we did and so before starting chemo I did the fertility treatments and was able to retrieve 15 viable eggs that we froze and ultimately used one of them to have our baby daughter and it has been such a joy to be able to experience having another baby after having such a difficult time with cancer. I'm so grateful that we were able to do that. We also heard from Robert in Tennessee who says, I was dealing with prostate cancer in 2025. My urologist suggested that prior to having the removal of surgery that causes a man to become sterile, I may want to freeze some sperm for future use.

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23:55So I did. Using the frozen storage seems like a pretty sensible option for men knowing that medical treatment will render them sterile. Elise, egg freezing is something you have personal experience with us. What was your journey like? It is. I froze my eggs back in October of 2024. And I am actually not single. I'm married. I've been married for five years now. But being in this field, you know that the clock is ticking. So I actually got some testing done because we weren't sure when we wanted to start our family and found out that my ovarian reserve is lower than it should be for my age. So after a lot of thought and chats with my husband, we decided that it would be best for us to have me consider freezing eggs.

24:37Embryo creation was not something that was a good fit for us at the time. So I decided to do just egg freezing. And I'm really glad I did, still considering another cycle. But that process was very different than my work as an embryologist. Seeing the other side of it, what patients go through, was very enlightening and only made me want to support patients more than I already do. What did you take away from that experience being on the other side of it? It was a lot. It was a lot. I remember getting my period after the cycle and thinking about how there are so many patients out there starting this process all over again.

25:14And I was just doing the one cycle. And I was like, this is a lot. This is a lot emotionally, physically, mentally, financially. And so it just really brought home why I do this and why I continue to support patients in the way that I do. It's a big undertaking for many. Let's go to this voicemail we got from Christina. Hi, my name is Christina Wright. I am a registered dietitian and a licensed mental health therapist. And I see many clients who have suffered with infertility. The common denominator is that they also suffer with insulin resistance. Once the insulin resistance is reversed, Many times they're able to conceive.

26:00I believe this is one of the common denominators with both male and female clients in this country. Insulin resistance has been linked to infertility, and we should note that women with polycystic ovarian syndrome, or PCOS, often have insulin resistance, and PCOS is one of the most common causes of infertility. Dr. Lucky, what more are we learning about how other parts or functions of our body connect to fertility?

26:28Joshua Johnson:Well, I love that we're bringing up insulin resistance because this is something I talk about multiple times a day with my patients. You know, we have developed a pattern of eating. We have developed our activity pattern in terms of like sedentary behavior. A lot of us work at desks, and we talk about movement being a form of medicine. And I think the way we live our lives is contributing to the rise in insulin resistance. There is a rise in obesity in this country and something that we really need to get a handle on because insulin resistance is basically a problem where your body is unable to respond to insulin effectively and properly store blood sugars.

27:14Joshua Johnson:And as a response to that, your body churns out more insulin. And that actually can have an effect on your ovaries, where your ovaries will start to overproduce testosterone. And it leads to an unhealthy metabolic imbalance that can actually affect egg quality. It can really influence whether someone is at a higher risk of miscarriage or not. So it's really something we need to be paying more attention to. Today, we're discussing the journey of fertility treatments. And still to come, more people are turning to IVF with nearly 100 ,000 yearly births thanks to this technology. We talk through what you need to know after this break.

27:53Let's get back to our conversation about what we know about fertility and fertility treatments today. Dr. Luckey, I want to turn to reporting out of the New York Times earlier this month. It's based on a study of a new device called OverReady that can sift through follicular fluid. And the device found additional eggs for more than half of the patients going through IVF. What are your thoughts about this technology? How promising is it?

28:16Joshua Johnson:So I think it's very interesting and exciting. We talk all the time about ways to make treatments like IVF more affordable and safer and more effective. And, you know, this is a device that was originally, they were setting out to try and automate the process of sorting through the fluid and extracting eggs. Because when we're going in and trying to extract eggs at time of egg retrieval, we're actually draining each of the bubbles of fluid that surround the egg. They're called follicles. And then we're handing those tubes of fluid off to the embryologist. And then they're searching through that fluid, which isn't necessarily clear and always easy to see through because there can be debris and clumps of tissue.

28:57Joshua Johnson:And they're very carefully sorting the eggs and extracting them. And I've spoken to the embryologists that I work with in our lab. And this is actually something that is probably the more labor-intensive thing to treat a new embryologist that's fresh out of their training on and to sign them off to say, you are proficient at this. Because it requires a lot of pattern recognition, repetition, and precision. And so they used this device. It was actually supposed to be used originally to remove the outer cells from the egg because that's a process required before the fertilization step. And they were kind of surprised to find that when they took the fluid after the embryologists in the programs that participated in the study, once they took the fluid away after the embryologists sorted the eggs out, they ran it through this device that's a microfluidic chamber, which basically means it's like running them through a pinball machine.

29:47Joshua Johnson:and they're bouncing off of the edges and the corners and going through these channels. And it's kind of like a sieve where you're sorting and they found additional eggs in that fluid that was actually designated to have already been searched and, you know, it was okay to be discarded. So they actually found in 54 % of cases, they did find additional eggs in that ready for discard fluid. And so it begs the question, you know, should we be using a device like this as the final check to make sure that we're getting as many eggs as possible because IVF is such a numbers game. And I keep talking about the inefficiency, but it's so true that you need a lot of eggs often to make healthy embryos.

30:25Joshua Johnson:And if you could add a few additional eggs in a given case that you otherwise could have missed, I mean, it could make a difference in outcomes. Now, this is very preliminary. I think it's interesting. And it could be something if it's studied independently by people that don't manufacture the device and there is verification of the safety and efficacy of this and that it's actually improving efficiency, this might be something that helps to raise the floor across laboratories. Because one thing that I do talk about in my book and with patients and I'm very transparent about is the fact that, yes, you have biological factors that dictate your chance of success.

31:03Joshua Johnson:But an uncomfortable truth is that a huge factor is also the quality of the IVF laboratory. And there are different success rates between different programs. And I think, you know, not every lab is the same. I think, you know, higher volume labs tend to be a bit better honed. And maybe, you know, the quality control is different in the laboratory environment. But I think it's also how the embryologists are trained and signed off on certain procedures. So I think standardization and finding ways to automate, reduce manpower, all of these are steps in a positive direction. But I do think we need more data.

31:38Alisa, I'm curious what you think people should know before choosing a fertility clinic. I'll echo Dr. Seacon. We talk a lot about lab safety and lab success, but oftentimes patients are not considering those things when they're choosing a practice. So as much as we have to have a high-quality physician, well-trained physician, we have to have the same in the lab. And it's very important to make sure that patients are considering that when they are choosing a practice if they have, you know, the opportunity to have an option, right? We know not everyone has that privilege. But to be asking those questions in your initial consultation, what are the lab statistics?

32:20How does that pair with other patients like me? Do you see patients like me? How often are you doing procedures? You know, what are the success rates? How are they trained? You know, what is the accreditation? All of those things are very important for patients to consider when choosing a practice. And it's often overlooked because many patients are choosing based on insurance coverage, which they may have to do, or physician. And so I put it out there that patients should be considering the lab as well. Well, we got this text from GT in Boise who says, as a 40-year veteran nurse, I know that many states don't have very good laws governing the doctors and practitioners who often overcharge for their procedures.

32:57My advice, do extensive research. Doctor certifications can be poorly regulated. Ask for cash discounts and know when fertilization odds are diminishing and when the odds of success are not worth pursuing additional attempts. Dr. Lucky, briefly, what do we need to know about the differences between men and women when it comes to fertile readiness and age? Yes.

33:21Joshua Johnson:So both women and men have a biological clock, but I always say they tick differently. For women, this is what's more well understood by society, right? Most women know by age 35 that They're told, you know, you have a biological clock, you should be thinking about this, but many don't really understand what that means. You're born with all the eggs you're ever going to have. You don't make or regenerate new eggs, and there aren't really repair mechanisms. So two things are changing as we age. The number of eggs we have available, which truthfully only really matters if you're going through an egg retrieval procedure, because that's when you're trying to access multiple eggs.

33:58Joshua Johnson:When you're ovulating, you only ovulate one egg per cycle, so the numbers aren't as big of a problem. I think the bigger issue when you're thinking about what truly affects our fertility is the ability to ovulate a healthy egg that has all of its DNA and will contribute the right amount of DNA to a resulting embryo. That starts to change dramatically, especially over 35. Now, you're not falling off a fertility cliff. I want to be clear about that. It's a continuum. And it's never perfect for anyone. In our 20s and early 30s, maybe 25%, up to 30 % in our early 30s of embryos coming from our eggs may have genetic errors or typos in them.

34:33Joshua Johnson:So nobody is immune to this. But this does start to approach a situation where over 38, more than half the embryos coming from our eggs might be abnormal, meaning they can implant or they might implant for a bit and then stop growing. That's the number one cause of miscarriage. So it can take many more random ovulations of an egg to get pregnant, and there's a higher risk of miscarriage as we age. Now, for men, they're making new sperm all the time. So this is why you can see men father children even in their 70s or 80s in extreme cases. But it's not benign. They are creating new healthy sperm that don't have as many of the breakdowns that result in abnormal numbers of chromosomes.

35:11Joshua Johnson:But they do accumulate mutations. And there are many studies linking medical problems in children, problems like autism, neurodevelopmental issues, even childhood cancers being more prevalent in the children of men who are much older when they fathered them. So it's something that I do discuss with couples where the male partner is much older. Well, here's a question we got from one of you. What do you think of embryo screening for things like IQ and autism? I'm seeing a lot of new companies pushing these screenings. And Denise emails, when my husband and I were younger, we had one live birth followed by seven miscarriages.

35:48At the time, genetic and immunological testing was done and everything looked fine. How has medicine progressed in terms of helping couples who face repeated pregnancy loss? At least during the IVF process, genetic testing can be done on embryos. There's also different types of genetic testing that can be done before the embryos are implanted. But kind of talk us through the range of options people have. So I'll start with the testing that's often done prior to a patient doing an IVF cycle. So many patients are counseled about doing carrier screening, which is testing to determine whether you and your partner are a carrier for the same genetic disorder.

36:24That is done prior to IVF treatment and allows us to plan for, do we want to do additional testing on the embryos if, you know, you and your partner both are carriers for the same genetic disorder. Then there is testing that is done while the embryo is, once the embryo is created, we are able to remove a handful of cells from the embryo and send those cells off. So there are a few different types of testing. The overarching one is PGT. That stands for pre-implantation genetic testing. The most common is for aneuploidy. And those are large chromosomal abnormalities that happen during the growth of the embryo, not abnormalities that are passed from parent to child.

37:08So that's the most common. We have PGTM, which is for monogenic disorders, which is when you do, you and your partner both have, you know, the same genetic disorder that could potentially be passed to, you know, an embryo or a child. And then we have, you know, testing for structural rearrangements. arrangements, some of those disorders that are those chromosomal abnormalities that cause recurrent miscarriage and things like that. So there's a plethora of things that we can test for, but it's really important to have the conversation with your provider and a genetic counselor on, is this something that's going to be effective for us?

37:42What are the risks? Because there are risks in everything that we do. And is this something that's going to get us to our goal faster or safer? And so it's really important to have those conversations prior to choosing if that testing is right for you. And briefly, our listener asks specifically about screening for things like IQ and autism. Is that something you do? That is a newer technology. There are a handful of PGT testing labs that do offer it. They're very complex, again, and I think that's a great conversation to have with a genetic counselor. The science is not quite perfect yet, and we're still working out a lot of the kinks, but I think it's a great conversation to have with your provider as well as a genetic counselor.

38:22Not all clinics at this point are offering that service. There are ethical considerations as well that, you know, many providers and labs and patients have about that new technology. Dr. Lucky, explain a little bit about that conversation you have with patients about what to screen for, what not to screen for.

38:41Joshua Johnson:I think most patients can benefit from testing their embryos to just know how many chromosomes the cells have. And there's very few instances where I'm going to dissuade someone from doing that. I think if they're using donor eggs and the donors are, you know, in their early to mid-20s, maybe there's less of a rationale because there's such a low rate of errors. But even still, embryos derived from young donor eggs can have a rate of errors of about 21 % in some studies. So, you know, I think that if you have embryos and you test them and you know that anyone can have an embryo that forms that has missing or extra DNA, even in our 20s and early 30s, being able to identify that and select the best embryo that has the best chance of success and a lower risk of miscarriage, I think is an option that everyone should avail themselves of.

39:32Joshua Johnson:It's not always as compelling in the younger population. So I always talk to them about, you know, the pros and cons and cost considerations because for a lot of people, it's an additional cost. Now, I don't recommend exploring at this time doing polygenic testing on embryos. And that's, I think, what that listener was asking about. I've talked to many people who are experts in molecular genetics. They're PhDs. They, you know, are studying this. This is like what they do. And they're not convinced. There isn't really a way to validate, you know, what some of these companies are claiming right now.

40:09Joshua Johnson:First of all, autism is multifactorial. And many cases of autism, we don't have a genetic target. So the thing about testing embryos is you have to know what to look for. So even when patients come to me and say, I have a strong family history of schizophrenia or I have a strong family history of heart disease, unless there's a specific genetic target where they say, I got tested and I know I carry this mutation that predisposes me to this medical problem, then I can say, okay, go talk to my genetic counselor. they determine this is the type of gene mutation that, you know, could pose a risk to passing on to 50 % of your children.

40:45Joshua Johnson:Okay, well, we can actually create a specific probe that zooms in and looks for that mutation in the embryos. But if you don't have a known mutation or target to test, then there isn't really an ability to screen the embryos for a particular condition. So it's really controversial. Well, we got this email from Beth, and I think it's important to talk about it. My husband and I dealt with secondary infertility and moved to IVF. After a brief COVID delay, I became pregnant with our rainbow baby at 40 years old. He turns five in two weeks. Emotionally, the support group was so helpful through my clinic, and I met friends that I'm still friends with today, and we all have our rainbow babies.

41:23And a rainbow baby is a child born following a miscarriage. The emotional toll of fertility treatments can be intense. One study found that 39 % of women undergoing fertility treatment met the criteria for major depressive disorder. Patients can also spend tens of thousands of dollars, go through the entire process, only to lead to a miscarriage. Dr. Lucky, how do you prepare your patients for this reality?

41:49Joshua Johnson:Well, one thing about the clinic where I work is that we have mental health care integrated. I work very closely with a clinical psychologist, and I have for many years. And I really think that a multidisciplinary approach where we're focusing, yes, on the physical aspect, testing and treatment, but we're also putting just as much energy towards mental health and support is really the way forward. We know that one of the biggest causes of people not realizing a successful outcome isn't always the treatment just didn't work. It's something called premature dropout. And studies have looked at this.

42:24Joshua Johnson:And one of the major factors is psychological causes, right? It's not being able to kind of persist because you get burnt out emotionally and mentally. And so something I really wanted to emphasize in my fertility guidebook was weaving mental health throughout the conversation. Because I do think that the mental health struggle of someone who's trying to freeze their eggs and maybe they're having a hard time responding because their numbers are lower is very distinct from someone dealing with multiple miscarriages or someone who may have to pivot to relying on surrogacy because they have fibroids and issues with their uterus.

42:57Joshua Johnson:So it's really a delicate conversation, and I have them every day with my patients who are coming from all walks of life with different types of problems. And you really have to meet the patient where they are and provide them with the tools for them to help build resiliency and preserve their quality of life. I always say it's not just about getting to your end goal, the destination, but the journey matters too. And it's really important to not lose your sense of self and to be able to protect your relationships and your mental health throughout. Well, there's lots of information and disinformation online when it comes to fertility.

43:29And just a quick sentence, Dr. Lucky, what should people be aware of when they're researching treatments?

43:34Joshua Johnson:Well, there's a lot of people that are quote-unquote experts who have absolutely zero expertise or training. So if you're ever going to consume information online, look to see what that person's credentials are. And if it's not clearly listed, I would automatically assume that they're probably not qualified to be dispensing medical advice online. So just be careful. That's Dr. Lucky Seacon. She's a double board certified OBGYN and reproductive endocrinologist at RMA of New York. She's also the author of The Lucky Egg, and you can follow her for more reproductive information at lucky.seacon on Instagram.

44:10Also with us, Elise Barnes. She's an embryologist with a background in genetics based in North Carolina, and you can follow her to learn more at EliseTheEmbryologist on Instagram and TikTok. Thanks to you both. Today's producer was Michelle Harvin. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR. I'm Jen White. Thanks for listening, and we'll talk again tomorrow. This is 1A.

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Millions of people struggle to become pregnant in the U.S. And in 2024, fertility rates reached a new low, according to CDC data. Women are also waiting longer to have kids, while a growing number are deciding to opt out entirely.

That’s part of the reason the Trump administration is pushing for a baby boom and promising to make in-vitro fertilization more accessible. Earlier this month, the administration’s new discounted prescription drug website, TrumpRx, went live.

But fertility treatments continue to be prohibitively expensive for many, with the average cumulative cost of IVF treatments reaching up to $60,000. That’s according to FertilityIQ.

Beyond the eye-popping price tag, the journey itself can be emotionally taxing. The stress is so great it’s been compared to a cancer diagnosis and can bring feelings of shame and guilt. It can also be confusing trying to decipher the many doctors’ appointments and medical jargon.

We sit down with an expert panel to talk through the latest in fertility treatments, debunk some persistent myths, and answer your questions.

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