Kouri Richins Found Guilty

18 Mar 2026 · 29 min · 14 chapters

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Episode Overview Podcast Title: 48 Hours Episode Title: Kouri Richins Found Guilty Release Date: March 17, 2023 Hosts: Natalie Morales Key Guest: Skye Lazaro, former defense attorney for Kouri Richins

Summary This episode covers the trial verdict of Kouri Richins, a Utah author found guilty of murdering her husband Eric Richins with a fentanyl-laced Moscow mule. The jury deliberated quickly, returning a guilty verdict on all counts, including murder, attempted murder, insurance fraud, and forgery. Correspondent Natalie Morales and former defense attorney Skye Lazaro analyze the trial's key elements, evidence, and witness testimonies that influenced the jury's decision.

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Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Trial Overview
  2. Charges: Kouri Richins was accused of:
  3. Aggravated murder
  4. Attempted murder
  5. Insurance fraud
  6. Forgery
  7. Date of Crime: Allegedly happened in March 2022, following a previous attempt on Valentine’s Day.
  1. Verdict and Reactions
  2. Verdict Announcement: The jury found Kouri guilty on all five counts shortly after deliberation.
  3. Family Response: Emotional reactions from Eric's family were noted during the verdict announcement.
  1. Key Evidence Presented
  2. Murder Method: State alleged fatal poisoning using fentanyl.
  3. Financial Motive: Significant debts and a $4 million life insurance policy were highlighted as motives for murder.
  4. Carmen Lauber's Testimony:
  5. Key witness with a history of drug problems; claimed Kouri sought fentanyl.
  6. Defense questioned her credibility due to her past and inconsistencies in her testimony.
  1. Defense Strategies
  2. No Witnesses Called: The defense did not present any witnesses nor did Kouri testify, a strategy that was debated by legal experts.
  3. Argument Against Prosecution's Evidence: Defense insisted the prosecution failed to prove Kouri procured or administered the fentanyl.
  1. Prosecution's Closing Arguments
  2. Prosecutor Brad Bloodworth emphasized:
  3. Kouri's motive tied to financial distress.
  4. Searches on Kouri’s phone post-Eric's death, indicating possible premeditation (e.g., how to delete phone information, lethal dose of fentanyl).
  5. The children's book Kouri published on grief was portrayed as an exploitation of her situation for financial gain.
  1. Key Witness Examination
  2. Carmen Lauber's Impact:
  3. Defense highlighted inconsistencies in her statements.
  4. Prosecutors relied heavily on her testimony, despite her credibility issues.
  1. Key Legal Arguments
  2. Defense's Key Questions:
  3. Could the fatal dose have come from a recreational drug use by Eric?
  4. Was the evidence presented strong enough to prove Kouri's direct involvement?
  1. Aftermath and Next Stages
  2. Sentencing: Scheduled for May 13, 2023, where Kouri faces potential life sentences.
  3. Appeal Likelihood: Speculation on potential appeals due to trial rulings and defense strategies.
  1. Public and Media Reaction
  2. The case gained significant media attention, especially given Kouri's publication of a children’s book amid the investigation, which drew skepticism.

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Key Takeaways

  • Judicial Process: The episode illustrates the complexities and high-stakes nature of murder trials, highlighting the interplay of prosecution and defense strategies.
  • Public Perception: Kouri's actions (e.g., writing a book during the trial) were interpreted as attempts to manipulate public sentiment.
  • Legal Challenges: The discussion raises questions about the decisions made by the defense team, particularly the choice not to call witnesses.

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This episode of "48 Hours" provides a profound insight into the nuances of this high-profile murder trial, showcasing the critical elements that can sway a jury's decision. The analysis by Natalie Morales and Skye Lazaro offers a deep dive into both the legal strategies and emotional ramifications of the case.

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Corey Richens Found Guilty

1:04 to 1:45

Corey Richens was found guilty of aggravated murder in a high-profile trial.

“There is a verdict in the trial of Utah Children's Book author Corey Richens, who had been charged with murder and attempted murder of her husband, Eric, in 2022, along with insurance fraud and forgery.”

Details of the Allegations

1:45 to 2:15

Explore the allegations against Corey Richens regarding her husband's death.

“after previously attempting to poison him via a sandwich on Valentine's Day of that same year.”

Expert Analysis of the Verdict

2:15 to 2:56

Defense attorney Skye Lazaro discusses the trial verdict and jury reactions.

“a defense attorney who represented Corey Richens before the trial, but she was there inside the Summit County courtroom for closing arguments.”

Defense Strategy Insights

2:56 to 4:27

Insight into the defense's strategy and the decision not to call witnesses.

“So the defense did make the decision not to call any witnesses and not to put Corey Richens on the stand.”

Prosecution's Case Presentation

4:27 to 5:43

Details on the prosecution's arguments about motive and evidence presented.

“Let's talk about the murder and attempted murder charges.”

Defense's Counterarguments

5:43 to 6:11

Defense attorney Wendy Lewis argues against the prosecution's claims.

“That amount of fentanyl shows that Corey Richens wanted Eric not only dead, but good and dead.”

Key Witness Testimony

6:11 to 7:39

Discussing Carmen Lauber's role as a key witness in the trial.

“Okay, so they have to prove that Eric, or I'm sorry, that Corey Richards intentionally or knowingly caused the death of Eric Richards.”

Carmen Lauber's Reliability

7:39 to 8:10

Examining the reliability of Carmen Lauber's testimony in the case.

“cross-examination, but maybe looking back at what should we have done differently or should we have put on a defense, maybe those are the people you try to put on.”

Investigative Findings and Web Searches

8:10 to 13:52

Reviewing the incriminating web searches made by Corey Richens.

“And then Corey apparently asked Carmen Lauber for something even stronger than the painkiller that she had received in the past.”

The Impact of Corey's Letter

14:01 to 17:46

Discussion on the implications of a letter allegedly tampering with witnesses.

“Now, allegedly, this was a letter from Corey to her mother giving her brother Ronnie instructions on what to say in terms of how to present the case and her story.”
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Affair and Financial Motives

18:39 to 23:26

Examining Corey Richens' affair and its potential motive for murder.

“but they argued that Corey also wanted to start this whole other life with Robert Josh, as he goes by Grossman.”

Corey's Children's Book Controversy

23:27 to 26:35

Analysis of the children's book Corey wrote amid murder investigations.

“but it drew, I think, a lot of attention to this case.”

Verdict and Sentencing Expectations

26:36 to 28:00

Discussion on the verdicts and potential sentencing outcomes for Corey Richens.

“Well, I know Eric's family was, of course, very much relieved by the verdict.”

Discussion on Appeal Prospects

28:00 to 28:45

Insight into the likelihood and implications of an appeal in the Kouri Richins case.

“Is that your understanding of what might happen next?”
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1:03We, the jury, unanimously find that the defendant Corey Richens is guilty of aggravated murder. There is a verdict in the trial of Utah Children's Book author Corey Richens, who had been charged with murder and attempted murder of her husband, Eric, in 2022, along with insurance fraud and forgery. Corey Richens was found guilty on all five counts as Eric's sisters and father watched emotionally and reacted emotionally to the decision in court. I'm 48 Hours correspondent Natalie Morales, and this is 48 Hours Inside the Corey Richens Trial. Now, the state of Utah alleged that Corey Richens poisoned Eric with a lethal dose of fentanyl served in a Moscow mule back in March of 2022.

1:54after previously attempting to poison him via a sandwich on Valentine's Day of that same year. Before her arrest in 2023, she published a children's book about grief to help her kids mourn the loss of their father. Here with me to discuss the verdict and the trial is Sky Lazaro, a defense attorney who represented Corey Richens before the trial, but she was there inside the Summit County courtroom for closing arguments. So Skye, the decision really came down after just a few hours once the jury went to deliberate. What was your reaction to then hearing the verdict, and were you surprised? I was surprised by how quickly the jury came back.

2:39Really, there was a lot of evidence that was presented in this case. And just from experience, I somewhat expected the jury to go back, probably do a little bit of deliberation with the few hours they had, go home, get some rest and then come back the next day. So the defense did make the decision not to call any witnesses and not to put Corey Richens on the stand. Was any of that a mistake, in your opinion, as a defense attorney? You hate to Monday morning quarterback what somebody else does in trial. This is this is really difficult work. And these are decisions that you make in real time. I understand why they did not.

3:18The state actually held back some evidence, I think because they expected Corey to probably testify and for the for the defense to put on a defense. And the strategy really becomes, do we put on what we have and is what we have enough to make a difference? Because what you do, the state gets a rebuttal in these cases. So the state then gets to come back because it's their burden of proof. and put on even more evidence or more character evidence. So really, it gives a one more chance to send the jury back to deliberate or listen to closing arguments. Having heard even more negative things about your client, it's always a really, really hard decision to make.

4:05You never know which one's right. You second guess everything you do, especially when you get a conviction, then you really question it. But in this case, I think the state, to their credit, did a really, really good job of painting a picture of Corey Richens, that someone who's capable of murder and who did commit it. Let's talk about the murder and attempted murder charges. And here's prosecutor Brad Bloodworth during his closing arguments talking about the motive here. And the motive in this case truly was money. You know, Corey was in over her head in debt with her house flipping business.

4:44Eric's estate was worth over$4 million, including a life insurance policy, which the prosecution alleged that Corey forged to sign over to her to her name. Let's take a listen to Bledworth in his closings. The substance here happened to have been fentanyl, could have been any part of the illicit street drug that she bought, happened to be fentanyl that she administered in a Moscow mill and a shot or a shot. But we know that's how she administered it because it was in his belly.

5:23We know it was a lethal amount.

5:28The death certificate, fentanyl killed him. That's the substance. Lethal amount. Can be as small as three nanograms per milliliter. And in this case, he had 15. Five times what can be a lethal amount. That, by the way, is not an accident. That amount of fentanyl shows that Corey Richens wanted Eric not only dead, but good and dead. Well, that was Brad Bledworth from the prosecution. Now here is defense attorney Wendy Lewis. She insisted that the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Okay, so they have to prove that Eric, or I'm sorry, that Corey Richards intentionally or knowingly caused the death of Eric Richards.

6:19The state has not proven this. They haven't even proven that she obtained fentanyl. They have not proven where the pills ended up or how Eric took them. They stood up here and argued, well, it really doesn't matter what drug she purchased. As long as it was an illicit street drug, it absolutely matters. Because what did he die of? He died of fentanyl. There was no oxycodone in his system. There was no other drug in his system, they must prove that she purchased and gave him fentanyl. So, Skye, the defense really leaned into the fact that the prosecution couldn't 100 percent prove that Corey was the one who procured the fentanyl and put it into that Moscow mule.

7:06The defense made the case that Eric Richens was a recreational drug user, that he used to take gummies with a THC at night to help him sleep. Perhaps he got a tainted supply of THC gummies with fentanyl in it. So in your mind, the defense did not present that as strong enough evidence to the jury? I think with the jury's decision, it's clear that it wasn't presented strong enough, that there wasn't enough follow-up, that they didn't... They put it on through cross-examination, but maybe looking back at what should we have done differently or should we have put on a defense, maybe those are the people you try to put on.

7:49Now, according to the prosecution, the key witness here is Carmen Lauber. She was a woman who worked with Corey Richens as a cleaning person, but also had a criminal history in dealing drugs and also admitted on the stand to having used drugs and having a past with drug abuse, although she claimed she's clean now. But Lauber said that Corey had come to her on four different occasions asking for drugs from her, saying this was all for an investor. And then Corey apparently asked Carmen Lauber for something even stronger than the painkiller that she had received in the past. Carmen talks about her contact here when it came to buying those drugs.

8:31Take a listen. He said he had a buddy that had some fentanyl pills.

8:40What then did you do? I had texted Corey back and told her that I had a friend that could get them, but they were fentanyl pills.

8:55So you told Corey you had a friend, a hookup for fentanyl pills? Yes. How did Corey Richards respond? She said, okay, go ahead and get them.

9:09So, did you go ahead and get her? Yes. So, Skye, I know Carmen Lauber is somewhat of a tough witness when it comes to the prosecution, because even though she is the key witness here, she also has this history with drugs, and she also seems to be, according to the defense's side, changing her story on multiple occasions, right? That's correct. the state really had a lot to overcome when you pin your entire case on someone like Carmen Lauber. We look back at the investigation and we look at the interviews that were done, and she does say that she sold Corey drugs, but that wasn't fentanyl. And it wasn't until several interviews later when the state investigator is really pushing on her, this is your get out of jail free card.

9:57And remember, she's on probation for first degree felony drug charges at the time, those carry a potential sentence of five years to life in prison. So this is serious. And that was played during the course of the trial. They're looking to pull your drug court deal and ask for seven years on your two firsts, five years for the first, the one felony and a 40 percent portion for the second for seven years. the only exception to that and the only thing that they're willing to kind of help you out with is if you can help us out with this and by so he means like give us the details that will ensure cory gets convicted of murder and i want to talk about how the defense also went after carmen lauber's testimony you know they presented her with stacks of binders i'm gonna ask you to refer to these as we talk.

10:56These are the transcripts of the interviews that you did in April and May of 2023. So in presenting those binders, it seems she's presenting the situation to Labra as this is all your testimony over the time. And look how much it's changed, right, Skye? That's exactly what they did. And they went after her pretty harshly. I think at times she almost came across as sympathetic, which didn't help the defense either. Because up to this point in the interview, you've said, no fentanyl. I don't deal in fentanyl. I didn't get her fentanyl. I got her Roxie's. I got her Oxie's. Oh, she asked for Michael Jackson drugs.

11:37Oh, I guess I got her fentanyl. How else would fentanyl be in my head? Right? That's what's happened up to this point. Correct. And the only person up to this point who has put the word fentanyl in your head are these detectives, correct?

11:58Miss Lauber, you're on the stand. At that point, they are the ones that told you it was fentanyl. They're the ones that told me that Eric passed away from fentanyl. They really did try to hammer on, you know, you don't remember, you keep changing your story. You know, you were saying whatever the state needed you to say. Now, one of the other big points for the prosecution is some of the web searches made shortly thereafter Eric's death. Queries about, for example, how to delete information from your phone, if cops can force you to take a lie detector test, searches about life insurance and luxury prisons for the rich in California.

12:38And also this query about a lethal dose of fentanyl. Did you think that that went over with the jury in a compelling way enough so that it was convincing? I think it was confusing from what I saw when those happened. And I think that was really the important part of it. A search warrant was executed in April, long after Eric's passed away. And they search Corey's home. They take all of her electronics. Those searches were conducted on her new phone. So we know that those searches were conducted after she was given a copy of a search warrant that said, we are investigating you, Corey Richens, for the homicide of Eric Richens, and we believe he died with a lethal dose of fentanyl.

13:26So those search warrants or those searches that were done, I think are explainable when she's learning for the first time, I'm being investigated for murder. They think I did it. And now they've taken my phone. I don't know what a lethal dose of fentanyl is. Actually, I think that could probably be spun in her defense. She didn't know what a lethal dose of fentanyl was. Had she killed them, she would know what is enough. Let's talk about that walk the dog letter. Now, we had reported on this in our 48 hours report. You couldn't talk to us really at length about that letter at the time. Now, allegedly, this was a letter from Corey to her mother giving her brother Ronnie instructions on what to say in terms of how to present the case and her story.

14:12And this was written in September of 2023, and the jury was shown this redacted version of the letter. And here is Detective Jeff O'Driscoll reading from that letter in the court. Page one, walk the dog, but take vague notes so you remember. Here is what I'm thinking, but you have to talk to Ronnie. He would probably have to testify to this, but it's super short, not a lot to it. He will need to tell Sky at the meeting next week. Upon information and belief, just like they say, a year prior to Eric's death, Ronnie was over watching football one Sunday, and Eric and Ronnie were chatting about Eric's Mexico trips.

14:59Eric told Ronnie he gets pain pills and fentanyl from Mexico from the workers at the ranch. not to tell me because I would get mad because I always said he he just gets high every night and won't help take care of the kids. There are pictures in my phone of Eric passed out on the floor or in the chair. So this letter, I mean, how big a deal is this letter? I mean, was it witness tampering from Corey Richens in this case? Is this Corey trying to set up her story? What did you make of it? Because you're actually named in it. You know, Corey says, please tell Sky a couple of times in the letter. This letter was probably the single worst thing that probably could have happened to Corey.

15:49It was published immediately by the district attorney's office to the press. It really set the scene for Corey's a bad person and Corey will lie to get whatever she wants and use whoever she needs to. The reality is, and I think this was discussed at a hearing that we had after we talked on 48 Hours when I couldn't really talk about it, was this letter was found in her cell after they executed a search and took a whole bunch of documents, including things I had to fight to get back because they were privileged. This letter was never given to anyone. There was never an indication that it was going to be given to anyone or mailed.

16:33Corey knew that they read all her mail that she sent out. There was no way she was getting this letter out without knowing. So, you know, my perspective on it still is it's thoughts on a page. It's not witness tampering. I certainly don't appreciate parts of it. and would never cross any lines as an attorney, the way she may hope. But it reads really problematic. It's always been a problem in this case. I expected it to continue to be a problem. And in conjunction with everything else that was presented about her, it just really does not help put her in a positive light.

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18:38So the prosecution really talked about the financial motive, but they argued that Corey also wanted to start this whole other life with Robert Josh, as he goes by Grossman. This was the man that she was having an affair with. Now, when we spoke, Sky, back in 2023, that affair, there had been rumors of it, but we didn't have confirmation of it. So now we're seeing we have confirmation of it. And his testimony when he took the stand, He seemed somewhat nervous. He seemed to really hate the fact that he was there. Even when he was taking the oath, he seemed confused at times, would you say? I would agree with you.

19:21And you're correct. When we previously spoke on this, it had been kind of thrown out there that there perhaps was an affair. This other individual existed, we now know, and through text messages that have been obtained and entered into evidence that he does. His testimony was interesting, for sure. That was probably the first time he had seen Corey since the relationship ended. And he was clearly upset by either having to be there or having to testify against her or the relationship in and of itself. And the prosecution, they spent hours with him and taking him through some of those text messages that they were sending to each other back and forth.

20:10Now, these text messages showed both of them professing their love. But when Corey got arrested, he said that's when he started feeling really guilty. And that's when he said he actually went to Eric's family and he spoke to one of the sister's husbands. And then they had him meet with their private investigator. And Josh recalled that conversation also that he had with Corey soon after Eric's death. Did she ask you a question about killing? She did ask me if I if. Yeah. What's her did she ask? She asked if I had ever killed anybody.

20:59Was that specific to killed anybody while serving in Iraq? Right. Did you respond? I did. Did she ask a follow-up question? Yes. Sir, what was that follow-up question? She asked me how it made me feel or something along those lines. And the way it was presented in court, I think, was really effective for the state. And they talked about it again in their closing argument and said, it's not like she said, you know, have you ever seen anyone die or has a loved one or a close person to you ever died? It was, did you have you ever killed? It was it was really, I think, damaging to Corey. Did the defense have much when it came to cross-examining Josh?

21:51You know, there really wasn't a lot there. I mean, you know, the cross of Josh, I think, really needs to be, did Corey ever tell you that she killed him? Did you ever see her buy fentanyl? Did she ever ask you to get her fentanyl? Did you ever, did she ever have any conversation, you know, about getting rid of Eric and what she would do? I know there was conversations about her wanting to just be with Josh, you know, but really, you know, and if you can't provide any, anything on that, then it's like, okay, thank you. So she had an affair. But that affair, I mean, to the jury, you know, an affair does not make a murderer, but in this case, it was just one more thing that you think was more damaging to Corey.

22:34I think so. No, an affair never makes a murder. And this affair had gone, had been going on and off for years. And actually, you know, if, if as the state alleges that one of the reasons she killed Eric was to be with Josh, this relationship, as he testified on their stand, really just fizzled out shortly after Eric died. And so it really is kind of flies in the face of that theory. But I think, you know, when you couple it with all of these other things that they just never were really able to, the defense was never really able to counteract and humanize her in a real effective way. The circumstantial evidence just really, really adds up.

23:18And then finally, I want to talk to you about the book. This is the book, I think, that got everybody's attention. It was a children's book about grief to her children, but it drew, I think, a lot of attention to this case. I want to play some sound once again from the prosecutor Brad Bloodworth during the closing argument about the book. She wrote it, had it written, and published it in early 2023, when she knew that investigators were investigating her for the murder of Eric Ritchens. She promoted it. Her mother sent a book to investigators, all to deflect attention away from Corey Ritchens.

23:59She also wrote it to make money. You see the emails, they're in evidence. She thought she would sell 100 ,000 copies in 10 months at$5 profit a copy. That is not tethered to reality. But it does provide insight in how desperate she was for money. That she would trade

24:27on her sons and the death of her father to make money.

24:35The final things it tells you about Corey Richens is that she wanted, as part of her facade, as part of her appearance of success, privilege, and affluence, she wanted to be an author. But she didn't write it. And you can see from her writings and text messages, orange notebook, the notes, the walk, the dog letter, not only did she not write it, she's not a good writer. but she wanted to appear as one. The appearance was what was important to her. Bloodworth there is alleging that this was written by a ghostwriter, and this was really, again, Corey trying to put on appearances of that grieving widow, that grieving mom with her children.

25:23What did you make of that presentation of Corey? That was their entire theory of this, was everything she did, she did for attention. And he came back to that numerous times in his closing argument, talking about the timing of why she did things or when she did them, because they would get more attention or more sympathy for her. And he tied it to the book. And the book in and of itself, it didn't really sell that many copies. I know it was taken off, probably would have sold a lot more if it had been left up after she'd been charged. But Corey at all times, you know, maintained to investigators, to everyone that she loved her children.

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26:08You know, there was no evidence presented that she didn't love her children. I think the timing of the book, I'll concede, was absolutely terrible. Please don't write books when you're under investigation for murder. But, you know, it doesn't help things. But, you know, I think the state's idea of why she did it is is wildly speculative. And I'm not sure there's really any evidence to back that up. Well, I know Eric's family was, of course, very much relieved by the verdict. It is what they wanted all along. His sister Amy said she was happy that they finally got justice for her brother. The sentencing for Corey Richens is scheduled for May 13th.

26:51What do you expect will happen then? What do you expect will be the outcome of that with all five counts coming back as guilty? There's two options the judge has on count one. And I think regardless of what he does with counts two through five, probably don't matter. Count one, aggravated murder in Utah. The sentencing possibilities are 25 years to life in the Utah State Prison or life without parole. That'll really be the decision the judge makes on a 25, even if he gives her the lower end of that, the 25 years to life, whether or not he can, you know, adds consecutive sentences for the remaining charges, I think really probably doesn't matter.

27:40it's going to be so long before she's eligible for parole, unless this case comes back on appeal for some reason, that she's going to spend a significant amount of time, if not the rest of her life in prison. Well, I know the defense had at multiple times asked the judge for a mistrial. The judge did not buy that. But I imagine there will be an appeal. Is that your understanding of what might happen next? I would expect an appeal to come in this case without any personal knowledge. She was convicted of aggravated murder and the remainder of the counts. I think there's no other option but to file an appeal.

28:18There were enough rulings and pretrial litigation rulings, rulings that the judge made during the trial that an appellate attorney will pick this up and say, hey, look, some of these were detrimental and it should come back. That would be up to our Utah Supreme Court as to how they're going to rule on those. Well, once again, Sky Lazaro, thank you so much for your expert insight into this case, the Corey Richens trial. Thanks for having me, Natalie.

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Kouri Richins, Utah author and mother, was just found guilty for murder and attempted murder of her husband Eric Richins. The state accused her of killing him with a fentanyl-laced Moscow mule in 2022 after previously attempting to poison him via a sandwich on Valentine’s Day. Monday evening the Jury found her guilty on all counts including insurance fraud and forgery. In a special episode, "48 Hours" correspondent Natalie Morales speaks with Skye Lazaro, former defense attorney for Richins, about the significance of the outcome and the key moments in court that let up to the verdict.

This episode was recorded on March 17.

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