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48 Hours Podcast Episode Summary: Post Mortem | The Rx Defense
Overview This episode of 48 Hours features an in-depth discussion of the case of Connor Hilton, a 17-year-old who shot two of his friends, resulting in the death of one and serious injury to another. The episode focuses on Hilton's defense strategy, claiming that his behavior was influenced by a prescription acne medication, Accutane. The conversation is led by CBS News correspondent Anne-Marie Green and joined by colleague Tracy Smith.
Key Themes and Discussions
- The Crime
- Date of Incident: December 23, 2023.
- Victims:
- Ethan Reilly (18 years old) - died in the hospital.
- Benjamin Bleak (19 years old) - survived with serious injuries.
- Circumstances: The shooting occurred during a scheduled hangout at Hilton's home.
- Defense Strategy
- Accutane Defense: Connor Hilton's defense team argued that his use of the acne medication altered his behavior, leading to homicidal thoughts.
- They engaged Dr. Doug Bremner, a psychiatrist, who presented evidence suggesting reduced brain activity in areas regulating emotions due to the medication.
- Connor reportedly took double the prescribed dosage on the day of the shooting.
Expert Testimony
- Dr. Bremner's Research: He argued that Accutane could lead to serious psychological effects, including aggression and psychosis.
- Previous Cases: There have been attempts in the past to use Accutane as a defense in homicide cases, but none have been successful.
- Prosecution's Counterarguments
- The prosecution disputed the connection between Hilton's medication and his actions, citing a study indicating that Accutane does not increase suicide risk or psychiatric conditions.
- Lead Prosecutor's Stance: The prosecutor emphasized that some individuals may commit heinous acts independent of external influences like medication.
- Connor's Demeanor
- During interviews, Hilton was described as unnervingly polite, expressing concern for interviewers and displaying a calm demeanor.
- This portrayal raised questions about his mental state and authenticity during the discussions.
- The Victims' Stories
- Ethan Reilly was described as a vibrant, good-hearted individual with a bright personality.
- Benjamin Bleak survived the shooting and expressed that Hilton's actions were not influenced by medication, calling the defense a "horse." His recovery journey was discussed, noting that he had to relearn basic skills.
- Legal Outcome
- Plea Deal: Connor took a plea deal two weeks before the trial, accepting a 50-year sentence in exchange for his guilty plea to murder and aggravated assault.
- Impact Statements: Benjamin provided a victim impact statement, asserting he would never forgive Hilton for the pain caused.
- Lessons and Takeaways
- Parental Awareness: The episode emphasizes the importance of parental involvement and awareness of teenagers' activities, particularly regarding social media and mental health.
- Complexity of Mental Health in Crime: The discussions highlight the complexity of linking mental health issues to violent crimes and the challenges faced in the legal system regarding such defenses.
Conclusion The episode of 48 Hours provides a comprehensive look at a tragic case, exploring the intersections of mental health, medication, and crime while presenting compelling narratives from both victims and perpetrators. The discussion raises critical questions about accountability and the influence of external factors on behavior.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOExploring Connor's Defense Strategy
2:16 to 3:30
Discussion on Connor's defense involving the effects of Accutane.
“Connor's defense team found an expert in Isot Retinoid, which is the generic version of Accutane.”
Behavioral Red Flags and Police Insights
3:30 to 6:06
Investigating past behaviors and police findings related to Connor.
“Pharma about this case and they did not respond to our request for comment.”
Witnesses and Connor's Interview
6:06 to 7:27
Insights into Connor's interview and his interactions with friends.
“And he did struggle with anxiety prior to going on Accutane.”
Victims' Stories and Emotional Impact
7:27 to 10:40
Exploring the lives of the shooting victims and their families.
“You know, we talked to him right before he took the plea.”
Plea Deal and Legal Consequences
10:40 to 14:00
Discussion on the plea deal offered to Connor before the trial.
“After entering Connor's home, police find 18-year-old Ethan Riley and 19-year-old Benjamin Bleak.”
Understanding the Plea Deal
14:00 to 15:21
Learn about the implications of Connor's plea deal and the factors behind it.
“And his mom said it was like having a baby again, that she just had to redo everything with him.”
Ben's Journey and Recovery
15:21 to 17:49
Explore Ben's perseverance and the impact of his injury on his life.
“If he would have rolled the dice and gotten a life sentence, he would have been eligible for parole in 30 years.”
Parenting in the Digital Age
17:49 to 18:52
Discuss the importance of parental involvement in children's online activities.
“And he and his mom have actually joined a group of older people playing pickleball.”
Reflections on the Case
18:52 to 19:10
Reflect on the unique legal aspects of the case and its implications.
“But I would have been very interested in hearing the argument and counter argument and whether or not it would hold up as a defense.”
Transcript
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1:10Anne-Marie Green:Welcome back to Postmortem. I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green. And today we are discussing the case of 17-year-old Connor Hilton, who shot two of his friends, Ethan Reilly and Benjamin Bleak, after they arrived at his home in Texas for a scheduled hangout on December 23, 2023. Ben miraculously survived. But when Ethan died in the hospital, Connor was charged with murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. And his defense that he was on a prescription acne medication called Accutane that completely altered his thoughts and behavior. So joining me today to talk about this fascinating case is CBS News correspondent Tracy Smith.
1:56Anne-Marie Green:Tracy, thank you so much for joining us. Hi, Edmarie. Thanks for having me. I want to remind the listeners, if you haven't listened to this 48 Hours episode, the audio version, head on over to your podcast feed. You can find the full audio version just below this episode in the feed. Go take a listen and then come on back for this conversation. All right, Tracy, let us get into this very unique defense strategy. Connor's defense team found an expert in Isot Retinoid, which is the generic version of Accutane. And through this expert, Conor's defense team argued that Conor was driven to kill due to the side effects of Accutane, which the expert says caused Conor to have a recurrent homicidal ideation that he simply wasn't able to control.
2:45Anne-Marie Green:Now, I know that Accutane comes with side effects and sometimes those side effects can be, you know, quite powerful. But I'd never heard of anyone being driven to kill because of it.
2:56Tracy Smith:Yeah, I hadn't heard of it either. If you look at the label, the label does warn of risk of depression, psychosis, suicide, and aggressive or violent behaviors. And there have been other homicide cases that people have tried to use Accutane as a defense, but none of those have been successful. As a mom, I know kids who've been on Accutane, and it's a wonder drug for a lot of teenagers who struggle with acne. and a lot of people are on this drug and don't suffer any severe adverse reactions. And we did reach out to J.G. Pharma about this case and they did not respond to our request for comment.
3:36Tracy Smith:They are the folks who distribute the Accutane that Connor Hilton was on at the time of the shooting.
3:42Anne-Marie Green:So then let's talk about the science that the defenses expert presented. What do we know about it?
3:48Tracy Smith:The defenses expert is Dr. Doug Bremner and he's a professor of psychiatry and radiology at Emory University School of Medicine. And Dr. Bremner says he's done extensive research on the drug ISAT retinoin, which is the generic version of Accutane. He showed these brain scans where he says you can see the difference between the brain without ISAT retinoin and then the brain when someone is on ISAT retinoin. The scans show that there's less activity in part of the brain that regulates emotions when a person is on ISAT retinoin. And according to Dr. Bremner, He believes that in Conner's case, he was suffering from a medication psychotic disorder at the time of the shooting.
4:29Tracy Smith:And it's important to note that Conner told Dr. Bremner that on the day of the shooting, he took double the prescribed dose of his acne medication.
4:39Anne-Marie Green:Okay, so here's the thing, though. He had been taking this medication for a while. You spoke to his parents and you asked them whether or not they had seen any red flags in terms of his behavior. They didn't see any. Did anyone else see red flags?
4:52Tracy Smith:Yeah, they said they didn't. But the police spoke to his friends. I spoke to Ben. And his friends said that that gun was out at the house all the time. It was not locked up where it was supposed to be. And he also said concerning things. There's one story that Detective McCandless and also Ben's mom, Shannon, told me that a week before the shooting, the 15-year-old who was hiding in the bathroom on the night of the shooting. A week before the shooting, Connor had invited all of his friends over to watch a movie, and the kids didn't want to watch a movie. And this 15-year-old was sitting with Connor, and Connor turned to him, and according to the 15-year-old, Connor said, have you ever thought about killing one of your friends?
5:38Tracy Smith:There are also social media posts that Connor had made that showed a fascination with murder. And in fact, his school received two anonymous reports from the same person about eight months before the shooting about these social media posts about murder. And they called in Connor's mother. They talked to Connor. They investigated. And they determined that there was no threat. We dug into the timeline a little bit just to try to figure out if this fascination with murder happened after Connor went on Accutane. And he did struggle with anxiety prior to going on Accutane. He didn't want to go to school.
6:20Tracy Smith:But Connor said this fascination with murder happened after he was on Accutane. Now, does that mean that there's a cause and effect here? The prosecution says absolutely not. Acne medication has nothing to do with this horrific act that Connor committed.
6:37Anne-Marie Green:You know, Tracy, as I was watching the hour, that's kind of like one of the things that I was going back and forth with. Right. I know that there can be experts to argue almost anything. But I believe this expert that, you know, perhaps Accutane could have had these dire side effects. What I wasn't sure of was whether or not that could be a defense. And the prosecution sort of basically argued that, too. In fact, they argued against the science in court. The prosecution introduced a more recent study that found that I saw retinoid, generic Accutane, that those users actually do not have increased risk of suicide or psychiatric conditions.
7:17Anne-Marie Green:And then the lead prosecutor told you that this case is simple. What she believes is that it's not a side effect from medication, that some people are just evil. You sat down with Connor for an interview. I'm curious. I mean, how did he come across to you?
7:34Tracy Smith:You know, we talked to him right before he took the plea. At that point, when we spoke to him, he thought he was going to trial. So he, at the advice of his attorneys, didn't talk a lot about what happened that night. But I feel like we really did get a sense of who he was. And one of the things that stuck out to me was he was almost unnervingly polite. He would say, yes, ma 'am, and no, ma 'am. At one point, he actually kind of stopped the interview to ask if I was feeling okay. I actually have a clip of that. I had asked him about his friends who he shot. And this is what he said. Can you tell me anything about your friends, about Ethan and Ben?
8:25Tracy Smith:I'm sorry.
8:33Tracy Smith:All I'm gonna say is that they were very good friends to me. That's all I'm gonna say. And you didn't have any disagreements with them? No. I never hated them. I never hated them. There was no argument?
8:48Anne-Marie Green:No, no, ma 'am.
8:56Tracy Smith:How do you explain what happened? I don't know. I mean, I just need a water break. Of course. Just a water break. Of course.
9:14Tracy Smith:I'm sorry. It's okay.
9:19Anne-Marie Green:Are you okay? Am I not? like freaking out or anything?
9:22Tracy Smith:No, of course not. And it's understandable why you would get emotional. I'm just worried about you. Like, are you okay? I'm fine.
9:33Anne-Marie Green:He's worried about you.
9:34Tracy Smith:Yeah, I'm just worried about you. Like, I don't know about you, Anne-Marie, but I've never had someone say that to me in an interview before.
9:41Anne-Marie Green:Absolutely not. Clearly, you're asking him a very uncomfortable question, a question that he's struggling to answer. And so I'm trying to figure out if that response is, you know, kind of authentic interest in what's going on with you or if it is a kind of a stalling tactic. But it reminds me a little bit of him in the police cruiser when he asks, like, the officer about how his Christmas is going. Yeah.
10:09Tracy Smith:Are you having a good Christmas? I mean, every time I see that, I gasp. It's just, it's so unusual. And the detective said when they brought him down to the station right after that, it was the same sort of thing, this yes, sir, no, sir, this remarkable politeness.
10:38Anne-Marie Green:Welcome back. Let's talk about the victims. After entering Connor's home, police find 18-year-old Ethan Riley and 19-year-old Benjamin Bleak. They're lying on the floor. Each of them have gunshot wounds to the head, both miraculously still alive when first responders arrive at the scene. But Ethan later dies in the hospital. It is Christmas Eve.
11:03Tracy Smith:Yeah, I mean, the timing of this is just heartbreaking. Connor was released on bond for the first time the same day that Ethan died. So it's hard to fathom what's going on here at Christmastime with these families. You have one family who has their son at home, the son who shot these two boys, and those two boys' families are in the hospital. I want to talk about Ethan just a little bit. His parents described him as handsome, athletic, bold, good-hearted. They said he could carry a conversation with anyone. And it was interesting. It struck me that both his father and Ben, in describing him, used the word light.
11:43Tracy Smith:His dad said in court that he was full of love and light. And Ben, when he was talking about Ethan to me, he said that this is the kind of guy who always looked at things in a positive light, that he was just this outstanding guy.
11:59Anne-Marie Green:And we learn, actually, this is sort of like almost the highlight in the hour, is that Ben survives. And the way he's revealed as he sort of walks around the corner, it was shocking and thrilling. And I mean, if you've got to have like something kind of positive to hang on to, there he was.
12:21Tracy Smith:Yeah. I mean, walking miracle, right? Yeah. And just, I feel so lucky to be able to sit with Ben and his mom and to see his remarkable recovery and also his sense of humor, as I'm sure you got watching this hour. He has this astonishing sense of humor. A quick story that his mom shared with me. When Ben couldn't talk, she had his friends put together a playlist of his favorite songs. And she would listen to that when she was with Ben. and a song from Toto, you know, I guess it rains down in Africa, Toto comes on and Shannon, his mom just bursts out laughing like this is ridiculous. And she looks over at Ben and he has a smile on his face and she just knows like my son is back.
13:04Tracy Smith:Like that sense of humor is intact. You know, he has no memory of what happened that night. But Ben is very crystal clear about why it happened. And he says it has nothing to do with the acne medication.
13:20Anne-Marie Green:In fact, he called it he called the defense horse. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's yeah. He doesn't mince words. It's a little bit of his humor to there. You know, I wonder if it's a blessing that she that he actually can't remember the details of that night. I wonder if it's actually helped him in terms of his recovery. Was Ben close to Connor?
13:38Tracy Smith:Ben wasn't super close to Connor, but he was friends with Connor through Ethan because Ben was super close to Ethan. And Connor's house was kind of the hangout house. So they would hang out as a group at Connor's house. Ben was a little bit older than the other guys. He was already taking college classes. And that's another part of this tragedy is that he was so independent, you know, really starting his life. And his mom said it was like having a baby again, that she just had to redo everything with him. He had to learn to walk, talk, swallow again. just starting it all over.
14:12Anne-Marie Green:So, you know, we learn about the defense that's coming, right? This side effect of this very common medication. But then two weeks before Connor Hilton is set to stand trial, he ends up taking a plea deal. Prosecutors offered him 50 years in prison if he pleaded guilty to murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because when I heard 50 years, I actually thought that didn't seem like much of a negotiation. That's, you know, it's a pretty hefty sentence. I suppose it could have been worse. It could have been life. Here's the thing.
14:46Tracy Smith:When we were talking with Connor, the attorneys had gotten, had just gotten the plea deal. And so as we're, as I was leaving, they went into a conference room to talk about this plea deal. And yeah, it's a little surprising. In Texas, a defendant gets to choose if they want the jury to sentence them. And the sentencing guidelines for murder are pretty broad. They're between five and 99 years or life. So you figure if he rolled the dice and he came off as this polite, sympathetic kid, maybe he could have gotten a lighter sentence. So in this plea deal, he's eligible for parole in 25 years. If he would have rolled the dice and gotten a life sentence, he would have been eligible for parole in 30 years.
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15:30Tracy Smith:So it's a difference of five years. So it is kind of surprising that he took the deal. And his parents told us that after sentencing, he called them and said he regretted taking it. But he agreed to this. He signed something saying he understood what he was doing. He waived his right to a trial. He waived his right to an appeal.
15:53Anne-Marie Green:Ben gave a victim impact statement at the plea hearing, and he told Connor that he was never going to forgive him for the grief that he caused his own family and for the Riley's. He came across as very, very strong, but it's clear that this has had quite an impact on Ben. I know you asked him how he was doing, and I want to play some of that sound.
16:14Tracy Smith:Through this all, you've managed to show such perseverance. You've been so strong through all of this. What has kept you going?
16:26I want to get back to where I was.
16:33Tracy Smith:What do you mean by that? What do you want to be able to do? I know it sounds dumb, but I want to dunk a basketball. That doesn't sound dumb. That basketball was so important to you. You want to be able to dunk. You could dunk before. So you want to be able to dunk again.
16:57Anne-Marie Green:You know, Tracy, sometimes we can be distracted by a person's presentation, right? His speech is a little slower. It's a little tougher for him to move his body. We can see in the hour. But when he speaks, and I obviously never knew Ben until watching this, but you can almost see who he was before this when he speaks, you know? Oh, yeah.
17:22Tracy Smith:I so agree. I so agree. And getting out and playing pickleball with him really gave me a chance to see who he was, that strength. I mean, he absolutely kicked my rear end in pickleball. And it's funny, like that of all sports for this young guy to be into, but he started it in rehab. They had this group of other people who had suffered spinal injuries, brain injuries, and they would all get together to play. And he really took to it. So he's kept playing. And he and his mom have actually joined a group of older people playing pickleball. And they joke that the older people beat them all the time.
17:56Tracy Smith:But my guess is that's not going to be for long.
17:59Anne-Marie Green:No, definitely not. You know that I have a teenager at home, and in watching this hour, it really made me think, you have to be on your teenagers all the time. And I certainly have been guilty of, I don't know, everything that my kid looks up online. I'm constantly surprised by her awareness of things in the world. And when I ask her where she got it from, she says social media or YouTube. But I just hope when parents watch this, they realize, like, it is okay to be nosy. You know, get up in that computer and see what your kid is looking up and what they are writing on social media. That rings for me.
18:36Tracy Smith:I have teenagers, too. And that idea that we need to be on them and we need to sometimes be the parent and not the friend and say no has stayed with me.
18:47Anne-Marie Green:Yeah. Well, I hope that this is one of the messages that people get when they watch The Hour. I'm glad that the victims' families and Ben did not have to go through a trial. But I would have been very interested in hearing the argument and counter argument and whether or not it would hold up as a defense. It's a very unique case, Tracy. Thank you so much. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for having me. If you like this episode, please rate and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
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48 Hours correspondent Anne-Marie Green and CBS News correspondent Tracy Smith discuss the case of Connor Hilton. He was a 17-year-old in 2023 when he shot two teen boys and claimed his prescription acne medication drove him to kill. They dig into the science behind Hilton’s defense, his demeanor in interviews, and the survivor story of Benjamin Bliek, who believes that Hilton’s actions had nothing to do with his medication.
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