Presenting the Lindbergh Conspiracies

1 Jun 2026 · 40 min · 15 chapters

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In short

The podcast episode “The Broken Window” opens The Lindbergh Conspiracies by arguing that the 1932 Lindbergh baby kidnapping and murder (Charles Lindbergh’s 20-month-old son) was not convincingly explained by the official case against Bruno Richard Hauptmann, and that key evidence suggests possible insider involvement.

Guest backgrounds

Joe Nocero (Free Press host). Jim Davidson (collects Lindbergh memorabilia; attended/learned of the 1936 execution party). Robert Zorn (claims he knows who kidnapped the baby; “accidental detective” framing). Ronnell Delmont (ran The Lindbergh Kidnapping Hoax). Nick Gillespie (Reason editor-at-large; conspiracy “aficionado”). Sarah Rose Siskind (science writer; conspiracy skeptic). Richard Cahill Jr. (lawyer; wrote Houtman’s Ladder). Candace Fleming (YA author on Lindbergh). Greg Algren (former detective; Lindbergh sleuth).

Key claims

warped nursery shutters and a single accessible window; ransom note discovered later; no usable fingerprints; ladder/footprint logistics seem implausible; Lindbergh allegedly limited staff scrutiny and pushed state police to focus on ransom payment; press frenzy may have compromised evidence.

Notable examples

Holtman/Hauptmann execution parties with live broadcast; Hopewell house security warnings; ransom note demanding $50,000 with red circular symbol; body found May 12, 1932 near the home.

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Chapters

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Introduction to Conspiracy Theories

0:00 to 2:52

Explore the prevalence and characteristics of conspiracy theories in America.

“I would stake my entire professional career on the fact that Brigitte Macron, the current first lady of France, was born a man.”

The Execution of Bruno Hauptmann

3:08 to 6:01

Learn about the execution of Bruno Hauptmann and the public's reaction.

“I'm going to start with that execution I mentioned.”

Collecting Lindbergh Memorabilia

6:01 to 8:06

Discover the obsession with the Lindbergh case and its collectors.

“I probably had one of the finest collections in the country.”

The Lindbergh Family's Secluded Life

8:06 to 10:11

Uncover the lifestyle of the Lindbergh family and the circumstances of the kidnapping.

“they think when I die, the case will die.”

The Kidnapping Night

10:11 to 12:00

Delve into the details surrounding the night of the kidnapping.

“Lindbergh's wife, Anne, would note in her diary that every few days, strangers would arrive on the property hoping to get a peek of the family and had to be chased away by Ollie Waitley, their butler.”

The Discovery of the Baby's Disappearance

12:00 to 14:01

Follow the events leading to the discovery of the baby's absence.

“Mariah Fredericks wrote a fine novel called The Lindbergh Nanny, a reimagining of the Lindbergh kidnapping through the eyes of Betty Gao, who was little Lindy's nursemaid, as she was called back then.”

The Kidnapping Unfolds: Clues and Confusion

14:01 to 20:54

Explore the mysterious circumstances surrounding the Lindbergh kidnapping and the clues left behind.

“Strangely, no one else in the house ever reports hearing that sound.”

Anne Morrow's Diary Reflections

20:55 to 21:50

Anne Morrow Lindbergh reflects on the hope and horror following her son's kidnapping.

“Anne Morrow Lindbergh, who wrote a number of books in her lifetime, published one in 1973, titled Hour of Gold, Hour of Lead.”

Public Hysteria and Press Frenzy

21:51 to 26:01

Delve into the media's chaotic coverage of the Lindbergh case and its impact.

“You get your relative back, and I get my money, and we go our separate ways.”

Challenges in Law Enforcement

26:02 to 28:00

Investigate the challenges faced by law enforcement in the Lindbergh case and the key players involved.

“The state police were relatively new and had zero experience handling criminal investigations.”
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The Arrival of Schwarzkopf

28:00 to 30:00

Learn about the initial response to the Lindbergh kidnapping by police.

“Whatever his other skills, though, he knew absolutely nothing about how to investigate a crime.”

Schwarzkopf's Deference to Lindbergh

30:00 to 31:24

Explore Schwarzkopf's relationship with Lindbergh and its implications.

“The answer is that Lindbergh was the most admired man in America.”

Visiting the Crime Scene

31:24 to 35:40

Follow the hosts as they explore the site of the kidnapping and their findings.

“who I know I probably shouldn't call him a bouncer, except that he was, you know, a bouncer.”

Unanswered Questions About the Kidnapping

35:40 to 37:50

Delve into the puzzling questions surrounding the Lindbergh kidnapping.

“How did the kidnapper or kidnappers know that the family would be in Hopewell on a Tuesday night when the Lindberghs were never in Hopewell on a Tuesday night?”

The Discovery of the Body

37:50 to 39:56

Learn about the shocking discovery of Charles Lindbergh Jr.'s body.

“Before we leave you, we need to jump ahead 10 weeks to May 12, 1932.”
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Transcript

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0:00I would stake my entire professional career on the fact that Brigitte Macron, the current first lady of France, was born a man. And I think the real answer is Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel services, probably not American. And we have every right to ask, on whose behalf was he working? Pizzagate is real. The only question is, what exactly is it? And if you look at the numbers, the numbers are false. The numbers are corrupt. It was a rigged election, 100%. And people know it. That's why you have people marching all over the United States right now. They know it was a rigged election.

0:41Conspiracies are like Japanese knotweed. The invasive plant is hollow inside, and it looks innocent enough. And yet, just a little bit of it can rapidly spread up to 10 feet tall. and upend the foundations of whatever it is you're trying to build. You're screwed. The more you try to get rid of it, the more you'll drive yourself mad with finding new areas infested. Clusters of small, cream-colored flowers growing in plumes everywhere you look. And that's what conspiracies do, too. They grow and they grow and they grow until the original foundation has been utterly upended. Conspiracies are now part of American life, of course.

1:28The JFK assassination. A rigged election. The prison cell death of Jeffrey Epstein. It's a very long list. There are so many moments of our shared history where we can't seem to agree on what actually happened. And such is the case of the subject of this podcast, the Lindbergh kidnapping. It took place a very long time ago, 1932. A child of a famous man was kidnapped and then murdered. A German immigrant was eventually charged with the crime and executed. But the case against the accused was far from airtight. And the official explanation of how he pulled it off was so unsatisfying satisfying that people have been filling the void with their own theories ever since.

2:25Some people say it's the original true crime story. Me, I'm calling it the first great American conspiracy. What else would we talk about at night? What else would we keep our wives up late at night talking about if not for the Lindbergh baby case?

2:52I'm Joe Nocero, and from the Free Press, this is The Lindbergh Conspiracies. Episode 1, The Broken Window.

3:08I'm going to start with that execution I mentioned. It's the night of April 3rd, 1936. Bruno Richard Haltman, the man convicted of kidnapping and killing Charles Lindbergh's 20-month-old son, is strapped in the electric chair. He's about to die. Du Bois' father, Charles Lindbergh, is the most famous and most admired man in America. Haltman, who was arrested two years earlier at his home in the Bronx, has become the most hated man in America. With the execution twice delayed, most Americans are anxious. No, they're eager for him to breathe his last breath. In fact, in Trenton, New Jersey, where the execution is taking place, parties are being thrown.

3:58I got interested in the Lindbergh kidnapping from listening to my parents talk about growing up in Trenton and going to a Holtman execution party at the Hotel Hildebreck, where the execution was broadcast live.

4:19There go the witnesses into the New Jersey State Prison at Trenton who are to see Bruno Richard Holtman die for the kidnapping of a Lindbergh baby. And so, silent and stolid, Holtman goes to the chair of doom, paying with his life for the crime that rocked the world. The hotel had a whole ballroom set up with a live band and dancing, and when they flipped the switch, all the lights dimmed in that end of Trenton. By 8.47 p.m., the lights were back at full strength. The deed had been done. Winged words fly by wire and by air tonight so that all may read Fini to the sordid tale. But there are only three words.

5:05Bruno is dead.

5:10The Lindbergh conspiracies didn't start right away. There were people, even back then, who never bought the official line. But they were few and far between. The country was just so relieved that the crime had been avenged. Besides, America was a more innocent place in the 1930s. And people generally didn't believe that prosecutors would stoop so low as to frame an innocent man. But over time, the idea that Haltman had been railroaded by a corrupt government, that became the prevailing view. As well as the obsession of the people who populate this podcast. Like Jim Davidson, the guy whose parents went to the execution party in 1936.

5:58I started collecting Lindbergh memorabilia, and I had so much memorabilia. I probably had one of the finest collections in the country. And then I started collecting pictures. I have over 1 ,000 original pictures of the trial and kidnapping. Just by chance, I ended up buying a house that was directly across from the Lindbergh driveway. And then there's Robert Zorn, who says he knows who really kidnapped the Lindbergh baby. His life's work has been convincing the world that he's right. I found myself in the position of an accidental detective in one of the greatest cold cases in history. In fact, he gets angry at some of the others in this world whose theories differ from his.

6:49They don't care about facts. They don't care whom they hurt. And they will be dealt with. I will be dealing with them very personally and with as large a megaphone as I can possibly find. Or Ronnell Delmont, who used to run the popular website The Lindbergh Kidnapping Hoax. This is drama. This is an opera. This is vaudeville. Here's the thing, though. These people who found themselves caught up in the Lindbergh case, they're not crazy. They're not. The fact is, once you dive into it, once you begin to learn about all the contested facts, all the strange rabbit holes, all the media hysteria, and, not least, the very odd behavior of Charles Lindbergh through it all, you inevitably start asking yourself, what really happened?

7:40In the months that my producer Poppy Damon and I spent in this world, with she and I looking at the same set of facts and conducting the same interviews, we developed very different theories about what had happened. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Ultimately, there's one thing we all agree on, and it comes from Bruno Hauptmann himself. Apparently, he said in one of these letters, they think when I die, the case will die. They think it will be like a book I closed. But the book, it will never close. He was right.

8:19The crime had taken place in a tiny New Jersey town called Hopewell, 15 miles north of Trenton. Months earlier, Charles and his wife Anne Morrow Lindbergh had built a house deep in the woods and were using it as a weekend home. When Poppy and I visited the house not long ago, we were struck by how secluded it is even today. So driving up, it is trees walling each side.

8:48Joe Nocera:Yeah, it's quite a little hike. And the closer you get to it, the more isolated it seems. Can't see the house. You know, it's not like there's nothing indicating it. Driving a half a mile and we still can't see the house. That, in fact, is exactly why Lindbergh chose the spot. Ever since he flew across the Atlantic in 1927, the first person to ever do so, reporters had searched incessantly for any morsel of news about the man that they had labeled the great aviator. His flight was an historic feat of engineering and stamina, the ultimate triumph of the human spirit. We'll tell the story of his astonishing fame in the next episode.

9:32But what you need to know is that pick a celebrity. Taylor Swift, George Clooney, the Beatles. They all look like nobodies in comparison to this man's star power. So he felt hounded by the press. He thought the house in Hopewell would offer him and his family some measure of privacy. But the newspapers had discovered where the house was being built and had published the location. Lindbergh's father-in-law, a wealthy financier and diplomat named Dwight Morrow, had advised him to hire security guards, even warning that the baby will be kidnapped if you don't have better protection. Lindbergh's wife, Anne, would note in her diary that every few days, strangers would arrive on the property hoping to get a peek of the family and had to be chased away by Ollie Waitley, their butler.

10:24Get out of here before I call the police! Yet, when a writer for the Saturday Evening Post visited Lindbergh on the property, he asked that the family needed more security. I'm not worried about intruders. What a terrible misjudgment. And here's another misjudgment. On the only window that was accessible to somebody from the outside had warped shutters. And that was the window that opened into the baby's room, where little Charles Lindbergh Jr. was put to bed that fateful night. Now, here's the weird thing, or I suppose I should say one of the many weird things. On that evening, March 1, 1932, Lindbergh was supposed to make a speech in New York, but he never showed up.

11:14No one knows why. March 1 was also a Tuesday. Ever since the family had begun using the house, they'd always return to Lindbergh's in-laws' home on Monday morning. That's where they lived during the week. This was the first time they'd ever spent a night on a Tuesday, okay? The Lindberghs were extremely guarded about their schedule. How could a kidnapper have possibly known that on that particular Tuesday, little Lindy, as the press called the baby, would be in Hopewell? And why were the Lindberghs in Hopewell that night? Well, for the most ordinary of reasons. Charlie had had a cold and Anne had caught the cold.

11:58She was also pregnant at the time. And she says, I'm exhausted. We're staying put. Mariah Fredericks wrote a fine novel called The Lindbergh Nanny, a reimagining of the Lindbergh kidnapping through the eyes of Betty Gao, who was little Lindy's nursemaid, as she was called back then. She was a key player on the night of the kidnapping. Betty had spent the weekend at the Morrow household in Englewood and was waiting for little Charlie's return. She got a call that morning. Get to Hopewell immediately. When she arrived, she quickly took over the care of the baby. At around 7.30, she and Ann start putting him to bed.

12:39They put him in his little sleepy suit. Because they've stayed longer, he doesn't have adequate clothing, and Betty makes him a little shirt out of her petticoat just on the spot. They want to close the windows for the sick child, but of course they can't. As it turned out, the shutters of that southeast corner window of the nursery were warped. In fact, Betty Gao, the Lindbergh's nursemaid, and Anne Marle Lindbergh, the baby's mother, were trying to pull them shut on the knife and they couldn't do it. They both tried, but her failure to close that shutter will come back. to haunt her. She then goes downstairs and has dinner with Elsie Waitley, who is the cook for the Lindberghs.

13:25The baby falls quickly asleep. Soon, Charles Lindbergh returns home. Or does he? At eight, the family hears the approach of a car, and everyone assumes it's Colonel Lindbergh coming home. But it isn't until around 8.30 that they hear the honk of the horn, which is his signal to the people inside the house, please lift up the garage door. He and Ann have dinner, after which Lindbergh has a bath and then heads down to his study. The exact time of the kidnapping is not known precisely. We do know that Charles Lindbergh reported hearing a cracking sound at one point when he was in a study beneath the nursery, he described it as a cracking, like the slats on orange crates, I believe is the way he referred to it.

14:14Strangely, no one else in the house ever reports hearing that sound. Nor does Lindbergh get up from his chair to see if something's happened outside. There was a dog in the house. He doesn't bark. So it's not until 10 o 'clock or so that Betty Gow walks upstairs to see how the baby is doing. As is the family custom, Betty goes to check on Charlie and discovers that he is gone. She went first to Ann Lindberg to see if she had taken the child, and she hadn't. Ann thought at first that her husband might have hidden the child as a practical joke. Believe it or not, that's something he'd done before.

14:53And then she went downstairs to see Charles, who was down in the study, and she said, you know, Mr. Lindberg, do you have the baby? When he tells her no, he runs upstairs himself. And get this, even before he enters the bedroom, he shouts, Anne, they've kidnapped our baby. He grabs a loaded rifle and a flashlight, and he races outdoors to search the grounds. But he finds nothing. When the kidnapping took place, there were three clues. A Bucks Brothers three-quarters wood chisel. They didn't know if it belonged to a carpenter there who was used to try to pry the window open. So, clue one, chisel.

15:36Underneath the window, they found ladder impressions. Basically, two impressions where the ladder had sunk into the mud. They found a set of footprints leading away from the ladder. They followed him about 70 to 75 feet away, and they found part of a ladder, two pieces of a ladder. Clue two, the ladder. I mean, the ladder is a really crucial piece of evidence. Yeah. Because you know the ladder is involved, right? because that seems, you know, the way that the kidnapper got in and maybe got out. I spoke to my friend Nick Gillespie, editor-at-large at Reason Magazine, about the latter. He's a conspiracy, I guess you'd say, aficionado.

16:18And you'll be hearing from him and his wife, the science writer Sarah Rose Siskind, who is a conspiracy skeptic throughout the show. It's quite a marriage they've got. It's this tantalizing, I think in a contemporary context, The latter is fascinating because it is clearly important and it clearly is inscrutable. And then there's one other clue that will become the focus of almost a century of investigation. The ransom note. Ransom note. Ransom note. Ransom. Ransom note. They found a ransom note up in my baby's room. The ransom note was simple in its demands. Give us$50 ,000 and you'll get your baby back.

16:59This was the Great Depression, and the Lindberghs had money. The note was written in broken English, and there was a strange red circular symbol at the bottom of it. We warn you for making anything public or for notify the police. But here's another curious fact. When Benny Gow and Ann Lindbergh first went up to the baby's bedroom, they didn't see a ransom note. It was only later, when Lindbergh himself went up there, that he discovered it. It was sitting on the windowsill, which leads to another puzzling question. There was a howling wind that night. If an envelope with a ransom note in it was sitting by a warped shutter, and it was, how was it not swept to the floor by the wind?

17:48Also, kind of curious, Lindbergh didn't open the envelope to read the ransom demand. He waited for the police to arrive.

18:01Outside, the imprint of the ladder in the ground showed that it had been placed to the right of the window. Its height meant that it had to be at least two feet below the sill. To climb into the bedroom from that position and then climb out again with a baby in hand, you'd practically have to be an Olympic gymnast. They found the ladder on the ground 75 feet away, which means the kidnapper would have had to drag a heavy ladder with a baby under his arm. It just doesn't seem plausible. You want more? We got more? At the time, they had a dresser in front of the window with a small suitcase on it and toys on that.

18:48And all of those were intact. So they decided that if somebody got up there, either through the front door, or somehow made it up the ladder, somebody had to pass the baby out. Not surprisingly, one of the big questions that's always surrounded the kidnapping is whether it was an inside job. Had Betty Gao handed the child down to somebody on the ladder instead of putting little Charlie to bed? Had the cook or the butler, a husband and wife team, been involved somehow? Did someone working for the Lindberghs sell the family out to make some money? When the Lindberghs were away during the week, Ollie Waitley, the butler, sometimes gave tours of the house to strangers who showed up wanting to get a peek of the famous family.

19:40Had he accidentally allowed the house to be staked out by a future intruder? When I saw that Ollie Waitley had given tours of the Hopewell house to sightseers, I thought, oh, that's a bit odd. And when the police got to work, they found other things that were fishy as well. The fingerprint man arrived who checked the room for fingerprints and said there were no fingerprints. Seriously, no fingerprints? I should say, none that were usable at least. The lack of prints led investigators to conclude that the kidnappers wore gloves. The fact that there were no fingerprints in the room meant that that room had been wiped.

20:20I mean, otherwise, why wouldn't Betty Gall's fingerprints be on the crib, or the mother's, or the father's, or anybody? The bureau, the crib, the window, the window sill, any of those hard surfaces that are... Why was the room wiped? And so there you have it. A family that wasn't supposed to be there. A window that was warped and left open. A baby taken. A ladder, a chisel, and a ransom note left behind. And two parents, desperate for answers.

20:55Anne Morrow Lindbergh, who wrote a number of books in her lifetime, published one in 1973, titled Hour of Gold, Hour of Lead. It's a collection of her diary entries and letters from the year before her son was kidnapped and the year after. She writes that she found herself startled as she reread the letter she wrote to friends and family right after the kidnapping. It was, of course, a nightmare. When I first reread them, I was shocked and bewildered. How could I have been so self-controlled, so calm, so factual in the midst of horror and suspense? And above all, how could I have been so hopeful?

21:38That line jumps out because it's a reminder that despite her horror at discovering her son missing, there was hope that night. Surely, they all thought, the baby would be returned. Kidnappings were common during the Depression, and it was usually a straightforward transaction. You get your relative back, and I get my money, and we go our separate ways. Kidnapping wasn't even a federal crime Until after little Lindy was taken The police speculated earlier It was, I think, poor speculation But they speculated earlier That maybe the mob was involved in this Because it wasn't uncommon for Famous people to have children kidnapped by the mob This is lawyer Richard Cahill Jr.

22:19Whose book on the kidnapping is titled Houtman's Ladder As long as you followed the instructions You'd get your kid back But this, by any reasonable looking Was done by an amateur It wasn't done by the mob. If it had been in those days, it would have been done and done properly. This wasn't.

22:34Joe Nocera:In your book, you talk a little bit about how the press covered the Lindbergh case. Oh, it was insane. The entire thing was insane. You have the press on day two, right? As soon as this kidnapping is announced, as soon as the press gets wind of it, you have all this press from New York City and other places descending on the Lindbergh home. That's Candace Fleming. She wrote a young adult book about Lindbergh. And when things get cordoned off by the police, and you have press that are climbing trees trying to climb over walls, and you have regular citizens as well creeping up to the house through all these woods.

23:13And you think about that, the first time I read it made me sick, because I thought, all that evidence, right? That no one had gone out into the woods yet. Here's Richard Cahill again. One of the things that happened is somehow, nobody knows for sure, It could have been an operator. It could have been someone in law enforcement. This got leaked on the night of the kidnapping to the press, and the press descended on the house. And two of the detectives, they saw press walking all over the place and looking at stuff and picking it up. So they picked up the evidence and took it inside to preserve it.

23:42But any footprints evidence is compromised. Any other evidence, you know, fingerprint evidence is compromised. So that makes it difficult. It's nearly impossible to exaggerate the frenzy that overtook the fourth estate when it learned of the kidnapping. The New York Evening Post declared,

24:04A Hearst reporter named Adela Rogers wrote,

24:17And the humorist, Will Rogers.

24:25The competition was fierce, with the relatively new medium of radio competing with newspapers for scoops. Every edition, you had newspapers that hired ambulances so that they could snap pictures and write copy and then race back to the city in this ambulance blaring at sirens so that they could get a brand new story out for the evening edition. As much as Lindbergh found reporters intolerable, he was willing to use the press to help him get his son back. Or so he hoped. Newspaper stories and ads conveyed messages to the kidnappers. And even issued a list of the food her son should eat so the kidnappers would know what to feed him.

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25:06And the day after the kidnapping, Lindbergh issued an extraordinary statement to the press in which he offered a reward of$50 ,000 for the safe return of his child. But then he went further, saying that he himself was prepared to meet with the kidnappers. We further pledge ourselves that we will not try to injure in any way those connected with the return of the child. He was effectively telling the kidnappers that they would not be prosecuted if they gave back little Lindy. Of course, Charles Lindbergh had no authority to offer the kidnappers immunity, but he did it anyway. Who would dare challenge the great aviator?

25:54By early morning, the local cops, and there were only two of them, had been pushed aside by the New Jersey State Police. The state police were relatively new and had zero experience handling criminal investigations. Pretty soon, state troopers were the ones swarming all over the Lindbergh property, turning the garage into a temporary police headquarters and bunking in the main house. In a letter to her mother-in-law, Anne Morrow Lindbergh described the scene. This house is bedlam. Hundreds of men stamping in and out, sitting everywhere. On the stairs, on the pantry sink, the telephone goes all day and night.

26:33People sleep all over the floors, on newspapers and blankets. The chief of the Jersey police has not been able to sleep since the thing started. I wish I had more to tell you. I know it is a terrible strain on you. It is easier to be in the place where things are happening, even if you can't do anything. I am in that position. The chief Anne was referring to was Colonel H. Norman Schwarzkopf, and his official title was commander of the New Jersey State Police. Yes, he was the father of Storman Norman Schwarzkopf of the First Gulf War. A decorated World War I veteran, he had founded the Jersey State Police in 1921.

27:14Its first big task was catching bootleggers. And he had trained the first few classes of troopers himself. In fact, if you visit the state police headquarters, one of the first things you see is this statue looming over the grounds.

27:28Joe Nocera:What have you spotted, Jay? Well, I've spotted a statue of Colonel Norman Schwarzkopf. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, the first superintendent of the New Jersey State Police, right? So, anyway... He's wearing kind of boots, breeches. He looks, he's got a mustache. He looks very 1930s, doesn't he? Schwarzkopf was 36 when little Lindy was kidnapped. Tall, broad-shouldered, and always impeccably dressed in his gray uniform and polished boots, he carried himself with the rigid confidence of the military man he'd once been. Whatever his other skills, though, he knew absolutely nothing about how to investigate a crime.

28:10When Schwarzkopf was appointed as head of the New Jersey State Police, this fledgling organization, they're inventing the organization as they go along. That's Patrick Bamarack. I'm the great-grandnephew of New Jersey Governor Harold Hoffman. He knows all about Schwarzkopf because the two men hated each other. In fact, his great-granduncle fired Schwarzkopf in 1936. He's not a law enforcement person. He's a military man who understands vehicles, logistics, maneuvering in the field. He was not the right man for the job. When the call about the Lindbergh kidnapping reached Schwarzkopf, he jumped in his police car and drove through the night, the gravel crunching beneath his tires as he arrived at the Lindbergh estate.

28:57Stepping into the house, Schwarzkopf surveyed the room with a commanding presence. He introduced himself. griskly. I'm here to take charge. This case is now under the jurisdiction of the New Jersey State Police. What he was doing, of course, was claiming turf. He was especially keen on keeping away another fledgling organization, the FBI, and its press-savvy young leader, J. Edgar Hoover. He saw to it that a high-level Treasury investigator was pulled off the case. But the one person he didn't keep away, quite shocking really, was Charles Lindbergh himself. Anyone who looks into the Lindbergh kidnapping today is bound to be astonished at how deferential Schwarzkopf was to Lindbergh.

29:44It was simply assumed by Schwarzkopf and everyone else in America, for that matter, that Lindbergh couldn't possibly be involved in his own son's kidnapping. Greg Algren is a former detective turned Lindbergh kidnapping sleuth. And I think now we know that probably the parents should be looked at as much as anybody else. So why didn't that happen? The answer is that Lindbergh was the most admired man in America. Schwarzkopf, for his part, practically worshipped the famous aviator. I would do anything he asked of me, Schwarzkopf was once quoted as saying. So when Lindbergh told him that the priority should be on seeing to it that the ransom was paid, even if it meant the kidnappers got away with it, Schwarzkopf did not object.

30:35And when Lindbergh also told him that his household staff was above reproach and that he wouldn't allow the state police to consider them potential suspects, Schwarzkopf went along with that as well. But, I mean, if you couldn't demand answers from Lindbergh's staff, How were you ever going to find out if someone on the inside had been involved? On a warm, cloudless fall day, Poppy and I visited the scene of the crime. It had taken us weeks to get this visit approved. The Lindbergh home is now a halfway house for teenage girls. For several decades, at least, it's been owned by the state of New Jersey.

31:17And visits from curious journalists, I can tell you, are not encouraged. In fact, when we arrived, we were met by a very large human being who I know I probably shouldn't call him a bouncer, except that he was, you know, a bouncer. He ordered us back to our car and told us not to return until we'd gotten rid of all of our electronic gear, including our phones. When we were finally allowed in, we were introduced to a young resident who served as our guide. But our bouncer was never far behind.

31:51Joe Nocera:I've lost my nerve. What can I do? I've totally lost my nerve. What the hell? Now, I got to tell you, being followed by this guy who could break our necks in an instant, it did not instill in me the warm and fuzzies. Let's be honest, Poppy. It was not my finest moment as a journalist. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Poppy and I debriefed afterwards. What happened, Joe, when we went inside? So she takes us upstairs and takes us into what, in 1931, was Charles Lindbergh Jr.'s bedroom. It was a large room. It had the window still there. And what was immediately kind of observable, it's quite a distance to cross out of the window, over to the crib and out again.

32:39And then when we were on the ground floor looking up, it was very clear that it'd be hard to know what window. It's hard to, there's so many windows, it's huge. You'd need to know which one.

32:49Joe Nocera:Right, which is, of course, one more reason to think there was an insider involved. It's just, it's implausible that somebody shows up there out of nowhere and picks exactly the right window when there are a dozen second floor windows in various places around the house. We then walked downstairs. There were two more rooms we were allowed to see. a library, and what had once been Betty Gow's bedroom, which was to the left of the library and just below the baby's bedroom. We did a bit of a sound test. So we shut the doors, I went up the stairs, just to see if someone had come through the front, would they have heard?

33:27And you said you could hear.

33:29Joe Nocera:Right. And don't forget that there are a series of theories around this that, in fact, they never did go up the ladder, and that whoever kidnapped the child actually did it by going up the stairs taking the child out of the bed and either coming down the stairs with the child or handing it off to somebody who was on a ladder. Yeah, and I think I agree. I mean, if we'd open the front door and then you could hear right through, it's just right there. It's just impossible. They had to go through the window. Right. Yes, that's right, because the stairs are right next to the library. And, you know, that's where the family and the servants were sitting, you know, talking when it happened.

34:12We then asked the young woman whether she felt, you know, noise carried, and she said it kind of did. Now, everyone says it was a windy night, but it is hard to imagine that if the baby had cried or cried out, that they wouldn't be heard from where they were sitting. I kind of wonder if, I don't know, again, was it an insider that the baby recognized? Back outside, we looked up at the window again. The other thing we observed was that looking up at the window, it's not a huge height. I wouldn't be scared to go on a ladder to that window.

34:43Joe Nocera:Yeah, I agree with you on that. The issue then still becomes, though, you know, how difficult was it to crawl in to the room from wherever the ladder happened to be positioned? It would have been difficult. Yeah, I don't know. Like, an athletic man, I think, could get in. Good upper body strength, you just pull yourself in from the ledge. It's a solid window to pull yourself in. Easy for you to say, Poppy. Can you see what's happening here? Poppy and I, we couldn't have been at the house for more than an hour. And yet, you know, here we are now. Our minds are just flooded with questions and theories and arguments about how in the world the strangest of kidnappings took place.

35:28And now we really do understand why all the people we're interviewing got so hooked on the Lindbergh case. Because you know something? We're hooked too.

35:41Let's do a quick review. How did the kidnapper or kidnappers know that the family would be in Hopewell on a Tuesday night when the Lindberghs were never in Hopewell on a Tuesday night? Why was Lindbergh so hell-bent on keeping his staff from being interviewed? How did the kidnappers know which room the baby was sleeping in? How did he know which window, which was the only window in the whole house that didn't latch? and there was only a temp made at one window because there's only one set of ladder imprints in the mud. So whoever put that ladder up against the house knew that that was the only window you could get in.

36:17How would he have known that? Was it really possible for the kidnapper to pull himself into the baby's room using that ladder and then carry the baby out without being heard? Either somebody inside of the house, there were only five people in the house, took the baby out of the crib and walked out the front door and then somebody was outside and they gave that baby to somebody outside. Or somebody put the ladder outside and then somebody from inside the house picked the baby out of the crib and handed it to somebody on the ladder. Why didn't Lindbergh check outside when he heard that cracking noise?

36:49Why didn't the baby cry out? Why didn't the family dog bark? They had a dog that barked at everything named Wagush. Wagush didn't bark. Why did Charles Lindbergh skip that dinner in Manhattan that night? Lindbergh had a speaking engagement at the Waldorf Astoria in Midtown Manhattan at 6 p.m. on Tuesday, March 1st, 1932. Not only was he a no-show, he left a room full of people waiting to hear him speak. And instead of speaking there, he drove to Hopewell. What should it make of the fact that Lindbergh had previously hidden the child from Anne and Betty Gao as a practical joke? I mean, that's an awful—that's something that would jump out at any law enforcement investigator.

37:29Did the tours the butler gave to gate crashers allow someone a chance to scope out the house? Why was Lindbergh so insistent that the FBI be kept away? Why? Why? Why? The questions are endless.

37:50Before we leave you, we need to jump ahead 10 weeks to May 12, 1932. Most of the press has left Hopewell. About four miles from the Lindbergh mansion, a truck driver named William Allen pulls over to the side of the road. He has to pee. He steps cautiously into the undergrowth. His boots sink slightly into the soft ground. He moves a few paces deeper, past some trees, when he spots something. It's a strange shape, nearly entirely hidden by branches and moss. As Alan moves closer, his chest tightens. He suddenly realizes that what he's seeing is a child's body. He freezes in horror, stops breathing for a second.

38:40He sees a fractured skull and a face that's half decomposed and half still recognizable. He hurries back to the car and he tells his partner to take a look. When his partner returns with the same horror in his eyes, they know what they have to do. They rush into town and report what they found. The police retrieve the body and take it to the morgue. They're pretty sure they know whose body it is. Betty Gao is brought to the station and shown the corpse. Sure enough, she identifies it as Charles Lindbergh Jr. The great aviator confirms it as well. This is no longer a kidnapping case. It's now a murder investigation.

39:26There are two shocks in that six-and-a-half-week period, where one is the shock of the kidnapping in March, and then on May 12, 1932, when the body is discovered that afternoon, that's the second shock. Despite the greatest manhunt in history, the baby's murder was not discovered until his little body was found here in the woods near his home two months later. This area had been searched thoroughly and nothing had been found. So where in the world did that body come from? That's next time.

From the publisher

Veteran reporter Joe Nocera, of The Free Press, investigates a 94-year-old murder case that deserves a second look: the kidnapping and murder of Charles Lindbergh, Jr. Little Lindy was the infant son of the most famous man in the world at the time: an aviator who had achieved impossible feats. Unsurprisingly, the case was a media sensation in 1932: especially when German immigrant Bruno Hauptmann was tried and executed for the crime. Hauptmann professed his innocence to the end: but could he have been telling the truth? This is a series that asks: was this case America's first great conspiracy?

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