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Podcast Episode Notes: "48 Hours" - Prime Suspect
Episode Overview
- Podcast Title: 48 Hours
- Episode Title: Prime Suspect
- Episode Air Date: 1/14/2004
- Correspondent: Susan Spencer
- Summary: This episode explores the tragic case surrounding Cassie Herring and Billy Fox, whose lives were irrevocably altered after the death of their infant son, Cameron. As authorities investigate, Billy becomes the prime suspect, leading to a tumultuous legal battle and family struggle.
Key Characters
- Cassie Herring: A mother of two and the partner of Billy Fox, deeply committed to her family.
- Billy Fox: A devoted father and soccer coach, accused of murdering his infant son.
- Cameron Herring: The couple's seven-month-old son whose tragic death sparks the investigation.
- Patrick Herring: Cassie's former husband and the father of her two children.
Main Events
- The Family's Blended History:
- Cassie and Billy blend their families, both being single parents.
- They experience initial happiness with their newborn Cameron.
- Cameron's Death:
- On May 11, 2001, Cameron suffers a fatal injury after a fall.
- The family's perception of the accident diverges from the medical community, which suspects foul play.
- Investigation and Charges:
- Medical professionals insist Cameron's injuries point to abuse, leading to Billy being charged with injury to a child.
- Cassie staunchly defends Billy, believing the tragedy is a result of the accidental fall.
- Legal Struggles:
- As investigations unfold, Cassie is forced to fight for custody of her remaining children.
- Billy's trial looms, with his innocence hanging in the balance.
- Trial Dynamics:
- The prosecution and defense present conflicting medical opinions regarding Cameron's injuries.
- The defense argues that Cameron's injury could be attributed to the fall, while the prosecution insists it suggests abuse.
- Plea Deal:
- Days before the trial, Billy is offered a plea deal that he initially refuses but later accepts out of fear of the unknown.
- Social Services Interference:
- Following Cameron's death, Child Protective Services intervenes, leading to the removal of Billy and Cassie's newborn Bailey from their custody.
- Family Fallout:
- The emotional toll on the family is profound, with Cassie losing custody of Peyton and facing visitation restrictions with Bailey.
- Resolution:
- After significant upheaval, CPS recommends reunification with Bailey, despite lingering doubts about the parents' involvement in Cameron's death.
Key Themes
- Innocence vs. Guilt: The episode highlights the struggle between public perception of guilt and the private belief in innocence, especially from family members.
- Maternal Instinct: Cassie's determination to protect her family underscores the theme of maternal love amid tragedy.
- Justice System Failures: Explores the complexities and challenges within the justice system as it grapples with child injury and death cases.
- Family Dynamics: The impact of legal and social services on blended families creates a narrative of loss and resilience.
Key Quotes
- "I'm not a baby killer." - Billy Fox asserting his innocence.
- "Taking a newborn baby away from its mother is a pretty drastic step." - A quote reflecting the severity of CPS interventions.
Conclusion The "Prime Suspect" episode of *48 Hours* provides a gripping examination of a family's tragedy and the ensuing legal battle, framed within the broader context of societal and familial complexities. The episode challenges listeners to reflect on the nature of justice, the perception of innocence, and the resilience of familial bonds in the face of devastating loss.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Family's Joyful Beginning
1:21 to 3:16
Exploring Cassie and Billy's initial happiness as a blended family.
“I've been a single dad for over four years.”
The Tragic Incident
3:16 to 5:45
The events leading up to Cameron's injury and subsequent hospital visit.
“a few years after his divorce, when Skyler was 8 and James was 11.”
Cameron's Decline and Death
5:45 to 9:14
The critical moments that led to Cameron's death and the family's devastation.
“X-rays showed no skull fractures, and doctors told Cassie her son would be fine, but to bring him back if his condition worsened.”
Investigation and Accusations
9:14 to 12:02
The investigation into Cameron's death and the accusations against Billy.
“It's like the more the time goes on, the more I think, I don't have my baby.”
Defending Billy Fox
12:02 to 14:02
Billy's defense against the charges and the differing medical opinions.
“What they're going on is an autopsy report that labels this as a homicide.”
Medical Expert Testimonies on Cameron's Death
14:02 to 15:12
Learn about differing expert opinions regarding the cause of Cameron's injuries.
“You know, I see how they react with their own children.”
The Prosecution's Case Against Billy
15:13 to 16:38
Explore the prosecution's theory and the implications of expert disagreements.
“Bolstered their case that Cameron was injured on Sunday, the state turned to Dr.”
Cassie's Struggle for Custody of Peyton
16:39 to 18:59
Discover Cassie’s emotional battle to retain custody of her son amidst the trial.
“Thinking of, you know, like, you're going to lose your dad kind of thing, that's a really good feeling.”
Billy's Community Support and Reinstatement
19:00 to 24:10
Understand the community's response to Billy's charges and his reinstatement as a coach.
“My sole purpose is to raise my children and take care of them.”
The Birth of Bailey and CPS Intervention
24:11 to 28:00
Learn about the birth of Bailey and the subsequent involvement of Child Protective Services.
“But Billy knows it's a small victory in a bigger battle.”
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Suspicions Surround Cameron's Injury
28:00 to 29:16
Explore the complexities of the investigation into Cameron's injuries and the shifting suspicions around the parents.
“But Child Protective Services said that wouldn't help.”
Cassie's Unusual Arrangement
29:16 to 30:45
Delve into Cassie's challenging situation as she navigates feeding arrangements for her newborn amidst turmoil.
“We feel like there is evidence there that suggests that Cassie may have been responsible for the death of Cameron.”
Billy's Struggles Before Trial
30:45 to 33:19
Understand the emotional impact on Billy as he prepares for trial and the challenges he faces amid the accusations.
“Then it's back out to the van for Cassie until the next feeding.”
The Plea Deal Dilemma
33:19 to 35:13
Examine the critical moments leading up to Billy's decision on the plea deal offered before his trial.
“I think he's getting readier and readier.”
Custody Battles and Family Dynamics
35:13 to 37:09
Explore the ongoing custody battles and the dynamics of Billy and Cassie's family as they seek a new beginning.
“unexpectedly offer Billy Fox a phenomenal deal.”
Reflections on Loss and Recovery
37:09 to 39:16
Reflect on the impact of Cameron's death on the family and their journey toward healing and stability.
“And I'm going to fight till the day I die for my son.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:09This is Cassie Herring, a mother who's lost custody of her newborn baby, sleeping outside so she can breastfeed her infant every few hours. I'm coming. But that's not where this remarkable story begins. Cassie fell in love with Billy Fox, a dad great with kids. It was funny, nice, loving. They became a family, happy, growing. With Cameron, he was a perfect baby. Then, one Friday night, everything changed. It sounded like they hit hard. He let out a gasp of air.
0:45Susan Spencer:He just ran in. He was frightened. I tried to do rescue breathing for him. Billy and Cassie say Cameron's death was a tragic accident. But as Susan Spencer reports, that's not how the doctors see it. Somebody in that family killed this child. Billy is accused. Not a baby killer. Cassie swears he's innocent. And then she's forced to give up her other children. Taking a newborn baby away from its mother is a pretty drastic step. But is it all a tragic mistake? 48 Hours Investigates. Crime Suspect.
1:28I've been a single dad for over four years. Come on Rocky. Get it. I don't go fishing, hunting. That's my hobby. My kids and their friends and, you know, coaching soccer. Good shot Vicki. 33 year old Billy Fox, father of two, soccer coach. One, two, three, go, go, go! To all appearances, an all-around regular guy.
1:57Susan Spencer:Officer Harold, police department. But Billy Fox is about to turn himself in to the police. His mother and girlfriend Cassie look on as police book him in the death of a baby, A charge that could put him in prison for the rest of his life. He has a soccer coach, raised his kids, and it's wrong. It's really wrong.
2:31Cross it! Let's get in!
2:34Susan Spencer:Let's get in! Billy Fox may be one of the last people in Wichita Falls, Texas, you'd ever think would hurt a child. Friends say that when he's not coaching soccer, Billy is a devoted single dad. He has full custody of his kids, Skylar and James. He did everything. He cleaned house, he cooked. My dad was a good cook, though. like he was better at the more cookout kind of stuff. Just a regular dad, he's funny, nice, loving, big time. What attracted me so much to Billy is what a wonderful father he was. Cassie Herring first met Billy in the fall of 2000, a few years after his divorce, when Skyler was 8 and James was 11.
3:22Our first date was Halloween and we took the kids, the neighborhood kids trick-or-treating. Cassie also was raising two kids on her own. Here's the first picture of Peyton and Cameron. Peyton was two years old. Cameron was, he weighed seven pounds, four ounces, perfect complexion. And Cameron, a newborn. Cassie and her husband had split up a few months before his birth. With Cameron, I loved him like he was my own. And he, to me, was, he was a perfect baby. Here's Scott, here's your dad's. In a matter of months, they all were under one roof.
3:58Susan Spencer:Having little brothers, that was fun. I got to teach them to do stuff. Peyton, he just started gradually calling my dad, dad. It felt like life was really kind of getting better to where, like, I got a mom, I got a bigger family kind of thing. It just felt natural. We were on our way to being a great, happy family. But in less than six months, events would shatter this new family.
4:33May 11, 2001. The kids were outside playing basketball and playing in the yard. A Friday, around dinner time, an ordinary evening. Seven-month-old Cameron was playing on the living room floor.
4:54When Billy's son James came inside, Billy asked him to pick up Cameron and bring him to the kitchen. I was folding clothes on the table, on our little kitchen table. And how did you trip? I tripped on my shoelaces. Cameron's head hit the kitchen floor. Concrete covered by a layer of tile. And Cassie was getting frantic because we heard them hit. that it sounded like they hit hard. Fearing that Cameron was badly hurt, they rushed him to the emergency room at United Regional Health Care. When you got to the hospital, what did the doctors tell you? He treated me like I was an idiot. I mean, like there was nothing wrong with him and I knew something was wrong.
5:40I remember his eyes rolled in the back of his head and that really scared me. And he had some phone coming out of his mouth. X-rays showed no skull fractures, and doctors told Cassie her son would be fine, but to bring him back if his condition worsened. Were you satisfied when you left the hospital that it was going to be okay? I felt uneasy, but I believed the doctor. I felt reassured by the doctor.
6:10But the next day, Billy and Cassie both say Cameron just wasn't himself. On Saturday, we went to the Y thinking that he would want to swim and, you know, would be happy in the water because he loved the water. And it was like he didn't even, you know, he didn't even want to do anything. It's like he doesn't even know who we are, like he has amnesia. Did you think about going back to the doctor? I just trusted what the doctor said. I went with the understanding that he said he's going to be a little groggy. One day later, Sunday around 5 o 'clock, Cassie and Schuyler decided to go shopping. When they left, Billy and Peyton were on the couch watching cartoons.
6:58Cameron was asleep in his crib. Cameron woke up, so I went back there and got Cameron out of his crib, made Cameron a bottle, and tried to feed it to him. And then, says Billy, within seconds, Cameron began to have a seizure. He took about two sips, and his hands started twitching, and he let out a gasp of air like he was choking. And so I just immediately picked him up. Billy rushed the baby to a neighbor, a nurse who lived right down the street. Why didn't you call 911? want. Because he wasn't breathing and I knew that I had a registered nurse four houses down.
7:43Susan Spencer:He just ran in. He was frightened. He was scared to death. Tammy Edwards was getting ready for work. I took the baby from him and I laid him down over here on the couch and I tried to do rescue breathing for him. And she couldn't get his airway, he couldn't get air to his airway. Each breath that I could not get in, I just looked at him and I said, Billy, this is not good. When he went limp, I didn't know. I just, I'll probably never have another feeling like that in my entire life. And I just looked at him and told him to call 911. An ambulance arrived within minutes and sped Cameron to the hospital.
8:38I was in shock. I was terrified. Cassie raced to the emergency room, only to discover that Cameron was about to be flown to Fort Worth, Texas. By the time she and Billy got there to Cooks County Hospital, there was little hope. I think that was like the last time, I guess, I mean, I knew something was really, really bad. Cameron Herring, not yet eight months old, died the next day. It's like the more the time goes on, the more I think, I don't have my baby. I don't have my child and he doesn't have his mommy. But how did Cameron really die? Somebody shook this child very violently. I just don't see it that way.
9:32The medical experts weigh in. Billy Fox is the prime suspect. I'm not a baby killer. Is he telling all he knows?
10:02I mean I remember sitting in the emergency room and everything collapsed. Cassie Herring is sure her son's death is a result of a fall Friday night when his head struck the kitchen floor. I mean, I remember I kept telling everybody, you just don't understand. It's from Friday night. It's from Friday night. No, it's not an accidental sort of thing. It's, I'm angry. I'm shaking. But neurologist Jeffrey McLaughlin and several other doctors who examined Cameron are convinced that the baby's fatal injury had nothing to do with his fall on Friday. Having been dropped two days before doesn't give you the picture that we saw that morning in the intensive care unit.
10:45They kept telling us somebody did this, somebody did something to him, and we kept saying, you don't understand, you know, he hit his head Friday night. In fact, police and social workers began their investigation before Cameron even was pronounced dead. It was like their mind had already been made up. No matter what she told the hospital doctors, Cassie says, they insisted. Cameron's death was no accident. Medical examiner Dr. Mark Krause agrees. Somebody in that family killed this child. To me, the evidence is clear and convincing. After completing his autopsy on seven-month-old Cameron, Krause thinks he can pinpoint how and when Cameron died.
11:30He died from a bloodhead injury that was inflicted on the early Sunday afternoon. Whoever was around him at the moment he became unconscious is the person you should be looking at. And who was the last person with Cameron on Sunday before his fatal seizure? Anyone that knows me knows I would never hurt a child. Billy Fox. In December of 2001, Billy Fox was charged with injury to a child. Maximum sentence, life in prison. What they're going on is an autopsy report that labels this as a homicide. All right, fine. Billy hired defense lawyer Bob Estrada. Anyone just come on down? It's already been a hard, grueling road for them.
12:17On top of having a baby die, then the accusing finger's been pointed to them. Billy and his lawyer are up against the medical examiner's report. A damning document. An injury to the part of the brain that you describe causes... Immediate unconsciousness, no regaining of consciousness. Dr. Krause says Cameron's brain injury was so severe, the baby would have been unconscious just seconds after it occurred.
12:50Instantly? Yes, ma 'am. Not 10 minutes? Not 15 minutes? No. Therefore, says Dr. Kraus, that brain injury could not have happened on Friday. Because Cameron never would have survived for two more days. If that part of your brain is injured, you are not walking, you're not talking. I mean, you say someone did this. What do you think someone did? Most likely propelled the child into a relatively soft surface, a padded flooring, couch cushion, mattress, kind of over the shoulder motion, like the guys do spiking a footballer or slam dunk. I didn't do it. You had nothing to do with this child's death.
13:29I love Cameron with all my heart. Not even something that was a freak accident, a sudden outburst of temper, whatever. Nope. Absolutely nothing. It's just as you describe. Bob Estrada believes completely in his client. The last guy in the world that you would figure would do anything like this. insisting that Billy Fox is just not capable of hurting a baby. Why do you strongly believe these people? Well, for one thing, I mean, I've gotten to know them over a period of time. Come on, James. Come on, scholar. You know, I see how they react with their own children. See y 'all tomorrow. I see how Billy is.
14:10And Estrada has found his own experts who look at the same medical records and believe Billy's story. The injuries that this little boy received are entirely consistent with and directly attributable to the fall that he had two days earlier. Dr. Ronald Ucinski, a neurologist who has specialized in pediatric head injuries, Let me have some suction. believes Cameron began to have internal bleeding around his brain after he fell and hit his head on Friday. It was the effect of the blood on the surface of the brain provoking a seizure. When he seized, he obstructed his airway, and he aspirated, and he died.
14:51Nothing in your mind need have happened on Sunday. That's correct. That's absolutely correct. Nothing need have happened on Sunday. You absolutely believe that a child can die from a shortfall, and in fact can die two days later, in essence, from a shortfall. Yes, I do. If little falls could kill us, then none of us would make it to five years old. This doesn't make sense. Bolstered their case that Cameron was injured on Sunday, the state turned to Dr. Randall Alexander, an authority in the field of pediatric head trauma. Somebody, some adult-sized person, shook this child very violently, perhaps also hit their head against something in the process of that, and from that point on the child basically was unconscious and dying.
15:35The prosecution's expert witnesses agree on one thing, someone did something that Sunday. But they disagree exactly as to what. And that could be very confusing for the jury. Dr. Krause thinks the baby was thrown against something soft. A mattress? Mattress. Pillow? Couch cushion. Dr. Alexander thinks he was shaken first. We're talking about shaking, the kind we see with shaken baby syndrome. It looks more like this. Gosh. This is a brain-breaking force. Once they have this, they're not recovering. Attorney Bob Estrada thinks this battle of the experts actually could help his client. If the experts cancel each other out, is the trial going to come down just to whether they believe that this father could do this?
16:21That's my strategy. That's where I think the heart of the trial is. I'm innocent. I'm not a baby killer.
16:36You feel so empty you don't want to go on, but yet you have to go on for your other kids. Thinking of, you know, like, you're going to lose your dad kind of thing, that's a really good feeling. And then, I mean, you've already lost one thing and they're going to take another one away. But even as Cassie, Billy and their kids prepare for a trial that could send Billy away for a long time. We have fought so hard to keep our family together. They're about to face another loss. Authorities now are threatening to take away two-year-old Payton. Tell mommy and mama. Mama. Mommy and mama. Mama.
17:23It's like, I don't even know how to explain it. It's like a big piece of you is missing, and it'll never come back. Cassie Herring has said goodbye to her infant son, Cameron. I never doubted Billy at all. Even the day they told me that my son was brain dead and that they felt like Billy was responsible, I knew he was innocent. But it's quickly apparent that her belief in Billy Fox's innocence will come at a high price. This is Peyton and Karen's favorite toys. They played with it a lot, and they used to fight over it. A court takes away her other son, two-year-old Peyton, contending he could be at risk in the Fox household.
18:06I've got him, and I know he's in safe hands. You know, I know he is. Peyton will live with Patrick Herring, father to both Peyton and Cameron, even though he hasn't seen much of Peyton in the years since his bitter split from Cassie. I was scared to death for Peyton. You know, Cameron's death wasn't an accident. So therefore, I do know that something was wrong and something went wrong in that house. I feel we have done nothing wrong to have Peyton taken away from me. Cassie vows to fight for her son. So we'll put this before the judge and let him make a decision on it. And hires a custody attorney, Deanne Smith, to help her.
18:42I'm going to go in front of the judge and I'm going to tell the judge, I want my son back. I want my son back. I am not going home without my son. From this whole thing, you are guilty until proven innocent. But Billy, facing charges in the death of a baby, you want to be with your family as much as you can be. isn't allowed to see Peyton until his criminal trial is resolved. My sole purpose is to raise my children and take care of them. And Cassie, who is facing no charges, is allowed only a few hours a week with her son. Oh, you got blue stuff on. Give me a kiss, I miss you. And those visits here in this community center must be supervised.
19:23What do you see out there? All the windows have bars on them. The door's locked. There's a video camera up there to make sure I don't try to snatch him or anything. But pretty much as long as you get to visit with your kids, it's all that matters. I'll see you next time. Give me a kiss. Bye, Peyton. Bye. I love you. Love you. Love you.
19:53Okay, you want to help put everything together real quick? Yeah. Just move it right here. When Payton's third birthday rolls around... Is the tape in there? Yeah. Scott, I'll come set these on the table. James, I'm going to give you these balloons and time to strings and chairs or whatever. Cassie goes all out to decorate the community center for a party.
20:17Doesn't he look cute?
20:25Hey! The minutes tick by, but no Peyton. They're not here yet. We're just kind of waiting. Have they heard anything? Finally, Cassie learns that her son is sick. He's got the stomach flu. And won't be able to make his own birthday party. It happens all the time. He's always sick. Always sick. Despite the intense disappointment. He's not going to be here. I guess we'll go ahead and cut a piece. Cassie insists this party is not canceled. She won't have this party even if it's two months from now. Only postponed. Y 'all ready? You ready, James? You ready, Grandma?
21:11A week later, in a desperate attempt to regain custody of Payton, Cassie and her lawyer convince a judge to call an emergency hearing. There they use the birthday party incident to argue that keeping Payton with his father is dangerous to the child's health, pointing out that Payton has been sick a lot recently.
21:32Susan Spencer:We go right here, and so we ask the court to grant Cassie temporary custody until a hearing can be held. Here's all of our originals. It's a desperate move. Go ahead and lay outside the court. And a long shot.
21:51But it works. Oh my God, oh dear, oh God. The court rewards Cassie temporary custody of Payton. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Can they go pick him up now? Thank you so much.
22:13As they get ready to pick up Payton, I just, I cannot wait to get him. They're blindsided. I got a call from Sheriff Callahan. Judge Purcell has rescinded this. After the judge is briefed on the charges against Billy, he changes his mind.
22:28Susan Spencer:Opposing counsel got it rescinded. Peyton will stay with his father. Why did he sign that? I can't tell you, Cassie. Well, let's go home.
22:45I felt like Peyton was ripped away from me, and I'm in a fight till the day I die for my son. As Cassie vows to keep her blended family together, Billy and attorney Bob Estrada prepare for trial. You're charged with injury to a child. The stakes can potentially be very high. Both well aware that a life sentence hangs over Billy's head. Anyone that knows me knows I would never hurt a child. But others in the community do have doubts. The soccer league, where he's coached for years, suddenly bans him from coaching until his criminal trial is resolved. There's not a person I know that doesn't support me.
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23:22The news prompts an outpouring of support from parents, friends and teachers.
23:28Susan Spencer:He's wonderful with my children. You alright? You're not drinking enough water. I've never seen anybody love kids like he did. That was a good shot. Billy was a big fixture here at the school. He was a very involved dad. Two. The response forces the Soccer Association to take another look at Billy's suspension. Bob Black. Bob, I was calling to find out if you'd heard from... Oh, you bet. It's the decision of the committee that your coaching privileges are restored. Okay, well, I appreciate it. Billy is reinstated. So I get to go to practice today and, you know, go back to what I like doing the most.
24:18So I'm really happy. But Billy knows it's a small victory in a bigger battle. When do we quit? Never! To keep his family together. Peyton was my little companion. I still wonder if he even would recognize me. And to prove his innocence. It was the worst feeling in my life. Just all the life drained out of it.
24:57We'll see you next time.
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25:40I just never thought things like that happened. I never thought there was a possibility that Cameron would die or, I mean, I never thought that. Her boyfriend awaits trial in the death of her son, but far from distancing herself from Billy Fox. I never doubted Billy. I knew he was innocent. Cassie Herring makes her commitment to him official.
26:13We've gotten married, I guess. Not only that. Look at all the gifts I got. It's a playpen. It's a playpen deal. But a baby is on the way. I love you. All this. with Billy facing a possible life sentence.
26:33Susan Spencer:He's seven pounds and three ounces. In December 2002, Oh my gosh, you look beautiful. The Fox family welcomes its newest member, Bailey. That's okay. But 12 hours later, Joy turns to sorrow. Can you go get me a Kleenex, please? Is this right here? Armed with a court order, two social workers from Child Protective Services arrive at the hospital to take Bailey, not yet one day old, away from his mother.
27:11The family has an hour to say goodbye. He's so pretty, isn't he?
27:24Leaving that day was almost like I had my heart ripped out. Taking a newborn baby away from its mother is a pretty drastic step. We certainly empathize with the mother, but you have to appreciate our side too. Jeff Wool, the CPS spokesperson for Texas, makes no apologies for the decision, believing Bailey could be at risk in the Fox home. That's our responsibility to make sure that in an investigation like this where a child has died, that the other children are protected. Cassie had offered to leave Billy, move out, and raise Bailey on her own. But Child Protective Services said that wouldn't help.
28:07Why not? Because their experts now believe that Cameron could have been injured an hour or two earlier than they originally thought. That would include time when Cassie was still in the house. And so in their eyes, she is now a suspect too. Cameron woke up and his hands started twitching and he let out a gasp of air. Remember, Billy has said Cameron had his fatal seizure while Cassie was out shopping that fateful day in 2001. Whoever was around him at the moment he became unconscious is the person you should be looking at. And the medical examiner for the state has said that Cameron's brain injury was so severe he would have been unconscious seconds after it occurred.
28:56Instantly? Yes, ma 'am. Instantly. Not 10 minutes? Not 15 minutes? No. But since other experts aren't so absolutely certain as to time, Child Protective Services, CPS, now says it isn't sure who hurt Cameron. Either one of them could have been the ones who actually inflicted the damage. We feel like there is evidence there that suggests that Cassie may have been responsible for the death of Cameron. I mean, that's a case of reasonable doubt, in my mind, right there. To Billy's lawyer, Bob Estrada, CBS's position is a godsend because it so confuses the criminal case against Billy. I have no problem with the fact that they disagree with the police and with the district attorney.
29:42I want them to continue to disagree. Billy's new son, meanwhile, has been placed with his grandmother, Donna. We promised him we'd go by the rules and we do. There's the keys in the car. And Cassie is allowed visits to breastfeed.
30:00It's an unusual arrangement at best. I'm tired. Cassie arrives at Donna's for Bailey's 10 o 'clock feeding.
30:09Susan Spencer:I have an electric blanket plugged in to the outside of the house. She takes the electric blanket and puts it in the car and then goes out there and sleeps in the car. To be there to feed the baby during the night, Cassie must sleep in her van outside.
30:31Susan Spencer:I'm coming. Hello. Hello. She comes in at 1 o 'clock and feeds Bailey. Bailey, are you hungry? 45 minute timed feedings. Are you ready to start taping it? that must be videotaped. Look at that belly.
30:53Susan Spencer:Cassie, Cassie, it's time to go. Then it's back out to the van for Cassie until the next feeding.
31:06Susan Spencer:Every three hours. Are you hungry now? All night. And sometimes it's pretty cold out there too. On this particular evening, it is 21 degrees.
31:28Billy, meanwhile, is allowed only supervised visits with Bailey a few hours a week.
31:34Susan Spencer:He's not the same person he used to be. Right now he's very depressed. Is the stress getting to him? I think it is. And with Billy's upcoming trial, that's what Bob Estrada is worried about. They're going to ask you some questions that are designed to get under your skin. Estrada knows the prosecution will hammer home its argument that Billy Fox is a child killer. Could be a rough trial, could have a verdict of serious consequences. And Billy's most important witness... First of all, dress appropriately. probably will be Billy himself. Good morning. My name is Bob Estrada, and I have the honor of representing Billy Fox before you today.
32:19With just weeks to go, Estrada stages a mini trial to see if a panel of mock jurors will buy Billy's story. Cameron was in the living room playing. Billy runs through the weekend Cameron died. So I told James to bring Cameron to me so that I... Starting with his fall on Friday night. And when he came through, he fell. So we grabbed Cameron and we headed out the door to the emergency room. The doctor told us, he said, well, he's going to be a little dazed. His seizure, Sunday afternoon. Well, then Sunday, he just let out this gasp for air like he was choking. It was the worst feeling in my life.
33:06Just like all the life drained out of it.
33:11Susan Spencer:Just write one through five on each of the direct boxes only. After Billy's testimony, Estrada realizes there is a lot of work ahead. I don't think he's ready today. I think he's getting readier and readier. Only half the jurors believed Billy's story. May in the end come down to you. Do you want to take the stand? I plan on taking the stand.
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34:18Can you do your hook yourself or do you need me to do it? I can do it.
34:25I spend time with my kids and my family. No, I got a fish. Did you catch one? Yeah. Scholar's the best fisherman, aren't you Scholar? Mm-hmm. I will try to make some special moments between now and then. That one. You know, just in case things did go wrong, I could leave some memories. Billy Fox braces himself for his upcoming trial, now only a few weeks away. You know, he doesn't know after the trial whether he's going to go home to his family or if he's going to be in custody. The charge, injury to a child, carries a potential life sentence. But just eight days before trial, It's a complicated case.
35:12Prosecutors, apparently worried about losing this case, unexpectedly offer Billy Fox a phenomenal deal. No jail time at all in exchange for a plea of no contest. No contest. That is, you're not admitting guilt. That is, Billy wouldn't have to admit guilt. He'd only have to concede that given the evidence, a jury could find him guilty. You don't say you're guilty, but you might as well if you say no contest. Billy says forget it. We're not accepting the plea bargain. He is not interested in any deal. I just think it's doing what's right for Cameron. He's determined to clear his name. He's standing up and saying, I'm an innocent man, and I'm not going to do anything that would make anybody think that I was anything but an innocent man.
36:02And a no-contest plea is not good enough. April 17, 2003. I will be putting my life in 12 individuals' hands. State of Texas versus Billy Fox. Billy Fox is charged with injury to a child in the death of his life. And it's scary. Just minutes before showtime. Before the proceedings were going to start, they said, this is your last chance. Billy has a complete change of heart. He accepts the state's offer, 10 years probation for a plea of no contest. It was a scary thought of just, you know, not knowing what was going to happen to you after you put your life in 12 people's hands. When you take a plea, I mean, there is sort of an underlying assumption that something happened here.
36:49And in fact, I mean, you are the only person on the face of the earth who knows what happened that day. And I know that nothing happened to Cameron on Sunday. He was fine until he had his seizure. The criminal case now is behind them, but there will be more days in court. And I'm going to fight till the day I die for my son. Fighting for shared custody of Cassie's son, Payton, who's been living with his father. Give me a kiss. I missed you. And on this day, for full custody of newborn Bailey. who's been in the care of Billy's mother.
37:30Everyone here is looking out for the best interest of Bailey Fox. Child Protective Services, which took Bailey away at birth, has done a complete about-face and now is recommending his return. Texas law basically says that we shoot for reunification whenever possible. Doubly astonishing, given that CPS still thinks one of the parents caused Cameron's death. Medical evidence indicates that either Billy or Cassie were responsible for the injuries that caused Cameron Herring's death. But the agency tells the court that despite its suspicions, it still feels it's in Bailey's best interest to be home, reunited with his parents.
38:12The judge agrees. Oh, we're ecstatic. We're just ecstatic. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey! You ready to go home?
38:33It's kind of like bringing my newborn home, and only if the case is Bailey's now eight months old, and I don't want to miss out on any more milestones. Uhhh!
38:46The foxes feel they've a chance at last for a new beginning. It's hard without Cameron. But sadly, one without Cameron, who would have just turned three. Our family will never be the same. Our marriage will never be the same. are just nothing will ever be the same without care billy fox successfully completed his 10 years of probation patrick herring won full custody of pete when beloved family patriarch gary ferris went missing his family looked everywhere on their property until they came across something horrifying it's a homicide absolutely the blame game in this family went round and round.
39:37This is Blood is Thicker, the Ferris Wheel. I would don't see how anyone can look at this story and think they were happy. Blood is Thicker, the Ferris Wheel is available on Amazon Music. Follow the show on Amazon Music for more future episodes.
39:57Susan Spencer:It is my great honor to welcome you all to Starfleet Academy. There's never been a better time to enroll in Star Trek. It's our job to prepare you for the unimaginable. To the night, cadet! In high-pressure situations, positive reinforcement is crucial to one's success. You're doing a great job. This is what we train for. These friends of mine, they all live for something bigger than themselves. Starfleet. Starfleet Academy. New series now streaming on Paramount+.
From the publisher
Cassie Herring and Billy Fox were single parents to young children when they married and blended their families. In May 2001, tragedy struck when their infant son died. When Billy was charged with murder, the family drew closer to fight for justice. “48 Hours" Correspondent Susan Spencer reports.
This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 1/14/2004. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+.
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