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Podcast Episode Notes: The Girl From Wahoo
Overview
- Podcast Title: 48 Hours
- Episode Title: The Girl From Wahoo
- Description: This episode explores the unsolved murder of Mary Kay Hesse, a 17-year-old girl from Wahoo, Nebraska, killed in 1969. The narrative unfolds how evidence and investigations over the decades eventually led to an arrest 56 years later.
Key Characters
- Mary Kay Hesse: 17-year-old victim.
- Bob Frank: Former sergeant in charge of the Nebraska State Patrol Cold Case Unit.
- Ted Green: Criminal investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office; worked on the case in 2015.
- Joseph Ambrose: Main suspect, had a history of criminal behavior and was known to associate with high school girls.
- Wayne Greaser: Ambrose's friend and potential accomplice; deceased by suicide in 1977.
- Jennifer Jochum: Saunders County Attorney involved in the eventual prosecution.
- Kathy Toll and Mark Miller: Cousins of Mary Kay Hesse who were deeply affected by her murder.
Summary of Events Initial Murder and Investigation
- Murder Date: March 25, 1969.
- Circumstances: Mary Kay was last seen leaving school. Community efforts to find her were extensive but turned tragic when her body was discovered, revealing multiple stab wounds.
- Initial Investigation: Various law enforcement agencies were involved, conducting interviews and polygraph tests on local males, including Joseph Ambrose, who had a questionable alibi.
Cold Case Developments
- Transition to Cold Case Unit: In 1999, the Nebraska State Patrol Cold Case Unit took over the investigation, but DNA technology was still in its infancy.
- Potential Leads: Despite investigative efforts, significant evidence remained elusive. Ambrose was polygraphed but denied involvement despite a history of troubling behavior and a reputation for violence.
Renewed Efforts and Evidence Re-examination
- Ted Green's Investigation: In 2015, Green began revisiting the cold case. He discovered new witness statements and inconsistencies in Ambrose's previous alibi.
- Facebook Tip Line: In 2019, a tip line was established to generate new leads, leading to significant information about a car believed to be involved in the crime.
Evidence Recovery Efforts
- Reservoir Dredging: Green initiated dredging of a reservoir where a car linked to Ambrose was rumored to be submerged.
- Body Exhumation: In 2024, Mary Kay's body was exhumed for a second autopsy, revealing evidence consistent with techniques taught to slaughterhouse workers, linking Ambrose's profession to the murder method.
Arrest and Legal Proceedings
- Arrest of Joseph Ambrose: In November 2024, Ambrose was indicted for the first-degree murder of Mary Kay Hesse.
- Plea Deal: In a surprising turn, he accepted a plea deal for conspiracy to commit murder, which angered the victim's family and investigators who felt justice was not served.
Key Takeaways
- Long-standing Impact: The murder case haunted Wahoo for decades, influencing community safety and perceptions of crime.
- Justice System Challenges: The episode highlights issues regarding cold cases, evidence integrity, and the limitations of aging laws.
- Family's Struggle: Mary Kay's family sought closure and justice, which was complicated by the legal outcomes of the case.
Concluding Thoughts
- The episode illustrates the complexities of murder investigations, the emotional toll on communities, and the ongoing pursuit of justice even decades after the crime. Despite the arrest, many feel that the resolution was not satisfying, and questions about the case remain.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Murder Case Unfolds
0:46 to 2:44
Discussion of the initial murder details and the investigation processes.
“The Mary Kay Hesse case is unique because of how many people have tried to solve it, and they just hit brick walls right and left.”
Community Impact of the Murder
2:45 to 4:15
Exploration of how Mary Kay's murder affected the community of Wahoo.
“My name is Ted Green, and I was the criminal investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office.”
Mary Kay Hesse's Life and Personality
4:16 to 6:10
Insights into Mary Kay Hesse's character and her social struggles.
“worked on what is believed to be the longest unsolved cold case in Nebraska history, the 1969 murder of 17-year-old Mary Kay Hesse, a high school junior.”
The Day of the Murder
6:11 to 7:39
Recounting the events leading up to Mary Kay's murder and the subsequent search.
“They all went back to where the books were found, and they found her body lying in a ditch on the side of the road.”
Investigation Techniques in 1969
7:40 to 10:22
Detailing the investigation methods employed by authorities in the 1969 case.
“The investigation was initially handled by various law enforcement departments.”
Suspects and Theories
10:23 to 14:00
Discussion on possible suspects and theories surrounding the case.
“And then at the end of the school, she changed back.”
Investigation into Ambrose
14:00 to 16:00
Learn about Joseph Ambrose's background and initial investigation details.
“Ambrose stood out as he was new to town.”
Cold Case Unit Resurgence
16:00 to 19:00
Discover the revival of interest in Mary Kay's murder through a cold case unit.
“Why did this case not move along further at the time?”
DNA Testing and Interviews
19:00 to 22:40
Explore the DNA testing efforts and interviews with suspects in the case.
“advances had been made in forensic science that were not available in 1969, when Mary Kay Hessey was murdered.”
Ted Green's Investigation
27:20 to 28:03
Follow Ted Green's efforts to revisit Mary Kay's case and track down leads.
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Investigating Joseph Ambrose
28:03 to 29:57
Learn about the investigation into Joseph Ambrose and key witness testimonies.
“He found memos and statements that had never been filed.”
Community Efforts for Justice
29:57 to 31:03
Discover how a community member sought to bring attention to a decades-old case.
“The way that I could feel their pain when I spoke with them, I couldn't let it go.”
Diving for Evidence in the Reservoir
31:03 to 33:09
Explore the search for evidence in a reservoir connected to the murder case.
“The person had heard stories about men taking apart a car that looked like the one Joseph Ambrose drove and pushing the car into the water shortly after Mary Kay's murder.”
Exhumation and Autopsy Insights
33:09 to 35:15
Learn about the exhumation of Mary Kay and findings from the second autopsy.
“Green and the county attorney thought perhaps Mary Kay herself could.”
Building a Case Against Ambrose
35:15 to 37:15
Understand the evidence that led to a case against Joseph Ambrose.
“There was also that shoe print at the murder scene, a size nine and a half.”
Plea Deal and Controversy
37:15 to 40:04
Examine the plea deal reached and its implications for justice.
“The grand jury quickly indicted Joseph Ambrose for the first-degree murder of Mary Kay Hesse.”
Sentencing and Family's Response
40:04 to 42:00
Hear the family's reaction to the sentencing of Joseph Ambrose.
“But she also felt as they proceeded to trial, the case was only getting weaker.”
Joseph Ambrose's Early Release
42:00 to 42:15
Explore the impact of Nebraska's sentencing laws on Joseph Ambrose's life.
“Due to Nebraska's good time sentencing reduction law, Joseph Ambrose's sentence was cut in half.”
The Tragic Story of Mary Kay Hesse
42:15 to 42:31
Learn about the tragic loss of Mary Kay Hesse and its lasting effects.
“For Mary Kay Hesse's family, the quest for justice after more than 50 years remains elusive.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:10The murder of Mary Kay Hesse has been on the minds of the people of Wahoo, Nebraska for 56 years now.
0:22I remember being about nine years old out in the front yard. My mom came out and said, hey, get in this house right now. A girl in Wahoo has been murdered. And I remember that plain as day. It didn't happen that often in Nebraska. Murders were rare. Mary Kay Hesse was a 17-year-old high school student from Wahoo, Nebraska, who was a Killed by stabbing in 1969. The Mary Kay Hesse case is unique because of how many people have tried to solve it, and they just hit brick walls right and left. I'm Bob Frank. Back in 1999, I was a sergeant in charge of the Nebraska State Patrol Cold Case Unit.
1:15She was running. You could see the struggle. The blood on the ground and the footprint showed there was a struggle in this area. Her shoe and another spot of blood was found, and then her body. I'm hoping the integrity of the evidence is still there, as far as it's not too old to test, as far as DNA. We're hoping after 30 years we can pull a fingerprint off those books. The purse was found at the crime scene. This stuff has been in here for the last 30 years. Rabbit's foot with a key and a nail clipper on it. Better be dead sure than... ...thans sure dead. Kind of ironic, isn't it? With the makeup, the pencils, the handkerchiefs, the Kleenexes, just your normal 17-year-old's purse.
2:05I have one prime suspect. What I'll say right now is he knows who did it or he was there. I can't positively say he did it yet. What did you learn about what the connection was between him and Mary Kay? Through reports that we had, they were both at the Wigwam Cafe about the same time. How long did you end up working this case? We probably stayed on it for about a year. Did you think, well, I couldn't make any more headway here. it's never going to be solved. Well, it got to the point where working with a grant, we had X amount of funds to expend per case, and we had reached our maximum. It was one that I really wanted to solve for the community, but it just didn't turn out that way.
2:53My name is Ted Green, and I was the criminal investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office. Her body was found where, roughly? That's roughly right here. From here in the ditch. Yep, laying. Yep. When you're first assigned this case, did you think, well, I'm the guy. I'm going to solve this. I'm going to get the answer. No, but I don't let go. I won't give up. And I was putting this puzzle back together. What happened after more than 50 years in this case? The puzzle came together. You finally got a full puzzle with all the pieces in place.
3:38Natalie Morales reports, the girl from Wahoo.
3:46Mary Kay Hessey's unsolved murder hung over this community for five decades. It needed to be resolved. I look at this as the case where the community lost its innocence, where people were told, we're not going into Wahoo, you're not going out alone. Jennifer Jochum, Saunders County Attorney, and Richard Register, Deputy County Attorney, worked on what is believed to be the longest unsolved cold case in Nebraska history, the 1969 murder of 17-year-old Mary Kay Hesse, a high school junior. It was very well-known. A murder, especially of this nature, is not common for this area. This right here is what Wahoo is really known for, right?
4:42I mean, cow country, corn country. It hasn't changed much. Ted Green was the criminal investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office. He started working on the case in 2015. So this was the high school here. So on that day, she had just finished her. Walked home and she started walking north here on Linden Street. Memories of Mary Kay Hesse's murder loom large in this small town. This black and white footage was filmed by a local television station shortly after the murder. Much of Wahoo looks like it did on March 25, 1969, when Mary Kay Hesse never made it home after school. So the last place that she was seen was here on the corner.
5:37That evening, Mary Kay's parents reported her missing. and the community came out in force to search for her. So they had Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts, church groups, school groups, and the Wahoo Police Department and Sheriff's Office all searching for her. Nothing was found until close to midnight when a farmer spotted Mary Kay's school books and purse stacked neatly on a road near his field. Inside the books was her name, and so he brought the books into Wahoo and ran into the police that were searching for her. They all went back to where the books were found, and they found her body lying in a ditch on the side of the road.
6:23Not far from Mary Kay's bloodied body, investigators discovered her shoes in the road, tire tracks from a car, and shoe prints potentially from the killer. And how had she died? Well, in a horrible way, she was chased down. The footprints, which were preserved by the ground freezing, showed that she got out of the vehicle and she ran, and you could tell by the strides that she was really trying to escape. And then near where her body's found, there's a pool of blood. She's laying there, discarded like trash. Investigators photographed the scene, measured and made a cast of that shoe print, and sent Mary Kay's body for an autopsy.
7:09It was determined that Mary Kay had been beaten and was stabbed to death, leaving 14 wounds. No knife was found at the scene. She has a pretty good mark on her jaw where she was punched, and the stab wounds come after that. Stabbing somebody 14 times, though, what did that tell you about the nature of the crime? Rage. Rage. Was she sexually assaulted? No. No. But I believe she understood that's probably where it was going to head. The investigation was initially handled by various law enforcement departments. Mary Kay's clothing was sent to the FBI, to J. Edgar Hoover's attention, before the days of DNA testing, to see if anything could be learned.
8:01Investigators questioned people around town about the day of the murder. A witness reported seeing Mary Kay that day at around 5 p.m. getting into a car that had two men at that street corner. In those early days and weeks, did you think, oh, they're going to find whoever did this? Oh, yeah. Mark Miller and Kathy Toll are Mary Kay's cousins. These are some of Mary Kay's personal belongings, right? This is her 4-H. Was she proud of what she did at the 4-H? Look how tiny she was. Kathy was 9 and Mark 8 when they learned Mary Kay had been murdered. She's the oldest of those cousins, so she always looked out for all of us.
8:46She was a 17-year-old girl full of life. Kathy recalls being picked up early from school the day Mary Kay's body was found. And they told us we had to come to Wallyville. Kathy's family drove to her cousin's home. When they got there, Kathy saw and heard Mary Kay's mom, Dorothy. When we went in, it was just, you could hear her wailing. It's the kind of pain you feel across the room. And at the time, did they tell you how she was found, or was that too much to tell the cousins, the kids? I think we heard it. When they told us then, it was on the news. The family and the community could not understand why Mary Kay had been targeted.
9:34There were no answers, just fear. And I remember thinking, I'm scared. Everything changed. What our parents allowed us to go do. You didn't have the freedoms that you had before. We lost so many different things because of it. Our parents wanting to overprotect us. But being overprotective did not ensure safety. Mary Kay's parents, especially her father, had always been very watchful and careful with their daughter. She had a very strict father, and she was shy. She very much wanted to fit in. And there was a group of girls that would put makeup on her at the beginning of the day and change her clothes out so she would fit in socially.
10:23And then at the end of the school, she changed back. She wanted to be a part of the crowd. Mary Kay was trying to participate in school activities, practicing baton twirling, hoping to be a majorette. Part of fitting in for Mary Kay also involved trying to get a date for an upcoming school dance. Mary Kay had even written this letter to another cousin, asking him to be her date. When you go to the Sadie Hawkins dance with me, I just wanted a date. And so she would take her cousin. This was March 18th, 1969, so just a week before she died. Investigators thought that perhaps the pressure to find a date and fit in led the usually shy Mary Kay to get into that car with the men at that street corner.
11:15I think she was so naive she had no clue that something bad could happen to her. She just wanted to get a boy to go to the dance with her. And unfortunately, the dance she went to was her dad.
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12:18Ted Green, formerly the investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office, believes the two men who picked up 17-year-old Mary Kay Hessey on March 25, 1969, were driving here to an area known locally as The Grove. Natural parking and party spot. So kids coming down this way, there were two things in mind, either partying or hooking up? Or hooking up. Those are the two things on everybody's mind. Green's theory of the crime is that when Mary Kay realized the men's intentions, she fled the car and one of the men ran after her, eventually stabbing her to death. But people who knew Mary Kay wondered why she got in the car with the two men.
13:05She wouldn't get into a car with somebody that she didn't know. She knew these guys. Working that theory, investigators in 1969 questioned males in town, especially ones who could have crossed paths with Mary Kay. They used what was then a brand new crime-solving tool, polygraphs. They polygraphed virtually the entire male population of both the schools. I mean, can you imagine the uproar would happen today? And they were looking for that as their silver bullet. One of the people polygraphed and questioned a few days after the murder was this man, Joseph Ambrose, 22 years old at the time. Ambrose had been seen weeks before the murder talking to Mary Kay around town.
13:52They both frequented this restaurant, the Wigwam Cafe, which still stands today. Ambrose stood out as he was new to town. Investigators learned he was on parole after having been convicted of forgery and escaping from custody. He wrote a$10 bad check with his buddy up in Wayne, Nebraska. They get stopped for that and they escape this little county jail up there and they catch up in California and bring him all the way back. Ambrose served about three years and then moved to Wahoo. And he's out on parole. He's got a job. He's working at a packing plant. So a slaughterhouse. Yeah, slaughterhouse.
14:39And she knew him. Authorities say they learned that Ambrose was known to mingle with high school girls and had a reputation for having a temper. He also drove the type of car, similar to this one, that someone said they saw near the crime scene. A local resident had seen two cars leave that night. One car was a white-over-red 56 Chevy. The second car was a white-over-blue 56 Chevy with two dark-haired males in it driving at a high rate of speed. Ambrose drove that white-over-blue. He's a person of interest. Ambrose denied any involvement in the murder, and his polygraph seemed to support that.
15:27Ambrose said he had an alibi, that the night of the murder, he was hanging out at various locations with his friend Wayne Greaser, who was also questioned and polygraphed. Wayne Greaser was just that wannabe kid who was just following around Ambrose. And so he says he's with him. But while being questioned, Ambrose did speak about things, says Ted Green, that got him in trouble with the law, and he was immediately sent to jail. He blows his parole right in the pre-polygraph interview. He violates. It says, I'm buying booze for minors. I'm having sex with minors. So he's booked parole violation.
16:07But not for Mary Kay's murder. Why did this case not move along further at the time? That's a very good question. Follow-up in the initial investigation, prosecutors say, seemed to be lacking, with an experience a factor. Cars were not checked for blood, and suspect's shoe sizes were not compared to the shoe prints found at the scene. This was the beginning of the state patrol, because before that they just gave tickets for speeding, and so these people were thrown into this new investigative unit. There were other agencies involved, and it didn't seem like there was really a lead investigator.
16:47And they were just relying on those polygraphs. For decades, the case sat cold. After seeing the pictures and going through the case, you can visualize it. I mean, everything's the same. After 30 years, it's all the same. Nothing has changed. Then, 30 years later, in 1999, with the creation of the Nebraska State Patrol Cold Case Unit, Mary Kay's murder was getting attention again. and 48 Hours cameras followed Sergeant Bob Frank as he worked the case. Her body was found right in here, and that's where we're at, right here. And we spoke with Frank again in 2025, now retired from the state patrol.
17:32One thing about doing cold cases you find is that stories grow, stories change. And so, you know, trying to separate truth from fiction is sometimes difficult. To try to get to the truth, Frank, in 1999, scoured the old case reports. He noticed that Joseph Ambrose and Wayne Greaser, the men who were each other's alibis, kept coming up in witness statements. I started talking to other people who had been told by these two individuals that they had done this homicide. Greaser had died by suicide in 1977. Ambrose was long out of jail, having served a year and a half for that parole violation after Mary Kay's murder.
18:19He had moved around and worked as a truck driver. Bob Frank knew at some point he would want to talk to Ambrose, but first wanted to take a new look at the old evidence.
18:34In 99 now, are you hoping you're going to get some sort of DNA? Something.
18:54So here's the evidence bag. By 1999, when Sergeant Bob Frank led the Nebraska State Patrol's Cold Case Unit, advances had been made in forensic science that were not available in 1969, when Mary Kay Hessey was murdered. 48 Hours cameras filmed Frank going through Mary Kay's belongings as he looked for DNA and fingerprints. Among the items tested were Mary Kay's school books, found stacked at the scene. We're hoping for prints to come off. It's been 30 years. The theory was that Mary Kay left the books and her purse in the car. The killer noticed the items and, not wanting to be linked to her belongings, dumped them.
19:39So we know it was probably the suspect that put those books on the road. What we were looking for there was any type of fingerprint evidence. A fingerprint examiner worked to find and lift prints off the school books, including one titled, Building a Successful Marriage. Were there any fingerprints that came forward? No. That's what we really had him concentrate on were these gloves. She was wearing these at the time, wasn't she? We were looking for somebody else's blood on those gloves. They also tested Mary Kay's clothing. These clothes were cut off at the autopsy. When I see this, it just motivates me more.
20:20I mean, it's something you want to solve. It's something you want to get closure on. I tell you the truth, when I put this out and laid it out, the first thing I thought of was Mrs. Hesse. Frank spoke several times with Mary Kay's mother, Dorothy, over the course of his investigation. That's when she started the high school. 48 Hours spoke with her as well in 1999. I don't think it'll be solved. I really don't. It's gone all these many years, and I've just given up hope. Hope would be diminished again when the forensic testing led nowhere. Still, Joseph Ambrose and Wayne Greaser remained at the top of Frank's suspect list.
21:03In May 1999, Frank decided to question people who knew Ambrose and Greaser around the time of the murder that had been named in prior police reports. That's why I want two guys in there, so one guy can really watch how these guys are reacting to the questions being asked them. The thought was the passage of time might make someone more forthcoming, and the investigators took several steps to try to help that along. We created an atmosphere to where it appeared we were a full-fledged task force looking at this case. If he's giving you a hard time. In fact, there was no designated HESI task force, nor was it getting hot.
21:45It was just one of the measures taken by Frank and his team as they tried to see if anyone would give new information. I wrote their names down on the board and some numbers behind those names, which don't really have any relevancy either. investigator Jay Peterson. But it's just going to get them to thinking that we know a heck of a lot more about them than perhaps we actually do. They also tried to make the setting a bit uncomfortable for those being interviewed. Did you grease the table down too? Yeah. What we did was we took a bottle of furniture polish, we waxed the table, we waxed these chairs, so when they sit down they're not going to be able to get into a comfort zone.
22:24So keep them on edge a little bit and And hopefully that'll get him talking a little bit too. We put electronic devices in to record in the room. We let these people know when we brought them in that they were going to be monitored constantly. But despite all those efforts, nothing usable was learned. We had people telling us that Wayne Greaser told us this. Joe Ambrose told us this, but it was all hearsay evidence. We didn't have that witness that was there or knew the facts directly. So Frank decided it was time to interview Joseph Ambrose himself. We will just go see what we can get by knocking on the door.
23:04Let's do it. In September 1999, Frank traveled to Orange Park, Florida, where Ambrose was living. Working with local law enforcement, Frank went to Ambrose's home, where he answered the door. You Mr. Ambrose? Yes, sir. And willingly went to be questioned at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Recall for me what you did that night. I mean, you've been questioned about it before. No. So tell me what you did. Ambrose said on the day of the murder, he got off work around 5.30, went home, and then went to a club until closing time. Unlike his previous interview, where his now-deceased friend Wayne Greaser was his alibi, he did not mention being with Greaser.
23:50But you had said in interview reports, and I have those interview reports, that you were with Wayne. It's possible. It's been a long time. It's possible. I was with him. Frank also asked many questions about Ambrose's job at a slaughterhouse. I worked on a kill floor. Kill floor? Yeah. Since Mary Kay was stabbed to death, Ambrose was asked about his access to knives. Was there a special type of instrument you had to use for that, or was it just a regular knife? No, I had, I think, like three different knives. Ambrose was adamant he had nothing to do with Mary Kay's murder, even when Frank implied they found someone's DNA at the scene.
24:30We have a wonderful thing called DNA and we're gonna be able to show who she struggled with.
24:39Again, you know, we have all this little bits of information here and there that fit together that you were there. Not necessarily that you did it, but that you were there when it happened. Okay? Well, that's yet to be proven. I mean, I wasn't there. Like I said, I had nothing to do with it. And you're free to take blood, anything you want. Despite Ambrose's cooperation, Frank found several things suspicious, like Ambrose's explanation for giving different versions of where he was at the time of the murder. Well, I don't remember everything. The reports here indicate a size 9 1⁄2 shoe at the scene.
25:15And there was that shoe print found at the scene, which was the same size that Ambrose wears. You got a nine and a half shoe. Okay, another coincidence. Okay. Frank also asked Ambrose about a report from 1972 before Wayne Greaser died in which a friend of Greaser informed authorities Greaser had confessed to him that he and Ambrose drove Mary Kay to the field and that it was Ambrose who killed her. When Frank brought it up, Ambrose got agitated. I had nothing to do with it. I don't know what Grisha was saying, and that's all I got to say. After the interview, Ambrose gave his blood for DNA testing and submitted to another polygraph.
25:57Nothing incriminating was found at his house, and his DNA did not match any found on Mary Kay's items. We presented what we had to the county attorney at the time, and he just felt there was not enough to even take it forward. In 2000, Frank stopped working the case, but held out hope that one day something would be found. We needed something to drive this case forward.
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27:39What exactly happened in this field in 1969 was still a mystery when Ted Green, in 2015, then the investigator for the Saunders County Attorney's Office, started looking into Mary Kay Hessey's murder. I was putting this puzzle back together. He had collected reports from all the different agencies that worked the case over the years. He found memos and statements that had never been filed. Then I started going through the list of names and all those volumes and re-interviewing. And so I was able to start tracking down individuals. Green says one of those people told him that Ambrose had seen Mary Kay not just at that cafe they frequented, but also around town, and that Ambrose told him he wanted to have sex with Mary Kay.
28:31And he says, well, Mary Kay was up in her driveway twirling her tom, and he had made the comment that, yeah, the suspect told me he wanted to do her. Green, like Frank, focused his investigation on Joseph Ambrose. Green says another person told him he had seen Ambrose and Wayne Greaser arguing that night. They got into a fight that very night about some girl, and this guy's coming forward and saying this fight occurred, and nobody paid attention to him. Green also re-interviewed a co-worker of Ambrose who said Ambrose told him after the murder that, quote, I can do six months, but I can't do life.
29:12For Green, this was Ambrose's motive. Green theorized that Ambrose could deal with serving six months for a parole violation, but not more for attempting to sexually assault Mary Kay. He knows he's going back. It's not a place he wants to go. So you believe he killed her because he was trying to make sure that she didn't report him? Yeah. Green was frustrated with the initial investigation's lack of follow-up. Especially disturbing to him was that Joseph Ambrose's car, that looked similar to this, was long gone and had never been examined. Why wasn't this in those reports? These are basic questions I was asking.
29:56While Green worked the case, this man, Josh Eberhardt, a friend of Kathy Toll, Mary Kay's cousin, wanted to bring attention to the decades-old murder that continued to haunt the family. The way that I could feel their pain when I spoke with them, I couldn't let it go. I knew I wanted to help them somehow. That help came in 2019 when Josh, with the assistance of Kathy, set up a Facebook page tip line. And I started writing the post for this page, and I was trying to pull at the heartstrings of the community. Dear Mary Kay, 50 years have come and gone since someone took you from us all. I sit here at my computer every day, working to find justice for you.
30:46Josh hoped the post might jog people's memories. Tips came in that went nowhere. But then... Somebody came forward with a really big tip. The tip involved a reservoir not far from the murder scene. The person had heard stories about men taking apart a car that looked like the one Joseph Ambrose drove and pushing the car into the water shortly after Mary Kay's murder. We heard the words white over blue, 50s Chevy. So we knew it was important enough to pass to Ted, and he took it from there. Ted Green also thought it was important. He always wondered what happened to the car witnesses reported seeing Mary Kay get into.
31:34A car he believed belonged to Joseph Ambrose. You think it's the Chevy that's in that lake? Yeah, they got rid of the car. There was blood on it. It was a murder scene. It was a murder scene. I think the murder weapon's there also. So Green tried to determine what was at the bottom of that reservoir. It was a process, seen here, that went on for about five years, including having a portion dredged. And we started coming up with bits and pieces of weird steel. But he needed to come up with more. Civilian divers cracking cold cases. Then Green saw a YouTube video from an underwater search and recovery dive team called Adventures With Purpose.
32:23The organization is primarily focused on searching underwater for missing persons. Called them up and said, this is an active, ongoing investigation. We don't have a body in there. I'm looking for evidence. And they agreed to do it. Two-tone piece of fiber, two different colors. Piece of metal. Same metal we've been pulling up. We pulled up more and more metal. We also pulled up fiber consistent with the color of the interior of the car we're looking for. Still, though, they could not prove the metal and fiber were from a car. To determine anything more, the reservoir would need to be drained, which was not feasible.
33:06If the reservoir couldn't provide more clues, Green and the county attorney thought perhaps Mary Kay herself could. In 2024, the decision was made to have her body exhumed and perform another autopsy. The first autopsy was not a quality autopsy, or at least by today's standards. Obviously, it's science. Things evolve. But first, the family had to consent. Green and Kathy Toll had been in close contact through the course of his investigation. Kathy was always pushing to learn more, so she gave her permission to have Mary Kay's body exhumed. It was hard. Anything that maybe would give the answers we were looking for, but it was a hard choice.
34:02But what kind of answers could be found from a body that had been buried for more than 50 years? We didn't know what we were in a fight.
34:25Mary Kay had been buried for 55 years when her casket was lifted out of the ground to perform another autopsy Remarkably, say prosecutors her body was well preserved allowing a pathologist to learn more about her knife wounds. The second autopsy was extremely valuable. It added clarity to the manner of killing. According to investigators, the manner in which Mary Kay was stabbed was consistent with how slaughterhouse workers are taught to kill animals. The angle, exactly how her body was showed in the autopsy, is exactly how they were told to do it. For Ted Green, it was another piece of the puzzle tying Joseph Ambrose, who had worked on the kill floor of a slaughterhouse, to Mary Kay's murder.
35:21There was also that shoe print at the murder scene, a size nine and a half. And he wore a nine and a half shoe, and that's the size shoe that was there. But it was more than just the size. Green says it was also the pattern of the print. It matched a prison-issue shoe that Ambrose, on parole at the time of Mary Kay's murder, could have been wearing. So these little consistencies are starting to add up. At what point, though, do you feel you have enough that you can then go to the county attorney's office and say, I think I've got a pretty good case here? It was his interview. In 2021, Green interviewed Ambrose, traveling to Ohio where he was living.
36:04According to Green, people told him they had seen blood on Ambrose's car around the time of the murder. Green says when he asked Ambrose about this, he admitted there was blood on his car because he ran over a deer or rabbit. He said that blood is on the left rear fender. The back fender. You don't hit a deer or rabbit on the left rear fender and put blood on that. And he admitted the blood was there at the night of the homicide. Green believed Ambrose pinned Mary Kay on the car trunk, and the blood was hers from those 14 stab wounds. In 2023, Green presented his investigation's findings to the county attorney.
36:47The witness statements, the shoe print evidence, Ambrose's interview. The prosecutors knew it would be a challenging case. The murder weapon was never found, nor was there DNA evidence connecting Ambrose to the killing. But they also knew time was running out. We were getting to a point that 55, 56 years ago this occurred, so we're starting to lose witnesses. So the decision was made to take it before the grand jury. The grand jury quickly indicted Joseph Ambrose for the first-degree murder of Mary Kay Hesse. The then 77-year-old was arrested on November 18, 2024, in Oklahoma, where he was living.
37:36Ambrose was then extradited to Nebraska. Thrilled to death. I was thrilled. Thrilled to death. Finally. Finally. Mary Kay will have justice. For Mary Kay's family, the arrest was gratifying. especially for Kathy. She had promised Mary Kay's mother, Dorothy, who died in 2007, that she would fight for justice and not forget Mary Kay. This is Aunt Dorothy asking for us to continue to search for whatever happened to Mary Kay. I didn't want to let her down. I told her that I would not stop, that I would continue. Kathy and Mark were preparing themselves to finally have some answers to 56 years of questions about what happened to Mary Kay.
38:21There were pretrial hearings where Ambrose appeared frail and on oxygen. Months passed, and then in July of 2025, Kathy and Mark got news they were not expecting. A plea deal had been reached, not for first-degree murder as charged, but for conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. As part of the deal, Ambrose pleaded no contest, which meant he did not have to give any details about the murder. The family never got the chance to say no. Kathy and Mark say they weren't consulted about the deal, which also named the deceased Wayne Greaser as the other person conspiring to kill Mary Kay. It was a blow to Kathy and Mark and to Ted Green.
39:15There's no justice for Mary Kay. There's no justice for the family. And no answer. And no answer. In an email to 48 Hours, Joseph Ambrose's attorney stated that Mr. Ambrose maintains his innocence. Due to Mr. Ambrose's age, he states he took the plea bargain due to his health issues, since he may not have lived until trial to try to clear his name. He gets off. I didn't do it. Really? I'm sorry. If you're going to fold like that, I laid my keys on the table and walked out two minutes after he pled. I retired right then and there. I understand with some folks the plea deal wasn't particularly appealing.
40:03County Attorney Jennifer Jochum knew there would be backlash for accepting the plea deal. But she also felt as they proceeded to trial, the case was only getting weaker. You know, you have to look at the odds of even getting to trial. There were chain of custody issues from the evidence going through so many hands over the years. And with some witnesses dead, testimony could be deemed inadmissible. It was leaving them uncertain the case could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. We had to analyze the case and the evidence. It was important to get the conviction. But since Mary Kay's murder occurred in 1969, sentencing guidelines from then would have to be used.
40:51A conviction of conspiracy to murder in 1969 carried only two years of prison time. We're bound to use those statutes as they existed at that time. Oh, I'm angry. I'm plain angry. On August 27, 2025, just before formal sentencing was to occur, we spoke with Kathy and Mark. They already knew the maximum sentence that could be imposed was two years. We all know this isn't justice. His thing was he didn't want to die in jail. He didn't want to die in prison. Mary Kay didn't want to die that day either. At sentencing, Kathy and Mark addressed the court. I remember Mary Kay Hessey as a person who would never hurt anyone.
41:40Joseph Ambrose chose to say nothing. Thank you. Mr. Ambrose, is there anything you wish to say before a sentence is imposed? No. The maximum penalty under the law as it existed in 1969 and which is applicable today in the matter is two years of imprisonment. Due to Nebraska's good time sentencing reduction law, Joseph Ambrose's sentence was cut in half. With time served, he was released on November 15, 2025. He got all these years to live, and Mary Kay never had the chance to live. For Mary Kay Hesse's family, the quest for justice after more than 50 years remains elusive. She didn't deserve this at all.
42:31She was a 17-year-old girl full of life. you
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A girl is murdered in Wahoo, Nebraska. More than 50 years later, how the pieces of a puzzle came together to make an arrest. Natalie Morales reports.
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