The Han Family Murders

10 Nov 2025 · 45 min · 25 chapters

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In short

The March 23, 2016 Santa Barbara murders of Dr. Henry Han, his wife Jenny, and their 5-year-old daughter Emily; investigation, arrest, and conviction of Pierre Hopch.

Guest backgrounds

Mark and Marla Palumbo were Henry’s business partners and friends. Don Goldberg knew Henry for 25+ years. Isaiah Oregon knew Jenny and worked with the clinic circle. Prosecutor Ben Ledenig and defense attorney Christine Voss discuss the case. Sgt. Anthony Flores assisted the arrest in Oceanside. Witnesses include psychiatrist Dr. Glenn Miller (about Henry’s Eastern/Western work), and mothers Kimberly Ruff and Sherry Pierron (about Henry’s holistic care). TJ Dorito, a marijuana grower, provided key testimony.

Key claims

Pierre Hopch manipulated Henry to re-enter a CBD/energy partnership, stole identities, and planned the murders for financial gain. Evidence cited includes bleach cleanup, duct tape/plastic wrapping, shootings while asleep, and a keylogger and searches. Hopch claimed a conspiracy and “perpetual energy” plot; defense challenged weapon/timeline and TJ credibility.

Notable examples

Home Depot footage linking Hopch to duct tape/plastic; arrest near an ARCO station ~200 miles away; TJ’s morning-of texts admitting he killed the family and sought $20M; autopsy count (14 shots; 8 to Emily).

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Chapters

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The Han Family and Their Peaceful Life

0:07 to 1:13

Exploration of the serene life of the Han family and their roles.

“The Hahn family, I felt better whenever I spent time with Henry, Jenny, and Emily.”

The Discovery of the Murders

1:13 to 3:06

Details surrounding the alarming absence of Henry and the discovery of the crime scene.

“meeting with his normal investment group.”

The Shock of the Community

3:06 to 4:09

Reactions from the community as they learn about the tragic event.

“Things started rapidly going into the next phase.”

Henry Han's Life and Career

4:09 to 6:31

A look into Henry's background, his clinic, and his relationships.

“I was in the kitchen on my computer and I kept checking and I just remember screaming, they're all dead.”

The Impact of the Tragedy

6:31 to 7:48

Discussion on the emotional aftermath of the Han family murders.

“In 2009, that balance he was seeking became a reality when Henry met and married Jenny Yu.”

Investigation Insights

7:48 to 9:45

Investigative details and evidence found at the crime scene.

“As night fell on the Hahn estate on Wednesday, March 23rd, Don tried to process what he had just witnessed.”

Suspicion Around Pierre Hopch

9:45 to 11:01

Insights into Pierre Hopch's involvement and the Palombos' discomfort with him.

“Three matching shell casings were found within the wrapping of Jenny's body.”

Suspicion Around Pierre Hopch

12:04 to 14:01

Insights into Pierre Hopch's involvement and the Palombos' discomfort with him.

“The indelible scar left by the murders was the kind that not even Dr.”

Concerns About Pierre Hopch

14:01 to 15:02

Listeners learn about the unsettling behaviors and background of Pierre Hopch.

“It was groundbreaking science at the time, and he wanted 25-year-old Pierre Hopch to help develop it.”

Red Flags and Final Straws

15:03 to 15:44

The Palombos notice alarming financial irregularities related to Pierre.

“and stay over the folks' heads a bit, scientifically.”
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The Complexity of Trust

15:45 to 16:54

Discussion about Henry's trust in Pierre and concerns from Jenny's friend.

“But then a few weeks before the murders, Mark and Marla say Henry brought up Pierre out of the blue.”

Investigating the Crime Scene

16:55 to 18:19

Detectives gather evidence linking Pierre to the crime scene.

“before the murders and had formed a new partnership with the healer.”

The Manhunt for Pierre Hopch

18:20 to 21:32

Law enforcement tracks Pierre's movements post-murders, leading to a manhunt.

“So within hours of the crime scene being discovered, Pierre Hopsch became a person of interest.”

Pierre's Arrest and Initial Claims

21:33 to 23:08

Pierre is arrested and makes claims about being targeted in a conspiracy.

“Pierre Hopsch waived his Miranda rights and started talking to detectives.”

TJ's Testimony and Pierre's Confession

23:09 to 24:14

TJ recounts Pierre's confessions and his own doubts about them.

“had killed the Hans and were trying to frame him for murder.”

The Urgency of the Situation

24:15 to 26:57

Pierre's urgency and final messages to TJ reveal his panic after the murders.

“He was that awkward kid that wanted to fit in.”

Evidence Found and Charges Filed

26:58 to 28:00

The investigation uncovers critical evidence leading to Pierre's charges.

“Ledenig says Pierre had just returned to the crime scene with a big truck to transport the bodies, but law enforcement had beaten him to the scene.”

Discovery of Evidence in Hopsch's Car

28:00 to 29:06

Learn about the critical evidence found in Pierre Hopsch's car related to the murders.

“The next day, during a closer examination of Hopsch's car at the crime lab...”

Background on Pierre Hopsch

29:06 to 30:28

Explore Pierre Hopsch's background and his motives leading to the crime.

“Defense attorney Christine Voss, who was with the public defender's office at the time, represented Hopsch.”

Hopsch's Preparations for the Murders

30:28 to 31:43

Understand the steps Hopsch took in preparation for the murders, including his digital footprint.

“It was going to be a new source of energy, as if he was, you know, an Elon Musk.”

Execution of the Murders

31:43 to 33:10

Learn about the events surrounding the murders and Hopsch's actions immediately afterward.

“placed him at an Arizona gun store four days before the murders, purchasing ammunition and two firearms, including the alleged murder weapon.”

Investigation and Connection to Hopsch

33:10 to 34:37

Discover how investigators connected Hopsch to the crime through various searches and traces.

“He's doing all these things from personal identifying information of Dr.”

Defense Strategy and Trial Insights

34:37 to 36:55

Examine the defense strategy and the challenges they faced during the trial.

“But on the stand, he couldn't stop talking.”

Pierre Hopsch's Testimony and Claims

36:55 to 38:44

Analyze Hopsch's courtroom testimony and the bizarre claims he made during the trial.

“Now he said he was sure they were sent by the Department of Energy.”

Verdict and Sentencing Outcomes

38:44 to 40:06

Review the verdict delivered by the judge and the emotional impact on the victims' families.

“Pierre was even shown giving his brother-in-law a cooking lesson.”
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Transcript

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0:00Music

0:06We don't want to accept that there's actually evil that walks amongst us.

0:13But it does. And this was pure evil.

0:22The Hahn family, I felt better whenever I spent time with Henry, Jenny, and Emily. Henry was born to be the healer. Henry was the guy. In the alternative medicine world, patients would come in from all different parts of the country to see him. When you go to the clinic, it just kind of oozed of peacefulness. He had the magic. Emily had her own little table and her crayons. Her mom, Jenny, was there working in the clinic. It's kind of good therapy to be with the three of them. They did make a good team.

1:02Natalie Morales:We were business partners with Henry, and we were becoming friends. We really had a beautiful road ahead of us.

1:12He had a 10 a.m. meeting with his normal investment group.

1:16Natalie Morales:It was probably, you know, a good 45 minutes after the meeting was supposed to start that we all kind of went, where is Henry? If he was going to be two minutes late, he called. We're trying to call Henry and was going straight to voicemail. So for him to miss this meeting would be a big deal. He just wouldn't. Something was not right. We all had a pit in our stomach, and we were trying to find a reason why that pit shouldn't be there. Emily's birthday is coming up. Maybe they took her to Disneyland. Somebody's got to go over to their house and check on them. Mark finally gets in touch with Don Goldberg.

1:50Very unusual not to get any communication from either Jenny or Henry. By midday, I decided to go to the home. From the outside, it looked normal. Went to the front door. The door was closed, but it was not locked. The two vehicles were in the garage, which you could see through the windows at the top of the garage door. Then I called 911. They came over and did a welfare check. Around 5.30 that evening, two deputies arrived, made entry, called out, no response, and then started to look to see if there was any sign of foul play. And that's what led them to open the garage door. And then if you walk around the first car, they can see what appears to be three bodies wrapped in plastic and duct tape.

2:39Within a minute or two, sunk in that the three bodies were Henry, Jenny, and Emily. my friends were gone. There's a certain amount of shock that sets in.

2:53Natalie Morales:We didn't hear back from Don. We didn't eat that night. We didn't sleep that night. A five-year-old, three days short of her birthday. It shook us all to our core. It was rough. Things started rapidly going into the next phase. Who, how, and why. It's a huge home. There was biological evidence throughout, primarily in the upstairs in the bedrooms where the murders took place. The smell of bleach was there, indicating a clean-up attempt. The entire family killed, presumably, while they slept. We knew there was a monster out there, and we were going to find him and get him.

3:46The Han Family Murders

3:54Mark and Marla Palumbo were concerned when their friend and business partner, Dr. Henry Han, failed to show up for a meeting on March 23rd, 2016. They would learn the horrific reason why the following day from a news report.

4:11Natalie Morales:I was in the kitchen on my computer and I kept checking and I just remember screaming, they're all dead. Dr. Hahn, his wife Jenny, and their five-year-old daughter Emily were found dead in the garage of their Santa Barbara home. Mark had just seen them on his way back from a business trip. We went out for dinner, played Connect Four with Emily. He's brought his phone to me, and I'm just looking at all these pictures of Emily. And they were taken the Friday before. Just horrific. Yeah. And she was just goofing around with a book, making all these funny faces. And you could tell she was loving life.

5:02The Palombos had recently embarked on a new business venture with Dr. Hahn. I really loved the guy. I mean, he really was smart and curious and open-minded.

5:12Natalie Morales:He had to come with food and in shorts and flip-flops, you know. Just no air about him. But what made you trust him? His passion. Yeah, the way he cared about people. Don Goldberg had known Dr. Hahn for more than 25 years and thought of him as a brother. To Don, he was just Henry. I was approximately 10 years older than Henry, but he still called me his younger brother. You just don't come across a friend like Henry. It's once-in-a-lifetime friendship. When they met, Henry was making a name for himself after emigrating from China, where he came from a family of physicians. He would soon take over the Santa Barbara Herb Clinic.

6:00I had several patients who had had medication side effects. They would say, I went to see Dr. Hahn and it went away. And it was like, I got to meet this guy. Dr. Glenn Miller, a psychiatrist, says he and Henry developed a mutual respect and even partnered on a book about how Eastern and Western medicine could work together to improve patients' quality of life. Henry's practice was flourishing. As far as active patients, he would see like in a month, it was hundreds. But he also tried to balance it. In 2009, that balance he was seeking became a reality when Henry met and married Jenny Yu. He seemed incredibly happy.

6:50It was good to see Henry that happy.

6:52Natalie Morales:Jenny was absolutely warm and lovely. When they had Emily, the dream was complete. Henry was just on cloud nine. He was a very proud father. They were often together at the clinic, where Jenny had quickly become Henry's right hand, says her friend Isaiah Oregon. He really trusted her and let her kind of take the reins. In the spring of 2016, they were getting ready to celebrate Emily's sixth birthday. Where should I go? Go wherever. Go wherever? We were making plans for a birthday party and, you know, had all her presents wrapped. But just three days shy of her birthday, her loved ones were stricken with grief.

7:41I don't really have adequate words to describe how I felt. The sadness is too deep. As night fell on the Hahn estate on Wednesday, March 23rd, Don tried to process what he had just witnessed. He had called 911 when he couldn't find the Hons anywhere, and he was with sheriff's deputies when they discovered the bodies in the garage wrapped in plastic. None of it made any sense at all. Prosecutor Ben Lodinig says it was shortly before midnight when Santa Barbara Sheriff's investigators obtained a search warrant and began to piece together what had happened inside the house. It appeared the family had been shot while they slept upstairs on the second floor.

8:33Henry in the couple's bedroom and Jenny and Emily across the hall in Emily's room. Emily's room was tough to see. Mom probably read her stories to have Emily go to sleep that night and was sleeping with her. What did that tell you about the depravity of the kind of person who could do something like that? What were they after? We didn't know what he was after, but the depravity, I've never seen anything like it. Detectives picked up on the distinct smell of the murderer's attempts to cover his tracks. The smell of bleach was there. We had bleach bottles found. There were bleach stains on the carpet and throughout other items upstairs.

9:17And then you see bloody things in a washing machine. All the bedding, which had been stripped from the beds, was found piled in the laundry room and in the machine. The washing machine, the alarm had gone off because the load was unbalanced. And within there are a huge group of bloody sheets. Wedged in pillows in the laundry, crime scene investigators found a.22 caliber bullet and bullet fragments. Three matching shell casings were found within the wrapping of Jenny's body. And one was later found lodged between the baseboard and box spring of Emily's bed. We had one bullet that was a through and through.

9:59It was perfect for comparison for the murder weapon. As things are going, we start to find clues as to who potentially could be involved. Inside a paper bag next to Henry's bed, detectives found a document signed the last day Henry was seen alive. It provided a name. It's basically a four-page business contract between two partners. Partner one, Pierre Hopch, and partner two, Dr. Hahn. Don Goldberg knew a Pierre that Dr. Hahn was associated with. But Don thought he was harmless. I did not think that Pierre was capable of murder. I never really saw Pierre become angry or agitated. But the Palombos had a bad feeling.

10:50You didn't trust him? I did not.

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12:04This community was left with a scar. The indelible scar left by the murders was the kind that not even Dr. Han could have healed. It was like a bomb exploded. Nobody could move for weeks. There was something very, very, very dark going on. Kimberly Ruff says Dr. Hahn treated her family for two decades. He could do anything. Ever since she was diagnosed with thyroid cancer shortly after giving birth to her son. Kimberly says Dr. Hahn's holistic approach allowed her to nurse her newborn while still treating her tumors. No matter how scared you might be or frightened, you just left feeling like it's going to be okay.

12:53Yeah, he was something. Instilling hope may have been one of the secrets to why his patients say Dr. Hahn could heal just about anything. Dr. Hahn, like, saved my life. Sherry Pierron was also a young mother with cancer when she went to Dr. Hahn. My daughter, Abby, was 15 months old. I felt a lump under my armpit. Even though she had the prescribed surgery and chemotherapy, she credits Dr. Han with her survival. There were so many people that passed away around me. He got me through it. What was the impact for you of his loss? It's the fear of if something comes back. And I'm trying every day to be positive and try to stay with his level of calm and how much confidence he had that, like, everything's taken care of.

13:42That conviction is what had drawn the Palombos, who worked in the skin care industry, into their partnership with Dr. Hahn, hoping to treat various skin maladies. Henry was very interested in CBD. Having used CBD in his practice to treat pain and inflammation, Henry wanted to harness its full potential. It was groundbreaking science at the time, and he wanted 25-year-old Pierre Hopch to help develop it. Pierre, from what we gathered, had a lot of experience in laboratories, in this case relating to CBD. Henry had taken a liking to Pierre after meeting him through another associate. But the Palombos were uncomfortable with Pierre from the start.

14:28Natalie Morales:You know how when you meet somebody, you can't put your finger on it, but something's not right? That was Pierre. There was always this kind of little boiling simmer. When it came time to do the lab work, the Palombos say the results were disturbing. What we came to find out was he was using toxic materials. When we called him on it, he said, you know, I'm just learning more about the molecules. It was just weird. As it turned out, Pierre wasn't a formally trained scientist. He didn't even have a college degree. The more you got onto that surface, the more you realized that he could talk a game.

15:08and stay over the folks' heads a bit, scientifically. Sounds like he was sort of a snake oil salesman type, right? He was. Sophisticated one, but yes. Yeah, very sophisticated one. There was more eyebrow-raising behavior. Pierre had also made odd charges on Henry's account. I was doing all the finances, and I'm like, this doesn't look right. Not a business expense. Not at all. After Marla flagged the charges to Henry, he discovered they were for escort services. Henry was, you won't believe this. Pierre's out. That was the final straw. That was Henry's final straw. But then a few weeks before the murders, Mark and Marla say Henry brought up Pierre out of the blue.

15:51Natalie Morales:Henry mentioned that he had learned a lot more about Pierre's upbringing, how much Pierre had to overcome from his childhood. Mark nor I really responded. We didn't want to have Pierre back in our fold at all. The Palombos were not alone in being wary of Pierre. Jenny's friend Isaiah says Jenny also had concerns and confided in him about them four days before the murders. It was weighing on her heavily. Do we trust him? Do we give him another chance? I was like, absolutely not. If he stole from you before, he's going to steal from you again. But Pierre had already ingratiated himself back into Henry's goodwill.

16:35Henry had a very trusting nature. Henry had shared with me that Pierre told him that he was ill, that it was late-stage cancer, and that he was going to do what he could to help Pierre. Using Henry's good nature by lying to him, by manipulating him. Authorities learned that Pierre had been an overnight guest at the Hans home before the murders and had formed a new partnership with the healer. There was that contract found in the master bedroom they had signed the last day of Henry's life. But prosecutor Ben Ledenig says it didn't seem legitimate. It was like a college sophomore drafted it. It was not notarized, not witnessed.

17:20Detectives had found something else of interest. A brilliant detective found packaging to the plastic wrapping that all three of the Hahn family were wrapped in, in a trash can in the kitchen area, next to packaging of 3M duct tape, similar to the duct tape that was used to wrap all three of the bodies. He recognized the plastic wrap was a Home Depot brand and reached out to the company's security department. And Home Depot was, within hours of us getting an entry into the house, able to run those two items together to see if they had been purchased in the Southern California region within the last several days or weeks.

18:05A Home Depot in Oceanside, California had security footage of a man who matched the DMV photo of Pierre Hopche, who also happened to have an Oceanside address. And that was bam. We knew. He's walking out with three huge plastic rolls. and, sure enough, duct tape. So within hours of the crime scene being discovered, Pierre Hopsch became a person of interest. Yes. But where was Pierre now? Detectives had a hunch. Data from the Hans' cell phones, which were missing, showed they were traveling south, further and further from Santa Barbara. Then, inexplicably, Henry's phone goes dark, but Jenny's is still on, and it keeps going south.

18:53We're getting basically digital footprints leading down to the Oceanside area from a dead woman's phone.

19:13Any time you're trying to stop somebody that is wanted for homicide, the stakes are going to be high. The day after the Hahn family was found murdered, A manhunt was underway in Oceanside, California, nearly 200 miles from the crime scene. Sergeant Anthony Flores and his partner were part of the local Oceanside police team assisting the Santa Barbara investigation. We had come in to work with our special enforcement section, and we were going to be the stop car for that day. We had given a window of opportunity to take him into custody or potentially stop him. Meanwhile, undercover detectives were conducting surveillance at the residence Pierre Hopp shared with his father and updating all units, including the homicide team that had driven down from Santa Barbara with Prosecutor Ben Ledeine.

20:02All of a sudden, we get chatter on our intercoms. Dad's on the move. The surveillance team followed Pierre's father as he drove to a Walmart parking lot, where security cameras captured him meeting up with none other than Pierre. That's Dad driving in sedan. And then you see the Lexus following shortly behind. They appear to be communicating briefly together. You can just see that trunk pop on Dad's car. After transferring two large duffel bags to Pierre's car, they both drove off. We got to move quickly. It was a little after midnight, and we just got the update that the suspect was on the move.

20:47As we're traveling, we're hearing that he's pulling into the Arco station. We had a few miles of a head start. The other units and Lodinic had pulled over by the ARCO station, waiting for the arrest team to arrive. And all of a sudden you see an unmarked car drive right through the middle of that intersection. Sparks fly and it just basically comes in and pulls in and lays on the brakes. Two huge dudes get out of the car and pull a gun on him and prone him out. And our eyes are like saucer. We're like, whoa! Wow. It's 200 miles away that this investigation started and it culminated here. Sergeant Flores had handcuffed Pierre.

21:25What do you remember about that arrest? I remember it going down really fast. All of our senses were heightened. Within 48 hours of the murders, investigators had the Hahn family's alleged killer in custody. Pierre Hopsch waived his Miranda rights and started talking to detectives. What he told them was something out of a spy thriller. He claimed that his life was in danger. Over the past couple of days, I kid you not, I've been shot at probably about five individuals so far that I shot in self-defense. He claimed he was being targeted because of a scientific marvel he had invented. What does it do?

22:09It's a very, very advanced energy source. It's a quantum kind of energy source. I think probably at least 15 individuals who have been connected to this project are dead. Pierre said he had gone to Dr. Han's house earlier in the week to install one of his perpetual energy devices and that the plastic wrap and duct tape he was seen purchasing were for that purpose. Dr. Henry, we signed a contract together. He was going to facilitate taking the technology out to China. Loved the guy to death. He really, really liked this project. Pierre said he had left Santa Barbara around 2 p.m. on March 22nd, the day before the murders, after signing the contract.

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22:51But detectives pushed back. There's more to this story that you're not telling me? He dodged a hole in his bed or murdered whites? I had no clue that, oh my gosh, everything was perfectly fine when I left. Pierre was adamant he would never hurt the family and insisted the shadowy figures who had been after him had killed the Hans and were trying to frame him for murder. I'm really a technology that changes the world at oil companies and people don't want this technology out there. It was this massive conspiracy to keep this next-level energy system from getting out to market. James Bond, Mission Impossible, this fantastical life.

23:33I jumped out the window. Pierre's outlandish story continued. But then detectives received an unexpected call from someone who claimed to have information about the murders. I'm a pretty rough-around-the-edges guy. I have rough-around-the-edges friends. TJ Dorito was a marijuana grower who said Dr. Hahn had approached him about supplying CPD-rich strains. TJ had also met Pierre. Dr. Henry had told me that he was like a prodigy street chemist. He had done some stuff that was ahead of his time. So a little bit of a mad scientist, perhaps. Yeah, I would say. According to TJ, Pierre had a penchant for making up grandiose stories to seek attention.

24:14But he befriended him nonetheless. He was that awkward kid that wanted to fit in. And I was the guy in high school that stuck up for kids like that. So I took an interest in him in that regard. You think he trusted you then? Oh, he absolutely trusted me. As TJ revealed to detectives, Pierre had reached out to him via text the morning of the murders. The message sent at 9.39 a.m. said, I need your help with something urgently, like it's urgent. What was he asking for? He needed my help moving something. He says Pierre told him he was in Santa Barbara and needed to talk face to face. so TJ had him come to his house in Thousand Oaks, about an hour away.

25:03The first thing out of his mouth, just so you know, I'm a monster. He had told me right then and there that he had killed Dr. Henry, his wife and his child, and needed help. Did he give you details of what he did? He did. TJ told detectives Pierre said he had tried to put the bodies in his car, but they wouldn't all fit, and Henry was too heavy. Details Ledenig says only the killer would know. How the killings were done, how the bodies were wrapped up, how he had the doctor's phone. TJ told detectives Pierre had also revealed his motive. $20 million that he planned to drain from Henry's accounts after killing the family.

25:45TJ says he didn't know if what he was hearing was another one of Pierre's far-fetched stories. And until he knew for sure, he decided to play along. I just wanted to get him out of the house and confirm whether what he had just said was true or not. I said, let me work on it and I'll call you later. Once Pierre was gone, TJ tried to reach Dr. Hahn and anyone who might have information to no avail. I didn't want to call the police because I wasn't sure yet. It was chaotic. It was scary and also confusing. Pierre kept messaging him. Around 5 p.m., when TJ still hadn't provided any assistance, Pierre texted him with a proposition.

26:27Want to come to Vegas tonight, I'll pay. What did you think the reason for that all of a sudden trip to Vegas? At that point, I wasn't sure. It didn't sound right. It was probably going to kill me and somehow make it look like I had something to do with it. You were going to be the fall guy. Right. TJ made up an excuse why he couldn't go, and Pierre would send him one final text at 7.35 that night. Yep, I'm screwed. They just found everything. My life's over. Only if I'd got to it all sooner. Ledenig says Pierre had just returned to the crime scene with a big truck to transport the bodies, but law enforcement had beaten him to the scene.

27:11He knew his goose was cooked.

27:20Pierre Hopche's arrest near Oceanside, California, had come at a critical juncture. He was armed with a 9mm handgun that was in plain view on the driver's side floorboard. He also had his passport and those duffel bags, which he had received from his father minutes earlier. Two go-bags. Basically, whatever you need, clothes, everything for the person to live for months. Hopsch's father was also detained and questioned, but he was released later that morning. We could have charged him as an accessory, but we didn't have any indication that dad was involved in any way, shape, or form in the killing.

28:02The next day, during a closer examination of Hopsch's car at the crime lab... You name it, we found it in that car. There was Henry's wallet, credit card, and social security number, along with an expended shell casing. There were also the victim's phones and tablet, all wrapped in aluminum foil in an attempt to evade tracking. In the trunk, you lift up where the spare tire would be, the murder weapon, suppressor, silencer, ammunition. A week after the murders, the autopsies revealed the victims had been shot 14 times. three each into Henry and Jenny, and most disturbing, eight in Emily. That ammunition is the same stuff that we found at the crime scene, in the decedent's bodies.

28:51Match, match, match, match, match, everything. Pierre Hopch was charged with three counts of first-degree murder, making him eligible for the death penalty. It was one of the most challenging cases, if not the most challenging case I ever came upon. Defense attorney Christine Voss, who was with the public defender's office at the time, represented Hopsch. He really wanted to be vindicated. To me, the goal was for him to not get death. At the 11th hour, the DA's office agreed to waive the death penalty in exchange for a more expedient bench trial, which meant a judge, not jury, would render a verdict.

29:31On October 25, 2021, more than five and a half years after the murders, the prosecution delivered its opening statement and laid out its theory of the case, that Pierre Hopch had plotted the murder of the Hahn family for financial gain. They painted him as a career con man who, up until the murders, flaunted his intelligence and supposed wealth. His entire life's drive was being rich. He sent screenshots of his Chase account from anywhere from about$3 million up to$940 million to various people attempting to dupe them that he's this jet-setting billionaire. Hopps claimed he had received big offers for his energy technology.

30:18I'm not a scientist, but I don't know that there's such a thing as a perpetual energy machine. But several years before the murders, Hopps was actually being paid to build one. It was going to be a new source of energy, as if he was, you know, an Elon Musk. Samantha Spidel met Pierre Hopsch circa 2012 when he moved into a penthouse apartment in a luxury high-rise she managed in Tempe, Arizona. He pulled up and had this bright red Ferrari. It was very flashy. Ledenik says Hopsch had duped a group of high-rolling investors into financing his invention until they realized it didn't actually work.

30:57He had basically defrauded all these people and the money dried up. When the murders were committed, I think he had less than$500 to his name. Prosecutors presented a detailed timeline, retracing Hopsch's movements, including his digital footprint in the days before and after the murders. They say as early as March 17th, six days before the murders, he had looked into impersonating the doctor at his bank. He's searching for Asian disguises and real flesh masks. Like a Mission Impossible face mask. Right, 100%. This is his fantastical world that he lived in. There's no evidence he ever purchased a mask, but a time-stamped receipt and security video placed him at an Arizona gun store four days before the murders, purchasing ammunition and two firearms, including the alleged murder weapon.

31:5522 pistol with a threaded barrel for what is a silencer or suppressor. On March 20th, he was back in Oceanside, California, buying supplies before driving up to the Hans' house under the guise of installing the energy machine. Instead, Ledenig says Hopsch bugged Henry's computer with a spyware app called a keylogger. What keyloggers do is every stroke, every click of the mouse, every navigation page you go, it documents all of it. To their surprise, investigators also found the keylogger on Hopsch's laptop. On March 21st, while Hopsch was still at the Hans' home, the keylogger had recorded chilling search terms on his laptop.

32:43What part of the skull is more penetrable? What ammunition would be better? As a guest in Dr. Hahn's house, you've been staying there for the two nights before, planning this execution-style murder. Pierre Hopch left the Hahn residence on March 22nd. The prosecutors allege he went back around 4 a.m. the next morning to carry out the murders. They say later that day, he began frantically trying to siphon money from Henry's accounts. He's using phones. He's using fake email accounts. He's doing all these things from personal identifying information of Dr. Hans that he stole earlier that week. A chase fraud alert had flagged an attempted payment for$72 ,000.

33:31Meanwhile, Hopsch also rented that big truck he allegedly drove to the crime scene, hoping to move the bodies. There are black and whites all over that house. The crime scene's being processed. The Palombos say the meeting they were supposed to have with Henry just hours after he was murdered had foiled Pierre Hopche's plans.

33:52Natalie Morales:He thought that he had that whole day to clean up his mess before Henry would be missed. I think we screwed it up for him, happily. That's when prosecutors say he fled, driving south toward Oceanside. side. Ladinig argues Hopche's subsequent searches betray his guilty conscience. Is car searched entering Tijuana? How crime scene investigation works? And how long do fingerprints take to process? Incredibly, he even consulted an online psychic named Count Marco and asked him, will I get caught for what I did? And Count Marco replies, well, what did you do, Pierre. Pierre Hopch never gave Count Marco an explanation.

34:41But on the stand, he couldn't stop talking.

34:53This was a tough case. But that didn't change the fact that Pierre was entitled to a vigorous defense. Defense attorney Christine Voss was in an unusual position. This was a really well-investigated case. Because my client wanted to have a trial and wanted me to turn every stone, I did. Turn every stone and raise any possible reasonable doubt. You argued that there were elements presented that were implausible, unprovable, and simply impossible. Those were your words. Yeah. Voss expressed concerns that the alleged murder weapon and silencer found in Hopsch's car didn't match up. It absolutely did not connect to the firearm that they believed was the murder weapon.

35:44She seized on discrepancies in the location data from Hopsch's car and phone that the prosecution had used in its timeline. He could not possibly have been in San Diego and Santa Barbara simultaneously, or Thousand Oaks and Santa Barbara simultaneously, but that's what the GPS data showed. And she attacked the credibility of the prosecution's star witness, TJ Dorita. Voss questioned why Dorita waited nearly two days to contact authorities, and argued in that time, he could have gotten details about the crime scene that the prosecution claimed only the killer knew. It was not the best kept crime scene.

36:28He was making various phone calls after he heard about the death of Dr. Hahn. But Voss concedes much of Dorita's testimony was corroborated by the evidence. This case was over within the first 72 hours. In fact, the only witness who provided testimony that someone other than Pierre Hopch was the killer was Pierre Hopch. During three days on the stand, he repeated the action-packed account he had given detectives about having shootouts with shadowy figures. Now he said he was sure they were sent by the Department of Energy. It sounds like there'd be a trail of bodies, but yet is there proof of this trail of bodies anywhere, to your knowledge?

37:15No. Which further made him believe it was the Department of Energy. And what about all that evidence investigators found? The DOE planted them there. It's all a frame. All that stuff is framed. The banking stuff, frame job. What's in my car, frame job. It was difficult for me to embrace Pierre's testimony. Do you think he himself believed some of the things he was saying were true? Oh, yeah, definitely. He was obsessed with the government. Samantha Spydell attests there were some kernels of truth in his stories. Pierre mentioned that his dad had ties to the CIA. And I could tell that he wanted his dad's approval.

38:08When his father died in 2023, his obituary stated he was a key player in clandestine central intelligence agency operations during the 1980s. Hopsch also told Spidell that his sister was going to star in a reality TV show. She got cast on a newlyweds reality show, and Pierre was going to be in it. Come to find out, that was true. In fact, both Hopsch and his father made appearances on the second season of the Bravo TV series, Newlyweds, The First Year. Start by filling that up. Pierre was even shown giving his brother-in-law a cooking lesson. More black pepper. But prosecutor Ben Ledinig argued any grains of authenticity in Hopsch's life were far outweighed by deceit.

38:59You called him a lying liar who lies about lying. Right. Lie, lie, lie, lie. Hundreds of lies we found on him. His life was a con. On November 24, 2021, Judge Brian Hill would get the case. None of Pierre Hopsch's family members attended his trial. the judge made his ruling guilty on all counts. The judge, when he issued his ruling, said his decision was beyond a shadow of a doubt, absolutely no doubt of Pierre Hopche's guilt. Yeah, very satisfactory to hear that. I wasn't surprised. And what was Pierre's reaction upon hearing that ruling? Well, he was visibly disappointed. On April 15, 2022, Pierre Hopch was sentenced to three life terms without the possibility of parole.

40:00It was little comfort to those still mourning Henry, Jenny, and Emily. I don't understand how there really could be justice. He's still alive, and they're not. He took precious moments that we'll never get.

40:20Natalie Morales:I want him to feel every pain possible for what he did. Not enough bad things can happen for him. Nearly a decade after the murders, the wounds are still raw. It's hard to think of him. He was a really good man. You don't replace a Henry Hahn. No. Pretty much every day I think of Henry and Jenny and Emily. I love you. There's an old phrase that a good man and a good family lives for a limited time, but a good name shall live forever. They lived too short, but their name lives on forever.

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A beloved doctor and his family are murdered. A suspect emerges with a fantastical story of shadowy figures and intrigue straight out of a spy thriller.  Natalie Morales reports.

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