The Investigators

28 Aug 2026 · 39 min · 20 chapters

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In short

A 48 Hours special about real-world crime scene work and how investigators use forensics (and sometimes TV science) to solve violent cases. It follows Liz Devine, former LA County Sheriff’s crime scene investigator and CSI technical advisor, then shows L.A. Sheriff Crime Lab investigators processing the Ruiz family massacre, and later crime-scene reconstruction in the Anthony Dwayne Lee officer-involved shooting case.

Guest backgrounds

Liz Devine spent 15 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department as a crime scene investigator/criminalist; later became CSI technical advisor and Executive Story Editor. Sergeant Larry Mitchell leads L.A. Sheriff Crime Lab homicide scene work. Detective Ray Peavy is a homicide lieutenant. For reconstruction: Tom Streed is a former homicide detective turned forensic investigator. Johnny Cochran represents Tina Lee in a wrongful-death suit. Bill Lewinsky teaches law enforcement and studies time analysis for suspect gun movements.

Key claims

Forensic details (shoe prints, blood spatter, DNA/fingerprints) can break cases; killers make mistakes; officer-involved shootings may have conflicting narratives vs autopsy findings.

Notable examples

Ruiz family murders (Miguel Ruiz, Maritza Trejo, Ana Luisa Martinez, 8-year-old Jasmine) solved via shoe-print match to Alfonso Morales; Anthony Lee shot by LAPD officer Terrell Hopper after Lee pointed a replica .357 Magnum; autopsy indicated shots to Lee’s back four times.

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Exploring the Role of Crime Scene Investigators

0:10 to 0:49

Learn about the critical role of crime scene investigators in solving cases.

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Exploring the Role of Crime Scene Investigators

2:26 to 3:38

Learn about the critical role of crime scene investigators in solving cases.

“Whose fingerprints are all over the hit TV show CSI?”

The Transition from Investigator to Writer

3:38 to 5:08

Discover how Liz Devine transitioned from crime scene investigator to writer for CSI.

“We realize that it's not a straight up hanging.”

The Impact of Crime on Personal Life

5:08 to 6:40

Understand how dealing with crime scenes affects personal perspectives and relationships.

“I really always thought I would be in law enforcement.”

Detailed Case Study: Mother's Day 1995

6:40 to 9:06

Explore the haunting details of a brutal murder case investigated by Liz Devine.

“You know a lot of times it's just when you're in the store and people come up and go you know my daughter's going majoring in criminology now because of your show.”

Solving the Mystery: Handprint Evidence

9:06 to 10:46

Learn how a critical handprint led to solving a complex murder case.

“Interesting idea, except for one problem.”

Current Crime Scene Investigation

10:46 to 11:39

Witness a crime scene investigation that highlights the real-life challenges faced by CSIs.

“Now, the only crimes Liz has to solve...”

A Horrific Crime Scene Investigation

13:39 to 14:01

Explore the details of a horrific homicide investigation in Los Angeles.

“It may look like a TV show, but it's the scene of one of the worst homicides in Los Angeles County in five years.”

Introduction to the Investigation

14:01 to 14:59

Learn about the initial stages of a complex murder investigation.

“Sheriff's Department Crime Lab, will struggle with a mystery that will take all their skills to solve.”

Discovering the Horrors

15:00 to 17:05

Explore the disturbing details uncovered by crime scene investigators.

“But 19 years of working crime scenes has taught him to forget his emotions and rely on his instincts.”
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The Impact on Investigators

17:06 to 18:15

Understand the emotional toll on investigators dealing with brutal murders.

“They were a great family, a working-class family.”

The Search for Evidence

18:16 to 20:50

Follow investigators as they meticulously search for crucial evidence.

“That's the challenge that I would always bring in to a crime scene myself when I would go, I know there's evidence here and my job is to find it.”

Unraveling the Crime Scene

20:51 to 22:08

Witness the challenges as investigators uncover clues in a complicated scene.

“are now entering their second long day of work on this case.”

Identifying the Suspect

22:09 to 24:30

Learn how investigators link evidence to a suspect in the case.

“And it's just whether or not he's lucky enough that somehow I don't find the evidence.”

The Arrest and Aftermath

24:31 to 27:06

Discover the arrest of a suspect and the emotional aftermath of the crime.

“I have the actual evidence item here, and I turned it over, and almost immediately I could see that we had potential for the correct shoes.”

The Castle Shooting Mystery

29:39 to 36:20

Explore the events surrounding the fatal shooting at a Halloween party.

“sits a slightly run-down mansion known locally as the Castle.”

Familial Grief and Legal Battles

36:21 to 39:28

Understand the impact of the shooting on Anthony Lee's family and their pursuit of justice.

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Forensic Analysis of the Shooting

39:29 to 42:00

Delve into the forensic expert's analysis regarding the circumstances of the shooting.

“Well, can you spin around at a rate of 1 ,100 feet per second?”

The Complexities of Police Shootings

42:00 to 44:12

Explore the differing theories and tragic outcomes of officer-involved shootings.

“And then he moved into the shots as he was turning.”

Impact of Tragedy on Families

44:12 to 45:35

Understand the personal and societal impact of police violence on families and communities.

“may be on what really happened the night Anthony Lee was shot, there is one thing they do agree on.”
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Transcript

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2:22When I go into any scene, it's me versus the bad guy. And I know that I'm smarter. And I know that I'm better equipped.

2:31Harold Dow:Whose fingerprints are all over the hit TV show CSI? People like puzzles and mysteries. Here's a clue. This single mother of three has solved hundreds of murders as a real-life crime scene investigator. Liz, tell us how it's done. Richard Schlesinger is on the trail of CSI's secret weapon. She does everything for us. From the pronunciation of words to explaining the science. Action. And... Liz is one of the best crime scene investigators I've ever worked with. Sergeant Larry Mitchell is still working the streets. Damn. Pretty bad scene. We can be here for a couple days. Still working the real CSI that Liz left behind.

3:13Got a whole family. People are tortured, murdered. Not your typical crime scene.

3:17Harold Dow:This chair was moved from the dining room into the bedroom. Catching this killer comes down to one critical clue. The hair stood up on the back of my neck. A special 48 hours mystery. The investigators.

3:37What we're talking about here, this is what figures in it. We realize that it's not a straight up hanging.

3:42Harold Dow:In a small office hidden in the hills just outside Los Angeles, the body was pitched backwards over the railing. A murder mystery is unfolding. What other forensics do we have? We can tell from rope forensics that the knot was tied by somebody who was right-handed, so we're ruling him out as a suspect. But these aren't detectives. Nice. I like it. They're television writers, and for them... This is really good. This is really good. Murder comes easy. There's a dead dwarf hanging from an upper balcony. Who are you?

4:25Who are they?

4:27Harold Dow:The number one show on television, CSI, on a familiar network, CBS. They're a band of crime-solving scientists who have made geek the new sheik. and made heroes out of people like Liz Devine. I've been able to tap into a creative side of me that I didn't know I had, and that's been kind of interesting. All right, here we go, Mike. Rehearsal up. Liz is a single mother of three. She worked for 15 years with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department as a real-life crime scene investigator, a criminalist, before becoming the technical advisor for CSI. I really always thought I would be in law enforcement.

5:10I always did. I never thought I'd do anything but that. So to make a switch like that, it's very exciting stuff. Let's clear, guys. Here we go. She does everything for us. I mean, we had to have someone around all the time when we first started out to make sure that we knew what we were doing, that we were doing it right. Let's roll. Rolling, rolling, rolling. Action. First to exhaust his appeals and get an execution date.

5:36Harold Dow:How do you feel about it? William Peterson and Marg Helgenberger, the stars of CSI, both rely on Liz to make them look like scientists. Cut print, that was very nice. From the pronunciation of words to explaining the science to the wealth of experience that she's got. Liz, tell us how it's done. Well, I was just saying that. In just two years, Liz has earned the title Executive Story Editor. her. She spent most of her adult life developing clues. Now she develops stories. There's no polite way to ask this. Do you feel like you've sold out? Gosh, I hope not. I did 15 years of forensics, and it's a hard thing to do every day.

6:20You're dealing with people on the worst days of their lives. And it's been nice to work in a different environment. Action.

6:30Harold Dow:The popularity of CSI has led to a nationwide interest in forensic science, a largely unappreciated field about as glamorous as an autopsy. Until now. Cut. Print it. You know a lot of times it's just when you're in the store and people come up and go you know my daughter's going majoring in criminology now because of your show. You guys get some toys. It's not a toy O 'Reilly. like a supercharged lint remover, if only it lifts footprints, possibly our killers. People like puzzles and mysteries, and I think the reason our show has been so successful is because we're showing them the science and we're making it cool.

7:11You can cast those, those microscopes. To borrow a Las Vegas term, she is the ace in the hole. She really is the backbone of CSI.

7:21Harold Dow:CSI is the brainchild of Anthony Zeicher, a rookie writer from Las Vegas and a pair of Hollywood professionals. And cut into the art. Executive producers Carol Mendelsohn. Why are we not using that? And Anne Donahue. We're enthralled by murder. Other people look away. We keep looking. That's how we get our scripts. We keep looking. Forensic science is at its heart a mystery. You solve a mystery. And Liz's job when she was a CSI and Liz's job as a writer is to say, these are the facts. This is the mystery. Let's solve it. That's cut at autopsy. Liz Devine has had ample opportunity to acquire her particular expertise.

7:59Harold Dow:How many murders do you think you've investigated? Somewhere between 750 and 800, I think. Happy anniversary, baby. Happy anniversary. Several episodes of CSI have been based on murders Liz has worked on, including one of her most brutal and challenging cases. That was one that haunts me to this day. Mother's Day, 1995. Paul Karazi was found covered with blood in a parking lot. His ex-girlfriend, Sonia Salinas, and his mother were dead nearby. His two-year-old son was uninjured in the backseat of his car. Karazi claimed they had been robbed. But what Liz and her colleagues found at the crime scene told a very different story.

8:46Paul Carassi and his girlfriend Donna Lee together planned a murder and they brutally stabbed these two women and left them for dead and killed them and did it all in front of his own son.

8:59Harold Dow:In the CSI version of this crime, investigators pour a casting material into the victim's wounds to determine the shape of the murder weapon. Interesting idea, except for one problem. That's not possible. I I lost that battle in the writer's room. What was the argument? The argument is you can't do that. Here we go. But there was one critical piece of evidence that did solve the case. What does that look like to you? That looks like a handprint. Both on TV and in reality. A handprint that indicated one victim put up a fight. It was with her left hand, which had been badly injured by defense wounds, that she grabbed the left side of his shirt and clutched it.

9:43and we could actually match the defense wounds with her injuries.

9:48Harold Dow:Police think Karazi committed the murders because his ex-girlfriend wanted money for child support. Liz worked on this investigation for three years, and it finally paid off. Paul Karazi received the death penalty. But Liz found she also had a price to pay. For 15 years I did that. And for 15 years it affected the way I looked at my children and people in my life. How did it affect the way you looked at those folks? I'm a lot more skeptical. I'm a lot more suspicious. I mean, I've got blood from my kids in my freezer because if anything happens to them, I want to be able to identify them. I mean, that's not normal, and I know that.

10:29But that's what this business did to me. All right, let's clear, let's shoot.

10:33Harold Dow:While Liz is still dealing with crime scenes on a daily basis, at the end of the day, there's one big difference. You see people get up from the autopsy table and wipe off the makeup. Just a piece of glass that's going to come out here. And you go home. You're making a mess, Rachel. It's okay. Now, the only crimes Liz has to solve... Mom burned some. ...are her own. The shamrock survived, but that's about it, you guys. All right, Mama. This is the crime scene right here. I've seen a lot of negativeness. Why don't you do a flower? So I'm trying to bring more positive things into my life and surround my kids with that.

11:12And I think that's important.

11:14Harold Dow:But the life Liz Devine has left behind goes on without her. I'm going to take a look at this. Blood's battered all over the walls in here. Damn. Look at this. Jesus. Pretty bad scene. This is not footage from the TV show. There was a struggle in the doorway. It's the real thing. It appears as though we have four victims who have been tortured. And the real CSIs are about to come face-to-face. No print on the window. This was negative. We can be here for a couple days. With a mystery that will take all their skills to solve. This is all blood, smeared blood. Next.

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13:39Harold Dow:This is the real thing. It may look like a TV show, but it's the scene of one of the worst homicides in Los Angeles County in five years. I'm going to need another one of our crime scene investigators out here. It's not a drama, but it couldn't be more dramatic. You got any forced entry? There's two prints of blood in the doorway there. Okay, start laying out this evidence. For the next 48 hours, these men and women, real-life crime scene investigators with the L.A. Sheriff's Department Crime Lab, will struggle with a mystery that will take all their skills to solve. No prints on the window. Who killed this family and why?

14:17Harold Dow:Mario, it was a long shot. Sergeant Larry Mitchell will lead the investigation. It appears as though we have four victims who have been tortured. We have the little eight-year-old girl who has been tortured and sexually assaulted. It never ceases to amaze me what people do to each other. Liz Devine, who worked closely with Mitchell before moving on as the technical advisor for CSI, has seen this kind of crime before. These are things that are just shocking and horrible, but they happen. John, what are we going to do? With young grandchildren of his own, the 56-year-old Mitchell might well have a hard time keeping this from getting personal.

14:58Harold Dow:Warren, have you shot any exterior shots yet? But 19 years of working crime scenes has taught him to forget his emotions and rely on his instincts. What are the first things you look for when you get on a crime scene? Anything that you see that's out of place. Things that are out of place that maybe someone grabbed, maybe someone touched to give you a fingerprint. or maybe give you some DNA that can lead you to a suspect. All right, take me in, D.C. But even a calloused Sergeant Mitchell finds it tough to stay focused on the job at hand when he gets his first look inside the Ruiz house. You gotta take a look at this.

15:33Blood spatter all over the walls in here. Damn. Look at this footprint on here. Jesus, pretty bad scene. We can be here for a couple days. I haven't seen very many crime scenes as violent as this one. There's just a lot of violence and a lot of anger in this crime scene. Did the family know the killer or killer? Right now, detectives aren't ruling anything out.

15:52Harold Dow:At this point, the sheriff's department knows one thing for sure. Sometime between Friday and Saturday morning in this Los Angeles suburb, 38-year-old Miguel Ruiz, his wife Maritza Trejo, his grandmother Ana Luisa Martinez, and his 8-year-old daughter Jasmine Ruiz were murdered. But that's all investigators know. Clear this place. Get all you photographs. Okay. The house is a wreck. They pretty much ransacked the house. We got blood everywhere, on the walls, on the floor. It looks as though they tried to maybe clean the place up a little bit. A lot of work to do. The 11 years or so that I've worked homicide, I've never seen a scene like this.

16:36This is like incredibly brutal, incredibly hard to take really even for somebody that sees this stuff every day.

16:46Harold Dow:Detective Ray Peavy is a lieutenant in the Homicide Bureau. Take a look in here, Mitch. Little kid. We all have kids, and you look down at this little 8-year-old girl and realize that a day or so ago she was just a normal little girl. Ray, I got two family members who just walked up. Jasmine, that was my baby. Olga Ruiz lost most of her family that morning, including her brother Miguel. They were a great family, a working-class family. My brother worked out of his house. Miguel was a stay-at-home father who had a small business, building computers. He was the best father any child could ever have, and the best brother any sister could ever have.

17:32And I'm going to miss him.

17:35Harold Dow:Crime scene investigators know most killers make mistakes, and this is where they get caught. We are looking for fingerprint evidence. It may not be as sexy as a Hollywood set, but this lab is one of the best equipped in the country, and with good reason. They investigate over 70 ,000 cases each year. If we can get some prints, you guys know how these cases go. Prints is what's going to give us a suspect. The crime lab will pull out all the stops on this one. photographing every piece of evidence, analyzing blood and fluids, DNA testing, and fingerprint processing and identification, sifting through the haystack, looking for a needle.

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18:21Harold Dow:A possible fingerprint. Oh, that's nice. That's the challenge that I would always bring in to a crime scene myself when I would go, I know there's evidence here and my job is to find it. The blood drops are concentrated on this panel. At the crime scene, the investigators are still at it, combing every inch of the house. I don't know if you can see all the tiny little dots. That's actually blood spatter. In real time, unlike prime time, it takes much more time than one hour to solve a crime. We've got spatter all along here. It's a painstakingly slow and meticulous process. We're sure that they weren't killed here, right?

18:59Harold Dow:Oh, they were most certainly not. And a long day of work. Okay, her throat is slit. Her throat is slit? Mm-hmm. is turning into what will be an even longer night. His throat appears cut pretty bad. In the real world, this is a very stressful job. You're dealing with a lot of trauma. You're dealing with innocent people who have been brutally murdered. You deal with the pressure of knowing that you only have one chance to process this scene. And once you've done, you can't go back. Seeing people in their own homes murdered, it's a harsh thing to get used to. For a long time, I would hardly ever look at the victims' faces.

19:38Why not? It made it too real.

19:41Harold Dow:Twelve hours after the investigation began, the bodies of the Ruiz family are finally removed from the house. But the investigation has barely begun. The mystery of why these four people were so brutally murdered. There is one piece of evidence still inside the crime scene that will break this case. and it's right under the investigators noses.

20:13We're just going to shut the scene down for the night, get some rest, kind of refresh, come back in in the morning. I read about it this morning. You read this article and it all just comes back.

20:23Harold Dow:Sunday morning's headlines are a chilling reminder for Liz Devine. It's tragic, you know, family wiped out. This is the world she left behind when she traded life as a real crime scene investigator. I did a lot of cases with multiple victims. And went Hollywood. Liz is one of the best crime scene investigators I've ever worked with. Sergeant Larry Mitchell and his team of investigators from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Crime Lab are now entering their second long day of work on this case. So it's a slow process. But they haven't made a dent in the mountain of evidence left behind by the killer of the Ruiz family.

21:03Harold Dow:Because one thing about a crime scene, you only have one time to get it right. There's a certain amount of adrenaline rush to that. It was invigorating, and so I do miss that. There's blood spatter from the door from the base all the way up to about six feet. The Ruiz house looks like something out of a horror movie at first. But a closer inspection reveals what appears to be blood on the walls is, in fact, something else entirely. Not your typical crime scene. There is pancake syrup, Italian dressing, barbecue sauce. There's a thing up here. All kinds of different food products spread all over this room.

21:41Harold Dow:It's a bizarre discovery. But Sergeant Mitchell thinks whoever did this had investigators like him in mind. That's something that you wouldn't normally see at a crime scene. It makes you stop and think. Now, maybe that was why these things were done, to disguise a motive. It's a battle of wits between the killer and the investigators. 27 and 40 inches. When I go into any scene, it's me versus the bad guy. And I know that I'm smarter, and I know that I'm better equipped. And it's just whether or not he's lucky enough that somehow I don't find the evidence. You ever met a smart killer? Not too many.

22:21Harold Dow:But this is a complicated crime scene. Investigators are working in teams. The identification team gathers fingerprint evidence and documents the scene. The biology team analyzes and interprets blood evidence. In the presence of blood, the clear solution turns purple. That's very impressive. 30 hours into the investigation, one tiny detail catches the eye of an investigator. There's a chair out of place. The chair was moved from the dining room into the bedroom. Did the killer move the chair? If so, did he leave some trace behind? To look for prints, investigators use a high-tech gadget called an electrostatic dust lifter.

23:10Harold Dow:Electric charge field will go on the opposite end. See how it's starting to suck down through electrostatic. And then all you just need to do is just kind of roll it out all the way through. Finally, investigators find what they're looking for. It's that needle in the haystack. Multiple prints. Not fingerprints, shoe prints. Best, highest quality one is here. Yeah, that's similar to the bloody shoe prints that are in the bathroom on the north side of the house. That shoe, if we find it, we can make a conclusive match with that, with those marks. This is, that's excellent. It's imperative to get it photographed as soon as you can.

23:56Harold Dow:With photos of the shoe prints in hand. We find shoes that match these footprints, and we got the killer. Detective Ray Peavy sends his homicide detectives to interview neighbors, including one person they know has had a run-in with the Ruiz family. As we speak, we've got investigators going out to a house nearby. In this house, just around the corner, they find their suspect wearing a pair of shoes with soles similar to the prints lifted from the chair. The shoes were taken to our crime lab. The shoes were brought in. Bob Kyle is, among other things, an expert in shoe prints. I have the actual evidence item here, and I turned it over, and almost immediately I could see that we had potential for the correct shoes.

24:44Why?

24:44Harold Dow:What can you see here? I can see right away that there's a cut that runs across these three elements. And what does that correspond to in this photo? And that cut corresponds to this area on the shoe print. How certain are you? 100%. You're 100 % certain? Yes, there is no doubt in my mind that these prints came from this pair of shoes to the exclusion of all other shoes in the world. That was good enough for detectives. Less than 48 hours after the murders, they arrested 23-year-old Alfonso Morales. The footprint was crucial. It did make the hair stand on the back of my neck. I knew at that point I'm going to have a hand in this and this person is going to answer.

25:27Harold Dow:When the crime scene investigators searched Morales' house, they turned up even more evidence. We believe the contents inside this bin belong to the victims that were murdered. Morales, it turns out, not only lived nearby, he occasionally helped Miguel Ruiz with his computer business. Investigators think the two men had a falling out when Morales was told to stay away from Ruiz's daughters. CS1EE is an NEC flat screen monitor. Appears to be a number of small blood stains on the screen. A lot of stains here on the sides of the keys and on the side. In the midst of all the evidence... Reddish stains on the cord.

26:11Harold Dow:Only an expert can comprehend... Reddish stain on cord, KM positive for blood. There's one thing they found at the scene anyone can understand. A camera with photos of the Ruiz family taken just days before the murder. So in this one awful day, you lost your brother, your niece, your grandmother. And my sister-in-law. Miguel Ruiz's sister, Olga. How would you like them to be remembered? Just a typical family who loved each other very much. A crowd of their neighbors turned out to honor the Ruiz family and share their grief.

27:00Harold Dow:One neighbor was absent. Case of people versus Alfonso Ignacio Morales. Since we last brought you this story in October, Alfonso Morales pled not guilty at his preliminary hearing. He remains in jail waiting for his trial and could face the death penalty. Hey, man, you guys did a great job. So all you guys have got the weekend off. But even as they worked the Ruiz case, other work was already piling up. It was a bloody four days in L.A. We had 17 homicides. Even for us, that's quite a run in such a short amount of time. You know, when you see multiple people massacred like that, it's very difficult.

27:42And everybody has their own way to cope with it. and that's part of the skill of being an investigator. Everybody in this unit is here because they want to be here and this is what they want to do. They love the challenge, work in these difficult scenes. They love the opportunity to put their skills to work and we're fine. We're ready for the next one.

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29:38Harold Dow:Tucked away on a narrow street in the exclusive Benedict Canyon section of Los Angeles sits a slightly run-down mansion known locally as the Castle. It was here two years ago that a Halloween party suddenly turned deadly. A fatal shooting that still haunts people today who wonder how could this have happened. If you look outside at the position that someone would be firing a weapon, that's an awfully elevated angle. Tom Streed is here trying to figure that out. This is a crime scene photograph. A former homicide detective turned forensic investigator. You ever seen a shooting where the officers repaired all of the gunshot holes?

30:22Harold Dow:Streed specializes in crime scene reconstruction. With the track through the torso, you've got an entrance and an exit site. It's his job to put all the pieces of evidence together and come up with a theory of how this fatal shooting occurred. It's about getting to the truth of the matter. It could be Streed's biggest case. It's certainly the most publicized. Los Angeles officials are investigating a weekend shooting. The LAPD is under fire for the shooting death this past weekend. There was gunfire, bloodshed and death. The victim? A 39-year-old actor named Anthony Dwayne Lee. The shooter? A third-year Los Angeles police officer, Terrell Hopper.

31:00Harold Dow:The officer believes that he was in danger. The police quickly defended Hopper's actions, calling the shooting justified. But was it? The incident began innocently enough in the early morning hours of October 28, 2000. Hopper and his partner responded to a routine radio call. A neighbor's complaint about loud noise coming from the castle Halloween party. Upon arriving, the officers entered the house and began searching for the owner. They proceeded down some steps that they described into the bar room area. At this point, they turned to the right. They came up this series of three steps and then moved down this direction.

31:49The officer states that he shined a flashlight through a door pane. Witnesses on the inside said that they saw a light, but they couldn't determine who was shining the flashlight.

32:01Harold Dow:One of the partygoers in that room, with his back turned towards Officer Hopper, was Anthony Lee. He looks around and spots the flashlight and sticks his hand into his waistband and starts to pull the weapon. And at this point, Officer Hopper drew his weapon and began firing. Within seconds, Officer Hopper, seen here in an LAPD recreation of the shooting, fired all nine rounds in his semi-automatic handgun. Four of the shots hit Lee, killing him on the spot. Then, a tragic discovery. The gun that Lee was allegedly pointing at the officer turned out to be a replica of a.357 Magnum. A movie prop worn by Lee as part of his Halloween costume.

32:49Having him gone, there's just a really big piece that's missing in my life.

32:53Harold Dow:Lee's younger sister, Tina. I remember that was the first thing I thought of when I realized he was dead was, oh God, who do I call now? There's no one I can call now. Lee was a hardworking actor whose career was beginning to heat up. He'd had a small role in Liar Liar with Jim Carrey. Miranda, I won't lie. Then we'll just have to find someone who will. And regularly appeared in television dramas. You think this family being black means I'm not interested in clearing this case? I think when it comes to black-owned black violence, people are all too ready to shake their heads and accept it. He was really talented, really smart, really ambitious.

33:33He was a very good, very, very good brother.

33:38Harold Dow:Tina has never been satisfied with the official police version of her brother's death. They've always made statements or claims that somehow my brother was to blame for this happening. Tina's doubts became even stronger after the autopsy. The autopsy report is probably the first time I really knew that he was shot in the back. Shot in the back four times? Yes. We're talking about four shots that struck this individual in the backside of his body. Three times in the upper portion of his back and one time in the back of the head. That's an awful long time presenting his back to the officer. It was presented by LAPD that the officer had to do it.

34:16The individual not only pulled the gun, but also pointed it directly at the officer. And then to hear that he was shot in the back really raised a lot of questions in my mind.

34:26Harold Dow:Questions which prompted Tina to hire a lawyer, and not just any lawyer. This is a case that cries out for some sort of justice, it seems to me. Johnny Cochran represents Tina in the multimillion-dollar wrongful death suit she's filed against the LAPD and Officer Hopper. Now, nobody's saying this particular Officer Hopper got up. Went to work that evening and said, I'm going to go out and shoot somebody. But he was negligent. He violated his own rules. And the thing that really probably troubles me as much as anything, the LAPD found the shooting within policy. In fact, separate investigations by the LAPD and the District Attorney's Office concluded that Officer Hopper was justified in his use of deadly force.

35:09Harold Dow:No criminal charges were filed against him. I think they said something, he may need a little more training. Well, he needs a lot more training. Succinctly stated, a man at a costume party inside of a room who can't see outside is shot by a person who doesn't identify himself. So what do we do? We shoot first and then ask questions later. That's what happened. This is not acceptable police work. What's amazing is how close they were to each other. These folks were separated by no more than five to six feet. And Streed points out something else the police will have to explain. The apparent contradiction between Officer Hopper's statement after the shooting and the coroner's report.

35:50Officer Hopper stated that the entire time that he fired at Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee was posing a threat. But the problem with that is that the gunshot wounds were in Mr. Lee's back.

36:01Harold Dow:He couldn't turn around and get his back to this officer by the time he shoots. That's ridiculous. So he's lying. He's lying. But is he? When the subject points a gun at the camera, you say bang. The LAPD has its own expert. Bang. With some surprising revelations.

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38:13I always loved this picture because this is when he was a little boy.

38:16Harold Dow:To this day, Tina Lee can't understand. Afro, big afro. And the powder blue suit, it was just so classic 70s. How her older brother Anthony, a successful character actor. It was so good and there was so much promise. Could end up dead.

38:35Harold Dow:Shot to death at a Halloween party by Los Angeles police officer Terrell Hopper, who thought a fake gun Lee pointed at him was real. It's Halloween. People are going to be dressed up. You're going to see things. Confusing situation at best. I just don't know what the officer was thinking. The officer believes that he was in danger and others were in danger and he had to take actions. The LAPD immediately came under pressure, which intensified after the autopsy revealed Lee was shot in the back four times. They came out strongly and said he was pointing a gun at the officer. You got something for me?

39:10Harold Dow:Tina's attorney, Johnny Cochran, blames the LAPD for Lee's death. If you were pointing a gun at the officer and the officer's firing at you, you'd expect the man would be hit in the face, in the torso, in the front. That wasn't the case. He was shot in the back. These projectiles travel anywhere between 900 and about 1 ,100 feet per second. Forensic investigator Tom Streed. Well, can you spin around at a rate of 1 ,100 feet per second? I don't think so. The Los Angeles Police Department turned down our request for an interview with them and Officer Hopper. Even so, there is an expert who thinks he can explain why Lee was shot in the back.

39:52Okay, let's do it again, this time with a little resistance.

39:55Harold Dow:His name is Bill Lewinsky. Remember the temporal and integral angle? Lewinsky, who teaches law enforcement at Minnesota State University, has spent years doing time analysis research on the moves suspects make when they pull guns on cops. My goal was to understand how quickly the weapon could move forward and shoot at the officer. In other words, how much reaction time would the officer have? The LAPD heard about Lewinsky's research and contacted him. But why? The shooting fits very closely with one of the motions that I studied. It's called the 180-degree turn to square back position. We need to take a look at two things here, how long it takes to pull the trigger and how quickly someone can do that turn.

40:38Harold Dow:Ballistics tests conducted by the LAPD, similar to this one, which 48 hours arranged, estimated that it took Officer Hopper about two seconds to draw and fire all nine shots of his.45 caliber handgun. But keep in mind, only four of the nine shots hit Lee. Five shots missed. What do you make of that? I believe those five shots were the first five rounds that were fired. And the last four rounds were the ones that impacted on Mr. Lee. He had to have time to do the turn. But could Lee have made a 180-degree turn in the time it took Hopper to fire those first five rounds? About one second? Okay, if we look at this motion, you see how quick that rotation can occur.

41:27If we look at frames, we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven frames, eight, 24 one-hundredths of a second. And the average subject is almost half a second.

41:45Harold Dow:Half a second, giving Lee more than enough time, says Lewinsky, to have turned his back square to Officer Hopper. His conclusion? The first round's firing. caused Mr. Lee to realize this was for real, and he had to get out of there. And then he moved into the shots as he was turning. And that quick turn he made, you're saying, basically, it would appear as though the officer shot him in the back when there was no longer a threat. That's correct. To further prove his point, Lewinsky set up a simple demonstration. When the gun is pointed at you, you say, bang. That's all I got to do. That's all you got to do.

42:28Bang.

42:28Harold Dow:He shot me, but now I shot him in the back. You shot him in the back. Bang. And I shot him in the back? You shot him in the back. Bang. It's very quick. Bang, bang, bang, bang. I shot him square in the back. It's tough. Now, this is not a blanket excuse for cops shooting people in the back. But it does explain how an officer could see a situation justifiably, shoot at the subject that's presenting the threat, and yet have a vastly different outcome.

43:06The one factor that is etched in granite is that that person had their back to the shooter at the time they were shot. But when we measure this, it'll give us a deflection.

43:16Harold Dow:Streed's theory of the shooting, depicted in this forensic animation, is very different from Lewinsky's. He believes the first four shots fired by Hopper hit Lee in the back, spinning him around before he fell to the floor. But even if Lewinsky's theory is correct, it still doesn't explain why Officer Hopper fired all nine rounds from his handgun. These weapons are fired in bursts of two or three. And then you assess the necessity for additional shots. And the officer didn't do that. that he stood in the front of this glass doorway and fired nine shots. Firing through glass with a muzzle flash, that many rounds occurring so quickly, could he stop his action?

44:03Two seconds? We're expecting a lot from someone when they're facing their own death.

44:09Harold Dow:But as far apart as Streed and Lewinsky may be on what really happened the night Anthony Lee was shot, there is one thing they do agree on. I don't have any doubt in my mind that Anthony Lee thought the officer was somebody from the Halloween party. And that's why he did what he did. There's no reason that anyone would pull a fake weapon and point it at a police officer under these circumstances. What occurred was an absolute tragedy. It's a tragedy like so many officer-involved shootings are, a real tragedy. Tragedy for the officer. Tragedy for the department, the community. And most of all for Mr.

44:50Lee and his family. It's really hard when I look at my daughter because I just know he would have been just a wonderful uncle. And it's just so hard because I know that she'll never know how wonderful he was.

45:02Harold Dow:Tina's wrongful death suit against Hopper and the LAPD was settled in February, more than two years after Lee was killed. The agreed upon amount of$225 ,000 was far less than she had originally sued for. But for Tina, it's not the money, but the message that matters. I'm hoping somehow that, if nothing else, if it makes LAPD think a little bit more about their policies and how they train their officers, if it makes them hold their officers just a little bit more accountable, if they take more seriously investigating officer-involved shootings, then at least that's a step in the right direction.

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In three separate reports, "48 Hours" follows the work of police crime scene investigators, including a profile of a former criminalist; the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Office investigation of the brutal murder of the Ruiz family; and the fatal shooting of 39-year-old actor Anthony Dwain Lee by Tarriel Hopper, a police officer responding to a noise complaint at a Halloween party. "48 Hours" correspondents Richard Schlesinger and Harold Dow report. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 5/24/2025. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays and stream on demand on Paramount+.

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