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Podcast Episode Summary: *The Mother I Wish I Knew* - 48 Hours
Episode Overview In this gripping episode of *48 Hours*, correspondent Natalie Morales reports on the 1988 murder of Deborah Atropse and the ongoing quest for justice led by her daughter, Rihanna Stevens. The case, which went unsolved for decades, is revisited as new evidence emerges, leading to the indictment of Robert Atropse, Debbie's estranged husband.
Key Characters
- Deborah Atropse: The victim, a 30-year-old mother who was found murdered in her car.
- Robert Atropse: Debbie's estranged husband, the primary suspect in her murder.
- Rihanna Stevens: Debbie's daughter, who seeks justice for her mother.
- John Pearson: Debbie’s boyfriend at the time, mentioned as a potential suspect.
Timeline of Events
- November 29, 1988: Debbie is last seen alive, reportedly driving to a hair appointment.
- December 1, 1988: Her body is discovered in the trunk of her car.
- 2022: Cold case detectives reopen the investigation, leading to new DNA analysis.
Investigation Highlights
- Initial Investigation:
- Debbie’s body was found in her car with evidence suggesting she was strangled.
- Robert Atropse reported her missing and was initially viewed as a suspect.
- Lack of physical evidence linking Atropse directly to the murder, but his behavior raised suspicions.
- Reopening the Case:
- A cold case team re-examines the evidence, utilizing modern forensic techniques.
- Soil and DNA analysis suggests potential connections between Robert and the crime scene.
- John Pearson, although initially considered, is excluded from suspicion based on evidence.
- Key Evidence:
- Mud samples from Debbie's car were consistent with soil from Robert’s property.
- DNA analysis from Debbie's coat indicated Robert could not be excluded as a contributor.
Legal Proceedings
- Indictment: In March 2023, Robert Atropse is indicted for Debbie’s murder.
- Trial: The trial begins in spring 2025, where prosecutors argue Robert had motive and opportunity.
- Verdict: On April 17, 2025, after six hours of deliberation, the jury finds Robert guilty of second-degree murder.
Key Themes and Discussions
- Justice for Victims: The episode emphasizes the importance of seeking justice for long-unsolved cases, highlighting the emotional impact on victims' families.
- The Role of Modern Forensics: New technology helps bring closure to cold cases that may otherwise remain unresolved.
- Complex Relationships: The episode explores the complicated dynamics of Debbie's relationships, including her marriage and romantic endeavors.
Emotional Impact
- Rihanna expresses grief over losing both her mother and the father she once loved, highlighting the long-lasting effects of violence on families.
- Friends and family members reflect on their memories of Debbie and the justice they hoped for.
Conclusion The episode showcases a powerful story of loss, resilience, and the pursuit of justice, culminating in a long-awaited trial and conviction 37 years after the crime. As Robert Atropse faces life in prison, the episode leaves listeners with a poignant reminder of the far-reaching consequences of violence and the enduring quest for truth.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Story of Deborah Atropse
2:14 to 4:30
Exploration of the mysterious case surrounding Deborah Atropse's murder.
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Details of the Investigation
4:30 to 7:35
Insights into the investigation of Deborah's murder and key suspects.
“is the person responsible for the November 1988 murder of his estranged wife, Deborah Lee Atrops.”
Further Developments in the Case
7:35 to 12:01
Updates on the investigation and the complexities of Deborah's relationships.
“Debbie Atrop's was last seen alive on Tuesday, November 29, 1988.”
Rihanna's Childhood Memories of Her Dad
15:47 to 17:45
Rihanna shares fond memories of her father and the early knowledge of her mother.
“Do you have memories of him being hands-on?”
Debbie and Bob's Troubled Marriage
17:45 to 20:43
Exploration of the issues in Bob and Debbie's relationship leading up to her disappearance.
“Investigators say Debbie had soon reconnected with an old boyfriend, girlfriend, Jeff Freeberg.”
The Investigation into Debbie's Disappearance
20:43 to 24:58
Details of police investigations and the interactions with suspects regarding Debbie's case.
“He was kind of removed, just kind of distant.”
DNA Evidence and New Developments
24:58 to 28:00
Revelation of DNA findings and their implications for the case against Bob.
“We knew, I knew that he was selling products in that area.”
The Shock of an Arrest
28:00 to 31:28
Hear about the emotional impact of a loved one's arrest and the surrounding events.
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Trial Insights and Testimonies
33:09 to 39:46
Delve into the key testimonies and evidence presented during the trial.
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The Jury's Decision
39:47 to 41:22
Understand the tense moments leading up to the jury's verdict.
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The Jury's Verdict and Its Impact
42:01 to 44:13
Learn about the emotional aftermath of the jury's guilty verdict in a long-awaited murder trial.
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Investigating the Murder Case
44:14 to 45:56
Discover the investigative findings regarding other suspects and the complexities of the case.
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Emotional Sentencing and Its Consequences
45:57 to 48:24
Explore the emotional appeals during sentencing and the impact on family members.
“After all these years, Darlene Lufkin says she thinks the jury got it right.”
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48:25 to 49:09
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Transcript
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2:31Deborah Atropse was 30 years old. She was a young mother. I didn't get to have my mom growing up. It was this mystery that has never been solved.
2:54My name is Rihanna, and I am referred to in the story as the baby. The eight-month-old baby who lost her mom. Yeah. Hi, little mom. Hi.
3:13So you believe on November 29th, 1988, this was the last known location where she probably came? Mm-hmm. We believe that she drove alone on this very rural road, and that was the last drive that she took alive. The car is found on December 1st. I knew she was strangled and she was found in her trunk. There was just so much unknown. Who did this? Why did this happen? We focused pretty early on on Robert. Handsome. Like me? Yeah. Bob Atropse was married to Debbie Atropse. They had been married for a year or so, and they were struggling, having issues in their relationship, which caused them to separate.
4:02We continued to conduct additional interviews, follow up on various leads. And then it went dead. It was a tragedy. There were times when I wondered if we would ever make an arrest.
4:23Finally getting answers nearly 35 years later. as prosecutors say now 68-year-old Robert Elmer Atrops is the person responsible for the November 1988 murder of his estranged wife, Deborah Lee Atrops. I was just in shock. I couldn't believe it. They 1 ,000 % got it wrong. The mode of evidence is very, very strong. Debbie Atrops had a new romantic relationship with a man named John Pearson. They worked together. She was excited about it. but she was very concerned about Robert Atropes finding out about her relationship with John Pearson. The husband is often the obvious suspect. However, Debbie Atropes had a complicated life and kept a lot of secrets.
5:10We view this as a case of actual innocence. There is more evidence that suggests John Pearson was involved in Deborah Atropes' murder than there is Bob Atropes. They thoroughly interviewed John Pearson. Things were good between him and Debbie H. Rops. He had no motive to commit this crime. John Pearson did have motive to kill Debbie H. Rops. He said that in hindsight, he thinks that Debbie H. Rops was only with him because she was looking for somebody to pay the bills for her. That's plenty motive. Hello, Rihanna Lynn. My dad did not do this. I know my dad. I know his heart. And I know that he'd never be able to live with himself doing that.
6:01Natalie Morales reports, the mother of Bushangu.
6:09It was Thursday, December 1st, 1988, when Deborah Atrop, known as Debbie, was found murdered in her car next to a construction site here in Beaverton, Oregon. Debbie had been reported missing two days earlier by her estranged husband, Bob Atrops, who lived about five miles away on this rural road. So where are we in relation to the Atrops case? Right here is Southwest Consulman Road in Sherwood, and this is where Bob Atrops was living at the time of Debbie's murder. On the night she went missing, Bob says Debbie, who was then 30 years old, never arrived to pick up their baby Rihanna as expected.
6:52I think that it's important for everyone to know that just because a case goes unsolved doesn't mean that it's forgotten. Allison Brown is a senior deputy district attorney in Washington County, Oregon. Here's our exhibit list. Who, along with attorney Chris Luman, joined a team of investigators working on Debbie's unsolved murder. Brown says they hope talking to the original detectives, witnesses... We've got videos, this is from the scene. ...and looking at the evidence again... Phone calls from 1988. ...might give the old investigation new momentum. There were opportunities for forensic analysis that were not available in 1988.
7:35Debbie Atrop's was last seen alive on Tuesday, November 29, 1988. Bob Aitrops called the Tigard, Oregon police that night at 9 40 p.m. Who's the Tigard police going to help you? My wife is running about three hours overdue from a care appointment. I was getting a little concerned. She lived in Sherwood. Okay, what's her name? Deborah Aitrops. Okay, and what kind of vehicle would you have been buying? It'd be a black Honda on board. Bob told the dispatcher Debbie hadn't shown up after an appointment in Tigard about eight miles from his house at a hair salon called Razzmatazz.
8:25Bob says he drove the route and saw no sign of Debbie. He called Tygard police back at 1025 p.m.
8:40Bob did call back a third time at 11 29 p.m. Yeah, this is Bobby Cops again. Have you heard anything? No, and the guys have gone out. It's real foggy out, but they have checked around the area. Did you go to Rasmapaz and see if her car was there at all? There's no car. There's no friends or anything she might have gone to visit? Sex. All everyone had to think of. But the one call Bob did not make that night was to Debbie. Okay, sir, we have checked around the Sherwood area. We can't find her car at all. The dispatcher suggested Bob call the Washington County Sheriff, which he did at 11.34 p.m., and they opened a missing persons case the next morning.
9:28But Debbie Aitrops would not be a missing person for long. Even though I've been retired for years, it still kind of hung over me. Washington County Sheriff's Detective Michael O 'Connell remembers responding to the scene when Debbie's car was found. The license plates had been taken off. The window was open. And the keys were inside. O 'Connell's partner called Bob Aitrops. You being the husband, we need permission. We'd like to search the car. And I'd like to know if that would be all right with you. A few minutes later, police found Debbie's body face down in the trunk. She was nicely dressed, still had her coat on, looked like she'd been placed somewhat carefully in the trunk.
10:21Police say Debbie had been strangled and there were no signs of sexual assault. There was mud on her coat and shoes, the front passenger tire, and the steering wheel of the car. Law enforcement scoured her vehicle for evidence. It looked like someone may have tried to wipe down the hood. There were, like, broad clothing swipes, like someone maybe was trying to destroy fingerprints. O 'Connell and his partner went to Bob's house to tell him they had found his wife's body. A witness who saw Bob later that day told the cold case team he was very calm, much more calm than I would expect. It wasn't consistent with a grieving, estranged husband.
11:11Debbie's stepfather, Ed Holland, says her mother, Gloria, who was close to Debbie, was overwhelmed with grief. She broke down. And I held her and that's all I could do. She just laid there sobbing. Police searched outside Bob's home for any further clues. The driveway was a mix of mud, dirt, and gravel, and it looked like her car may have driven through some of the mud. Bobbitt said Debbie was last there about a week before her murder. Police took photos of the tire tracks outside his house and collected soil from his driveway and lawn. Just to make sure we weren't missing anything. Police never found any tire tracks that matched Debbie's car on Bob's property.
12:01Yet Bob Aitrop's was an obvious suspect. But he wasn't the only man in Debbie's life. Since she had moved out five months before, Debbie had been dating, and those relationships were complicated. Debbie had very good taste and was a good judge of people, but a terrible judge of men. every man that she seemed to hook up with was a problem.
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15:46So you're always sort of by his side, right? Always. It was great growing up with my dad. He was an amazing dad. From your little girl. Did you get this? Do you have memories of him being hands-on? Yeah, my dad was very hands-on. I knew that I was his number one. Thank you for being the nicest daddy there could ever be. I remember being at my grandpa's house with my cousin, going through old photo albums, and finding a picture of this woman. And I was like, who's that? And she just kind of was like, that's your mom. From that point on, I always remember knowing the story. Debbie Aitrop's daughter, Rihanna Stevens, says she learned about her mother's murder when she was six or seven years old.
16:37She says growing up, her dad only shared fond memories of her mom. I didn't know that they had separated. Anything that I had ever heard about her was always good from him. But things were not always good in Bob and Debbie's marriage. Debbie's stepfather, Ed Holland, remembers meeting Bob, a construction product salesman, and talking to Debbie's mother about how quickly Bob and Debbie walked down the aisle. They were still in a courtship when they got married. I said to Gloria, I said, this is way too fast. She says, well, if they're in love, why not? Debbie's friend Darlene Lufkin says, like Ed, she was not confident the relationship had a strong foundation.
17:24How long did they know each other? Just a few months, it seems like. It takes time to get to know someone and I don't think she really knew Bob yet. Bob and Debbie got married in June 1987 and adopted Rihanna the following March.
17:42Because of conflicts in their marriage, just a few months after bringing Rihanna home, Debbie moved into her own apartment in Salem, 30 miles away from Bob. Investigators say Debbie had soon reconnected with an old boyfriend, girlfriend, Jeff Freeberg. You said he was the one for her, perhaps. That's the one she kept wanting to go back to. She really, really liked him. And I don't think he was just ready for that kind of relationship yet. By September 1988, Debbie had a new boyfriend, a man she met at work named John Pearson. John was separated from his wife and had two young boys. But I remember she was on the phone at my house once with him.
18:24She handed me the phone and he said how much she was looking forward to meeting me and the girls. When Debbie was seeing people, for some reason, she wanted them to meet me and my girls. Darlene says she and Debbie had grown close in their 20s when Darlene was a single mom. She's really the only friend I had that enjoyed spending time with my daughters, and I treasured that. In that autumn of 1988, although Debbie was dating John, she stayed in touch with Jeff Freeberg, and he loaned Debbie$8 ,000. He had lent her money to buy a car. Could there have been motive in that? He was wealthy, so I think he was happy to help Debbie.
19:04Back in 1988, detectives had asked Freeberg for his alibi on the night Debbie was last seen alive. And he said he was home, except for going out briefly to get some dinner. He seemed very straightforward. Didn't hesitate to answer our questions. Didn't seem to be hiding anything. Police had also questioned John Pearson, who said he was with his children and his estranged wife that night. Pearson knew about Debbie's hair appointment and gave detectives a detailed description of many items inside her car. John Pearson told police back then that there was a Burger King bag as well as a box with cranberries and a child car seat.
19:48Seems like a lot of details about the car. Pearson also said there wasn't enough room in the trunk for a body and that stuff would have to be taken out. But Detective O 'Connell says Pearson had seemed truthful back in 1988. It was mostly accessible. Didn't appear to be trying to throw us off or anything. And prosecutors Chris Luman and Alison Brown say there is an innocent reason John Pearson knew so much about Debbie's car. They were seeing each other every day. I mean, something to look into for sure, which is why they did multiple interviews of John Pearson and a polygraph in 1988. Did he pass the polygraph?
20:28He did. And he was willing to do it and basically do everything that they asked him to do. Bob Atrop's hired a lawyer a week after Debbie's body was found and declined to take a polygraph. Detective O 'Connell says Bob did not seem very worried about finding out who killed his wife. He was kind of removed, just kind of distant. O 'Connell and his partner looked into the calls Bob said he made the night Debbie went missing. There were no friends or anything she might have gone to?
21:05Bob told detectives he called the babysitter, Debbie's boss, and her parents while he was home waiting for her. They all confirmed he did call them that night, but there was a hitch. Those three calls were long distance and should have shown up on his phone bill. That was a problem. Those phone calls were not there. By now, detectives suspected Bob had killed Debbie. They thought there was no record of those three phone calls because Bob was out of the house that evening, disposing of Debbie's car and her body. Police began looking for evidence Bob made those calls from somewhere else. It involved checking pay phones.
21:47We looked at every angle. We struck out. They did not find proof that Bob was lying or evidence connecting him to Debbie's murder. I didn't like the thought of it just remaining unsolved. O 'Connell and his partner had a final meeting with Bob in 1990, asking him to account for those missing calls or to admit he had killed his wife. But Bob maintained his innocence. And then it kind of went dead. When the cold case team next interviewed Bob in 2022, they asked again about those phone calls and heard a very different story. I'll be honest with you, Bob. Your story that you're telling us today is significantly different than what you told investigators back in the day.
22:41And so my question is, what really did happen?
23:08We spent a lot of time together. We took the girls to the beach. Went to music in the park with picnic dinners. It's been more than 30 years since Darlene Lufkin last saw her friend Debbie Aitropse, but she says she still feels the loss. It sounds like you have really fond memories of Debbie. I miss her every day still. Darlene, like many in Debbie's life, longed for answers. And in 2022, she got one step closer when the cold case team sent Debbie's coat and those soil samples for testing. The soil was sent to the FBI lab. The DNA was sent. While they waited, the cold case team continued to examine Bob's behavior back in 1988, which prosecutors say was suspicious from that first call.
24:01He calls law enforcement within, you know, probably 20 minutes of calling the friends and family. And to us, that seemed a little quick. So we believe he was attempting to get his story out there and to portray himself as a concerned husband and try to develop that narrative that he wanted to early on. Detective O 'Connell says he had the same feeling. Remember, Bob had called police four times that night. What's the Shakespeare quote? He protests too much. It was interesting to us that he was calling so frequently and so soon. It didn't seem normal. The cold case team also turned their attention to the road where Debbie's car was found, next to that construction site.
24:50Bob's former boss at Allied Building Products told them he believed Bob had a connection there. He was selling roofing products. We knew, I knew that he was selling products in that area. In 2022, the results from those DNA tests came back. The lab said they found a mixture of DNA on the collar and shoulder of Debbie's coat. They swapped that area for coat because if you're strangled, that would be the area you'd have contact with. The lab compared that sample from Debbie's coat to her boyfriend at the time, John Pearson. It's not present. And neither was her ex-boyfriend, Jeff Reberg. Jeff Reberg, not present.
25:32But the lab said Bob Atrop's could not be excluded as a contributor to that DNA mixture. We can't say it's a match. It's just, it's moderate support that it's more likely Mr. Atrop's than an unknown individual. Prosecutors admit while the DNA from Debbie's coat excludes Freeberg and Pearson, it does not make a complete case against Bob A. Trops. I think it's another piece. There are many, many different pieces. It was a very fact-intensive case. Another one of those pieces, they say, is the mud. This murder was connected to mud. Her body was covered in mud. There was mud on the outside of the car, on the inside of the car.
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26:13The FBI lab, which examined this evidence, concluded that the mud on Debbie's car tire did not match the mud where her car was found. However, that mud on the tire, they said, was indistinguishable from the mud from Bob's lawn in color, composition, and texture. This is evidence, prosecutors say, that Bob was lying when he said Debbie did not come to his house the night she went missing. According to the defendant's interview, she had not been to his house for about 10 days. Bob Aitrops hadn't spoken to police about the case since that final conversation with detectives in 1990. But in 2022, he agreed to talk to the cold case team.
26:59It is October 19, 2022. Here with Bob Aitrops. Investigators asked Bob about those calls to friends and family that didn't appear on his phone bill back in 1988. You made those phone calls from your house? Yes. Using your home phone? With an MCI card? No. Yes. No. Bob now said he had used an MCI calling card to make those missing long-distance calls from home. Yeah, an MCI card from Allied Building Products. That is not what you told investigators. You said, I made those calls from my home phone using my home long distance. But you dial in and you punch in the code and then you can complete the long distance.
27:47Prosecutors say Bob didn't have that MCI calling card in 1988. And what's more, prosecutor Chris Luman says this story doesn't make sense. In 1988, to make a calling card, you had to input about a 16-digit calling card number and then another six or eight-digit code. And if you're frantically looking for your wife, why I take the time to do that and enter all those numbers. In 2023, prosecutors brought the case to a grand jury who voted to indict. I got a phone call on March 2nd of 2023 at 5 o 'clock in the morning that my dad had just been arrested. I was just in shock. Rihanna says Bob is a loving dad and doting grandfather to her three children.
28:37What was it like seeing your dad? Front page story. It was awful to see the news making him out to be this terrible person that he just isn't. He didn't do this. Cold case detectives spoke to Bob Batrops again after his arrest. My opinion is you've told yourself a story for the last 34 years, and you've told yourself the story over and over and over again to the point that it's become the truth for you. It doesn't make it true, but it makes it easier for you to tell that story. I don't believe that, but okay. What part don't you believe? A story that I created, I guess. You don't believe that you created a story?
29:24No. Okay. You just are not in a position to acknowledge that you played a role in her death? No, I did not. Bob Atrop's pleaded not guilty to Debbie's murder. Attorney April Yates argues it's more likely Debbie's killer was her boyfriend at the time, John Pearson, than Bob. John Pearson not only had motive, he had opportunity. He knew where Debbie Atrop's was going to be. He knew about her hair appointment. And also he knew an incredible amount of detail about her car. But prosecutors say Pearson had nothing to do with Debbie's murder. Back in 1988, he told police that about a week before the murder, Bob confronted Debbie because he was suspicious she was in a new relationship.
30:17Pearson said Debbie was afraid if Bob found out it was true, he would kill her. The prosecution planned to call Pearson as a witness in Bob Atrop's upcoming trial. We wanted to have him testify because we found him credible. But that would never happen. Pearson, who had been ill and had an outstanding warrant for a DUI in Oregon, stopped responding to detectives. When authorities located him in Arizona, five days before opening arguments were to begin, John Pearson killed himself.
30:56John Pearson fled the state. He was on the run. Attorney Janice Purisow was part of the defense team. Police find him in a trailer in the desert in Arizona. When police surround that trailer, he ends his life rather than coming back to Oregon to answer questions about Debbie 8-drops murder. Those are the facts. Prosecution can spin it all they want, but those are the facts.
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33:07I'm trying to be strong for my dad. In spring 2025, Robert H. Hop's murder trial began here, at the Washington County Courthouse. Prosecutors worried the jury might get stuck on details they could not explain. In a case where we need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, we're not going to be able to answer every single detail of what happened that night. Remember, the appointment was supposed to end around 7.15. by 9.40 p.m. he's calling 911. At the trial, which allowed audio but not video recording of witnesses, attorney Allison Brown argues that Bob Aitrops intentionally misled the police, starting with those four calls he made to them the night Debbie was last seen alive.
33:55He didn't tell the law enforcement officials that they were separated, that they lived separately. So he didn't actually give them the information that they would need to find her. Bob didn't tell police Debbie lived in Salem until the next day. Even more incriminating, prosecutors say, is the fact that Bob Aitrops did not call Debbie the night she went missing or ever. He never called her apartment. That would have been the first phone call, right? Someone hasn't showed up, you're expecting them, you call them. Not only was that not the first phone call, but he never made that phone call at all.
34:34At trial, prosecutors played Bob's interview with investigators in 2022, where he explained why he didn't ever make that call. Did you ever call Debbie's place? Her house? No. I didn't even consider that as an option. So let me rephrase and correct me if I'm right. You never considered calling the place she lives? Not when she was supposed to be in our vicinity. I didn't know. Prosecutors also want the jury to hear more about the troubles in Bob and Debbie's marriage. Debbie's friend, Kristi Knapp, testified to an encounter with Bob at his house soon after Debbie moved out. We went there to get some serving dishes.
35:17We walked into the entry and he just started freaking out and screaming. I mean, he seemed really, really tall and really scary. It was terrifying. Another friend, Tammy Nelson, told police in 1988, Debbie had confided in her that Bob Aitrops had choked her in a violent confrontation shortly before she moved out. Tammy told the jury Debbie was still worried about Bob after their separation. What did she say she was concerned about? Well, she was concerned that he'd kill her. I thought she was teasing to begin with. She was being dramatic. And so I turned around and I looked at her and I saw that she was genuinely scared.
36:03Tammy had also told police in 1988 that a few months before her murder, Debbie was worried about Bob finding out about her relationship with John Pearson. Tammy later told the cold case team Debbie had said, if anything happens to me, Bob did it. Debbie is predicting her own murder. She is telling friends and family, if he finds out about this, he will kill me. And she was right. But in their cross-examinations, the defense suggests these stories Debbie told are not reliable. And they say Debbie had a history of making up false tales. She had told different stories to different people, and these things were verifiably not true.
36:49Some of Debbie's friends say she did tell questionable stories, often about her health. Darlene says she thought Debbie might have done it for attention. One time she said that she went to work out, her stomach flipped or something, and she had to go get emergency help with it. It didn't seem real to me. And there's a very simple... Attorney April Yates says there is a simple explanation for why Bob Aitrops didn't call Debbie that night. He had spoken to her stepfather, Ed Holland. Ed told Bob that he had been by Debbie's apartment and she wasn't home. There was no reason for Bob to call. And the next morning, Debbie's parents went to her apartment again, as did law enforcement.
37:33So there was no reason for Bob to call or go there. The fact that the state is trying to make something out of that, it's a red herring. During trial, the babysitter and Debbie's stepfather testified that Bob had called them the night Debbie went missing, which supports Bob's story. Attorney Stephanie Poland says the best explanation for why those so-called missing calls weren't on his phone bill is that the billing equipment was faulty. We found the engineer and he testified that this equipment failed all the time. But the cold case team believes Bob made those calls while he was out of the house getting rid of evidence to help him create a false alibi.
38:15And they say it was impossible to check every payphone in the area back in 1988. What was significant is he's not where he said he was. He's not at home. Why would he lie about where he was that night? While the state emphasized the link between the mud on Debbie's tire and the soil from Bob Batrop's front yard, the defense says that this soil is everywhere in the region and is as common as dirt. The soil is everywhere. My yard, her yard, the DA's yard. It doesn't make us suspects in a murder. Back in 1988, police didn't collect mud from Jeff Freeberg's property or John Pearson's. They only took samples from where Debbie's car was found and from Bob Atrop's driveway and lawn.
39:03Then there is the matter of the DNA from Debbie's coat. The DNA in this case doesn't tell the jury anything about who killed Debbie Atrop's. Attorney Yates points out that the amount of DNA on Debbie's coat that the lab had said could be consistent with Bob Atrop's was minuscule. the equivalent of about six skin cells. And this very low level of DNA is consistent with something called transfer DNA. People who have babies in shared custody transfer DNA all the time. So in your opinion, this DNA was not strong evidence? This DNA was not only not strong evidence, it doesn't mean anything. The defense argues there is a much more important DNA result from Debbie's autopsy.
39:53One of the very first items that the lab tested for DNA were vaginal swabs taken from the autopsy. Attorney Janice Purissel specializes in evidence that can lead to wrongful convictions. She says the DNA from Debbie's autopsy does not point to Bob Atrop's. The semen came from John Pearson, and the likelihood ratio is 94.6 sextillion. It's an enormous number. And she points out Pearson's DNA at autopsy contradicts his statement to police from 2022. John Pearson told law enforcement that he did not have sexual contact with Debbie A. Trops in the 72 hours before she was murdered, and definitely not on the day that she was murdered.
40:43But they found that semen two days later at the autopsy. Everything is telling us that that was most likely deposited on the day that she was murdered. And the defense reminds the jury John Pearson was avoiding the cold case team in the months leading up to his suicide. In its closing statement, the defense says the state just doesn't have enough to make its case against Bob Atrop's. But prosecutors argue all of the pieces point in one direction to Bob Atrop's. Like you hear, motive means an opportunity. He had it all. Now, after two weeks of testimony, it is time for the jury to decide. We didn't know if that would be enough or not.
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42:12What did you think before the jury left to go deliberate? Did you feel confident? I didn't feel confident. I just, because of the fear of the unknown, I don't feel like any evidence was actually given that proves my dad did this. Because he didn't, there is no evidence that he did this. On April 17, 2025, the jury reached a decision. It was six hours that they were deliberating. We thought that that was a quick verdict and that could be a good thing. My understanding the jury has a verdict in this case, is that correct? Correct. To the charge of murder in the second degree, the jury has found the defendant guilty.
42:57Guilty. 37 years after her death, Robert A. Trops was found guilty of murdering Debbie A. Trops. It was like the room went dead silent. And everything was still in that moment. We all crumbled. We are grieving someone that is still alive. Were you able to say anything to your father in that moment, right after? No, I... Hug him, nothing. I haven't been able to hug my dad in over two years. We had so many family and friends of Bob behind us. It was really hard for them especially to see this happen to their loved one. I could see it's hard for you too. It is hard. It's hard to have an innocent client get convicted.
43:53Prosecutors say they're glad that justice was served. This case took 37 years to finally be resolved. Are you satisfied that we know the truth about what happened to Debbie Aitrops? Yeah, absolutely. There's no other people, no other suspects, no one else with the motive. We feel absolutely 100 % sure that he's the one who committed this crime. Prosecutors are confident the investigation proved the other men in Debbie's life, including Jeff Freeberg, were not involved in her murder. Freeberg declined our request to comment on the case. There just really wasn't any information that pointed in the direction of Jeff Freeberg.
44:30He gave his DNA freely. There really just wasn't any motive evidence or anything else that caused him to be a significant suspect. And they say John Pearson's suicide was an unrelated tragedy. He had an open criminal case. I believe he thought they were there to arrest him for this misdemeanor warrant and took his life. There was quite a bit of investigation that was done by our detective after he committed suicide to show it had nothing to do with a guilt for Debbie's murder. When 48 Hours reached out in 2025, Pearson's lawyer declined to comment on the case. Prosecutors say Pearson's family told them he had wanted to testify at Bob's trial.
45:12I thought that it would be important for him to relay all the things he knew, including those statements that Debbie made back in 1988, that Bob's going to kill me if he finds out about us. As for the defense's argument that Debbie had a history of making up stories, prosecutors say this is unfortunately consistent with life inside an abusive relationship. When someone's going through a domestic violence situation, they are in a way living a lie. Bob's side of the courtroom was full. Did that strike you as interesting? It depends on the case. Yeah, I mean, I think he had a large support system, and it's not uncommon for people in a domestic abuse situation to kind of go unknown as a DV abuser.
45:59And I think Bob was good at that. I mean, he was a salesman. After all these years, Darlene Lufkin says she thinks the jury got it right. I had my suspicions all along. You believed that that was the right verdict. I do. I just feel that the question's been answered now. At her father's sentencing in July 2025, Rihanna Stevens made an emotional appeal for leniency. When I was eight months old, someone robbed me of getting to have a life with my mom. They were to support my every milestone.
46:3936 years later, I'm being robbed of my father. The man that was there for all of those milestones.
46:52I need him in my life. Attorney Polin read a letter from Bob Batrop's current wife, who has been married to him since 2011. My husband has always been a devoted and loving father, James' daughter. Despite these appeals, the judge sentenced Robert Atropse to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years.
47:21When you lost your mom at a young age and you said now you grieve your dad, who is still alive, how do you make sense of what's happening? I can't make sense of what's happening. I just have to live through it and keep fighting. She truly loved Rihanna. What do you want people to know about your friend Debbie? That she didn't deserve this. She was alive, that she'd still be here.
47:52Do you think about your mother now? I do think about her. I wonder what life would have been like had I gotten to live my whole life. I grew up having my mom.
48:15Robert A. Tropps will be eligible for parole in 2048. He will be 93 years old.
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