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The episode “The Texas Yogurt Shop Exonerations” (Case by Case) revisits the 1991 “I Can’t Believe It” yogurt shop murders in Austin, Texas, where four teenage girls (Eliza Thomas, Amy Ayers, and sisters Jennifer and Sarah Harbison) were killed and the shop was set on fire. Nearly 35 years later, the Austin Police Department tied the crimes to Robert Eugene Brashears, who died by suicide in 1999. The episode argues the wrong four men were targeted and coerced: Maurice Pierce, Forrest Wellborn, Michael Scott, and Robert Springsteen. Key claims include: confessions were coerced, interrogation practices violated rights (including showing graphic photos to a 16-year-old), and later DNA retesting excluded all four men.
Notable examples
Scott and Springsteen’s confessions were later recanted; convictions were overturned on Sixth Amendment grounds; a $35 million Austin settlement followed.
Guests
Maurice Pierce’s widow Kimberly Pierce and their daughter Marissa Pierce.
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Chapters
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0:12 to 0:56
An overview of the yogurt shop murders and wrongful accusations.
“Most language apps teach the same generic topics.”
Introduction to the Yogurt Shop Case
1:40 to 3:30
An overview of the yogurt shop murders and wrongful accusations.
“But for my father and three of his peers, that principle did not exist.”
The Impact of Wrongful Accusation
3:30 to 6:10
The emotional and social consequences of being wrongfully accused.
“In the end, this is a story about eight victims, the four girls who were killed at the yogurt shop and the four boys who were wrongfully accused of killing them.”
Interrogation and False Confessions
6:10 to 10:10
Explore how coercion led to false confessions by the accused.
“What is the first thing that comes to mind when you know you have to talk about this?”
The Arrest and Its Aftermath
10:10 to 14:00
The events surrounding the arrests and the family's struggle.
“And then there's this fabrication, this creation of a mastermind and a ringleader on the news and articles.”
Living in the Aftermath of Arrest
14:00 to 16:49
Learn about the emotional and practical challenges faced by families after wrongful accusations.
“I was still in my my nightgown, and they pointed all their guns at me, right, because I'm coming out of the house.”
The Release and Its Consequences
16:49 to 20:04
Explore the complexities of Maurice's release from prison and ongoing harassment.
“And he's released, according to the DA, who's still DA at that point, Ronnie Earl.”
Legal Battles and DNA Evidence
20:13 to 21:43
Understand the legal developments and DNA testing that led to wrongful convictions being overturned.
“I'm just going through the history here.”
The Tragic Events of 2010
21:43 to 24:47
Hear the details surrounding Maurice's tragic death and the circumstances leading to it.
“So it's, you know, been very difficult for all of us for a long, long time.”
Reflections on Loss and Injustice
24:47 to 28:00
Discover the emotional impact of Maurice's death on his family and their views on justice.
“I know that my father was not trying to harm that officer.”
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Discussions of Police Misconduct
28:00 to 30:19
The speaker expresses anger and skepticism towards the police's handling of Maurice's case and questions their integrity and motivations.
“You know, the Austin Police Department say that the officer was, it was a matter of defending his life, that he killed him in self-defense.”
Revelation of New Suspect
30:19 to 32:54
The speaker learns about Robert Eugene Brashears being identified as the new suspect in the yogurt shop murders and reflects on the impact of this revelation.
“Or did at least the DA's office give you a call, a heads up?”
Missed Opportunities in Justice
34:35 to 37:16
Discussion on the missed opportunities in the investigation that could have prevented the yogurt shop murders.
“was to find out that there was a missed opportunity just two days after the girls were killed.”
The Fight for Exoneration
37:16 to 42:08
The speakers discuss the emotional impact of the exoneration process and the challenges faced in officially clearing Maurice's name.
“You don't think today that anybody is interested or cares about what you all went through?”
Coercive Interrogation Practices
42:08 to 45:07
Learn about the questionable practices in police interrogations, especially with juveniles.
“Like that, that should not be what's happening.”
Remembering Maurice Pierce
45:07 to 46:51
Hear heartfelt reflections on Maurice Pierce's character and impact on his loved ones.
“how do you want us to see Maurice Pierce?”
Transcript
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1:39The phrase most often associated with justice, the principle meant to anchor the system, is innocent until proven guilty. But for my father and three of his peers, that principle did not exist. That's Marissa Pierce speaking about her late father, Maurice Pierce. Pierce was one of four men originally suspected in the 1991 murders of four teenage girls, Eliza Thomas, Amy Ayers, and sisters Jennifer and Sarah Harbison. They were at a I Can't Believe It's yogurt shop in Austin, Texas.
2:20What did you see when you first walked into the yogurt shop? Just wholesale carnage. Sergeant Jones was looking at the badly burned bodies of four teenage girls who had been bound and gagged and shot in the head. The yogurt shop had been set on fire to cover the killer's tracks. The case has for years become known as the yogurt shop murders. Nearly 35 years later, all four men were declared innocent and exonerated after the Austin Police Department tied another man to the crimes. We now have evidence linking a specific individual to this case, Robert Eugene Brashers. And now the city of Austin has made an offer of$35 million to be split amongst the wrongfully accused men, including the family of Maurice Pierce, who died before this settlement was reached.
3:16It's blood money for us. He died for this money. So really, it was never about the money for us. It's about the reform and the changes that need to happen, not only in Austin, but apparently across the country. In the end, this is a story about eight victims, the four girls who were killed at the yogurt shop and the four boys who were wrongfully accused of killing them. What I think we need to remember is that over all these years, as terrible as it was for Sarah, Jennifer, Amy, and Eliza's families, the four boys and their families were hounded and treated as pariahs. I'm 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty, and this is Case by Case.
4:03I've been reporting on this case since almost the beginning and nearly my entire career at CBS News. The signs of pain and outrage are everywhere around Austin. So the police have formed an elite unit.
4:22His only mission is to catch whoever killed those girls. The gunshot wounds show that actually two different kinds of guns have been used, a.380 and a.22. Back then, one of the early suspects was Maurice Pierce, who was 16 years old at the time. Here's a clip from one of our 48 Hours episodes on the case. You'll also hear from the first lead detective, John Jones. He was arrested eight days after the murders at a mall near the yogurt shop. Carried a.22 Hellerberg gun, the type used in the murders. The.22s were unmatchable. So you can't say it wasn't his gun? No. But there was no way to match it.
5:10To prove that it was his gun. He gave a statement. Jones says Maurice Pierce claimed that he was driving a getaway car and that three acquaintances, Forrest Wellborn, Michael Scott, and Robert Springsteen, were involved in the murders. But Pierce's story began to fall apart. It started to crater when we wired him up to go talk to Forrest. And we were listening in on the wire, and it was pretty obvious Forrest didn't know what Maurice was talking about. And when well-born Scott and Springsteen were brought in for questioning, they too denied any involvement. And with me today to discuss this case and the lasting impact on the wrongfully accused and their families is Maurice Pierce's widow, Kimberly Pierce, and their daughter, Marissa Pierce.
6:09I want to thank both of you for being here today. What is the first thing that comes to mind when you know you have to talk about this? suffering.
6:23Just how it got, it was so unreal. In 1991, it seems like such a long time ago. Let's start at the beginning. I mean, what did you think, Kimberly? I mean, I know that everybody in Austin had heard about this terrible, terrible murder of four young girls. and all of a sudden your boyfriend is pulled in and questioned about this case. Was that scary? I mean, it was scary at the time. It was very scary for him. I didn't see him until he got released. So I know when I saw him, he had bit all of his nails. His lips were all bleeding because he bit his lips and just very nervous reactions. I mean, I know initially his mom and dad didn't know where he was because they didn't notify his parents.
7:19So they basically, you know, woke up and he wasn't home. And so they're calling, you know, like any other parent, we're calling the hospitals. Kimberly, how did he describe the questioning? He was just ready to get out of there. I mean, that's really, he was just, he was ready to go. He's like, I'm just glad it's over. And he didn't have to tell me anything because I was with him that night. So I never questioned him as far as, you know, there wasn't a conversation like, did you do it? Because I was with him and I knew he didn't do it. How did Maurice end up pointing the finger at his best friend, Forrest?
7:58How did that come about? Why did they then wire Maurice and have him go in and talk to Forrest? Because Detective Polanco told Maurice that the gun that he had was the murder weapon that killed the four girls at the yogurt shop. Kimberly, what did you think when you heard that? They'd already went down a rabbit hole with me and my questioning that I already knew that they were lying. So I didn't believe anything that they said. They were telling me he was in a cult. him and Forrest were in a cult, like with animal sacrifices. Then they, when that didn't work, that's when they tried to say that he was at the yogurt shop visiting one of the girls, like trying to make me jealous.
8:48And I was like, they're lying. You know that they later on said Maurice confessed to being part of that. That wasn't true, was it? I mean, he never confessed. He just, when they said that was the murder weapon, he basically said, I didn't have it for this chunk of time. So I don't think he said Forrest did it, but he's like somebody that was with Forrest or Forrest, if he had, you know, gave the gun to somebody else at the mall or something. But he didn't have it at that time. So if I'm understanding you, this is very helpful. So it wasn't that Maurice pointed the finger at Forrest. He's saying, all right, if you're telling me the truth that this gun was involved in the murder, well, I didn't have it at this time.
9:38My friend Forrest did. So that's then why they put a wire on Maurice and had him go talk to Forrest. I found it really interesting, Marissa, that at the exoneration hearing, you talked about that. And you said that in that room, there was no evidence, only a detective and a narrative, a narrative that was so completely false. I'm using your words. It feels evil. What do you mean by that? Well, you know, there's the person that raised me, the person that I know, the person that loved me and taught me all of life lessons. And then there's this fabrication, this creation of a mastermind and a ringleader on the news and articles.
10:36And so that's the narrative that I was referencing. That detective doing the questioning of Maurice for hours was Hector Polanco. Lead detective John Jones took a statement after that. But he had doubts and told me when I started that it was clear that Forrest Wellborn knew nothing and there was nothing to connect Maurice Pierce. None of the four guys were charged. And so did you feel that it was over at that point? We did. So there's a period of time. That's when Marissa was born and Marissa's growing up. But then, almost eight years later in 1999, a new investigation and interrogations pushed two of the four men, Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott, to seemingly confess.
11:29Michael Scott's confession came first. He was questioned over four days. Come on, Michael, you're doing good. Tell us. Let's do this today. Let's do it. Same girl. I remember one girl screaming, terrified. Scott told investigators that he and the others only intended a simple robbery. He said they cased the yogurt shop earlier that day. And then after dark, he said, they came back armed with two guns. I hear the gun go off. I only pulled the trigger once. I hear another gun go off. Investigators claim that Springsteen later corroborated much of what Scott said. How are you doing? This is very loud, is that correct?
12:13But after intense questioning, he went further.
12:23Springsteen told them he shot one girl and raped her. Both men later recanted those confessions, saying that they were coerced. but Springsteen Scott, along with Maurice Pierce and Forrest Wellborn, were arrested. How did you find that out? When did you find out that Robert Springsteen and Michael Scott had suddenly confessed after all those years and implicated Maurice? I mean, basically, you're figuring it out when he got picked up on October 6th of 1999. And Marissa, do you remember? How old were you? What was that like? um I was seven and um it was intense it was devastating it was confusing it was a lot of things for a seven-year-old to have to um try to grasp I think my mom and dad tried really hard to shield me I was seven um it was it was a lot though how did you explain it to Marissa Kimberly.
13:33I mean, all of a sudden, her dad that she's known for seven years is suddenly in jail. I didn't tell her why he was in jail. I just told her he was in jail. I mean, at first, so that day, they came really early before work. I mean, it was a whole SWAT team.
13:56But I heard all the commotion, like the dogs were barking, and I went out. I was still in my my nightgown, and they pointed all their guns at me, right, because I'm coming out of the house. They have him hogtied on the ground. Did you even know what it was about yet? Did you know what was happening? Oh, I knew what it was about, yes, because they had talked to him not too long before he got arrested. But yeah, it was just, I sent her to school because I didn't, you know, you're in shock and you're like, I don't know exactly what I'm going to do. And then the principal called me because the news was there at her school.
14:40And so then I figured out, well, I can't send her to school. So yeah, then everything just started happening. I had to quit my job. We moved. I wanted to be, I don't know, somewhere where I felt like it would be less known. I didn't want her to be messed with at school. I didn't work that whole first year because I was trying to be there for Maurice. I don't think we ever thought it was going to last that long when there is no evidence and you know that you're innocent. I don't know. You just think that it's all a huge mistake, misunderstanding. Back then, I interviewed Forrest Walborn, and he clearly did not seem to know anything.
15:28Were you there that night? No. Were you there as a lookout? No. I missed it. You had nothing to do with this? Nothing at all. At the time, I did a very long interview with him and the DA at the time, Ronnie Earle, tried to get a hold of that interview because he wanted to know if there was anything incriminating in there. I mean, how difficult was that for the two of you when these cases got so much attention? I mean, it's guilt by association. I feel like the way that you get treated by the media and the families was you might as well have been the murderer yourself. Maurice never went on trial.
16:20He never went on trial. The only two who went on trial were Michael Scott and Robert Springsteen because they were the only ones who had, quote unquote, confessed. There was no other evidence. And yet Maurice spent more than three years in prison. Is that correct? Yes. Michael Scott and Robert Springsteen were both convicted. Scott was given life in prison, Robert Springsteen was put on death row. In 2003, then Maurice is finally released. And he's released, according to the DA, who's still DA at that point, Ronnie Earl. And he says there isn't enough evidence to, quote, convict him right now.
17:05So was it really over, even though he's released, was it? No, it wasn't over. They continue to harass him, harass me. There was definitely times when he felt like he was clearly being followed. By police officers? Right. What kind of toll did that take on Maurice? I mean, being in jail took the hardest toll on him. In order to survive in there and to be locked up for 23 hours a day, he had to somehow shut off his feelings. And so it's hard. You don't just, you know, come out and you're a free man and your feelings turn on again. He was just a much harder, different person when he came out. And I want to make it clear that they, although he was in jail for over three years, there was no physical evidence that tied him to the murder.
18:07Is that correct? And no statement that tied him to the murder. Correct. And yet, you believe he was targeted by police when he was released? Yes. Absolutely.
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20:13So now we go to 2006, 2007. I'm just going through the history here. And the convictions of Michael Scott and Robert Springsteen are overturned. It's on constitutional basis. This Sixth Amendment allows a defendant to be able to confront an accuser. But here you had these two, quote unquote, confessions that were used against these guys, but they were not allowed to question each other. So they are released. And at that time, there's a new DA. And she thinks, OK, I'm going to retry these guys, but I'm going to make sure I have more evidence. So I'm going to I'm going to retest that DNA, that partial male DNA profile that by them we know exists, but had never been able to be tied to anyone.
21:10And all of a sudden she tests it. In fact, it shows not only were those two guys excluded by that DNA, but so was Maurice and Forrest, all four guys. Did that make Maurice's life any better? No. I mean, that's why perception is reality. He was still perceived to be a murderer, a mastermind, guilty. And again, us by association. So, you know, I didn't get jobs because he was my husband. So it's, you know, been very difficult for all of us for a long, long time. Mm-hmm. Kimberly, how did you stay? I know, I mean, I know you love Maury's, but that had to be hard. How do you not stay? Yeah. Tell me more.
22:08We were together since we were 13 and 14. I think we grew up together. We made mistakes together. We had her young together. brother um you know i he was my best friend so it's hard that he's gone um it's hard to live with what they did to him well let's talk about that that i think is what i think i've been putting off going to in 2010 do you need something at all, Marissa? We can stop for a second. This tissue, please? Of course, of course. Thank you. It makes me a little teary right now. What happened in 2010?
23:03Marissa went through a stop sign. He did a rolling stop, a California stop, whatever you want to call it.
23:14He parked his car at his sister's house, got out, went into the house, and then they chased him. So he, you know, went through her house and went through the backyard and obviously started jumping fences and running, evading.
23:39and let me read to you what the police say. I want you to tell me what's accurate, what's not here. So this is how the Austin Police Department described what happened on that day in 2010, in December 2010. Maurice was stopped for traffic and fled on foot. APD officer Frank Wilson caught Pierce and the two struggled. Pierce removed Officer Wilson's knife from his belt and then stabbed him in the neck. Officer Wilson shot and killed Pierce. Officer Wilson survived his injuries. Marissa, is that how you would describe what happened?
24:24I mean, I guess. I don't know. if my dad wanted to harm this officer, Frank Wilson, he, my dad was a, you know, a capable man. He, if he wanted to, he could have, and he didn't want to. He was just trying to run, you know, his mind went into survival. That was it. He just wanted to get away. and naturally so. I wish people could understand that. I know that my father was not trying to harm that officer. Marissa was on the phone with him when he died. Oh my God. Tell me about it, Marissa. I was on the phone when it happened and that's how I knew that he just wanted to get away because he had told me, like, could hear it in his voice, the fear that was taking over.
25:27He said, they're after me. They're after me. And I heard him put his car in park. I heard him open the door. I heard him run.
25:49And then, and then he let me go. He hung up. And I believe, I believe that he hung up when he knew that this officer was on him. So that way, like I said, he's always he's always found a way to shield me and I think that was intentional and he let me go but it was only moments later that he called me back and uh
26:29at the at the time he whispered very quietly to me and in my head, I believed that he was hiding, you know, and I had just promised him, like, we're going to figure it out. It's okay. You're fine. You're safe. I love you. We're going to find you. But he was whispering because at that point he was taking his last breaths.
27:00and in those last moments he had just said I'm sorry
27:10I don't think you're going to see me again and I love you
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27:23how did you find out Kimberly Marissa.
27:31Marissa came to my house. It's, you know, clock in the morning. Yeah. And she's like, daddy, daddy is gone. And yeah, I just, I don't know. I, I didn't know how to, like, is it real? We're not right there. We can't see it. But it sounded pretty real. I just felt like they finally got him. It was hard to hear that an Austin police officer shot him. I was angry. I was pissed off. You know, the Austin Police Department say that the officer was, it was a matter of defending his life, that he killed him in self-defense. But you say it was murder. Why do you say that? They've lied so much over the past 30 years in regards to the yogurt shop case.
28:28I certainly don't believe them about the night that Maurice was shot. So in my mind, they murdered him. And that's how I will always remember it. Personally, I feel like the timing of it was, you know, Rob and Mike get released in 2009. mind. APD is mad that they don't have anybody in custody to blame. They're getting pressure still from everyone to solve the case. And I think they were going to get Maurice no matter what and make him pay for it. Because I don't see how he was shot over rolling through a stop sign. I just don't see it. That's how I feel. I don't think Maurice found his knife and stabbed him in the neck.
29:28So you still have to see it. You have questions about that night. You definitely have some questions left. And then you're talking about, so this was 2000, December, 2010. And then it takes years. And we're talking about September, 2025. The Austin Police Department identified, and a completely different man, Robert Eugene Brashears, as the man responsible for the murders of Amy, Eliza, Jennifer, and Sarah. The only, the only physical evidence located at that scene has been matched to him. Brasher died by suicide in 1999 after a standoff with police in Missouri. And his DNA has since been, and before this connection, he has been connected to murders and rapes across the country.
30:19How did you find out? Did you find out when we did? Or did at least the DA's office give you a call, a heads up? Nobody called me. My sister-in-law called me. Maurice's sister called me. She saw it on the news and she called me. It just all seemed surreal. Until you start seeing stuff on the news and start Googling it, looking it up yourself, you're like, is it real? And it was. And then I contemplated coming to the press conference, but I felt like, you know, I wanted to allow the victims' families to have their time. So I didn't come. Marissa came to my house and we watched it together. Obviously, this announcement was huge to the families of the girls.
31:14I mean, you know, so I want you to hear a little bit of of what Barbara, Sarah and Jennifer's mom, had to say about finding out that after almost 35 years, the case had finally been solved. Here's a little bit from her. It has been so long and all we ever wanted for this case was the truth. We never wanted anyone to go to jail or be charged with anything that they did not do. Vengeance was never it. It was always the truth. I was there at that press conference, and we asked as reporters, is there any connection to this guy and the four guys that have been always suspected of killing the girls?
32:03And we were told no. Is there going to be an apology to the men who had been accused? And they said, well, when we do more investigation, if we were wrong, we'll apologize. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what was said. Tell me what you were feeling at that moment. I mean, that's how they always treated us. So it wasn't any different. I was just ready to move on to the next steps. I mean, that's when Marissa went into action and started cold calling attorneys. Who will help us officially clear his name, even though he's dead? Because it means something.
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34:55there the the real killer Brashears is stopped at a checkpoint it was near El Paso and he had a 380 gun with him it fit the description of the gun that had been used by the murders there was a 22 and a 380 that was used in the murders they know he's in a stolen car They know he has a.380. Yeah, that was hard to hear. The judicial system failed us in multiple states. Florida let him go early for who knows why. He should have still been in jail when he committed the yogurt shop murders. Even in 99, he shot himself with the same gun. I was like, how does he get the gun back? like if maybe Niven would have been tested then like maybe they would have picked it up and figured it out like I would like to know how when when was the last time you know I think I should make it clear that Niven is that data center that keeps track of ballistics and weapons used in in crimes Yeah.
36:10It felt like a series of unfortunate events that led to the arrest and murder of Maurice is what it felt like. There were so many things that had to play out and went wrong that resulted in his death. Is it hard for you to accept that he doesn't know? His family knows. Everyone in Austin knows. and Maurice did not live long enough to find out. It's hard that they knew the truth and they just didn't care and that it didn't matter that they were ruining four boys' lives. I feel that today. Like nobody really cares about the four boys or the harm that it caused them or our families. and it's still focused more on the serial killer and the victim's families than the four boys.
37:16You don't think today that anybody is interested or cares about what you all went through? Not as much. Well, not as much. Yeah. you began working with the Innocence Project of Texas. Marissa, it really was important for your father to be cleared and exonerated. That did matter. Was there any question that was going to happen? I mean, was it? I mean, because we know that that hearing was held. But was there any question before it was held whether, in fact, There would be an apology and and there would be an exoneration of all four men, including your dad. Not in my mind. It it came to pass and we were able to be there and experience it and see it for him.
38:15I I was not there. I watched it afterwards. And when Mike Scott, who was the only one of the four who actually testified at that hearing, took the stand. I didn't even recognize him. He looked like an old guy. In my mind, I was still seeing the Michael Scott, even from 1999 and when he went on trial. And it really showed me how much time had gone by and the weight that had been on these individuals. Did that help to finally have this hearing where at least the state of Texas and most of America could see that your father's name had been cleared? I was definitely grateful. I was happy to see it myself.
39:12But in my mind, it's a little too late. He's not here to experience the things that he should have been able to do to see that the people finally hear him and are listening to him and know his innocence because we've known all along families known all along what about you Kimberly um I mean I think it was a little cathartic to go through it write the statement say what I wanted to say I honestly thought it would never be solved in my lifetime so it was kind of a relief to finally just hear it all. I mean, the DA did apologize, you know, publicly. That day was a good day for us. We're hoping that out of it, all of the things that went wrong will be brought to light and some serious reform will, you know, come out of it.
40:16All right. And that's what I want to get to, because I know that is really the reason why you're sitting down with us. I know that you really want to talk about the changes. So the city of Austin has agreed to pay all four men, and in your case, the family of Maurice Pierce, $35 million. And it's been reported that your family will get$10 million. Is that correct? Yes. I think some people will look and say, that's a lot of money to people. Other people will say it's not enough. What do you think? Oh, it's definitely not enough for his life. It was very hard to try to say that that was enough. So tell me about some of the changes you would really like to be, you'd really like to see.
41:12I would like a child advocate to be appointed to any juvenile being questioned as a witness or a suspect, especially in a murder case. There should have been, I mean, they violated our rights. They didn't call our parents. They talked to us without them. Obviously, that shouldn't happen. And Paul Johnson admits that, you know, the entire interrogation was not taped, right? Only excerpts are parts of it. That should not be allowed to happen. That should be. You want the whole thing taped. And Paul Johnson became the lead detective. Correct. I don't need excerpts. I don't need, you know, you feeding him information after you've shown him, you know, the graphic photos of the girls, you know, dead when he was 16 years old.
42:08Right. Like that, that should not be what's happening. So, in fact, Maurice, early on, even at age 16, they're showing him pictures of the victims to try to get him to confess. Yes. And you want to see that change. Well, they should not be allowed to lie to, I mean, anyone, but especially juveniles. You know, Maurice thought they're not allowed to lie to you. They're the cops. They're telling the truth. Like, he honestly thought it was the truth. He had no doubt in his mind they were telling him the truth. They're the law. Even when, right, they were questioning Mike, like when the one detective puts the gun to the back of his head, you know, like, you did it like that.
42:54That should not be allowed. ever, right? If you're getting a confession that way, that's problematic. That's clearly coerced. And then we also want all of Paul Johnson's cases reviewed. And has the city of Austin or has the APD, the Austin Police Department, promised to end some of these practices or are you working towards that? We're working towards that. There were seven different reform requests. I know this is not part of this settlement with the city, but I have to ask as a reporter, is there some changes you'd like to see in what we do, what I do? Really dig in. Maybe, you know, like I said, the narrative in the beginning, I felt like not a lot of reporters were really, truly questioning the evidence and the alibi and the how are we here?
43:58You know, just ask some of those out of the box questions. So even maybe you as a reporter, when a detective tells you this is who we think it is, you know, maybe it holds validity because they're a detective, right? But that's not the case. And I think that's important for us to all realize is that everyone should be questioned. I mean, I think now, you know, in 2026, people are questioning authorities more than we did in the 90s. I think, you know, there is so much more on caught on camera, right? So it's harder for them to get away with it and hide what they're doing behind closed doors. I have to say, Kimberly, I also think that if this had happened today, there would have been cameras in the yogurt shop and, you know, cameras outside.
44:55And this might not have happened. But what your family went through, it just should not happen to anyone. I feel like I want to leave it with the two of you describing, how do you want us to see Maurice Pierce? I mean, he was a husband, a father, a brother, an uncle. He loved to work on any type of car or motorcycle. He liked old muscle cars. years um you know he just would go out of his way to to help somebody if you know he thought um something was wrong you stood by him all those years what did you love about him I don't know if I could point I mean I just he was he was mine I guess I loved the way that he loved me?
45:54He was, uh, he was home. Um, he was like a, a, you know, kind of like that anchor and, uh, he was tender and he was kind. He was always just so gentle. He was, um, our home and our safe space and our protection, but he was also love, just so much love. And that's what gives me the courage to sit here is I know that life was heavy for him, but he still got up every morning and he still tried every day. I want to thank both of you for talking about this and I want to know what happens and I really appreciate that the two of you spoke with us today. Thank you. We'll be back next week with another episode of Case by Case.
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From the publisher
For decades, Maurice Pierce, Robert Springsteen, Michael Scott, and Forrest Welborn lived under the shadow of the Yogurt Shop Murders, a crime that left an indelible mark on Austin and forever changed the lives of the the families of the victims: Eliza Thomas, Amy Ayers, and sisters Jennifer and Sarah Harbison. All four men were ultimately declared innocent and later exonerated after investigators linked another man to the killings. After reporting on this case for more 30 years, "48 Hours" correspondent Erin Moriarty speaks with Pierce's widow and daughter about the devastating toll of a wrongful accusation, their family's fight to clear his name, a financial settlement, and what justice means when it arrives decades too late.
