03/08/2026: Targeting Americans, Secretary Hegseth

9 Mar 2026 · 47 min · 22 chapters

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Podcast Summary: 60 Minutes - Episode "03/08/2026: Targeting Americans, Secretary Hegseth"

Podcast Overview 60 Minutes is a renowned investigative journalism program that offers in-depth reporting on a variety of global issues, including politics, health, and technology. This episode features a detailed investigation into a classified U.S. mission discovering a microwave weapon linked to mysterious brain injuries among American diplomats and military personnel.

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Episode Details

  • Air Date: March 8, 2026
  • Correspondents: Scott Pelley and Major Garrett
  • Producers: Andy Court, Andy Bast, Arden Farhi

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Microwave Weapon Discovery
  2. Background: A classified U.S. intelligence mission revealed a new microwave weapon possibly linked to severe brain injuries reported by U.S. diplomats and military personnel since 2016, commonly referred to as "Havana Syndrome."
  3. Victims' Experiences:
  4. Victims reported sudden and debilitating symptoms, including:
  5. Severe headaches
  6. Hearing and vision impairments
  7. Cognitive dysfunction
  8. Personal accounts describe immediate pain and confusion, with many suffering long-term health consequences.
  1. Government Response
  2. Skepticism of Victims: For years, victims were met with disbelief from governmental investigations. They were often labeled as suffering from "mass hysteria" or other psychological issues.
  3. Scientific Investigation:
  4. Dr. David Relman led investigations suggesting that the symptoms could be caused by exposure to radiofrequency or microwave energy, supported by findings of Russian research into similar weapons.
  5. The U.S. government maintained that evidence suggested it was "very unlikely" that these injuries were the result of foreign attacks.
  1. The Role of the CIA
  2. Internal Response: A former CIA officer revealed that the agency sought to downplay the seriousness of the incidents to avoid acknowledging a foreign adversary's involvement.
  3. Emotional Toll: The dismissive approach led to significant emotional distress among victims and their families, impacting their careers and mental health.
  1. Acquisition of the Microwave Weapon
  2. Intelligence Operations: The U.S. acquired a miniaturized microwave weapon from a Russian criminal network in 2024, illustrating that such technology is already in circulation and poses a potential threat.
  3. Characteristics of the Weapon:
  4. Portable and concealable
  5. Programmable with a range effective for several hundred feet
  6. Capable of targeting individuals in both domestic and espionage scenarios.
  1. Interview with Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth
  2. Current State of War in Iran: Major Garrett interviews Hegseth regarding military operations against Iran amidst ongoing conflicts, emphasizing U.S. military superiority and strategic objectives.
  3. Surrender Terms: Hegseth discusses the concept of "unconditional surrender" and the U.S. military's commitment to neutralizing perceived threats.

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Key Takeaways

  • Emerging Threats: The episode highlights the evolution of warfare and espionage, particularly through the use of non-traditional weapons like microwave technology.
  • Victims' Advocacy: The discussion underscores the importance of acknowledging and supporting victims of these mysterious attacks, advocating for their recognition and appropriate medical attention.
  • Government Accountability: There are significant implications regarding how governmental organizations handle classified information and their responsibility toward personnel safety and health.

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Conclusion This episode of 60 Minutes provides a critical look at the intersection of military technology, governmental accountability, and the human impact of invisible warfare. The revelations about the microwave weapon and the ongoing struggles of its victims call for a reassessment of how we understand and respond to contemporary threats in global security.

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Uncovering the Mystery of Brain Injuries

1:25 to 2:43

Exploration of mysterious brain injuries affecting U.S. officials.

“I immediately felt fullness in my head and just a piercing headache.”

New Findings on a Foreign Weapon

2:43 to 3:57

Details of a classified U.S. mission revealing a new weapon.

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Victims Share Their Harrowing Experiences

3:57 to 4:55

First-hand accounts from victims of mysterious attacks and injuries.

“Well, now 60 Minutes has learned that a weapon that can inflict these injuries was obtained overseas and secretly tested on animals on a U.S.”

Medical Consequences of the Attacks

4:55 to 5:59

Discussing the lasting health impacts on victims of these incidents.

“He told us near Washington, D.C., he was struck by an unseen force five times in five months.”

Government's Doubts and Dismissals

5:59 to 7:49

Exploration of the government's skepticism regarding victims' claims.

“Right at the beginning of January, I woke up with immense joint pain everywhere, with shoulder pain in my left shoulder, out of the blue, no trauma.”

Scientific Investigations into Microwave Injuries

7:49 to 9:12

Discussing scientific findings on potential microwave weapon causes.

“Multiple surgeries have tried to repair bones in her inner ear and her skull.”

Challenges in Government Reactions

9:12 to 11:41

Insights into internal government attitudes toward the investigations.

“was a form of radiofrequency or microwave energy.”

Personal Impact of AHI on Families

14:03 to 15:38

Learn about the emotional toll and personal decisions faced by families affected by AHI.

“because we were worried that, you know, my family would be affected by AHI, whether we were at home while we were serving overseas or in the field just walking around.”

CIA Response to AHI Victims

15:38 to 16:18

Discover the disturbing attitudes and actions of CIA officials towards AHI victims.

“But about the same time, a different classified mission was underway.”

Emergence of a Microwave Weapon

16:55 to 18:12

Learn about the classified microwave weapon linked to brain injuries in U.S. officials.

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Witness Accounts and Evidence

18:12 to 20:54

Hear firsthand accounts of CIA officers and the evidence supporting claims of a weapon.

“There's a part of this, Scott, that has to do with moral injury, and that's the idea of betrayal.”

The Investigation's Shocking Discoveries

20:54 to 24:08

Uncover the findings about the weapon's capabilities and its implications for U.S. officials.

“It's designed to be concealed and small enough to be carried by a person.”

Political Implications of the Cover-Up

24:08 to 27:07

Explore the political motivations behind the alleged cover-up of AHI incidents.

“Some of the specific explanations the CIA had used were just crazy.”

Government's Response to Threats

27:07 to 28:02

Discuss the government's potential reactions to state-sponsored threats against U.S. officials.

“We're told at the Pentagon, people who had investigated the attacks for the Department of Defense have been moved to a unit that develops new weapons.”

Fear and Paranoia: A State Actor's Influence

28:02 to 29:55

Explore the potential impact of state actors creating fear and paranoia in the U.S.

“The impact of that is astronomical and it's something you can't almost even calculate.”

Military Recognition and Acknowledgment of Sacrifice

29:56 to 31:18

Discussion on the recognition of military victims and the implications of warfare.

“I think it's time we as a country come to grips with the fact that But the game has changed.”

Secretary Hegseth on Military Operations in Iran

32:26 to 34:26

Discussion with Secretary Hegseth on U.S. military operations against Iran.

“in their second week, tonight you will hear from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.”

The Nature of Warfare: Surrender and Strategy

34:27 to 37:16

Exploration of military strategy and the concept of unconditional surrender in warfare.

“whether their pride lets them say it out loud or not, it's President Trump who will set the terms of that.”

U.S. Intelligence and Iran's Nuclear Program

37:17 to 42:00

Insight into U.S. intelligence efforts regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions and military actions.

“international monitors estimate that Iran still has more than 970 pounds of nearly bomb-grade uranium.”

Understanding U.S. Military Strategy in Iran

42:00 to 44:13

Learn about the current U.S. military strategy regarding Iran and its implications.

“It's not a regime change war in the conventional George W.”

Economic Impact of Conflict in the Strait of Hormuz

44:16 to 45:16

Discover how the conflict in the Strait of Hormuz is affecting global oil prices and U.S. gas prices.

“through which 20 % of the world's oil flows, have stalled.”

The Secret to American Innovation According to Bill Ford

45:16 to 46:36

Explore Bill Ford's perspective on innovation and the importance of investing in people.

“Thomas Edison, George Washington Carver, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, each complex as they were transformational.”
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1:07Major Garrett:The worst pain I have ever felt, it felt like a vice gripping my brainstem was there.

1:15Scott Pelley:He's one of many U.S. government officials who tell us they were hit out of nowhere by an overpowering force that inflicts lifelong disabilities. I immediately felt fullness in my head and just a piercing headache. Tonight, the decade-long mystery may be solved. 60 Minutes has details of a classified intelligence mission that discovered a new kind of weapon built by a foreign adversary.

1:46Major Garrett:I mean, if we acknowledge that this was a state actor that was doing this, it is essentially a declaration of war against the United States.

1:58Major Garrett:With American and Israeli strikes in Iran entering their second week, you will hear tonight from Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth about what the U.S. hopes to achieve. You said this is not a regime change war, but the regime has changed. That's obvious. Can you square the two? Sure. Go ahead.

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3:26Scott Pelley:Tonight, we have details of a classified U.S. intelligence mission that has obtained a previously unknown weapon that may finally unlock a mystery. Since at least 2016, U.S. diplomats, spies, and military officers have suffered crippling brain injuries. They've told of being hit by an overwhelming force damaging their vision, hearing, sense of balance, and cognition. But the government has doubted their stories. They've been called delusional. Well, now 60 Minutes has learned that a weapon that can inflict these injuries was obtained overseas and secretly tested on animals on a U.S. military base.

4:14Scott Pelley:We've investigated this mystery for nine years. This is our fourth story called Targeting Americans. Despite official government doubt, we never stopped reporting because of the haunting stories we heard, like this.

4:31Major Garrett:The very first incident occurred in August of 2020. And what it felt like was that someone punched me in the throat and my left ear was clogged. And I started to get sharp shooting pains going down my left arm.

4:46Scott Pelley:Chris and Heidi asked us not to use their last name. They met in the Air Force Academy. Chris retired as a lieutenant colonel working on highly classified spy satellites. He told us near Washington, D.C., he was struck by an unseen force five times in five months.

5:08Major Garrett:The second attack, I was standing in my kitchen looking out at the backwoods, and it felt like an immediate vice on my head. Immediately disoriented, confused, and dizzy. The third attack, towards the end of September, I was sitting in our living room, and instantaneously, all of the muscles within my spine immediately cramped, much like a charley horse, and my spine felt like it was on fire, so very hot and sharp. The fifth one was by far the worst, and that was early December, and I woke up with a full-body convulsion. The worst pain I have ever felt, it felt like a vice gripping my brain stem was there.

5:54Scott Pelley:All in your own home?

5:56Major Garrett:All in my home in Northern Virginia. And Heidi was within my proximity for the last two attacks.

6:02Scott Pelley:Heidi, what happened to you?

6:04Major Garrett:Right at the beginning of January, I woke up with immense joint pain everywhere, with shoulder pain in my left shoulder, out of the blue, no trauma.

6:15Scott Pelley:Bones in her shoulder were dissolving, something called osteolysis. She had to have surgery. Has there been any lasting effect?

6:26Major Garrett:Significant. So I'm on two neurological drugs every day, and without them I have very severe symptoms. I had sustained significant damage to multiple organ systems.

6:38Scott Pelley:You believe you were attacked? Yes. By a foreign adversary? Yes. In the line of duty? Yes. It's a belief shared by officials and their families that we've met over the years. See if you notice what we heard. There was this FBI agent.

6:56Major Garrett:And bam, inside my right ear, it was like a dentist drilling on steroids.

7:02Scott Pelley:This Commerce Department official in China.

7:05Major Garrett:I could feel this sound in my head. It was intense pressure on both of my temples.

7:14Scott Pelley:This early victim was among cases from Cuba, which gave the mystery the name Havana Syndrome. Severe ear pain started. So I liken it to if you put a Q-tip too far and you bounce off your eardrum. Well, imagine taking a sharp pencil and just kind of poke in that. And this wife of a Justice Department official posted in Europe.

7:35Major Garrett:And it just pierced my ears, came in my left side, felt like it came through the window into my left ear.

7:43Scott Pelley:I immediately felt fullness in my head and just a piercing headache. Multiple surgeries have tried to repair bones in her inner ear and her skull. Many victims have lifelong disabilities. What struck us about their stories is this. People who never met tell it the same way. The government acknowledges the injuries and often pays for health care, but for years it has doubted the cause. Victims have been told it may be atmospheric or environmental, a virus, a pre-existing condition, or, as the FBI put it in an early investigation, mass hysteria. The official word published in 2023 and still standing says it is very unlikely these are attacks by a foreign adversary.

8:39Scott Pelley:Do you believe the victims? Absolutely.

8:43Major Garrett:Dr.

8:44Scott Pelley:David Relman is a Stanford University professor of medicine asked by the government to lead two investigations. His panels included doctors, physicists, engineers, and others. Their reports in 2020 and 2022 proposed a theory.

9:03Major Garrett:The two panels, the investigations that I know well, both concluded much the same, which was that the most plausible explanation for a subset of these cases was a form of radiofrequency or microwave energy.

9:22Scott Pelley:Microwaves are a range of frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum. Various microwave frequencies are generated by your oven, radar systems, TV transmitters. Even your phone, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth use microwaves. Dr. David Relman told us his investigations found that one country had done a great deal of research on creating something different, a unique pattern of microwaves that can damage the brain.

9:55Major Garrett:In both of our investigations, we found the large majority of work to have been conducted in the former Soviet Union. And what they found was that effects could range from loss of consciousness to seizures to memory lapses, inability to concentrate, headaches, intense pressure, pain, disorientation, difficulty with balance. Many of the things that we heard about from victims of Havana syndrome.

10:28Scott Pelley:The Russians had been doing experiments in this area decades ago? Decades ago, yes. Of a wide variety of sorts. In a previous story on this mystery, we found a 2014 reference to a weapon. Compelled by a lawsuit, the National Security Agency confirmed intelligence of a high-powered microwave system weapon associated with a hostile country. But the CIA believed such a weapon would need enormous power and be as big as a truck, so not likely. Years later, when Dr. Relman's expert panel suggested these could be microwave injuries, the idea was shelved by federal officials.

11:17Major Garrett:And what really unnerves me is the confidence with which others have dismissed or ignored this work only to say, that's not possible. That's not plausible. I don't believe it. That's fine.

11:36Scott Pelley:But show me new evidence nobody has. Do you believe that your studies were downplayed by the U.S. government? By parts of the U.S. government? Absolutely.

11:48Major Garrett:And not only downplayed, but dismissed. In some cases, buried. I started in March of 2015.

11:58Scott Pelley:Why buried? This man may know. He's a former CIA officer who asked us not to use his name. He is speaking tonight for the first time. In 2021, he volunteered to work on the CIA's investigation because of the suffering he'd seen among CIA officers and their families overseas.

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12:23Major Garrett:I mean, these were my colleagues. These are my friends. These were people I had worked with, and I saw lives that were destroyed, careers were ruined, people's kids were affected, they have lifelong developmental issues. People now are even still having cognitive issues and having all types of secondary effects years and years later. It became an emotional topic for me because I saw this happening and I volunteered to work in the AHI unit and I wanted to make a difference.

12:50Scott Pelley:He joined the so-called AHI investigation at CIA headquarters. AHI because the government calls the cases not attacks, but anomalous health incidents. He expected to dig into whether a foreign adversary, a so-called state actor, was behind this. But it didn't go that way.

13:15Major Garrett:So, one of the very first things that I heard when I arrived at the AHI unit was, our job is to bring down the temperature on AHI at headquarters. And that was a surprise to me. So, bringing down the temperature is not, hey, let's go after the issue and find out what's going on. It became very much an emotional and almost kind of like a propaganda type thing.

13:37Scott Pelley:And by bring down the temperature, they meant what?

13:40Major Garrett:It basically was saying, hey, we're going to work towards this being an atmospheric and environmental issue versus it being a state actor. And so they did not want people talking about it being a state actor.

13:49Scott Pelley:Because, he says, fear of the mysterious AHIs was creating havoc. That fear and paranoia you describe, how did that affect CIA officers and their families?

14:02Major Garrett:Yeah, so personally, my own family left early for my tour by multiple months because we were worried that, you know, my family would be affected by AHI, whether we were at home while we were serving overseas or in the field just walking around. I saw multiple other officers short their tours, their families leave early, pick different locations where AHIs were not happening. And this was U.S. government-wide. This was not just relegated to CIA.

14:29Scott Pelley:What would you say was the attitude of your bosses toward the victims who had reported in?

14:35Major Garrett:So this was one of the more disgusting things that I came across, to be honest, working in the AHI unit. I'll never forget, in one instance, a senior member of the AHI unit came into my office. And that officer came in and said, yeah, we're going to have a happy hour. We're all going to have simulated AHIs and drink together. And she basically emulated that she was having a stroke and making fun of the victims. And to me, that was deplorable. It was disgusting. There was no sense of we're going to get to the bottom of this. No. The bottom of it was we're going to prove that this is psychosomatic, atmospheric, and environmental.

15:10Scott Pelley:All of this, he says, led him to resign.

15:13Major Garrett:I left because I saw the personal impact of this issue. And for me, it became a moral issue because they kept saying, our people are our highest priority. But when it came down to it, that wasn't the case from what I saw. And it was something that tore me up emotionally. I knew people who were affected by AHI, who were victims of AHI. I saw it destroy their families, their kids, their careers. It wasn't somewhere I could keep working after that.

15:37Scott Pelley:The investigation at the CIA essentially ended in 2022. But about the same time, a different classified mission was underway. 60 Minutes has learned U.S. agents who investigate illicit arms dealers heard that a Russian criminal network was selling a microwave weapon. Our sources tell us undercover agents of the Department of Homeland Security bought the weapon in 2024. The mission cost about$15 million, funded by the Pentagon. When we come back, details of the weapon and the results of testing at a U.S. military base.

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17:25Scott Pelley:60 Minutes has learned details of a classified microwave weapon that may explain mysterious brain injuries suffered by U.S. officials. We've been investigating these injuries for nine years, and now our sources tell us this microwave weapon is portable, concealable, and uses relatively little power. Hundreds of possible attacks have been reported, including, we've learned, at CIA headquarters in Virginia and at least two incidents on the grounds of the White House. For years, the government doubted the stories of the injured, but now the victims, including former CIA officer Mark Polymeropoulos, hope that word of a newly discovered weapon will finally vindicate them.

18:17Scott Pelley:There's a part of this, Scott, that has to do with moral injury, and that's the idea of betrayal. You know, I worked for 26 years for the CIA.

18:24Major Garrett:I think I was involved in every covert action program in the Middle East. I did some very interesting things for the U.S. government, always with the idea that they would have my back if I got jammed up. I just needed to get medical care when I came back, and they wouldn't even do that. So this moral injury, this sense of betrayal is so acute with me. That's something that I can never forgive them for.

18:46Scott Pelley:Mark Polymeropoulos rose to an executive level at the CIA about the equivalent of a three-star general. He was awarded a top decoration for service. In 2017, he says he was overwhelmed in a hotel room in Moscow. I woke up in the middle of the night. It was a, no, I didn't hear any sound, but I woke up with incredible vertigo. The room was spinning. I had a blinding headache. I had tinnitus ringing in my ears, and I felt like I was going to be physically sick. It was a terrifying feeling where I'd lost control.

19:21Major Garrett:You know, something that seriously happened to me. And I remember feeling, you know, that this is so unusual. I'd been shot at in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. I'd been in physical danger. But this was terrifying.

19:32Scott Pelley:He was treated for vertigo, migraines, loss of vision, and trouble with memory and concentration. Disabled, he retired. Later, in 2023, his own agency was among those that concluded it is very unlikely that he and the others were attacked by an adversary. Which, of course, to me is a betrayal because CIA is supposed to be about putting people first, and they did not. Are you saying this is a cover-up?

20:02Major Garrett:This is a massive CIA cover-up, and I'll say this with great regret. It's an organization that I loved.

20:08Scott Pelley:I believe in the mission. I was really good at this job. To this day, I want to see the CIA operate in a strong and effective manner. Polymeropolis and other victims have been doubted for years. Some in the CIA believe that a microwave weapon must be the size of a truck, and so not plausible. But that changed dramatically in 2024. Three independent sources from different agencies tell us that undercover Homeland Security agents purchased a miniaturized microwave weapon from a complex Russian criminal network. It's classified, we didn't see it, but it has been described to us. We are told it doesn't look anything like a gun.

20:54Scott Pelley:It's designed to be concealed and small enough to be carried by a person. It is silent and doesn't create heat like a microwave oven. Our sources say the device is programmable for different scenarios and can be operated by remote control. The range of the beam is several hundred feet. It can penetrate windows and drywall. The vital components were made in Russia. Our sources say the key is not the hardware but the software. The programming shapes a unique electromagnetic wave that rises and falls abruptly and pulses rapidly. Pulsed microwave radiation. Just what Dr. David Relman's investigations predicted.

21:43Scott Pelley:He wouldn't talk about classified information in our interview, but his research found that Russian scientists had been perfecting the concept for decades.

21:54Major Garrett:And what the Russians spoke about was the importance of the energy being pulsed in order to have biological effects on humans. When you produce pulses like this, you can actually stimulate electrically active tissue, like brain tissue, and the heart for that matter, mimicking what the brain normally does, but now you're driving it with your pulses from the outside. An ideal stealth weapon. Ideal. Ideal. Because literally, the person feels as if this is in my head.

22:30Scott Pelley:Our confidential sources tell us the still-classified weapon has been tested in a U.S. military lab for more than a year. Tests on rats and sheep show injuries consistent with those seen in humans. Also, as a separate part of the investigation, security camera videos have been collected that show Americans being hit. The videos are classified, but they were described to us. In one, a camera in a restaurant in Istanbul captured two FBI agents on vacation sitting at a table with their families. A man with a backpack walks in, and suddenly, everyone at the table grabs their head as if in pain. Our sources say another video comes from a stairwell in the U.S.

23:23Scott Pelley:Embassy in Vienna. The stairs lead to a secure facility. In the video, two people on the stairs suddenly collapse. Those videos and the weapon were among the reasons the Biden administration summoned about half a dozen victims to the White House, with about two months left in the president's term. I remember the day well because I helped to organize the meeting. By that time, Dr. Relman was a White House advisor.

23:53Major Garrett:These folks in the Biden White House believed these people and believed that their injuries were not caused by known medical or environmental conditions the way the CIA was asserting, which again to me was just egregious.

24:08Scott Pelley:Some of the specific explanations the CIA had used were just crazy. A high-level CIA source has told us, and this is a direct quote, This is the biggest cover-up I've seen in my adult life. End quote. Do you believe it was a cover-up? Yes, I do.

24:31Major Garrett:Through a variety of purposes and means, not necessarily as a pre-planned strategic operation, but in essence, it arrives at the same result.

24:48Scott Pelley:Help me understand what you think the motive could have been.

24:53Major Garrett:We want this to go away so that we can resume normal operations. They had dug in opinions going back years about the plausibility of a non-thermal microwave mechanism. In fact, when we began our work, we were briefed by their experts and told, Nothing in the scientific literature will support the idea that microwave energy can do things like this.

25:22Scott Pelley:They had made up their minds. It seems they had. And it almost seems as though consistency was more important than objectivity. Retired CIA officer Mark Polymeropoulos was in that White House meeting.

25:44Major Garrett:And so what the Biden administration was telling us is that something had changed. New intelligence had come in. Now, I don't have a security clearance, and this was an unclassified meeting, so they could not put forward that this was based on new intelligence. But it was clear to me that that's what they were insinuating.

25:58Scott Pelley:Dr. Paul Friedrichs brought a message to the meeting. He's a retired major general, formerly one of the Pentagon's top doctors. He said very clearly, I'm sorry. I want to apologize to you. I've never seen in 30 plus years of practicing military medicine, victims treated in such a terrible manner.

26:17Major Garrett:And I just want to offer my apologies to you.

26:20Scott Pelley:What did that mean to you? I have chills now thinking about it. I had chills then. It was an indication that at least some people in the Biden administration and the Biden White House believed us.

26:28Major Garrett:Any American would be embarrassed if you were to see how these people have been treated and then to be dismissed this way as malingerers or people who are manufacturing things for some other purpose.

26:45Scott Pelley:It's insulting. Our sources tell us that the Biden White House wrote a public statement backing the victims, but never released it. So far, the Trump administration has not changed the words in the 2023 intelligence assessment that it is very unlikely the victims were attacked. But our sources also tell us the Trump administration has briefed top intelligence officials in Congress and shown them a classified picture of the weapon. We're told at the Pentagon, people who had investigated the attacks for the Department of Defense have been moved to a unit that develops new weapons. It was apparent to me that they did not take this issue seriously.

27:33Scott Pelley:Looking back, the CIA officer who quit the investigation in disgust told us in his view the CIA was careless against a ruthless adversary. If there was a foreign adversary, Russia in particular, would you think of this operation as a success? Absolutely.

27:57Major Garrett:From an intelligence perspective, this would be a resounding success. Let's say one of these cases was real and it created all this fear, paranoia, anxiety here in the United States and overseas. The impact of that is astronomical and it's something you can't almost even calculate. And I don't think if it was a state actor, if it was the Russians, which I believe it is, I don't think that is something they would have put into their calculus, that it would have gotten this big. And I think they saw the fear, the paranoia that it created. And I think that's why it continued to happen for that period of time over a span of a year.

28:30Scott Pelley:Across the previous stories that we've done on this subject, I have had the same question. I think you are the first person who could plausibly answer the question. And that is why. Why would the government want to bury this?

28:46Major Garrett:I think it comes down to a political question. I mean, if we acknowledge that this was a state actor that was doing this, it is essentially a declaration of war against the United States, which has to have a response from the United States government. In my opinion, I don't know that the appetite was there to respond to the Russians at that time.

29:04Scott Pelley:In our 2024 story, a collaboration with Russian dissident magazine TheInsider.ru we found evidence of Russian involvement. When this wife of a Justice Department official was seriously wounded overseas, an agent of Russian intelligence was in her vicinity. For this report, the Department of Defense declined to comment. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees 18 agencies, including the CIA, told us that a new review of AHI will be comprehensive and complete, and we remain committed to delivering the truth.

29:49Major Garrett:And I really hope that they do.

29:51Scott Pelley:The victims are waiting, including Chris and Heidi, who told us at the beginning of our story of being attacked five times in their home.

30:01Major Garrett:I think it's time we as a country come to grips with the fact that But the game has changed. Our adversaries are now able to reach out and touch us here in the United States, specifically at our homes.

30:15Scott Pelley:What do you believe the government owes you?

30:19Major Garrett:I would say that for me and my military brothers and sisters who are hurt, being issued a Purple Heart is acknowledgment of our sacrifice to the country. and the sacrifice we made that affects not only us, but also our families.

30:42Scott Pelley:The sources who informed our reporting told us the classified mission to obtain the microwave weapon points to a troubling reality. They say there are likely many of these devices, and if undercover agents could purchase one from gangsters, then the Russians have lost control of a stealth weapon that could be used by anyone, anywhere.

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31:32Scott Pelley:R.J. freaking Decker as I live and breathe. He's a private eye.

31:36Major Garrett:It's not a standard murder.

31:38Scott Pelley:It's someone bigger. And a public mess. Trying to get someone back to prison today?

31:41Major Garrett:You go to prison one time and suddenly it's all the jokes.

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31:52Major Garrett:Okay, family, thanks for dinner. I should get going now. Not without dessert. Done. just ordered on DoorDash. I keep eating cake, but tomorrow's Juan's graduation. Well, that deserves a toast. Let me get some drinks. All right. Craving snacks. Wait. This time, I'll get it. Oh. I sent it to my own address. I'll have to go. No. Why so soon? For every reason to stay together, I DoorDash in La Casa. With U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran in their second week, tonight you will hear from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. According to the Pentagon, more than 50 ,000 members of the U.S. military are involved in the execution of what it calls Operation Epic Fury.

32:40Major Garrett:Our CBS News colleague, Major Garrett, spoke with Hegseth about the war with Iran.

32:52The U.S.

32:53Major Garrett:military said it had already struck 3 ,000 targets inside Iran when we met with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth on Friday. The Speaker of the House said late this week, the mission is, and I'm quoting him directly here, nearly accomplished by all estimates. Is that true? We're very much on track, on plan. I was down at CENTCOM yesterday. So we might hear that and think it's almost over. Well, we're not flying a mission accomplished banner like George W. Bush on an aircraft carrier. We're not doing that and we haven't done that. But we can be clear with the American people that this is not a fair fight, and that's on purpose.

33:29Major Garrett:Our capabilities are overwhelming compared to what Iran's are. And frankly, when you combine our air force with the air force of the Israeli defense forces, it's the two most powerful air forces in the world. The ability for us to be up over the top and hunting with more conventional munitions, gravity bombs, 500-pound, 1 ,000-pound, 2 ,000-pound bombs on military targets, we haven't even really begun to start that effort of the campaign, which is going to showcase even more how we will execute on those objectives. The President said recently there will be no deal with Iran except unconditional surrender.

34:03Major Garrett:What does that look like? Unconditional surrender? How will you know it's real? It means we're fighting to win. It means we set the terms. We'll know when they're not capable of fighting. There'll be a point where they'll have no choice but to do that. Whether they know it or not, they will be combat ineffective. They will surrender. Typically the understanding of a surrender is person to person. Is that what would be required in a matter like this? Well, there's a lot of different ways. Whether they want to admit it or not, whether their pride lets them say it out loud or not, it's President Trump who will set the terms of that.

34:33Major Garrett:The president of Iran said yesterday that the U.S. demand for unconditional surrender is, quote, a dream that they should take to their grave. There was a very long war between Iran and Iraq, almost eight years, and they never surrendered in that war. And I'm just wondering if that factors into your calculus of the president's calculus. I mean, there was a really long fight that I was a part of and my generation was a part of in Iraq and Afghanistan, where a lot of foolish approaches were used. This is war. This is conflict. This is bringing your enemy to their knees. Now, whether they will have a ceremony in Tehran Square and surrender, that's up to them.

35:12Major Garrett:There are varying versions of how and why the war started when it did. Some normally enthusiastic supporters of the president have criticized him, suggesting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pulled the U.S. into a war that, to their minds, did not put American interests first. Do you want to address that criticism? All I know is I'm in the room every day and I see how President Trump operates and what he's putting first, and it's America, Americans, and American interests. It has been said that the Israelis, through Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, provided on February 23rd key information about intelligence they had developed about the likely whereabouts of Ali Khamenei and many in his inner circle.

35:54Major Garrett:That the U.S. then checked it out through the CIA, confirmed that, and that was an opportunity that presented itself to the president. And that was the precipitating factor for this war. That's the way it's been reported. Is that accurate, Mr. Secretary? President Trump's approach has been our interest in advancing those interests from the beginning. And so the fact that intelligence was gathered, whether from Israelis or ours, and always checked by our intel agencies to make sure it's accurate. A lot of times the best way to start operations is a trigger-based or condition-based moment. And you can work together on whether that makes sense.

36:29Major Garrett:But we were always controlling the throttle about whether or not to go or not go, and ultimately to advance American interests and protect American lives. Some might look at that sequence of events and say, well, that it was an opportunity more than an imminent threat. I mean, I think much of that discussion is silly and academic. They've been killing us for 48 years, 47 years. They have unabated nuclear ambitions. And when we obliterated their nuclear program at the end of the 12-day war in Operation Midnight Hammer, they should have come to the table and said, OK, we get it. You mean business.

37:03Major Garrett:We're not going to have nukes. And they haven't. And as a result, when the president looks at it, generationally he sees a threat that would continue to gather. Despite the administration's claim that it obliterated Iran's nuclear infrastructure in June, international monitors estimate that Iran still has more than 970 pounds of nearly bomb-grade uranium. Is it possible to achieve the objectives President Trump has set before you if we don't locate and obtain and extract the highly enriched uranium? There's a lot of different ways we can get after that. They've used a conventional umbrella of missiles that was growing every single day, their production capacity, to try to cover over their nuclear blackmail ambitions.

37:48Major Garrett:As far as how you get at that nuclear option, we'll make sure that their nuclear ambitions are never achieved. Will we take it out ourselves? I would never tell you or anybody else what our options are. See, that's another thing. People keep asking... It's a legitimate question. It's a very fair question. People ask boots on the ground, no boots on the ground, four weeks, two weeks, six weeks, go in, go in. President Trump knows, I know, you don't tell the enemy, you don't tell the press, you don't tell anybody what your limits would be on an operation. We're willing to go as far as we need to in order to be successful.

38:21Major Garrett:Do we have any overt or covert forces inside Iran now? I wouldn't tell you that if we did. The only reason I ask is earlier this week you said no. Is that still the answer? Yeah, that's still the answer. But we reserve the right. We would be completely unwise if we did not reserve the right to take any particular option, whether it included boots on the ground or no boots on the ground. CBS News has three sources telling us that Russia is providing intelligence to Iran on US positions and movements. The average American might hear that and think that's a big and dangerous deal, is it? Well, we're tracking everything.

39:02Major Garrett:Our commanders are aware of everything. We have the best intelligence in the world. We're aware of who's talking to who, why they're talking to him, how accurate that information might be, how we factor that into our battle plans, our CENTCOM commander. So we know what's going on. And the president has an incredible knack at knowing how to mitigate those risks. And so the American people can rest assured their commander in chief is well aware of who's talking to who and Anything that shouldn't be happening whether it's in public or back channeled is being confronted and confronted strongly The American people could therefore expect conversations with the Russians to stop this well President Trump as people have seen has a Unique relationship with a lot of world leaders where he can get things done that other presidents certainly Joe Biden never could have and And through direct conversations or indirect, through him one-to-one or through his cabinet, messages definitely can be delivered.

39:53Major Garrett:Does this put U.S. personnel in any more danger than they otherwise would be? Well, no one's putting us in danger. We're putting the other guys in danger. That's our job. So we're not concerned about that. We mitigate it as we need to. Our commanders factor all of this. But the only ones that need to be worried right now are Iranians that think they're going to live. Six U.S. Army reservists were killed in an Iranian drone attack in Kuwait last Sunday. President Trump and Secretary Hegseth attended the dignified transfer yesterday at Dover Air Force Base. One more service member's death was announced this afternoon.

40:30Major Garrett:The president's been right to say there will be casualties. Things like this don't happen without casualties. There will be more casualties. And no one is, I mean, especially our generation, knows what it's like to see Americans come home in caskets. But that doesn't weaken us one bit. It stiffens our spine and our resolve to say this is a fight we will finish. So far, more than 1 ,600 Iranians have been killed, according to a group called Human Rights Activists in Iran. That includes 168 people, mostly children, at a school in the southern part of the country, an area the U.S. was attacking at the time.

41:10Major Garrett:Have you made any conclusions about whether or not the United States, inadvertently or not, was involved in any military strike at that school? Well, we're still investigating, and that's where I'll leave it today. But what I will emphasize to you and to the world is that, unlike our adversaries, the Iranians, we never target civilians. There was a report late in the week from two officials that it was likely U.S. involvement. Is that report false? I've already said we're investigating. If you could tell the American public it definitively was not us, you would tell us, wouldn't you? I would say that it's being investigated, which is the only answer I'm prepared to give.

41:45Major Garrett:Tonight, Iran announced that a son of its slain leader would replace him. President Trump said this morning, any leader picked without his approval is, quote, not going to last long. You said this is not a regime change war, but the regime has changed. That's obvious. Can you square the two? Sure. Go ahead. I meant what I said. It's not a regime change war in the conventional George W. Bush context of hundreds of thousands of troops. I mean, in Afghanistan, what I watched as a young captain was Americans thinking we were going to remake a society that was basically biblical times with AK-47s and cell phones.

42:24Major Garrett:The hubris of, we're going to take Afghanistan and turn it into a Jeffersonian democracy by building Western-style forces and Western-style institutions. It was never going to work, and I saw it and watched it play out. And it doesn't dispel the courage of the Americans who fought there, who I know there. But this is not a remaking of the Iranian society from an American perspective. We tried that. The American people have rejected that. President Trump called those wars dumb. And we're not fighting that way. President Trump also said this week he would like to protect some of the people who he would like to come to power in Iran.

42:58Major Garrett:Is that a new mission for your department? No. How would you protect people that are inside the country that he might think could rise to the level of leadership there? The best way to protect them is what we're doing right now. What you see right now between American efforts and Israeli efforts is a generational opportunity for the people of Iran. This past week, Iran launched missiles and drones at nearly a dozen Middle Eastern countries, including American allies, Qatar, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia. There's reporting from our Margaret Brennan that not us, but allies in the region are running very low on interceptors.

43:38Major Garrett:Is that true, number one? Number two, how prepared How prepared are we to help them restock interceptors to protect them as we continue this campaign? Very prepared. We plan for that. As you heard Admiral Cooper yesterday lay out, CENTCOM commander, their missile projection is down 90 % from that height. So if, excuse me, missile shots. So if they can't shoot anywhere near that volume, our projections of munitions are well beyond what we would need. and we can cross-load for allies if need be, always ensuring that our forces and our troops and our bases are taken care of first. But where we can help allies, we will.

44:15Major Garrett:Since the war began, oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz, through which 20 % of the world's oil flows, have stalled. U.S. gas prices are up an average of almost 50 cents a gallon. The president said this week the Strait of Hormuz will be taken care of. How will that be taken care of, and how will the ships that are there, that are not moving, start to move and be moving with a degree of confidence that they will not be inhibited by what remains of the Iranian either boats or gun emplacements along that strait? Well, we're taking care of a lot of that. How? Well, American firepower. What was the Iranian Navy is largely no more.

44:55Major Garrett:There'll be more boats to be sunk, for sure. So their ability to project any power in that area in a naval sense is diminishing. diminishing and will be increasingly diminished. Again, what I want your viewers to understand is this is only just the beginning.

45:15Major Garrett:The names of America's great innovators are as enduring as the nation's founders. Thomas Edison, George Washington Carver, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, each complex as they were transformational. So what's the secret to American innovation? we asked Bill Ford, the executive chair of one of the nation's oldest automakers. For me, it's always been about more than technology. It's about a deep commitment to empowering workers so that everyone can achieve their full potential. My great-grandfather, Henry Ford, understood this. Back in 1914, he did more than just raise wages. He doubled salaries by creating the$5 a day wage.

45:59Major Garrett:He pushed the boundaries of what was possible in American manufacturing, and he helped create a middle class. He understood that when you invest in people, innovation follows. In doing so, Ford Motor Company put the nation on wheels and provided a freedom of movement that the country had never known. I've always believed that companies shouldn't exist unless they make people's lives better. We're here to build opportunity and communities. And that's the secret to American innovation and will be for the next 250 years. I'm Bill Whitaker. We'll be back next week with another edition of 60 Minutes.

46:44Major Garrett:Rinse knows that greatness takes time, but so does laundry. So Rinse will take your laundry and hand deliver it to your door expertly cleaned. and you can take the time pursuing your passions. Time once spent sorting and waiting, folding and queuing, now spent challenging and innovating and pushing your way to greatness. So pick up the Irish flute or those calligraphy pens or that daunting Beef Wellington recipe card and leave the laundry to us. Rinse. It's time to be great.

47:22Major Garrett:We need to get out of here now. School Spirits new season now streaming only on Paramount+.

From the publisher

The latest installment of a 60 MINUTES investigation reveals new details of a recent, classified U.S. mission that, sources tell us, obtained a type of microwave weapon. This device is believed to be similar to a weapon that has been used against U.S. diplomats, spies, and military officers, causing mysterious brain injuries.

Correspondent Scott Pelley shares in-depth reporting on the existence of the weapon; the unexplained injuries, known as Havana Syndrome; and studies from the federal government challenging the origin of the attacks. 

And, CBS News' chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett interviews Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth in Washington, D.C. about the state of the war in Iran. Andy Court, Andy Bast, and Arden Farhi are the producers. 

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