OpenAI Acquires Hiro: What’s Next?

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0:42With RSS.com, starting your own podcast is free and easy. Upload an episode and we distribute it to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and more. Track your listeners, see where they're from, and start earning from ads just like this. If you've been thinking about starting a podcast, this is your sign. Start your new podcast for free today at RSS.com. OpenAI has recently acquired yet another company. This is a AI personal finance startup called Hiro. So today we're going to talk about that and get into it. But before we do, Jayden, why don't you tell them about our school community? Yeah, every single week we record a bonus piece of content for our school community, how we're growing and scaling our businesses with AI.

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2:40So they've acquired this company, which is a personal finance company. It's called Hero. And I want to break down why I think they bought this. But I guess, Jamie, to you, anything stand out to you with just like this acquisition in general coming from OpenAI right now? Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting, like, that they're just buying up so many companies. First of all, maybe they see them as competition. Maybe they want some of the technology. I'm not really sure exactly, but, you know, I think, I think the more tools they can, you know, we've talked about this in past podcast episodes, but the more tools they can provide to like the average person who uses ChatGPT, the more valuable their company is going to be, the more users they're going to have.

3:23You know, Claude as of right now is one of those specialized tools. I think a lot of business owners are using, but I think OpenAI is targeting more of the, you know, average person who's using ChatGPT for everyday questions, things like that. So I think a financial planner could be a really good addition to that. And a lot of people would definitely be willing to take the advice of OpenAI in regards to their personal finances. But yeah, what have you heard about this company specifically? What is unique to them? Yeah, so I'll go ahead and just say that the founder, Ethan Block, is not like a new founder.

4:03He previously started a company which was called Digit. Digit was kind of like a digital-only bank, and it was kind of like helping you automatically save money. That was actually sold to Opportune in 2021 for about$200 million. So he's been in the game. He had a whole post talking about how Hero was going to be joining OpenAI. He posted it over on his LinkedIn. One thing that stood out to me is that Hero actually had a bunch of top-tier VCs. So they did raise money. What's interesting is they actually haven't disclosed how much they've raised, and they didn't disclose how much they're getting acquired for.

4:39But they did raise money from General Catalyst and Ribbit and Restive. But I mean, General Catalyst, this is like top five VC firms. So they raised money from a huge VC firm. He obviously has a really good background track record with starting this, and also specifically in personal finance. I think right now what it signals, this is probably closer to an acquihire, if I'm being honest, just like that would be my that's how I kind of classify this just considering they didn't say how much the company raised, they didn't say how much the company made, they didn't say how much they're getting acquired for when all the numbers are gone.

5:11I feel like it's kind of an acquirer. He's obviously incredibly talented. He's got a really talented team. If you go over to LinkedIn, and dig into the company a little bit, it looks like they have about 10, or 10 to 14 employees, I believe. So this isn't like a huge company, in any means, but obviously very talented. And so I think OpenAI right now is really trying to build out some of their niche specific products. And I think they're following a strategy that Anthropic and Perplexity are both doing right now. Perplexity is kind of like Perplexity Finance. Anthropic has, they have, you know, Claude Healthcare, they have Claude Finance, they have Claude Legal, like they kind of have these like different segments and they build tools specifically for those verticals.

5:57Now I know everyone complains because they're like, oh my gosh, you know, I have a friend and he works at a really big legal company and it's like publicly traded. And when Anthropic launched their Anthropic Finance, the stock of that company like tanked. It's just like went off a cliff because everyone's like, well, why do we need this, you know, this legal company that has AI embedded in it? It was probably running on top of Claude when Claude's going to do their own legal thing. Now, I think the answer is that Claude is never going to go as deep in any vertical and hit every feature of every single niche because they still have so much, you know, focused on the overarching model.

6:34So I think if you're really specifically hitting one area, you can do quite well still. But it is an interesting question. I talked to him a lot about that. And I think that this is really a strategy because Anthropic, I mean, every time they hit a new vertical like that, and every time all those the stocks, all those companies kind of crash, I mean, it's clout for them. And when they do their next fundraising round, they're like, yeah, we're hitting all these verticals. We're getting all these extra users in all these other areas. And so I think Anthropoc has played that really well. And I think OpenAI would like to clone that.

7:01So they're going to go Equihire, Ethan Block, and a bunch of other players in finance. And they're going to try to build out a really solid finance-specific OpenAI offering. And I think we'll see that in a handful of niches similar to what we've seen with Anthropoc. Yeah, this is an interesting part of the article that I'm reading. It says, it's possible that this is an effort to make OpenAI more popular with OpenClaw users who often tend to prefer Claude. OpenClaw is a popular agent for robo stock trading. I guess I haven't heard that people have been using OpenClaw to trade stocks. That sounds very risky, but apparently they are.

7:42Have you heard about this, Jaden? Yes, I've actually seen a lot of posts on LinkedIn about it. It's so hard, though, and I don't really like amplify them a lot because it's it's so hard to know what's fake and what's real. Like on X, basically, I'll see posts that are like, I have this like open claw bar and look at I have it. Blah, blah, blah, doing this and it's never lost. Something that I think I see a lot of them do is they'll go to like Polymarket, right? The betting on like events website and they'll go and find there's just these interesting automations I've seen like that are just kind of clever.

8:16and it's not because the people setting them up are like intrinsically clever because they'd probably be working at a hedge fund if they were. It's because they can essentially identify insider traders. So they'll go and look for brand new wallets that have sat dormant for a long time and then make really big outsized bets. So examples of this are like, you know, before the US announced strikes on Iran or right after the US announced that they were in peace talks with Iran, Like, or, or sometimes like with like football games and other things, it's kind of it seems sketchy. But basically, yeah, there was one where there was, yeah, you kind of see like these news stories all the time, people see the wallet make these like, someone will like bet, you know,$400 ,000 that Iran is is going to be invaded by the United like I think that was one that the US was going to go invade Iran by the end of the month.

9:07and US did invade on like the last day of the month or something. But like basically the odds were so low in the poly market, like no one was betting it. And then all of a sudden this huge bet comes out at like$400 ,000 and it made like$20 million in like a day or something. And everyone's like, well, that's crazy. So I bring all this up to say there's like all this kind of interesting insider trading stuff and people have set up these open claw bots to go and identify patterns of dormant wallets that make outsized bets on things and it copies them. So I've seen like a lot of this kind of stuff.

9:36Now, like, is it real? How do they do it? Like, they're like, I'm printing money, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you read the comments and like a lot of people call them scammers and some people say they're real. So I don't really know. I don't amplify it a lot because I have no idea. But evidently if OpenAI is focusing on more on that, they can see the actual data of usage. So, you know, whether they're gonna endorse anyone's, you know, degenerate open claw trading bot algorithm or plan or prompt is completely different. But if they can see a ton of people are using it for that, I think that they'll put resources into that direction.

10:10So it might be true. But apparently this guy, Ethan Block, the founder of Hyros, he has created his own auto trading bot called Robo Buffett on OpenClaw. So maybe people like maybe he's underground famous for this trading bot. I'm not exactly sure, but I don't know. That seems like a stretch that they're hoping to draw in OpenClaw users into OpenAI. but could be wrong. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, he obviously is a smart guy. He's been around in this industry for a while. So I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't count him out. It does seem like a solid acqua hire. I mean, the company isn't that old. It was it's from 20, you know, 2023.

10:47And they only launched their AI tool about five months ago, I'm assuming they had some good ideas, they probably didn't see the crazy adoption that they wanted. How their app worked was essentially like a user would go and put in like their financial info, salary, debt, monthly costs, and then it would basically differentiate a bunch of different what if scenarios that would help them make good financial decisions like what if you save this much money what if you did this and it would kind of forecast out where you would be in the future so i think overall it's probably a good idea they probably just didn't have the distribution or i don't know what what their company lacked but evidently open ai saw this as an awesome opportunity probably wanted to just pull in the team and a bunch of features because their whole app is shutting down their servers are shutting down they only went out for five months um so yeah i'll be curious to see what financial product spins out of OpenAI in the next few months based off of this act while hiring.

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