AI's Impact in 2024: A Conversation with ChatGPT Report Host Ryan Collier

0:00This is Jaden Schaefer from the AI Chat Podcast. Today, I'm doing a podcast episode with my good friend Ryan from the ChatGPT Report. We're excited to do an episode together today, talk about what we're seeing in AI, and tell you a little bit about each other's podcasts. I definitely recommend you go check out Ryan's podcast, which is the ChatGPT Report for some incredible news. But taking this over to you, Ryan. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. Excited to do this with you, Jane. And again, Jane's part of multiple podcasts, which I'm sure he'll tell you about, But his big one is the AI chat, which is on Spotify, as well as Apple Podcasts and wherever you find your podcasts.

0:35But I'm really excited for both of us to talk about AI and have some questions covered on each other. Like, you know, what was your favorite episode and common misconceptions and stuff like that, that I think you, the audience, might really enjoy from two people that, you know, have been running podcasts since basically the beginning. So let's kick it off. You know, Jane, what is your favorite episode or topic you've covered on your podcast? And why do you think it stands out to you? To be honest, it's such a hard question because like so much has happened this year. But like just recently, some really interesting concepts I've been looking at are autonomous agents.

1:13And I think that those are going to be coming out later this year. That's really exciting. This week, I did like three episodes on some of the advancements in video and AI. I think that's really kind of going to be the next wave. So for me, those are like some of the really exciting areas. And then as far as like interviews go, I've done some interviews with some phenomenal guests. Having Jack McCauley, one of the co-founders of Oculus, was like really interesting to see like because he was kind of in the whole like virtual reality wave. Right. And now coming into like the whole AI wave, asking him like similarities and what he predicts in the future for that.

1:46So that's been phenomenal. What about yourself? What are some of your favorite topics or podcasts you've done? Yeah, well, let me give you a quick plug. Jane also has a ton of great interviews. There's a lot like he's with the Oculus founder, as well as some other individuals that are just really in the space. And I've listened to a couple. They're really good. So he's got a lot of interviews. My podcast had about three or four. We're working on getting more, but he's really got a finger on the pulse out there. I think for me, it's actually an older episode. I kind of echo you with the text-to-image stuff, which has been unreal, but I feel like I cover that on one of my podcasts.

2:20I talk about Mid Journey and Adobe and Sally all the time. But an episode that I really resonated with was episode 38, which was about a trip notes, which AI basically made an itinerary for you for a vacation. And I'm all about kind of the everyday man's AI. And to me, that type of stuff where you can get a full itinerary of a vacation and it actually worked was, to me, incredible. You know, you got your chat GPTs and your Claude and stuff that can do that. But when you have a system that you point at a map and say, hey, make me a three day itinerary for the vacation in Miami and it'll do it and play the time's opening.

2:59I mean, it was to me, that was one of my favorite episodes to cover because I think the research on it, too. Like I was sitting in there digging through and trying to figure out if I could break the thing. And I really could. And, you know, that that episode was probably back in May. So the advancements in that have become, you know, so far from that. um but yeah and and uh kind of to resonate with you i mean have you been looking at you know you talk about the video stuff have you been looking at runway a lot recently yeah yeah runway's yeah runway's super cool um i i actually watched like i saw a twitter thread that was really interesting uh i think i retweeted it so follow me on twitter at jayden underscore ai if you want to see it but it was really cool so runway did like a academy awards kind of like video competition and so yeah I saw a Twitter thread where someone just got like had a compilation of a bunch of videos that were in that I think it's impressive you know I mean period if we have generative AI creating video but what I will say there definitely are a lot of people that are like looking at we'll see that Twitter thread or looking at some of that technology and those videos coming out being like oh man it's like it's not perfect it's not there yet like you know and like I I like understand that but like what I will say to those people is like this technology is on a crazy upward trajectory.

4:16It's going to get really, it's going to get perfect. Eventually you'll watch it and it looks just like a video of an actual person. You won't be able to tell the difference. And so I'm excited for kind of the evolution. I think that's one of the big waves that we're seeing. And what's interesting for me in that whole video space is that I feel like video is like kind of a compilation of all the other generative AI tools combined. So there's like, of course, natural language processing because you have to tell exactly what you want. And so it uses that to do the natural language processing to determine it.

4:48But also like the script and like if a person's talking, then you're going to be using like generative audio for that. And then just for the like, we know a video is just essentially like a thousand frames of pictures. So it's like it's using the, you know, stable diffusion models to generate like the images. So it's so cool to me that it's like it's got the text, it's got the image, it's got the audio. and then on top of that you have to do like music in the background if you want like a certain mood or whatever so it could do generative music and then like if you say a beach there's a crashing wave and a seagull flying like it's got to do a seagull sound effect and a crashing wave sound effect it's got to line those up with the video it is so freaking complex um that's what gets me really excited is it's like every type of generative ai on steroids is used to create video so that's why it's a little bit behind but it's going to be crazy when this stuff rolls out um you know, is more widely available.

5:39Yeah. And, you know, you make a great point. Like when it first came out, I remember doing a runway episode about it and I was less than impressed. Right. But that was only five, six months ago. And now it really is that incredible. And also, too, I mean, look at look at Dolly and Mid Journey from last December. You know, everyone was talking about how it could make a good picture. It was too fuzzy. I mean, Dolly, when it originally came out, was not that great. I mean, it was very instant that you could say that was AI that generated. Now, look at some of the stuff people are creating, and you're like, how?

6:14That doesn't even look, it's incredible. And so I don't know all the back end to it, but I do know that where are we going to be five months from now from all this stuff that people are saying, oh, well, it didn't really look that great. We'll see. But, you know, five six months. it's so crazy the the advancements happening there Ryan one thing I would love to ask you about like because I know you you look at a lot of this AI and a lot of the development in AI stuff is there anything in AI that concerns you like that worries you that you're like oof like don't like that or like that seems like it could potentially problematic like what do you have any like concerns around AI and what you're seeing yeah I think that's more kind of on the political side is what I hear a lot of people saying is who is controlling the data that's going in.

7:00I think that's what concerns me. I think if you let AI kind of do its thing and just show it the world, I think it would come to pretty good conclusions. But my concern is who's got the finger, you know, on her hand on the throttle. That's what concerns me. I mean, this stuff doesn't worry me actually as much as maybe a lot of it should, because I'm seeing a lot of people worry that it's going to take a ton of jobs right and i had an episode where it did take some jobs on like uh gosh i can't remember the name of it now but it was a basically a coding group that they everyone's using chat gbt and and uh and uh barred to figure out code and whatnot and so this group is getting killed right now because they can't no one's going into these forums to answer these questions.

7:48But I think what I'm seeing is people who aren't very good at certain things, it's turning them more into generalism, right? And you don't have to be an expert anymore. For example, coding, I can now do basic coding. If my audience is listening, they know I'm the first one to tell you I'm not a great coder, but now I can do some pretty basic coding because of AI. So I don't necessarily think it's pushing people out of jobs quite yet. But I think there is a concern with that. I just don't know what jobs are going to be pushed out. I mean, as I always say on the pod, you know, AI is not going to take your job with someone who is using AI.

8:27And I truly believe that because, you know, my job, I do LinkedIn posts and stuff. It takes me five minutes. What used to take me two hours of proofreading now takes no time at all. And I can do other things as well. So maybe the concern is jobs lose loss. But then also to every technology always replace something. so it i really don't know what what what my what a real concern was that other than like i said the throttle what about you what do you have one to this one um well i would say like i have to agree a little bit with you at the beginning you know you mentioned kind of the political aspect and i think uh seeing some of the regulation coming out of china uh just last week where essentially they said like uh if you want to train an ai model in china and they find that more than like five percent of the data in there goes against the Chinese Communist Party's like doctrine or like their, you know, whatever their beliefs, then your your model gets banned.

9:20Or if you have anything in there that is, you know, they've been banning with their like firewall, like internet censorship program. If anything that you know, wasn't that they're banning is in your thing, then you get banned. So my concern is like, essentially, there'll be a bunch of countries, I mean, really China. So I'll just say it's China, probably. But China's gonna make Saudi Arabia in there. Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a handful, right? But I think China's got like, probably maybe the most money right now. But you're right, there's a handful of others. They're going to make these models that ideologically agree with them.

9:51They don't necessarily it's not necessarily our beliefs here in the West. And my concern is that they're going to get embedded into, they're going to get embedded into like technology tools, and software that gets shipped to us. And so inevitably, now we're going to have these like AI models, or we're going to have AI that maybe doesn't align with what we're going to do. believe in ideologically as a country or not. All right. So what are some misconceptions people have about AI that you kind of found yourself debunking frequently on your show, if at all, really? I think one of the biggest ones is a lot of people tend to think that AI is going to be dominated by Google, OpenAI, Amazon, maybe Apple someday.

10:33Like they pretty much just think like the top tech players are going to be the top tech dominating like platforms and that, you know, ChatGPT is going to be the number one text and MidJourney is going to be the number one image. I actually really see the future of AI being where there's thousands and thousands of different AI models that all are specializing in very specific things. I think AI is going to get a lot more commoditized than we see today. And so, yeah, I think that's probably one of the biggest misconceptions is like some Stanford researchers earlier this year essentially did a study where they built PubMed GPT, which was like all the publicly available medical journals.

11:10They stuck them all together, made a little GPT that could answer medical questions. And it's like, it's pretty good. But if you wanted this to be even better, you train a model specifically off of heart disease or breast cancer and have specialized models just for those things. So I think that's really where the whole industry eventually goes. And then, you know, depending on your use case, you'll go find like the perfect AI model that specifically addresses your need. And there'll probably be platforms that allow you to access all of it. That's what I'm trying to build with AI box. But yeah, I think that's one of the big misconceptions.

11:41What about yourself? Yeah, I think it's a great answer, really. I think one of the misconceptions that I think is similar to what you had is thinking, except more on the end where, well, I'll go back a little bit. But I think the thing that I hate the most is when people on Twitter, the second an update happens or X now, the second an update happens from Mid Journey or Dolly, they're like, it's the death of the other guy. And I'm like, it's not. It's a cool update. They both do their things. You know, Mid Journey is way better at artistic design. Dolly actually follows instructions is what I've seen, you know.

12:17And Adobe is right in the middle there. So each one of them has their thing that they're really, really good at. So I think there'll be more than just one. I think the big thing is you're seeing a lot of these little companies come up and they need the horsepower on the back end. And that's why they're teaming up with these big companies like Microsoft and Google. You know, you have to have a big company on the back end to be doing this. But I think one of the other misconceptions is thinking that it can do everything. You know, you still have to put some work in right now. It's not just do this for me.

12:48You know, you can ask it to make me a contract. uh you know i did it for construction it made me a construction contract between us and a general contractor and it did a good job but i had entered a couple things and there were some nuanced things that i know about our business that needs to be added so i think sometimes people go oh yeah it's going to take over everything it's already doing everything and it's like well it really isn't there is some effort to be put in still you got to make sure the prompts are good protection image you can't just say make me a mountain right you got to say like hey i want to snow cap mountains colorado-esque looking and then you know i want it in water pastel a look so i think there's that's something i see a lot of a lot of people think oh you know it's going to take back to what i said earlier too with taking jobs and it's not there's still some effort to be required but now in five ten years you know will people look back on the spot and go wow ryan had a really bad take maybe but five ten years from now right yeah no one's gonna remember this in five years um but But I'll bring it up.

13:51I'll find the clip and we'll be doing a great podcast and I'll bring it up. No, I'm just kidding. I think you're pretty spot on with that. And I don't know, something you were saying just reminded me of something. So I was just going to bring it up. And that is you're talking a little bit about the different AI generated things. I saw the coolest thing on LinkedIn that I just shared today. And that was that, and this, I guess, kind of goes into the whole image generating sphere. So it's the Photoshop one. not one that I've used a ton is the photo generating one, but essentially there was a girl and it was a video of her walking down like a field or just a big blank field in front of a school.

14:31And they used the Photoshop one, highlighted the whole area in front of her, and then just said like, create a castle here. Boom. In that spot, it creates a castle. And then it was like, create leaves on the ground in this area. And boom, it did that. And it like created mountains. And the whole thing is incredible. What's interesting to me is that they used the image aspect for a bunch of pieces but it was still a video of her walking down the hill so like if you layer that on Adobe Premiere pretty much it still looks like a video for walking down a hill and everything else just kind of looks like in the background it's so crazy these these technologies I think like you mentioned really are so different um and yeah the every update is not going to kill all the other companies doing something different like that use case I just explained on Photoshop is completely different than what I'm going to use Dolly or Mid Journey for.

15:16So I think they all have their different strengths and weaknesses. And the more tools that come into this platform, the more exciting it's going to be and the more competition and uniqueness. And we're going to be using so many different tools for so many different things. Okay, Ryan, I have to ask you because you kind of, of course, we made a joke about your predictions in five years or whatever. I would love to ask you though, are there any predictions that you would make about where AI goes in the next five years that, you know, you kind of see the industry going in a particular direction just based off of everything you've seen this year so far covered on your podcast?

15:53Yeah, I hate to give a forecast sometimes because I'm as clueless too. I'm like, what is going to happen? I think what I think about, and I think in historical terms, So it was just like how quickly you get news from Twitter, how that kind of, you know, no one reads the newspaper. I mean, the newspaper is yesterday's news. Everybody is yesterday's news, but it's, you know, Twitter, the news is the media. You know, just like the iPhone industry changed how we're doing business, you know, the Blackberry, all that stuff. I think in five years, it's going to be something that's more like, I can't believe we were even doing this.

16:29Like, it'll be, how did that even happen? in. So I, you know, if I had an idea where, where we'd go in five years of what it would be like, I'd be a billionaire. So that's not the chance right now, but I, I don't, don't forget me when you are. Yeah. What I do see happening though, is it being more into everyday life. There's a lot of people out there that don't even have not even touched chat GPT, which has been out for almost a year now. And so a lot of people have no idea about it coming down the line. I think the biggest thing, and I've said this on the podcast before, is Copilot. And the reason I say that is because it's ingrained in Word and Excel and everyone in business uses it basically, unless you're using Sheets in Google, which means you're already kind of using the AI in there because they've already got some stuff out there.

17:18Same thing. Yeah. I think the technology that will change something is something that will integrate into everyday life. Because as you and I know, you go to mid-jury, you got to open up a new tab. You go to Adobe, you got to open up a new tab. You go to any one of these, you know, trip notes, you have to open up a whole new tab to use it. What technology is going to be just right there, right in front of you on your phone that you're using every day? And I think that's what excites me about the iPhone, not the iPhone, I'm sorry, the Google phone, how the AI is already built into the camera, the picture taking with the generator to fill, the changes of faces that type of stuff is what will get people more into ai as well as just going i had no idea was even using it um but that's what i'm seeing is what can integrate into everyday life um but other than that i really don't know what's going to happen in five years i'm boof i i wish i knew i know it's a decade of ai i really do think that but i i don't i don't have a great answer for that i do you have a better answer than me i hope you do well i mean i don't know if I have a better answer.

18:22I will just give you one thing I am excited for within the future of AI. And I know like I've this whole week, I've been on a real like generative AI video kick. So like, you know, I'm sure if people are sick of it, you can plug your ears. But this is what I think is going to be cool that will eventually happen. I was talking to Jack McCullough, the co founder of Oculus about this. And that is that generative AI video will get so good that eventually you're going to be able to like direct your own movies with it you're going to be able to pick who the actors are and maybe like it's on a platform like you know netflix still and so those actors are still going to get a royalty you get to pick like the type of movie the script you get to pick the setting you get to pick like all sorts of cool stuff and it's like instead of sitting there and maybe this is not as big of a problem for most people but for me i swear my wife and i when we're trying to pick a movie to watch, I can spend time, like just as much time looking for a movie as almost watching.

19:20And we'll watch like 10 trailers before we actually get the right one. And I'm pretty sure my wife has like a very specific set of criteria that she looks for when she wants to see a movie. So I'm pretty sure she could say, Chick Flick, these 10 actors in it, this is the storyline. I'd be like just thrilled to watch it. But no, I think it's gonna be really cool. It's gonna really make it so that the user all of a sudden becomes like the creator in a lot of ways uh anyways it's gonna be fascinating i know it's a small thing but i am excited for that aspect yeah and i want to i want to touch up with that as well too i mean that i think that that's a great point you make because think about all the people that have truly great ideas and now they could potentially do it on their own and make a quick you know short 10 minute but kind of like how youtube is right now where you see these i i watch a lot of his store i love history and i love military history particularly and there's a lot of these great youtubers that make these fantastic videos about certain battles right i've never even heard about some of these things think about that but like in the movie sense where it's hey i've got a great 10 minute 15 minute idea for a movie and it's not going to take me as long because of everything coming out that can assist me in making this movie i mean i saw a guy on twitter just the other day i reposted it was a star he did like a star wars theme and it was just the images kind of zooming in and out but it was just a minute and a half and it was so captivated and i was thinking man i i hope that someone comes up with a like a quick little series on that because that is that would be phenomenal so to me that excites me because you can get some these little guys making really cool shows that hey this thing's got millions of views this thing's really good kind of kind of how i view you know um tv shows now we're in the golden age of tv shows because they're making them all the time right and so what's going to happen from there and and like you said with the the hand selection of being like hey, I want these actors and this.

21:08That is a very, very good point. I hadn't even heard of that yet. So that is very exciting for me as well, just hearing you talk about it now. So that's the billion-dollar idea right there, okay? Yeah, so fascinating. There's so many exciting things coming down the pipe. Listen, Ryan, it has been phenomenal chatting with you and on your podcast today about everything happening in AI. For any of my listeners that I'm going to share this on my podcast with what is a good way for them to find your podcast? What's a good way for them to find your social? Tell them how they can find you to get more of your insights.

21:42Yeah. So I'm the chat GPT report, typically one word on most of the things. I'm on Twitter as well as LinkedIn, and it is a purple logo of GPT. So it's pretty easy to find. And that's the, it's with the chat GPT report. And we have a website too, because I used to have a co-host. And so you You can find me there. You can find me on Spotify as well as Apple. What about you, Jane? Tell my listeners what's going on with you. Yep. Come find me at AI Chat. It's on every streaming service covering AI news daily pretty much. I'm probably not as good at social media as Ryan, but I post a lot on the podcast if you're interested in AI news and what's happening there.

22:25Would love to have you join me for the journey. to all my listeners and to Ryan's listeners. Thanks so much for tuning in to our podcast today. This is an awesome collaboration. We hope to be able to do this more often. I'd love to keep up with you once a month or so, Ryan, and see, you know, get your perspectives and see what you're seeing. This has been fantastic for my listeners. Thanks for tuning in and make sure to rate both of us wherever you get your podcasts and have a fantastic rest of your day.