Revolutionizing Copyrights: Japan's Open-Source Move - Matthew Iversen

0:04Welcome to the chat GPT podcast. I'm your host Jaden Schaefer on the podcast with me today We are joined by Matthew Iverson, the CEO of AppRabbit, and also PromptVox, the AI prompt saving company. Today on the podcast, we are going to be talking about what is happening in AI today, some big news out of Japan, some big legal decisions they've made, a$1 trillion token model just got open sourced, the biggest yet, and the implications that's going to have. So a lot of really cool stuff. And thanks for jumping on the podcast with us today, Matt. Yeah, of course. I'm pumped. What's going on in Japan?

0:39Yeah, so I think one of the biggest pieces of news that we're seeing is that Japan, and actually, I know this is going to be controversial for a lot of people in a lot of industries. I think this was a good play. But essentially what's happening is in Japan, they made a rather surprising move where essentially they said they're not going to enforce any copyright data on anything that is used in AI training. aka AI in Japan can go and grab any content, any images, any video and make whatever they want. And there's no copyright issue there. So of course, the number one people that are complaining about this are like artists.

1:17And I mean, it's understandable, right? You like go and spend like 10 years making a portfolio of art, AI sucks it up and then can reproduce it. So those people are obviously complaining. What's your take on it? Yeah, I understand the whole artist thing. uh it's it kind of sucks for them because it's like it's like their entire belief system and like who they are is kind of rooted in in that and then ai just comes like literally twists it i see a lot of that in like discord like hey you can't use that that's my art or even as um when i was trying to get influencers to promote prompt box a lot of them would have like problems with like i'm like hey show them like a cool prompt they're like i can't i can't like do this picture or that prompt because like it doesn't belong to me and like that type of ownership just is totally foreign to me i'm like in because as an entrepreneur i see a good ad i literally screenshot it and i send it to my designer and i say copy this right or like if i see like good copy writing i like copy the email i'm like chat gpt just like write this but for me it's like copying is like and stealing is like kind of the name of the game in entrepreneurship i think a lot in science.

2:24And so in art, it's, it's like frowned upon and like disgraceful. So I get it. It's definitely like that with software too. I know, you know, having done a number of software projects, and it sounds bad to say stealing, but literally, it's like, okay, we got to design an account page. I'm like, okay, what is like Google do for their account page? What is like, I go look at like 10 other software, like, what do they do for their account page? And then like screenshot them and I make some sort of like similar thing. I'm like, you know, this looks like industry standard. But it's interesting because like a lot of slides of different software I have, like this page looks very similar to this software.

2:57This page looks very similar to that software. And I kind of like pick the best. And I think the whole industry does that, right? It's like, oh man, these guys have some good designs. It becomes trendy. And then everyone kind of rolls out something similar, even though your software might be doing something completely different. And so I think that's getting carried over into AI as well in that mentality. So the big reason I think that Japan decided to do that is because essentially they don't want to get bogged down. They want to be number one in AI and they're worried that the copyright is going to slow them down.

3:28As is, we already have, you know, we already have OpenAI who's taken the lead in America. We have Google Bard who's taken the lead in America. I think that a lot of countries, you know, they don't want to miss out on this bandwagon. And so like they're making a move that, you know, I I highly doubt the US would make this same copyright move, but they want, they're doing it so that they can be number one. And it's interesting because they called out two things in like, in specific that they said they're like worried about in this whole case. And that is anime and visual media. So they're worried like the anime industry of Japan was going to like hamper AI's, you know, progress and slow it down or whatever.

4:05So I thought that was kind of interesting. But in any case, yeah, it's out. and I think that it's going to be interesting to see if AI excels there. I guess the quality of the outputs of AI, you can just have, you just have more data that you can suck in and you know, you're not going to get sued. So I wonder if people will like move their AI companies to be located in Japan because they know they're not going to have the copyright issues that you might have in America and not the lawsuits and legislation. Oh, interesting. Yeah. There'll be like the like the bahama banks it'll be like the you know the no copyright japan it's like oh yeah he's totally got a shell company in japan yeah that runs like the ai model like like what happens like a open ai like it's like okay we're about to get litigated for a billion dollars or we just sell all of our we sell our model and all of our licenses to our japan shell company and it's totally legal over there and it runs out of there i don't know it'd be interesting to see what what happens in that space.

5:03Okay. So the other thing that is pretty interesting that just happened is the fact that the UAE's open source AI model just became royalty free. So essentially what happened is the technology innovation Institute, TII, they have this model called the Falcon 40 B and it's essentially their, their top AI model. And they just open sourced it. They put it on Hugging Faces. It's now the number one used model on Hugging Faces. It's beating things like Meta's Llama and also Stability AI's Stable LM. So like it is now the biggest one. And this is the craziest part. It was trained on 1 trillion tokens.

5:43Holy crap. Yeah. So I mean, it's interesting because even OpenAI, I think they announced the number for chat GPT, how many tokens was in there, but they still haven't come out and said how many tokens are in GPT-4. And I could be completely off, but I know it's somewhere in the billions for chat GPT. They never announced GPT-4. There's a couple of reasons why I think they might have done that. But this is the first time I've actually heard someone publicly come out and say like a trillion tokens in an AI model. So like, obviously, this thing is a very big, very aggressive. Why do you think these people would be open sourcing something like this instead of keeping it private?

6:23i don't know uh what are they called again uh falcon 40b okay and then how do they get how did they get access to all they just got access from hugging face or that's just where they're hosting it on right so they're hosting the model on hugging faces they got the data independently and trained it off of that um so some people are saying that it essentially well they're saying that it's going to let the public and private people benefit from faster project starts right Cause you have this massive, like it's open source model. And I think it's, it's interesting. I feel like a lot of these people are releasing stuff for goodwill.

6:59There's a lot of different things. I know Facebook has released a lot of models and I would speculate like, aside from just getting like the goodwill around their brand name from releasing a model like this, I feel like maybe Facebook will release like their own chips in the future to compete with NVIDIA. And then they're going to say like, Hey, if you want, like, you know, if this model that's really popular and open source if you want to run the best you got to run it on our chips they said they're going to be uh producing chips advocating them by 2025 so i wonder uh if these other players have similar strategies or i i guess what their angle is uh perhaps just making the world a better place but it is pretty insane so it should be a pretty uh pretty big advancement having this be completely open source so they just uh the falcon 40b model they just changed the name of apparently to apache 2 which is nice because the uh that name was kind of crazy which means that this model is now free for any usage including commercial use wow yeah i i wonder like you know we've heard the memo come out of um google where they said like we don't have a moat and neither does uh open ai uh on all of this stuff it's gonna be interesting i feel like on the one hand i was like, well, the moat is like all the data that you've gathered.

8:15Because right now we have people like Reddit that say, no, we're gonna start charging. We have people like Twitter that just shut off all API access to open AI to, you know, gather their data and put it in. We have people like Stack Overflow stuff they're charging. Everyone like realized their, like data is the new oil. I recently heard a VC say, and so people are shutting down or locking out their data so they can sell it. And so I was like, okay, awesome. Like chat GPT, Google Bard, that's their moat, right? But when you have someone like this, that just like kind of comes on the sidelines, like, oh, by the way, we have a trillion token model, we just trained and here it's open source.

8:49Like, I feel like that digs into that moat pretty, pretty hard. Yeah, it's, it's kind of like the, you know, like the, the new model that a lot of influencers are taking, like give everything away for free, and then like live off the traffic. It's kind of like, if you're giving it all away. That's a pretty, it's pretty hardcore. Do you know who's doing it is just like a bunch of random developers uh the technology innovation institute which i it comes out of the united arab emirates um and i'm not sure if that's from their sovereign wealth fund so like if it's like the country that created it or if that's uh just one of their institutions there but it's interesting because it's not in the states and i feel like i'm starting to see right with this news from japan uh with this move out of the uae we're starting to see like other countries that are actually creating some of this really powerful technology.

9:42And I know that this might sound crazy, but think about this for a second. Let's say you're a competitor to, I could see Google and Microsoft doing this perhaps, but like, let's say you're a competitor to one of those companies and you see like all the market share that OpenAI and Microsoft are pulling up. Like, wouldn't you imagine if you had the ability, so maybe this is Facebook's play. facebook just released their lambda uh for free it's open source maybe they see all of the like traffic headlines and uh progress and money that microsoft and google are making from bard and open ai and maybe they're releasing theirs for free almost as like a slap in the face to those guys they're not necessarily competing in that arena but they're like oh you guys are going to charge like an arm and a leg for this okay here it is open source free for everyone and it almost like Like, it's like instead of building something productive for their own company, it's almost just like tearing down their competitor.

10:37You know what I mean? It's just like, oh, that's a good revenue source. Okay, it's free. So take that off your billion dollar valuation. Yeah. I wouldn't put it past Zuck or some of these other guys to pull moves like that explicitly for that reason. Wouldn't that be crazy? And then all the people back them and they're like, this is how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be free. Right. Right, exactly. It'd be interesting to build a company that like just rips another one down and then the other company just has to like pretty much buy you. That'd be like an infinite money glitch though because you could just do it again and again.

11:12Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I mean, we've definitely seen it in software before. And then there's also the whole model where a big one, like for example, Facebook might release something completely free. It's hard. Once you do an open source, you can't get it back. It's out in the public, so it's gone. But I mean, you see things like Amazon, for example, got sued for antitrust reasons because they dropped the price of diapers to super cheap. I guess it was back in the days when diapers.com was their big competitor. Diapers.com goes out of business because they can't compete with the super cheap prices of diapers on Amazon.

11:42And then Amazon just puts it back to normal prices because they can afford it. So anti-competitive practices like that, it'd be interesting to see if that's happening in the software. But with open source, it's kind of hard to make that claim because they really did give it away for free. It's like, it'd be the equivalent of, you know, giving away an unlimited free diaper subscription. Like you just, they just get it. It's just free. So aside from hosting or whatever. Yeah. It's kind of interesting. That is crazy. Okay. So something else that recently came out, and this is something I personally have been skeptical about, but maybe it's just me.

12:16Instacart recently, they just released an AI, what they call AI shopping buddy. And if you know Instacart, they've been kind of like on the cutting edge, I guess, or they've had some pretty deep partnerships with OpenAI from like the very beginning. I believe they're like one of the first plugins that launched on GPT-4. And even before that, I think they actually got access to GPT-4 before anybody else on their app to help with like shopping. For you, have you ever, well, first off, are you a customer of Instacart? Have you ever used a product like that for like shopping or anything? so my wife does yeah and we order pretty much everything like we hardly go to the store at all for anything okay at this point so instacart they plug into like a bunch of different stores right yeah yeah i think it's kind of like the uber for shopping so do you use instacart or do you use something else i think we use instacart unless unless like for example if you order something from like walmart or target is that instacart or is that like their own in-house thing?

13:14That's a good question. So I know we use the Walmart Plus or whatever. We do all our shopping online mostly, unless there's like some random thing we got to get it. Like, honestly, like it saves us so much time. Like every time, every time my wife gives me a list of like, you know, 10 things to go get from the grocery store for like a party or like a dinner that we're having. The amount of time it takes me to walk around the aisles of this super Walmart from one side to the other to find like 10 items. I'm like, please just order this on the app, like shows up at your door. So I know that for Walmart, they have in-store shoppers that are Walmart associates gathering it, but I think the delivery, they still might have outsourced to Instacart or other platforms because the way that they like ask for a tip and they do things that are like that, I think that they're, they might be outsourcing the delivery.

14:00So I think it possibly is still Instacart fulfilling that while it might be Walmart inside anyways. But the thing that they've just integrated inside of uh instacart itself is a new ai search tool called ask instacart it's just chat gpt pretty much um and pretty much what it is doing is it is helping customers by providing personalized recommendations for their shopping questions um which means product recommendation um info on food prep dietary considerations that kind of stuff here's my thing and maybe GPT-4 solved this. But like when chat GPT first came out, there was like this whole thing where it was like, oh yeah, like get it to like write you a recipe for anything you want.

14:43And then it was like, oh my gosh, wouldn't that be crazy if that was integrated into Instacart, you like get a recipe and then it plugs in and then it goes buys all the stuff for you. Right. So we were testing it out and I was like, yay, give me a recipe for cookies. And like, if you made the recipes it gave you, it was like horrible. Like it was just wrong. It was just like completely wrong. And so possibly, you know, possibly GPT-4 solved this, but I'm still skeptical of like AI, specifically of food prep, when it's asking you about like product recommendations and all that kind of stuff. Maybe product recommendations are, would be better or shopping questions.

15:16So maybe just like a chat bot thing that they have in there would be better. But like when it comes to the specific recipes and that integration, which I feel like they've been trying to do with a lot of the Inscart stuff, I feel like it's really sketchy. And I've seen like blogs and stuff where people are making the food and it's like bad, but maybe got fixed in GPT-4. So I don't know. I just downloaded the Instacart plugin. It's funny. They finally, this is new. I think today, I think, or at least I just got it. The plugin store finally has a search bar. Oh my gosh. Thank goodness. Yeah. I was so sick of like scrolling through 17 pages on the chat GPT plugin store.

15:50It's like, how could you even tell someone to go use your plugin? like you couldn't even do it i'm uh i'm page 72 so just click the arrow over till you get there it's crazy so with the plug-in of that the crazy thing still about plugins too is that basically you enable the plug-in and then it doesn't like give you prompts or anything you just have to start typing right that's pretty that's pretty nuts um dude i think that instacart i think that's i think it's clever to be like hey where can i find this at this store and it'd be like, yeah, you can find it here at this store. Like, do you want to order it?

16:22And you say, yeah. And that just does it. That's cool. So Instacart actually is, and I think that this AI, this new ask Instacart AI feature plays into this, but they actually recently made some headlines because in today's economy or whatever, I guess their revenue was slipping. And so what they did is they introduced like in-app ads, like they would advertise Coca-Cola or a specific brand of bread over another one. And they made like, I think over a billion dollars in a quarter off of those ads. So they actually significantly like helped their revenue from this ad thing. I was looking at it, I feel like it might've been like 30 % revenue increase or something from this.

17:03So I believe if they're doing this AI tool, it would be interesting to see, you know, how you can like prompt inject and like get a prompt. Let's see what the prompt is. It'd be interesting if it's OpenAI's ChatGPT, if you could prompt inject, you know, like their product recommendation and see if they're adding any like, and make sure if they ask for soda, you recommend Pepsi instead of Coca Cola, or make sure you like recommend X, Y, and Z. It'd be interesting if they did that on like the prompt level. I highly doubt they would do that. That'd be pretty, well, first off, it's man, it'd be pretty manual for, you know, having to change that if you got a different sponsorship from a different product, but also pretty sketchy, people could figure it out.

17:42So it's probably on more like a software level or whatever but that'd be pretty hilarious that would be cool i just asked it to buy me some sugar sure you can purchase sugar here's your instacart shopping link and then it gives me like a little picture and then i click on it and then it takes me to instacart.com and it has a cart and it has me oh it says available at your zip code and then it says costco delivery by 11 14 so it says i could be here in half an hour okay so it does seem like instacart is plugged into like walmart and costco and all the other things for like the fulfillment aspect of it we have costco safeway natural grocers yeah a bunch of stuff and so basically all i have to do is say yes i have to log in i think but yeah put it in a cart for me so that's cool it didn't really give me an option i guess i probably could have been more specific but it's like cane sugar, like a 10 pound bag of cane sugar.

18:42So that's cool. Interesting. Would I, would I use this? Would I actually use this to shop? I don't do any of the shopping here, but like, what, like, what I like, maybe, I don't know, maybe if it, it would have to like put together an ingredient list or something though, but it would have to be one that's like legit. Like maybe you'd have to be like super healthy recipe for this, like using these ingredients, like dairy free, like put some parameters in place and maybe it could do it for you then. I think two things number one I feel like more uh more effective than having this built into instacart maybe having it built into like a specific like costco shopping or walmart shopping or like the grocery store that you're actually planning on going to because I know for me like what I put a list in and they're like okay these five ingredients are available at walmart these seven are available here these are here here here and then like I gotta like pay different things and there's like I don't know that just seems like too convoluted so I think I'd probably be more likely to go to like Walmart.

19:37I know my, my wife does this, right? She picks like, uh, seven meals that we're doing for dinner this week. And, um, she like goes and finds a recipe online for them. And then she goes on Walmart and like finds that stuff. It'd be pretty cool if she could do that same process, but just copy and paste the whole list, plug it into like a Walmart thing, where it's like, I need like this recipe list and these ingredients. And then it just, it just pulls them all up into your cart. Um, I don't even know if you need AI to do that though. It's like the interesting thing, but maybe if you are more, maybe if you're more conversational with it and uh you just said hey i would like these like seven different dinners and then maybe walmart integrates with like a recipe that's the thing it's just ai and recipes is sketchy and i think that's where people are using it i think you just have to integrate integrate with like allrecipes.com like why don't you just integrate with allrecipes.com and find the top pancake recipe for pancakes and the top like chili recipe for chili and then just pull off of that i just I'm skeptical about food and AI.

20:33Right. I know that I was listening to another podcast where the guy goes to, it's my first million and the guy goes to like this billion dollar dinner and the kind of like the cool thing about this dinner, billionaires were there. Yeah. And they'd gotten the whole recipe. They'd gotten the whole food layout, like done by AI. And so they had like given it to a chef after the fact and like he went and like built all these things. I guess the food was good, but yeah, that does sound. I mean, I'm sure if you give it to a chef and he looks at the recipe and he's like, no, that's kind of awful. I'll tweak it.

21:02I wonder how closely he followed it. Yeah. That's pretty funny. Dude, so what is your take on NVIDIA passing a$1 trillion market cap with all of their new AI software they've pulled out? They're above Tesla. These guys are cruising right now in a very small group. Everyone thought that Elon would be the guy to bring a company past a trillion, right? But they're not there yet, right? What are they? So Google, Microsoft, a lot of these guys have already passed a trillion. I guess, right, like look at inflation nowadays. So I think it might've been easier than people suspected five years ago. But so they briefly passed a trillion dollar market cap, and then they went back down there in the 900 billions right now.

21:50But I mean, it's not inconceivable to think they'll get there. Right, right. Yeah, I guess I meant the next company. Yeah. Apple's already at 2.8 trillion. Yeah, Apple is absolutely crushing it. You know, it's pretty interesting. Apple gets a lot of flack for like not being very innovative in this AI space, not having like a lot of AI tools come out like with everybody else. What's Microsoft at right now? Looking. So I'm looking at all company so apple is first microsoft's at 2.4 okay then alphabet's at 1.5 amazon's at 1.2 and then nvidia is at 0.93 so nvidia is the next on the list it's getting close yeah and it's interesting because it's not a company that five years ago if you would have asked people like what would be the next trillion dollar company i guarantee nvidia was not gonna make that list it It was just like, and this is the other interesting thing.

22:47People literally said NVIDIA was in trouble circa like six months ago because right at the end of the pandemic, people stopped buying as many gaming PCs because, you know, during the pandemic, everyone was just going crazy on tech. Everyone was cooped up, right? So like gaming stuff was going crazy. NVIDIA tech was just like selling out for gamers. So anyways, after the pandemic, that slowed down. And then also NVIDIA made a ton of money during the whole crypto boom because all the crypto miners were running on NVIDIA tech and all their GPUs and all that. So with like crypto winter and the pandemic being over, so less gaming stuff, people literally were like, and actually the CEO of NVIDIA said like, we overproduced GPUs.

23:30We're going to have to sell them at like, he might've said like lower cost or below cost. It wasn't good. Like the situation for NVIDIA wasn't looking good. and uh then all of a sudden we have ai come up and it literally saved them because in that in that first quarter this year um where they were supposed to kind of take a bit of a dump they just got lit on fire by everyone buying their gpus for ai model training yeah nvidia has always been a little bit ahead of the curve i learned about them from well a couple stuff and i a couple podcasts i also looked them up after the fact but like nvidia they've always kind of planned for like the long game and they've kind of like as soon as competition starts coming up onto them they kind of like leave the thing they were focused on they move on to like something that'll be future-proof like i know the ai stuff the fact that they're able to embrace it so easily was like due to like some hardcore strategy that they implemented yeah um yeah yeah yeah very forward thinking company i think and uh that is an interesting that is an interesting strategy So here's what I'm seeing though, is a lot of other people like see this gold rush for AI and for AI chips in general and are like, okay, sweet, we're going to build the chips.

24:44I feel like NVIDIA has a pretty solid lead. I wonder if it, how long it will last though. But the thing is like Facebook announced they're going to come up with their chips in 2025, but like they got to go build a manufacturing hub. Like that's 2025. That's in like a year and a half, right? Or maybe more, maybe two years. So like two years of like AI explosive growth, everything being built on nvidia it's gonna be hard for someone like even facebook to catch up to that um like that that's gonna be insane that's no you know you know you know what's gonna put uh nvidia in trouble uh there's there's one thing there's one glaring thing that could really sink their ship oh no like if china decides that uh it's time uh you know for the island to go down that's what is that where they're all based are they headquartered out of taiwan yeah they're like 100 taiwan so and like that's so contentious so if taiwan goes down uh pretty much it's it's like equivalent to like the u.s not having oil anymore like we can't build computers we can't build phones like we can't but like we can't do anything and uh the the thing about that is it's not very far-fetched because we just passed an act where we're not giving them certain like silicone chips and stuff so so what they're like okay sweet we'll just seize the nvidia factories and now we own the trillion dollar company and like are we gonna stop buying nvidia gpus that are the most highly contested thing at the at the pinnacle of this like ai gold rush oof that's gonna be a tough decision there's so much money involved like so much money involved the ukraine like after seeing what's going on with the ukraine it's like you know how easy it'd be for like some conspirators like in different countries to like send people over to like destroy taiwan and then blame it on china or maybe china actually does it or russia or we do it because they did something to us or like whatever like it could easily be like knocked down and uh it's been like in the news so much like china circling with boats and planes and we're like yeah that could be massive i wonder what sort of a blip that an invasion on taiwan would have on like the entire AI industry in general.

26:58That would be insane. One thing I will say that is interesting is, of course, the U.S. recently passed the Chips Act to start manufacturing chips here in the U.S. I think that's a pretty like one thing people have like credited the Biden administration is doing well. And I think what's interesting is even here in Arizona where I live, I know we're kind of like a chip place. We're not big on like software tech companies, but we have a lot of chip manufacturing. Intel's been here for like 20 years, I think. And Taiwan Semiconductor Company, TSI, wait, whatever, is building a bunch of, I think they have one headquarters and they're building another one here in Arizona.

27:37And so like a ton of people I know are working for like chip manufacturing and within, with Taiwan Semiconductors and also with Intel, more so when I lived back in Mesa. But yeah, it is a popular thing. So I do know that like we are starting to onshore some stuff here to the US. I think that's going to be pretty critical moving forward. And so I wonder if we're going to see a move like that from NVIDIA. I think they'd be foolish not to like start thinking of those options. Yeah. Isn't, I don't know Larry is doing something where he's bringing factories here. Was it for chips? I forget. I'm not sure.

28:16I think under the past administration, under the Trump administration, they were more focused on like just bringing manufacturing from China or other places to the U S. And now maybe it's more just like chip fabrications and that kind of stuff. So yeah, I'd be curious on that as well. He wants to do a semiconductors. Oh, there you go. So yeah, he sees the gold rush. Yeah. He's trying to like bring that to the U S and yeah, maybe he counts on Taiwan, not being around forever. Who knows? Yeah. It's, it's hard. I mean, I, that I feel like is, I wouldn't, I mean, China's official stance is that they own Taiwan and I don't see them backing down unless something, I don't know, drastic happened and they really needed international support, which I don't view their economy as needing anytime soon.

29:00Okay, one other interesting thing I want to bring up with you, and I'd love to get your feedback on where you see this, how you see this impacting the industry as a whole. So recently, an AI was used, an AI model was trained and used to discover a new antibiotic that kills, like a superbug that previously they had no like remedy for. So I believe like 80 % of people that caught this superbug died from it. And so there was no cure for it. It had superbugs, essentially, like there's an antibiotic and the superbug then becomes resilient to the antibiotic. So this superbug was found in hospitals. One of the things that was really detrimental about it is that it could live on a surface for a very long time.

29:43So if it's sitting there and if someone didn't disinfect the table correctly, like a week later, you touch the table, you got the superbug. and it can also live it could live with inside of you without showing symptoms um but if someone had some sort of open wound or something and you touched them now they got it and they're most likely to die so it's kind of gnarly what they ended up doing is they trained an ai where they gave it like a giant list of like chemical compounds and it's like and and its responses to like antibiotics and then also like i think some like uh some things with some super bugs and like what they were resilient to.

30:17They fed like all of this data and they trained a model. And in any case, they made a model that they felt like they could, they could adequately do this. And so they go and they feed in 68 ,000, no 6 ,800 compounds into this AI model. And they say, which of these is going to have the most likely chance of like being a good antibiotic for this super bug. And so the AI model ran through 6 ,800 and it came up with a list of about 200 that said, these are highly likely. They took those 200 to the lab, tested them, found nine of them that were, um, nine of them that were seen pretty viable, used one of the, use them on a mouse that they like injected with the super bug or whatever.