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Episode Title
The Impending Job Revolution: How AI Threatens 80% of Employment Podcast Description "AI Today" explores advancements and ethical considerations in artificial intelligence, making complex topics accessible to a broad audience.
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Episode Summary
In this episode, host Jaden Schaefer interviews Matthew Iverson, the CEO and co-founder of Promptbox, about groundbreaking advancements in AI, particularly focusing on a newly developed technology that claims to "read minds." This discussion unpacks the implications of AI's ability to analyze and interpret human thoughts, raising concerns about the future of employment, ethical considerations, and potential societal impacts.
Key Points Discussed
- Mind-Reading AI Technology:
- Researchers used fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) to study brain activity while participants listened to a lengthy descriptive audio.
- The AI was trained to correlate brain activity with specific thoughts, achieving a high accuracy in interpreting what participants were thinking (around 80-90% accuracy).
- Discussed the potential for this technology to evolve and possibly read thoughts verbatim.
- Similar Technologies and Historical Context:
- The conversation draws parallels to previous brain-computer interfaces, such as Elon Musk's Neuralink initiatives that aim to facilitate communication between human brains and computers.
- Historical advancements in the field of brain imaging and interpretation are highlighted, showcasing how rapidly this technology has progressed.
- Dystopian Potential:
- Societal implications of mind-reading technologies are examined, particularly concerning privacy and surveillance.
- Reference to the Chinese Communist Party using similar technologies for political loyalty tests, indicating potential abuses of power.
- The possibility of employers utilizing mind-reading technology to enhance productivity metrics or make employment decisions based on emotional states is also discussed.
- Future Use Cases:
- Potential applications for mind-reading technology include lie detection, therapy, and even creative processes (e.g., turning thoughts into visual media).
- Discussion on how this technology could change industries, particularly law enforcement and mental health, while also raising significant ethical and privacy concerns.
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Implications and Concerns
- Job Automation and Employment:
- The looming threat of AI advancing to replace a significant percentage of jobs (projected at 80%).
- Ethical and societal consequences of mass unemployment driven by AI advancements.
- Privacy and Surveillance:
- The danger of governments and corporations exploiting mind-reading technology for control and surveillance.
- Concerns about personal autonomy and the potential for discrimination based on interpreted thoughts and emotions.
- Technological Advancements:
- Speculation on how this technology could evolve to create telepathic communication or enhance human cognitive abilities.
- Concerns that the rapid pace of technological development may outstrip our ethical and regulatory frameworks.
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Key Takeaways
- The conversation emphasizes the dual nature of AI advancements: incredible potential for innovation alongside significant ethical dilemmas.
- The need for societal discourse on the implications of these technologies is critical as they become increasingly integrated into our lives.
- Listeners are encouraged to reflect on how emerging technologies could reshape personal and societal dynamics, specifically related to privacy, employment, and ethical boundaries.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Welcome to the ChatGPT podcast. I'm your host, Jaden Schaefer. On the podcast, we break down everything that is happening in AI today, talk about ChatGPT, OpenAI, and all the advancements that are happening in the industry at a rapid pace. Today on the show, I am talking to Matthew Iverson, an expert in the AI field. He's the CEO and co-founder of Promptbox. And today we are going to be talking about AI reading your mind. So without further ado, let's jump into it. We have Matthew Iverson for an emergency podcast episode. We're recording this because some insane AI news has dropped today, so we're going to cover it.
0:36And the big news, I'll just give you the headline on this, and then we'll ask Matt what his input and thoughts on it are. And then I actually did some research into what has been going on in this space over the last few years, because it's actually pretty insane. This isn't actually like the first thing or time that we're seeing this. And what is happening is AI is being trained to be able to read your mind. So obviously, lots of dystopian concepts are coming to mind. A lot of people are saying, oh, this is, you know, awesome, but pretty much what's happening, um, is that they took a group of people and they put them into an F MRI scanner.
1:14There's a difference between an F MRI and a normal MRI. I'll go into that in a second, but they stick them into an F MRI scanner, which is specifically for your brain. They make them listen to a 16 hour long podcast essentially, or I mean, it's just like an audio book, right? And it's, it's a descriptive podcast. Uh, and they're telling the people to, as you listen to this like story that it's telling you or whatever, visualize what is like going on. And so after they've done this, they've taken the 16 hours of fMRI brain scans, and they fed them alongside the audio or alongside the transcript of the podcast, right?
1:48So it's like time synced, what's happening in your brain versus what you're hearing. And they fed this into an AI and they had it trained. And then after that, they could bring the participants back in and have them visualize for one minute, like reading a story pretty much and visualize what's happening in that story for one minute. Then they would ask the AI, um, just based off of solely reading their brain scans, what were they listening to or what were they reading? And it could like literally give them exactly what the person was thinking. So it literally is now able to read our minds. So Matthew, what is your, uh, what's your take on this?
2:25This is so crazy. So you called me like 30 minutes ago and you're like, uh, AI can read minds and then you broke it down. And essentially, I mean, what we're talking about here is turning brainwaves into language, which is like the most sci-fi like thing you could even think of. And like you, you, you have some like funny use cases that this will be brought, but I'm, I always think of this like with super like critical thinking first, like, is this as crazy as it sounds? Cause it sounds crazy this is essentially uh people can now read your mind so uh you know training ai on brainwaves this is similar to the thing that elon musk did with the monkeys in the video game or someone did this thing where the monkey thinks like they're playing like a game of pong where you have to move the paddle and bounce the ball and the monkey thinks left and the pong goes left or the paddle goes left to bounce the ball and it's because they what when the monkey thinks left they read the brain scan and they understand what it looks like to think left but now they're actually grabbing like picture and thoughts and things like from like these complex these complex brain scans and turning it into language like that's just yeah this is so this is so wild because i feel like it's definitely something that's been creeping up on us like yeah i knew about the neural link thing and like oh yeah brain computer interfaces it's like a thing it's gonna happen but it was like like they showed a demo and yeah the monkey's like playing pong it's like really, I don't know, like basic pretty much.
3:49And all of a sudden we're really quickly coming into like, oh no, it can literally read word for word, every thought coming out of your brain. It's really interesting. So I was reading this article about this whole thing on dazed. And it was, it was kind of funny because they were talking about like, oh, you know, it's not, it's, you know, it's not perfect. And they said, you know, one of the problems with it is that, you know, when you think of, when you think like a thought, it doesn't get it word for word sometimes it just like has like a close um like a close example so this is their example they had one example where a participant listened to the words i don't have my driver's license yet and the ai based off of their brain detected it as she has not even started to learn to drive yet so it's like oh it's like it's like off it's kind of like a gotcha moment in this like article by the journalist where they're like oh like that is so insane though that is so insane But this is like, they did a whole bunch of them and they're pulling out like, oh, these are the few, I think it's like 80 % accurate or 90 % accurate.
4:49And they're like pulling out the few where it like was inaccurate. Here's another one that they're like, gotcha, it was inaccurate. A participant imagined the phrase, I got up from the air mattress and pressed my face against the glass of the bedroom window, expecting to see eyes staring back at me, but instead finding only darkness. And then this is what the AI got out of that. I just continued to walk up to the window and open the glass. I stood on my toes and peered out. I didn't see anything and looked up again. I saw nothing. It's like, and they're like, ha, see, it's like not perfect. This thing sucks.
5:21Like, I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, those are the rare cases where it's like off. And we're like, we're calling it like, I don't know. People are being like, oh, see, told you it wasn't perfect. It's like, dude, this is so insane. It's super close. So are they saying these things out? Are they saying these things out loud? Or are they just thinking them in their mind? or like are they just hearing them thinking they're just thinking that holy so are they are they reading something in their head or are they just like what they're reading something they're reading something thinking the words and it scans the brain and tells them what's the words were and like in a lot of cases it actually just goes dead on with like the words um and so anyways with all these gotcha so and this is within a okay oh i'll say with all these gotcha moments like people are like haha see it's not perfect it's like dude this is literally like gpt mind reader v1 like out of like Research Institute in Austin, Texas.
6:13Like this isn't like a final product that anyone's pushed. No company has been able to spend like 10 million or a billion dollars on this thing yet. But like it will get there. Like V1, this is like, I don't know, like chat. This is like OpenAI is like Mary or like GPT-1 that they came out with like a million years ago, right? Like give this thing like three years and it's gonna be perfect. It's gonna be able to read your mind, everything you're thinking. It's crazy. Where do you think this goes? Like where, how, as far as technology, like let's not look at the implications in society yet. How advanced do you think this technology will get?
6:49yeah you start thinking well i just started thinking like you know we'll eventually just be able to read each other's minds and you know so elon musk talks about this thing where the sum of all uh all of humans knowledge has been like put into the internet and now every single person with the help of their phone has access to all of humans knowledge within their phone. So like essentially before we were all like individual with our own set of knowledge and we had, we could only pass it by osmosis. So when we talk to one another, we can pass on information. Then the internet came and it connected all of us so we can all have this, uh, this information, but only through like device.
7:30And we're still, um, restricted via our ability to like, uh, export our knowledge and then import knowledge and like, you know, text with our hands And like, that's a slow way to communicate still. I think when you look at this technology all the way down the line, it creates what you've only read about in sci-fi where like there's like a hive mind and you can like access information instantly. And you can, you know, read people's thoughts and you can communicate telepathically. And it's funny, the way that you talk about this is like the way that I think about it, where you can extrapolate the amount of progress and understand where AI is going.
8:09There's another type of person that I talk to often where I'll explain an idea about AI or about something crazy that blows my mind. They're like, yeah, it's kind of like these articles. They're like, yeah, well, I don't know. It seems restricted. Can you even imagine the week the internet came out, imagining that you would be able to Zoom someone in China easily by pressing one button? That would be incomprehensible. so looking at this technology and being like yeah you can read people's minds but it's not perfect in the first week it was created like no i think this goes telepathic and like i think this this combines i think you can get in a room with people and everyone just puts their thoughts out there i you know i can't even i was telling you earlier like this is this is the kind of thing that you would look at in a what do we call it the singularity event like this is the kind of thing you could never predict and you can't predict you can't extrapolate on it it's too crazy i don't know what do you think oh absolutely insane i mean going to like dystopian level like imagine terminator but like all the robots they like look at you and they know everything you're thinking like oh he's about to grab a gun and shoot me he's about to jump to the left he's about to like and they just like predict and like destroy humanity so like obviously there's like the dystopian call like uh things okay i want to take you on a um on a journey back through some news articles over the last few years of how this has been progressing because this isn't something i've really paid attention to till all of a sudden boom something came out that literally can read every like thought in your brain and read your mind but this is actually something that's been like in the works for a while and there's been a bunch of different things that people have been working on.
9:53So first is going back to, and honestly, last year is when a lot of this stuff started exploding, but I still think AI wasn't quite how mainstream it is now after chat GPT. So it wasn't quite as noticeable to people, but apparently the Chinese communist party, so obviously going straight to the dystopian use cases, back in July last year, they started using mind reading AI to test loyalty of communist party members. So this is actually really interesting. I was looking into it, like it was all over like social media in China, and then they like shut it down. So like disappeared, but people have like the leaked videos and stuff.
10:29And essentially, they put them into a glass telephone booth glass box, which is really interesting, because it's it would appear to be less cumbersome than like a straight up like MR, an MRI scanner where they're sliding you under this whole thing. And you got to sit in there. and there's all this like, you know, machinery around you, like, no, it's a glass box, AKA, you walk through one of the glass box to get into the subway in London, or you walk through like a glass box at the airport security, like all sorts of places. And according to the smart political education, or according to the Institute of Artificial Intelligence in Hefi, the smart political education bar, that's what they're calling their technology uses, analyzes users brainwaves and deploys facial recognition to discern the level of acceptance for ideological and political education.
11:18So pretty much CCP, Chinese Communist Party is giving people like the education about why they're the greatest. And they're looking at like how you accept their ideology through your facial expressions and different things like that. I actually personally would believe that this is a dummied down version of what we have now. What we what just was discovered, I think is way more powerful than this. Because if they're looking at your facial expressions. It's like, it's not like just pure machine. It's honestly, this is kind of, this can be an interesting example because this is like, I don't know, but it's the difference between Elon Musk's Tesla using cameras to drive, right?
11:52They can just like see everything on the road and they drive like that versus literally using like LIDAR or something that has like a radar to know where everything is to drive. And Elon and Tesla are going the camera route. And actually a lot of other companies are going that way. So it's interesting that this is a complete, it's completely different but obviously you can't physically see inside someone's brain so it makes sense but yeah china was trying to just use facial recognition to um detect what people were thinking and saying and about their stuff and now we're going straight inside their mind with actual mri scanners which is pretty insane um it's gonna be crazy yeah so super crazy but uh they, yeah, they pretty much used that.
12:36They were able to detect how people were, you know, getting indoctrinated onto Chinese Communist Party stuff. So that was back in July last year. And then there was an article that came out in August, where someone developed a technology to translate brainwaves into photos. So they were able to scan your brain, same sort of stuff, F MRI scanner. And, you know, it's called a non-invasive brain imaging technology. and pretty much they would have you look at a picture, scan your brain, and they were able to recreate the picture of the person. And I'm looking at some examples and it's probably like 80 % the person.
13:13It's not an exact like photo of the person, but it's like pretty dang close. And the first thing that comes to mind with this particular application from last year is like, oh, for like police, right? Like someone does a crime, you see them and they got like the police sketch guy. Now it's just like, oh, we'll scan your brain, like visualize the person's face and then boom, we'll like draw it for you. So like theoretically it could be cool. And they had all these like really optimistic use cases for this where, you know, it can help to recreate experiences from your dreams or I don't know, like a bunch of like random optimistic cases for it.
13:50But at the end of the day, I feel like a lot of the stuff is moving in dystopian pace pretty quickly. So that's, I don't know, that's kind of crazy. So you went Chinese Communist Party, next month you can make pictures and then after that they were talking about picking concepts out of your brain so in October last year they developed one that could extract pretty much sentences sometimes but mostly like words so like it pretty much what it's doing now but it could only get like a concept oh you're kind of thinking about cars or you're thinking about like the park or you're thinking about the word like fire like they could do that kind of so that was like amazing you know in October last year.
14:25Then they went to literal images. So not just a picture of a person's face, they kind of had that one down. But then they went to in March of this year, image so you could see an image, and then the AI could read your brain and it could recreate the image. And I think where this is all going is you're going to go through the airport or wherever. And they're going to say, like, uh, imagine what you did this morning and they'll have like some sort of like lie detection. They'll like be able to literally create like a film from your thoughts of what was going on. Or like, did you create a bomb? I don't know.
15:05Like they'll, they'll literally be able to pull like videos out of your brain. This isn't just like words and texts now. Uh, I believe they're going to be able to pull videos out of your brain of your literal thoughts, which to me is insanity. this this is like um you know when there's blind people but they know how to like paint pictures of people that they see and they're like their inner mind's eye or yeah you know like photographic memories it seems like there's so much we don't understand because if if we're gathering all this information from someone's mind it almost it almost goes into like the foofy stuff of like oh affirming thoughts or speaking kind words like like affects these like things positively in real life it's because your mind waves can literally be understood like your thoughts can literally be understood as pictures and images and like physical things you could probably turn them into sound and music like yeah there's a lot going in the mind going on in the mind that we don't understand obviously right off the bat i think of like dystopian like governments are going to try to read our brains to see how you know we align with them politically or or like you know all the there's like all sorts of terrible dystopian things china's already doing it right But you're right there.
16:17I feel like this is going to be there's got to be some massive advancements in like brain science and brain studies that we're going to make out of this. Yeah, impacts of certain things on our brain. And even just the technique they used for being able to train this to read your mind, where they like have you listen and imagine a podcast and then they like can use that. Yeah, like imagine if you sit there and listen to like a meditation session, scan your brain and then like, not just like look at your brain and be like, oh, it makes you happy or releases this chemical into your body. It's just like it literally can like show, I don't know, you feed into an AI and you can get like way more results.
16:55I'm not a brain scientist, so I don't know what it's going to come. Imagine lie detector tests. Lie detector tests will be insane. um so okay really quickly because all of these uh studies that we've been talking about they're using f mri scanners um and so the difference between a normal mri and fmri just to clarify um they're really similar but their main difference is just pretty much their purpose so an mri creates a picture of your body's interior structure while an f mri records metabolic activity over time mris are used for various parts of your body including your brain but fMRIs specifically focus solely on your brain.
17:35So in case anyone was wondering, the difference is like an fMRI is exclusively just studying your brain. So I also wonder what the impacts, right? Like China was looking at like your facial expression and different things like that. It'd be interesting to do some of these same studies, but with an MRI scanner scanning your full body, like see how like your pulse quickens or like different, like there's got to be a whole bunch of different elements that your body's doing, which all that extra data could be really crazy in addition to just like these fMRI scans. So one other thing that is crazy about this whole thing is it's like, oh, man, this is far fetched.
18:11And like, you know, people using these, you know, like, the government's not gonna be able to get me under a fMRI scanner or my employer, blah, blah, whatever. So it's not that big of a deal. There's also an article I read in Gizmodo from 2018, where there's a group of researchers and they developed a brain scanner that is way smaller than a regular fMRI. So it's pretty much just like a helmet or a hat that you could wear back in 2018. So, you know, like five years ago or so. And so I don't think that this is far off given that where like all these VR headsets Facebook's gonna come in, they'd be like, oh, for health reasons, we're just gonna add like an fMRI scanner in there And like Facebook will be able to read your brain, sell that data.
18:58Like, can you imagine? You'd be able to, uh, the thing I'm really trying to imagine is how telepathy would work. Because if you can communicate with your brainwaves and thoughts, how, how, how would you be able to take that in? I'm trying to think of like, would you still have to hear things audibly? Wouldn't it be cool if, if their brainwaves could be like reflected into your brain? i don't this almost like goes into like x-men with like that guy wearing the helmet like broadcasting his thoughts to like yeah yeah yeah i mean i think all the mutants i think with telepathy because the brainwave scanning like it'd be like it'd be like tuning your brain to like a radio frequency or like having like a channel like a you know messenger chat channel open where it's like uh you know like open my thought channel with like this person and then you think your thought and if they're like live they hear you or maybe it leaves it as like a message like a chat message you could like chat with people just by thinking thoughts you'd be in the same room with someone having a conversation without yeah having to talk because you just think the words and then they respond to you uh crazy absolutely crazy they're gonna hook up like satellites with lasers and be able to like beam into the white house and read the president's thoughts.
20:13And the funny thing is that sounds so dystopian and sci-fi and crazy, but like literally it's happening. And you look at the rate that AI is making advancements. I was talking to someone recently and they're like, yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be the whole scenario where like people are going to be wearing like special hats to like deflect brain scanners and stuff. And it's like all the tinfoil hat people. It's like, yeah, everyone's going to have like actual, you know how there's like those wallets that they have like metal in them or something so that you can't like get accidentally like someone can't like steal your money from your wallet by like scanning it while you walk by yeah there's gonna be that for like your mind your brain like people you'll wear a hat to like deflect brain mind readers yeah you have to they already have like devices that you can put in your house that like emit a signal that like blocks out outside signal and like cuts out Wi-Fi and like cell service and stuff like that tech it basically like emps your own house like it puts an umbrella over it which is pretty cool it's gonna be insane yeah there's gonna be a massive boom like i see more bad cases for this than good cases right off the bat and so yeah i think the massive industries that are going to spring out of this are like mind protection like um so also imagine this you're like watching a facebook ad but you're wearing your oculus and it's like examining exactly how you respond to the ad to know how to serve you advertisements in the future.
21:39And you think like the three main players who are going to get into this, Facebook, obviously, and that's just like a no brainer. And then Google Glass, maybe they'll be able to resurrect something there and bring it to light. But also Apple apparently is going to be launching a headset. So, and Apple actually has precedent because with their iWatch, they have the ECG scan in your like Apple watch or whatever. So I do not think it's far off for them to be like introducing the Apple headset with an fMRI scanner built in to make sure that like, if you're having some sort of brain aneurysm, it's going to like track it and help you and blah, blah, blah.
22:15But they also can like, I mean, I don't know how to, you know, how nefarious Apple is on all this kind of stuff. Facebook, you definitely get that vibe from them more because they have such a big like incentive with their ad business but not far off for these people or governments to like hijack them or like or dude like think about the way that um police departments they can um give a warrant to google google maps and if you have your if you have your gps turned on on your phone and you walk past a crime scene at a certain time they can ask google maps to be like give me all the data of the people that walked past this crime this specific location at this specific time because there's like a murder there we're investigating and i've heard of people being falsely accused based off of google maps data like oh you were at the place at the time you were maybe just an unlucky bystander or something like that but uh like google gave a warrant so imagine apple or facebook having this technology and then having to give warrants to be like anyone wearing their apple headset at this location at this time or like yeah dude crazy yeah absolutely crazy i wonder like i guess i guess everything we're talking about is like uh when you're thinking about like writing code or something you think about like uh you have read access and then you have write access and i think everything we're talking about is like the ability to read the mind and i was i'm trying to think if there's any way to like write into the mind i was thinking like oh imagine like the empathy you could have for someone because instead of trying to explain what they're going through they could just like project their brain waves into your mind and you would like literally understand because you would feel the way they feel but i think i think that for me that's where like i stop and i'm like i don't i don't know if you could like project someone else's waves into someone else's mind i obviously know nothing about this really but like from the way it sounds sounds like we can read things coming off the body and like we know that we can you know you're affected by things you see and hear but as far as like energy and waves and like this kind of stuff i don't know if there's a way to like project thoughts and images into a mind via like laser or like i don't understand that type of energy that makes sense yeah yeah it's hard to it's hard to imagine all of the uh all of the ways that this is going to be used especially because there's so much of it that's just like so tied into like biology and And yeah, it's just like a whole nother realm really than just tech.
24:43You'll be like flying an airplane using your mind and you'll like get distracted and like fly it into a mountain. So actually, interesting you should say that. I want to bring up a bunch of use cases that have kind of been in the works for a while. And one of them is very similar. So it was actually back in 2018, Nissan unveiled a brain to vehicle technology that would allow vehicles to interpret signals from the driver's brain. So pretty much you'd be able to drive your car with your brain and they're like, super cool. But yeah, as you can imagine, there's problems. And like, how often is my brain completely not being used while I'm driving my vehicle?
25:15Like I'm off on a different planet, but like it's a straight road for a long time and I'm just driving. You know what I mean? So I could see some issues there. Facebook showed a possible use of brainwave technology to decode speech a while ago. Nothing too big came of that. I don't know. Obviously, there's Neuralink and Elon Musk. and then we had you know we have a lot of people with these really optimistic things like like imagine being able to like move your you're an amputee and you can move your arms based off of your brain signals or your you know your legs or whatever so like those are optimistic use cases because right now that's what that's what Elon plans with Neuralink right basically you know you have a fuse at the bottom of your spine and then one at your brain but they're not connecting so what neural link would do would essentially send a bluetooth signal from like the top of your brain to like that bottom part of the spine and give it like that low latency signal and that's kind of his idea and i guess neural link kind of answers my question like that is how you'd actually uh be able to understand thoughts and things from outside is it would transcode it for you into like a way that your brain can understand like with thoughts and feelings like maybe you'd be able to watch a movie in your mind's eye instead of like with your actual eyes and it would be way more immersive because you'd actually be feeling the things or smelling the things because everything happens inside the brain.
26:37So if you have an antenna connected to your brain, like Neuralink, I guess that's when you could consume, you know, that's when you're, that's the like reality bending stuff because reality all takes place in the mind. And so as soon as you tap into that, like anything is possible. Yeah. But like you were saying earlier, I don't know if we're at that level yet because I don't know if I don't, I haven't heard of anything i should do more research that is right like there's read but i don't know if there's any right like there's any like right ability inside your brain like people to project a video inside your brain i think still with even neural link it's still uh based off of like you're thinking things and so it's able to extrapolate but i don't know if it's able to put the thinking into you you know what i mean um so like you might still need like an oculus headset to do that but like maybe the way like maybe you're maybe you're self-directing the movie though so you're wearing an oculus headset and your eyes are writing into your brain but then the ai is reading from your brain and doing everything you tell it to do so you're like make it a james bond movie with this guy as the actor okay actually this part's boring how about he hops over to a jeep instead of his motorcycle and it's like all happening in front of you so that would be crazy okay so you're writing it with your mind yeah you're writing it with your mind and then you your intake is still through your eyes.
27:51I think your eyes are still like one of the biggest eyes, ears, smell. Yeah. All your senses are right. Capability. I don't know if we have, well, you can see things with your eyes closed, right? Like when you, when you dream or when you think of things that's like often dreams seem super real, you can visualize things in your inner minds, in your mind's eye. So it's, I mean, that would be, that would be incredible. It's possible. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That'd be crazy. And the thing is, there's no way we ever could have figured out like a, like a way to write that in code other than AI, just like you feed it data, and it just figures out how to do it, which is crazy.
28:24So I want to bring up a couple use cases as well that seems sort of dystopian. So apparently back since they do this in China, and since 2015, Australia has been doing it. So I guess Australia seems to have a lot of these, what I would call dystopian things. I'm sure people, I don't know. I'm sure people in Australia think they're great. Maybe, I don't know. Anyways, they have these things called smart caps. So if you are driving a high speed train, you wear a smart cap on your head. That is, I think these are more primitive versions, but they are looking at your brainwaves and making sure you don't fall asleep.
29:00So if you're, if you're feeling sleepy or if you fall asleep, then it makes a big, huge, loud noise that wakes you up. But you have to like wear this hat while you're driving high speed chains or trains in China and Australia has been doing it for quite a while too. So it's kind of interesting. And, uh, apparently, you know, it helps not have so many accidents, yada, yada, like you can see the benefits, but like, I don't know. I also wonder like what the, what the effects of wearing it, like, is this a, is this like a, an x-ray that's like frying your brain, like wearing one of these brain caps on your head as your brain, like slowly getting fried from like, I don't know.
29:33I don't know what the implications of this are exactly on your brain, But also that I wonder if it's dangerous. But yeah, a bunch of other people. Part of me is like, we got to go all into this. And then part of me is like, I need to escape to the countryside and like start growing vegetables and like get back to nature and like live a proper human life and like meditate, you know? Like part of me is like run away. And part of me is like, no, we need to like explore this. You know, this is how we're going to communicate with people on Mars. You know, I mean, I have both reactions at the same. Yeah, I'm honestly for this, I'm mostly terrified.
30:12But like, the thing is, this is the hard thing. Like, a lot of times, I feel like you just don't like have a choice. Like, this is the way that the technology is going. And so it's, it's like, when I say you don't have a choice, it's like, it's like, it feels like resistance is futile, you know, like, I don't want like a mind reading, like, because so apparently in China, this is actually a thing where they like, um, they're like, like measuring your brainwaves more often than I thought. Apparently, um, they did like a bunch of studies where to see when you're the most tired. And then they use that for like different things at work.
30:51Um, in China, they have a government backed surveillance project to monitor employee emotions, um, that are under intensive development. So if they're like in something that they would define as like a critical area, then they have like, I'm not exactly sure if they have to wear like a helmet or what, because yeah, they've made helmets for this kind of stuff. But pretty much they say a highly, so this is a psychologist from China speaking at Ningbo University. The scientist's name is Jinjia. And they explained a highly emotional employee in a key post could affect an entire production line, jeopardizing his or her own safety as well as that of others.
31:30When the system issues a warning, the manager asks the worker to take the day off or move to a less critical post. Some jobs require high concentration. There is no room for mistakes. Dude, to me, that sounds so dystopian. They're like, you are too emotional today. Go get a different post or take the day off. Can you imagine your boss just being like, your brainwaves are too emotional, too aggressive, too sad, too slow, too happy to whatever we don't like. So take the day off. You're not a fit for our job today. Like, geez, dude, that is dystopian. Dude, they should do this for the army. So we only get like, you know, top G alphas into the military.
32:11Sorry, you're too much of a beta male. Yeah, well, like the thing is, you're too emotional. This is a government backed program in China and like they didn't say exactly what um exactly what they were like job functions they were talking about this I'm assuming like intelligence things but like yeah obviously uh this is this is going into this is going to go into the military yeah without a doubt like oh dude this is too much empathy this is going to be uh destroy this entire innocent colony for you know whatever whatever blah blah China's like okay kick him out pull in this other ruthless guy or whoever right crazy yeah like dude i think ender's game had the same type of uh i think they that's how they found the kids right didn't they put them through like these type of iq personality tests like in that one where they're trying to find like yeah you're right it was crazy they they had them do all sorts of like mental tests and different things like that and that was how they were dictating yeah who should lead the military and stuff yeah that is that's crazy dude it's kind of like the same as uh was it the same author who wrote the hunger games what's the one where like you choose a faction and uh i forget what the book is but like oh divergent right it's like uh they they kind of understand your personality based on like what you would do in a scenario so they put you through i think it's in the mind or maybe it's in real life they put you through a scenario and then the way you react to it shows like you're you're better suited for like this type of job dude facebook is definitely going to come out and you know how they have those stupid like what kind of toaster am i what kind of dog am i what like you know if i was a piece of paper like what kind of paper would i be or you know like the stupid facebook quizzes oh that's definitely have something where it's like you know how like what what is your mind composition and it'll be like i am a you know i don't even know i'm a i'm suited for the military like my perfect career is a pilot uh you know oh i i'm like a super alpha you know i'm uh yeah career wise you know i don't know i guess interesting i also predict that there's going to be a whole bunch of like scam spam kind of people that are like take this quiz to find out like what house of harry potter you're in and it's like asking you a whole bunch of like questions and scanning your brain and then it's like selling them to like nefarious actors but it's like you're like in Gryffindor like congratulations and then all your brain data has like now been stolen and cloned and whatever what's the same as like TikTok and filters right it's like now they have now they have face ID of like every person on the planet yep yep yep um well it's also interesting because with social media right now and everything else there's algorithms that are like detecting what we like and what we don't like but now this is a very literal way straight into our brain.
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35:03Like the algorithms that Facebook could build for like, let's say, you know, Instagram reels or whatever, based off of what you literally like think when you see different videos and things could be absolutely insane. So this is something that's really interesting though. There was a lady speaking, Stefan Chen, and they were saying, I think they were talking about all of the stuff going down in China. Oh yeah, it's the same person that was talking about, like, if you're too emotional, they'll pull you off the job or whatever. And they said that it's hard to know how to evaluate everything. At any rate, we are told that the workers at first resist and then accept the devices and now wear them all day at work.
35:49So I don't know, to me, that's just like, you think about like, with COVID and like, everyone wearing masks. And I'm sure this is controversial. So people will be upset about that, but like, uh, I didn't love wearing a mask all the time. Um, I'm sure lots of people didn't, but you know, maybe they did it to keep people safe or whatever. Anyways. Um, at first a lot of people resisted, but then they just like, eventually were like, Oh, fine. I'll wear a mask. And then people wore a mask all the time. And I talked to people that said, I'm going to wear a mask forever, even when it's not required.
36:16And they're not actually, but they said they would. Anyways. Um, I think it's going to be the same thing with like these places, like your work or your job or whatever tells you, you have to wear the helmet, like all the time. And there's going people that resist. And then eventually, it's just like, oh, well, it's my job, I like have to. And it's very interesting to see the like, if whether you agree with it, or you don't agree with it. I think it's like, when I say it, I mean, whether you agree with the way vaccines were hand were handled in the whole world, masking was handled in the whole world, the way that people were incentivized to get vaccinated or to wear masks, whether you agree with that or not, I think it's very important for us to have some self-reflection and look at the parallels between that and what could possibly happen in the future with some of this mind reading technology and stuff.
37:08Will we be fired from our job if we don't wear like a mind reading helmet? Because, you know, our job is super critical. Will we be, you know, removed from, will we have like certain, you know, a credit score? Will that go down if we don't like wear the helmet or do certain things? Self-reflection time, we should definitely be looking at the parallels between that and the mind reading of the future. And if we want that same thing that happened in the past, it already happened. Do we want to repeat that? Or do we want to learn from that? Do we want to change that or not? It's gonna be really interesting, man.
37:42It's gonna be crazy. Yeah, no, this has been good. Let's follow it closely. Because, you know, stuff's just gonna to be like flying off the shelves with AI. Thank you so much for listening to the ChatGPT podcast with us today. If you're interested in all things AI, make sure to subscribe to our newsletter. It goes out every week and it is linked in the description. And also make sure that you join our AI community. There is a group link below for our Facebook group. There's tons of people in there and always I'm learning new things from people dropping all the projects they're working on all of their discoveries.
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