How to Save America: Mark Cuban and Tucker Carlson Debate | All-In Summit 2025

26:59I don't think it's actually about housing. It's about autonomy. Actually, both sides want to subvert it. The left is always talking about housing. The unhoused is if the core problem with homelessness is we don't have enough, like, you know, section 8, high density buildings or something. It's nothing to do with that. And the right talks about it like even to address the question is to sort of buy into the Omdani program. You're a socialist or something. And no, I think the material condition of your people is like a really big deal and you should focus on it. It doesn't make you a socialist at all.

27:31I am not a socialist, obviously. And then they go too far. Like I don't think building condos in Yellowstone either is the answer. We have way too many people in the country. So like the big, like the top line numbers really matter. How many people live here? Well, we don't actually know the answer. Trump told me directly, he thought it was 50 million. He's the president of the United States. He says, no, how many people whose identities we don't really know live here, which is a little weird at a time of facial recognition. I have to have my nose scanned to get on an airplane, but we don't know who's here.

27:59I call bullshit. But whatever, we don't know. But we do know that, and you know from traveling, that how many people a country has determines the nature of the country, almost more than anything. Right? I mean, this is kind of why I like the places you go on vacation are not densely populated. So we need to articulate just like the obvious supply and demand principles out loud. Go we have more fundamental issues than that though. There's no more fundamental issues than who lives in your country, dude. There is, right? Because if you want the cost of prescription drugs, but if you want the birth rate to go up, I may have an answer to that, Mark.

28:35Thank you. What was the name of the place? CostplusDrucks .com. Smart man. For your drug needs, I'm Cal Worthington. But if you can't afford to live here, you can't afford kids, right? If you can't afford health care. Mark, let me pass you a question. What's your take on whether we should be sending money to Ukraine or not? Were you in favor of that? Man, they need it. I mean, honestly, I don't have a good answer. I can make an argument both ways and have my family's Ukrainian for my grandparents. And so, you know, personally, I think we should help, but I don't have a study to answer for you.

29:13Have you used so much money if you sent to Ukraine? None. Oh, so what do you mean by we? You're the one whose family is from Ukraine. Like, why don't you send them a billion dollars? Because I'm trying to fix healthcare. Why don't you fix their healthcare if you're like, so deep, if you think we need to help, why don't you start? How about you first? I noticed that's never like even an option for anybody. It's like, we need to help. That's not what charity is. forcing other people to help is not charity. Here's the good news. The good news is all the weapons were on loan lease. We're getting it back.

29:43And our dear president, Trump, has negotiated that we own half the minerals. So he turned this horrible tragic of a war into a profit center, which is one of his unique gifts. I think we can all agree. Can I just follow up on the, like, the another alternative root cause, and I've hopped on this a lot, federal spending, ultimately, If the federal deficit remains as it is, 6 .5 % of GDP were printing money. The Federal Reserve has to buy all the treasuries to fund the government that money printing and all of those inefficient programs for lending, for housing, lending for student loans, spending on stuff that has no ROI, etc., etc., ultimately leads to inflation and leads to everything becoming unaffordable.

30:24Is it not an option and how much do you both care about or think about reigning in the federal spending and having those kind of pointed conversations about the importance of this. Good, Tucker. I mean, I think about it a lot. I think about the devaluation of the dollar. I think about, it's just not worth this much. And I know that in my own, I'm not an investor. I don't invest in anything, but in the things that I buy with an eye to retaining value, they're physical things. There's don't believe in any of this. Yeah. At all. And so I caught myself the other day. And I'm at such a low level compared to everyone else here.

30:58I'm not especially rich, but I had a little bit of extra money. And I'm like, it really was like the Vimar impulse, like, shit, I gotta buy something soon. Oh, before I lose it. Before the dollar's worth less. Yeah, I mean, everyone I know, and I live in a very rural area, and most of my friends are crazy, but people I know are thinking in terms of land, gold, ammo. Like, I don't think that water, I don't think that's, no, I mean, are you really laughing? Are you tittering nervously? Because you know that's not insane. So I own shit ton of bitcoin. First and foremost, right? It kind of a hedge.

31:36I'm going to have probably five years now. But we do need to cut costs. And I'm hoping AI is a path there. Government as a service, AI as a service, reducing the number of people it takes to get things done. understanding that laws that were written in the six, and this is kind of the abundance thing, right? Laws that were written in the sixties that are still in place don't apply now, it's kind of like the government version of the innovator's dilemma. We have to modify things that are in place already so we can start to optimize. And I think we haven't done that in a long, long time. And I don't think it's, we're in the process of changing that right now.

32:13But may I ask, I'm not against anything you said. I mean, I'm for tech for credit solutions to moral problems too, but, I wonder what, just kidding, I'm wondering what the aim is. It seems like with any project, like you begin by articulating your goal, which is like one thing America is super bad at. So if you want to get to the moon, say so. And then if you don't get there, just fake it or whatever like we did. But it begins with, again, kidding. But it begins with saying what the goal is. Like what kind of society you want. No, but you never, I'm not attacking you at all. I do think you should money to crane, but I think it's we're all at fault.

32:53It's all like, well, how can we do this more efficiently? Well, do what? Like in the end, I want to live in a society where people live in single family homes, little lawns that they own that are not going to be taken away from them like actual property, right? It's not theoretical property. It's like my house, okay? I want married people and I want them to have children and grandchildren with the rough assurance, the future of course being fundamentally unknown, but rough assurance that like it'll kind of be the same. Radical change all the time drives people insane. Yeah, but it's not radical change to do.

33:25It's not radical change, dude. I grow in this city. I don't recognize it. I'm only 56. That's radical change. Wait, you told my last angel, like what is this? Look, you can go in any decade, any generation. Do I have a recruit? No, there's never been. There's never been population. Okay, then I dare you then, because I know your historian, Give me another example other than the mass rape by the Mongols of population change Like what we've seen in the west over the past 50 years you can't because there isn't one in all recorded history So you can be for it or against it, but you can't say there's a question in their own questions Right that way I have to answer I just answer my own questions.

34:05Yeah, let's say monologue posing as a polygue Let me let me bring us to AI job displacement. It's been a big debate we've been having on the pod. We all know that AI is going to replace a large number of jobs. Do we know that? Well, any self -driving car replaces four or five drivers, full -time positions. That's interesting. But there could be different jobs. Well, okay, we're going to get to that. But for our guests, do you think we're going to have a job displacement that could be acute and how should we handle that? Because we're You're seeing people make optimist robots. The idea that any human's going to be in a factory sorting things and all the factories we're making today are designed explicitly to not have humans in it.

34:50We may be talking about bringing back and ensuring factory jobs. That's not happening. All the new factories are going to be run by robots. We all know that they're lights out facilities. So, what's the best worst case scenario here in terms of Manning? Can I give you the upside? Please. And that never would notice this. But like, you know, the IBEW is fine. Like, your nutrition will still exist. We've got 1 million lawyers and a little fewer than 1 million lawyers in the United States. And a lot of them are just S -O -L. And I think it's just so great to think of unemployed people. No, I'm serious.

35:20So it's going to, I do think, to some extent, it's going to affect the worst, most entitled, most annoying classes of people, okay? So that's an upside. I don't want to see any other... So first of all, working class people. So kind of see, there's one thing. You can displace farm workers, what are they going to do about it? You can displace factory workers who will just kill themselves with drugs and fast food, which they have done. And you'll feel sort of guilty but then ignore it. If you do that to lawyers and nonprofit sector employees who I lived around in DC, you will get a revolution. And I mean that.

35:52Where did Paul Pot come from? There's never been a revolution that wasn't fermented by frustrated members of the sort It's totally true, sub -aristocrat, but the striving class, the most repulsive people there are, we'd fair to say, but also the most intent on getting what they want. And if you put them out of business, I'm not joking at all. I think we're seeing this. We're seeing this already, and one could argue that the Mamdani election surge may be the result of young people coming out of colleges that were in that exact same situation. Striving elite and they don't have none right. of debt, they'll end up making a good living and progressing in life, buying a home, and all of that turned out to not be fucking true.

36:38So I got two kids in college. And what I tell them is if you were looking for a job at a big company, you're not going to get it. Because the big companies can implement dirt what they need to do with AI in the short term. The small to middle size companies need all the help they can get from AI natives, right? because walking in and understanding AI and being able to implement for that company is a huge step forward to them. So I think that's one way to where we will adjust. Number two, right? The tools you have as someone in college, there's no better time to be in college or just graduating them right now.

37:16Because you have more resources available to you in your phone than anybody in the history of everything, right? Because if you want to be an entrepreneur, if you want to do whatever it is, you have every expert that's right there available to you. And it's not going to go as far as you think in the short term, but in the long term, it comes down to robotics. Because the electrical workers, if robotics do what robotics need to do, they're fucked. Right? Because here's the disconnect right now that I think people don't understand in AI. On one hand, we were so used to the large language models, right?

37:48But those are all text -driven. They don't know anything that's happening here that can't acquire all this video. They can't adapt. There's a huge latency in its all text and all their IP is being siloed. Right. They're going to have to pay for it so they all have their own specialties. A lawyer, large length. There'll be millions of large language models. Robotics on the other hand, it's not even so much about self -driving cars or what I use in the factories, a cost plus drugs. It's about in your house. It's about walking down the streets. It's about doing those things. So if you tell you have to get to a point we have to get to a point for it to be impactful where you can say to a robot clean the house and they'll know Not to touch Jason's socks, right and they'll know right the whole idea is robots use video And they capture and they have to be able to process that video which means understanding the laws of physics which get marks Yeah, if you let a robot with a video camera in your house, honestly yes Yes!

38:43Right? And beyond that, right? How is a confident man, aren't you? Right. The house is not going to be redesigned because right now when we design houses and we design robots, we design them to work for us. And the optimal robots aren't going to look anything like us at all. Mark, thank you. We're running out of time. We're running out of time. Tucker. Lightning round. Was Epstein a spy? I don't know. Is Putin a... We're going to stay with Tucker now. We're going to stay with Tucker for a little bit. Yeah, we're going to stay with Tucker. Oh, you do. So we just want to think about what we're talking about.

39:10Oh, wait, man. Hold on, I'm sorry. That's my answer. Let's thank Mark Cuban everybody. Mark Cuban everyone. Tucker's gonna say, Tucker's gonna say a little bit. Okay, sorry. Thank you so much. Good job, brother. Oh my god. Okay, Tucker, now you get your own segment here. All right, so I need to get these answers. Okay, CosplusDrugs .com. Yes. Was Epstein a spy? Is Putin a war criminal? And what was Saks Like in College? Go. Was Epstein a spy? No, I mean, I don't think, I mean, I don't know. I do know a lot about the story. I don't think he was a conventional. He wasn't like an asset or something.

39:44He did a ton of work on behalf of intelligences. He did work on behalf of Intel. Yes, well, no question. He was involved in a wrong contra. American, French, Israeli, probably British. I mean, but there are a lot of, I know a million people. And so do you in that category, which is most people who travel a lot. Okay, now two. A lot of people are doing. War criminal? Let me define war criminal. A war criminal is anybody who kills the innocent. And that's what terrorism is, that's what a war crime is. That's the basis of Western justice is that we punish the guilty. We punish people as individuals not as groups because we don't believe in blood guilt.

40:27We don't believe in collective punishment. And so by that standard, they're very few are innocent. I'm not being a relativist here, but I think it's really important to define the term. And just to say it again, a war crime and terrorism have the same root crime, which is punishing the innocent. Period. And if there's one thing that Western civilization exists to uphold, it's his sense of fairness and justice, and it's rooted in that. We punish the guilty. We do not punish the guilty's relatives. We don't punish people who look like the guilty from the same places the guilty. We punish the individual because we believe that all people are fundamentally equal, not in their aptitude, but in their value because they're all created by God.

41:06That is the West. The West, the West. We're fighting up, hold the Western, no, what is it then? That's what it is. And so to the extent you fall short of that, yes, you were a criminal. Period. Now most importantly, what was Saks Like in College? Take us back to the fucking attic control. You know, I'd never, it's funny. People are always like, if you mix cocaine and ayahuasca, It's really hard to stand on the roof of a moving car and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. And so you see someone do it? Absolutely. But more importantly, if you bang one of these, you don't want to hear more? Where are we at?

41:43No, we're going to get there. But I want to be on the same level as you. Are you banging 9s or 3s right now? I don't want to say on the ground. It'll make me seem impossibly cool, but 9s obviously. Here you go. You get a chilled. What do you got? What are you packing? I know you got side -packed. And I'm not allowed to make any medical claims so these two are illness. No, these are just making good God. I could just tell you these are making good God. But what do you got? Come on, trust. You've got to share with me. It's my version of CosplusDrugs .com. Oh wow. Oush, come. Nectar. Oush. You're 99's.

42:13Yes, I have one year. That puts me at 12. Let's go. I've used nicotine for 41 years. Come on, Saks, get on the level. The nickel is going to become so different from the internet. Oh, man. It's crazy what they do. You know, the health benefits are insane. I never go to the doctor. I eat a lot of pizza. I never intentionally exercise. I'm 56. I'm open this thing. And I feel great and I mean that and I mean you'll be great in a second. Okay, I need to get this back on the rails. I need to get this back on the rails. Okay back on the rails. Tucker, I would like to go around the world in the 11 minutes that we have and just get your reaction to a bunch of different things.

42:47Okay, let's start in Europe. UK and then just continental Europe. What has happened? I feel like all of those nations, the Anglesphere specifically, but Western Europe in general, is poised for massive change, and I just hope it ends peacefully. But the story in the West is population change, period. That's the story. And following from that comes culture and political change. And it's always painful. I don't think it's always bad, personally. But at the scale it's happening, it's happened way too fast, and there will either be, you action of the kind that none of us want to see or there will be full totalitarian clamp down.

43:28What was at the root of, for example, there was a post on X that said that Canada's population increased by 30 % in like the last seven years. 35 %, 35 %? Ten years. In the UK, when you know you live. Simultaneous with government -sponsored suicide, where native Canadians are encouraged to kill themselves at government expense for non -terminal illnesses up to and including economic distress. And that's sponsored by the government's called the Mades Program. It's the darkest thing that's happened since Europe in the 30s. We're instructed to ignore it. The government advertises it and conjunction with private businesses in Canada.

44:06And it's like, it's one of those things where your grandkids, assuming you have them, are gonna ask you like, what was that? and why didn't I say anything about it? I gave a speech in Canada recently and mentioned it, I started with it because it's so mesmerizingly horrifying. And people just stared at me like, I don't think we're supposed to talk about that. It's like the brainwashing is so generational and crazy that they can't even notice when people are dying at the behest of the government, the behest, by the way. And to be clear what we're talking about, assisted suicide, end of life suicide, you can go in, you can set it down.

44:37Not for the terminal yield, for like the bummed out or veterans who don't have adequate housing, will kill you for free. And they are pushing that program. And thousands of people have died, and of course they don't release most of the numbers, but they did release numbers this summer that showed it's like 100 % native Canadian. Because people who show up there from Gujarata were like, why would I kill myself? This is awesome. They have the spirit of life in them. And what is that? It's not just the government. I mean, there's something going on with Western populations that is suicidal, and they're participating in it.

45:07It's not related to fertility and birth rights. It's a fertility and birth rates, their decline reflect the change that I'm describing, which is very obvious. I spent a lot of time in Europe for a bunch of reasons, and I'm family there, and it's like I was just there, and it's like I can't even not believe this is happening. Why doesn't anybody say anything? There was a survey that was just published today. I got to pull it up, but it surveyed 12 things, ranked them in order of importance. Men that voted for Trump, number one was having children. Women that voted for Kamala, number 12, out of 12.

45:38And remember the percentage? This is women who voted for commoners, American women asked your priorities. What percentage said having children was an interest of theirs? What was it? 6%. Why? So that's suicide. That's your watching the end of something. Why? Is it a deep pessimism about society? Is it a deep depression that I can't progress in life? Where's it going? I mean, yes, yes, of course, that's what it is. But I mean, that's without precedent, really, even in the final years of the Soviet Union, There was no indication that it was that bad. And, but it is reflective of what a defeated empire does, like a defeated people's, but I personally think there's something bigger going.

46:17Why isn't happening in New Zealand? Why isn't happening in Ireland? These are not colonial power. Ireland was never a colonial power. They were colonized. South Korea. Korea, which, if you spend the time. Japan, and by the way, whether this is a Korean friend of mine said to me, in 50 years there will be only North Korea. Are these all just post -industrial? Is that what they are versus rising industrial power? I think it's not happening in Africa. It's not happening in parts of South Asia. Just the opposite. In the opposite. You feel the life force when you go to America. Vertility rates in Africa, I think are like six to seven.

46:44But the global South more broadly, that is true. And at least, yeah, I mean, there are lots of causes, but there's a spiritual route. I mean, the secular places are killing themselves. Yeah. And the religious places. It's not happening with Orthodox Jews in Baroque. Does the industrialization kill religion? The atom bomb killed religion. Hiroshima killed West because of course you're God now and every Every assumption we've made since August of 1945 80 years ago has been based on The core often -instated belief that we're in full control of nature It's also why we became so deeply technopathomistic I think yeah Well, I think there's some evidence to support that pessimism right?

47:23I this is something that the Japanese people can kind of teach us from because the last two times I was there two different people said they weren't having kids, I asked why. And they said it's immoral to bring children into a world of global climate change and that it would just be totally immoral because the temperatures are rising. And I was just like, are these people been hallucinating? Like, they don't even know if they're both the same. The steps required to have children in the first place. So like any society where people have to be encouraged to have sex is a society that has decided to extinguish itself.

47:58Because that's like the most, that's like, that honestly, that's like being Bobby Sands and starving yourself death That's like you're at war with nature. You've decided my most basic impulses must be overridden in the service of what death? And so I I've never been a super religious person. I'm certainly becoming one. That's for sure at high speed just in reaction to watching what's happening and I think it's the darkest thing that's happened in a thousand years at least We were talking about SSRIs earlier. What's your take on this medication of everybody with these anti -depressants that are out of control?

48:34Equally, immediately. SSRIs, I mean, don't get me going, but let me just say, and I should say, as a sober person who doesn't use geoderant and doesn't believe in any of that stuff, I don't take any pills ever, you don't have to be as crazy as I am to wonder like what is the, what is an SSRI do? Well, we've been taught falsely that they correct a chemical imbalance. Okay, if it's an imbalance, what's the baseline? There's no answer to that. What's the actual diagnosis of bipolar disorder unknown? There is none. So, on the basis of... That's not science at all, that's witchcraft. It's a questionnaire.

49:04But on the basis of it, they prescribe drugs which do not correct a chemical imbalance. They limit emotional range. And limiting emotional range is taking someone's soul. Emotional range is your soul. Like, that's what it is. You feel sad when someone dies. You feel joyful when something great happens. That's what it is to be alive. That's called... The human experience. So by the way, the effects of this unintended but very common effects include genital amnesia. Note that is, that's when you feel nothing between your knees and your navel. Permanently. And there are tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, because one fifth of the entire American population is on SSRIs, who feel nothing, who are permanently sexually disabled by these drugs.

49:45Now, are there people you know or I know personally who were going to kill themselves and they got on an SSRI and they didn't? That's a massive success. Thank God for that. There is no indication ever for prescribing an SSRI for five years, ten years, same with Benzos, which are also prescribed, same with amphedomines that we give to our children. The whole country is adult on drugs and it's changing the nature of people and making them into something that is less than people and it should be banned immediately. 100 % agree. I think it's crazy that it's happening. I mean, we're giving kids speed.

50:17We're giving them math. and good people are doing it. People I know that I'm related to who love there, who would die for their children, are told by doctors, air quotes doctors, who know nothing about the long -term effects because they've never been studied, to put their kids on meth. And they do because they love their children. I wanna make sure we get to a couple of other things, Tucker, just react to what happened this weekend in Charlotte on the train with the woman who was stabbed by. I think it's gotta be a turning point. I mean, I think that the number one thing you don't want, How can there be just a coordinated suppression?

50:49How does that happen? Well, this is how people wind up with really dark theories about what's happening, because why would you suppress that? If a young woman, by the way, Ukrainian, I wish I was costplusdrugs .com was here, so I could ask him, but like if you were here, I'm sorry. Costplusdrugs .com. I wish I could ask if you care about the Ukrainian people, one was just stabbed to death on a train for being white. Why doesn't anybody say it? Where's Bill Crystal on this? like we love the Ukrainians. One has got stabbed in the neck on public transportation and no one cares. Like, I don't have any answer to your question.

51:24I will say that the one thing you have to worry about in a multi -ethnic society is ethnic conflict because it's enduring. It doesn't go away. It's generational and we are moving toward that. She was stabbed because she was white and everyone knows that actually. And knowing that and not being able to say anything about it because you fear you're going to be called names doesn't make the problem go away. it makes you move to bozeman and it makes the problem worse and that's what you're seeing everyone I know who can afford it is moving to bozeman or Jackson or you know Sun Valley or whatever but they all have one thing in common Okay, let's just stop lying and I don't like that.

51:59Okay, because That suggests a future of ethnic conflict which is like ask anybody from a country that has ask a Belgian Belgium has ethnic conflict So this is inherent to the human condition, and you want to be very thoughtful in trying to avoid it, and things like that exacerbate it like to a crazy, crazy animal level that... Tucker, let me just ask, do you three parts to this, but short, do you believe that there is rising anti -Semitism in the West? And why do people say that you are contributing to it? Why has that become... Well, I think there's rising anti -Semitism on the left and right.

52:36There's definitely rising anti -semitism for sure and I hate it. You don't have to believe me. You hate it on the record, right? Of course I hate it. Yeah, because there's a lot of social media, a lot of this coordinated effort from large industry groups saying Tucker Carlson is an anti -semit. Why is that okay? Attacking my children over it, yeah, I'm aware. And I actually called it as really official who I know. I know a bunch of them, including the Prime Minister, and said, why are you doing this to me? If you think I'm your enemy, man, you're really out -slaunched and they're totally out to launch.

53:07And they, I've never seen anybody unmistmanage anything the way the government of Israel is mismanaging a response to what's happening in Gaza and the West Bank. And the way to, the way to, and it's not my country, but I'm just noticing that this is really bad for everybody. Two things. One, you have to be, well, if I stand up and say, you know, I'm an American, my family's been here for 300, you're 400 years and I love this country, but my government's done a lot of horrible things. No one's like, you hate America. If I think Israel, but Frequent Visitor in Israel. And this is not good. Shut up!

53:43That's not helpful at all. You turn your allies into enemies by acting that way. A, B, conflating a nation state with an ethnic group is not a long -term strategy. It's not wise because you were tied to the temporal politics. It's the politics of the moment. B, B's political, I don't hate B, but his political fortunes, individual political fortunes, play a role in his calculation and everything that he does. True with all politicians. You want to tie an entire group to that? I don't think that's very smart. You can say, I really like Israel. I love Israel. Family in Israel. Whatever you think about Israel.

54:18I don't think this is a good idea, or I'm offended by it or whatever. If you eliminate the distinction between a political organization, which is a synonym for government, and an ethnic group, boy, you're going to hurt that ethnic group. And that's exactly what's happened. It's so bad and it freaks me out and I will say once again that my views on Israel apply to the United States They apply to Senegal they apply to Malaysia they apply to people but not to the Jewish people Come on dude, right no right and and I'm not even I don't even fight back against it because I'm like that's so low I'm not playing your fucking game.

54:54Okay? What my view is really simple I don't think that it is allowable. It is the most immoral thing to punish the innocent. The United States government has punished the innocent a lot. They did during COVID. I yelled about it every night on Fox News. All governments do this because all leaders get carried away with hubris and they treat people like numbers or enemies or non -human beings and they kill them. I'm opposed to that. You should be, we're all opposed to that by the way. I'm opposed to when it happens in Gaza. I'm opposed to when it happens in Texas. I'm opposed, I'm just opposed. And all of a sudden we've reached this place where people are so overwrought and defensive, I keep that and said something about, you know, I don't know, I'm glad we beat Imperial Japan.

55:36I'm kind of sad that we incited all those people with the atom bomb. Ben Shapiro did a whole segment about how I was like a quizzling or something. You hate America, no, I love America. That's why I don't ever want anybody to kill people who didn't do anything wrong. That is the basis of justice. We punish the guilty, we can argue about to what degree they should punish, should it be Norway, would they get high speed internet and massages or should it be, you know what I mean, Malawi, were they rot in a cave, but why are we not allowed? We don't punish the innocent and then it includes children, all children.

56:08Tucker, why are we not allowed to say we are absolutely saddened at the tragedy that happened on October 7th and we're absolutely appalled at watching people starve and innocence being killed in Gaza and not being able to get them made. Why can't you say both things? You should not be criticized. You should be, and I've decided that I'm old enough, and I know, not nice, and I'm such a fraud, I know my heart. But you can feel the hate coming off people or whatever. I would hear Obama talk to him, and I always really like to Obama before he became a senator, but I would hear him talk and be like, wow, that's animated by hate.

56:42And it would be in this, this is your captain speaking voice, but it didn't matter. I was like my dog's like, I could feel what was in him. And I feel very confident in my views. I like people, and I just feel that way. I'm not going to play the game where I have to be like, oh, actually, my wife is part Jewish or whatever. Final question. Play, I'm not going to do that. I think we should stand on principle. Don't punish the innocent. I don't care who you are. No one has a special dispensation that allows him or his country to punish the innocent. And if you do, I'm going to call you on it. And and me just back up.

57:13It's in lieu of a final question. I just want to back up Tucker on this that the base of conservatism is not believing that any government is sacred. Thank you, David. Every government should be subject to criticism because we know that they will always abuse their authority. Power, corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. All governments must be subject to criticism. Governments shouldn't seek to make themselves immune by essentially calling people names. I've known Tucker for 30 years. He doesn't have an anti -Semitic bone in his body. It really pisses me off the way that he gets attacked for criticizing the conduct of a government.

57:50I'm not even that critical by the way. That's the hilarious thing. I'm not even that critical. Like I have been alone as a rap here. I think for what it's worth, you're an American treasure. I appreciate that you're doing this. And Saks, as we rap here, tell us about the meet cute moment when you met Tucker and you fell in love with Dr. G. Oh, the meet you love to have met cute. Give us the meet cute. You come around a cute book or what happens. You see he's got the bow ties. You guys, lock eyes, how did it happen? Yeah, what happened? There was a lunch at Union Station in Washington, DC. I'll never forget.

58:25Tell us, Satcher, early memory of Tucker. It's the camaraderie born of some common views. Yeah. And could I say one thing about David David was saying, I don't even get into it, but he was saying things that now would be considered well, of course. But at the time, we're like, pretty brave. I thought he had written a book, and I was, and we had a mutual childhood friend. And I was like super impressed because he was saying things that the people around him would be like, You don't need to say that. Where are you doing that? And he was just totally principled, completely principled. And he's don't meet that many people like that.

58:55You have a straight shot to the presidency. Are you going to take it? You talk or Carl sends you being president? You have your fans want it. They want you to run. You have the office. You have the scale. You have the intellect. Would you consider public service? Not even for a second, but if I did, I would be like, I think, John F. Kennedy was very moderate, actually. Unalmost everything. They killed him anyway. So like, I'd make it about 10 minutes. Self -preservation is a strong... I mean, dry. I get the Jack Ruby kind of cancer. Who knows where he got it? You know? Ladies and gentlemen, Tucker Carlson.

59:32Tucker Carlson. Woo! That's a two -handed one. Hey, soft. Thank you, James. You're a fresh new brother. Thank you, you dog.