Congressman: “President Trump Was Briefed On Alien Hybrids!”

27:36But those very specific incidents are things that we can really, really get into. Yeah. I think it's, I'm done kind of sending these broad letters. That's why the meeting with Aerospace Corp was such a nothing burger. So I think that if we can give them very specific details, then you can find people that—I think a lot of them actually will be surprised when they go digging and they actually find it. Can I send you a request for something? Absolutely. So with Aerospace Corp, I don't know if you're familiar with this book, American Cosmic. Have you heard of this? No. It's an amazing book. It's by a religious studies professor who actually wrote about Catholicism before she got into UFOs.

28:25She wrote a book about purgatory. And then she started to look into kind of experience, divine experiences from brothers, nuns and saints of the Catholic Church and things like St. Francis of Assisi seeing sort of the flaming torch on the mountain in Mount Laverne, Italy. and she was like, whoa, a lot of these actually look like, you know, what John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist, is looking into with modern abductions in the 90s. And she ends up going down this rabbit hole and she meets this guy who's since been outed, not in her book, but by other people. And his name is Tim Taylor. And he is at Aerospace Corporation, but he's a NASA mission controller.

29:04So he's kind of one of these sort of dual-hatted guys. And he tells her openly, I am part of a secret space program. He actually takes her and Stanford professor Gary Nolan to a crash site where they look at material. Oh, that's where Gary got that material. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly. This like frog skin material. Gary also gets material that he studies from Jacques Vallée and stuff. But yeah, so really fascinating guy. And he's claiming that he works like in kind of adjusting timelines, which sounds nuts. But if you watch Disclosure Day and maybe they're hiding truth in fiction, it's that's kind of what the movie's about.

29:41And it just seems like this fascinating guy. And I think he was in touch with certain members of the UAPTF, which is obviously responsible for a lot of modern disclosure, you know. So, yeah, it's it's it's interesting. Like, I think I'd love to know if can you get him to come out and maybe come on the show or, you know, make a statement or something. Yeah. Give me the details. zone, but we'd be happy to get our team on it. We can, we can follow up. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he seems like a fascinating guy. Um, you've had some really interesting experiences where you've, uh, and this was kind of an interesting moment in the weaponized podcast you did where Jeremy kind of pressed and was like, uh, you went to PAX river and you're like, well, that's not on record yet.

30:26Guys, I, I can't really, I have not publicly said that, that I've taken the trip to Pax River at this time. And so, okay. Can you say anything more about that? I mean, it's now pretty much out there that I did go to Pax River. That was - What is Pax River for the audience? I mean, it's short for Patuxent River. It's a, it's basically the Navy's base that they do experimentation. It's kind of their research where they test their aircraft. And so it was a short drive per se. It was at least just a drive. We didn't have to fly there from D.C. So this all came from a request that I had made from the White House.

31:15And I could tell you that story if you're interested, but that's probably one of the more. It goes back to a vote that was happening, the one big beautiful bill or the Working Families Tax Cut Act, whatever you want to call it. The day of that vote, we were kind of, you know, as a fiscal conservative, someone who really cares about the debt and the deficit, I was worried about how we might impact that with extending these tax cuts. And so I was fighting for every kind of pay for that I could cost cutting measures that I could get to in order to pay for these tax cuts. So it was a long day of negotiations.

31:53I mean, a long, long day to the point where we were negotiating until 2 a.m. Well, and to this day, Trump calls our group like the 3 a.m. caucus. Not in not exactly in a lovingly way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, look, I didn't go up there to make everybody in D.C. happy. I went up there to try to save the country. That's awesome, yeah. But in the course of that really long day, the White House staff, which I don't readily have access to, were there. And I said, in a moment of downtime, I said, hey, you know, while I got you, can I ask you some questions? And I said, we're getting nowhere in oversight.

32:36We're asked to investigate this topic of UFOs and UAPs. and we're getting really nowhere. Everywhere we go, we're getting, you know, we're hitting a dead end. We're not able to have enough authority to get any information. And he said, well, what do you want? And I said, this has nothing to do with my vote, how I will vote on this bill. I just, while you're here, I want to vent at you. And he said, well, then what would you like? And I said, well, if you're asking, I would like, I'd like a full briefing, the same White House level briefing that the president gets on this topic. I want to be able to go to all these sites that we keep hearing about.

33:13And he said, I mean, he said, which locations? And I started with Pax River, you know, Whiteman Air Force Base. I want to go to Area 51, Lake S4, all of that stuff. Have you been to all those places? No, no. And so the first location that was kind of a low-hanging fruit was Pax River. Yeah. But in general, so I made that request. the guy that I made the request to, you know, White House staffer was grinning. And at that point, you know, this, there's still a stigma. There's still, and I thought, oh, he's making fun of me. Like, and, and I said, you know, why are you grinning? I mean, I'm sorry if this is, if you think this is funny.

33:56He said, no, he said, I want to go with you. This is awesome. And so he took that request back. And a week later, a liaison from the department of defense, now the Department of War, was in my office saying that he was told from the White House to make it happen. And so, to me, that was remarkable. If you think about it, Barry Goldwater asked to go look at some of this stuff when he was senator and was turned down. Yeah, he's in fact, he specifically said he asked Curtis LeMay to see the Blue Room at Wright-Patt, and Curtis LeMay cussed him out of the room. I called Curtis LeMay and I said, General, I know we have a room at Wright-Patterson where you put all this secret stuff.

34:44Could I go in there? I've never heard him get mad, but he got madder than hell at me, cussed me out, said, don't ever ask me that question again. So, you know, we're having to work out the logistics, but that's my request is to see that. And I'm going to keep hounding at the administration and using whatever points of leverage that I can to get in that room. And did you see a UFO there, like a saucer and a hanger sort of thing? No, but if anything, what I was able to confirm is that some of the narrative that has been around what packs its role in the UFO or UIP history, I was able to actually be on site and see the facility that would have been that facility that they were going to transfer from Lockheed Martin to Bigelow Airspace.

35:33device and if and i'll tell you just being there and seeing it um if you were ever going to do a transfer it would be logistically the perfect venue to do that and did you see anything exotic where you're like what is that i don't know what that is i didn't see anything wildly exotic but i saw some really cool stuff okay our government's doing some really cool things you say anything more okay fair enough um you know pax river is really interesting because in 2018 there's a navy scientist named Salvatore Pais. I met Salvatore Pais there. That's cool. So he's amazing. Well, he these patents, these Navy patents involve inertial mass reduction, high frequency gravitational waves, and piezoelectric superconductors, room temperature superconductors.

36:23Basically all the things that you would need to make a UFO fly, the creme de la creme of exotic physics. Yes. Fascinating. Okay, so that's a part of the story when we, when I made that request, they, once they greenlit that venue, we were very specific and say, we want to see this location. And then I said, I want to, I want to talk with Salvatore Pice. And, and so I was surprised that they made that happen. We were able to have a meeting with him and most of the people there, you could tell they do not, they, they didn't have a clue what, what I was going to ask. we started we started talking about his patents going down a list of the patents asking you know have you have you guys you know have there been actually have these been put into any test form and they admitted that one of them that they did i believe is the anti-gravitic one but they weren't able to have any definitive results now salvatore pais says that that was not built to his specifications.

37:32Which means, I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I picked up that had they built it exactly the way that he had designed it, they probably would have had a more definitive result. But because it wasn't definitive, they apparently didn't move on with it. That's what they said. Apparently he got kind of messed with, too. Yeah, it also seems like they have put him in a, they've kind of put him in a different role um and um and he seems very scared to talk to anybody every time i communicate with him it's very cloak and dagger you know it's and it's uh he's often feel feels kind of a like it's like a fearful vibe yeah um and there was even a moment i interviewed him and are like it was really hard to get the interview we did in some like you know janky motel near Pax River and one of the cameras broke down and the audio sucked but I got to a certain level of the science where he freaked out and he goes Jesse stop right there like just stop asking I know you're curious but like and I was like okay and I kind of stood down let's get a little so as you hit the schwinger limit break space time what happens vis-a-vis this fifth dimension.

38:53We'll not touch on that. Leave it there, Jesse. Trust me on that. Leave it there. We nerded out about the science a little bit, and I'm just like a hobbyist on trying to understand quantum physics and that kind of stuff. But I could tell that the only person in the room that was tracking with Dr. Pais was Dr. Kozlowski, John Kozlowski, who was there. And, um, and so he was tracking, I was barely keeping up, but most of everybody else that was in that room walked out of there, uh, not understanding anything that, uh, we were talking about. Interesting. Uh, yeah, well, that's cool that you have the instincts to know that Kozlowski at least is tracking, you know, uh, the content.

39:40Um, what do you think of him? So he's the new for, for context for people, uh, the all domain anomalies resolution office is kind of the modern Project Blue Book. I'm not even saying that necessarily as with the connotation of Project Blue Book, but it's the official Pentagon investigation program. Arrow has a bad connotation or gets a bad rap because of this guy, Sean Kirkpatrick, who just completely dismissed all cases. In certain cases, he seemed like a bad actor and he seemed like he was gathering info just to destroy it or something or not do anything with it. But what do you think about John Kozlowski He's the new director.

40:18What do you think of him? Yeah, he's a breath of fresh air compared to Sean. Okay. And I don't have anything against Sean personally. I just, I was, you know, when you're a member of Congress and you're going into a skiff and they're giving a long presentation and it feels like it's taking forever to get to the actual like nuts and bolts of what they're there for. And then once they actually start presenting, it was literally a slideshow of, we looked into this and this was a debt, like, here's what it was, right? This was a balloon. This is, this is a flock of birds. This is, um, you know, a tent, uh, across the horizon.

40:57And it, and at some point you realize they're not going to show you anything that they haven't definitively like determined is not. Yeah. Does it make sense? It makes total sense. I even think it's funny to go back and look at the Condon committee reports, which, you know, ended up saying Blue Book was a waste of time, the Air Force project with J. Allen Hynek, where they were looking at UFOs. And if you look at that report, you actually look at the substance. Over 30 % of cases were totally still unidentified. Same thing with Arrow. So Kirkpatrick will come out and say, you know, we never found any evidence of extraterrestrials.

41:34Well, first of all, extraterrestrials is an analytical overlay. It's a conclusion. It doesn't mean you've found things that are really anomalous and worthy of further inquiry. So like the language is like kind of manipulated in a very specific sort of way. And then second of all, if you actually look at the data, again, I think it's over 25%, definitely over 25%, maybe over 30 % in Eero's case, I think it might be like 34 % of cases are still unidentified. I'm not sure about that percentage, but definitely when we pushed them on it and said, how many of these, how many, instead of showing us the ones that you have, you know, eliminated, why don't you show us the ones that you're still researching and that you haven't figured out yet, the mysterious ones.

42:22And that was not something that Sean was going to do. And so it wasn't until John came in that we were able to actually get that request completed. Yeah. I mean, the stuff that's truly clearly of a variety and interesting and worthy of further investigation is the kind of nuclear connection stuff. And like you have all these guys, you have a great book by Robert Hastings called UFOs and Nukes. He's a meticulous, very not fantastical, flowery research. He doesn't jump to any sort of conclusions. And you have all these guys, almost 170 of them coming out and they have, you know, they're very often cleared to things and they're on what's called the PRP program where they have to report if they're taking, you know, any sort of medication because they're around our nukes.

43:09And they're all saying that our nuclear missiles are getting shut down and tampered with and their flyovers and they're not lying. And then we have to have some sensor data along with that. And like, what, what is Kirkpatrick doing? And then you find out that Kirkpatrick, you know, worked with Oak Ridge and he won a Brookhaven National Labs award at the age of 17. And it's like, oh, you might be just compromised. Like you might be like on the payroll of like the National Labs and these nuclear programs. Like that data set is obviously an important data set to look into. And you can, I don't know, I'm about to have Michael Shermer on who's, you know, part of this UAP White House advisory panel and he's a skeptic and I'm going to debate him.

43:54And I don't think the skeptics have anything to say about that data set. I don't think Neil deGrasse Tyson could say anything about that. I mean, it's clearly interesting. It is. And I'm interested to see how this new UAP group is formed and how they're going to function. Then you have the scientific advisory group that Avi Loeb is leading. Yeah. What do you think of that whole thing? I was hoping that there would be some more advanced theoretical physicists. Yeah. I think having some people that are like studying particle physics would be helpful on that. But I'm sure that they're still fleshing it out.

44:39Hopefully they'll add some more talent to that group. I think what's really interesting is they've added some people that are like biologists or people that are studying genetics. That's fascinating. Yeah. What are you trying to say? Why is that irrelevant? I mean, if they feel the need to have people on the team that do that, that means that there may be something that they know that they're going to have to research. Yeah, I'm saying what are they trying to say by appointing those people with those sorts of specialties? And I think you had Lauren Boebert, another congressman, to ask about hybrids.

45:17Do you remember this? I don't remember when she asked about it. I'm sure she did. She asked about hybrids, and it was just a really weird moment in the congressional testimony. There are rumors that have come up to the hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipulation of human genetics with what is described as non-human genetic material, potentially for the enhancement of human capabilities, hybrids. Are any of you familiar with that? Yes or no? No, ma 'am. I am not, ma 'am. I'm not. No, ma 'am. And I think Matt Gaetz has made a couple of statements to this effect.

45:57He did. He absolutely did. He said that there was a military brass person. He didn't describe their rank or anything, but that came into his office and told him about hybrids. I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States Army, that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication. How do we parse any of this stuff? I mean, you have, you know, Tim Bershett, you know, from Tennessee as well, saying that we have five hot spots, you know, under the oceans.

46:36We have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I believe, deep area. deep water areas yeah and he's of course i want to be clear tim brachette was told this and that's what he's saying he was told this but like it seems like there are a bunch of guys running around talking to congressmen like yourselves and saying these really wild things and then the congressmen are you know they're just relaying what was said to them but you you end up with this sort of like everything is everything like what's what's going on so i try to be really cautious whenever i'm being asked about things and say, this is only, I don't necessarily believe this.

47:18I don't have any evidence of this, but this is what was told to me. Yes. You always do that. And, and it's, and you have to do that because there's some really crazy things that are said. And oftentimes when those people are in my office, I've, I will jump to, okay, where are the receipts? Like what, what evidence do you have? Do you have any, anything whatsoever? What's the craziest thing that's ever been told to you? Leave, You can leave the person totally anonymous. When we first started selling merchandise at AmericanAlchemyMerch.com, we had no idea how complicated and annoying selling merch could be.

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50:28I just have not, oftentimes they're lacking the evidence, the proof. Have you ever said, well, why don't you take me out to the field and we'll call something in or something? I did. You did do that. I did. And what happened? So one night there was a group, and I think it was like right after a hearing or something like that, there was a group that people that were all texting me. I mean, all these people that I've made contact with within the UAP community, they were all texting me, Hey, what are you doing tonight? And finally, I just said, let's meet at this restaurant. And I just sent it to all of these people.

51:05And so just put together a random group of people. And one of them was, um, Chris, uh, Bledsoe. And I'd never met him before people in the group said they explained and he explained that he was able to do that. And so I had been in a meeting with another group that Greer had brought and I'd asked the same question. So we were actually at dinner and I'd asked that question. They said, well, this is not the best place to do that here in Washington, DC. If you come out to this property, maybe we could make that happen. So the answer was no at that point. But when I asked Chris Bledsoe, the way I asked was, you say this, you know, this happens all the time.

51:49Where does it happen? And he said, what do you mean? I go like over, over the ocean, over water. Is it, does there have to be a lake involved? And he, and he said, no, pretty much anywhere. And I said, it's like in the, in the country or in a city. And he said, no, he pretty much anywhere. I said, what about here? What about right now? How about tonight after dinner? And he, and he agreed to do it so we went out on the capital lawn and and um he did his thing and i kind of just politely quietly sat and waited and and and it was getting late into the evening and eventually after a while they it didn't you know nothing happened and so i just said guys i'm going i gotta get i gotta go to bed so you know i may i don't i'm not trying to say that to to say anything negative about him.

52:38I'm just saying that, yeah, there have been moments where I've had that opportunity and I said, let's do it. Let's do it right now. Now they apparently went back to the same spot a few weeks later and did the exact same thing without me there. And then they were able to film dots in the sky that were moving. Congressman, you're ruining it. I don't know. I'm just kidding. You're hurting the signal. Right. And that was kind of the impression that they'd given me is that I was such a skeptic and a doubter that I was kind of spoiling this. If that makes sense. Yeah, it does. But I think you got to be a skeptic, you know, or at least agnostic.

53:20Have you seen a UFO in the sky? No. At any point in your life? Okay. No. I would love to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you are a hybrid and you see this video and you've got a UAP, come into my office. Come visit me. I'd be happy to meet you. What's the thing that you've heard in one of these kind of contexts of people hitting you up? They say they have information. That is the combination of kind of the most interesting and impactful, but seemingly like maybe there's some evidence for it. I would say the most remarkable thing that happened was you had this transition with, you know, and I think Tulsi did a great job setting up what was called the DIG, the Directors Initiative Group.

54:10And she had these teams that are investigating several things, one of them being UFOs, UAPs. And I think that that was probably one of the lower priorities of the group. But they were doing that research and they really didn't dedicate a lot of resources to it. They had one guy, basically. And I think he got discouraged pretty quickly. He really threw himself into it for a few years and then got discouraged. And then as he was transitioning out, they had brought me in and briefed me about what they had accomplished. and then a few months later they said sir we need to bring you back in they actually reached out to me and said we would like for you to come back in and we want to brief you um because things have changed so they brought me in and they told me about the event that happened in in the western united states uh people from tulsi's team were actually on site for this it was at one of our one of our um u.s military installations they there was people from the intelligence community their senior intelligence officials they actually personally encountered these uap whoa and they gave me that in a briefing i think i was the first elected official to get that briefing and so i and they said sir we we're pretty much approach this topic the same way that you have.

55:33Very skeptical. And, but we, but we feel like we have a job to go out and investigate this. And this, this event has completely changed everything because now we, we know that there is something there. We just don't know what it is. And you can read about it in the recent releases. It's, it's kind of buried at the end. Oh, interesting. Ironically. So, so what if we can talk about it now? Yeah. So I can talk about it now for the longest time. I couldn't talk about it. Yeah. but but it's in that release it describes from their perspective the intelligence people that were there and there's two different reports i can't say which okay so that wasn't that wasn't released i think they don't want to have another area 51 where they have people like storming sure the location but it was at the end of the day what they have released is that pretty much what the narrative that they told me that they that they were out there um they were they were there because there had been previous reports.

56:32So they were just like, they were on site. They were going around looking at any kind of debris that they saw or anything that was out in the desert. And they had landed a helicopter and they got a call that the radar had picked up several UAPs. So they jump in the helicopter, they go to the location and what they interact with are basically glowing orbs. Those orbs that had been described, you know whether they're called plasmoids whatever you want to call them they're like three meters in diameter sometimes smaller sometimes bigger and they have different shades of color that they glow in but they are some type of spherical nebulous what's described as like a ball of plasma what would what you would one would think a ball of plasma would look like i don't think anybody's ever touched one to know that it's like superheated material or anything But it definitely was messing with the helicopter when it got there.

57:30They operated intelligently. And then at one point, there were some F-16s that were scrambled. These things appeared to shoot up and chase or follow the F-16s. So when you're here, imagine you're me. You're sitting in the office of the Director of National Intelligence in a skiff. And they're briefing you with firsthand, you know, accounts from people that were there. And, uh, and, and they said, sir, this, this has brought this investigation from being priority number 500 and something to top 10 priorities for this, for this government to figure out what's going on. fascinating. Wow. Yeah. It's, um, you know, Grush just did this, you know, press conference in DC that I know you were at and he was asked about like the various types of life, you know, morphologies, the body types, that sort of thing.

58:27And he gets into this idea of sentient plasmoid life. I certainly don't have the compendium. It's a continuum from a corporeal bipedal type life to, you know what i would consider is like sentient plasmo life but there are there are several that the u.s government is aware and uh you know that does seem to be like this this sort of recurring theme that seems to me of a different variety than like a saucer and a hanger like whatever bobbles are worked on right do you have a good i think one of the things in the space that's like missing is like categories taxonomy taxonomy of yeah because it's just there's so much and there's so many disparate things likely happening do you have a sense of that sort of taxonomy do you have like a map of this stuff well certainly you hear about the different things that you often see whether it's the triangles or the the saucers right or the or the orbs i'm not i don't know that they're they they may be congruent with each other for example maybe they you see the plasma sphere before the orb or the saucer comes through it maybe it's a way of it you know breaking the normal laws of physics or what we would describe as normal right yeah maybe yeah that's really interesting it's like what sky watcher which was kind of feels like almost like a public facing version of what the legacy program was doing yeah which was like calling these things in and then causing them to kind of materialize.

1:00:02It almost feels like you're drawing this sentient plasma life form into reality. And this is, again, we're in very speculative territory here. But like, yeah, you hear things like that time and time again. It is wild. And the fact that what's described as those plasma lights, really, if you go back throughout history, people describe those. They seem to appear even in ancient texts, right? Absolutely. And that is the thing that's very definitive. So if you look at the early history in the 40s of the U.S.'s relationship to the topic, you have, you know, Roswell, of course, you have the D.C. flyover.

1:00:43In 47, when the federal government starts to take this seriously, you have Nathan Twining, who is a general who was head of air material command, you know, responsible for all aircraft development for the Air Force. he's saying these things are, you know, neither visionary nor fictitious. And so they start to formally look into it and they create a project in the Air Force called Project Twinkle. And they have this guy, Lincoln LaPaz, who's a meteor expert at the University of New Mexico. And he starts to track all these fireballs, these green fireballs, which are tracking the plumes of nuclear blasts after, you know, atomic tests.

1:01:22and they seem to be all over nuclear sites, all over the country. And there are FBI documents to this effect. There are thousands of documents between, you know, 45 and 54 when you had the U-2 spy plane. So it's like there's something going on and it's not our own recon craft. And they seem to be intelligently controlled. They do. And that's the way that these intelligence officials described it and it freaked them out. And to the point where they needed to ramp up their investigation, they've added more resources more people they've elevated it beyond ODNI it's now a White House led operation and they're pulling in all these different agencies whether it's Department of Energy, CIA this is something that they're taking very seriously and they said when I said in that meeting I said you know you guys saw it, you saw it first hand surely you have scientists that are kind of working on this And they said, no, we don't.

1:02:22And I said, okay, you've got to have somebody. You've got to have a team. I said, do you have any idea what these things are? And they assured me that they have no freaking idea what these plasmoid-type objects are. It's so crazy. There's an author named Robert Temple, and he wrote a book called The New Science of Heaven. And it's amazing. It kind of reconciles metaphysics with physics, but it's specifically plasma physics. And yeah, it's fascinating. And it talks about atomic matter, you know, what we see material in the world as the exception to the rule in the universe that really it's 99 percent this ambient plasma.

1:03:04And actually, if you think about it, we have four energy states of all matter. Right. You have, you know, solid, liquid, gas, plasma. And it's just about the energy, you know, inserted into each thing that allows you to engage in these sort of phase transitions. So why wouldn't, if we were surrounded by ambient plasma, why wouldn't you be able to draw out any of that plasma back into the material world? And you can literally, you know, go back and forth with, you know, any of your favorite AI, you know, chat GPT, and it'll say you can in certain instances. So theoretically, you can. So, yeah, it's very interesting.

1:03:46And he talks about these Kordolovsky clouds, these clouds of plasma that exist in Lagrangian points between Earth and the sun. And those might be responsible for these long delay echo transmissions in the 1920s. Is there a Lagrangian point between the moon and the Earth? There is one, right? There is. And that's the Kordolovsky clouds are actually the Lagrangian point between the moon and the earth. I misspoke. Because that's where we're racing to occupy. Whoa. No way. Yeah. No, we are. I know this. We are racing as the United States government to occupy that space and orbit. You're freaking me out because he literally just wrote this research gate paper on which follows up on the new signs of heaven, his book about how.

1:04:35So in the 20s, they're at the kind of the dawn of the radio age. They're sending out all these transmissions and they would get the same transmission back and they'd freak out. They'd be like, why are we getting the same thing we just sent out? It's called a long delay echo. It's this very weird phenomena. And if you if you actually watch Carl Sagan's contact, you know, Robert Zemeckis is amazing movie. You see that the first message we get back is Hitler. And he's speaking. And it's so it's this really unfortunate thing where you're like, why are we hearing Hitler? And it's kind of, I think, paying homage to this long delay echo thing where it's like mirroring us.

1:05:15And if you think about people's experience with a lot of these sort of plasmoid objects, it's like with Jake Barber, like he locks on to the craft and there's this sort of consciousness mirroring thing. And so Robert Temple wrote this kind of follow up paper, research paper about these Kordolovsky clouds, which might be conscious. And so that's fascinating. So we're racing to go there now. We are because of the it's it's a look that apparently it's a very strategic location and and it's super critical that we get there and we occupy that space before China does. That might be disclosure because that almost I wonder if whatever maybe maybe the maybe the orbs coming to these nuclear sites and stuff.

1:06:01Maybe they're like emissaries of this sort of, you know, Kordolovsky cloud. If you were to leave something to control or to, as an artifact or a relic or something to affect some future civilization or affect a civilization you've departed from, you would put it in a Lagrangian point. That is where you would put it. Right. Because it would, it's the place where there is really no, the orbit, the gravitational orbit of the Earth. Neutralizes itself. And the moon are both neutralized. Exactly. So you're stuck there. So that would be where you would put it maybe to, you know, if you wanted to leave some sort of remnant or something.

1:06:41It is fascinating. You know, I do know Jake Barber and I met him. I reached out to Jake through other people, through David and other people. And then eventually he agreed to meet with me. And so I took a trip down to California, met with Jake. An interesting story there is that we met at a private airport in Burbank. And it was just me waiting for Jake to arrive. And it was Jack Black. Jack. No way. Yeah. Why was Jack Black there? He was there to take a private flight up somewhere. So randomly. Randomly. And so Jake shows up and he goes, do you know Jack Black? And I go, no. And he goes, let's just say hello.

1:07:27So we went over and said hello to Jack Black. And we were just making small talk. And he said, so what do you guys, he told us what he was doing. And he said, what are you guys doing? And Jake said, well, we're just going to, we're going to fly over the Black Desert here. And Jack goes, why in the world would you do that? And he goes, well, this is a congressman. And Jack Black goes, hello, congressman. That's awesome. And then he said, we're going to fly and go look at some super secret stuff. And Jack Black's jaw drops. Did he say take me? Yeah. He had, otherwise, he might have wanted to go with us.

1:08:11It seemed like he would have wanted to go with us. But that was one of the neatest moments. To this day, if I meet a child, like somebody with kids, if we get talking, like in my Sunday school class, I teach these fifth graders at church and they don't know who I am. And that's awesome. That's why I do it because they don't really know. But if I ever want any kind of cred, street cred, I get out my selfie with Jack Black. That's awesome. That's so cool. But no, Jake was a great individual and somebody that I, is kind of like Grush. Like I truly think he genuinely had his experiences. And that's, you know, this life, these last few years have been wild to be able to say, I went out, flew with a former, you know, special forces guy, you know, over the black desert, looked at some military locations, installations.

1:09:06We flew over one of the Lockheed Martin facilities and it was wild because it's this kind of bowl-shaped thing in the ground and there's a huge hangar door. It's clearly an underground structure. And all these white vans come racing out as we're flying, circling this thing. And they all just kind of post up and are watching us as we're circling over it. That's wild. And it's not restricted because it's so kind of secret that they don't want to restrict it. Right. Restricting it would somehow identify it or something. Fascinating. Whoa. Michael Herrera, who's another UFO whistleblower. He, I believe, has an interesting story where Jake Barber, after getting into contact with him at this Greer event, takes him underground to this Edwards Air Force Base and possibly shows him some sort of UFO or craft.

1:10:03Did you experience anything like that? No, no. I wish Jake had done that, but I did not have the Michael Herrera experience. Okay, okay. Maybe next time. But Jake is one of those guys where some of this stuff on first glance seems beyond belief, but the longer time goes, his stuff keeps just getting proven out. It does. Like he comes out, you know, a year and a half ago or something. and he's like talking about psionic assets getting rounded up in sometimes some not so ethical ways. Right. And that, you know, kind of human cargo and sometimes from disaster zones around the world and they're hired by these, you know, black aerospace programs that are really, there's so much plausible deniability between these outfits and actually the contractors that they're like, they're completely invisible.

1:11:01And he was kind of implying that he, basically was one of these kind of hidden hands and um and that these psionic operators get used to call in craft and then they they land and it's it's just it's a wild you think that that's crazy right you think that that's this insane thing and then you get matt gates for example he i don't know if you know about this he was doing a twitter space and he's telling about you know one of his constituents who who came into his office saying something very similar how the hell do you get like the humans and they say, oh, no, it is natural disasters. They said, actually, sadly, the unaccompanied minor crisis and the caravans that just had like kind of unaccountable swaths of humans, which is people getting rounded up in sort of disaster zones when you don't know if they're going to go missing.

1:11:54And it's really wild. And then, you know, Jake Barber also wrote a book called Sentinels of Ether, which was so redacted by the Pentagon censored it. It's supposedly a fiction book. It's a fiction book, but it's not a fiction book. Seven pages of the 20, which are just the 10 % of the whole book, get blacked out, get censored, and are deemed classified. So he's one of these guys where I think a lot of what he's saying is pretty spot on and on the target. Yeah. I think he's definitely... look and maybe i'm just naive but whenever i'm talking to jake when i'm talking to these people i feel like they're not they're not trying to be deceptive yeah um if anything so like to me jake had all the reason in the world to not talk about the psychological impact that he had i mean in fact people told him if you want to be you know if you want to be taken credibly don't don't bring up the emotional feeling that you had right when he was when he described being in the helicopter while he's carrying what was i think he described as an egg yeah i think the emotional reaction was to the eight gone craft i believe yeah so i think he had all the reason the world to not to not go into that and yet he felt compelled that that's that he had to say that Yes.

1:13:18To me, that's an indication to somebody who really feels strongly, passionately. He's not doing it for financial gain. That's right. And look, I've met two people that claim to have interacted with the craft, him and Bob Lazar, and they both say they experience emotional and ominous feelings around them. And then the psionic operators I've met who know how to systematically call them. I met with a third one that you have not mentioned. Okay. You said the same thing. Okay. And tell me more. So he's not public and he probably will never go public, but he served in special forces, was in, he was, he was in the field and was brought into a room.

1:13:58And what he describes as a hovering black, again, it appears like three dimensional or three meters in diameter, but this thing was blacker than black sphere that was floating. and it just gave this sense of just complete evil and darkness is the way he described it he felt ill just being around it he felt like there was just something really bad about it and didn't didn't want to go anywhere near it and was this at an aerospace facility or um it was it was overseas it was overseas and you can imagine you know he's working during the time period which we were in war so you can imagine it's it's one of those locations whether it's Iraq or Afghanistan.

1:14:42Whoa. But it was in U.S. possession? Yeah. And so we had captured it there? Or that it was a tech that we have. I don't know. It was maybe actually human technology, or you think genuinely non-human? He absolutely knew that it was either derived from alien tech or that it was captured. It was a blacker than black sphere. That makes me think of the Lazar thing, where he has this sort of, you know, reactor, and it can create this almost little mini black hole or something that's blacker than black. And then rotated the emitter, I don't know if it was another direction or more of the same way, but it made a little black ball in the air where no light was escaping, looking like a little black hole.

1:15:30But no, you could just tell there was no light at the focal point right in the air. It was just a dark area. So there it's affecting light, But it wasn't in the candle test before that. So it's a really unusual. That's fascinating. And he had just a really bad feeling about it. Anything else? That individual is very cloak and dagger. Very, very difficult to get him from. It was very difficult. Really, whenever I talked with him, he was warning me that this. He was warning me about the dangers of the physical dangers of getting involved in this, in this topic. What do you make of that? And do you think it's really dangerous?

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1:20:22It's always in his timing. So I'm just going to do what I'm going to do until that happens and not worry about it. But I mean, I've had more death threats from unions whenever I was trying to pass right to work legislation than I have from people on this topic. Yeah, the topic's so out there. Sometimes it feels safer than politics, which is like the most heated sort of thing. It's like, you know, like I sometimes, you know, I think Tucker Carlson's probably in more danger than me, you know, doing what I'm. But other times I'm like, I get a little spooked and I'm like, this is, I don't know if, you know, I should be talking about this.

1:21:07But when I talk to people like David Grush and Jake Barber and some of these other guys and the individual that I mentioned, and they all kind of seem to warn about the same thing, particularly from the private sector, that there's certain private sector companies that they claim have some nefarious actors that will do kinetic activity. In other words, like a wet works type arm. That's kind of disturbing to hear. Super disturbing. Speaking of which, both Grush and Jake Barber knew Matthew Sullivan, who was found dead two weeks before he was supposed to testify before Congress. The rumors are, and I just had Jeremy.

1:21:57And I don't know that he was going to testify in a hearing as much as come to speak to some members in a skiff or maybe even in an office. That's right. Yeah. So privately give his information. Which is the precursor to coming before in a public hearing. Sure. Yeah. And I've heard that maybe he had some firsthand experience with Kraft. That's what I was told too. Okay. That he was in the legacy program, had firsthand experience with Kraft. And that when I first met Grush, he was shaken by Matthew's death and really wanted, I mean, if anything, he was trying to get my help in trying to get that exposed.

1:22:42And he had submitted that to the office, I think it was the Office of Inspector General. They said that it's warranted and credible that it should be investigated. And we took that information. We've composed a letter, sent it to the FBI through the oversight committee only to later. We had been told that it had been sent. Later, we found out that it had never been received. What? No, it had not been received by the FBI. And that was during the Biden administration. So it may be that it was lost in transition or something. But we had to resubmit that letter. So is the FBI now investigating Matthew Sullivan's death?

1:23:20I don't know if they have the, I don't know the status of that investigation, but I believe that they are. I strongly believe that they are because they've indicated that they won't talk about an active investigation, which is kind of the tell that they are actively investigating. I would hope they are. um did you ever interact with matthew yourself i did not okay yeah do you do you have a sense of kind of various configurations or geometries of crafts you know people think of the proverbial flying saucer do you think it's just that do you think you mentioned a few others you know earlier triangle i mean you lose book um describes it as though the reason why those those shapes seem to make sense is that you've got some kind of anti-gravity device like if you have a smaller thing that creates a bubble a gravity bubble then that would naturally fit at an orb or a disc right and then then if you if you have two then it would look something like a tic-tac if you have two of them right or a tube and then if you have three it's a triangle that's that's in lose book but but i have i'd have no evidence that that's the case only from what i've heard from other people.

1:24:32Lou's obviously a very interesting character. You can't say he's not responsible for a lot of modern disclosure. He helped get that New York Times article published in 2017 through Leslie Kane, and he was in charge of OSAP. Lately, thanks to people like UAP Gerb, people have been saying that he's actually maybe more implicated in legacy UFO program activities. I think Ross Coulthart said that as well. And if you even watch him in front of Congress, you know, in September of 24, he's saying, I can't confirm or deny being read into, you know, Immaculate Constellation. Mr. Elizondo, were you read into the Immaculate Constellation program?

1:25:19I would not be authorized to confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing or past program, especially as it relates to a special access program, either by name or trigraph. The implication being that maybe he was read in. You know, I interviewed him and, you know, it often feels like he's sitting on a lot more information than he can say. He'll self admit that. I think he is. And I think, yeah, to your point, I think that he he does not deny that. I feel like Lou wants to tell you everything, but he also is a patriot and he's going to abide by his nondisclosure agreement. And so he will go through Dobster, which is that process where it allows them to say things, whether they'll try to put things in the form of a book form, see what can be released, and then they know what they can talk about after that process is over.

1:26:17they're constantly putting things through dobser to see what will shake loose that they can talk about and so i feel like he is someone who who is going to be loyal to his oath to the country but he wants to get the truth out as much as he possibly can yeah and our mutual friend uap gerb is a great ufo content creator who's uh just extremely detailed on the kind of mapping the legacy program he kind of notes that um you know intelligence support activity uh gray fox which do recon in super sensitive situations in areas before JSOC does, but it's part of Joint Special Operations Command. You know, that Lou was a part of that.

1:26:57And so, yeah, interesting connections there. And then you get asked this sort of meta question, which is why in 2017 did the program say maybe it's time to out itself? Or like, you know, is it these elements of the program that are like, this isn't being run well? and right and so like we have to come out and we have to reform this get a certain amount of information a certain amount of information out there or like what yeah i think it was their attempt of trying to compartmentalize what they could release without giving away our good tech right the things that we our technology and so i think that they saw that there's there's there's enough um and and that's we have seen that ourselves like i get people from that are active military personnel that come to me as a member of Congress and have videos that they'll show me.

1:27:48They'll have information, which helps us identify what we should be asking, what we should be sending letters about. And I think that they acknowledge that if they don't start managing the release of information, what can be released and what shouldn't be, that the dam was going to break. That's just my best guess. Yeah, so they're trying to get in front of what they know is going to leak ultimately anyways and sort of manage how it comes out and ensure it's not this sort of catastrophic thing. That's my best guess. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think it's a good guess. Along the lines of, you know, we were just talking about Matthew Sullivan, you have this sort of missing scientist's narrative generally.

1:28:37Earlier we were talking about Amy Eskridge and Ning Li. Neil McCaslin is a general who is extremely high up. I believe he was on the special access program oversight committee, which Lou was as well. And so he was cleared to, you know, more things than the president probably. And was, you know, head of the AFRL at Wright-Patterson, the Air Force Research Laboratory. and he was the source for a lot of Tom DeLonge's kind of, you know, disclosures and his, you know, quote unquote fiction books, you know, secret machines. He went super mysteriously missing. What do you think about that case? To me, that's whether, we've got to close that loop.

1:29:21I mean, this is a person who's walking around with some of our nation's most important secrets. I think it's important that we identify what happened to him. Yes. Whether there's a body in the desert, they need to go find a body, find the body, or find out if he decided to go to Cabo and just disappear. I don't know, but at the end of the day, we need to find out what happened to this individual. I know he was on my list of people to talk to. I know that David Grush had sent, he had sent someone to interview General McCaslin and was not able to get a whole lot out of him. but I think McCaslin knew that we were definitely making inquiries trying to set up something to talk to him.

1:30:04Well, that's weird that, you know, it's like a week or so after Trump and Pete Hegseth are saying, we're going to officially look into this stuff. Here's a guy who's cleared to everything. He's publicly associated with Tom DeLonge and sort of some of these disclosures. And then you're looking into meeting him and then he just disappears entirely. Yeah. It's a strange fact pattern. And then he leaves his phone, right? He leaves everything. He leaves everything, but he takes a gun. Well, they don't know that he took a gun. Okay, but one gun was missing. Maybe missing. It's not confirmed. Okay. When you really read through the reports, But there's also no ring camera footage, no footage of him having a gun.

1:30:46It felt, to me, felt a little premeditated. Yeah. Well, the fact that the latest information is he went to REI and purchased a medical kit. like a travel like a backpack what you would take on a long hike like some kind of medical oh whoa so why if you're gonna go kill yourself in the desert why would you take a medical care you wouldn't yeah yeah no i think he he knew what he was getting himself into and then yeah i feel i feel awkward bringing this up but his his wife you know made this call and apparently he was not doing well um you know towards this i think he was feeling a little anxious and like, you know, not in the greatest health.

1:31:28And so she says that to 911 and this call is like now, you know, out there. But she then follows up on Twitter and she says like, you know, maybe the best explanation for this is an alien having, you know, abducted him from a mothership, although no mothership has been found in the local area. That's strange. It is. It's strange. And you're asking for speculation when you say that. That's a weird, that's not a normal statement. It's not. And I guess people grieve in different ways. And maybe, but her grieving is one of the most different ways I've ever seen someone grieve over the loss of their loved one.

1:32:07So I can't explain. But to your point, I agree. Her response has been very unusual. Definitely unusual. Speaking of unusual, you had going viral all over Twitter, this idea of this meeting of these high level intelligence people who seem to know more about the UFO issue than people, you know, than people on the civilian side. And they are meeting with these pastors and religious leaders across the country and convening them and telling them to prepare their churches. They wanted to have a meeting, an urgent meeting, where again, we go into this Airbnb, we have to turn our phones on airplane mode, there's no recording of the meeting.

1:32:51But ultimately, the purpose of it was, disclosure is coming quickly. And these people who are working in government agencies are pleading with pastors, they're pleading, please prepare your people so that they are not deceived by what is coming. And you were somehow thrown into this whole conversation. Do you want to talk about this? That's an interesting side part of this whole journey. It seems like every time you have this conversation about UFOs and UAPs, it always kind of brings up the question of spirituality or, you know, are these angels? Some people say they're all demons, that kind of thing.

1:33:33but it inevitably always comes up um i don't know how to like explain this but there's a group of people and i don't even really know what they who they really work for but they are very clandestine they are former special forces former military intelligence and are working for somebody in the private who who has given them the ability to investigate this as a side task that's my best guess because they you'll never get out of them who they really work for um they they seem to be good actors because they whenever i talked with them they they kind of bumped me is the best way to describe it in washington dc with it at a different meeting the person that bumped me uh later on that night pulled me aside and said hey my name is not really xyz and and i want to and i but i really am looking out for you and i want and i can tell you that these some of these people that we've been talking to you probably shouldn't be trusting fully trusting and i wanted to see if you want to sit down and talk and he said any he related with me a shared faith that we both are christians we both um love jesus um and uh and so and he was I could you know I could tell that he was genuine absolutely genuine in that he wasn't making that part sure so I've you know at the end of the day I'll talk to most anybody and I was open to talking with him and meeting with other people it turned out that it was a fairly organized well-funded operation of guys that are all you know of Christian faith who have a lot of concerns about some of the activity that's going on and they they wanted to kind of um you know kind of maintain a contact maintain a connection they've i would say this group has been extremely helpful to me extremely helpful how so um they brought people whether they're whistleblowers to me they brought tips they brought um you know lots of really good information um so i don't feel like they have i My personal interaction with this group is that they're actually on my side.

1:36:04They want to be extremely helpful. And they're very transparent other than that they won't talk about their funding. What do they do day to day? Are they working with UFO stuff? um i don't i i it sounds to me like they've got a they've got a contract to investigate a broader topic and that uaps are part of that what's the broader topic could be you know incursions on the united states like drone incursions things like that so and i i'm that's just my makeup i don't know exactly just from having conversations with them. They also seem to be investigating human trafficking quite a bit. So in any event, in the course of our conversations, that came up that, you know, one of these individuals is actually a chaplain, if you will.

1:37:01And he, I said, you know, you should, this topic really, the church needs to be prepared for this. And we need to have a conversation because a lot of people are going off on very wild tangents. And my view is that this absolutely actually does not reject the biblical worldview. If anything, the more that I look into it, the more it really strengthens my faith. It takes the story of the Bible, if you take this into context, right? If it is true, it can take the story, the narrative, the biblical narrative and put it on an epic scale, like a universal scale, right? Like this is a galactic story of the creator of the entire universe creating all of these planets, all these.

1:38:01And it does make sense that there'd be much more out there. There's a reason why there's all this space. there's got to be other things out there. And that if, but of all the places chooses this location and this people and this species to want to commune with that, that this God says, I want to create my image is going to be this, this being, this human is going to be my, basically my representation to this whole universe. So to me, it makes, it takes that story and it makes it puts it on a grander scale and explains potentially why if there's if there's other beings timothy alberino i think has probably done some of the best thought work on this and and and so i would highly recommend people pick up his book birthright because it seems to me it's a very logical way for a christian to approach this well anyway these these individuals were also kind of in the same vein and they decided they were going to put together a group of pastors, kind of slowly bring them into this conversation, see where they are.

1:39:08And they invited me to that event. I said, I couldn't make it, but I would be happy to be on a phone call. And so they brought me in. I said basically what I've just said to you, which is that, look, it's important that we don't have that we don't really just completely ignore this as a topic if anything if something does happen it doesn't really shake it shouldn't shake your worldview at all um and i and i kind of explained my how that didn't shake my worldview and then they said so then later on these pastors started talking about this experience and they, some of them put words in my mouth, if you will, saying that I said, what's going to happen?

1:39:54I think one of the pastors later on came out and apologized and said, Eric Burleson did not say this. I believe this. But when I was saying it, I should have separated the fact that what he actually said versus what I believe. And what he said that he believed was that that these are all demons and and i would not i have not i'm not going to jump to that kind of kind of conclusion or clearly that's not the case for you because you're looking into this stuff all the time you wouldn't be spending all your time looking into demons if you thought they were all demons right right yeah um have you heard of this group called the collins elite by any chance i have yeah that's an interesting part of this this whole narrative.

1:40:40Yeah, because, you know, like people like Lou Elizondo and a lot of the crowd behind, you know, To the Stars Academy and like a lot of the people around modern disclosure describe the Collins elite as this sort of very embedded in the government faction of deeply fundamentalist Christians who don't want to study this stuff scientifically at all because they view it as demonic and they'll literally cite Bible passages around Lucifer being kind of the ruler of the skies. Do you think that this group that's in touch with you, is it all connected with the Collins elite? I don't, I don't believe so.

1:41:21I, I mean, I, but I don't know for sure. They could be, I think in general, and this is actually the opposite of what, what I was trying to get to, which is that, excuse me, I would disagree with somebody who is of the Collins elite view. I disagree with a religious leader who definitively says we shouldn't be approaching this or talking about this topic because it is all demonic. I don't have the evidence that that's the case. If anything, as a Christian, what would you say to Mary when she was approached by the angel Gabriel. Don't talk to anything that isn't from this earth because it's all demonic.

1:42:05Right. Right. And so that's like the first thought that I have is that when you read the Bible, most of the times in which an angel or something that's not of earth comes forward. I mean, this is all assuming that that's what you believe. If we assume that what we're experiencing are beings that are described spiritually as either angels or demons or etc. Part of that kind of category. Then go back historically. Most of the time that people are getting a message or having a conversation, it's not from a fallen angel. It's from a messenger from God. Like the word angel literally means messenger from God.

1:42:48It doesn't categorically say that this is what this being is. it does describe different beings like cherubim seraphim right the watchers which are kind of interesting and they're all kind of utilized by god to be a messenger or an angel but i mean that's a long tangent but that that's to say when i apply my my biblical worldview to this topic if that were the case i wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion that they're all demons Yeah. Which is why I don't really have a lot of high view of the Collins elite perspective. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. I think to say that, you know, none of the spiritual overlays that we've, you know, had for years, like, you know, a lot of, you know, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, like none of those apply as somehow to what we're looking at now, I think is dogmatic and crazy.

1:43:49of course like they might you know a lot of these things i like the concept of lindy if they've something has survived for thousands of years it probably has value and so it probably has value as far as describing you know the nature of things some archetypal value and so to say that the bible has no archetypal value i think is sort of sort of nuts and then yeah i find myself sort of in between that and then the other side is like you know sometimes i'll hear people like Sean Ryan or Tucker Carlson, they'll be like, it's spiritual. And they'll be like, it's just, you know, it's demons or something.

1:44:22And it's like, well, what is an angel? What is a demon? Like, can we not inquire into what those things actually are? That's sort of a low-level descriptor that ends any conversation. And you can't have one without the other, even in the biblical context. So some might be really good, you know? That's right. That's why, again, I go back to what Timothy, I think Timothy Albarino's work is he's really kind of analytically, logically approached this to say, for example, like, if you were visited by people from another country, go back in the time in which the, you know, Europeans were colonizing the Americas.

1:45:05Some of them, not all of them were bad people. Some of them were good. Some of them certainly were bad. But like you, I just think that you shouldn't, categorize it all for sure thing unless you absolutely definitively know I agree and I've seen a remarkably low amount of evidence for the space alien thing like you can go back to you know certain abductions you know obviously Betty and Barney Hill saying they're from a binary star system mapped out looked like Zeta Reticuli things like that there you can find a decent amount of things like that right but there is just as much if I wanted to steal man the argument for future human time travelers and I wanted to steal man the angels and demons argument you could just as easily steal man those things as you could space aliens so it's all of them feel somewhat arbitrary and I almost feel like the more uh worthwhile philosophical endeavor would be how would you reconcile all of those things because maybe these we're talking in these sort of limited frameworks and it's false dichotomies right like maybe maybe angels can fly to different planets and maybe they can travel through time maybe they're from different planets maybe they're from different planets right like um maybe they are extra-dimensional maybe they're from different planets or maybe maybe there's also other creations at different planets in addition to a you know categorically angels um that are spiritual i mean who knows yeah i find the modern conversation around all of this stuff frustrating because it feels like on the one hand it's like it's space aliens and then on the other hand with arrow it's like it's nothing and i think in reality the people who say it's nothing know that it's actually in certain cases they're bad faith actors that know that it's much deeper than the nothing so but they they know it's actually deeper than than space aliens too so they they actually know that there's something around the consciousness stuff the fact that this is all kind of an interface there's something deeper going on in reality so they can in good faith people like sean kirkpatrick say i have no evidence for extraterrestrials because it's such an oversimplification that's right well and if there's no proof of where it came from which planet it came from then how then he then you could definitively you could say well i i have no evidence of extraterrestrial yeah right yeah Yeah.

1:47:28So I think that, yeah, I just, right now, anybody that says they have all the answers clearly doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody speaks with really high confidence, says they're all good or they're all bad or I know where they're from. I love the information, the books that people send me. I've gotten some wild. So I've, somebody sent me both volumes of the Encyclopedia Galactica, which is, have you seen this? No. It's very creative. but this person has written hundreds and hundreds of pages with graphics and, and of, um, of different categories of species of aliens and which planets they're from. And it goes in great detail.

1:48:10I'll try to get you. I'd love to check. That sounds awesome. I mean, the level of creativity of that, of that material is off the charts. It's off the charts. It's incredible. But yes, I agree. When, when somebody starts to speak super definitively and confidently, about alien race taxonomies. I'm like, I don't know. Where are you getting this? Right. You know? Show me the receipts. Show me the receipts. Yeah. But I'm down to read that book. That sounds awesome. If you were to pick anyone in government to subpoena or get endless time with in a SCIF, you know, secure compartmentalized information facility on this specific issue, UFOs, who would it be?

1:48:51I would say probably Glenn Gaffney, who is, you know, former CIA. A lot of people I talked to said that this is somebody that we need to talk to. And then Steve Cantrell, who's former Air Force, I think, senior intelligence from the Air Force, a lot of people talked to. And then the other name that kept coming up, sadly, was General McCasland. And then there's another individual that has since passed away. And so those are the people that I would like to talk to. Can you say who the individual who passed away was? Um, I've, I'm for, I'm blanking on the name right now. I can get that to you. Okay.

1:49:29It's fascinating. It's such a weird, uh, as I'm sure you're running into like org chart, like it's like often not the person who's the most superior in the particular organization that you're looking for. It's like the deputy that knows more than the superior. And there are these like weird cutouts and I, I've never seen anything that cuts across so many government agencies, Air Force, Navy, CIA, Office of Naval Intelligence. It seems like all of these groups have some NSA, all of these groups have something to do with this issue, but it's often these like vital sub compartments. It's not like from the top.

1:50:07It's so weird. It's almost as if like the aliens are like running the programs themselves or something because I don't understand. Look, you know this better than anybody. The government's not well organized and stuff leaks and like, especially things that are that broadly distributed. So that, that feels like a really interesting feature of this whole thing. Just the organizational. That's why I think that it's probably organized from the FFRDC level somewhere, because then they can, they can create the program and the reason for the funding and, and then report up only what they have to report up to get the funding necessary.

1:50:46So they create the special access program. They create a little vital sub compartment. And then they only have to report up a certain amount of stuff. And they're these subject matter experts. It's that's interesting. So they're the like vital core of this whole thing. Right. And honestly, from my experience in government, the higher you go, the more broad things are and the less people know or they act like they know or nobody. Nobody really asks the right questions, especially members of Congress. Most of the time, they'll just take, you know, you'll pass bills that are appropriating billions and billions of dollars to programs with just very generic explanations as to what they do.

1:51:24And often it sounds wonderful. I mean, look at what happened with USAID. You had billions being spent and it all sounded like rosy, very, very nice things. And then when you looked into it, it was, when you looked into the details. Yeah, regime change or some, you know, diversity initiative somewhere. So it's just sometimes a nonprofit that was just taking the money and using it on nonset. Paying for transgender comic books in certain countries. Just crazy. Right. Like, what? Yeah, what is that? So, yeah. Okay, that's interesting. The broader you go up in the civilian government, the less of a handle they probably have on these things.

1:52:03Yeah, I mean, they certainly would have the authority if they wanted to, to drill down and to pull that information out of them. But oftentimes, they're not going to even know what questions to ask. And that's my experience. I truly feel like what we're experiencing right now with the White House, Stephen Miller is now leading up this investigation. the low-hanging fruit was to say we know that there's a bunch of these video files that are sitting at the department of war in like sipper and all these other because we we know all these people are leaking them so let's just release all of them and so the first tranche that's what you saw is a bunch of videos from drones from mq9 predator drones where they've cited something that seems really strange but then where do you go from there right it's actually going to be a lot more sticky and difficult and you'll have to really roll up your sleeve and you have to know where to go to ask the right and what questions to ask right and so to the point in which um i was kind of frustrated with the white house that they that they were doing this release and weren't working with the c you know secrets task force weren't working through luna and myself and birchett and then they they called and said you know hey can you be can you say some positive things about the president's release tomorrow.

1:53:19I said, I don't even know what you're releasing. You guys haven't said anything to us. You haven't included us. And the response was, well, we're absolutely going to be including you next because we really don't know exactly where to go next. Right. And when you hear that, when you hear people at the top saying, we need your help knowing where to go look, that to me, that's really what we're experiencing. It's a little disconcerting because we, you know, it's a government by and for the people. And it's like, they don't even have a handle on this stuff, which seems like really important, you know, like the program.

1:53:59The strategy they have, I think, is a good one. If they actually pull it off. And what will be the game changer is if they say, the president comes out and says, everyone's NDAs related to this topic are null and void. So that frees up a Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon and all of these people to be able to say David Grush and Jake Barber to say whatever they fully want to say. And then it also frees up anybody else who may have been waiting to be able to come forward. The other things they need to do is they really need to make it right to the people that have already come forward and suffered the consequences, like Grush.

1:54:40right the people that lost their pensions they lost their health benefits that lost their their um their clearance level it'd be great if grush was in a position of power because this guy is did all the work he compiled hundreds of pages of documents he gave it to the you know intelligence community inspector general they said it was urgent incredible like i can't think of anybody better who just has access but i think that's why he um creates all the you know there are all these kind of allergic reactions to him. Right. Because he knows a lot. And I think people know he knows a lot. They do. And that's why I begged the Oversight Committee to hire him.

1:55:20I begged anybody in the agencies that are investigating this to hire him. I'd love to see Odie and I. Which is why I hired him. Yeah. Because at least he could go. That's a great hire. It's a good deal. I'd love to see Odie and I or the White House or, you know, like, you know, it'd be... But Epic, if you had his knowledge combined with their ability to knock down doors, I mean, you're knocking down doors right now. But you must feel on some level, you're like, why isn't he, you know, why isn't the president? No, because the truth is, David can give me the information and I can go bang on the door, but I can't knock it down.

1:55:59Sure. Right. But if he's working with President Trump, he could go he could go blast the door open. Right. What do you think President Trump knows about UFOs? my i do believe he's been briefed i don't know for sure this is what i've heard that he's been briefed there's a funny anecdotal story that comes with that that i don't know if it's fiction or not but it was that that trump was during that briefing he was told that there are hybrids and told the narrative that they were that there's hybrids that potentially live amongst us and that Trump's response was, you mean like Adam Schiff? No way.

1:56:40Which I could totally believe that he would say something like that. Yeah, wasn't he briefed on like Nordics or something? Right. Like Nordic aliens? Yeah, something like that. And so, I mean, I don't know for sure. Do we know who briefed him? I've been told, I was told that this, again, this is not definitive. This is what I've heard. So, who knows? But it's clear he's not been briefed to the level of David. Or if he has been, he also may not just trust the people briefing him. Sure. Yeah. It's such a weird topic. A good story that encapsulates the weirdness of this topic is in the 90s. Clinton really wanted to be read in.

1:57:23He was really interested in this whole thing. And that's why Podesta later gets really involved. and so he's trying to figure out what's going on with ufos what's happening and this guy ron pandolfi who's at the cia uh he like is helping him and he gets this like civilian researcher bruce mccabee to brief clinton and it's like wait that's the best you can get for briefing our president on this topic and maybe if it's like a brief on this weird metaphysical thing that's weakly entangled with reality that's one thing but there's a whole gradation of possibilities here up until like literally flying objects that deliver payloads and if you're not being briefed on that and you're the president it's like you're not being briefed on like the next hypersonics thing that the u.s has capabilities wise that's like insane and like this topic is it breaks your brain when you hear stories you're like that you're like what right it makes you feel like there's some secret society breakaway civilization like like some of these ufo researchers like richard dolan you know uses that kind of as like a conceptual you know maybe it's this he's not a high conviction in it but it kind of gets you into that territory so where where i'm at right now is that i think that it's either one of two things it's one is that we're at a place where our military really doesn't and and even all the way up and down the system nobody really even knows what these glowing orbs are and that like while we have this false belief that the government has this ability that we have these craft that we have this understanding we have this false belief in that it we have way too much confidence in our federal government and which is you know always a safe bet always a safe bet the so there's that and and that but that there is something mystical out there that we don't know and certainly obviously there's things that that we all don't know right and that being one of them the other worldview could be that we that there is a layer that knows what's really going on but it is but it's this middle layer yeah and that the information is only going to matriculate up if it's demanded or or even in on it and then downward it's only it's compartmentalized overly compartmentalized and the question is how do you get to that layer of the onion and you get into really weird territory philosophically too because you can say, oh, it starts with the federally funded research and development centers.

1:59:56But then we were talking about this, you know, before we started rolling, it's like the, if there is a feature around the UFO thing, it's the like chasing your tail dynamic of anyone looking into it. And I'm talking anyone, even some of the people, you know, in the movie Age of Disclosure, like are described as like outsider civilian investigators. When like people who watch ufo shows think that they're like at the center of the thing like no one's at the center of the thing and then you get into the you know like this guy mentioned tim taylor at aerospace corporation he's saying he's taking orders from an angel and he's operating on like a higher mandate and his whole hierarchy of the stratification of the government involves uh you know senior intelligence officials and then i think it goes you know human alien hybrids angels like he has a whole thing that goes above the government.

2:00:51I've got to read Tim Taylor's stuff. Check this out. And he's a dude that's high functioning. He's been working on NASA missions since the Challenger, where he actually talks about Judith Resnick, who died in the Challenger mission. It really affected him. But he's a known entity at NASA. He's worked there for a long time. And then he's also at Aerospace Corporation, like a very real guy. And then also, you know, clearly had dealings at the highest levels of I mean, he claimed to meet with the president, actually, in certain cases, and is showing up in these experiencers' lives, too. He showed up in the life of Chris Bledsoe.

2:01:26He showed up with Charles Hall, who said that he lived with aliens at Area 51. He knows Whitley Streber. So it's this very—he's almost like he's operating on some higher mandate. Like, who's ordering him to go, you know, talk to these experiencers? Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. I do know, like, one of the individuals that was brought to me was highly credible that does receive what he describes as downloads. And this is not a weirdo. This is not a guy living in a van down by the river. This is a very respected individual in our nation. Yeah. Not famous, but just a very respected business leader and thought leader.

2:02:12I know who this person is. Yeah. I'm not going to out him. But yeah, he has some very interesting experiences where he sort of channels prophecies. And it's always hard to say because some of these things often feel filtered through the person. And sometimes they can be almost seductively adjacent to true things. But they also feel like, how would you know that sort of thing? Really on the nose in certain cases. And he reaches out to me, actually, because I'll often cover something with my show and he'll be like, I channeled the exact thing or whatever. I'm like, whoa, that's kind of trippy. He's been a very, I think he's a fantastic person to know.

2:02:57Yeah. And I don't doubt him. I don't doubt that he believes that he's a student. I don't doubt his experiences. No. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll keep it high level, but yeah, he has a very impressive business track record as well. Just has done some remarkable things. You don't operate at the level that he's operating if there's something off. No, exactly. Well, that's what, I mean, I think a lot of people have this misconception that the higher you go in society, the less trippy you get. Like it's not functional to be out there and into metaphysics or eschatology or any of these things. And I think it's the opposite.

2:03:34I think often the higher you go, the more like, ooh, there's something interesting going on. Maybe. Yeah, because you stop thinking about, you know, how am I going to pay for my boat or how am I going to, like, you know what I'm saying? Your Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Moves you to a point where you start thinking of the higher things. 100%. Have you ever spent time around Trump? I have. Uh-huh. Yes. I want to hear what that was like because Tucker Carlson was recently interviewed by the New York Times. And it was one of these clearly like kind of smug gotcha, like New York Times was trying to like make him look like a fool or whatever.

2:04:10And he was like, it's a, I think he described it as like a supernatural experience being around Trump. And Trump is like. And he's a very, he's a, he's a phenomena of a person, you know, he like, he, he grew up at this, you couldn't write this up. His preacher growing up was Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote The Power of Positive Thinking. And if you think about his whole thing, it's like this, like, kind of like, we're going to be bigger and we're going to be better, you know, it's just like, and it's sort of like manifest and it ends up happening and he's able to just, he keeps going. And so is that your experience?

2:04:45What did you? I found him to be a very actually very hospitable very sweet and warm individual and then at times the funniest person you'll ever meet he will especially I mean he's pretty much the same person on camera or on a stage pretty much I think he takes off the filter a little bit he'll tell stories like he told I got to the time I spent the most time with him was during one of the days that he was on trial it was the day that that his attorney um cohen was testifying against him and it was so remarkable that day was so remarkable because you had him on the stand admit that he's stealing money from donald trump and yet he's a credible witness to uh to the um this i think at the time it was the housing like that he had overvalued his properties or whatever so uh so he's got to spend a lot of time with trump what was also fascinating is it's this guy one of the wealthiest people in the world and when he orders food it's it's just pepperoni pizza just boxes of pepperoni pizzas and he didn't because normally if you're going to order food for a group of people you would probably do you know we'll do a few of this few of that few of this right complicated a little bit trump is not he's he's he kept it simple uh-huh you know everyone's eating pepperoni pizza oh it's hilarious and he i think i believe he loves big macs and i think he's a little paranoid and big macs are pre-prepared so that they can't be meddled with but he's clearly running on some sort of junk energy that like it it really you know his father fred trump he believed that the human heart was like a battery so the more you worked out the more you lowered the energy in the battery and so yeah so it's like like trump's like eating big macs and pepperoni pizza and he's chilling at mar-a-lago and working all night long working all night long he's sleeping four hours a night and he's he's he's what in his early 80s now he's right right and he's he's still going he's he's a remarkable whatever your politics are It's like that guy is...

2:07:01Physical specimen. He's a physical specimen. Yeah. He should be studied. He is the UFO. The other thing I found comical is we were in like what, honestly, the courtroom that we were in reminded me of the TV show Night Court. Like that kind of New York, like everything's old, a little bit dingy, not exactly nice new furniture. and Trump commented several times about how much he loved the chairs in the side room that we were in. And these were not even nice chairs. He's like, I love these chairs. It's so comfortable. I love, he was just commenting about something like that. It just, that struck me, right?

2:07:41Yeah, well, he, I mean, somebody like that has got to be operating at such a high level, but you also need that in-person charisma. And so you remember the little details too in a way that probably just wins the favor of like everyone. And I'm sure there are tons of people who criticize him so much from afar. Yeah. And then they get pulled in by that handshake and he starts talking and like, you know, they go goo goo ga ga, you know. I'm sure that happens all the time. Yeah. He does, no one has more charisma. Yeah, yeah. Where do you think we go on UFOs? Like it feels like, look, for as much as we've been talking about kind of the quixotic, sometimes Sisyphean aspects of this whole topic, which feel, you know, like very frustrating.

2:08:28We've made a lot of progress. And I think you're a big part of that progress. So I guess I'd love to hear, you know, maybe some behind the scenes stories of like what has led us to today, which we're at, we're at a historic juncture where we're getting releases from the Department of War. And then what do you see as like a go forward outlook? I think we would not have been here had it not been for this like magic moment where we had where we had I'll begin with the bravery of people like David Grush and Lou Elizondo coming forward Admiral Gallaudet you know Dylan Borland the list goes on right you've had some really brave people that have sacrificed their careers to come forward and then you've had members of Congress who I mean And selfishly, I'll say that it was not exactly an advice that was given to me by my campaign advisor.

2:09:19He said, do not talk about this topic. It's going to kill your political career because no one, this is not something that's going to advance you. People are going to smirk about it and you won't be taken seriously politically. I think it ended up working. And I think people love you because you jumped into this. I hope so. Yeah. But yeah, there's people like myself, Tim Burch. I'm going to say the godfather of the Congress that kind of, you know, was willing to talk about it. And then obviously leadership of Anna Paulina Luna. And then us just as a team pushing and pushing. Any moment that we would get, we would be telling the White House staff, you know, we would be nagging them about this.

2:10:00And then us trying to pass the UAP Disclosure Act language on the National Defense Authorization Act. coming up and failing, but at least getting that spotlight put on it, that moved the ball. But then when we finally got Trump in, and then he was following through on the disclosure of the JFK files, following through on the disclosure of MKUltra and the Martin Luther King Jr. files, all of these things. And even though it was sticky and messy, the Epstein files. At the end of the day, Trump is the disclosure president. And when he finally issued this directed to release the UFO files, we are in a historic moment because you've had presidents that never wanted to talk about this, that have always kept this secret.

2:10:47And this president and the fact that you have a combination of Congress that's willing to actually roll up their sleeves and do the work, this is a magic moment. And so where we go from here, I think has to do with this task force that Stephen Miller has put together. And the fact that Trump assigned Miller. That's his guy. Exactly. He's the guy who Trump said first, when he first came in, assigned him to fix the border wall situation. And then, so, you know, it's like, those are his top priority. That's his top priority. Now he's assigned to this. That's a big deal. So you got Stephen Miller leading the charge.

2:11:22He's a bulldog. And then you've got a team of people. The fact, the fact they're making the CIA work come to the table. They're making the Department of Energy talk about this. They're putting together this team. I have, I've got, you know, I'm skeptical, but I've got a little bit of hope. And then I, what I'm trying to do is trying to hit the private sector, get them on alert. And then, and a lot of these letters that I'm sending to, whether it's MITRE or RAND or MIT Lincoln Labs, we're working. I'm basically telegraphing to the White House, hey, look at what I'm doing. You guys need to follow up and follow this investigation.

2:12:05And you're working kind of hand in hand with Grush on a lot of this stuff. Yes. And some others that are kind of advisors, that are outside advisors. Any others that you can mention? That don't want to be public. None of them want to be public. Okay. What do you know? Because I think it's easy for people in the audience to be skeptical around reprisals that people faced. I will say I have a nickname for that group, the Lone Gunman. Yeah, exactly. That are my little team of advisors. They've been very helpful for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you have any insight into the kind of pushback that people like David Grush have faced?

2:12:47Yeah, I think that I got to see a meeting happen between Grush and someone from ODNI that was a pretty blunt meeting where he was, and you could tell they were basically apologizing for the way in which he's been treated over these years. and so I think that the message that I'm trying to deliver to them is this it's going to take more than than an apology you know you guys really need to you know you need to correct some of the the things that have happened do you think we have saucers and hangers do you think we have real physical craft uh sitting in hangers do you think we have alien bodies in uh facilities I don't have any evidence, but I hope we do.

2:13:39I would love it if we do. That's what I'm trying to find, but I don't have any evidence of it. But if you had to guess, if you had to, to the audience, I'm making you engage in speculation. If it's like a yes or no. Visibility wise, I would say maybe, I would say a 10 % chance that we do. 10%. Okay. But worthy of investigation because of the implications of what we do and because of all the circumstances. It's game changer. It's, it's breakaway technology. And honestly, if we did have it again, I go back to the time that I spent on the tarmac. I think we, we should all be frustrated that we are not able to share in this.

2:14:20If there is a breakaway technology that's being hidden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Congressman Eric Burleson, this has been an honor. It's been a lot of fun. It's really refreshing, actually, to hear somebody who's just like, this is what was told to me. I'm cataloging it and I'm going to look for more evidence and I'm just going to follow the trail and I'm not going to be dramatic about it. I'm not going to act all histrionic, attention seeking, call myself a star seed, say people are coming after me. You know, there's a lot of there's enough of that. Trust me. Right. And that's not to say I don't indulge some of that myself with people I speak to.

2:14:53But like, I know, I think I think what you have is missing. So I appreciate your just kind of hold candid approach to the whole topic. I think that's really needed. Well, I appreciate the deep dives that you do. I watch your podcasts. I sometimes have to chunk them because they're long, but I really love your work. You're an elite class and the product that you produce is of the highest caliber and I look forward to every episode. I don't know what to say. That means so much. I appreciate it. Awesome. All right. Cool.

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