Epstein & UFOs: The Secret Science Honeypot (Ft. Jay Anderson & Kurt Metzger)

24:38fake and he's like well Admiral Bobby Ray Inman convinced me that these were flying saucers from an alien species so I'm pretty okay with that and it's just like well damn man like he's like reiterating this over and over a few people have said that it was maybe uh you know misquoted from that documentary where you've got the recording but here's Exler on the news a few different times reiterating that Admiral Inman made him made him like absolutely confident and positive so and Oxler seemed markedly more reasonable than a lot of UFO researchers like he himself was an aerospace engineer. Yeah, he was a NASA guy.

25:09He was a NASA specialist at some point in his life. And again, yeah, very calm-spoken intellectual guy that was just being very matter-of-fact with it and just saying, well, no, I mean, from where I'm seeing, the Admiral essentially has convinced me that these are recovered vehicles that we're working on. And there's no way that you could be mistaken and it could have been an airplane, helicopter or something of that nature. Well, Admiral Inman convinced me that these vehicles were not manufactured by human technology. So that's pretty conclusive for me. That's it. That's it. So again, I think it's true.

25:40I wouldn't even go against the idea that there's been some archaeological finds from the old world. I mean, I'm diving into prehistory right now and getting into that, seeing so many anomalies that are so advanced and so contradictory to our models. You think about things like the Vamanas of ancient India and these stories that you have of flying chariots. It's like, OK, was there a golden age of aerospace before our history started? Is some of that under the ground? I think even Grosh talked about recoveries, right? The Italians recovered something back in the Mussolini days. In 1933, exactly.

26:09Yeah, it's like the magenta crash. I think, yeah, I think there's a case to be said for like archaeological finds as well. I think so too. Well, somehow it just feels somewhat arbitrary if UFO crashes only occurred 1947 and onwards because of nuclear. And only in New Mexico. And only in New Mexico. That feels like extremely anti-centric or egocentric and nation-centric. Right, right. You know, yeah, there's a whole field of forbidden archaeology, which you're kind of diving into, which all this megalithic architecture. And I wonder if UFOs, aliens and crashes are a part of that. I don't know. And I don't have any evidence.

26:46But it wouldn't make sense to me that there would be this stark dividing line where it just starts in the atomic age. Well, it kind of gets back to like, you know, like how do you want to look at aliens from the ancient, ancient perspective? If you look at theologic texts like the Book of Enoch, the Watchers or the Anunnaki or the Nephilim, you know, the ones that came down and slept with the women of men and made these like, you know, hybrid species. It's like, OK, a lot of different texts speak about this in variations, but there's kind of a similar theme of giant beings or some other type of being that came and interface with us.

27:16So that's kind of like how you might look at it from the ancient perspective. And you see some of these megalithic stone building sites all over the world. It's like, okay, humans aren't capable, at least from our understanding of history and capabilities at that time, we couldn't do that. So where does that? And especially, you know, not to get off on a tangent, but with the ancient megalithic sites like Stonehenge or other parts of the world, it's not just the engineering. It's the alignment. It's astronomy. It's mathematics. Some of them are even acoustically tuned to produce strange effects from reverberation.

27:46So it's like it's a complex set of knowledge that is then globally represented all over the world. And that says to me that there was someone who really knew what they were talking about with a lot of different areas of science and engineering and astronomy that was putting this together and then inspiring people to do it all over the world. So whether that's an interface with non-human intelligence or just a completely different variation of human intelligence that we've long forgotten, I don't know. But there's a profound mystery there. There's something else. There's clearly the primitive to progress narrative that we're being spoon fed by like Steven Pinker.

28:17And, you know, it's just obviously BS. That's like obviously wrong. Yeah. And you don't have to necessarily, you know, wholesale agree with Eric Von Daniken or something. No, no, no. To say that, like. Dude, even just taking, like, one foot off of the conventional path, you start going, holy shit. Yeah. Like, this is not right. Well, there's just no, yeah, there's just no way some of this stuff could have been built. And so I think we have to, like, not necessarily cross the T or dot the I artificially. But, like, there's something going on. Yeah, absolutely. Like, that narrative is wrong. And it's kind of like, you know, it's like polar opposites of the argument.

28:50I mean, like the mainstream who are very reductive and in their little refined channel. And then obviously on the polar opposite, you've got people who are like, it was absolutely built by the Nephilim. We don't know. We don't know that. But it's definitely a mystery. Like it hasn't been addressed. It hasn't been satisfactorily put to the side. And there's so much of that, like whether it's history or, you know, the anomalies and UFOs. Like that's why I kind of feel like they're cotangent. They are connected together. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of influence in, you know, the wheels of Ezekiel and these incredible visions that people have had throughout time.

29:18And if they had it today, that would be a UFO experience. Totally. You know? Yeah, exactly. That would just be part of the modern lore. There's definitely a presence that's been here throughout time. Yeah, I think so too. Another guy that you interviewed, John Ramirez. Yeah, he's an interesting cat. Super interesting guy, former CIA. Yeah, GS-15. GS-15. And he's come out now, and I think on your show as well, saying that he's sure we have hybrid programs. Human-alien hybrid programs. Yeah, yeah. And that's the word that Louis Elizondo can't say that everyone in the Pentagon is expecting him to say someday is that we're all hybrids.

29:54Personally, I believe this is one of the core secrets. That's my personal opinion. When you hear him say that, are you like, you know, this is legit. This is CIA disinfo. What's your... Middle ground, man. Like, grain of salt. You know what I mean? Like, take everything with a grain of salt. I all respect to John Ramirez and I'm not applying this to him, but something that I've definitely felt over the years of, you know, being thrown into interfacing with people in the intelligence community is they're really good at becoming a friend. Right. When you've got an influential platform, you know what I mean?

30:24Yeah, sure. Really good at becoming your friend. And they're very likable and they're easy to become friends with. But, you know, again, it comes back to that thing of how much of this can be validated, how much of this has been evidenced. I'd say, you know, 0.1 % of that. Right. So like John Ramirez, super interesting guy. I think he's actually genuinely passionate about the subject and he's an experiencer. You know, you find a lot of these people in the agency, like within the CIA, you know, it seems to be a hallmark of like these guys who have got quite high up in the ranks of that particular agency is they've got like some weird ideas.

30:55That's what they want, right? They want out of the box thinkers. So of course you're going to get people in these agencies that believe in all of that. But you expect that.

31:07I'm a big fan of this guy, so I'm so happy he's here. This is how I dress when I watch Jazzy's show. Oh, I love it, man.

31:15I can see that. You're like a Templar. Yeah. Oh, that figures in. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That figures in. It was funny. When I met Eric Mondan again, and I asked, you know, on all these things, he was like super like, you know, these crazy hand wavy theories. And then I asked him about the Templars and he goes, there are secrets that I cannot talk about. And I was like, really? Eric Mondanigan? You know, like a little. What word for? How do you have that antique shop? Was that Eric Mondanigan has an antique shop? You know what's interesting about the Templars as well in respects to Egypt? Just a little bit of quick trivia.

31:54Yeah. Is the Great Pyramid of Giza. You know, it's eight sided. The Pyramid of Giza is eight sided. Eight sided. Very subtle. And it can be seen. it can be seen from above but if you get an aerial of this at a certain point in time you can actually see that instead of four sides it's got these like indentations that create an eight sided pyramid the Templar flag is an eight sided pyramid turned into a 2D shape so if you take the Templar flag and you create it into a three dimensional object you get the Great Pyramid of Giza wow you've interviewed a guy who is the modern grandmaster I traveled to Egypt with him Timothy Hogan yeah Yeah, you're plugged in.

32:32You're plugged in, yeah. I went with Sir Timothy Hogan. I was brought into the king's chamber by him personally. What's his? He's a real Templar. He's a real Templar. Yeah, he's got his receipts. Well, I've got some. Okay, well, that's disturbing. But don't you guys think if they're real Templars today, they wouldn't dress up like a, like, or be like Timothy Hogan? Well, I'm not. They would be like these subtle. Well, I mean, it's like there's levels, right? Gypto. The bottom of the fucking barrel. When are you doing your Gyptos? There's Halloween costume level. Zahe Hawass. Did you watch Zahe Hawass?

33:10Of course. I watched the Supercut. I couldn't do the three hours. It looked like they were arguing over a carpet. It was fucking insane. Joe, that was probably the worst podcast he's ever done. He said it. The next guest, he was like, that was the worst fucking podcast. And Zahe goes, at some point, he's bombing. So he's doing so badly. And then halfway in, he goes, I'm doing a speech in Houston. Will you speak in Houston? Will you introduce me? He's like, fuck no. He's like, dude, I'm busy. I'm busy. I'm a busy guy. No, dude, it was like you're buying electronic on 42nd Street from supporting you.

33:41You know what's crazy about that is I guarantee you he still walked out of that studio going, I did a great job. I did a great job. I've nipped that in the bud. Well, that's his job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His job is to go and do that. I won't lie. I'm like 50 % nervous about going through checks in Cairo when I head out there. If I don't come back, bro, I'm gone. Like someone's taken me. No, they'll just be like you can't come in. Well, don't think if you're on a major platform and you said anything. I mean, I probably destroyed it for you. I'm sorry. That's okay. It's all right. I mean, he sounded like an electronic gentleman.

34:09They've accepted my plane ticket. I put my passport details in. I got greenlit, so it should be all right. But we'll see how it goes. I worked for The Wiz when I was younger. You know, in my many astral travels. Who's The Wiz? Nobody beats The Wiz, the electronics store. Oh, you worked for The Wiz? Yeah, I was a salesman. Oh. You know, that's how I developed my - felt like your manager there no i was in bricked down new jersey but in new york where those you know you don't mess with the zohan movie they know it yeah yeah they're like sony guts okay it's a very middle eastern uh bizarre way of dealing with things and that's how they are you come i show you yeah yeah yeah yeah and he's apparently he's like kind of sketchy like he he sells on the black market like but he literally profits off i wouldn't be surprised and you know interesting about zahi was is like back in like the 1990s i want to say like 1992 he was uh giving a speech at a university in cairo where he was like there are subterranean labyrinths underneath the plateau there are entrances from the sphinx to the pyramids you don't say tell us a lot more about who really built them and then two years later he changed his tune and has never changed it back okay so something happened so something right there was that what it was also did you know he was funded by the edgar casey foundation i was about to ask if you knew that yeah bro what So you know Edgar Cayce?

35:23I know who he was. He's like a very famous remote, and he made all these predictions about the halls of Amenti and the lost records of Egypt. So the Edgar Cayce Foundation funded Zahi Hawass. So like he started off on this esoteric kind of truth seeker style funding and idea. And then I want to say about 1993, after that speech that he gave, complete change. You think somebody like got you? I would not be surprised. Wait, hold that thought of Zahi Hawass. You can apply that to most of the people. Yeah, for real, bro. That are like, why are you 180 degrees from the thing you said before right right right yeah oh well here's the reason yeah you're a compromise yeah you don't got a yeah you don't exactly blackmail it could be well how about make you rich silver or lead is the great pablo right right plato or pomo if someone's telling you real info okay yeah and you're talking about it here um listen if you ever remember gary webb the guy that knew the cia brought coke into the hood yeah the old black guy conspiracy that people that i was dismissive of they'd be putting crack in the hood that's exactly what they did and you know how i know they did because the reporter that reported it shot himself twice in the head hey yeah how tragic yeah it happens right you look so ridiculous if you wanted to stigmatize all the shit for everybody i want to make it clear listen i'll make it clear i'm not a journalist i'm not in the space but you kind of are well kurt has a crazy story we will get back to no it's cool we're doing a survey level some shit like i said like i'm fully pumped to have kurt here you know kurt doesn't doesn't remember part of his childhood because he was in the gifted and talented education program it's just smart kid classes it's fine and now i know a lot of esoteric stuff oh you're in the same well they're teaching you remote viewing and all that kind of stuff i have no idea i don't remember a single part of it my brother and sister in it i asked my mom to like and now he's super deep for more ages for more ages i don't know they don't your parents didn't tell you my mom don't remember if your parents they go hey your son's got high iq and you're gonna be gifted and talented you think your parents give a fucking shit they don't they're like whoa everybody's conditioned for a pat on the head in this society that's the occult prison that you live in so you go oh i got a good i'm an expert right that's how kindergarten you know the the prussian school that we use for some reason yeah right right right you think that is yeah that's weird is that normal is weird actually like why do we have that because at age five we don't call it that in the uk but it's yeah oh it came from so we have a lot to thank the uk for here in this country certainly uh definitely you do uh but our entire schooling system is designed to compartmentalize you right out of the gate i mean and I'm not telling you any esoteric secrets.

38:12It's written down. Of course, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Because it was the Prussian miracle. So they sent people from all... How did you get such control over your citizens? Because this guy found out that 70 % of the troops... I always thought those old-timey guns didn't really shoot straight. No, 70 % of people don't pull the trigger. They miss on purpose. This is a problem. Right, right, right. How do we fix this? Oh, you're with mommy and daddy too long. I got to get you before that third brainwave you get that tells you what reality is. six is too late me and rogan talked about joe went to went at age six it's too late you've already been in print to a mommy and daddy wait he did it as well i'm not talking about that i'm talking about kindergarten oh okay right right right okay i'm talking about if you go look into how we got our school system it's real it's it's real weird and uh the goal is this so uh here's a uh 20 years ago pre-k suddenly became a thing in new york you oh you got to go to pre-k because outcomes are better for kids that go to pre-k.

39:09I didn't go to pre-k. My mom taught me to read at home and I went to kindergarten. Why is that so important? Because it's not working. We got to get you away from mommy earlier so that the government can get its dick in your brain early. Yeah, break up that family dynamic. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Okay, so here's some esoteric, real esoteric. And I just discerned this like a regular manly pee hole. You got a right left brain, so you watch these secular materialist scientists. Yeah. your Mike DeGrasse Tyson's and what have you. Neil DeGrasse Tyson? Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Whatever, nerd. He just mashed up Mike Tyson.

39:44Now that would be a sick combo. It would be a sick combo. A fighting physicist. I prefer Mike, personally. I think he does more. It's called steganography. Shout out to DJ. Dark journalist. Yeah, dude. Yeah, because the Octagon thing I got off of him and Joseph P. Farrell. I'm trying to get an interview of him. I love Joseph P. Farrell. Okay, so that guy blew my... blew my mind dude and i would here's what's so funny about watching because you're hitting on a bunch of i've seen your show you guys are on some good points thanks brother how old are you though 30 how old are you 33 okay so you're still at the age before you figured out the scam yet and by the time i'm 48 finally old enough to serve in ukraine and when you figure out the scam here's how it works fuck you you're 48 motherfucker the 30 year olds still believe there's new suckers for the thing believe in what believe in the whole thing so now all this ufo shit what blew my mind was when i looked into it it turns out a bunch of stuff's been disclosed over and over yeah oh yeah wheel of samsara yeah man for sure for sure for sure yeah but what you don't realize so then you're like but then what's the deeper truth like Because I like, look, I'll watch Dark Journalist and like, it's like ASMR for conspiracies that never resolve.

41:02He goes, do you know about this? You don't know. You're in that same space. Mystery School. Yeah, I'll talk about it. It's interesting. J.J. Abrams Mystery Box Storytelling. Okay. You remember J.J. Abrams Mystery Box Method? He does a TED Talk about it. Right. Okay. Basically, the show Lost and Scientology are the same basic thing. Mystery Box, sure. You stick with it and get invested. Yeah. And then you get a shitty ending. Well, that's another thing is the influence of Scientology in the UFO community. Because there's a big presence of that belief system. Yeah, that's a CIA cutout, right? Exactly.

41:34How big do you think it is? Scientology is the sky that gets it. Yeah, how big do you think it is? Well, I mean, like, you know, they infiltrated the CIA and a few different agencies. They infiltrated the IRS. Operation Snow White. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What is it? Multi-agency infiltration. Wait, Kurt, shut up for a second. Multi-agency infiltration. What's that? My wisdom has been overflowing. It is. It is. It is. Truly. I went to Operation Snow White. So that was when they did that huge infiltration of multiple agencies, including the IRS, CIA, with an incentive to try and promote psychic research and these types of ideas and prevent them from kind of stopping it.

42:06Tax-free status. Yeah. And you don't know about this? I know about the fights with the government around tax-free status. Yeah, yeah. It was like the biggest infiltration of the government. I've heard of Operation Snow White. It was wild. But how prevalent was it? Did it work? I don't think they got caught. They got caught, so I don't think it fully worked, but it worked for a time. They managed to create influence, and obviously they're very powerful. But I think that there's genuinely a thread of UFOlogy that comes back to, obviously, Scientology. Go a bit further back. Helena Blavatsky, Theosophy, the Esoteric School.

42:35Yeah, sure, yeah. And I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people in government, because when you actually get to know them or you find out more about them, you find out that beyond the tight suit and the nebocracy is an esoteric person that's into the OTO or Golden Dawn or whatever. That's exactly right. Yes, brother. So like, you know, I think that what they're trying to do, at least my opinion, and actually the guy that you wanted to hear more about, my friend who was speaking, he'd be able to tell you a lot more. He believes, and I would agree, that there is an element of the government that's quite radical, that truly believes in some of these old esoteric systems.

43:04And they're trying to essentially manifest the UFO reality into the world by creating a consensus of it, right? So they're creating this narrative, they're creating this push. Like an egregore. yeah like an aggregate because it's just weird how you know you tap into these guys who are like you know bureaucrats and national security and then you find out that they've got like you know talking points from oto and golden dawn and they're drawing pentagrams and they're showing you the alchemist triangle and it's like you see the matthew brown who just came out through right mathematics and shit like that like you know like you see that okay so here's how i got into my He has satiric knowledge.

43:39I was watching the Charles Hall Tall Whites documentary. I just interviewed him. He's alive? Yeah, he's alive. I have a lot of questions for him. But he's fascinating. He's a trip. A couple of the guys that were with me who had seen them thought that they were ancient Egyptians who had somehow or another gotten into Indian Springs Valley and trapped there, and were still using their own hieroglyphics. Who thought that? A couple of the other range men, yeah. Oh, so here's what you never see. Like a wind-up doll. It didn't make sense. That was weird. Oh, I think I have some theories. So Charles Hall, now, usually when you hear UFO stuff, it's like some goofy Star Trek shit.

44:21Right. And this guy, he made a real specific point that they're not here to save the whales. In fact, the tall whites told him they think it's unusual that we ride horses and live. They said on most of the civilized worlds to him, the dominant species kills off anything that could be a threat to them. Wow. You ever hear anybody talk that way when they talk about our space brothers? I haven't. The way he described it, it sounded like we're Guam or something. Right. Okay. Now, keep in mind, if you talk to him, he's got a real aw shucks, but you just picked up on something with it. That guy's got a nuclear physics degree, so don't be fooled by country dumb.

44:57Uh-huh. As soon as I'm watching, I'm like, so I'm laughing when I'm first watching because they're called tall whites. we're as strong as gorillas compared to them that's a detail right if you touch one of them they'll kill you very weak bodies yeah and i'm like wait a minute i've heard this before you're telling me there's taller whiter things that are that are doing the old british style they show up and wear little ugly like b-style monsters i'll take when he tells a story it sounds like like we're a raj from the colonies. Yeah, right, right. So all I do is look for themes. Like Diana Pasolka, I think she made this word up, myth themes, but I like it.

45:38That's the Legos the stories are built out of. Right. And they repeat. So I watch everything, man. I don't just watch, like I'm on a news show. See, and I notice with everybody that follows this stuff, just the idea that you're wondering if you can, the intel people are gonna, that's because you're compartmentalized. Right. Remember Eric Weinstein? I don't know if he was with you on that video, but on Rogan, he goes, don't tell me it's compartmentalization why would i tell you that right right right do you understand the pyramid structure that we seem to be obsessed with well the ultimate compartmentalization would also be your brain these occult sort of yeah compartmentalizing a person yeah and like there's a terence mckenna quote that i sent you that's like i love that guy amazing right and you've done some awesome videos every lecture he's ever done he like haunts my brain he's incredible and He says, you know, a secret is not something that isn't told.

46:30It's something that cannot be told. Right. Which is like, that's the ultimate, if you want a control system or something, like that's the best way to create it. What do you think the Templars got from their journey to meet with the old man of the mountain? They got some shit, that's for sure. Let me throw out a goofball hypothesis of mine that I got after Rogan told me, Intel people told him China was injecting their people, their kids were stuffed up, raised their IQ. Right. And immediately, I know we did way worse than that automatically because China did it. Yeah. Okay? And so now we got 132 autistic kids.

47:04That's wild. Oh, yeah. I wonder how that happened. Yeah, it's insane. Okay. You know, don't attribute to malice where you contribute to incompetence. No, it's malice, my friend. Yeah. And, okay, let's look at what are the features of autism. Okay? Hyperfocus. Yeah. Hyperfocus. Weird about sex. In fact, you could program them and tell them what gender they are. And they'll believe it. Chris Chan, the inverted Christ, is that. If you've ever heard of Chris Chan. There go our sponsors. Are you sponsored by Sonichu comic books? I think we don't have to be sponsored by Monsanto to get them pulled for this episode.

47:44You don't understand. They made these. They love all the products. No matter how bad you cock up Star Wars, they're going to watch it and tears will form in their eyes that a new Star Wars came out. They buy those stupid vinyl bobblehead whatever the fuck people buy. They're the perfect consumer. The goal laid out when they invented kindergarten. Who hurt you, bro?

48:06Literally the entire system I'm in. It sounds like something real. I went to kindergarten. It sounds like a beef. Also, I was in gate. All right. So this is interesting. I don't remember nothing about it. I'm not accusing him of nothing. You have Jake Barber coming out talking about gifted and talented education program. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, he talks about it also in the context of, you know, Skywatcher and these sort of psionic assets. You know, it seems like the stranger things kind of narrative might be more real than we realize. It was called Montauk originally, and there is a girl that was 11.

48:38Did you know that? No. That's a real person? Yeah, you know, a lot of this stuff. So I sent you the link. You sent me too many links to go through. I cannot. Well, they've already got you because you, look, here's what I, when you said ASMR, this is why. So Nathan Reynolds is who referred me to dark journalist. And what I love about it is I don't care about your production and all that other bullshit. I already feel that's a layer of a cult between me and what I want to know. Right. Sure. So, and Dan's productions are low. He's holding up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That makes me trust him more. I hate you.

49:11You want me to trust people less? Good production. Right, right, right. That makes total sense. But I just, I want him to map it out a little more clearly. Sometimes I'm like, there's not, I don't know if there's a there there. Yeah, ma 'am. I will, I'll listen to the whole thing and I'm like, what happened? I don't really like, I'm with you guys on all the interesting esoteric. Yeah, you gotta watch everyone. And look, all you do. Yeah, that's right. That's a fucking mystery box, bro. You're just saying it now. Okay. Here's why. You can lie to me if you want. I don't care if you're an intel guy.

49:40I don't have nothing to hide and I don't give a fuck. So go ahead and lie, whatever. I'm going to get data off you either way. Right. Because I'm going to figure out why you're lying to me. Well, to be honest, like - It's built in the lie. Well, that's why the move in this space is like talk to everybody because I think you - No, it isn't. It's not. Certain people, and I want to talk to people you can't talk to. Who would you talk to if you could talk to? Okay, my friend Emma has a show called Imagination Podcast. It was on YouTube about MK Monarch, which the link I sent you has been acknowledged.

50:10I didn't know that. I'm obsessed with it. Oh, MK. In the audience, what? MK Monarch. MK Monarch, yeah. Well, that's one of the successors to Ultra. Right, right, right. Oh, your King Charles has that little butterfly. Yeah, little butterfly. He's in a portrait in hamburger meat. Dude, that portrait is one of the fucking scariest looking things I've ever seen. It's just like crimson blood. Like the whole thing is just red. Looks like burger meat. It's freaky, dude. And like you said, little monarch butterfly. Yeah, yeah. And Lord Mountbatten and Jimmy Savile used to all hang out together. Oh, yeah.

50:38And they all had special black berets made. Now that's not in the military there. That's a special unit of just the three amigos. Jimmy Savile was so influential in the UK that he was spending his Christmases at Chequers where the prime minister would spend it and he would go in and out. I don't even know who this is. Jimmy Savile, he was a BBC presenter, very famous and he's the most prolific sex offender and child sex offender in the UK history. You know his victim? He was never caught during his time. It all came out after he died. He had written, do you know what it had written on his gravestone?

51:07You know that? Well, I forgot. On his gravestone, it was fun while it lasted. Oh. Yeah. Now, but did you notice with Jimmy Savile, now, at the time when I saw this story, I didn't realize that he was like a wizard. Right. But then his charity, because they didn't know. Dude, he had a spare key to a child's hospital. He would live there. It's insane. A hospital? Yeah, he had a spare key. He would live on the walls. It's a true demon. It's a true demon. He was a demon. An absolute demon. Good friend of King Charles. If any of them exist, this motherfucker is a demon. And he was good friends with him.

51:40No punishment for the BBC people. He could waltz into Buckingham Palace like he owned the place, man. And then you fast forward and you've got Epstein and Andrew. It's like patterns. Patterns tell stories. Isn't there like a photo of Kevin Spacey at Buckingham Palace? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Rolf Harris did the Queen's painting. He's a pedophile. What do you guys think of this Kash Patel going on Joe's show? I've heard your opinion. He goes, Epstein killed himself. He goes, Epstein killed himself. And then you have Dan Bongino next to him on other interviews. Such bullshit coming in in his sportswear and telling us what to say.

52:10First of all, number one. Ackleisure. I want to make this clear because this is how a cult fucking projecting yourself magic works. First, you reframe the argument wrong. I don't care if Epstein killed. We're not looking for justice for Epstein. Right, right. Okay? So first, they keep it on that to trick you. Right? Now we're not even talking about why are all the people that went there still in power? Exactly. Hey, Trump's in now. Right. Hey, I remember QAnon. Where's all the arrests? Where's all the whatevers? Then I'll watch UFO shit and they go, oh, yeah, they actually executed these people on the moon.

52:45And then you go like the discrepancy with Pan Bondi saying there's thousands of pages, the greatest evidence. Yeah. Saying this. And it's like, whoa, I forgot about that. What's going on here? Yeah, there's a clear discrepancy there. And then it's like, it's just, if you zoom out, it's so obvious that this was this compromise gathering technique in order to blackmail operation, in order to control things at the highest level. It makes sense. It makes sense. Who are they blackmailing? That's what we want to know. I don't care about the list. His client list is like, it's Israel, but whatever. I wonder, I kind of wonder if like the Elon Trump thing, I don't know.

53:22I believe Elon more than Trump because Elon's black guy and his, now I watch people say this. I can't believe how stupid this is. oh he must have been on ketamine and he rage tweeted is that what ketamine does the horse the horse tranquilizer no you you have to believe that elon believes that oh yeah was on the epstein list for sure it was interesting files and trump is we know that already yeah yeah elon gave us no new information he gave he threw out a shot but he didn't reveal anything trump isn't it everyone who's in charge is in that file but that's the thing doesn't mean they did it exactly because you know epstein was like such a powerhouse in the financial sector that you know it's going to just be a given that people will interact with him in that world without ever touching the sides of what he was doing in the background you know what i mean like tuesdays with stories mark norman joe list show they probably won't appreciate me promoting it because they're gonna it'll be bad but lewis black was on and blew the whole thing wide open i've tweeted it i repeated all the time lewis black went to epstein's mansion in new york with bobby slayton my buddy from doing the nasty show.

54:26I know that Bobby and Louis Black are not doing anything. He was an influential New York billionaire in the biggest house in New York. That's crazy rich. Okay? So, yeah, alright. I've done all kinds of people from this. Louis Black's story is so interesting. He walks in the door. There's a marker board where they go in. It looks like football plays or something. And Epstein goes, yeah, the defense minister of Israel was just here. We were just going over defensive ideas. And Louis Black says in the video look it's on my twitter look it up he goes he got so creeped out he goes first of all where the fuck was that guy here right why would he talk to you about it why are you telling me that right right right wasn't it documented that ehud barack and epstein oh yeah they were and bill richards yeah yeah yeah bill richards are new new mexico governor oh you talked to the new zealand woman i did yeah one of the victims right yeah juliette byron's i think her second name is and what did she what did she have to say well she she she approached she got brought in as a as a young model right you know she was trying to start off her modeling career and she got uh introduced to them and you know flown out to the island and from there it was kind of like you can't go anywhere and you're now a prisoner so she was very quickly brought into that not as a child but as a young uh young model right and on the wall there was a big artwork of a woman being raped by a walrus oh wow yeah i'll share it with you if you want to um share it Thank you.

55:47And the scary thing is that it's not really a painting. It looks more like a photograph. And the girl's lying on a glacier and she's got like ECG things here and she's being basically raped by an orus. And she, alongside some of the other women, think that they were actually harvesting their eggs. They were? You know, like Zorro Ranch. Yeah, well, the thing with Epstein was he was obsessed with eugenics and creating his own race. Like he would talk about his own DNA. Egg-shaped dick people. Yeah, yeah. Like that egg guy, you know. Right. So maybe, you know, maybe he was doing something along those lines with people like that.

56:20She certainly felt that way. OK, because if they were taking eggs, they've got underground laboratories, right? So then 1996, they cloned Dolly the sheep. They cloned a sheep. 1997, Bill Clinton banned use of federal funds for human cloning. Apparently in 2002, they cloned the first baby, Eve, in December. So right, I'm taken there in September. I think they've taken my eggs. they clone a baby in 2002 no one ever hears about anything again it's all on 60 Minutes or BBC one of those things they were all talking about when a human is going to be cloned suddenly it shut down someone like Epstein seems like he was very multifaceted there's an element to him where it was almost like your primary objective is compromise your primary objective is to do that but then he's using his money and he's like I'm going to create a race of my own people this dude is crazy I wonder if because this is really This is a full schizo right now.

57:12Oh, yeah. Let's do it. So Charles Manson was probably an MKUltra patient. Oh, yeah. I would say definitely. So definitely, right? You have this book, Tom O 'Neill Chaos, and you have Jolly West, who's running this thing, had probably an office at the Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic where Manson was always going. And then you have this kind of conversion of Manson from this kind of petty criminal to the sex god kind of cult leader or whatever. So there's tons of evidence there. Here's the trippiest thread of the Manson thing that connects with Epstein. That's so weird. So Manson would carry around a book called Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein.

57:49Did you read that at school? No, no. I did. Great book. So he would carry this around, but Manson was illiterate. And then he models his whole life off this book. His son he calls Michael Valentine or whatever, who's like one of the characters in the book. Right, right. Jubal, Roger Smith is his parole officer. Jubal is the protector in the book. He calls him Jubal. What? He tries to start a race war, which is what they're trying to do in the book or whatever. Right, the whole helter-skelter thing. Wait, exactly. Helter-skelter, yeah. Oh, my God. So, okay, but we'll just fucking listen for a second.

58:22So this is what's crazy. Donald Barr is the headmaster of Dalton. He gives Epstein his first job at Dalton School, which is in New York, this prep school or whatever. and his son is William Barr who's the attorney general under Bush 41 and under Trump who basically obfuscated fucking justice to get Epstein right you know out of trouble so Donald Barr writes a sci-fi novel called space relations okay and this is really it's about uh new to me this is new to me it's this is so nuts it's about I read it right it's so unreadable almost It's almost unreadable. And it's about this like human traveling to like an extraterrestrial planet and he is sold as a sex slave.

59:07Why is he going though? Do you remember why he's going? Why is he going again? Negotiate with the rulers of the galaxy. The rulers of the galaxy. To end slavery. Oh man. That's right. He just becomes a fuck pet. Yes. And then he becomes a fuck pet. But how weird is that? Yeah. Isn't that, is that not so strange? Exactly. Like the connections. Maybe some M.P. Ultra thing going on? Yeah, absolutely. I think so. Well, you just said about Stranger of Strange Land that I did not know. So that was his programming. Right. One of his personalities was probably illiterate, but MK Monarch, which they have admitted is real in 2024.

59:42I didn't know that. It's very clever. NSA archive. How is Monarch different than Ultra, though? Oh, well. What was the incentive? The people now that you're like, why is Kanye so crazy? That's why. It's all your favorite. hey why do Disney kids turn out how they do well Disney the fucking Rosicrucian that allowed the CIA to do stuff to him underneath Disneyland and that's real I don't know if you know about Rosicrucian well he was he was opus day their victims are talking he was an opus day like the like the early Freemason kind of like before you turn 18 they've all come together I would say you know the last thing I saw of Gary Wayne by the way I'm not religious at all also isn't it like club 33 or something and yeah it's weird yeah yeah club 33 yeah it's all there he was a free movies bavarian fairy tales that's weird right right hey disney sucks now hey it always sucks why are you pushing princess something something that got me was joe rogan bringing up that scene in pinocchio you know where it's like we kicked him to the little island and you know this classic scene it's freaky dude it's like literally epstein you got these like you know villains sitting around the table at the tavern and one of them like the big banker he's like i know how to make a real bit of money and he starts whispering to them and they're like take them to pleasure island and he's like yeah and he goes but they're just little boys and he goes well they don't come back as boys and they all start laughing about it and i takes him to pleasure island Ah, Pleasure Island.

1:01:10Pleasure Island? But the law, suppose they... No, no, there's no risk. They never come back as boys.

1:01:29Whoa. She's very symbolic of what we're now discussing. It really spoke to my subconscious and I want to be famous now. So you got a masculine feminine side of the brain, which as the Templars will tell you. Yeah, man. They tried to preserve the defined feminine Ashtar worship of the fucking pagans. Yeah. But, you know, Purple Lady, I saw when I did DMT the first time, but not like a woman, but you've heard of the Purple Lady. I believe that's my right brain feminine divine side. Those collective unconscious, that's the meat internet, dude. That's the original internet. All the tech freaks are going to make an artificial version of every...

1:02:02So if you see a, we're going to have brain Wi-Fi, that's how you know ESP exists. Oh, yeah. Because they're going to copy all the real things. They're not going to tell you about them, but they're going to copy them to get back to Atlantis times. And so all this, oh, could it be archaeological? Yeah. Oh, wait, could this be the Nephilim from the Bible? Yeah, it's all of that shit. Don't you get the joke? It's kind of like, you know. They compartmentalize the names into, like, different names. And you go, well, that's Bible shit. That's UFO. You don't know what anything is. Right, right, right, right.

1:02:31And that's why they're called Freemasons, even though they don't build nothing. They built their matrix. Tom DeLonge, when he was kind of doing the rounds. What happened to that? Early days of the UFO subject. One of the things that he brought up. And I don't know how true it is. I tried to find some validation of whether or not these statues really were outside SAIC headquarters, Science Applications International Corporation. Dude, I've been wondering about that ever since. Those pyramids, yeah. So you've got like, do you know about this? No. Yeah, these two statues. One's sitting there. It's cool, man.

1:02:59The ADHD in this room is real. I've got it as well. All of us. Yeah, everyone's trying to jump in. But no, outside this tech center in, do you remember where it was meant to be? Was it in San Francisco? I was in LA. LA? By where I lived and I wanted to go there. Right. So it was meant to be the old SAIC headquarters. And Tom DeLonge, when he was back in 2017 doing the rounds, he was like, oh, you guys, there's this place outside the SAIC headquarters where they've got these two statues where you've got this Egyptian pharaoh sitting on a temple seat holding a pyramid in his hand and it says the past.

1:03:34And then on the other side, you've got a kind of futuristic looking female goddess type pharaoh holding a pyramid and it says the future. I forgot. Past and the future. Do you know Epstein said that? Yeah, the new Atlantis, the new era, the golden dawn, right? Wait, you saw the clips from the Bannon Epstein document? He has 14 hours of footage interviewing Epstein? Yeah. No, I use it for comedy on Kyle Dunnigan's channel. I can't remember what we called it. We had a news show. It was really funny. And it was The Talk Down. Right. Hollywood celebrities tell you the news. It's called The Talk Down.

1:04:07I like that. So we did like the more you know parodies because my boy Jason Burmess, from Loose Change back in the day, who was right. Oh, yeah, Loose Change, yeah. He was right. I didn't think he was, but he was. Well, it's so funny. They're kind of admitting that at the highest levels. There's like a 9-11. Like people are like, we need to look into the 9-11 file. like Kash Patel and like Poulsey are saying that shit that would have been if you were to say this five years ago you'd be called you'd be laughed out of a room any room you're in well I mean you'd probably be debanked the thing is I feel like there's only so far they can go in investigations with 9-11 before they start blaming their greatest ally for it right so it's kind of like it takes a village you guys yeah oh of course our best friend aircraft carrier was involved don't forget Pakistan yeah you're talking about Osama right yeah so Seymour Hersh released probably what happened.

1:04:56And he's an impeccable journalist. Okay. I didn't hear of it. In 2011, it came out. And there was some, oh, I think Zero Dark Thirty and shit. Yeah. Which is nonsense. Yeah. It's a propaganda, propaganda. He was a guy that was, and I remember watching that guy Shrek from Delta Force talk about it on things. He goes, that guy with dialysis. He crossed the mountains and got away. Well, first of all, he had to get away because how could we go to Iraq if they killed the guy that did 9-11? How can we go to Iraq then? Get it? You ever see a Tony Clausen speech? How do we get to war in Iran? That's a real speech.

1:05:33I think it's interesting that, like, obviously you've got Rumsfeld talking about 2.3 trillion missing dollars from the Pentagon, and it cost about that much to do the Middle Eastern invasion. So it's like, is this a big money laundering operation? Is there a lot of cash flowing through this? Talk to Catherine Austin Fitz from HUD under George, I think H.W. Bush. There's like$23 trillion missing since 1997. Yeah. And I know Joseph P. Farrell, that smart motherfucker, he keeps track of financial crimes around the world. Yeah. And he put together all these weird missing amounts of money with fake bearer bond, but they're not.

1:06:05They're obvious like fakes. It doesn't make sense. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. This is the kind of stuff that gets you Epstein. Break away. That's for sure. The craziest thing about Epstein that I learned recently is that, did you know that Bill Gates' science advisor is the backup executor to Epstein's will? Doesn't shock me. Didn't know that. Didn't know that, but it doesn't shock me. How crazy is that? And he found out, and then he goes, I was shocked to find out that I was listed. Whoa. Where did he come from? Bill Gates where he's like, well, he's dead now. So, you know, like nothing more to say about that.

1:06:41Who's his family? Oh, yeah, that's right in that interview. Well, he's dead. Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else looking at this? Well, he's dead. So, you know, in general, you always have to be careful. That's a threat. I took it. Yeah, like shut the fuck up. A lot of people could be dead. That's how I took it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that guy, he's the grandson, of course, of one of Rockefeller's fixers. Right. What? Is that true? I thought he was a middle class kid and Steve Jobs was a hippie. I think he was the other nerd. His dad was military, I think, right? Oh, you don't say. I think so.

1:07:17Yeah. But then his grandfather was a fixer for the Rockefeller. Rockefeller. And that's where he learned to buy the press. Because as you know, Rockefeller, everybody hated that motherfucker because he was a piece of shit. And then they had the idea to do PR. So that's Bernard Bernard. Edward Bernard. PR, what do you think PR is? The blackest of magic. Okay? They have big pharmaed old occult shit. So the mind control part, okay? That's old, dude. That goes to Egypt, right? You got your pharaohs who were inbred like those L.A. vape dogs that are like, stop inbreeding them. Come on. Come on, stop doing that, right?

1:07:55A corrupt priest class. And I got some of this from Rudolf Steiner. Yeah, I know Rudolf Steiner. He's very boring, but he has gossip. I like Rudolf Steiner. that's very interesting he is because he tells you backstage like how i would talk shit about a comic he talks shit about a cultist that's the juiciest best part right right okay and uh i found out all kinds of shit from just his gossip the main shit is almost i don't know i disagree with you i think the main stuff's really interesting okay all of these things are the same thing kabbalah so did you study kabbalah i can't say it i wouldn't say i studied it familiar with it oh well it affects your life deeply because all these esoteric groups uh that fraternities you were you in a frat in college didn't have frats in the uk no that's a purely american phenomena that i've already got american pie yeah you've already got oxford shit yeah dude okay i didn't go to oxford but you have it that's where so but you know i know everybody got israel but guess what we're even worse and uk is the one that got that shit going back oh yeah well We've got old school esoteric belief systems.

1:09:00That's right. And that's why there's no justice about Jimmy. People are mad about the grooming gang. Now, I used to write for Sacha Baron Cohen on Who is America? Okay. The pranks we did. That's cool. Yeah, it was fucking a lot. I love that shit. Dude, I miss them guys. That was like a good, his group's like a band. They're not like a writer. So he does round tables like the great Cecil Rhodes. Yeah, Cecil Rhodes. Yeah. And so they picked me to write to stay on. They don't do that. Yeah, yeah. And I got on with them dudes immediately. Ant Hines and Dan Swine. I love them dudes. And I really like Sasha a lot too.

1:09:33But understand he's old money. He's Koh-A-N-E-N, which is like real old money. Went to Oxford. The reason I got along with them is because their sense of humor, they're like smart-ass, smart kids. Right, right, right. Yeah, his whole family is super smart. Yeah. Yeah, I'm Jersey Shore trash, but I can always get along. No, you're smart too. Gifted and talented. Well, I was in. I'm gifted and talented. Do you know about the city of London within the city of London? Of course. Yeah. Do you know about that? No. So like the original city of London isn't the city of London. Okay. The financial quarter, which is one square mile of London, is called the city of London.

1:10:09Wow. And that's got its own mayor. It's got its own police force. It's got its own laws. It's basically like the Vatican sitting in the middle of the city. There's some conspiracies about them running financial flows. There is. Who would have thought? So like there's a really good documentary called The Spider's Web, Britain's Second Empire. Like that will open your eyes to just how much financial corruption runs through London. Like the Swiss have got nothing on us, man. Like we really do run the financial sector of like high crime. You read Anglo-American World Power, you said. Yeah, I love it.

1:10:39Well, you mentioned Cecil Rhodes. Yeah. So that's why it's like this. That book. Well, let's get into this because maybe they dovetail because Carol Quigley wrote this book, the Anglo-American establishment. Talks about round table cultures, Cecil Rhodes and Lord Alfred Milner, whatever, and like them having, those secret societies led to the intelligence agencies that we have today. What is it based on? The Illuminati. Right. Old school Bavarian Illuminati. And like, yeah, yeah, Jesuits. He based his group on those. It's in the, what's that movie? It's pretty, they're pretty good. The first one, Kingsman.

1:11:12Oh, Kingsman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kingsman. Yeah, they ripped that stuff right into those shows. Like for real. I'm a writer, and I study this shit because I want to write jokes, and I want to fucking make movies. So I know sometimes they might be doing predictive programming, certainly, but understand, there's a dude like me that looks at this shit because you can find the best, because you've got to write something new that you haven't heard before. That's how I could tell if you're lying to me a lot of times because you're telling me a myth theme, as Diana Basoka calls it. I've seen this one, man.

1:11:41Weapons of Mass Destruction. I saw that 20 years ago. I could spot it now. Exactly. Yeah. It's not that I'm that quick. It's yellow cake all over again. Right. Same shit on that. I don't I'm maybe a heretic here in that I think Tucker maybe overreacted. Look, I think to which part. I think a surgical whatever surgical strike Trump did is not the same thing as nation building in Iraq like we did for as long as shot for shot. Right. Sure. But like. Wait, wait, that's three years before. Just stand with the implications of that. But let's not get into some meta layer. I'm just saying like on a basic geopolitical level.

1:12:20Fucking Matrix, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not sure that that was like a bad move and didn't set their program back for a while. Do you know this? There's eight levels of top secret above the president. And the reason for that is - I didn't know that. Yeah, well, most people don't, but - Well, I don't think you know that. Highest is nuclear. Why? Did I not wear the robes of a wise man? That's true. That's true. Am I not holding? The Baton Egypticus? Why would you think I don't know that? Well, I do know that, and you do, because you read that book. Carol Quigley was given cosmic-level clearance to go to the, as Douglas Murray says, have you been to the archives?

1:13:00He's been. He's been. He's definitely a spooky guy. Carol Quigley also is a professor at Georgetown who Bill Clinton said defined his worldview more than anybody else. Oh, yeah. So if you go through that thread, Anglo-American establishment to today, Do you think the city of London still has like the Vatican city of London? Do you think any of these groups, you know, Knights of Malta, you've done a lot of amazing work in Malta. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think any of these groups have disproportionate power today? Oh, yeah. Like, there you go. There you go. Yeah. Oh, I wonder. I would agree with Kurslaff.

1:13:38Like, I mean. Holy shit. Yeah. Like England. Oh, I wonder if they do. Yeah, I'm asking Jack. England is such an old country, man. I think we're just very good at being quiet with the amount of influence and power that we have. How many crab claws have you had, brother? I had this three claw podcast. Three claws down, and I haven't even had one. You didn't even bring me one. The worst tranquilizer. Okay. Do you think? Bring the crab claws out. I just want to bust them out. I want to be on your wavelength right now. I want to be on your bandwidth. You should have. Yeah. I got one more. I don't want it.

1:14:13You can have it. it um yeah how many white claws have you gone to this morning oh yeah white is called do you hear yourself do you think the secret societies are the most popular the most powerful people who ever lived i think undue influence oh i won sometimes you know what you know what it's it's easy to say because of the truth well no it's it's really easy to be hand wavy about this stuff and that it's much harder and this is my criticism of dark journalists to actually understand how any of this stuff works. I don't think I have a really great map of the world. I suspect that some of this stuff exists, but I think asking these questions is very of value.

1:14:50Sometimes you've got to ask an obvious question for people that don't know. Exactly. I watch the show and I appreciate you having me on, brother. And I hope you understand that. No, I do. I just think it's important that people understand if you think they wouldn't do that, they would do that. History tells you they would do that. Whatever you think they wouldn't do, not only would they do it, they did worse already. And I think that when it comes to somewhere like the UK, when it comes to somewhere like the UK, we're very good at being kind of diplomatically quiet in terms of influence. So a lot of people would say, oh, you know, the British Empire, it's done.

1:15:23That was a long time ago. It's like not so much actually, not with the financial element at play. So I'd say that we hold a lot of influence over the financial kind of like global market. A lot of bad money flows right into London. And then like, yeah, the city of London, this weird kind of like financial sector. Like I said, they've got their own mayor. They've also got the only unelected members who can go into parliament called the Remembrancer. This guy called the Remembrancer. Yeah, for real, right? For real. The Remembrancer. What is this? So he's an individual or she who works for the Corporation of the City of London.

1:15:54That is older than London. Okay, so that's like the OG. So that's kind of like you've got the financial sector, you've got the City of London financial sector. The beating heart of that is the Corporation of London. Very dystopian stuff, right? And so the remembrancer, what a title, right? Will go into parliament and sit and listen and then report back to the corporation. And they'll make a decision if they're actually going to pass that. That's the real government behind the government. So interesting. They're a human, they're a mentat from Dune is what you're telling me. Pretty much. Yeah. It's the same kind of a vibe.

1:16:25You know about Lake Havasu? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. I played that game. London Bridge is in Lake Havasu? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, these people all move up in there? Yeah, they moved London Bridge. They took London Bridge to America and built a lake. Lake Havasu is just like the old city of London and the Vatican. And Freemasons laid the first stones in Lake Havasu for that. Well, Lake Columbus is the controlling interest. And the reason they brought that bridge is because there's kids' walls up in it and it's a negatively charged... My God, I don't know about that. Oh, yes. Well, Nathan Reynolds, go check him out.

1:16:56See, I started... Here's what I do because I'm on a new show, okay? So I'm looking at the current events. What's your show? Jimmy Dore. I'm on it. I'm a psychic about Jimmy Dore. Oh, you're on Jimmy Dore. Okay. Okay. So I'm getting actual news that nobody's getting because all the channels that people think are news are literally propaganda for the one guy who's president at the time. So Fox is entirely for Trump. I know your boomer parents watch it. They can. Yeah. It's the program Trump. Of course. MSNBC was for Supreme Biden. Okay. hey, I want to see Morning Joe. It's all for one guy, and they're a bloodline with the British.

1:17:36I will say that from a British... Wait, wait, wait. Bury the lead, bloodline with the British. From a British perspective, our propaganda is a bit more nuanced and subtle than the Americans. Used to be. Well, I would argue it still is. And when you look at CNN and NBC, at least from my perspective, it's like, well, you can tell that they're drenched in bias this is just political talking stuck on a tarmac too yeah bro that's what i'm saying though it's like it feels like like the bbc for example they're fucking clever man like they'll drip it in very subtly you know in this lovely british accents you really feel like you're being informed but it's the exact same thing it's just a little bit more subtle do you see speaking of which you see this wall street journal article about the ufo stuff yeah man like again i feel like there's a mix of like some actual truth to what they're saying and also uh you know an incentive to try and kind of like disrupt what's going on in the uap conversation but i would i would argue that there is definitely a level of like you know bringing people in again it comes back to this campfire story thing like how many no offense but how many whistleblowers have got up and gone like yeah i was told this i was told this i was told that i was told this you didn't see shit you didn't know that you didn't see it so you've been told this by who by lou by chris by gary nolan by whoever it might be and it's like where's the seed i want to trace the seed back to the origin point and where where's the actual information because whenever you ask these guys they got told it by another gs15 or another high level yeah well and i'm friends with his cousin they fucking hate each other john one of the fifth yeah john one of the fifth yeah i know right he's a great classic character he's great melon has the expert tech file yeah what what happened to academy of the stars where'd that go yeah exactly i was talking about this not that long ago like to the stars academy that's you know tom de long i feel got thrown under the bus.

1:19:20He was what they would call a useful idiot. No offense to the guy. Yeah, like, you know, he was all excited. And I'll quickly, do you know how he initially started this? Like Tom DeLonge? He spent his personal fortune. No, he performed at a lot of holiday party or something. Yeah, so he's always been involved in the UFO subject because he's got the money and the connections. He actually knew a dude at Lockheed Martin who was like, there's like a family and friends meetup happening. Would you be interested in introducing the bosses onto the stage? And he was like, I want 10 minutes with your boss afterwards.

1:19:48But yeah, and that's when he had right. So literally, right. So he walks into Lockheed Martin and then he gets taken, you know, through the classified facilities to a meeting room where he sits down with the big bosses, skunk works, all this stuff. And he pitches to the Stars Academy. And he was saying on the radio, you know, you have to go and be of service. I wanted to be of service. So he basically went in there and was like, here's a template. I am your medium into the public, into the youth of today. Use me however you like. And one thing I'll say real quick is that despite the controversy, and I wouldn't say I trust this guy 100%, but Stephen Greer was kicking down doors at that point.

1:20:23He had like, you know, 6 million, 7 million views on Netflix. He's talking about unacknowledged special access programs, illegal programs, real repercussions that need to happen. And this is an uncontrollable asset who's out there making noise. Suddenly, Tom DeLonge turns up to the heartland of classified security, right? Lockheed Martin. And he's like, guys, use me. Here's what I want to do. Tell me what you want to do. Suddenly, Tudor Star. Suddenly, Lou Elizondo. Suddenly, Chris Mellon. Suddenly, the New York Times. And it just feels like they were like, this is the opportunity we needed. There's a disruptive guy out there who's giving this narrative about illegal programs.

1:20:56It's going to cause trouble for us. suddenly here's a really famous guy who's got a link straight to the youth of today and he's saying we can fucking model it ourselves. I think there's an email I think between him and Podesta where he's like, he's like, yeah, between DeLong. They were tight. This came out on WikiLeaks and DeLong is like, I want to give the truth, but I also want, I don't want people to, I want the government to be portrayed as cool. So these emails that came out, yeah, dude, dude. So on WikiLeaks, what's interesting is they are gone. I've tried to find these WikiLeaks emails where he's talking about Edgar Mitchell and something.

1:21:32People have scraped it. But they're 404 on the website. Every single one about Tom DeLonge interfacing with Podesta and people like that. But back in the day, bro, he was literally saying to Podesta on emails, like, I really want to try and get the youth of today to be more pro-military, more pro-government. And this is how we're going to do it. And so the Secret Machines books and the TV series was all about trying to build confidence back into the institution. And yet, and yet, and yet I look at the people he was talking to, Neil McCaslin, Steve Justice, where I'm like, if this is - Where'd Steve Justice go?

1:22:01Where'd Steve Justice go? You know what I mean? Totally. And I share your frustration around the campfire story stuff, but I'm like, these guys are high level dudes. And like, I don't think - Like I said, campfire stories with a TSSEI clearance attack. Yeah, totally. Totally. And I don't think they would be spending this much time with the front man of Blink-182 if there wasn't something. But that's what I'm saying. Where's the seed? I want to know where that kernel of actual data exists. They're then echoing back into these circles of people who are like, well, I got told by Lou and Lou told me this.

1:22:34It's like, right, so who told him and where does he find it? Go for it. So, MK Monarch, the thing that they have admitted was real. Now try to stay on it. Yeah, yeah. um most of your favorite star i think really the only actor didn't work with the cia is probably steven seagal the only guy who literally didn't work with the cia is steven seagal but in the program which is the continuation of mk ultra tom de long's family are they not air force yeah he's got intelligence backgrounds and actually willie schreiber yeah no another member of the band as well um actually helped this i'm not going to remember it but i found this out and was like what so then another member of blink 182 had family members in the in the intelligence community and And he actually helped with something in the military, in the IC.

1:23:16It was like software or programming or something he helped with. So there's two IC-mil connections in Blink-182. Wow. Tom DeLonge and his other guy. I think the bassist, but I can't remember. It's like all the rock stars of the 60s. Yeah, dude, it is weird. It's like all of them. Yeah, in the 60s. Yeah. Your brain. Monarch. But it's just, I don't know. Like, you know, did Tom DeLonge have a natural interest, natural money? I think he did. And then he got brought in and got fucked around. Did you hear your story? you know that's what it feels by you well i hear i hear stories yeah exactly but i think that is not programmed into him because he's from an early age from one of them right right i want to be of service yeah for sure yeah but then i hear i hear stories of you know people like neil mccaslin who ran i think the afrl air force research laboratory at right pat and stuff like serious dudes taking peter lavenda's work so peter lavenda co-wrote you know this book with going back to the occult and like you know yeah it goes back to the occult and the grimoire and all sorts of things like very seriously and i don't know what to think of it because i like i'm like like even my own relationship with the sort of more esoteric elements of this stuff is like i find it fascinating but it's it's definitely to the extent it's entangled with reality it's very it's inherently like sort of covert and occult means hidden there's definitely there's definitely a gnostic theme running through a lot of these guys like yeah what they believe in and this idea of the archons and even tom de long on like 2016 i got breakfast with tom de long and he told me that he thought these were like archons yeah yeah and there's like you know in gnostic tradition you have a demiurge yeah that's a lower god that controls the material world puppeteer of our reality and then the gods of that reality the archons who kind of like recycle us back into the soup reincarnation yeah have you ever thought of scaling that down and applying the archon title to your human leaders right no call themselves that because they think it's their divine right to do that yeah i would say it's it's a very similar type of a thing and then like you know you look at tom de long was like so excitedly talking in 2016 on the radio about this when someone asked about the archons it was like yeah dude like we've been developing weapon systems because we know they're coming back and we've been waiting for them and you know this is why they can't tell you about the ufo subject and it's like right i have a massive issue with this like i have an issue with people who say like we've been doing this in secret that's why we couldn't tell you okay so these things are transdimensional they apparently interface of consciousness can apparently bend space-time fabric but we can keep a secret from them yeah come on bro that's a great point source right right right right there's no way and they wouldn't know tom de long sitting there on like you know the radio going like no trust me dude like we're hiding it because of the aliens like the fuck they've heard it like you know what i mean so like that doesn't wash with me yeah i think that you know someone like tom de long he got brought in and he was so excited and it's kind of like you know on a lower level similar to me when i was first meeting people and you know like hanging out with cia officers and you think this is so cool Like these guys are actually giving me time, but they're so good at becoming your friend.

1:26:06Like, you know, that's what I was saying before. They're good at doing that because they see you as someone that, you know, can send a message through. Showbiz is called. Yeah, like not every time, but I think there's a lot of that in the UFO community because it's like perfect ground zero for them to interface with the public and create a bit of a rumor or, you know, a bit of a campfire story. What do you think the point is? Because a part of me is like. Confusion. A confusion. Absolute confusion as to what is actually going on. Because like, again, there is definitely something going on. There's something going on.

1:26:31Something really, really important and probably non-human. Do you have like a best guess at that? Or do you think that maybe the PSYOP above all else is that they don't know? Yeah, that could be it. And so you just create a clue. Because I suspect that no one knows. Well, that's kind of where I lean. It's like they've got maybe slightly higher fidelity information and ideas, but they don't really know what it is and they don't know how to address it. And it's like, you know, how does the premier national security apparatus go? We have no idea. They can penetrate every system. They can destroy us.

1:27:03They can take you out of your room at night. Like, you know, all that kind of stuff. Like, yeah, I think that there's an element of that. But then there's also like, you know, like I said, the classified exotic research and, you know, using the alien as a smokescreen for that. So there's so many incentives to keep us in the dark and also spread all these different stories, which we've seen since like the 1940s when they started these UFO conferences and these spooks and spies would come in and they give people ideas. but look at what we're dealing with now a spaghetti junction of narratives with a thousand people saying a thousand things and they're all true this is the narrative this is the narrative it's like no one actually knows that feels purposeful yeah feels like it's generating noise because again there is something to look at yeah and it's maybe the implications are so deep that they can't risk people knowing about it so it's better to believe in gray aliens coming from alpha centauri or whatever you know but again like you said i think that there's a likelihood that they don't really know they don't really know and that scares the shit out of them yeah there's clearly their patterns there's clearly a old gods or something like you know like yeah that's my thing like you know did you read that book of uh the collins elite oh man i've read a few things on the collins elite at the final events by nick nick redford yeah nick redford now yeah the whoever he was talking to was feeding him horseshit right but the book's still very interesting radical ideologues and yes because i watched jason joy i was calling jazz jabroni but his name's jason George Johnny, because he, and again, I don't need to agree with all your points.

1:28:25Everybody's got a little piece. I just want your piece. Yeah, yeah. Okay? And he points, he goes, this Collins elite that are fundamentalist Christians? Yeah. George W. Bush years. Okay? So we call him Powell's in on that. There'd be a lot of these people in on that, and they're fundamentalist Christians. Then you read about what they did. Well, first we met aliens, and then we're like, can we use this to assassinate people? Well, are you guys Christians? I thought you were Christians. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah, Christians do that. No, they don't. No, they don't. So now I'm being fetished.

1:28:57By the way, Collins, just so you know, is one of the old Barnabas Collins from the, what do they call it, the Dark Shadows? Johnny Depp played him in the remake. Oh, I don't know, man. Yeah, it was a 70s thing from England. Barnabas Collins, very popular. Dark Shadows, Johnny Depp later played him in the Tim Burton remake movie. Okay. Okay? But that name Collins, that's one of the 13 families. Right, big, powerful name. First warlocks in America is their claim to fame. I wonder if that's the same Collins elite. Maybe. Hey, I notice a lot of occultists all think that they're Christian, and they say it like they are.

1:29:31Like your J.R.R. Tolkien's, who, by the way, was a Rosicrucian, just like Disney. He was, yeah. He was a Rosicrucian. Yeah. And his Catholic priest's son was a vicious pedophile. Didn't Tolkien eventually convert to Christianity fully because of C.S. Lewis? or am I making that up? Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe it was the opposite. Maybe C.S. Lewis eventually. I know he had ties into these esoteric communities though. What's up guys? One of today's sponsors is us, American Alchemy. We just launched what I think is maybe the coolest merch line in the world. When you're wearing it, it's not like you're shilling me or the channel.

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1:31:34Okay, Mormonism, Lord of the Rings, a bunch of stories. You hear the themes over and over. Yeah, same kind of story. Campfire stories. Yeah, yeah. The theme is Atlantis over and over. Yeah. And thank you, dog journalist. Metaphorical overlay. I got that word from him. I didn't make that up. It's a metaphorical overlay. Once you realize that principle of a metaphorical overlay, then you go, I've heard this story before. Like I'm saying with the tall whites. Oh, this sounds like some racists came to an island. And we're like a cargo cult that tries to make the same planes out of wood. But I got news for you.

1:32:04I think they have all those metamaterials now. the helium 3 and the fuck and the bob lazar muscovium 113 because i text you about it they made that in a particle collider in russia what do you that's what cern is how much metamaterial could i get out of the biggest one or the 30 000 ones we have you know you know something wild about cern right they're not opening portals they're making there was well you know what's interesting about that because i mean like obviously like everyone's making theories about cern and you know what's going on there but there was that woman who astrid stuckelberger yeah man and she's got a hell of a resume she has a really impressive she's kind of like a public health policy expert but sits on all these interesting words and she's in an interview and she goes physicists from cern are telling me that beings are coming out of interdimensional portals at cern there are lots of physicians i know some they're doing very strange experimentation there are beings from portals coming in and out.

1:33:01It's physicists from the CERN who told me this. They've testified to beings coming in and out of portals. Yes. So this is what's crazy. Right. I reached out to her one summer, like last summer, maybe two summers ago. Right. Because I was fascinated. That interview came out and I was like, I need to, because I do think high energy physics, whether it's Thomas Townsend Brown, Tesla, nuclear stuff, you get weird stuff showing up. You can yield anomalies. Yeah, for sure. That's where you're testing the boundaries of our reality. And the whole Feynman, there's room at the bottom. That's how you get into that.

1:33:38And so I was like, okay, this is really interesting. So I reach out to her, no response. Then I throw that clip in a long video I did with this guy, Riz Virk, who does simulation theory stuff. She got back to you. And she emails me and she was like, we must talk now or whatever. And it was, yeah. And it was responding to my initial inquiry, clearly because she had read it. Right, right. Right. And I didn't know who you were. I was like, whatever. I don't know who this guy is. Yeah. But clearly she did. And I was like, OK, let's talk this week. And then just ghosted, like never, never heard from her.

1:34:08So so strange. Well, that's the thing. I only she was on like some obscure interview on Bitchute or something like that. You know, she wasn't on YouTube or anything like that. And I think because she was also talking about COVID and it was during that time where you just couldn't say shit. But I found it very interesting what she was saying. And I don't know, man, like, you know, so many theories about what they're doing over there. And it's a difficult one, but high energy physics, like you said, I mean, I've heard some things from people who, you know, work in the quantum computational industries and kind of like some of the high level simulations they're running on like black holes and dark matter and weird shit is going on localized to the computer.

1:34:41And there's a famous, there's a famous crash in the U.S. at South Haven, right next to Brookhaven National Lab. That's where our largest particle accelerator is. So that's our CERN equivalent in Long Island. Right. And you have the police chiefs there and a bunch of local residents say that it was collected by Brookhaven. The crash itself. And Brookhaven's Montauk, right? That's Montauk? I think so. It's near Long Island. It's kind of like in that vein. Like there's weird shit going down at Brookhaven Labs. They had a gate program. Yeah, they had something going on. They're getting talented. So do you guys think the Montauk experiments were real?

1:35:15Because you've had on Eric Hecker. Yeah. My boy, Eric Hecker. Yeah, Eric Hecker. Yeah, I know you guys were chatting in a space a lot of long ago. You know, we bombed Iraq that day. they had a 5.2 earthquake. Hey, you know Syria where we just installed Al-Qaeda? Remember, we went to war. Your brain makes too many connections. That's what the government tells me. Yeah.

1:35:38Think about what you just said to me. A little context for the audience real quick. Eric Hecker, who's Eric Hecker? Eric Hecker, he was a plumber, quite a high-level plumber. He went out to a lot of different interesting clients, but he ended up getting a contract via Raytheon to go out to Antarctica and do work out there. Ice Cube. Yeah, Ice Cube neutrino detector and things like this. And because of his role, people kind of shrug it off because you're just a mechanic, just a plumber. But because of that role, you get access to so many different areas of the sites and the facilities to do basic work and upkeep.

1:36:08And he said that he had noticed that energy was being transferred from one area to another area where it wasn't supposed to be going. A huge amount of energy was being sent off to these places when he was trying to de-energize the cables. and things like that and he was like you know where's all this going and they're like don't even worry about it and then he i can't remember the specifics of how he's kind of come to this conclusion but he's pretty sure that the ice cube neutrino detector which is like embedded into the ice i mean it's absolutely insane this thing with all these like doms that are going deep down into the ice it's essentially like you know this three-dimensional uh technological construct uh he thinks that there is well he's found documentation to be fair to him like documents that insinuate it's a two-way device that the energy can be used to actually emit instead of just receive.

1:36:53So it's not just a receiver of neutrinos. And? It's an earthquake gun. And it's an earthquake gun. Christchurch, New Zealand. I don't know how true that is because I haven't really seen satisfactory evidence for it. Know about ELF waves? But that is the claim. That is what he's saying. And he's become quite well-known for talking about that. And I know you've connected to him pretty recently as well. Oh, yeah, I just did a thing with him. I talk to him all the time. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. He also talks about, because he says he was in a childhood. Yes, he was. Sorry. And then he talks about the Montauk experiment.

1:37:24I grew up on Long Island. I had a very peculiar history of nefarious activity with the Stargate program. Yeah. You know, I've forgotten the name. Inisfarda. Inisfarda. That was the name of the school that's now been turned. It was renamed and then destroyed. But I did find the place. It was real. And it was called Inisfarda when he was there. and it was like this weird school for gifted children and they would do the remote viewing stuff and apparently they would take him to the library and put this like uh fluid in their eyes that would make everything turn slightly yellow and he he said he'd remember like being really like pumped to go outside and like see if it was still there because everything would be in yellow and he didn't really know why they were doing that but it was at this time where he was being you know kind of prompted to remote view and you know there's no wrong answer just tell us what you think and he didn't really understand what was going on in this setting because it was very different to his school environment and like kurt said you know this is something that a lot of people seem to have been brought into especially in america it seems you guys have been running that because i don't know about the uk but i haven't heard many stories of like you know that kind of i know like it right right four or five people who if you met in any other context you'd be like this is a normal credible person say that they like brought into these they're brought into some program as a kid they don't remember a certain year of their life yeah it's really interesting yeah i think there's some truth to that brother like you know of course you would try and get some of the best and brightest and try and especially if you genuinely are interested in parapsychology but yeah tell the world that it's like right find these kids see if they can do it see if they can interface i mean nasa had the star kids that's even like mainstream knowledge now we know that nasa was getting these kids and trying to get them into remote viewing and yeah andre puharic had his institute in upstate new york and a lot of the astronauts did remote viewing i mean edgar mitchell's really known for that doing experiments when he was up on the moon And Gordon Cooper has a discussion about space kids and stuff.

1:39:13They're putting a blue Masonic flag on the moon. You know people think the moon landing's fake? Right, right. I don't think it is just based on they put a blue Mason Lodge flag on it. Yeah, Buzz Aldrin. Do you think the footage that we saw might have been faked, but not the actual mission itself? That's my belief. That's kind of where I am. I wonder, because some people say nukes aren't real because some of the footage is fake. I don't believe that. I don't know about that. Smart guys, smart thinking. Yeah, Mark Andreessen said that. Yeah, yeah. I've seen that floating around. He's an absolute liar.

1:39:43He's a stomach. I'm sorry to tell you, he's one of them. I watch him do it. Tell that shit to the Japanese, man. They might have a few things to say about that. What about the radiation? I got this from Joseph P. Farrell. This is a great little tidbit. I've never heard anybody say this before. He remembers from being a little nerd kid when, what's the German guy that ran the rocket program, the famous one? Wernher von Braun. Yeah, he has a blurb in Time magazine that his mom got. And he's reading it. Werner Von Braun, he tells the, while he's talking about the moon facts, he goes, well, the point in neutral gravity where he gives like double the amount for what they said it is.

1:40:22Right, right. And then who does? Von Braun. Von Braun. To what we're now given today. Not only that. So because he's such a turbo nerd, Joseph McFarland, he puts it together. That means it's more dense than they're saying. It's farther away. Right. Oh, right. There's a race to the moon. Remember how we got to get to the moon? Don't know why, but we got to get there before Russia? Well, Sputnik was beating us. That's what they said. That's what we're told, right? That's what we're told, for sure. How did we get all the good Nazis after the war, but Sputnik was beating us in space? How does that work?

1:40:54Oh, maybe the same way Pearl Harbor worked, where you cut off Japan's oil, so they have to attack you because you want them to. So you think Sputnik was a false flag? No, I think they wanted Sputnik to go ahead. so they go hey we gotta start working a lot harder guys it provided the impetus to do that right and what's what's weird as well is that there's a clip there's this really good clip i mean it's just like a real what the fuck moment with this nasa astronaut who's like oh i'd go back to the moon in a nanosecond the problem is we destroyed that technology and it's a very difficult process to build it back again i'd go to the moon in a nanosecond the problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore we used to but we uh destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again it's like what yeah and like how did we get through the van allen radiation bell at that time but now we can't yeah it's really an leo low earth orbit now it's like you know you know how starships what their plan is to get to the moon it's wild what is it so it's starship is you know elon's latest rocket 150 to 200 tons or whatever and this is a state of the art you know thing it's obviously much more tonnage than what we were dealing with back and it's meant to like carry you know huge payloads of starlings yeah but still this is what we have to do now right get to the moon and we did this before we had something like an iphone like you know the entire computational processing of nasa couldn't even fit in my pocket in your pocket so so so these things now go up to low earth orbit they burn nine tenths of the fuel tank just to get to lower the world right and then they they're orbiting around and then you have to get another one up that burns nine tenths it does butt-to-butt refueling with the first one so you get two tenths and that first noise the the second one then disposes of itself you have to do that 10 times right to get a full tank in low earth orbit and then that one that's fully refueled goes to the moon yeah i feel like that alone debunks and asks some serious questions it's insane unless you got another energy source yeah where the oil is not rare colonel prouty told us It's like diamonds, like De Beers.

1:42:58Stay on track. It's all on track. All on it. No, it's a little king of non sequiturs. Okay, look, look. I'm telling you this for real, dude. Part of the thing for people in the program, they have a list of you can read. You're a nonlinear thinker. The ability to synthesize seemingly unrelated events. Now, when I read that, that's how I write jokes. The reason I look at all goofy shit and I look at everything is so I can have jokes. A lot of my jokes that I made as jokes have come true. It's disturbing the fuck out of me. Diana Peselga needs to write American Cosmic 2 about Kurt and his brain. American Cosmic 2, Electric Boogaloo.

1:43:37He gets downloads. Electric Boogaloo. He has protocols. You all should be seeing that. I want to make this clear that I'm not smart. I fell for 9-11 back in the day. I was in New York. And they go, we got to go to Iraq. and people rightly pointed out that makes zero sense. And I said, shut up. I made a lot of faces Jesse made here on the show today. Be a patriot. Okay, come on. Well, I just, I think you have to, like, with 9-11 even, like, I now suspect more than ever that there's some fuckery there, but I don't know. And I think you have to stay in that not knowing zone to be an honest. Let me give you a good parable from the, do you remember when we starved half a million kids in Iraq with those sanctions and um what's her creepy name she was the bird bitch that she's getting interviewed 60 minutes uh albright madeline albright and uh and the lady goes and i'm watching you're probably the first female secretary of state oh that matters that matters if you're a lizard person doesn't it let me get through it okay i don't get a nervous rich kid feeling i'm just trying to get through it i know they're your friends just relax okay i don't blame for the ftx kid i'm not like the others so madeline albright sitting there being asked roasted i'm a comic she's being asked hey over half a million kids star from our sanctions yeah when we canceled iraq yeah and their kids starve because that's what we do the good country and was it worth it and mal albright she goes like a zombie she is she goes i think it was oh the first woman said that damn i think it was worth starving half of now luckily we have the numbers there's only a quarter million iraqi kids so but if she would do that and say i think it's worth it on a goddamn camera yeah you think that bitch wouldn't drink a baby in the woods with an outfit like this on are you dumb are you young right you haven't figured out the scam yet so i think of this like scams they don't know what it is they thought they knew they got nigerian prince scammed get it think of it as crypto scams be coffee zilla about it coffee zilla who i recommended to Rogan's show.

1:45:43I want to admit, he, Kermes Trezorgasmos, the writer of As the Carpets or the Drapes. I recommended him. The guy does killer work, right? Just apply that. Just do a metaphor. It's so easy. It's just pattern recognition. You can see the game that's being played on you. Hey, this reminds me of this. You just got to do that. All humans can do this shit. They're literally training you not to do it. Have you noticed? I believe there is some you know ambient evil in the neoliberal world order or whatever but and neocon which are kind of synonymous in many ways yeah but like when you meet these people i i don't know i'm not sure they're drinking baby blood in the woods the reason like i'm sure i know i know there is weird shit like the epstein shit of course you know the mpa ultra reason right manchurian candidate is based on that what if we could have a secret agent that don't know they're an agent Wouldn't that be great?

1:46:41And if they get captured, they honestly didn't know they did it. We achieved that. That's been achieved since ancient Egypt, but we achieved it. We big farm it with the Nazis we saved. As that's a matter of public record, not a conspiracy. We brought Nazis here with big fucking scars down their face to run NASA, which had a space kids camp. I wonder what went on there. And we had them run it to some reason beat the Soviets to the moon. Wait, NASA had a - Get to the moon and destroy the ship. NASA had a space kids camp? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Like I was saying, like you can look it up now.

1:47:13It's like kind of general knowledge. They had like space kids and like the star kids. I think it was called or something like that. I know about Puharich or whatever. But didn't NASA? Yeah. NASA had something like a gifted children's thing. But I think it's kind of like, you know, there's a there's a mainstream acknowledgement of that. And then the surface layer of that is people saying, yeah. And while we were there, they were teaching us remote viewing. That's kind of the thing that's not necessarily discussed publicly, but was part of that program. Yeah. Wow. Nonsense. Yeah. No, I don't remember doing anything like that.

1:47:39Maybe I didn't pass. and nothing happened, but I just don't remember. Well, Wernher von Braun apparently encouraged also Edgar Mitchell to go up and do this sort of parapsychology, like pick this card sort of. Ghostbusters beginning, remember that? No. Ghostbusters and Bill Burr. Dan, I've gotten dinner with Dan Aykroyd. He is obsessed with UFOs. Yeah, he's deep. Dan Aykroyd is probably a high-level Freemason, and that's why he's into S.A.S. Well, he says his family is like, you know, psychic research for 100 years. That dude knows a lot of stuff, I promise you. and stuff. He also smokes a ton of weed.

1:48:11Nice. So maybe that opens some portals. Weed on the MKUltra list of what drugs do to control you. Yeah. Marijuana breaks amnesiac barriers and interferes with the programming. So in Montauk. That's probably why I'm so dope. Look, don't worry. They fixed the problem now. So the weed, I'm sure. Oh, lame. But why was weed illegal so long? Well, it interfered with the mass mind control. Can I give you my crazy MKUltra theory? Go right ahead. Okay, so Jolly West, you know, one of the architects of MKUltra. Like, I feel like a lot of it was like, like he had this like Center for Violence Studies, violence reduction.

1:48:50I kind of think it was like local violence creation for mass pacification or violence reduction. So it's like things like Manson where you have this, you have a symbolic scapegoat where like Manson was synonymous with like the hippie movement right and you have him this is the way that you then go we got to stop this guy exactly look at this one look at this one thompson writes it down and it becomes legend right right that was oh they're those hippies so that's the guy closing the book on that little op right there and if you read the franklin scandal i didn't i was like nah he wasn't there then i'm like wait a minute his death's a bit suspicious isn't it hunter s um pretty sure he was shot his life is more shot with a suppressed pistol or something look into You know, all the crazy talk about adrenochrome.

1:49:36I know. Where did I hear that? I heard that in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I wanted to find some. He wrote about adrenochrome? He wrote about adrenochrome? Well, have you seen Fear and Loathing, the film? Uh-huh. So in that, there's a scene where they take adrenochrome. He's like, I got it from this Satanist. You can only get it from a pineal gland, like a real pineal gland. Oh. They'd give the whole spiel about adrenochrome. You thought it was a hallucinogenic. See, they made it look like it's like a LSD. A hallucinogenic or like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. but now when they talk about it have you noticed this they talk about like it's a narcotic like a cocaine right now here's a weird fact i don't know how it fits in maybe you heard some uh the stuff for an epi pen when you have allergies adrenaline right that's adrenaline and if you let that go bad it turns into adrenochrome oh but it looks like red powder so why can't you just use that if it's a drug i mean like i don't know i definitely think there's something to adrenalize blood like you know this whole idea that you know you get someone into a perpetual state of fear they've got all this adrenaline running through them like that blood's going to be rich in adrenaline whatever that really does to someone's mind if they just drink it i don't know but like you know they they definitely don't want us to think that there's anything like actionable or real what's an internet role dude like they try to somebody a disembodied thing feeding on your they say stuff to provoke you right to feed yeah on your negative emotions does that story sound familiar yeah again yeah it does seems like a fractal pattern so the drapes we're going to technologically create the universe.

1:50:58Absolutely, man. Absolutely. And I think it happens in different levels and layers of society in different ways. It does not suck because I found your show in there. I learned. Now, I don't... No, that's true. That stuff's dope. Like the fact that you can make connections that you can never make before we're going to make more progress and all this stuff. They fucked up putting it. But it also, sometimes I'm like, I just got to get this out of my brain. Like the people you sometimes get focused on and then sometimes time people attack you for no very overwhelming actually yeah about it 100 and the issue with that is that this is a very egotistical space like you know a lot of competition between people and like you know like influencers and content creators and whatever whatever and like that's something that i found very tiring is just like dealing with the egos in this field well it's so ironic right because it's like people say i've got a massive ego maybe i do but well ufos should like Like, UFOs should be, like, this sacred thing.

1:51:51And instead, you have all this, like, jockeying around, like, you know, I want to be the disclosure person or this or that. It's also dumb. Exactly. And it's a cottage industry. There's a lot of money to be made. Like, you know, people don't think there's any money in UFOs. Like, have you been to some of these conferences where they've got the whole place hired out? And it's like, there's money there, dude. There's money there. That's how they compromise your work. Yeah, yeah. Or anything. And then all the CIA people are at these conferences. Yeah, they are. Like, embedded within the crowd, talking to people.

1:52:15I was never offered money, okay? I don't want to say these things I'm saying, but they won't pay me. They'll not say them. Still wearing my paycheck. I haven't even thought to do that. Yeah. Not once. Rude. Rude. Because my cape isn't as nice as some people's capes. Yeah. And my on staff, yeah, maybe I got it party city before I came here. But don't show that I have that soteric knowledge. And yeah, maybe my cult leader sunglasses are, I got them at the 7-Eleven before I came here when I got my claws. That don't mean I don't know what I'm talking about? I offered way too much, more money than I can afford, to be honest, to have Kirkpatrick come on my show.

1:52:49And then my buddy doubled it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I saw that. It's at 100K. Yeah, dude. And I don't think he's going to come. No. But I think it's a revealed preference that he's being paid off. Kirkpatrick, Sean Kirkpatrick, you know who this guy is? Oh, okay, okay. He's not meta bad enough for you because you want only pro-disclosure people to be bad, but they're anti-disclosure people. I'll judge people. It's too simple. But it's also like, you know. I'm going to judge you good or bad. I judge if you lie with him. Well, he's a liar. I'll tell you that much. I definitely get frustrated with the pro-disclosure activists who are kind of like anyone who's coming out from the government who isn't Lou Elizondo is wrong about what they're saying.

1:53:26And it's like, yeah, OK. But again, I would say that someone like Lou, for example. But on the facts, Kirkpatrick got so much wrong in that article. Oh, no, absolutely. I'm not disparaging that. Sean is a shady character. Shady. But so is Lou. Sure, sure. So is the guy that drops fake UFO photos on stage and in congressional settings and they get debunked in 24 hours. He was wrong long before that. So much as, I know, bro, I've been following it for a long time. Okay, so Sajban Cohen, who, by the way, has a mutation in his eye that he can read tiny writing that no one can see. Are you sure? That's kind of cool.

1:53:57That's fucking awesome. What a wild little superpower to have. That dude don't improv. He writes the lines you say. Holy shit. Word for word. Yeah. When he would go in character. That's a genius. Dude, it was, he would go in character. so we did this billionaire character geo and he's talking to a yacht salesman about putting girls in a boat and now i want to tell you all these pranks it's all these rich kids that are funny kids and they burn family connections to do pranks okay this is 2017 i'm doing this hysterical shit dude we had these people we had dick cheney on he asked him to sign his waterboard and you know yeah that was hilarious he goes my waterboarding kit he goes oh he signed my waterboard my favorite was so funny.

1:54:35Oh, is this in the This Is America? Who is America? Who is America? Oh, my God. That was disturbing, bro. Yeah. So every time I go, no one is going to fall for this. This is too stupid. Right, right. Okay? I was wrong. I was not right one. Right. Dude, they did these fake charities I wrote about, like, skinny shaming the kids of Sudan and say, my body, my choice. Like, we had some rockers go, they'll say anything because the camera's on them. It was unbelievable. But the Gio one, that's what I want to talk to Weinstein because his story of meeting Epstein it sounded dude it sounded like what we did on the show like was Epstein doing a prank show and then I realized oh we were doing what an intel operation is and here's the thing I had some ones I think are funny and I thought they were so stupid who would fall for this but in Georgia Eran Marad the Israeli oh my god that blew my mind dude and when he was getting the guy to have like the little teddy bear guns for kids and stuff I think the way they built a mosque so in case they'd act oh it's so funny yeah he's like you build your your cubicle into a moss so they can't attack you the guy's wearing a turban and genie shoes holy shit and he's like has a flute and if rubber i mean come on and so what are you what do you do he goes i'm a muslim what are you eating hummus okay and then the office camouflage then i had the pork shield and the gay pork you're gay like to chase the shooter out yeah and they actually do it that's the thing that's crazy about it these people who are like senators they were actually on the show doing it doing it right so what do i do i move towards him with my ass like and say america america see what the thing is from what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah these people are fucking actors the guy from the federal reserve why do we have to borrow money that we print right what the yo who's running this sit with you worse than a ufo story what the fuck none of you know how anything works i feel like i shouldn't have better intel than the president of the united states i don't think it's because i'm a super spy i think because there's a big problem at the top that kind of goes yeah i'm both subject in terms of like do they even know what's going on like we barely they barely even know what's going on in the federal reserve they really know what's going on with like you know aliens and like any of this stuff like it makes it rife for counter intel because of that yeah exactly because it's it's this it's both real and it's ephemeral and so it's so co-operable you can it's a rorschach you can say it's that yeah sure yeah you can say it's like all these things Yeah, I know what Schrodinger is.

1:57:03Yeah, thank you. You know, he was a bad... Well, the physicist Schrodinger had a journal of the 12-year-old girls he would court. He said no one... What? Oh, dude. Schrodinger? Yeah. Oh. No. You look into... Oh, and how about the physicist? I bet you met him who invited Rogan to Epstein Island. These people, you'd be shocked. Wait, who invited Rogan to Epstein Island? Krauss. No, really. Lawrence Krauss. Really? We mean, no, really. He's got a record. Lawrence Krauss is on Epstein Island, but did he invite... He invited Joe Rogan? Yeah, I won't say no more than that. I mean, a lot of people got invited.

1:57:34A lot of people got invited. Stephen Hawking was out there as well. Oh, people go, I'm disappointed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If Stephen Hawking was there, he's the victim, stupid. He's in a wheelchair. Obviously, right? Yeah, yeah. No, but I think, again, it's like, you know, like something like that. Something like that, though. It could be the fact that, you know, like, hey, there's this individual called Jeffrey Epstein. He's very interested in science. He's funded a lot of stuff. Would you be willing to come to his private island? He'd love to, like, host you. and it's like cool i'll go do that then you leave you had no idea that it was a island of rapists and they're arbitraging stagnation in academia yeah we're like nothing vital or interesting is happening right so you pay them off you have prestige and you have even you you have probably of age girls and some of these guys are single i mean for god's sakes you have one paraplegic who can't talk or whatever and it's like they don't know you know and in certain cases they probably did but yeah others they didn't it's a mixed bag it's a mixed bag yeah i mean bobby slayton went to his house in europe i know bobby slayton didn't do something a rich guy and you're a comic yeah well let's hang out go to this thing you get creeped out and they're watching how do you respond to this eric weinstein explained it yeah got the american flag coffin table to see if he'd spill his drink on it yeah well the weinstein thing's crazy because he's like it was almost like epstein knew about his theory like right but like right as he produced it it was like epstein was tracking right right it was like oh you produced it boom come up yeah you know come a bit too fast yeah a bit too fast yeah a high frequency trader for like theories of everything and interesting science and shit yeah oh that's interesting we just said it is like because it's like yeah that's a good way to put it yeah it is it's rigged you could bet in the market but it's high frequency trading so you'll never get access to it before certain people right right and that's how we have this secrecy well i was kind of wondering so this is getting into really weird territory but it's like i wonder if he was a fly trap for like deeper like exotic propulsion science yeah i wonder about that i wonder about that he was obsessed with the yeah the casimir effect of course the casimir effect being like you know this sort of dark energy shown between two uh charge or non-charged but conductive plates that seem to attract you know that like geckos this is a real force yeah yeah he's like how could we harness this ostensibly for propulsion like i mean this is like not really like necessarily evidence but i think is interesting there was that woman i can't remember which one it was who was a victim who did like the murals and the paintings what maria farmer and like there's a mural called like the centiles which is like the elite spelled backwards and it's like this big mural of all the different people that were associated les wexner you can see all the characters glane maxwell is depicted as a dragon biting a child in half it's all very nasty stuff and then there's also a an antenna going up with an fbi flag on it with a flying saucer hanging off the top of it with epstein's face inside the window so it's like okay so like who knew and what was he actually trying to achieve in terms of his own scientific ideas and explorations and obviously like i said he's funding all of these different movements he knew everyone on the noble peace prize board yeah answer for you brother because uh i didn't like to follow the daniel on this here's what uh what's his name the wheelchair robot man he was uh those ruins that came out national geographic of possible atlantis and then they never talked about it again right and the pictures were on legacy oh what underwater or he went in a submarine to go look at that remember g lane yeah it's about the ocean tarama the tarama project like she had a whole thing going on there which is interesting not epstein do you know about tarama he's the hand like they're kind of like um overseas and like atlantic ocean trading network they were trying to establish with people like um who's the guy behind virgin uh branson and like he hosted them all on his island for the terramar project it's like basically these elites setting up some sort of like i don't even know how to say it like they kind of considered it their own country because when she was being interviewed um she was asked if she's a if she's a citizen of any other country and she said terramar it's like okay so what is she did she said it was her other citizenship and it's like this elite network of trading routes trading routes and shipping containers going around places like near antarctica off the grid and it was being held by all these fucking huge elites so there's something about the terramar project man like dude i forgot that went under the radar like yeah yeah dude oh i forgot that i didn't even know wow well i sometimes wonder if on that note this is crazy speculative but like you know william stevenson is maybe by faithful name he was um Churchill's super spy, but he helped start the CIA with Wild Bill Donovan, OSS.

2:02:10And he was really close with a lot of like U.S.-based scientists like Charles Steinmetz and Thomas Townsend Brown. They were close confidants. And he was doing a lot of stuff in and around the Caribbean, the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands. And he ended up spending the rest of his career in the Caribbean doing like shady trade stuff. And I wonder if there's a connection between like, I feel like he and Robert Maxwell, had to have known each other through MI6 circle or something. So I don't know. I mean, this is getting crazy. It is interesting. What Eric Hecker said, did Eric? Oh, I don't know if he said that, I think, but so the people he worked for.

2:02:44Yeah. So, you know, people go, Elon Musk, the richest man in the world. He's not the richest man in the world. What do you think? They would put that in Forbes? Right. Richest man disclosed publicly. They're telling that to you, you idiots. Publicly. Yeah, yeah. I go back and forth on that. I don't know. Are you guys sure? I mean, I'm not sure of anything. I'm not either. I'm not either. I'll bet a million. I agree that maybe it's like - That's the X bucks. I mean, you know. That's zero dollars. Old money people that have got holdings in other countries and vaults of treasure and things like that.

2:03:12People think, you know, poor people think people are rich and you're like, hey, you're a rich kid. And they have no concept of what it's like at certain levels to not understand. The rich kids don't think they're rich. I'm not rich. That guy is rich. You always have a new - Yeah, yeah. And I live in New York. I did comedy. So I could just go to all the things and get a perspective on what shit is. Right. And that's the compartmentalization. And that's how it's supposed to be. And all the. So are there hybrid kids? Yeah. When they say bloodlines, it sounds spooky. Why do we keep track of royalty at all still?

2:03:47Does anybody wonder that? Why do I give a shit about Meghan and Harry and the prince? British people I know don't even care about it. I guess they're a human flag. Most of the younger generation fucking hate the royals. Of course. All populist things got to be crushed. Right. So how do you crush them? With nonsense distractions. I mean, it's endless, dude. But we got woke after Occupy Wall Street. Remember that? Woke happened after that. And that is a way of controlling populism because, you know, what do we see these days? When there's a populist front, it's just immediately a right wing, far right racist movement.

2:04:22And that's the way that we disregard it and we get rid of it. And it's like a lot of these populist movements are just popping up because of the fact that it's a direct reaction to institutional power and control and censorship. And they turn it around and they switch it to make it seem like you don't want to be supporting these. You realize these are Nazis or racists. But in Ukraine, it's cool. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, exactly. I can't deal with the hypocrisy. Those are the good ones. Can't deal with that hypocrisy, right? Like, let's all salute Azov Battalion. But, you know, don't worry about these people who are just trying to create some freedom in their own country.

2:04:49Like, you know, it's crazy. United Fruit Company story. We should talk about the pyramids. We haven't even gotten to that. I know, I know. Oh, sorry. We got to talk for a second. All right. I got to piss anyway, so. All right. So do I, but I'll let you go for it. You go. Come back. Maybe come back. Maybe come back. We've had Alex Jones on the show, and Kurt, you are 10x crazier than Alex Jones. And I love it. I know why the cage bird sings now. I used to judge Alex Jones, but I know why he's like that. He's a cage bird? Here, wait. Hold the staff while I'm going. This is wonderful. I love him he's fantastic he's awesome it's kind of like if you brought me in and we were like right let's get some dude from the underpass on as well and bring him in like dressing his cape like let me tell you about the secrets of the Illuminati or if we were both on a mega dose of LSD that's what it feels like it feels like I'm rolling on something pretty strong right now no that was really good dude the pyramids though we should talk about that we should get into that What the fuck is going on?

2:05:52What's under the pyramids? What's happening? Because you're in touch with the research team that found this through synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography. These structures and they're reconstructing the structures. Is any of this real? Yeah. I mean, like my opinion on it is at this point, there's 100 % things underneath the Giza plateau and the pyramids. Whether or not we can completely correlate that to the very interesting 3D models that they've created. I think that's more of, you know, kind of an inspired artistic recreation. but at this point i would say it's undeniable that they are finding significant subterranean signatures below the geyser plateau and like there's been so many assumptions like even actually driving here on the way i got into a talk with my uber driver and i was like you heard about the pyramid scans he was like yeah yeah but like none of it's been like done before and none of it's been peer-reviewed right and i was like no that's not right so in 2022 they actually did a geyser the great pyramid of geyser scans and they found hidden chambers beneath the great pyramid which they then were peer reviewed and accepted and it's fully just like a validated thing now granted they weren't saying that there were huge structures underneath but that's because they were tuning the technology to specifically look at a localized area of the pyramid and that's when they found these hidden chambers at that time 2022 but they've also done experiments in italy at the grand sasso laboratory which is 1.4 kilometers inside a mountain and they mapped it out they mapped it out they managed to find the centrifuge and like the areas that they were focusing on and they've produced tomography scans showing the subterranean infrastructure of the grand sasso laboratory and they've also done the mosel dam in iraq and they use it for structural integrity for bridges professor filippo bionde who's the synthetic aperture radar expert on the team works for the italian government serious guy real fun like such a nice dude and i've had like the pleasure of because i put out that video which was only like eight minutes long just kind of saying hey guys like there's this team and they're doing this kind of blew up joe rogan played it So I got connected to the team quite quickly because they saw my viral video on it.

2:07:50And yeah, I was out in Malta with them a few days ago, actually, before the Carolina conference and for their first international conference where Filippo Bionde was presenting in a lot more detail the scans, the science behind it. Granted, some people struggle with the dialect. I think in the UK, it's a little easier for us because we're used to European dialects like Italian and French and German. And the Americans seem to struggle a bit more because they have got quite a thick accent and they are trying their best. But they're speaking English, which isn't their first language. But it's very interesting because what they're doing is they're not scanning two kilometers into the earth, five kilometers into the earth.

2:08:27Like, you know, they're not penetrating using radar in that way because that's impossible. That's what a lot of the mainstream critiques were doing, including some people that I just think, why did you not do your homework? like flint dibble like this archaeologist in this world right like he's just like they've never tested it it's never been done it's like wrong wrong wrong like they have if you actually just spent 10 minutes trying to find it instead of having a knee-jerk reaction because it's going against your model and that seems to be such the case with mainstream archaeology mainstream history and sciences if it goes against the model there's a knee-jerk reaction and they didn't actually do the homework so like yeah like so we have detected other underground things using sardoppler using sardopla tomography this is a thing that we can do it's well it's a thing but this is certainly a thing within a niche community and beyond a filipo beyond a seems to be the one that's really specialized in that so it's not like a general accepted mode it's like a novel sensor fusion but i even it's funny i even um watched sabina hausenfelder's like video on this she's a you know kind of a mainstream physicist yeah critical of string theory and stuff yeah like pretty conventional and like well-regarded and she was like you can you know map magma chambers and volcanoes using sardoppler tomography and then she like you said said that they took liberties obviously on the reconstruction you know this sort of energy grid that it seems to be mapped out that might be a bit of a stretch i don't know i think it's interesting that it doesn't sit in a vacuum because you've got historical reference to labyrinthian passageways beneath the plateau and entranceways into the halls of records.

2:09:59There are old, going all the way back to ancient Greece and further, of statements from people who went to Egypt and wrote about being taken into these corridors. And then early 1800s explorers who said the same kind of a thing. And then, like I was saying to you before, even Zahi Owas, before about 1993, was saying the same thing. So there is definitely a pattern to be connected in relation to subterranean infrastructure. And we find that across Egypt anyway, regardless of the plateau. Like there's a lot of different places that are subterranean and seem to be of a different stonework, of a different kind of method to what we then see of dynastic Egyptian temples.

2:10:36Same with the pyramids as well, actually, because one of the biggest signifiers of that is the fact that there's absolutely zero hieroglyphs in the pyramids. there's not one other than the cartouche that's written in red ochre that we attribute to khufu which by the way if you look into the images of that red ochre cartouche that's been drawn on and compare it to some other red ochre marks that were found inside the pyramid it's so obvious this is basically just drawn on with lipstick it's fresh it's got like flaking from the ochre on it but the older stuff it's like the ochre's gone it's just ionized onto the rock so it's like a shadow imprint of this very light red ochre this stuff is like literally like someone got lipstick and that's the only thing that we attribute to khufu for the great pyramid this is like this 1800s explorer i forgot his name like vos or vas something and he was hired by uh the british museum he was running out of funding he was running out of time lo and behold he suddenly finds the signatures of khufu written in very suspicious ochre so other than that there's no hieroglyphs in the pyramids i've been to like the valley of the kings and the valley of the queens where they've got these tombs and they've got these entranceways and it is literally you can't even find a square inch which isn't covered in motifs and symbols and gold calligraphy go into the pyramids and it's just blank there's literally nothing inside the pyramids other than precision engineering and the studies of acoustic signatures in the king's chamber which show that it was acoustically engineered yeah and then like you know do you think there was some sort of because you you've covered this in other contexts too in malta and other places do you think there's some sort of ancient uh acoustic based technology yeah uh this is one of the things that interest me the most and like we call it archaeoacoustics and there's also a term psychoacoustic architecture the idea that some of this architecture is deliberately designed to produce harmonics that then influence the brain and one second my brother let me just get off this tangent and then so they are really a really interesting uninterrupted a really interesting element of like the acoustics you just mentioned malta yes so i got back from malta recently there's a there's a temple in malta this subterranean temple yes carved directly out of the limestone they date it back to the neolithic stone age period but that's just because they can't date it back any further with conventional narratives right yeah and this place is precision tuned to 111 hertz like they've done enough studies in there to show that this place called the oracle room yeah resonates at 111 hertz it's this like incredible overlapping architecture like these kind of like multiple layers of uh of like concaves and and entrance ways and inside the uh maltese subterranean chamber of the hypergium they actually found elongated skulls one of them's on display in the valetta museum and the interesting thing about these skulls in particular unlike some of the ones in like peru where you've got evidence of head binding is that this skull actually lacks the sagittal suture which is the vertical crack that goes all the way down the head when the two peritial bones are pushed together when we go through the birth canal and fuses the skull together yeah so we have one going across here and then one going all the way down the skull that one doesn't have it doesn't have it so that's like an and it's a it's an adult skull it's not an infant skull so this thing was walking talking and acting around without a critical component of our um bone structure what do you make of that well i mean like there's one in the letter but the story goes and it's even written in the museum and you hear from the locals that they found fucking hundreds of these skulls hundreds of these skulls then the guy who finds it mysteriously dies someone from like some smithsonian institute takes over all those skulls vanish away what what does that person look like in their time exactly like you know what we don't know like you know there's there's recreations of it that kind of look like an alien gray like you know it's like they don't really know how it looked but it's it's elongated enough to be significantly different to a human being and then like the maltese legends in that area are that there were giants once on these islands and that they helped build these temples because what's crazy about malta other than the fact that it's the it's got the largest concentration of megalithic stone building sites in the world like they're like so many there but when the bronze age settlers from italy and sicily went over to malta for the first time they were already there no people just temples everywhere and so we don't know who were the original builders of these temples but it goes back to your question about acoustics like there's so much acoustic knowledge that seems to be incorporated into megalithic neolithic stone age stone building cultures and that is not something that you can just arrive at naturally we're not talking about like the creation of a flute we're talking about multi-ton geometric alignment not just with solstice and equinox and all that incredible stuff but also acoustically resonant in a way that when chanting or any sort of like mantra is performed in these sites seems to excite the brain in certain ways bringing it into alpha state bringing it into meditative states is that true oh absolutely absolutely and how how do we how have we tested so we've tested like things like stonehenge and again the hypergeum for the acoustic wavelength that's propagated naturally through it when we chant when we hum when we drum and 111 hertz is what they find in the hypergeum there's like quite a few studies actually done on this where they've concluded and then what they're doing like and then so like you look at binaural tones and the monroe institute of applied sciences and the stuff that we're at a fledgling level this is what's so impressive is that we seem we seem to be at a very um fledgling level of understanding the acoustic effects on the brain and these people seem to have been fucking masters of it like we'll like play like an instrument now and then what we'll do some like eeg scan of the brain or something while we're doing that in this hypogeum yeah i mean like structure and they've done a series of acoustic tests not only just to test the bandwidth of it which comes out 111 hertz but then like actually module like scanning the brains and seeing how people react inside these kind of a chamber but also like you know you put some headphones on and listen to your favorite music you can laugh you can cry you can want to work out want to fight someone like it changes your emotions so we know that acoustics has a profound impact on our perception our emotions and uh yeah the fact that some of these places seem to have been tuned to uh hertz ranges that excite the brain and change the brainwave state into theta and alpha i would say that there is an ancient science of like conscious induction like consciousnessly acoustically induced sorry conscious expansion and then you see these elongated heads you start wondering you know elongated heads you see astronomical alignment with a lot of this megalithic architecture that seems just very odd if not intentional like it probably was intentional once you get a pattern around the world of different sites that have the same kind of a tuning like new grange and island malta the pyramids of Giza, like all of them have, I mean, the pyramids are an incredible example.

2:17:12It's a perfect scale. I can't actually remember what the scale is, but a lot of these places, like there'll be an error of margin of like the actual kind of Hertz range. The pyramids are perfectly scaled as you kind of rise up through the grand gallery into the King's chamber. The acoustic, the acoustics that have been picked up are like the perfect number. It's like no margin of error. So it's like this incredibly tuned building so fascinating and it's funny when when you hear randall carlson or graham hancock or you know i was hanging out with him i love how cool is he he's the best such a cool dude he's like hagrid or something yeah he is a wizard he's like our personal alternative history hagrid he's awesome and like he'll he'll say stuff you know about like possible you know ancient acoustic technology and you laugh it off and then you realize that there you've talked about this there's a field called cymatics yeah where you put sand on vibrational plates you know that there's a real effect there we know that electromagnetic fields affect the body via you know cellular communication occurs via you know voltage gated ion channels which get affected by local emfs so i was doing an interview of a guy called david elkinton recently who's like a he would call himself a recovering academic because he came from that world and is now seeing things in a different set of eyes he's really interested in the acoustics of the ancients and i'm gonna have some images of this in my podcast because he actually um did some experiments alongside some other scientists in the King's Chamber where they stretched a membrane over the sarcophagus of the King's Chamber like a cladney plate, like a cymatic plate.

2:18:38And they put Egyptian sand on the plate and they sent vibrational frequencies that match the frequency of the King's Chamber through it. And it turned into the Eye of Horus. Whoa. Yeah. And I've seen photos of it where it literally is pretty much on point with the Eye of Horus, which would suggest what? That the King's Chamber was tuned to an acoustic that the cymatic of which is a representation of part of their own language well you see what does that say the level of sophistication well beyond i mean you see like you know go to chichen itza and you like will clap and hear this bizarre noise or like you know during the equinox you know you get a snake running down the steps and it's like we could barely do that stuff and what did tesla say about frequency and vibration that this is the key totally the key to the universe to understanding it and i think that there's a real truth to that and whatever these people in the prehistoric time were doing they seem to have a very advanced knowledge of how to attain transcendental states through acoustics and like you said with the cymatics and the geometry it is fascinating that when you vibrate these sands on these plates and you get these geometries that are essentially the visual signature of the sound you're hearing you will then find them in pretty much every religion monotheistic or otherwise represented in the geometry of the cathedrals in the paintings, in the motifs.

2:19:53Once you understand and look at and recognize cymatic geometry and what it is, you go into these places with new eyes, man. You're staring around and you're just like, well, there we go. There's a clear pattern that is a harmonic signature and it's written on the wall. And so it would seem, and also what's one of the most prominent things inside of churches, it's not actually the crucifix, it's the pipe organ. The pipe organ is the most prominent thing. I think that these places were deliberately designed and like the Gothic cathedrals are a fantastic example of potentially reaching an apex point with this.

2:20:24You know, this lineage of acoustic knowledge that seems to stretch all the way back into prehistory. Yeah, well, even the Freemasons would say, like, the brothers of the serpent from Egypt, or there's some, like, connection there. They had their hand in building the Gothic temples. Building the Gothic temples, yeah. And these things are not just geometrically incredible when you look at them, but they are also acoustically profound and, like, you know, meant to be these spaces for induction into the mysteries via sound. Speaking of acoustics, you've talked to Stuart Hameroff. Yeah. Physiologist who's also fascinating guy, worked with Roger Penrose, Nobel Prize winning physicist who dares to broach the question in physics.

2:20:58How do we see kind of macroscopic reality when it's sort of supposed to be quantum and probabilistic? And I think they present a very bold theory that might be right. I don't know. But it deals with this sort of I think maybe the most underrated part of it is that there could be some geometric component because there are pyramidal structures in the tubulin and the microtubule. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That those maintain coherence. Yeah. As above, so below. Right. I wonder maybe if like you're in one of these sort of mega structure. Yeah. Does that somehow affect does it does it if if these things are maintaining coherence for a certain amount of time while space time superposition is building up to the one graviton limit?

2:21:39Does that increase the amount of time so that you're staying in a coherent state and then your perception presumably would be very altered? I think that might play a role. I think that might play a role. And like, you know, this is, again, it's such an interesting thing when you look at like the bleeding edge of mainstream physics and quantum theory. And they're only just getting to a point that seems to have been represented in the ancient past. Now, I'm not going to say that they were quantum physicists, but they might have got it from intuitive processes or maybe older knowledge. But it's clearly represented in things like the pyramids and the hypergeum, this kind of acoustic technology.

2:22:14And then, like you say, when we get into what that really does on the quantum level, on the level of microtubules and neurons, it changes us. It changes our perception. And maybe, like you say, this is an elongation of the process, kind of like drawing the process out even longer through sitting in these acoustic resonance complexes. But the pyramids are a weird one because there is a lot of different ideas and theories about what they could have been. And multiple make sense. So it's almost like we're looking at a multivariate technology. It could be quite a few different things. yeah the really interesting guy that i bumped into in malta and i'm gonna actually go out and meet him in cairo uh when i go out there next month because he lives out in cairo with his girlfriend he's american but he's lived out there for a while he's um his name's jeffrey i can't remember his second name but he's got a youtube channel called the land of chem you might have heard of it no i've never heard of it have you heard of it yeah yeah it's it's really interesting his theory on like um how these these were essentially giant chemical plants and uh because because egypt was originally called chemit and that's where we get chemistry from and alchemy like yeah like the the build-up from that comes to alchemy and chemistry and like you know hermes trismegistus and all these like you know alchemical type of minds and um it's really interesting when you kind of understand that these things were situated around a waterbed at one point the nile river was right next to them right and then if we invoke these strange spiraling structures that they seem to have found it could almost be drawing water up and producing an oasis right that these things might have actually been agricultural nodes that promoted fertility in the local area.

2:23:45And it's really interesting. I mean, his idea about it, because it even extends to like the dolmens and the hinges that we find all over the world. They're all made out of like piezoelectric materials, rose quartz, like high quartz concentration. And what his theory was, and I'll murder it because I don't know it properly, but it is really interesting, was that these are conduits for lightning and the lightning would excite the piezoelectric materials. and this would in turn cause natron, I think it's called, to be infused into the ground, which promotes fertility and growth. Right, right. It's like a terraforming technology.

2:24:19Like a type 1 civilization of a different order using holistic technology from the Earth, right? It's so trippy, but that would so explain, I mean, I don't know, but it's like the wise quartz being taken from the Aswan River Valley 500 miles away. Yeah, in the form of 50 to 70 ton blocks, which is just insane. And one of the things I brought up in my presentation, which is not necessarily about that kind of technology or lightning strikes or anything, but just about multi-tone stone lifting. There's a place in Lebanon called Baalbek. Interesting place named after Baal, the storm lord. Baal, you know, and it's the Baalbek, lord of the Beka Valley.

2:24:56Which, funnily enough, if you read the Book of Enoch, the Watchers, right, the weird beings came down on Mount Hernan in Lebanon. So this is like this weird ground zero point for the ancient stories of these fucking wherever these beings were, right? But Baalbek in Lebanon is a quarry site where you've got three megalithic blocks that weigh one of them is like 1 ,200 tons and it goes up to 1 ,800 tons. Absolutely insane megalithic blocks made of limestone. They never left the quarry. But 500 meters up the road, give or take, you've got this place called the Temple of Jupiter, which we attribute to first century Romans.

2:25:29A lot of the temple was built by first century Romans. it's obvious but the foundations and some of the upper tiers of the foundations right there's a series of stones called the trilithon stones which are raised about 30 feet above the foundation blocks and placed with precision they weigh conservative range 800 tons each coming up to about a thousand tons the romans bragged about their heaviest lift which was the lateran obelisk which sits in rome taken from alexandria to rome weighs about 350 to 400 tons so even at a conservative estimate these Baalbek stones are double the weight of what the Romans claimed to be the heaviest lift they never spoke about Baalbek they never spoke about lifting these stones but mainstream archaeologists will attribute it to the first century Romans because they found the foundation and they built their Roman temple above it so they look at it go Roman temple it's all Roman what about those 800 ton stones that were impossible for them to lift with wooden pulleys no Roman shut up 800 yeah 800 and that's conservative they could be up to 1k wow and like to give you some like you know perspective on that you'd need like one of the biggest cranes in the world like i think it's called like the libra 17000 or something to actually lift that with precision and place it and we believe that they did it with wooden pulleys and ropes it's ridiculous and crazy so like there are so many places around the world where it seems ancient foundations peru as well peru is like peru's smoking gun of ancient history and contrasting between what we attribute to the inca and what is so clearly megalithic multi-ton precision from a time long before them.

2:26:57Totally. And even they will say that, like the indigenous oral traditions of the Peruvian shamans will say that they found Saxa Wilmer and Ollantambo, the Nazca lines. There are no roads leading up to the lines. No, sir. No. So you'd be like excavating all this earth, but you don't know how or for what. For what? And then from the highest vantage point locally, the lines don't make any sense. You have to be at least like, I think, 150 meters. Totally an aerial. An aerial, yeah. For it to make any sort of... comprehensive sense it makes no it literally like doesn't make sense unless you're from an aerial perspective so it's i was going to ask you actually on the malta thing if you have these sort of beings with the elongated skull i was just down in peru oh i'm so jealous how long were you there for two days oh don't be that's not enough time not at all don't be jealous because it was i was in and out i got sick oh yeah but but i um there are these there's three fingered three-toed beings the tridactyl beings or whatever and they apparently according to these forensic experts don't appear to have undergone the sort of traditional head binding rituals that you'd expect right and some of them apparently have like metal inside them they have osmium and cadmium inside of them which are rear earth metals that were found in the 18th and 19th century so super strange you know what's weird about that as well is i kind of feel like there was an intelligence psyop done on that very early on because jaime musan showing those kind of ones that were absolutely fake like the ones that were literally just like bone and plastic i'm not even oh yeah no there was one that was like proven but that's not how that was flavio estrada oh my i apologize jaime musan for attributing that to you well because well this is it is important because jaime has gotten so much flack and i'm sure he has gotten behind bs you know in the past but i I spent some time with the guy and like, he's just a cool, he's like, he's, he's, he looks at the fact pattern and he's, he's, he's extremely open about scientists coming down, like taking a, he spent a ton of his own money to like protect this stuff.

2:29:01And he's very like boldly stated in a way where like he gets stuff wrong, but he's like, it's real, you know, like that's it. But he, I, I got no like weird surreptitious facts. No, but what I meant by that is like early on before the Tridactyls, before these very impressive large one that were really discovered there was that little one so that so in 2023 at so Jaime rolled out the J type which is not my highest conviction body type for being real there's an M type those are like the more hominid ones the J types look more like the kind of close encounter to the third kind thing but they also look reptilian the bodies look a little yeah they look fake and so I wouldn't have rolled out one of those I would have rolled out don't look fake these ones the M types don't look fake at all and so he rolled that out but what you might be referencing is then at the airport there's this guy named Manuel Caceres who's a local journalist who made merchandise as a knockoff of that that might be where I'm getting my wires crossed and and everybody got their wires because then Reuters picked that up and this guy Flavio Estrada this official archaeologist from the Ministry of Culture that's similar to Zahyawas man it's the same shit right they were like this is fake because of this like wood glue you know these things stuck together which are obviously obviously and i interviewed this guy and he's like this was art this was not the real thing and he's like yelling and stuff i repeat that one is fake it's craftsmanship constructed built so what i find interesting is when you were describing your maltese the the the heads that sounded so similar to honestly what i saw i was like that maybe there were some beings or whatever i mean i i don't discount it man i really don't because there's so many references in different cultures and countries to you know the times of giants and it's like right i love that in genesis like not that i've really read the bible but i love that in genesis where it's just like there were giants in those times and in the times before that great mighty men of renown yep anyway moving on it's like oh i want to know a bit a bit more about the giants please but you know they don't really tell you much about it i i think that there's a level of truth to uh at least some sort of interface with something that if not giant in stature giant in intellect right that we i mean you go down to like the dendara temples in egypt where you've got the light bulb you know the kind of the classic light bulb um oh it's it's incredible like you know it's people call it a light bulb or a crook's tube because it's like this big atlantean style like pharaoh and the only reason you can say he's a big pharaoh is because you've got depictions of very little people below like kind of praying and like in reverence of him and he's holding you know this right curt he's holding this giant um kind of like bowled out you must it's such a famous maybe i don't know um but it it's like this big light bulb almost with a snake running through it and there's even like a cord that's coming back through it and then running along the uh the wall into like a box that's just like etched into it right it's a very interesting iconography of and it's not repeated around egypt this is just in this subterranean element of the dendara temple I've got footage so I can send it to you.

2:31:57Oh, yeah. I'll place it in or whatever. Yeah, let's do it. But, you know, this whole idea of like intellectual giants, you know, like people who were just so superior to us. And, you know, you think of like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey where we attributed that area to just hunter gatherers. Then lo and behold, this, you know, incredible ancient, the oldest megalithic temple site pops up out of the ground. And the mainstream will just say, oh, I guess the hunter gatherers did that. Yeah. Well, that makes absolutely no fucking sense. Because they get out of their deer hide tents one day and just start erecting multi-ton stone with astronomy alignment.

2:32:28It's like a sundial. It's like a sundial. And it was purposely buried. Right. Intentionally buried. So I get the sense that maybe they were like, you know, kind of like survivors of that pre-time. Like this cataclysm that I think clearly did take place. There was pockets of survivors who went. And where would you go? You'd go to the hunter gatherers, right? You'd go to the ones who knew how to live because you're just a fucking idiot. You're an intellectual. You've been preaching in Atlantis for all your life. You're not someone who could like, you know what I mean? You know what iconoclasm is?

2:32:54Right, right, right. Yeah, exactly. Could Gobekli Tepe be iconoclasm? It could be. Yeah, I think it could. Exactly. But it's interesting how, you know, this place is buried over. And it just makes me wonder about, like, you know, the hunter-gatherers of that era. And maybe they were like, you know what? We don't want you doing this again. Look what you brought down upon this world by inciting the wrath of gods. You tried to be the gods. So they were like, they weren't like Luddite. They fucking murdered these people. and buried their site. That's stowing. Like, no, no, no, no, no, we're not doing this again.

2:33:27I wonder about that. But this idea of like, instead of literal giants, giants of intellect, for sure, I think was a thing. Stood on the shoulders of giants. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, right? Exactly. I find the time we're in so exciting because I was just actually in the context of looking into these Peruvian mummies. I was looking up how many, like how fast these discoveries are occurring. And so I was doing this kind of calculation about like how much older has our civilization just gotten in the last 70 years and like all these megalithic sites a lot of them are like the last 70 to 100 years that we i mean archaeology as a field is only 200 years old exactly so it's almost you should we should come up with some law where it's like the older the field gets you're getting the civilization is going to get older right like sophisticated right right it's not like the mesopotamia cradle of civilization thing is bullshit yes and then similarly i was looking up hominids and like we have 21 to 30 depending on like how you you know categorize a hominid right overall that have ever walked the earth guess how many of those have been discovered in the last 10 years oh god five as your base case and then depending on how again strict you are with peer review and that sort of thing 10 at the highest that's crazy a lot of them out there still that we haven't managed to categorize so many yeah so i look at this thing in peru and i'm like i feel like you know i talked about this with rogan a bunch and i'm like was i you crushed it by the way i crushed it thanks man well i i almost that's the hot seat of all hot seats and you did a great job i was fucking nervous yeah i bet you were i was fucking so nervous um i like when this came up i almost my self-critique is like i was too conservative like i i got in my head man i think i think we found a new hominid uh creature and we're going to DNA test it very soon.

2:35:17We're going to do another DNA test. You found in Peru? Yeah, so it's in Peru and not because of me, but Jaime and my other friend is making this epic documentary. This guy, Michael Mazzola, makes a documentary called This Is Not a Hoax. Good dude.

2:35:34He's DNA testing it with these independent aerospace contractors and they're going to do some double blind stuff so there's no cheating allowed. So I love, and that's why when people come at Jaime, the fact that Jaime is down to do this in a way that it could totally falsify, you know, everything is fucking awesome. And so I'm so pumped for this to just, you know, it's, I think the definition of a, of a grifter is someone who wants to keep something in a liminal space. I want it to collapse into true or false. And let's, let's see. I want, I want these things to be proven. That's why I'm in it.

2:36:07I want it to be evidenced, you know, and I also think it's a BS excuse. Like there's so many things to cover and there's so many anomalies in the world that you're never going to run out of mysteries to talk about you know what i mean yeah let's try and prove some mysteries let's let's do that yeah so many yeah there's a backlog you know what i mean but you know one thing do you want to hear my weird idea about the greys yeah let's hear like i don't know if this would explain everything uh in relation to the greys but i find it very interesting that there's a lot of aboriginal stories from around the world that seem to be applicable to the greys and you see some cave art in places like australia and even the native americans where you've got these large eyes these large heads and this depiction of them and there's certain tribes like the Hopi tribe you've got the ant people and like these different stories where they would come up from the ground and they would assist people during times of great trouble and strife and geological trauma and famine and they would teach them right and then you look at there was a fascinating podcast that went out a few years ago where these two guys got some amazon amazonian tribesmen on the show and they were straight up from the amazon basin they only spoke their own language they needed an interpreter they were in the headdress they were fully you know of that culture and they asked him if they had any thoughts on aliens they didn't know what they meant by alien they were like i'm sorry can you explain that better and so they got a magazine out and they're flipping through they found an alien gray and they showed this alien gray and the amazonian tribe and went that's makinwabu that's makinwabu and then they went into this whole thing about how makinwabu is a human that became an ant and it lives underground and it can appear in the divine light of Mishipan or whatever it was, which is their version of the holy light of something, right?

2:37:42And it's a very dangerous creature and it will take your soul underground and you need a very good shaman to bring your soul back. And they were taking it very seriously. This other tribesman was going, yes, yes, yes, Makanoabu, you need very careful with that. And so my idea about this is that maybe, maybe there is a subterranean species that has lived on this planet for a long time and a bit like the mycelial network. It went for the subterranean route it didn't get affected by the surface traumas that happened to us didn't get reset by great fires and floods because they were deep into the ground and if that's true you have all these indigenous stories of you know beings coming from the underworld and assisting them big eyes translucent gray skin no sunlight large eyes to adapt underground then you hear like the inner earth stories and also coming out of our oceans right you know these ufos what if just What if there is another and the missing subcategories of humans like you just mentioned, right?

2:38:34And in Peru, you've got a tunnel. So what if, just as an idea, there was a species that decided to opt in for subterranean living and has essentially been undisturbed since the beginning. And they are really, really, really advanced. Right. And that's what we think of the ingredients. So this is fascinating. Just an idea. Could be. Who knows? Throwing it out there. Well, yeah. Why not? And when they are, they're very similar to us. And in Calqui, which is the local dialect of where these, you know, in Nazca in Peru, where these mummies were found. Yeah. The local region translates to laboratory for insemination and hybridization.

2:39:12What? Yes. What? Yes. In the actual language? Yes. And you can see this. There's a book from 2006 where that shows this or whatever. Blow my mind. Nuts. Nuts. So a part of me wonders, yeah, I mean, maybe there is some sort of guided, you know, like maybe evolution is a locally functional theory via Darwin, but maybe there are, you know, some artificial interference. Yeah, I think what would happen to us if we opted for underground, subterranean, dark living, you know, your eyes, your skin, it's all going to change dramatically. And yeah, I just wonder because obviously they seem so hyper advanced, whoever the greys are, you know, either being in flying saucers or literally just appearing in your bedroom at night or apparently helping tribes.

2:39:54yeah they seem to have a vested interest in us for some reason some would say it's experimentation others would might say that they're actually you know caring for us in some way but yeah the idea that this could actually be like you say one of those missing subsections of the human of the human lineage and they've just gone for that underground living and they interface with us selectively have you read this book called um the coming race oh yeah yeah yeah edward bulwyl lytton yeah yeah the favorite of every neo-nazi right because whenever i put that out there people like why are you promoting this nazi material because hitler was into it or yeah well hit well you know and this is what got graham hancock in trouble is when he went out and was talking about lances suddenly you had rolling stones and you know the independent nazi racist right-wing propaganda and graham hancock's the most like boomer liberal i don't like multicultural family for the love of god like you know his wife's like you know dark-skinned and like he's been called this racist piece of shit and at the end of all of his speeches he goes we need no nations didn't we like what are you but like you know it's interesting uh yeah the the nazis were obsessed with atlantis like the top tier of the ss and like certain elements of the ss believed that the germanic uh race was a seed race that came from these like like limeria and atlantis and they had a term for like the hyperboreans or something like that and they would go all over this is what's so crazy for a lot of people it's like they see indiana jones they just think that's a film that's a straight-up documentary no heinrich himler was looking for the ark of the They were going through Peru and Nepal and Tibet.

2:41:21There's photos of them with these high llamas and swastikas in the background. It's like, no, they were legitimately interested in doing that kind of stuff. And the issue that you run into these days is if you try and invoke Atlantis or you try and invoke Laimuria and you try and talk about that, the mainstream will say, well, you're just promoting racist right wing ideology. This is the talking points of the Nazis. It's like, well, only because they found out about this stuff from texts, man. Like, don't lump in the idea of Atlantis with neo-Nazis and the ideology of that era. That doesn't make any sense.

2:41:52They just picked up on it and became interested. But it's used as a way to attack. And that's what happened with Graham, very noticeably. No, there are always ways to bucket in. I mean, Nietzsche or whatever was not necessarily a Nazi. It was like a sister that got in with the Nazis. It's just crazy. It's just mushy brain thinking and ways to scapegoat people ad hominem. But what do you think about anti-gravity research and how far they got ahead? Because that's one of the big lines of law is like, oh, it's German tech. It's German tech. Dude, I don't know. But I find myself the Scylla and Charybdis for me are like the people that say there's nothing.

2:42:28Because, dude, I'm so high conviction in the Townsend Brown stuff. And a lot of the, you know, Kammler stub was totally real. And I think they were doing some really trippy shit. Right. I don't know exactly. I know way more fundamentally about what Brown was actually doing versus the Kammler-Staub people. There's a lot of reason to believe I think Kammler-Staub was doing frontier interesting stuff that got and that was part of the impetus for paperclip and why we needed it so badly and that the Habermal side made it to Russia. But we, you know, needed to get a lot. And we now even have Air Force documents knowing that Hans Kammler was apprehended by the Americans.

2:43:02So I think there's something real there. And then Townsend Brown himself parachuted behind enemy lines into Nazi Germany. And there's a telegram from William Stevenson, who I mentioned earlier, you know, inspiration for James Bond. Right. To Josephine, who's Townsend Brown's wife, saying that, you know, your husband is safe, but he's been injured. And there's a photo of him in Catalina. He's recovering. Wow. Yeah, a lung injury. Yeah, so I think there's some weird connections there for sure. And then the Scylla and Charybdis is the people who are like, there's nothing here where they're posturing around.

2:43:36You know, I love Eric Weinstein, but even him is like, it's always like hedging where it's like, you know, there's a lot of, you know, disinfo in the space. And like, but like, look first principles at the Brown stuff. Like there is something there. So there's like this side where I like have to argue that there's something real here. And then there's like the Ashton Forbes side where like, again, nothing against him. And like, I'm down to have him on my show, like whatever. but like he is so sure that we have like teleportation tech in you know deep black circles and i'm like dude where are you getting yeah why how can you know me and him bumped heads quite a few times online and then he was at the conference i was at a couple days ago the first time i met him yeah yeah we shook we shook hands and became friends in that sense i don't agree with him and i think mh370 is fake yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no i basically feel the same way and i'm I'm still happy to talk to the guy.

2:44:26But like, so I feel like those are the two, the two failure. But, but, but the Brown stuff, I'm pretty sure is real. Yes. I'm pretty sure it was classified. And then to me, it's just a black box as to where that, what happened next. And we were talking earlier about the disclosure stuff that felt like I'll fucking talk to anybody. I don't care who they are and you know what their past is or whatever. The Brown stuff for me popped up. It was like the most orthogonal to like all of the like shit getting like, quote unquote, like, you know, you know, like it was like this came out of left field. So like I know that shit's fucking real.

2:45:00It wasn't like somebody came out and was doing like the circuit of interviews, like saying something. No, there's a trail of receipts for that. Yeah. Absolutely. So I'm really high conviction in that. And then beyond that, man, I don't fucking know. And it frustrates me. And I wish we could make progress. I don't know. What do you think? No, I'm in agreement with you. I find it fascinating, like, where do these stories come from? Like, you know, the idea of, like, the Vril Discs and, you know, like, the Nazi bell. And, you know, what's the origin point for this? Is it disinformation? Is it a smokescreen from Western intelligence, you know, during paperclip?

2:45:31And like, right, let's say this stuff and we'll do this stuff over here. Look at the right hand while the left hand's doing something else. You know what I mean? Like, I think that there is a hell of a lot of kind of smokescreening involved in some of these rich laws within UFOlogy because it's about trying to protect the technology and keep it away from people. So distraction techniques that will send someone off on a paper trail that leads nowhere. Yes. You know what I mean? And I do. I wonder if, you know, if you believe I believe in non-human intelligence. I think that that is totally real.

2:45:59I've seen enough of my own eyes, man. Totally. Orbs hover over my house. There you go. So that's a firsthand experience that you have to try. And I am somewhat sympathetic to the three body problem narrative in that, like, I think science is much weirder than meets the eye and it pattern matches to revelation when these scientists have their discoveries so i wonder if they have their own counter intel for some of this science possibly right disseminated in this slow drip and and it's not maybe the philip corso clean narrative where it's like just based on meta materials that were reverse engineering it's more like mental like yeah you get a download for a thing and then it gets like unlocked where did that come from exactly yeah i i find that interesting it's not just us that might be doing the op it might be something else no in the art well it's it's funny eric davis you know went in front of uh congress or whatever and like the whole thing was kind of this weird dog and pony show i think congress is like a lot of this stuff not good but the the my favorite line from from his and i have disagreements with him a la on the brown stuff but like uh uh my favorite statement of him was he goes the nhir controlling disclosure which i loved and that's fucking true man i don't think like that's why i you know do you remember obama on what he said jimmy kimmel and it's like you do it with a smile but what are you really saying he's like the aliens won't let it happen they uh oh they exercise strict control over us well wait well i have a crazy story about yeah yeah it's off time yeah yeah can i say one thing okay my crazy my crazy story on that is I have a friend who I think heard from Eddie Vedder, the Pearl Jam guy.

2:47:38He was at a campfire with Obama. Oh, no shit. And everybody was kind of wasted or something. And Obama, and he was like, dude, I gotta know. What's actually going on? And Obama goes, read the three-body problem. No shit. Yes. No shit. Yes. Wow. And Obama's, now his production company is doing a movie on Betty and Barney Hill. Yes. Talk about predictive programming. And they did the Leave the World Behind. Leave the World Behind. Like the grid goes down. Like basically the step-by-step to destabilize a nation. Exactly. Yes. Go on, brother. We got for us. Three-body problem. Just wrap in. As far as the impossibility of Fast and Light, or the dark forest thing, that's some bullshit from psychopaths, serpent race people.

2:48:20But the Sophons, remember the Sophons? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Sophons. They were using atoms. Coming into the CERN and messing up all the mental physics. They're called Sophons. Is that not the guy who told, what's his name about Atlantis? Sophons? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, Sofans told... Oh, no, Solon. Solon. Oh, yeah, Solon. But the Sofans, the thing... Marc Andreessen, in an interview with Barry Weiss, he said he wanted to work on AI, and they go, no, don't bother. We're only going to let two or three guys do it and do, like, you know, a state capitalist thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:48:48And he goes, what do you mean? And he goes, yeah, we classified a whole area of physics. Back in the Cold War, no problem. Now, in your school... Do it again. Yeah, in your school, the three states of matter I learned, water and steam and ice, but plasma which is the fourth state of matter we didn't really get into that ever we don't and that's where a lot of secrecy and you did something on kenneth's shoulder exotic vacuum object yeah i well i i mean like i can't really claim that i did it i've had some guests on like a pretty mysterious guy called mr that's right yeah that was that was back in the day that was when i was first getting up with uh richard dolan and mr x who just doesn't want to be named he's not a government guy he's just he's a savant he's really is a savant um he did so much work on evos exotic vacuum objects and it's like self-organizing plasma and like if you want to hear like deep dives into the technicalities of what plasma might be like check out my oldest interviews with mr x from like four years back five years back like that dude's a fountain of knowledge but um yeah like the sapphire project and things like this popped up for a bit like you know we're balling the stars we're doing it gone yeah hal putoff got involved with that um right project for a little bit.

2:49:55Right. He's got his hands in everything. He's always showing up. Your story about the, first of all, Peru. I didn't know you just went to Peru. That's fucking one. Yeah, that was great. That's where we get the name, you know, did they talk about Amaru at all? Amaru. Their god. Oh, no, not too much. The dead Americans named after. Oh, wow. Is that true? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Marigo Vespucci changed his name to be more like that, not the other way around. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Peru? No, my good friend is from there. It's on my list, man. You guys ever want to check out the mummies? Who used to tell me crazy stuff about it all the time.

2:50:29I didn't believe him back then because I wouldn't believe none of this stuff. I would be dismissive of all the things that you're saying 20 years ago. I'd go, there's nothing. Were you a normie back in the day? You're two degree. Really? I can't fix it. I was a minister. I used to be a Jehovah's Witness. I was a minister. Right, right. I stopped when I was 20. Really? Damn, you were a minister. Yeah. Everybody knocks on your door, you get baptized as a minister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shit, man. What woke you up? Quite a lot. What woke you up? What took you out of this? Of that? Yeah. Oh, pussy. It was just pussy.

2:51:00It wasn't any. But you have to understand, if I believe something and I'm in a cult, okay? And the only reason I call them a cult is because you actually have to do the religion. That's the only reason I call them a cult. Right, right. So my definition is different than a lot of people's. I always want to be Catholic because you don't have to do it. You know? Well, that must be fun. Just say you're sorry when you die. But you couldn't have talked me out of it. You couldn't have talked me out of it. you could go me show me all the evidence you don't leave the cult till it don't work for you the way they said it was going to work for you they tell you it's the answer to everything all the answers and then when it don't work that's when you go out of it okay so that's when i left now that thing you said about the underground the ant people and i didn't know they said they were sinister um they did that that particular tribe did they were just like don't fuck with it okay yeah yeah that's okay so so this is what i'm talking about metaphorical overlays okay so they're underground now i think the little greys are some type of homunculus if you ever looked at greta thunberg that's the evolutionary pattern of us patient zero right there she's a completely astro-perf construct why would i care about anything about her because they made that yeah she was grown in like a world economic forum

2:52:14basically but vegan too early is the same difference okay um so they went underground So, you know, these AI freaks like that, that, uh, creep with the hair lip that made little Sophia. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sophia. Oh yeah. He went to Epstein Africa to map kids' brains. Of course he did. What? Yeah. And he used a doll called Little Sophia, this creepy ass doll to make him think about STEM. Also, Sophia is a Gnostic reference. That's right. For wisdom. Wisdom. And it spies on your underage daughter as it excites her about STEM. It was crazy. Okay? Full speed ahead. All these AI guys go, oh, yeah, it's going to be terrible.

2:52:54Do you watch these tech guys talk? It's insane. Yeah. They go, yeah, first it's going to suck. Yeah. They've all built underground bunkers, you might have heard. Yeah, they're ready for that shit. Yeah, like the ant people you might have heard from those guys. Yeah, right. You see in the commonalities here? Yeah, man. There's a bunch of rich, high-tech people that are going to transhuman you. You're going to be half an iPhone. Yay! And then it's going to suck, and they're going to go underground when shit fuds again. And then they'll come back up and teach the rest of us how to live again. Yeah, like, well, shit, dude.

2:53:23So look for themes. Yeah, man. The details, I don't believe or not believe. Nothing to do with nothing. You can lie to me. I want to know a new thing I ain't heard yet that don't make me bored. Would you guys ever get Neuralink? No. I would never get it. No. I interviewed the guy that got the first one. Oh, yeah. How was that? Yeah, yeah. Arbaugh. Arbaugh. Nolan Arbaugh. Nolan Arbaugh, like something like that. Because he had a couple that went loose. Whoa. A couple of friends that went loose. He was the first one. No, the real first one was in 1970. Okay, right, yeah. Leonard Kyle worked for Polaroid.

2:53:56He was very jealous of his girlfriend or something, and he went to a therapist to help him with that. And unfortunately, his psychologist worked for the CIA, and they put a chip in his skull without telling him. Why? Because Carlos Delgado has that. You ever see the video of the bull, and they can stop its aggression? They can make it nonviolent? Oh. Carlos Delgado, CIA great. And, okay, this is wild. They put it in his head. It was a disaster. And the microwaves that are beaming the shit to the head were giving him horrible pain. He's a real smart guy. Yeah. It turns his brain to Joe Biden's soup.

2:54:29He ends up in a booby hatch. People go to visit him. I'm telling you the truth. He has a metal garbage can on his head. Because even though he's crazy, he's smart enough to know it blocks what they're doing. Right, right. So, wait, ready? Wait for the punchline, dude. So then they started giving him tinfoil instead. No shit. And that's where we get tinfoil hat from the CIA mutilating an American citizen. And it's a big joke now. Isn't that funny? Is that true? I just told you it's true three times. That's crazy. Yeah, so I like to dress up like a clown and tell people these things because they can't believe it.

2:55:08Did you like my Hannibal Directed shirt that I wore? my old band google it nice yeah so i can't believe you're at a thing we mock was someone mutilated by intel service but they're gonna tell you the truth about ufos i'm sure they will you were a minister yeah but could you imagine his fucking the his uh what do you call it you guys hit like three things that i'm like oh my god i was like fascinating like hearing this shit because I know a lot of this shit, too. Well, let's go to dinner, didn't we? Yeah, we'll go to dinner. It's little pieces. And I just, like I said, I don't care who anybody likes.

2:55:48Right. Or what do I give a shit? I just want data. Just give me data. And I'm like, get that data. Yeah, man. However I got to get it, I'm going to find it. I don't know why I'm obsessed with it, but I am. I hate you doing that. Yeah. And so there's people are going to, as soon as you, who here, raise your hand. If someone from somewhere like DOD or, what is it, DID, Someone from one of the three-letter agencies maybe met you somewhere and go, hey, I just want to tell you, you're about 80 % right your analysis. Because I've heard someone else... That's happened to me a bunch of times. I've heard it.

2:56:17It's happened to you a bunch of times. Did you get a nice 80 %? The guy said to me... Well, I got told that I was flagged as a Russian disinformation platform by the DoD, apparently, but... No way. They're still letting me in the country, so... You were flagged as Russian disinformation? According to someone who had contacts in the DoD who said, oh, yeah, no, we love Project Uni, but we can't actually watch it because it's been flagged as a Russian disinformation platform. I don't know how true that is, but that's what I was related. I have a bunch of Twitter bots calling me Russian disinfo. I'm like, what are you talking about?

2:56:44The moment I open my mouth back to Korean. I'm funded by guitar myself. Yeah, I've seen you saying that, dude. I've seen you saying that shit. Yeah, no, I mean, I think at a certain point when you talk about these kind of subjects and you hit a certain perception and everyone's like, oh, he's controlled opposition. Oh, he's this, he's that, he's the other. I've heard it about you as well, bro. So I know the people come up with rumors. Oh, it's all over Reddit. What you learn is the way this system works. Yeah, dude. A lot of victim, I'm not calling anybody perpetrator, but perpetrators are victims as well of it.

2:57:10That's how the pyramid system works. A bunch of, the whole way it's designed is the compartmentalization levels are so that you don't know anything. So people go, oh, he knows that guy. I know all kinds of rich, famous people. That don't mean shit. Dude, Jack Krause, who I think is very good info, thinks Rogan's a honey trap. Right. Yeah, Rogan's called controlled opposition all the time. All the time. Don't listen to none of that. You know a tree by its fruit. So what are the fruits of what you produced? Does it go nowhere or did I learn from it? That's all I'm looking at. Yeah, man. Well, that's why it's like dark journalists has called me that before.

2:57:44Well, has he? I'm like, dude, like you are into the Townsend Brown stuff. And I went way deeper on the same shit. Right. Where's the daylight between us? Like if you can give me substance on like how I'm doing it, it's just weird. It's thrown out there pretty, you know, fragrantly. It kind of is. Yeah. Everybody does it. And I get it. I get it. But sometimes it's like, sometimes it's true. And then sometimes it's some keyboard warrior Reddit mushy brain bullshit. Which is most of the time. Most of the time. Most of the time. Have no ego. You have to dissolve your ego to do this. That's what they teach you in them things.

2:58:14But that's another thing. There's just too many people trying to LARP as spooks and spies. And they want to be, you know, I'm close to the insiders. I've got information. It's like, you are the most easy to fuck with. You realize that, right? That you're so desperate to be involved with these people. They love it. Because they'll just feed you full of bullshit. Kick you out into the world and say, go preach. Yeah. You know what I mean? so many of them so many of them you've got to be really discerning in this subject and that's something that i've done as well i've made mistakes i've had people on like there was a darpa dude that i had on turned out to not be from darpa because i got a fucking email from darpa yeah i got emailed by the security manager of darpa he was like i'm really sorry to email you but we've just seen your video and this guy has never worked for darpa who is it michael moran yeah watch out for that motherfucker he's a scientologist i think he's just like out there trying to spread his like agenda but i was i was actually i won't say you told me he was darpa but was someone that I actually did trust.

2:59:01He was in the IC who we've brought up his name on this show. And he was like, oh no, you need to get him on. And I just didn't do my due diligence, got him on and then boom, turns out he's full of shit. If you cover this stuff, you're going to swing at some bad pictures. You're going to swing at some bad pictures. I've definitely gotten shit wrong. The healthiest thing to do as a normal person is just to go, I got got. I'm sorry. I'm not perfect. I got got. And you know, so many people refuse to like do that. No, you got stuff wrong. I was being fucked with by the internet. It's like, no, just admit you made a mistake.

2:59:28You're doing real work. You're going to get fucked with by intel. Exactly, bro. I don't care if you're wrong. Yeah, yeah. You could be wrong. Who made up this thing you can't be wrong with that flip people dipshit? Yeah, exactly, dude. The Nazis are going to come to the United States. Remember that shit? Yeah, dude. That's an obvious op to smear you. You're allowed to make mistakes. Yeah, so I care if you lie to me. Joe Rogan, who's not a scientist, he didn't make a single mistake about COVID. Not one. He was crushing it. He was pretty ready. So all the people that talk about science to me, I want to know if you got your booster.

2:59:58and I want to know if women have dicks or not. Okay? We need to establish a baseline of sensibility. Before you look down on a flat earth, 100 % bro. How do women have dicks? Oh, they do? I guess anything's possible. They're all as fucking crazy as each other, but you know, I get what you're saying. It's just we live in a dog-eat dog. It's Hobbs of Leviathan. The system's set up. It's how you divide the population to rule that. But that's what I think the judo move is. The failure mode on what we're talking about is caring too much about the disinfo or the intel or whatever, where it's like the cool thing is to just be in your locally good positive bubble and just search for truth and just do your thing.

3:00:38Well, that's honestly, again, that's why I've stepped a bit away from UFOs and that kind of subject because it's just like full to the brim with intelligent spies and stooks. And it's like I find it really refreshing to be looking at ancient history and not only is there like an actual data trail, but no one's trying to fuck with me in the same level. No one's trying to influence my stuff as much as they were when I was doing UFOs. And I just feel like there's really good signatures in ancient history to say like the models are wrong. Like there's evidence that the models are wrong. Whereas with UFOs, even though I've seen, I've literally got into a meditative state and made requests for something to turn up and had orange orbs float down and hover above my house.

3:01:12Which is why I created my YouTube channel in the first place. Picked up a camera phone, put it on a tree branch and was like, hey guys, I'm a person. This happened to me. and then suddenly you get thrown into this world of like espionage and spooks and spies and it's exciting but you come out on the end of that and you're like i didn't actually learn anything from these guys like you know what i mean yeah dude so like i find it refreshing to step into another subject where it's like there's an anomaly there's something to look at here but there's actually some pretty good evidence for it and then it ties into the anunnaki the sumerians or the watchers it's like there's a connection yeah but this modern stuff just feels like it's been cia sealed and package to send out to us to just kind of like there's a lot of that but i push back slightly like robert hastings and the nuclear stuff like extremely grounded patterns of like these guys who if you speak to any of these q cleared guys they're they're not they don't have any counter intel background yeah no not all of them not throwing every single one you're saying i'm not throwing every single one of them under the bus not not at all but i just feel like the ufo community And even Harold is specifically populated with a lot of intelligence influence.

3:02:16You have to be so careful who you trust, who you listen to. Yeah, yeah. You know. No, and what I don't like about it is it's like there are like channels that are seen. Like I always, the thing that's made me uncomfortable about this year is I want to off myself as some like, like I don't want anybody to see me. That's why I have, you know, Kurt on my show. I have no respectability. No, this is beautiful. it'll it'll it'll it'll give me it'll give me a healthy little refreshment no which is a i destroyed your career today fantastic no no i i i think it i think i i think it's great because it's like you don't want to be the guy no no you don't it's the worst position no you don't because then you'll just get shot down the moment you make a mistake yeah yeah yeah no exactly and that's it's good to inter disperse the seriousness with a bit of fucking levity because just from be on stage dude if you're gonna get your feelings hurt you don't i'm a clown for a living so yeah i don't get to have dignity you know so what happens online and by the way it's part of the darpa we went on a darpa bullshit right to get you pulled into a nonsense spinning samsara endless wheel that's very much like the cycle of reincarnation right right and you're in a prison and you got to go back all these spiritual things you hey unified field theory is as above so below i think yeah no because you can scale this shit up and down and you can see what the picture is but you gotta look at other shit you do i read the bible a lot and me trying to reconcile all these different things then you start to see and once you know who gets paid for doing what you could start putting it together it's not beyond you to put it together it's not 100 on that beautiful now damn how long we've been going for we've been going for my girl's mad she had an experience and she's impatient with this okay okay well guys it's crazy yeah it's been it's been doug jay anderson project unity kurt metzger thanks brother yeah good to meet you i got you too man we'll link up later for a meal or something hell yeah we'll get dinner appreciate you guys that was yeah that was really good crazy

3:04:24Thank you.