Meet The Scientist Who Studies Alien Implants in Human Bodies

28:46Well, that's the case. I mean, the ether, I believe they told me this too, but other people have come up with this theory that the ether is composed of tiny particles that are on the order of the Planck mass and the Planck dimensions. They're like 10 to the 20th times smaller than an atomic nucleus, and they have a magnetic and electric dipole moment and interact with each other much more strongly than they interact with ordinary matter. And matter going through it without accelerating does not experience a force because it acts like it's super fluid. But when it's accelerating, there's an electromagnetic drag force that people that believe in this theory call the Rindler flux.

29:34which causes inertia. And you can actually derive Newton's second law by assuming a spatial structure of that nature. Interesting. Yeah. Whoa. Who's like developed this theory? I, several, several physicists, I don't recall their names offhand, but I can look it up for you. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, no, you're right that later Einstein said general relativity is not actually incompatible with the ether. So that is an important. And then I would also say about the Michelson-Morley experiment, you know, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. And so we just don't know, you know, but I do think, yeah, that's this kind of hotly debated, contested thing.

30:20So it's a very interesting theory. In the Michelson-Morley experiment, the ether is probably being dragged by the instrument itself That might account for the results of no observable ether movement. But there was another guy named Millikan, I believe his name was, that actually did come up with some positive results for motion through the ether. That's interesting. I didn't know that about Robert. Robert Millikan was at Caltech, and Townsend Brown actually studied under him. And then they kind of got into it because Millikan didn't really believe in Brown's stuff. Ironically, Brown believed what you said, which is that gravity is more of a push than a pull.

31:00And so you're saying, because Millikan did a lot of the experimental proving of Einstein's photoelectric effect from 1905. Yeah. But I didn't know that he had something to do with the ether and detecting the ether. That's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. He said he detected it and he was a pretty high powered physicist. Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. He didn't detect it directly, but he detected Earth's motion through the ether by an experiment on Mount Wilson, I believe it was. Wow, fascinating. We'll have to look into that. You know, it's interesting. We take so many things for granted that we've never detected, like dark matter.

31:35But the ether is completely like we're not allowed to talk about it. It's like a dirty word or something. Yeah, I don't think I believe in dark matter. After 50 years of experimentation, there's no evidence for it at all. And you don't really even need dark matter to explain the results. the reason they postulated dark matter in the first place is because of the motion of the galaxies. They behave as though there's either gravity is acting as an inverse linear force at those distances, or there's a halo of massive matter above and below the galaxy. Well, postulating that gravity is an inverse linear force at those distances, is actually a simpler explanation than postulating some unknown form of matter.

32:23Yeah, I think you're right. I would bet against dark matter and dark energy. Dark energy is not one of the four fundamental forces. It's this sort of, you know, just— I think dark energy is a zero-point energy. That's what's causing the universe to expand more rapidly rather than—it's supposed to be slowing down, according to Einstein. but uh dark energy aka uh zero point energy is causing the expansion to accelerate it's fascinating quantum vacuum fluctuations right yeah i mean okay we could have a whole other discussion on physics i want to stick with this so you you experience this kind of profound thing you end up with this you know um implant in your toe so you don't know what's happened at that point because you haven't gotten a hypnotic regression is that point yeah i didn't know I didn't remember what happened.

33:12I woke up and I knew that I had an implant in my toe. The aliens had been there in the middle of the night. And I had one more on the side of my head, too. Really? My head kind of hurt right there. Whoa. And that shows up in a stud finder. Okay, wow. And then you get in touch with Roger Lear? Yeah. And you email him? I just went to his office. Okay, he just showed up. I just made an appointment and went over there and told him I had a possible foreign object in my toe. And in the middle of the appointment, I told him that it was a possible alien implant or an abduction-related. Excuse me. I don't think he believed me at first, but he gave me a prescription to get an x-rayed.

34:03And he said to give a copy of the film to the patient, and I definitely saw something on the x-ray, and that was wild. That is extremely wild. What did it look like? Well, I could tell people, too, that there's a heck of a difference between strongly suspecting that something like this is going on with you, which I had for years, and knowing for sure. And proof like that, you know for sure. Yeah. What did it look like? It looked like a bent piece of wire on the X-ray, and it was larger in real life. And we took it out, and it looked on the X-ray. Wild. Okay. So you see this X-ray, and then do you have a hypnotic regression, and you remember the full experience with these alien beings?

34:51Yeah, pretty much, yeah. And is Roger Lear at that point kind of bought into the extraterrestrial or other entity, non-human hypothesis, or does he think? He was excited. He wanted to come over and check out my house. And we found all kinds of anomalies, anomalous magnetic fields, leaves, and the trunk of the avocado tree had become magnetized. And in the kitchen, stainless steel knives had become magnetized and the wood of the cabinets and all kinds of stuff. Wood seems to be very susceptible to magnetization by alien equipment. Interesting. Because normally it wouldn't be. Right. But it's either a magnetic monopole or magnetic fields beyond a certain strength leave a residue.

35:35Magnetic monopoles make a certain amount of sense. It would be an ether that had a magnetic charge to it that would be absorbed into the material. And it seems to decay away over a period of several weeks. And how many implants did Roger Lear remove? He removed a total of, I believe, 17 from 17 different people. Wow. And how many have you removed? I haven't removed any. I don't have a license to operate on. Okay. But you sort of look into this stuff yourself. I attended the last three removal surgeries, including my own. Okay. And how many have you seen, like firsthand? I've seen probably six or seven.

36:14Wow. And does any part of you or does any part of, you know, from your conversations with Roger Lear, think that this could have been human tech? No, most of them did not look like human tech at all to us. And there was reason to believe that the materials came from not only from space, but from other parts of our galaxy. But we did find, or he did find one or two that looked like human tech that looked like just standard microchips. Whoa. And so, so such a crazy territory to kind of operate in or think about. So you think there are maybe a couple that represent, I mean, what would those microchips have come from?

36:58Well, the government's experimenting with implants too, but they're, they're much less sophisticated than the ones the aliens use. And they're much bigger. Yeah. And, and that would make sense. I mean, I mean, yeah, the government has had like sort of mind control programs. Oh yeah. you know, MKUltra sort of stuff. And they probably have used chips. But these things are, so they have isotope ratios that don't normally occur on earth that would cost millions of dollars to create in a centrifuge. Any other sort of abnormalities or anomalies? Well, I noticed that in three of the implants that have the isotopic abnormalities, the heavier isotopes in those elements were overrepresented.

37:40I talked to people who really did analyze the stuff from the real deal stuff and it's super weird. It's like heavy element, you know, Europium, Californium stuff. It's like in these atomic arrangements that make like no sense. You know, this is through X-ray diffraction where they can image the shadows of the atomic pairs and stuff. And it's like, why is all these crazy heavy elements in this like weird ceramic metal hull structure and it doesn't we don't understand the emergent metamaterial property so it was either it's either either they come from closer to the center of the galaxy where there's a heavier supernova all these heavy elements are created in supernova explosions where there's a massive cascade of neutrons in one part of the explosion and rapid neutron capture creates these elements It was heavier than iron.

38:33And so it's either that or the elements had been exposed to a massive quantity of neutrons. Either way, it's very strange and most likely way beyond human technology. Yeah, and a lot of neutrons would be outside the Van Allen radiation belt or something. Yeah, or in a reactor or a zero-point energy generator. Also, the no immune reaction, it's like you think of Elon Musk as the tip of the spear with technology. And, you know, he had all these issues with the, you know, electrode implants in people's brains where there would be immune reactions. Even to this day, I believe Nolan Arbaugh, the first patient, I think might need some like tweaking after like the first thing worked because of this sort of immune reaction issue.

39:23Oh, yeah. Dr. Lue told me that any foreign object in the body produces an immune reaction. Silicone produces the least immune reaction of all substances known, but even that produces a fair amount, as a lot of women that got silicone breast implants could testify. But these produce none whatsoever. It's just very beyond strange. Do you notice commonalities in behavioral patterns changing from some of these patients? um it's hard i think there are some changes but it's they're hard to to notice i know that when i had uh my toe implant it was like very subtle but it was like uh there was some sort of a of a governor put in my thoughts or i and i felt more free once it was removed it's it's but it was very subtle whoa and um people were telling me that i i didn't look well that i had a gray complexion or something when I had the implant.

40:25Really? Yeah. So it affected you in sort of a negative way? Apparently, yeah. Why do you think, ah, it's so strange. Ideally, you know, the alien tech or whatever would, you know, be so, so, you know, if it's not creating an immune reaction, it wouldn't, you know, suppress your thoughts in any sort of negative way as well. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe what they told me about it being a monitoring device was just a cover story. Maybe they were trying to produce some changes or something. Hmm. It's fascinating. But they definitely were hesitant to put it in because they knew it would start an investigation.

40:59And I suspected that I was an experiencer for a year that had missing time experiences and had no other way to account for them. But it's kind of easier to be in denial if you don't have any real concrete proof. So wild conversation for me because you seem like a very smart guy. And then a lot of these things are just so, so out there. I wouldn't even entertain. I'm a scientist. I wouldn't even entertain a lot of this stuff if I didn't approve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's, you're backing up all your claims. So it's, it's really amazing. Dr. Roger Lear, did you find him to be, you know, fully kind of bought into the kind of non-human hypothesis as the origin?

41:41Oh yeah, he was fully, fully bought into the extraterrestrial hypothesis. And he says 17 or 18 implants that he removed? 17, I believe. 17. And, and he had no background in this. He was just a podiatrist. And yeah, he thought it was ridiculous at first too, but. Did he stumble upon a, like there was one of his patients or something and he pulled it out? He went to, he went to a convention, I think the UFO Congress. And he met Daryl Sims there, who was the original guy on the implants. And he tried to convince Dr. Lear that it was worth looking into. And Dr. Lear said, ah, you're full of it and everything.

42:22And another friend of Dr. Lear's convinced him to go take another look. And he went back and told Sims that, you know, if you can get some patients out here that have these things, I'll x-ray them and take the object out if it's there. And we'll find out what it is. Did Lear ever try to write an academic paper on any of this stuff? Yeah, he and I tried to write a paper and we tried to publish it in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. And first they said they were excited to have it. Then I think somebody got to them and they said that it was ridiculous. They didn't want to publish it. And we weren't even saying it was alien.

43:01We just said it was an unknown object recovered from somebody's leg. and they really gave us a hard time about it. And I'm pretty sure that somebody told him not to publish it. That's so crazy. It's like, yeah, because it's funny. You can go on ChatGPT and they say, Roger Lear has no academically peer-reviewed papers or whatever. It's like you tried. Yeah, we did try. And it's funny. I think you always have to sanitize the results and just say, no, we found something anomalous. Like we don't we don't we're not even jumping to conclusions. But even then, sometimes there's this sort of antibody rejection of a lot of these findings.

43:41There's a friend of mine, Beatrice Villareal. She's a an astronomer from Stockholm University. And she's a PhD out there. And she basically from the Palomar Observatory, which was, you know, one of the most prominent, you know, observatories in use in the in the 40s and 50s. And she noticed all sorts of these, what look like essentially UFO-like objects, these light-reflecting objects that look like kind of mirrors in orbit. Yeah, yeah. And geo. Yeah, they recruited Clyde Tombaugh, the discoverer of Pluto, to investigate those too. That's fascinating. So there's a history of looking into these geosynchronous objects that seem to exist in the tens of thousands.

44:31And he wrote an article, Tom Bott wrote an article saying that Earth had some smaller moons orbiting at about 500 miles up. And I know from my own experiences that gray mother ships orbited about that altitude and they launched the smaller UFOs that actually go out and sortie to abduct people and such. So fascinating because the other thing is, you know, I go back and forth on the moon landing stuff where if I'm debating with a skeptic on the moon landing, it's like I'm extremely open to us having actually landed on the moon. But something's off about the whole story. Something is off. Well, they're concealing a lot.

45:13There's a lot up there they don't want people to see. So it's like maybe they saw something along the way, you know? Yeah. And interesting that you should mention the moon stuff. I found out that Apollo 13 may not have failed by a mechanical problem. It may have been zapped by the aliens because they may have had a nuclear warhead on board. What? Yeah. How did you find that out? Well, I can't prove it, but it was the next logical step in their seismic program where Apollo 11 put a seismograph on the moon and so did Apollo 12. And it rang like a bell. On Apollo 12, they crashed the ascend stage of the lunar module into the moon, and it rang like a bell for hours.

45:55Then on Apollo 13, when they were approaching the moon, they crashed the third stage of the Saturn V into the moon and made a bigger bang, and it rang like a bell for even longer. And so if Apollo 13 had landed on the moon, they would have had three seismographs and would have been able to probably map the interior of the moon a little bit with the seismic waves that would be generated by another event. And the next logical step would have been to put a remote detonated small nuclear device on the moon and detonate it after the astronauts leave. Jesus. So, but you're just hypothesizing that. You have no evidence that they - I have no real evidence, but one thing that made me really suspicious that this might be true is that I remember when I was a kid following this mission.

46:42And when the lunar module was coming back to Earth, the Atomic Energy Commission was just going ape over this. And they wanted the lunar module put on a trajectory that would put it into a deep ocean trench. And their level of concern was they said it was because it had a radioisotope thermoelectric generator on board. but their level of concern was a lot more consistent with it being a warhead. Whoa, that's fascinating. So they were that freaked out. Yeah, even though it might endanger the astronauts' lives to do that, they wanted that thing crashed into a deep ocean trench. They've had RTGs on spacecraft before that have reentered that they weren't that concerned about.

47:26It's really interesting. Yeah, it's funny. You know, there's actually an Air Force project that's documented called Project A119. And it was literally to nuke the moon as a show force against the Soviets. And Carl Sagan actually had a temporary clearance to look into doing this. So we know that in the late 50s, obviously before the Saturn and Apollo projects, that this was being considered. So who knows? I mean, you might be right, man. It's really interesting. Well, I know that if there were no aliens on the moon or anything else like that to worry about, I think the grays own the moon, by the way.

48:00and they told us not to come back without permission anyway. And that's... You think they said don't come back without permission? Well, Armstrong was overheard at a party saying that. Really? Yeah. What party? Some party in Washington, D.C. with big wigs, and several people said that he said that. And he said that the Greys said... That's hearsay, but... The Greys said don't come back until we give you permission. Something to that effect, yeah. Any other details there?

48:30Well, some whistleblowers at NASA said that he was on a private channel after landing on the moon and said that a spacecraft landed on the moon right after they did, a couple miles away, and were watching him. And it was probably the same one that they said they saw following him. So the whole Apollo 11 crew said a few years ago on television that there was some object following him to the moon. They thought it was the third stage of their booster at first, but NASA confirmed that the booster was like 700 miles away. And this object was maybe only about 5 or 10 miles from them. Jesus Christ. And you definitely have documented audio from the Gemini missions.

49:20Oh, yeah. And then there's a literally like they're freaking out about UFOs. There's an outage, you know, showing some sort of electromagnetic anomaly present. And then in the I have this book, actually, the Simpkinson textbook that shout out to my buddy Chris Ramsey from the great show Area 52. He made me aware of this book where this UFO is like airbrushed into the photo for the Gemini 11 mission where it's this like kind of tongue in cheek joke. If you're, you know, this is official NASA archivist airbrushed this UFO, which looks like the best UFO photo ever. Well, the astronauts used to admit to it long ago before the security was that tight.

50:00And I think they were seeing these things almost every mission in the early days. So wild. How many people do you think are walking around with alien implants inside of them? Well, the people that they implant, they've abducted about 3 % of the American population, according to Dr. Lear. I think that's about right. It's probably between 3 % and 5 % to take samples. What is he basing that off of? Is this like sort of census style like extrapolation? His own research and extrapolation. Okay. And based on what I have seen, most what I call class two experiencers that are actually at the next level part of the alien program have implants.

50:47But the first class where they just take samples from do not generally. and about, I would say very roughly about one in a thousand people are class two experiencers in this country and it might be similar worldwide, I'm not sure. So if that's the case, then say there's 350 million people in the U.S., that would be about 350 ,000 people. It's a lot of people walking around with implants. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's like 10 to 15 million for experiencers overall and then class two experiencers who get the implants around a few hundred thousand. And a standard procedure for them to put a brain implant into class two experiencers that enables them to access your sensory information to see what you're seeing and hear what you're hearing and probably hear what you're thinking in real time.

51:38So you're like an almost an avatar or something like there. You're this perceptual like drone for them or something. It turns you into a walking bug and it connects you to the gray hive mind. They told me that too. And all individuals in their society are connected to a hive mind, kind of like the Borg on Star Trek, but they have a little bit more individuality than that. And every experience they have is recorded.

52:08And so if all these people are implanted, then they presumably only put the brain implants into people that they can get some good information from. So being that that's the case, they probably know everything that's going on in the society. We have Eric Mitchell here, who we did an amazing show with yesterday. And he's, you know, what you might call kind of a super experiencer. You guys are friends. You've found a few different implants in Eric. Is that right? I don't remember what the results were offhand. And my records got stolen recently, but I'd like to do the exam again. But, yeah, I saw some indications of implants in Eric, and we found some dyes on them recently, alien dyes.

52:54We haven't talked about that yet. So before we get to the dyes, the implants, what are we calling indicators of implants? Well, I have a protocol that is mostly Dr. Lear's protocol that he turned me on to. And you first inspect the patient with a stud finder, a small metal detector that detects conductive objects into the skin and concentrate on any areas of concern first where they think they might have an implant from anything they remember or any symptoms they might have had. and if you record the areas where you get stud finder hits, then you go over the person with a gauss meter, a sensitive magnetometer.

53:42And if you get an area that has a stud finder and a gauss meter hit, that's almost certainly an implant. These implants almost always have magnetic fields. So have you had a stud finder and a magnetometer, you know, this gas finder hit for Eric? I think we had two, if I recall. Eric, do you remember where exactly they detected one of these implants? Back to my neck, my arm, and Dr. Lear, he thought maybe the wife might be one in my knee. It was like a weak signal. So he sent me a 100-pound neodymium magnet, which I should have been very careful opening that box a little more careful. It was like a cartoon.

54:33It was probably dangerous. Yeah, it was dangerous. But he wanted me to hold it to my name maybe 10 minutes a day, watching TV or something like that, put it back in the bubble wrap, make sure it's safe, and then pull it back out the next night and keep doing that. And he didn't think that it would pull it to the surface. He theorized that it would create like an eddy bubble, an eddy effect, to kind of loosen it from the tissue and bring it to the surface, which actually worked. And so do you have any incisions or marks or any sort of raised skin where either of these implants are? No. Okay. Have you removed anything?

55:14No. Okay, no. two weeks before I was supposed to meet with Dr. Roger there in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. He unfortunately passed away. Yeah, the portals of entry with these implants heal incredibly fast. Mine healed within hours. So, whoa, you're not going to find anything like that. How many implants do you have like photo evidence of? six or seven, I think. Could you send some of those over? It'd be cool to show them to the audience in post-production. Sure, yeah. Sweet, thank you. And, yeah. So what are you working on now? What is, is it Neutron Nano Star Tech? Yeah, I have a company called Neutron Star Technologies and Neutron Star Nano Technologies is like a spinoff of that.

56:10And I've been just trying to get that funded and utilize some of the carbon nanotube knowledge I have to maybe produce some products. And I've been doing scans on experiencers. Cool. And I've done probably 400 scans on people. So of those 400 scans, how many produce a hit? Well, it's a pre-selected audience. So probably about half. About half. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. And at this point, are you sort of, you're known as like, you know, Roger Lear's, you know, living apprentice. And so people hit you up. Yeah. Sometimes, yeah. Okay. So fascinating. What, what, how old were you when you had your experience?

57:01I remember having experience at age five where I think that's when they put the brain implant I remember waking up before dawn and seeing a bright yellow lit-up UFO, disc-shaped UFO hovering over my parents' house. And then I watched it for a couple of minutes and blacked out. Then woke up about 8 o 'clock in the morning and the sun was up. And I had blood all down the front of me and had a vague memory of somebody putting something up my nose. Jesus. And this was so this is age five. This is well before the toe experience. Yeah. And where are you living at the time? Oxnard, California. OK. What did your parents do?

57:49Not much. They just slowly had a nosebleed. Wow. I mean, what did they do professionally? My dad was a dentist and was a colonel in the Army Reserve. And my mother was an assistant at one point and a bookkeeper at one point and was a housewife the rest of the time. And did they freak out when they saw you with blood running down? What was their reaction? Not really. I mean, my parents were not the type that freaked out about that sort of thing. Interesting. That might be because of alien conditioning. Did they have their own experiences? My father admitted much later that he'd had dreams of being on board a UFO.

58:41And he said he saw a UFO one time over Central California. Wild. A cylindrical UFO with a red light on the front, he said. As a colonel in the reserves, did he have any sort of affiliation with any possible reverse engineering programs or like deeper, spookier work? I don't think so, but I think there's a lot he was reluctant to tell me. And he said he did call the nearest military airfield to where he had the sighting and reported it. Yeah. It's fascinating. And so, okay, so wow. So you're five years old. You see this bright object. Do you remember vividly being on that craft? No, you don't. Okay.

59:28So you just wake up. I think they came down into my room to put it in that time. And where's the implant? It's in the brain. It's in the brain. It's in the frontal lobes of the brain. And do you still have it there? I'm sure I do. Wild. And I've got one above each year, apparently. I wasn't sure about those. I saw them on x-ray barely, but they're really, really small. But they started giving off radio signals during a Japanese TV show I was filming. Oh, my God. What were you doing? So I know they're there now. What were you doing on Japanese TV? They wanted to interview somebody with implants.

1:00:05Wow. And you're five years old and you have blood all over. And, gee, that's traumatic, man. That's like a tough, crazy thing to go through. Well, this experience is pretty traumatic for a lot of people. Yeah. It's like there's certain advantages to it. You get to fly in space. I mean, a lot of these abductions take place on great motherships in orbit. Yeah. And I remember seeing the Earth from space being up there.

1:00:37But you just have to take the bad with the good. I mean, I hate to tell people this, but these people are way too powerful to fight. Yeah. And they're experts at mind control. They can make you do anything you want, anything they want you to do willingly. Of the, I don't even know how to answer, to talk about that. In the 200 out of the 400 that you personally found implants in, do these people have usually UFO experiences associated with the implants? Or in certain cases, is it like people coming into their room sort of thing? Uh, they usually remember, um, seeing UFOs and or remember being on, on board UFOs, but, um, it's both.

1:01:25I mean, sometimes they come into your room and, uh, do whatever they need to do. And other times, um, they come and get you and take you up, up to orbit. And if they want to do anything special or whatever. Do you think at any point in time, some of the mind control stuff we discussed earlier was like aliens were used as sort of some sort of smoke screen for that? Like it was like there's a book called Controllers by a guy named Martin Cannon. And he talks about MK Ultra, but then the air MK often and how there are implants involved in some of these things and how they would shade people's experiences to make them think that they were alien.

1:02:05And to be honest, it's kind of a slim, poorly researched book that doesn't, for me, explain everything neatly at all. But yeah, what's your take? I think that that may occur. I think that MKUltra might do that sometimes. But I think that the vast majority of the experiences people have are more or less what happened and really are aliens. I have no doubt in my mind that the aliens are here and they exist. and there's more than one species involved. Yeah, I mean, there's so many cases that I also encounter where I'm like, you just can't explain that with human prosaic tech. I do find it interesting.

1:02:45You were at UCLA in the 80s. You know who was head of the UCLA psychiatry department at that time. Are you aware? I probably was. This guy named Jolly West? Did you ever interact with him at all? No, no. He was like a head honcho in the MKUltra stuff. Wow. I'm not surprised. I did used to work at the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute as a researcher for about five years. He probably had authority over that branch, I bet. He might have. Yeah, I don't know. But definitely a spooky, not great guy. I think he got in trouble for like dosing up an elephant with a ridiculous amount of LSD. And then the elephant died.

1:03:26And he's on record. There are letters between him and Sidney Gottlieb. And there's a great book called Chaos by a guy named Tom O 'Neill. He's become a friend of mine. And he basically has this hypothesis that Charles Manson was this MKUltra patient. And it's really crazy. He may have been. I think that that guy that shot...

1:03:52And John Lennon was an MKUltra guy. And I think Sirhan Sirhan that shot Robert Kennedy was too. I think so as well. Yeah. Yeah. So that's this, it's a weird threat. So there's that stuff. And then what do you think the implants are doing when it comes to the alien? You think it's just tagging, it's biometrics, and then maybe there's some mind control stuff going on. It's perceptual hacking. I don't know. I don't know all the details of what they do. They keep that, the aliens keep that mostly secret, but I think some of them are medical monitoring devices. Some of them are tracking devices. And some are the brain implants actually enable them to hear and see what you're hearing and seeing in real time.

1:04:43Does any of the structure that you've investigated kind of allow you to see what the functionality might be? Because you're looking into nanotechnology, so presumably this would use nanotechnology. They do, yeah. They're sophisticated nanotechnological devices. Most of them have carbon nanotube electronics built into the metal, and that's beyond our technology. And there's strange structures. I can show you some of the electron micrographs. Please. And there's very strange structures that would be beyond our technology to form right now. I'm not sure what they do, but I suspect that has something to do with emitting the radio signals.

1:05:28Of a lot of these people you encounter, is it usually greys? Is it sometimes Nordics or reptilians or some of these other sort of archetypes? I remember seeing mostly different types of greys on board the craft. the real short worker type grays and the ones about four and a half feet tall that I call the scientist engineer types. And I have a handler that's one of those. And I think most class two experiences have a handler. What do you, when you say handler, what does that mean? A contact person that is in charge of your case on board ship. Whoa. So a being. Yeah, being, yeah. And how do you, like, are you still telepathically in touch with that handler or something?

1:06:15I have reason to believe I am. I think he's hearing this whole conversation right now. Whoa. What's up, handler? And they record everything that is experienced by every member of their society, and that includes class two experiencers. When you get the brain implant, it connects you to the great high of mind, like I said. This is wild. Does any part of you think that humans discovered, you know, there's this, I think in the early 2000s, there was this concern of the like runaway gray goo nanotech, you know, scenarios. And nanotech was all the rage in the early 2000s. And then it sort of like went away.

1:06:54And does any part of you think that humans can do any of this stuff like in deep black contexts? I think that nanotechnology is not that dangerous as long as you don't design some microprobe that's self-replicating. Right. Yeah, that was the Grey Goose scenario. Even if you did, I'm not sure it would be all that dangerous. But I think what is dangerous is AI. If they ever do develop true self-aware AI, I think that would be extraordinarily dangerous. Yeah, seems like. The aliens don't believe in it, so I think that's why. Yeah. They believe in computers, but they're controlled by minds. Do you think there are good and bad factions of aliens, or do you think they're all good or all bad?

1:07:40No, I think there's good and bad factions. The beings that implanted you, think good or bad? They're mainly out for themselves, but they're not scum-sucking evil either. I mean, they want humanity to mature into a more peaceful species and become members of the Galactic Federation or whatever you want to call it. But they're mostly here to mine the Earth and the Moon and collect biological samples. I mean, that seems reasonable and not bad. What do you think of modern— But they don't care about the suffering they inflict on people. That's one bad thing about them. um that they have everything is for the group with them they're they're a collective mind um they don't care about individuals they just care about what's best for the group why do you think they care so much about nuclear they seem to show up some of my favorite interviews have been these guys that are often in their 70s and 80s at this point they worked at nuclear bases all over the u.s and in certain cases they board crafts they have implants you know they're close encounters of the third kind and I guess what you're calling kind of type two, you know, abductions or something.

1:08:55Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of top military people are implanted and the aliens keep tabs on them. But I think they don't want us having nukes because A, it makes us too powerful. B, it has the great potential to screw up the planet, screw up a lot of their plans for this place and see it can damage the planet's life force. I've reasonably, there are structures in the ether that contribute to life on this planet somehow and a nuclear blast could disrupt that, at least in the general area where it was detonated. And they said also that it screws up their communications and leads to problems in other dimensions that they didn't want to go into.

1:09:42Yeah. No, that is interesting about, like, they seem to show up at nuclear disaster. Like, there's literally this monk at this Shinto temple in Fukushima. And when they had their 2011 famous nuclear spill due to the earthquake, he was like, the UFO showed up and cleaned up the temple. They were trying to alleviate the radiation. Exactly.

1:10:08There's a Harvard PhD named Jensen Andreessen who writes about basically a similar experience in Chernobyl. And they measured this like nuclear tower before and after. And so I think it goes beyond just them not wanting us to blow ourselves up. There's something about the ambient electromagnetic radiation of just the Earth that is this perfect kind of Petri dish, you know, biosphere. Yeah, that makes sense. There's maybe the Earth is actually emitting some of this, but there's structures in the ether that are life-giving and that might even resurrect some extinct species at some point in time.

1:10:47And nuclear blasts could disrupt that and radiation in general can disrupt that. And also the government's known for years, the aliens definitely have this technology, and the government's known for years that you can actually affect the decay rate of radioisotopes by certain scalar electromagnetic waves. Scalar waves are a special form of electromagnetic radiation that has a different structure. It's a more fundamental form of electromagnetic radiation than the transverse waves they talk about in the textbooks. and it interacts with the nuclei rather than the electrons and atoms like transverse waves do.

1:11:26Explain what a scalar wave is because scalar physics and scalar waves are often thrown around in these super hand wavy ways and yet they're often used as terms you know like extended electrodynamic scalar waves by people who I really respect in kind of aerospace world so So what's your definition? They're trying to keep it secret. But enough has got out to know the basics. A guy, Dr. Tom Bearden, talked about this a lot in his books, if you've read any of those. Yeah. And anyway, a scalar wave, a transverse wave, EM wave, is a wave that has the E and the B fields perpendicular to each other. And it moves in a manner perpendicular to both.

1:12:09And the E and the B fields are in phase. In a scalar wave, the electric and magnetic fields are 90 degrees out of phase. And the magnetic field curves around like that. And the electric field radiates as if it's coming from a positive or negative charge point. And it's like a sound wave in the ether, basically. And it can travel faster than light. They're not restricted to light speed. So I've heard similar things to that. And then the two places I always get frustrated is I'm like, have we ever measured a scalar wave? And usually the answer, like, have we? Do you think we have? I think they have lots of times.

1:12:52How would we measure? Classified labs. But I have reason to believe that I haven't done the experiments yet. I'd love to get in the lab and do some. Some sort of quantum sensor. I have reason to believe that you can generate scalar waves with standard radio equipment, but a different type of antenna. You'd use a dome-shaped antenna, capacitive antenna with, say, a plastic dome with metal on both sides, and you connect the electrodes of the oscillator to each metal piece. Fascinating. Okay. And why do you think that that design would allow you to transmit scalar wave? Townsend Brown's work, basically.

1:13:38Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, he had an asymmetric capacitor where the negative electrode was larger than the positive electrode. But I think basically my sense is that the main thing is big electric field differentials. If you create big electric field differentials, then you can somehow harness the quantum vacuum fluctuation stuff. Yeah, high voltages work better with that, I have reason to believe. I wish I had some concrete proof for you, but just reading all this stuff that's available and thinking about it a lot, I've put this together. But yeah, I think high voltages should work better for that.

1:14:15Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah, I mean, high voltages definitely correlate with high electric field strength, and then there are ways to amp up the electric field strength kind of artificially as well. But it's so fascinating. So what are you trying, how do we advance on this topic now? Are we just in the stone age when we find these implants? Are we just like, we think this works like X, Y, Z, but we just have no idea what we're kind of looking at? Well, I think the next step is we have to do more research on the implants while they're still in the body and try to measure exactly how much they're transmitting and try to decode some of the signals.

1:14:56And after they're removed from the body, I think we need to try to connect the carbon nanotube bundles that are like the main connections to the device, we should try stimulating those with different voltages and see what happens under an electron microscope or under microscopy in general. It wouldn't have to be an EM for that, I guess. Is there anybody else systematically looking into this besides you? No. And then the third thing I would do is use fast atom bombardment to shave off the devices layer by layer and map the distribution of elements in each layer and the distribution of carbon nanotubes.

1:15:42That would be fascinating. I mean, if you could do some atom-by-atom analysis, that would be also just groundbreaking because if these things are fabricated on the atomic layer, then that's not something that we can do. They look like they're grown somehow. That's so wild. Like they're biological themselves or something. Or nanotechnological. They looked like they were grown by some sort of mechanical life, like the Transformers on the movies.

1:16:14That's a hand-waving thing, I guess, but that's the best I can do right now. But putting a device like that so complex together by standard methods would be next to impossible, I think. Mm-hmm. And the other thing I wanted to say is that when I first got into this, I thought the aliens are probably only a few hundred years in advance of us technologically. But now I think that it might be more like a million years in advance of us. Why is that? Well, they show off once in a while and show experiencers exactly how far ahead of us they really are. And one incident that really impressed me was that they zapped my car with some kind of an energy weapon when I was going to Dr.

1:17:13Lear's office to film him testing the implant while I was still in the body. and the mechanic said later that the computer in the car was fried like it was supposed to EMP or something. And so I had to walk like, they did it when I was in this canyon, didn't get any cell phone reception, so I had to walk like two miles down the canyon to get cell phone reception and call him. And he and the film crew showed up and picked me up and brought me to the office. And when we got to the office, he goes, Steve, come here, you got to see this. and he'd pulled my x-ray out of a stack of x-rays and um um it was in a stack with about 200 other x-rays and um he showed it to me and the lettering from the outside of the envelope that the x-ray was in had somehow been transferred to the developed x-ray film what yeah i'm not even sure in theory how i could do that so that's like root access to reality levels of manipulation or something.

1:18:20Something like that. That is bizarre. Another time, my son and I were driving to our old vacation place in Bullhead City, Arizona, and we were on Highway 40 out in a remote area. And I saw this bright white light hovering over this valley about five or 10 miles away. And it was really bright. And I go, hey, look, Garrett, there's a UFO. And he goes, what? He goes, I don't see anything and i'm like how could you not see that it's like as bright as venus and um so i was tripping out on that and go well you know and um then um a few miles down the road uh he started seeing ones that i couldn't see it's like they can they can control who sees them uh and who doesn't i don't know how they do that either yeah not not only signature management but like unique signature management for the person perceiving.

1:19:21Yeah, I have some theories about how they might manage to cloak themselves in general by various methods, but... What do you think it is? Selective seeing like that sounds a little hard to do. That seems really hard to do. Do you think... Yeah, it's like the access to our brains and they have access to the signature management stuff. Do you think that we have reverse engineering programs and crash retrievals? Oh, yeah, I think that's all true. Yeah. Do you have any, what's your like, you know, highest conviction, hardest evidence on that? Because you seem like an evidence-based person. Well, I analyzed some of the records from the San Agustin, New Mexico UFO crash and analyzed a piece of an alien orb or sphere from the time Emerson got a hold of.

1:20:10and um was this the buga sphere or not the buga sphere but another one the buga is a different different design but um uh this one um was about about this big round and it had um a large um vaporized uh from the looks of it um holes in the the north and the south poles of the sphere the edges of the holes had been damaged by tremendous heat. And Masson bought it from a farmer that farmed about 100 miles south of the U.S. border near Brownsville, Texas on the east coast of Mexico. And he said that when it crashed, it produced an explosion that killed a cow 100 meters away. Whoa. And if there was a strong magnetic field around the craft, which I have reasonably there was, then the collapse of the magnetic field is what released the energy that vaporized the metal at the top and bottom.

1:21:18why do you think this whole topic it's like it attracts a few really smart people like yourself and then you have so much circumstantial evidence like an abundance of circumstantial evidence and then somehow it's like the one smoking gun that we always want is slips through your fingers and i'm talking about this as a person who's i'm deeply my revealed preference is that i'm like deeply interested in this stuff. I think there's a there there. I'm not a skeptic, but it's like this, like, it's always like the hard drive goes missing at the end. The photo is a little too blurry for like the consensus to believe it.

1:21:57It's so frustrating. It depends what you consider a smoking gun. I think that these, um, uh, extremely, um, skewed isotopic ratios might be considered a smoking gun. And, um, the fact that, um, A lot of these pieces are nanotechnological devices beyond our technology. And like that sphere was made of a titanium alloy that had carbon nanotubes also built into the metal, which I think provided thrust by the Bifield-Brown effect. It did? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know what else could have made it fly. Do you have this thing? Not anymore. It got stolen. It got stolen? Yeah. Who stole it? my family, if you can believe that.

1:22:45Oh man, I'm sorry. Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah. Why they, they took it. Yeah. I still do have some other alien stuff, but, but yeah, I, I can't find it anymore. And I have a reason to believe it was in some stuff that they stole. Jesus Christ, man. I'm so sorry. That's messed up. It's not cool. No. Do you have, is it, how does your family view? I mean, your, your wife is here. She's absolutely lovely. and I can tell she's interested in this topic. Do you have other family, and what do they think of your interest in all this stuff? Well, my ex-wife is a Christian fundamentalist or says she is because of her family's convictions, and she has, I think, convinced my kids that I'm of the devil or something along those lines.

1:23:36Jesus, I'm sorry about that. And my mother is kind of unstable and also has kind of turned my kids against me as well. She's afraid I'll embarrass her by going on the air, putting stuff on the internet, things like that. Well, I'm sorry, man. I think your brain is a gift to humanity. And so we don't know where this object is that was taken from you? No, I don't know. Oh, damn, that's crazy. And then what about the piece from St. Augustine crash in New Mexico? I still have some of that. That's fascinating. Yeah. And have you done, you've done isotopic analysis on that, and that has isotope ratios that are weird?

1:24:17The isotopic ratios on that were not that remarkable. So that material may have come from Earth. It may have some manufacturing facilities on Earth, too. What material is it? Like, what element? It's mainly aluminum. Okay. The sphere was a titanium alloy that with carbon nanotubes built into the metal and small like half millimeter voids introduced into the metal to lower the density. So it had tremendous strength and was stronger than most any titanium alloy I know of. But it was about the same density as aluminum. And when you say Byfield Brown, you're just assuming that that's the anti-gravitational force created through this.

1:25:02You could make capacitors out of the carbon nanotubes. The carbon nanotubes had a capacitive dielectric coating on them in this case. So it seems a reasonable assumption. So interesting. And you could use that spherical shape as a receiver for scalar energy. Tesla was trying to do that to power flying vehicles. Did he have designs for flying? Yeah, I know he had worked at Warden's. I think he actually flew some. Really? There's rumor, how's it? Really? Yeah. Where are those rumors? I didn't know about that. It's amazing.

1:25:36There's a book called Lost Science, I believe it's in there. It's hard to get a hold of now. Do you have any footage of the implant being taken out of any of these patients? I'm not sure. I may have like one or two pieces like that. I definitely have a lot of photos and stuff like that. It'd be amazing to show as much as we can, just because I think the average person, this is so far out. Yeah. I mean, it's way people don't believe it because it's so far outside what we're taught. Yeah. And the government's done their best to punish people that believe in this in various ways. Yeah, I feel like I have to ask this question, but I feel like it's important for you because you've seen like a very lovely person.

1:26:21I've really enjoyed this conversation. If you Google your name, for whatever reason, this OKC bombing thing shows up. And so I just want to give you an opportunity to address what that is. A massive car bomb exploded outside of a large federal building in downtown Oklahoma City, shattering that building, killing children, killing federal employees, military men and civilians. Oh, yeah. Well, I got in trouble with the feds 30 years ago on a gun charge, weapons charge, and I got investigated along with 14 ,000 other people that were into similar things at that time. and they, near as I can figure, the ATF was trying to punish me for not cooperating in their investigation by trying to link me to that bombing.

1:27:15Oh, they were just trying to link you to that? Yeah. And you never knew Timothy McVeigh or anything like that? No, they never had any proof of any of that. That's so weird. In fact, I found out from a guy that's writing a book on Oklahoma City that I was cleared early on in the investigation, but they kept on saying out on the news that - That sucks, man. It almost makes me think there's some sort of campaign against you because like, why is there so much online? I think there is. I think they're trying, I think they're, they're taking full advantage of that whole thing to try to discredit my UFO research now.

1:27:47Yeah. And you never crossed paths with McVeigh at all. You never even met the guy? No, I never met the guy. That's so crazy. And he didn't have a UCLA connection or anything like that? No. Okay. No. That's weird, man. I'm sorry. Well, you know, if I wrote down everything that's occurred in my life in an autobiography, I don't think anybody would believe it. Yeah. But I experienced it, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what's anything come to mind? Well, just all this stuff. And, you know, first they try to link me to this Oklahoma thing. And then the aliens show up. And, you know, just a very odd series of events.

1:28:26Yeah. Yeah. And is there, is there anything about your, is there anything about your father, his history that might be related? So you said at the end of his life, he sort of admitted that he was, you know, um, uh, maybe, you know, was taken up on a craft. Do you think he was doing any sort of covert work in any of these areas or? I'm not sure. I don't think he was doing any covert work, but he kept things pretty close to his chest. So I think if he was, I'd be the last person he would have told. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what would have even been going on at Oxnard specifically, but yeah. Yeah.

1:29:06Well, there's a military base near there that was very important at one time, Point McGoo. Okay. Point McGoo. What did they do at Point McGoo? Tested a lot of missiles. submarine-launched missiles and air-to-air missiles mostly. Okay. It's fascinating, man. Well, I really hope you get all the support for your work. You're trying to raise money for this company, is that right? Neutron Star Nanotech? Yeah. The economy being so bad right now, I haven't had a whole lot of success, but I'm still hoping to get that off the ground. Well, hopefully this gets amplified among people with deep pockets who are interested, I think in supporting, you know, some of the most frontier science and work?

1:29:47Oh, very wealthy people have come forward a couple of times and wanted to support my work, but it fell through. And I had reason to believe at the time that the government told him not to do it. Really? Yeah. Robert Bigelow was going to hire me for his company at one time too, and that also fell through. It's very strange. What do you think it is, you know, with Bigelow in a lot of these guys, it's like, there's this desire to get into this stuff and you really want to know. And then things get like dark at a certain point. Like it's, it's, it's sort of, it's, it's a very, and I find this, you know, uh, with my own inquiries into the topic where like, it's just, uh, it's hard to navigate because there's a lot of weird stuff.

1:30:32You know, it's, there's a lot, there are a lot of bad, there's a lot of bad energy. And then there's, there's good energy too. There are amazing people in this field, but a lot of people are attracted to it. for the wrong reasons. And there's, I think there's even like a, like an old Testament line about trying to use, trying to go into, you know, kind of sacred stuff using with a commercial impulse and that being like this really, you know, bad thing to do. Having said that, I think we live in a capitalist system and like the only thing that kind of works in the modern day is like started a company around the thing.

1:31:08So I'm not like anti all companies, you know, I used to invest in companies. So it's this weird, but it is this weird thing where I think if, if the motivation is to make money off the thing, it often goes South. And I, I don't know Bigelow. I'd love to interview him, but my, my sense is it sort of didn't pan out maybe in the way he wanted it to. Well, Dr. Lear told me that, that he started this aerospace company of his, um, because he had an alien experience of his own out in the desert and that they told him to meet them in space. Who said this? The aliens told him to meet them. They told Bigelow to meet them in space.

1:31:51Whoa, really? Yeah, I think that's true. So Bigelow had an experience and the aliens said, we'll meet you in space. Right. And then from then on, he like committed his life essentially to looking into all this stuff, UFO reverse engineering, hiring the alien implant specialist, like really? On the Bigelow Aerospace website, there was a little alien head too. Wow. Kind of like he was announcing that or. That is absolutely wild. The amount of stories you hear like that, like, I think Agnew Bonson, who he headed up the Institute for Field Physics and, you know, at North Carolina Chapel Hill. And he also funded Townsend Brown.

1:32:34So he's working on all this crazy anti-gravity stuff and hosting kind of the top gravity physicists in the world. Freeman Dyson, Feynman, Peter Bergman, all these guys convened. John Wheeler at the Institute of Field Physics in 1957 for this Chapel Hill conference. and he in his diaries talks about like the space brothers talking to him and possibly kind of prompting him to look into this stuff. Townsend Brown had similar experiences where he, he had space brother experiences that he discusses. So it's like you're being prompted by the beings to look into what their tech is or something. They, they, they talked to Tesla too, according to what to his writings.

1:33:10He said that. Yeah. In Colorado Springs, he said he communicated with aliens. Did you ever have anything like that? I mean, I have to ask you because you're working on all this stuff. Did the beings ever say, Steve, you are going to dedicate your life to alien research? I don't remember them saying that specifically, but I've always had an obsession with this kind of research and certain other things. and I think that they do that to a lot of people because once you get obsessed with the topic and you do all this research on it, if they have a brain implant in you, then they know it too at that point.

1:33:47So they're getting you to do their research for them. Yeah, it's like this weird distributed science model or something where they're collecting intel through these different scientific nodes or something. It's so trippy. Yeah, yeah. And we're all maybe there, science experiment. Who knows? Well, one of the obsessions, part of the reason I got into trouble before, one of the obsessions was with weapons. And I, you know, it's, I think that's kind of characteristic with some people that are class two experiencers. There was one guy that was most likely a class two experiencer that had a bunch of guns in his house.

1:34:29And it was a big to-do over that. So maybe it's a characteristic. I don't know. Fascinating. Well, Steve, I really appreciate this. It was a lot of fun. I feel like I could talk to you for hours. I can tell we're interested in a lot of the same stuff. And yeah, I really, really appreciate your time. Yeah, no problem. My pleasure. Awesome.

1:35:21We'll see you next time.

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