The Scientist That Scanned Beneath The Pyramids [Exclusive Interview]

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37:59Absolutely. It is very important. Cold fusion. Cold fusion is, I'm not interested in cold fusion, but I'm very passionate. I have a passion in cold fusion.

38:15when two

38:21hydrogen atoms are connecting together and they transform in a helium atom releasing energy because a helium atom has a weight less than two hydrogen atoms So by different mass, they generate energy in terms of electromagnetic waves. This kind of, let's say, union can be done or forcing the atoms together or persuading them to be naturally connected. That's called fusion, is the second. You have to find a method to persuade, to convince the two atoms to go together, naturally, without forcing them. That's called fusion. Hot fusion is the first one. But I tell you that hot fusion, the various tokamak that they are designing or other kind of hot fusion given by pumping energy, designing very powerful lasers.

39:50Lasers, magnetic confinement. I can tell you personally, that is the energy of the future. It means that we'll never find the present. What do you mean? That don't work. It doesn't work. It's the energy of the future. Ah, hot fusion. No, I agree. It'll always be of the future. I fully agree because it's extremely hard to make it work. And basically for the audience, controlled fusion is the holy grail. We only have fusion in the form of hydrogen bombs right now, which is obviously a very dystopian thing. And with tokamak receptors, it feels like kind of like a fool's errand or like almost self-defeating because of the amount of energy input to make the thing in the first place.

40:40And it is very high energy. And so there's all these lore, rumors of cold fusion. I'd say Pons and Fleischmann are probably the most credible of the rumors. I think so, yes. Yeah. And that would be this groundbreaking thing because if you had an over-unity reaction with low energy input, it's like paradigm shifting for humanity. It's free energy, yeah. And what do they find that Fleischmann and Pons and also Giuliano Verbarata and the Niro de Judice after was how can we persuade two hydrogen atoms to go together because there are the atomic forces that the most you can find those atoms and they will never go together.

41:29Yeah, you have Coulomb's force, which is repulsion, electron repulsion. So how do you persuade them? Okay. How do you do that? Like where are two people that they do not talk to each other, no? No, I don't want to talk to you. Yeah, yeah. So maybe a third person comes here and persuades you and me to talk together. And that third person was the atom of palladium. Palladium is a special, let's say, material that it's able to persuade two atoms of hydrogen to go together and become magically an atom of helium. and the fusion reaction is done by palladium. And also electricity. So deuterium, palladium, electricity, and electricity, and this recipe allows the cold fusion.

42:38There was problems about the quantity, the amount of energy, that was very little. But if the research from the 80s to now were performed, maybe today we can have better results with respect to the 80s, when the first experiment of Fleischmann and Pons was announced. Do you think that the pyramid was a nuclear fusion machine? Please give me another request. I don't know. Well, is there... The more specific question would be, when you were talking about water transferring information, where does that leave us as far as what it could be? Like, is there... My personal opinion could be, but I say...

43:26Is there any evidence that palladium was involved in? We don't know. As I tell you, you have to go down and see and explore what is in really that... What's a Jitsa? Yeah. It can't be tombs. Well, I think that it's funny. Like it used to be conventional dogma that they were all tombs. Now you have, you had Graham Hancock for the last 30 years being like, it's not a tomb. Now people are like, okay, maybe it's not a tomb. And so it's slowly, slowly following, you know, do you think that mapping to, um, Orion's belt around 10 ,500 BC, there's something somehow important with that. Because if you basically, yeah, they do map to Orion's belt.

44:15Orion's belt plays a very important role in a lot of different traditions. Even like Ptolemy said that the soul's path was through Orion's belt. I asked Graham Hancock on my show, I said, what do you think the pyramids were for if they weren't tombs and he gave me a very trippy answer he said something about you know ascending through them like once maybe a pharaoh has died they're buried there and then it's it's like an ascension portal or something when it comes to the pyramids themselves lining up with the ryan's belt ryan's belt history has always across many cultures been the place of ascension of souls absolutely it is it is here in in north america uh and and in central america and in south america the path of souls, that idea that on death, our soul makes a kind of leap up to the heavens and then makes a journey along the Milky Way, and that that journey is full of challenges and difficulties on which we will be assessed for the use we made of the incredible gift of life.

45:19That idea is found all over the world. Have you considered any of these things? My bad son, we don't know. Yeah. No. There is something, the GIZO has to be something that is related to give a better life of the people at the time living there. So maybe an energy power plant, something related to chemical, something related to, I don't know, mining, something related, but or a combination of everything. So there is something that is related to make better living people there. And speaking of water, aren't there rumors of a water table also? Yes. Below the Copper Pyramid? Yes. Below the Copper Pyramid, there is water.

46:13Absolutely, yes. Because we found water in the Osiris shaft at minus 33, 37 meters approximately. I don't remember precisely. There is water. But I have to, in my personal opinion, I have to say this. Water cannot be everywhere. Maybe we find water in the Osiris shaft, we move a bit on the left or on the right or on the north or on the south and there is not water. So it's not mathematical that we find water everywhere in Jitsa. That's the first thing. Then I will explain to you what the CAFRE research project is moving on, because it's related to the water. Because as I told you, water is the principal actor of Jitsa.

47:06Well, before we get to that, I want to give you one more. The skeptics say you can't go that deep. With Doppler tomography, we can definitely go a thousand meters deep, a kilometer deep. It's possible. Absolutely, yes. And we have in other cases? Because vibrations are traveling inside the limestone and 2, I don't remember, 2.5 kilometers per second, something like that. Sorry if I make a mistake because I don't remember precisely, but the author is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the image that went viral all over the internet of the coils and this like, you said 4x4, you know, 16 pillars, energy grid.

47:49The other critique. four plus four not times so eight plus four oh so eight pillars no all good so eight pillars you know in this shape of an energy grid you have um sabina hausenfelder is this physicist she makes this video she's very nice she was nice and she was i think pretty open-minded in her video but at the end she said i think that the ai reconstruction of the image is taking liberties because basically for the audience, you have tomography scans. So that's the raw data. And then you have what went viral all over the internet, which is these image reconstructions. That's the pillars with the perfect coils that everybody's seeing.

48:34So it's beyond my expertise. Like, do you think that that's a faithful rendition of what you actually measured, the pillars with the coils? The shape is that. the shape of the doppler tomography was recasting a spiral form so we can't say that are I don't know copper coils or they are what we can't understand we can't understand is this we can't understand that maybe can be I don't know stairs that are going down or I don't know they are cables that are going down, what we understand is they have, it is something that has a spiral nature. Yeah. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs.

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50:10You know what to do. Order on the Sweetgreen app. But that's all. Are you like 100 % sure it's man-made? Not, we couldn't naturally. No, 100%, yes, it's man-made. Yeah. This, I can't. Because you don't find things in nature that coil in perfect, you know. It's man-made. Okay. It's man-made. Okay. So that's easy to say definitively. You never see anything in any of your other subsurface scans that look anything like that. No, no, no. Absolutely not. Okay. And then it's a question of what's the material and, you know, but you feel like you have some decent resolution. You think that it is these circular pillars, something wrapping around it.

50:59Maybe it is hard to say which kind of material it is. or for now, maybe if we have hundreds of tomographies with the ground truth, we can also understand the acoustic fingerprint and maybe we can move into material recognition. And that's what we are working now because we like to move this technique for mining today mining is very important also in the United States or other countries we need rare earth materials, we need gold today gold is very important we see the gold price going up every day why? because in this moment technology is exploding we need rare earth materials for our devices because there is AI, because there is, I don't know, NVIDIA that has to build a lot of, sorry by saying NVIDIA or other companies, the graphic cards that are very powerful.

52:18So we need rare earth materials. So now we are moving further. Maybe in some years we will be able to know which kind of material we are dealing. But now not, I'm not ready. So what we can say is, okay, that in that part of the tomogram, we have high vibrational energy and there we have lower vibrational energy. Depicting the pixels, we can represent that the underneath has a spiral nature. But we can't understand the type of material. And the AI reconstruction for the image, are you using generic software or your own software? Software, not AI. Okay. Oh, it's your own software. Yes, yes. And your own software, you use that in other contexts when you use...

53:09Absolutely, yes. ...SAR-Doppeler tomography? In the scientific community, it's called the pseudo-inversion of measurements. Okay. In order to retrieve tomographic analysis. Yeah. It's called the pseudo-inversion. But you do this a lot over the course of a year. Yeah. And you feel confident because you've, in the other cases, based on the software read, in certain cases, you probably can go down and verify what you're seeing. And in those cases, they usually check. They usually check out. They confirm what you see in the software. You are speaking about validation. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Have you been validated in other cases?

53:51We did a lot of validation experiments. I don't know because as a scientist, I have to validate, you know, how can I present my results like that? No, it's not possible. So, you know that validating things that are underneath is very difficult. Yeah, to go down is difficult. It's difficult. Yeah. But it's not impossible. Yeah. Have you done it ever? So the strategy that we have made is this. We know that there is a structure where we know everything about it in a certain depth. Okay, let's move there and we try to perform tomographic inversion there. So to see if our results are matching with reality.

54:50Have you done those experiments? Yes. Okay. Have you done a lot of them? Ecco. That's another point of view.

55:02Three or four experiments. Okay. I tell you it's very difficult to do. So we did measurements of the Gran Sasso d 'Italia physics laboratory. Okay. Okay. Located inside the mountain, it's 200 kilometers far from here. And we depicted the laboratory. Okay. That's our measurements and the reality. How accurate? Oh, 100%. 100%. Did you do it double blind? So you didn't... Can you explain me double blind, please? Yeah. So the way I would do the experiment in order to prove that SAR Doppler tomography is really effective is I would, if I were you, find somebody else who's a good practitioner of SAR Doppler tomography and who can get the scans somehow.

55:55I guess if you're using a satellite, you're using a satellite. So I don't know. But like somebody who isn't aware like you that you're doing a test and you say, okay, get the tomography scans. And do it you. And then you create an image based on the tomography scans with your software. Yes. And then see if that matches. Because you already probably know what the laboratory looks like. I didn't do that. Yes. It is important. Yes. We have to do it. Yes. We didn't do it. But it's still you've done your own scans and it lined up with what you saw. And then, okay, so that's pretty, yeah. Because, I mean, to me, artificial intelligence is just pattern matching.

56:38So the more data you have, the more you're like, okay, I've mapped this. And then I've also validated and seen it personally and myself physically measured it. And it lines up. If you have, you know, a lot of instances of that, I think we can kind of say that there's definitely something here. I just want to tell you this. Yeah. The rule of artificial intelligence in our technique. Mm. Okay. There is no rule because we didn't use artificial intelligence. Mm-mm-mm. Okay. It's funny. People keep saying it. Yeah. Let's forget artificial intelligence. I tell you how it works. Okay. It works like that.

57:19We have measurements. Huh. Okay. Yeah. We have a model. And I tell you what's the model. And we can, if we have the measurements and we have the model, we can pseudo-inverse the model. And so to retrieve the result. The result is tomography. Okay. Okay? And it works. Like that works. Yeah. Measurements, model, results. Not artificial intelligence. Did the data just come from one satellite or from multiple satellites? Multiple satellites. For the COFRA? Absolutely, yeah. And both… Four satellites. No, or I-Sci, Capella Space, Umbra Space, Cosmos, SkyMet, four satellites. All four? Yes. Wow. And all four gave you the same raw tomography data?

58:15I got the results there. That's amazing. That's really amazing. It is the basic things. We cannot announce anything without these basics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are scientific methods. And you've done four or so instances of validation in other cases to show that structures that you are measuring actually look like what you think they do. Yes. I don't know. We have measured also the Osiris shaft. Mm-hmm. Which is well known at the structure. The structure is well known. And the readings that you got in the synthetic aperture radar Doppler tomography matched? 100%. Wow. Okay. So that's pretty good.

59:01We don't have a double blind because I don't know what's the double blind. How deep down does that go? Eh, 37 meters, the last one. And then, but the Ausaris shaft goes down. Yeah. So it goes down for, uh, For a while. I don't remember. Okay. It's okay. Maybe I don't remember. I'm sorry. No, no, no. It's okay. So that's fascinating. I mean, that gives me a lot of confidence that there's something there. So, Filippo, what are the next steps of the CAFRA project? The next steps. We are moving to completing all the scanning. We are completing. We are nearly finished. We have nearly finished all the scanning.

59:50and now we are working on dealing with Egyptian authorities in order to request some authorization to go in situ and do some measurements Do you think that you'll get permission from the Egyptian authorities? Okay You know, in Italy, we have this kind of saying, like that, that is mixed with Latin. Chiedere humanum est, ottenere autem diabolicum. If I ask you something, if something is human, I can ask you something. But to obtain what I have asked you is another kettle of fish. So we are working on compiling a project proposal. Maybe the CAFRE research project can be at the center, so me, Armando and Corrado, and we can work together with the university.

1:01:12Let's say University of Ferrara.

1:01:18and maybe other companies that physically can work on Jizzo. So you want to get funding and work with an academic institution and then be able to... And do you think, because historically, and you saw it with Zahi Hawass going on Joe Rogan very recently. I discovered, I discovered, I discovered, I discovered now.

1:01:50You just have these people in charge who are close-minded. They're corrupt. Their incentives are to basically force-fit any new finding into the country's own history. And if something involves any civilization predating that country, they're going to have an allergic reaction to it. so how do you get around that i'm dealing with that a little bit because i've done some stories in peru and they have their own ministry of culture and they have gatekeepers as well and it's extremely frustrating and our mutual friend jay has experienced that as well so what uh yeah well i guess how do you get around that how do you get around the politics good question I went two weeks ago as I told you before I went in Egypt I found a nice country very nice people

1:02:53I don't know if all of them are open mind but maybe yes

1:03:02I found that they are very friendly and they love the parents they love the parents we

1:03:12In my personal opinion, we are not against them, but we are together. We are all together. It would be the best thing in the world for Egypt, for tourism, for national pride, if they found out that the pyramids had some elaborate substructure and some exotic functionality that we don't know of today. Today we don't know, but maybe in a couple of years, yes. It would be a groundbreaking discovery, a revelation, and it would be the best possible thing for Egyptian GDP in the world. It would be amazing. Like, I can't think of a better scenario for them. And I tell you, maybe these times we are ready to do it.

1:04:01Yeah. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? I like that attitude. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. The water thing is so interesting. What do you think as far as, you say water has information, and what is that? I mean, obviously there's a water table below the Khafra Pyramid, but why is that significant otherwise as far as the pyramid structure itself? When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes.

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1:05:25Make your move. Order on the Sweetgreen app. Yes, thank you for this question. It's important. water table while if the Egyptian authority will give us the authorization to go there in situ and make measurements maybe make some cleanings on the existing facilities we are not asking to go inside the pyramid and I tell you I tell you maybe we are asking to go on the Giza plateau. Because on the Giza plateau, there are, I don't know, you remember when you went there, some existing shafts that are located between the Kafir pyramid and the Sphinx. There are some shafts that are, that has the entrance on the surface of the plateau.

1:06:36But when you go there, you can see that they are blocked by debris. So there is soil inside. And according to our scans, we are confident, very confident, that those shafts are connected to the underground facilities that are located below Jitza. So it is not necessary to go inside the pyramids because the pyramids are something a bit more complicated, something more complicated to have authorization. Maybe it can be simpler, it can be better to have authorization staying on the plateau, not going inside the pyramids. And there we can do a lot of things. The first thing that we can do is to perform in situ measurements, so in situ measurements campaign using seismic reflectivity methods.

1:07:48Okay. Not Doppler tomography, other methods. So maybe to see if they match with my methods. And in that context, we will be able to map very precisely the water level under the plateau. That's the first thing that, in my personal opinion, we can do. Then we can measure perfect and so match the in-situ measurements with my measurements and see how the depth of the existing shafts that are located on the Giza plateau. The third step can be to clean those shafts. We can clean them because now they are blocked by debris. There are also other things like rubbish inside those shafts. So they have to be cleaned.

1:08:54And while we are cleaning the shafts, we can go down, down and down and see what there is at the end of them. In our personal opinion, that's a service entrance, a secondary entrance that connects that facility to the main facility that is located. Do you think we can turn the power grid back on? We do like that. Beam shoots out of the top of the perimeter. That's so interesting. And I mean, how does Dunn think that this is like a fusion generator? Does he think that? That we could produce over-unity energy from it? Chris has a very clear idea, and I agree with him, that the Jitza plateau is related to electricity.

1:10:00Or something that is very near to electricity. Such kind of electron generator energy. Electrons. And maybe it can be hypothesized at this. As I told you, water is very important. Maybe the water goes through these spirals and the spirals are made by piezoelectric material. And while the water is flowing through the spirals, are exciting this piezoelectric material that generates electricity. Something like that. But it's only in hypothesis. You have to go there and check. Interesting. And is Dunn, is he interested in Pons Fleischmann? We didn't talk about Pons Fleischmann. About fusion reactors, about this, about that kind of stuff.

1:11:13But maybe the next time I see him, I will ask him about this. Do these two Italian scientists you mentioned who were kind of adherents to Pons and Fleischmann, do you think, do they hypothesize that the pyramids themselves have anything to do with nuclear fusion? Unfortunately, I don't know. Okay. Because now the vote, they disappeared. They disappeared? Yes. What happened to them? Oh no, they are not with us anymore. Oh, they died. Yeah. Okay. But you said disappear. I mean, not in a mysterious way. No. Okay. Okay. Okay. Emilio del Giudice, I think in 2014, 2015, Giuliano Preparata earlier. Okay.

1:12:04Okay. In the beginning of the 2000s, something like that. but they were very clever. Armando May, who you have worked with and we just discussed for a little bit, he has very esoteric ideas, it seems. He talks about the number 237 and he talks about... 137, no? Oh, was it 137, sorry. What profound mystery lies hidden behind this number? For what reason did Richard Feynman, the great quantum physicist of the last century, so stubbornly insist on suggesting to his fellow physicists that they should affix a small plaque bearing this number upon the walls of their laboratories and then meditate upon it every single day of their lives.

1:12:47Why did Leon Liedemann, the 1988 Nobel laureate in physics, make a point of telling people he had lived in a house numbered 137? 137 in quantum physics is the ratio between the speed of light and that of the electron orbiting the nucleus of the hydrogen atom. You surely haven't failed to notice the correspondence with the number found in the proportions of the second pyramid of Giza. Is it a coincidence? What do you make of his ideas and maybe for the audience, can you summarize them? Yes, Armando is a very, very nice person and scientist also. Also, he is convinced that the number 137 is related to, especially to the Kafri pyramid.

1:13:41I don't know exactly his theories and I have his books, I have to read it and I have to study his books. But I think that I encourage him to go with his ideas because they are very interesting. Armando is a nice guy and he will do a lot of things with us. What do you think of Ben Van Kirkwijk? He just went on Joe Rogan's show and he talked about this large labyrinth underneath Like Hawara region. And it talks about Herodotus and Pliny the Elder and like past historical accounts of this large chamber. The stories of this Hall of Records and these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back thousands of years.

1:14:35Like, I mean, just not just the Arabs, but also Herodotus and these other guys also talked about that whole area, the Sphinx and everything else being vastly more ancient, even in the pyramids. Do you think there's anything interesting there? In some portion of the Giza plateau, we found a mess in terms of tomographic reflections. So there are really something like a network of underground tunnels. Because when you watch the tomography, you see everything projected on a plane. So it is hard to have the third dimension inside the depth. And yes, there are a lot of connections. The shafts that go down are all interconnected.

1:15:32And it's difficult for us to make a precise reconstruction of what there is, what is connecting the main shafts that are very visible, one to each other. Because he's claiming, I think the labyrinth is like a half a kilometer or maybe more, maybe a kilometer, like it's extremely big or something. What there is underneath there is very huge. In fact, in this context, it was, I think, Armando that me and Armando, I think, said for the first time, that's the tip of the iceberg. The pyramids are the tip of the iceberg. It's just a hat to complete something that is located underneath. It's like a little cherry on top.

1:16:26The substance is below. My personal view of the chart, but the measurements are showing that. So interesting. What else did you say? You mentioned finding these networks of tunnels, and then obviously you have the coils under Khafra. Are there any other findings? In this case, I'm sorry, I have to quote Chaita also, Trevor Grassi. Okay. Trevor. Because Trevor gave me for the first time the indication on the shafts. of the shaft. Filippo, he told me, because he's asked that, me not, Filippo, please explore the depth of the existing shafts that I told you, the shafts allocated between Cafre and the Sphinx.

1:17:14Because from there you can find the entrance to the underground under Cafre. Yes, because he is also Also making independent research a bit far away, but 100 meters far away from these shafts. And he found a so-called corridor of rooms that from the surface goes underneath and And then it connects the top to the bottom, and the bottom is constituted by a network of tunnels that are located underneath. Wow. Also, he is studying this and he is 100 % convinced because he wants to go inside personally, in the underground, in the intercepting this network of tunnels. It's amazing. Is there anything that you've found besides the network of tunnels?

1:18:26Like anything else you have this sort of... Ah, yes. Yes. And I told you, I told these things on the conference in Spoleto and also in Malta. We had a conference there. The structures that we found in Khafre, we found the same thing also in Menkaure and also under the Sphinx. Whoa. Yes, absolutely. We found the same thing. The same, not 4 plus 4, but in Menkaure, 2 plus 2, a smaller version of these things. and under the Sphinx only one cube going down. So they are all connected. The Giza plateau is not constituted by the pyramids that's Menicaure, that's Caffred, and that's Keops. No. It is something that has to be considered entirely.

1:19:34Yeah, it's a system, it's a network or something. So fascinating. How has academia received these findings?

1:19:48I have to be diplomatic. To give an answer to this, giving an answer to this academia is wonderful. Academia is very interesting because there are a lot of things that I learned thanks to academia.

1:20:07And it has to be something, we have to be very diplomatic with academia. Because academia works, you have an hypothesis, you make the measurements, and you explain why you had these measurements, and then you do comparison with the reality. And you explain the errors. So this is a scientific paper, no? You start from an issue, you perform the measurements, reality and the errors. Reality means a state of the art. You have an innovation, the state of the art and the errors. This is academia. So, when you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more.

1:20:59Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. listeners of this show will get a$75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com slash podcast that's indeed.com slash podcast terms and conditions apply need a hiring hero this is a job for indeed sponsored jobs that i agree because i am i i am 100 percent thankful of academia because It is an institution and it is necessary to study through the academia, because academia gives us a lot of tools, mathematical tools, scientific tools and physics that are behind things that we do. Also my techniques come from academia, because I study this intellectual rather from academia, and that's very important.

1:21:53When there is something new, we have to be careful to announce things. So it is new and it has to pass time to realize that the things that we are claiming can be valid or not by the academia. Which I agree. Okay. So in this moment, we are working on a scientific paper. The scientific paper is, let's say, under review. Is it peer review? Peer review, yes. Only peer review. Cool. Do you have a timeline on when it might get accepted? I don't want to say something because it is under review. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and let's see what happens that's exciting let's see what happens I hope it gets peer review I mean that would be very exciting I don't know what happens maybe we'll be rejected I don't know but if we'll be rejected we have to we have to know why yeah if we'll be accepted or 100 % we'll be some revision to do I don't if you're just saying these are the findings I don't know how it can be rejected if you're saying we use Doppler tomography and all these other cases that involve life or death or normal commercial business cases so it's useful in the free market context where people have skin in the game on it being useful and then you're saying we've done cases of validating that it works by going inside of a few things that we've measured and then and then you're saying four different synthetic aperture radar companies measured this thing and you got this raw data and then you have software that you use in other contexts to create images that invert the raw data into an image, why would that get rejected?

1:23:59That seems super to me. I'm not a genius, but that seems very simple and basic and obvious. I agree with you. But academia is very orthodox. So they have... I think they're orthodox because of what everyone's saying about the implications of it. Because it's circulating the internet is everybody saying it's an energy grid and it's fun to speculate about. And it could be true. But just the findings themselves are the findings. So it's like, I don't see how you can reject that. We are proposing measurements. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. I just interviewed this Swedish astronomer named Beatrice Villareal.

1:24:42She's amazing. And she is similar because she's traditionally credentialed like yourself. You know, she's well-respected. She's at Stockholm University. And she's a physicist and an astrophysicist. And she went to the Palomar Observatory, which is basically the most prominent observatory in use in San Diego, in California, from 1949 to 1957. So pre-Sputnik, pre-satellites being in space, she found all these transients that look like these mirrors or light-reflecting objects. They're not stars. They're not sunstreaks. They're nothing else. And they're pre-satellites. And where are they located?

1:25:26These transients came from solar reflections at 42 ,164 kilometers from the Earth or somewhere there around. Very interesting. Yeah, no, it is. pre-spotting pre-spotting yeah yeah yeah and so she's trying to find another observatory to see if she can line it up because people said that the spots she found are plate defects but then she um uh basically like did a study of the these transients these these light reflecting objects and she looked in the earth's shadow so the earth's shadow you know you have the sun pointing at the earth and she wanted to see if there was a drop-off in the earth's shadow and there was a drop-off showing that they do reflect lights they're probably physical objects yes because they reflect i i would like to read about i will send it to you yes but it's another example of and this was just accepted by peer review and i think you know my sense is that the people around her did everything they could to poke holes in it everything and there's it's weird There's no one left poking holes.

1:26:30Sabina Hossenfelder did a video and she's like, I don't know what to say. This is interesting. Brian Keating, who's, you know, a very, you know, well-established physicist who normally plays the skeptical side, to be honest. He came out and he was like, I find this very interesting. Maybe we should look for corroboration. So it's an amazing time where people like Beatrice and yourself can find these, you know bold amazing things and and actually try to get get peer review and i really hope you do get get peer review to me again i'm you know just thinking about it simply but it makes a lot of sense to me i don't understand why it would get rejected in my personal opinion uh we we will need a lot of time for review because I tell you, in 2022 I don't remember, 21, 22, we initially published a work peer review that is online now, but the initial work that we made on the Cheops pyramid didn't have this such a media explosion on all the world.

1:27:44Now, with the second paper, I know that the editor of the journal where we submitted the article will be very, I don't know. Let's see what happens. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I'm excited. And I think if I were you, I would try to keep the claims as humble as possible. Yes. And just give an honest readout of what you measured. Yes. Because I think it's hard to reject if you do that. I think if you insert some of the stuff, we're having fun speculating, but don't insert any of that stuff in the period. Only measurement and results. Model and results. In my opinion, academia is myopic and narrow and not very bold.

1:28:30And so if you do that, then they'll reject it. But just keep it super narrow. That's the way in. Well, I'm so excited, man. I'm so excited. Do you think that we'll be able to make progress in our lifetime on really understanding what the pyramids are for? Do you think that what we discover through your work and maybe the follow-up work in the Khafre project will wholesale overturn our understanding of the pyramids and maybe reality itself? Maybe, yes. We need time for continuing the studies. That's important to say. Time is important to stand the ideas that we have, to consolidate ideas that we have.

1:29:18I tell you that the technique that we are using now is every day improving in terms of precision and performance. months. Um, so the answer is yes. My personal opinion. Yes. Uh, we can maybe the final prove is to go there and watch and see what there is. We go, we have to go inside. Well, I hope you're given access to do that. Um, cause I think it's really important for, for the world to just understand both our past from a placing humanity in a specific context but also technologically who knows what it could unlock knows you know maybe 2026 will be a year where if we begin to to perform in-sidu exploration we will know really more with respect in terms of information about the pyramids with respect to now.

1:30:30If we will be able until the end of this year to submit to the Egyptian authorities a project proposal having a very focused ideas on it, so without going around, so focused on specific topics, in my personal opinion, we will have an authorization. Why not? Why not? Why not? Well, that's exciting. If we have an authorization, if we will have an authorization, maybe we can find exciting things. Who knows? My prediction is you will find exciting things if you're given authorization. I agree with you. So I think, you know, it's to me, the more bigger question is, will you be given authorization? I think if you find if you get authorization, I think you're going to find something very interesting underneath there.

1:31:33Because if you can't explain the way you described it, the just the hat or the little, you know, the tip of the spear, the tip of the iceberg. The tip of the iceberg. And that is literally a world wonder. Like we don't understand it at all. We don't understand how it's built. there are debates about how it's built if we don't understand that and you're telling me that that's the tip of the iceberg and that there's this whole network underneath it oh my god the contribution to humanity and I hope Egypt is able to see just how special that is well you have to promise to let me and Jay come and film it you and Jay we'll be the first to film it oh let's go So maybe we can get Joe Rogan out too.

1:32:22Well, it's an honor to speak with you. I say hello also to Jay. Yeah, what's up, Jay? Project Unity. Go check that out. Subscribe. Yeah, no, I'm just so excited. And it does feel like these sort of discoveries are speeding up. I don't know why. I think people are kind of waking up, you know, collectively to some of these ideas, becoming more open-minded. and yeah, thank you for being bold because I know you come from more of a, you know, a traditional engineering background. Yes. And to be able to speculate about these things isn't so easy. Actually, before we go, we were, before we were rolling.

1:32:58Yes, and I have to tell you also. Yeah, yeah, tell me, yeah. What we did, it is absolutely inside the scientific compounds because we did measurements. Yes. That are scientifically approved. So we didn't do nothing exotic. Yeah. Maybe we need to do a double blind check. It has to pass time. No, but to me, it's like using an electron microscope or mass spectrometry or something and just saying, you know, we found these isotope ratios. And then people are like, well, what do you mean you found those isotope ratios? Well, it's like we use this machine in a million other contexts. They work and then here it works and we found this thing.

1:33:42You're telling me that Doppler tomography is used in all these other contexts effectively for commercial. I'm sure it's used for defense. That's me speculating. So it's like, if that's the case, why not? Yeah. Why would this be any different? It's just an instrument that we know works in all these other cases. So it's miraculous. One other thing is, before we were rolling, we talked a little bit about this idea of extended electrodynamics and scalar physics. And some people have hypothesized that some of these ancient structures involve kind of acoustic resonance, but also maybe tap into a more exotic kind of version of electromagnetism than the typical transverse Hertzian wave.

1:34:30Do you think that's possible? Have you explored that at all? I never explored this, but it doesn't mean that maybe I will never do it. If you ask me what is a scalar wave, I don't know. I don't know. I can't give you an answer because I never studied this kind of topic.

1:34:58But I am not saying that it does not exist. In my personal opinion, all people, academics, not academics, everyone, we are we have to be open mind we

1:35:17I tell you this we go in the past in the 15th 1915 maybe 1910 when an Italian scientist called Guglielmo Marconi who invented the radio We are now today with these nice things on the internet, thanks to Guillermo Marconi. And this is what I'm saying. It is exactly the example that we are living today. But today we are saying this.

1:36:09certifications and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Listeners of this show will get a$75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com slash podcast. That's indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed sponsored jobs. Guglielmo Marconi wanted to perform a huge experiment. So, can I connect the Terranova Island with Cornovaglia? So, a huge distance. Across the Atlantic. Yes, across the Atlantic, no? and can I transmit some information from one part to the other one without cables only using electromagnetic waves he was sure about this the success that he will succeed this experiment because he felt it inside the heart all the academia I am saying nothing about the academia is not something against the academia, no.

1:37:25Only to explain you the fact that is now history. All the academia was saying, no, Marconi is doing something wrong because it will never go, it will never be okay, this experiment will never work. Why? Why? Because the transmitting antenna and the receiving antenna were not in line of sight. And so Maxwell said that the electromagnetic waves are only transmitting in line of sight. It means that I have to watch physically the transmitting and the receiving. And so why he is doing that? because he wants to waste money because it will never work I can tell you that who was saying this because it's history it was maybe Poincaré

1:38:34Professor Righi Accademia and so the journalist from the Accademia used to go to Marconi and asked Marconi, Marconi, the academia said that your experiment will never work. Don't worry, don't worry. Follow me, don't worry. When they arrived for doing the experiment,

1:39:04they used to have the Morse signal from the transmitting source was transferred immediately to the receiving source. It worked. Why? Because there was the so-called third via, the third solution. So, from one side, the theory of Maxwell said that this experiment couldn't work because the earth is a sphere, no? And so… Yeah, it's like a laser pointer. It would be off. It's a laser pointer. Yeah. On the other side, Marconi, that he didn't study. He didn't study. He wasn't a scientist, nothing. He thought, in his mind, wrongly, that electromagnetic waves followed a curved path. Right. That's not possible.

1:40:20It's wrong. It's wrong. So the academia that studied was saying that the experiment will never succeed. And they were because they studied. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, that he, what's MS? scientific mess. Because nobody or the academia and Marconi knew about the third via. And what was the third via? The present of the ionosphere. The ionosphere. Conductive ionosphere. So the wavelength that was transmitting Marconi casually, it was interacting with the ionosphere. And so the electromagnetic wave, according to the Mach 70, it made like that and like that directly to the receiving. And so it worked.

1:41:22That's amazing. And this gave the Nobel Prize to Guillermo Marcon. That's an incredible story because he was right, but he didn't even know why he was right until after he figured it out. It's amazing. And Marconi flunked out of school. He flunked and none of his professors took him seriously. And yeah, even... This is the world. So everyone has to be open-minded. Of course. Well, electromagnetism in general came... Michael Faraday was the early 19th century. He was a poor bookbinder in South London who knew nothing. And he just kind of like had revelations about some of this stuff. Because of his heart inside.

1:42:03Absolutely. He was feeling that. It was a part of him, clearly. And Tesla had all of these, speaking of scalar physics, he had all these ideas of where electromagnetism in its current form, even with his update of alternating current over direct current vis-a-vis Edison, even beyond that, he was talking about wireless instantaneous transmission and his experiments at Wardenclyffe that were sponsored by J.P. Morgan. I think if he were alive today, he would say, you know, his experiments barely scratched the surface of what he thought the potential for electromagnetism actually was. So the point is, just like Einstein is housed within, you can find Newton.

1:42:48Also Einstein, at the time when he developed the special relativity, he was saying that time is relative, time is changing. It was an erratic thinking. Yes. But it was successful. So in this context, everyone of us has to think heretically. Absolutely. It means heresia. It means, in Italian, in Latin, it means to be free. Free of mind. Absolutely. Libero. Libero come l 'aria. The air, heretic. The air, it's free. The whole history of science is the history of heretical thinking. moving science forward. And scientific paradigm shifts occur when there's a buildup of anomalies and then the dam breaks.

1:43:48And each theory, I love the Marconi example because Newton was right, but he didn't know why he was right. Einstein was more right than Newton in his theory. There's going to be somebody who's more right than Einstein about his theories. And the idea that this is the end of history and the end of physics is the biggest fallacy of like, you know, that we know everything. And it occurs at every generation. Every generation we say we know everything. And then somebody figures something out and they're always the heretic. We know anything. That's right. Not everything. And if you can't find somebody who is not part of the conventional body of knowledge who you agree with, you're almost guaranteed to be on the wrong side of history because that's the person who's going to bring forward.

1:44:37The trick is finding the right person, and that's hard. But, you know, I couldn't agree with you more. It's funny. You know, two days ago, I interviewed Marconi's grandson. Ah, very nice. And it's really trippy, but he said that his grandfather was part of a secret cabinet from Mussolini to study extraterrestrials. And it was called RS-33. In 1933, the Italian government set up this group, the Secret Research 33 Cabinet, where Marconi was the president and Enrico Fermi was the vice president. And they made some searches and studies on this phenomenon because 1933, they say that in Varese, north of Italy, there were some apparitions of so-called UFOs.

1:45:27In Magenta, Italy, or do you know where specifically? Varese, it's northeast Italy. Northeast, yes. Varese, it's north of Milan in Lombardy. Between Lombardy and Venetian land. And it was fascinating. Very interesting. He told me that personally. And he's a prince. I was like, this is amazing. So it's funny you brought him up. But yeah. I will see that interview. Yeah, yeah, you'll see it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, but I'm just amazed by it. But yeah, I agree. I think that I go for it. I'm not saying that these experiments that we did on Jitza are esoteric experiments, heretic. No, they are orthodox.

1:46:16Yeah. But it is a different way to watch electromagnetics. Why not? So it is inside the academic compound. Well, the point I think you're making is like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. And when you're an archaeologist and you see a structure, you just say, oh, it's a pyramid. There are pyramids in other parts of the world. That's just this structure. And then you come up with some lame, you know, a justification for why it was built. You come up with some reasons that are kind of inadequate as to how they were built. but you're force fitting your own priors onto the observation.

1:47:00And you have people like Christopher Dunn, who's done all this work on just engineering anomalies with the thing itself. And then you're contributing with this, you know, very clear scan of what's underneath the pyramid. And all of these things don't look like normal modern architecture. So the idea that it's just some ancient, you know, tomb is so obviously coming from our own false preconceptions based on modernity it's not based on a you know unbiased reading of what's happening yes i agree with you so i would bet on you know i'd bet on i hope your team really figures this out and it's it's exciting it's a really exciting time in history i think that the 2026 we have to do something yeah maybe in my personal opinion humanity is ready to go there and to go and see what there is down down down there because there is something yeah yeah yeah well you know you know um luis walter alvarez who was uh really important for the american atomic program he's depicted in the movie oppenheimer and he was very high up in the Manhattan Project, you know he X-rayed the pyramids in the 50s.

1:48:16Ah, X-rayed. Ah, yeah, yeah. So it's been a subject of long-standing interest, like, even from an official American government perspective for a long time. And how he X-rayed? I don't know exactly, yeah. But it's online. You can look, yeah. Oh, okay. It had to use a huge amount of energy in order to penetrate all the mass of the pyramids. Yeah, I guess so. And I think... I don't know. There was maybe like a muon detector? Yes, yes. In fact, we have to speak also about the Scam Pyramid project because there is not only the Kaffrey project, but there is also much more time with respect to us, the Scam Pyramid project.

1:49:02The Scam Pyramid project is using muons, which are subparticles that are emitted from the universe. They go to the pyramid and they intercept some, how you say, detectors. So the muons impress the detectors and they carry the information about the voids existing between the top of the pyramids while they go through the pyramids like that. Yes, the Scampiramid project is a well-known research group. They are using another physics. We are using acoustics. They are using subparticles. And maybe let's see if we can reach them. So be in contact with them. Maybe we can work together or share our results.

1:50:02Because now we are in competition. But if we are in competition, we have to work together. No, the way you have to think about it is it's you guys against the world. It's not you against, you know, it's like, it's amazing for everybody if we can figure out anything here. So, and we're up against kind of establishment forces. So, you know, the, the, the, the muon detectors, that, that's specifically for mapping the chambers inside of the pyramid. Is that right? Yes. I tell you, yes. and I tell you why we should collaborate together there is a difference between the methods that we use and they use because we scan from the space so from the space we can scan underneath they use the space particle to scan what there is between the pyramid and where they locate physically the detectors.

1:51:13It means that for us it's not a request to go physically to locate the detectors. Our detector is the surface of the Earth. In my personal opinion, we work better with respect to them because we can detect things where never a human went underneath. Their technique is different because they have to go physically somewhere and so they will retrieve a tomography between the surface and where they locate the detectors. Okay? I am hypothesizing this and I will share this information here if we perform a join project, so a project together maybe and if we will be able one day to go inside the shaft and maybe intercepting an horizontal tunnel

1:52:24constituting the network of tunnels that there is underneath, the SCAM Pyramid project can locate their detectors inside the tunnel in order to retrieve what there is up to there. I don't know if I am explaining better. Yeah, you'll use them in conjunction. You'll put the Muon detector there. There, and so they can scan. It makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. We have to work together. We don't have to be separated, but work together. Yeah, very cool. I love that idea. Well, on that note, Filippo, Biondi, this is an absolute honor and a pleasure. And I really wish you good luck because I think what you're doing is very important.

1:53:06And honestly, I didn't, you know, I was very compelled by what was circulating online. But there were a couple of things that even I didn't know or was holding out judgment on. and after this interview, you kind of convinced me on a lot of it. So I'm very, very excited. And thank you for doing this. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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