UFOs, Human Experiments & Rockefeller's Dystopian Health System (ft. Brigham Buhler)

28:45Snakes that ancient traditions say came from the sky. So this double helix, DNA, might have also come from the sky. Could it be that this symbol, serpent spiral, life, is more than just a metaphor? Could it be a remnant of some deeper knowledge, encoded in myth and memory? Even mainstream science is starting to admit that DNA may be stranger than we thought. About 98 % of the human genome does not code for protein. For years, this was dismissed as junk DNA. Today, we know it plays regulatory and structural roles, but vast stretches of this DNA remain a total mystery. Some researchers have proposed that DNA, with its fractal geometry and coiled structure, acts like an antenna capable of responding to electromagnetic frequencies.

29:34One 2011 study even described DNA as possessing the two key structural characteristics of fractal antennas. In the 1990s, Russian scientists described something even more bizarre. In their so-called DNA phantom experiments, they observed that after a DNA sample was removed from a container, laser light continued to scatter as if the DNA were still there. For hours, sometimes days, the DNA, it seemed, left behind a kind of energetic residue, a ghostly imprint in space. And then there are the biophotons, weak emissions of light that living cells, including DNA, constantly give off. These emissions are so faint that they are difficult to detect, but researchers have speculated that they might play a role in cellular communication or even consciousness.

30:28It is in this liminal space, between rigorous science and visionary experience, that a new picture begins to emerge, one that we now know so little about in terms of our current healthcare system. A picture where DNA is much more than just a molecule, it may in fact be a method of communication, either over a million years of time, or perhaps over a million light years of space. And if that is the case, and we are fundamentally connected to this cosmic message that is crucial for our species to hear, then we are allowing it to be slowly cooked off in the modern world of ultra-processed foods, drowning this potential signal to a higher plane of consciousness in sugar and oil.

31:12And while the Department of Energy, per the UFO nuclear connection, likely holds a lot of secrets when it comes to unidentified flying objects and their reverse engineering, they also conducted the Human Genome Project. So the government agency that might have proof that we are not alone in the universe also might know more about the human genome than any entity on Earth. This should all make you wonder if whoever is truly behind this dystopian reality of modern health has always had the intention of keeping most of the species docile and disconnected from our full human potential. But I don't want to be a total bummer on this topic.

31:50Just like with UFOs, I believe there is hope that these systems can change. With the Make America Healthy Again movement, we've seen massive leaps of progress that would have seemed completely delusional just a few decades ago. Because just like with UFOs, you do have the agency to take steps to disentangle yourself from the perverse healthcare environment that we are living in. That's exactly what Ways to Well is fighting for, a sense of human agency, and the realization that so much of the chronic disease we live with is a direct result of the ways we've been told to live. I don't think we should give up hope that we can make our lives healthier, clean up our environment, and prevent the diseases that plunge us into debt, steal time from our loved ones, and tether us to prescriptions and treatments that ruin our bodies and minds.

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33:43I swear I already feel better. It's wild. I'm here with now my very good friend, Brigham Bueller. I appreciate you having me man we just had the best day ever at ways to well I feel amazing I did red light therapy hyperbaric stem cells which I've been wanting to try forever and I've heard so many good things about and for whatever reason still has some stigma when it comes to the FDA and I want to talk about that with you but yeah we connected around aliens originally and UFOs because that's a deep interest of yours. And it's so cool to see all of this just UFO-themed, alien-themed, but also you're just helping so many people.

34:23So appreciate you coming on. Yeah, I'm a huge fan of yours. It's funny how we met because you were going to give that lecture in town. I think the lecture was about the UAP phenomenon at a place here in Austin. And I saw you were in town, and I just messaged you to check in and say, hey, I would love to connect while you're here. And the rest is history. It's crazy. I wonder if at some point in the future, the health stuff converges with the UFO stuff and we're able to make progress along those two things. I mean, who knows if we make contact with aliens. If an alien intelligence was, you know, sophisticated enough to be a Kardashev for scale intelligence and traverse the cosmos, you know, they probably have all sorts of interesting health updates.

35:07I have all the alien stuff around here just because I think it's fun. And part of why I did it was I want to make healthcare fun and approachable and like, but also futuristic. And so like, that's why I have the alien mural of the alien hand and DNA to the girl. And then just, just the Alan, the AI healthcare assistant. At Ways to Well, we focus on comprehensive hormone optimization with regular monitoring to ensure safety and effectiveness. Because to me, it's fun and it makes it a little more like out there and quirky. But to me, I've always been fascinated by it. And I think we don't get answers to questions if we don't ask the question.

35:46Alan, what does Brigham think about aliens? Brigham doesn't know shit about aliens, but I've been studying his ass for years. That loud motherfucker is always ranting about corporate capture and corruption, but has no fucking clue I've been right here watching him. It's fascinating because there's so many treatments that have been suppressed by this big machine, like everything you've done today. Literally like almost everything you did today at WasteWell is ignored by mainstream academia in a way, shape or form. Red light therapy. So many people go, well, how's a light going to help me? And a guy was nominated or won a Nobel Prize in 1907 or something for his studies in using light therapy to help with recovery.

36:29And now there's studies coming out of the UK that show that red light three times a week for five minutes can restore degenerative eyesight because red light pierces past the epidermis, gets to the cellular level and refuels ATP. And ATP is the energy source of cells. And so we live a lifestyle so much now where we're indoors, we're not in the sunlight. All of us are starving for more vitamin D, for more sunlight, for more of these things naturally available in nature. But there's so many aspects of healthcare and all of that that have been captured. And the whole principle is they use the tool that's in their tool belt.

37:08Within the insurance framework, it's like, what will insurance cover? What is my clinician trained on? And if insurance won't cover it, so in order for you to get accessibility in a generalized market, it's, is my clinician even trained on this one? And the answer is, if it's anything that's not part of the traditional establishment that goes back to these institutions and these powerhouses that you're talking about. And none of that's in their training design, neither is nutrition, right? So it's easy to debunk what they're saying. Like most modern day medical professionals have zero nutritional training.

37:42And we know for a fact, food is medicine or food is poison. And what you put in your body matters. Why would we not be training our clinicians on the importance of diet, lifestyle, nutrition. The same reason we're not training them on any of these other products or alternatives that can't be patented and monetized. That's the thing. I think that's the difference. Exactly. It's all about, can you have scaled money-making enterprises involved in the thing? And if it's red light therapy or if it's something that works with the electromagnetic field of the body, or it's a hyperbaric chamber, that's not as good business as let's pop out a bunch of pills and scale that worldwide.

38:21And I even said that in front of, they had a Senate round table at the federal level. And that's when I testified with RFK in front of the U S Senate. And my testimony was focused more on the broken system. And what I talked about was Eisenhower's speech. And that's how I opened my speech to the Senate was Eisenhower has this legendary speech where he talks about the military industrial complex, but there's a second half to that speech that nobody ever talks about. They never mention it where he warns and gives a warning to the American people about what happens if we allow the corporate capture of our scientific industrial complex.

38:58If we allow that machine, the scientific academic world to be captured by these giant institutions, we will lose the garage tinker, the innovator, the creator. We will stifle and suppress innovation in the name of profitability. And that's what we see. Like you and I were talking off air earlier about the pharmaceutical organizations and how they're not really innovating. Like there's not a huge incentive to innovate. And this is what I've been trying to explain. Like between 2011 and 2019, okay, there were 356 blockbuster drugs, What are considered blockbuster drugs. How many of those do you think big pharma innovated?

39:42I only know this because we're friends, but zero. Yeah. There's a slight, they're saying two, possibly two, but it's zero to two for debate. For the sake of debate, so we don't get debunked, let's say two. That means 354 of the 356 compounds that came out in that time span came from us, from taxpayer dollars. We funded those research, even the GLP-1s, the weight loss drug. GLP-1s were discovered through Gila monsters. There was a scientist watching Gila monsters and he realized these lizards don't eat very often and he wondered if they were hungry. And so he began to do research to try and uncover it.

40:24And what he uncovered is they had an increased level of this compound in their body. And so then he thought, could we synthesize this and use this to suppress our appetites? And let's see if it makes mice and other things not hungry. And so we, the taxpayers funded all of this research. Then that research gets bundled up and literally licensed off in a package deal to big pharma. Then big pharma takes it after acquiring it for pennies on the dollar, even though we, the people funded this research and provided this compound and created the innovation. And it's usually not till phase three that a lot of these compounds get gobbled up from the big pharmaceutical companies when all the risk is really gone.

41:07The downside's gone. And then people go, well, it costs all this money to get through the FDA. That's by design. That's also by design. Because guess what? If I'm a multi-billion dollar corporation, the best thing I can do is set massive hurdles in the marketplace to any disruptive innovator to be able to come in and compete. And I go back to Eisenhower's speech where he warned us of this. And then you go to our academia and you say, yeah, but there's checks and balances because we have all these academics. Like you were talking to Dr. White earlier. Dr. White was talking about in his time at Harvard having to beg to get a$50 ,000 grant.

41:45Well, guess where those grants are coming from? industry right and guess how you get published industry right and guess how you get published and get grants you do what industry tells you yeah you do what industry asks you to do yeah and you follow your playbook yep and if you don't we're gonna cut your funding and meanwhile some of the innovation that is going on like i think about stuff rfk talks about where he talks about fauci he talks about how fauci had this dual role for like decades one was bioweaponry and it was stuff you know with the dod yep and then one was you know nih and in 2017 you have uh basically a modification of sars you know that allows it you know with the spike protein to bind to human ace two receptors through the eco health alliance submitted to darpa and darpa which works on the most dangerous shit says this is too dangerous for us and it gets rejected and it gets moved into uh wuhan institute of virology which has notoriously back into a lab specifically with bad safety marks and you have to ask this philosophical question of gain of function research this like you know idea that we have to look around the corner for the next pathogen before creating the cure for it but that's all a smoke screen oh it's a euphemism for bio warfare yeah because i always ask when people say they're like we have to do this research i say when at any other point have we ever done gain of function research where we've come up with the cure once we come up with the new pathogen never now we're motivated by a pandemic that's now killed millions of people yeah and we can't come up with a cure for covid why would if it was just in a lab and you had like 12 or 15 or 100 scientists that knew about it why would you come up with a cure then it's fake sounds pretty conspiratorial yeah right oh it's crazy what's crazy is even tulsi tulsi gabbard who's one of our most powerful people in our nation today, was ringing the bell six months ago saying, guys, we have a war in Russia and Ukraine, and we literally have bioweapon labs in the middle of war zones.

43:56What if somebody hits one of these buildings and releases the next true world ender compound into the world? It's a dangerous game of Russian roulette. You know, the guy, speaking of COVID, the guy who created uh pcr polymerase chain reaction is a guy named carrie mollis and he had uh um an alien experience he was abducted and so i just thought that was an interesting kind of connection between this and he was also that's wild it is wild and we can cut what's his abduction story though i'm curious i don't remember the exact he like woke up in a shed and he spoke with a being or something and he was yeah he was a surfer and he was very interested i think he He might have seen a UFO as well.

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46:51Brigham, how'd you get into aliens? Man, I don't, you know, what's funny is even as a kid, I was the kid that would like ride my bike to the library and literally like check out the book on Bigfoot and all the, I was always fascinated by like the unknown. Right. And then I'm at an age now where I don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe, but the one last thing, I don't believe in the Loch Ness, all that, you know, there's no evidence that is valid in any of that. But when you look at this UAP phenomenon in this world, and then you look at it even just scientifically and objectively i'm just like there's so much overwhelming data you and i have talked about this a ton in private but like just systematically looking at all the different whistleblowers all of the different data sets of photos and captured and with eyewitnesses it's just such a plethora of data and then you look at it scientifically uh like mishukaku talks about like uh the the propensity or the likelihood of life in the universe is i mean it's statistically probable very high and then the question becomes did it reach intelligent life and if it did reach intelligent life then it is is it a level one two or three society and if it is a level two society then it would have the ability to build in space and time and potentially traverse like our our universe and like our like so it starts to get more and more probable the more you work yourself through the mathematic equation, but then just the excitement of it, of the great unknown and everything that's happening out there.

48:24Like we don't know anything. I look at how little we even know about our own bodies and our own health. There was something that came out the other day saying that even at the cellular level, they're now finding DNA, almost like a DNA-like structure, even smaller than, at smaller and smaller levels of the human anatomy. Like smaller than mitochondrial DNA? Yeah, and they're finding tinier and tinier elements and this was just yesterday i saw whoa and it's like we really don't understand we don't understand well also dna itself is so fascinating because you have base pairs which are kind of like if you think about binary code like or transistors or something they're like on off switches they get turned on and off by methylation or acetylation and it's almost like we ourselves maybe are like walking hard drives like you could store like a book on dna and we can get activated by certain things and deactivated me out because then you go to like what bob lazar said that he was given in that file and he doesn't know if it's real or not he's just saying what he read but it talks about that we we are containers i want to go back to the religion thing i want you to say oh come on that's so weird that that's a lot i'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact i'm asking you to say what you read in a report that is distributed at what may be the most top secret facility in the world.

49:49Okay. All right. All right. I'll say it. It's so far out. Your rejection has been noted. Okay. What does it say? That we're containers. That's how supposedly the aliens look at us. That we are nothing but containers. Containers of? Containers. Maybe containers of souls. You can come up with whatever theory you want, but we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the documents. That religion was specifically created so we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers. And people, the human nature is immediately to go containers of souls. But my immediate human nature is containers of information.

50:36And then Dr. White. like what he was explaining earlier that we we captured well the biggest thing is that nobody really believes that immortality is possible right so if you can demonstrate it exists in nature then there's somewhere to stop so when we talk about the jellyfish when we talk about lobsters that don't age you know they have no biological markers of aging they just keep getting bigger until they die of you know exhaustion um but if you can demonstrate that it exists in nature then all we have to do is really study it and try to figure it out how to apply it to humans so that's really where I started with the jellyfishes it exists in nature this isn't just we're not trying to create time travel or anything that breaks the laws of physics it exists we just got to try to understand is there anything because you hear about like telomeres in the context of like turtles and stuff like is there something about the jellyfish that you know they recently sequenced the genome so we're understanding a lot more about its biology and Aaron's able to do it because there are species that are very similar but are not a more so if you can sort of you know line them up side by side and see what one jellyfish is doing versus the other we might get some insight but fundamentally species age differently and so we there are things we could probably learn from them but we may not be able to apply it directly to humans but what it means for me is that the evidence is out there and in our genome somewhere deep down historically something existed that determined what our lifespan is and we can probably start tinkering with it Does the DNA demethylate or?

52:03Right. Well, it does. So in the case of the jellyfish, all of the markers of aging in the adult are removed. So they de-differentiate. They go from a differentiated state to a de-differentiated state, which is like being a baby again. So they just go from adult to baby, back to adult again and a baby again. So and we do that ourselves as well. I always use the analogy of if you take a 40-year-old male and a 40-year-old female, male the eggs that the woman has she was born with so they're 40 years old same thing with the sperm sperm stem cells are 40 years old the spermatids are new because he's making new spermatids all the time but those two 40 year old cells when they come together to make a baby they make a zero year old cell so those 40 year old cells somehow when they come together in that magic of birth it de-differentiates it removes all the marks and starts from zero again so you have a baby that lives 80 years has babies of its own can live 80 years so really we are immortal we're just passing our ability to be immortal through the generation so the gametes wow we shed the soma but the gametes are immortal the dna in our bodies has been traveling through time for millions of years seven million years of human evolution it's the same dna it's just so crazy it's rewritten we just have such a myopic view of health now i think what you're doing is preventative and it's holistic.

53:27But right now, it's just like, give somebody a chemical or whatever. But all this, I think we're going to see a Cambrian explosion of new, cool ideas that are holistic. Like, working with, now you have pulse electromagnetic frequency therapy. If you were to say 20 years ago, you're working with the electromagnetic field of the body, the vested interests, the institutions would have been like, you're crazy, what are you talking about? You belong in jail or something. And, you know, that or binaural beats. You have the Monroe Institute doing interesting stuff with consciousness. You know, we're starting, you know, the biology of belief and placebo and like all of that is kind of, I think, coming back in vogue because this very biochemical materialist reductionist kind of modes that we've been using, I think are they're being laid bare as just look at life expectancy in the US.

54:19Yes, it's topping out and it's going down now. So like empirically, we need something else. And so that's why I love what you're doing because you're at the frontier and you're doing stuff that's obviously safe, but it's also just super, it's too effective. Yeah. Yeah, well, my mind is like common sense. And I've said this a million times, but if we're worried about the escalation of our healthcare costs, and it's the number one reason for bankruptcy in the country, It's the number one state budgetary item. It's, I think, number one or two budgetary concern for the federal government. And it's growing every year.

54:57And we talk about the boom in chronic disease. 1.7 million Americans are dying a year of chronic disease. More than every war we've ever fought. More than every war we've ever fought is dying every year right here silently. And nobody's talking about it. And here's the wildest part. Most of those diseases are preventable. Almost all of these chronic diseases that are killing us are preventable. So why aren't we preventing them? Because to prevent them, we have to blow up the system because the entire system is not built. The framework is not built to get proactive, predictive, and preventative.

55:32It is built to monetize chronic disease. It's just the system we're in. You're sick. I treat the symptom. I give you a pill. I push you out the door. I have six minutes with you on average in this country as a clinician. Six minutes to go through prior history, to assess anything we're doing, to do a deep dive into what you can't do anything. And think about we have this AI renaissance going on right now. We're talking about, you know, chat GPT reasoning and how impressive that is. And it's crazy. All the health data exists in these ridiculous silos. And the stuff that is centralized is probably a little dystopian.

56:08So it's like, what do you do? And I hope maybe you do something along those lines. because if you do have a lot of data along a lot of these different biomarkers, a lot of which aren't even tested for because they're not seen as important or predictive, which is insane because the more data you have, obviously, the more predictive something's going to be. That's how ChatGPT or LLMs work in general. My buddy Callie said it. He said, if you have a fish tank and all the fish are getting sick, you don't blame the fish. You drain the tank. Like if all the fish are getting sick and there's something in the tank causing the sickness, you drain the tank and you assess the problem.

56:46And the problem is environmental. And for us, if there is a chronic disease crisis perpetuating this country, growing astronomically at a breakneck speed, what they're trying to do is blame the American people and go, all of a sudden the average American didn't get fatter or lazier than the average Italian. right and the average italian is is drinking wine and living that lifestyle they're living longer than us and they're having less chronic disease than us it's because their food in their environment isn't built like the american food and environment do you think sometimes because i look at those blue zones right like you have like sardinia and you know certain places in japan you have okinawa you know and these people live till till over 100 and the diets don't they're off they're clean and they're natural.

57:32And so that's a huge, you know, they're not having tons of glyphosate, right? Like that doesn't work. You know, that doesn't work, but the diets don't actually correlate that much. Often it's like this sense of group usefulness and community. And that's like this really, really big thing. And then being in touch with nature and family and all of that. So do you think, how do you think about that? I think, I absolutely think that's spot on. And there's even data behind that. Like it's, I can't remember what it's like broken heart syndrome. But once one partner passes, like partners who have been together forever, I think it's like within 18 months is the statistical probability that the other partner will pass.

58:07Like, and so we are interconnected in community or, uh, what is it? Uh, Victor Frankl's a man's search for meaning. Like he survived that concentration camp and he looked at stronger, like bigger, stronger men that died. And he asked himself the question, like, why, why did I make it and they didn't and it's because he had a purpose he had a meaning he had a cause he had a reason to get up every day and fight for life rather than surrender to death and I think like family friends community being in good like spiritual and mental health like having the the ability to like build trust in like community is huge it's a huge part like our mental health like it i think it was uh dr palmer who said this in front of the senate he's a another uh shoot i don't want to but i think dr palmer's a harvard guy as well but he he's brilliant guy and he was talking about how we have a physical health a mental health crisis perpetuated as a physical health crisis yeah right it is intertwined our physical health is wrecked but so is our mental health it's like deaths of despair right now in america are at an all-time high yeah greater than that of the Great Depression.

59:18More people are dying of deaths of despair right now than during the Great Depression. It's crazy. Well, the Western world seems like it's sort of dying, like slowly or something. Like you look at Japan and the fertility rates there, and then here in the US, they're like barely like at replacement rate. And even the word loneliness is actually a product of the Victorian era. It used to be oneliness, and it wasn't even like a concept before that. and in in the uk they have a you know a minister of loneliness or whatever it's wild because like we live in this increasingly atomized fragmented society obviously social media doesn't help that i was gonna say even our touch points though are unrealistic right because like as you have like social media grows you may you may know a hundred thousand people but how many of those people do you really know i always ask myself like when i'm stressed or i'm beat down trying to run this these companies and you're under you feel like the walls are closing and you're dealing with all these things and somebody says something that hurts your feelings i try to think to myself Like if they're not going to be at the front row of my funeral, why am I worried about it?

1:00:27Like you only, cause it's so easy and it's easy to do that with social media. People are so malicious and mean and like just cruel over these media platforms. And it's easy to let that weigh on you. But the same question, is this person going to be in the front row of my funeral? If not, then fuck them. Like who cares? Like it's cause anyone can be, you know, mean and malicious over a keyboard, but in person, I find people are much more empathetic. And it's this weird buffer. It's not that I think people are evil. I feel like these tools have given us a false sense of reality. And you don't understand the pain and suffering that you cause other people.

1:01:05Totally. It makes total sense. And I think simultaneously, social media is this annoying surveillance mechanism. It also causes all sorts of social distress. because you're, you know, if you see comparison is the thief of all joy, like you're comparing yourself to you're in like a hall of mirrors, like of infinite, like people to compare yourself to somebody who's always better looking or more accomplished or whatever. And then simultaneous to that, I think it's, it's causing people to wake up and, you know, they say we're in the age of Aquarius. I don't know if I believe in astrology, but it is like, think about people's worldview today and probably how much your work at ways to well resonates with people today.

1:01:47versus maybe five, 10 years ago where like maybe society wasn't ready. And it was like very, you know, and you, you had some issues, right. With, with peptides and stuff. You had a, you had peptide pharmacy and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, we have a, we have a compounding pharmacy that compounds peptides, but as things have grown, you know, we've, the biggest challenge we face is fighting the federal government and the broken establishment and the FDA is so corporately captured. And I'm, I'm optimistic that all that's going to change. Dr. Macari, who's now the head of the FDA is just an unbelievable human who truly cares about people and is an advocate for people and is coming from outside the system.

1:02:25And so it's exciting to see somebody coming from outside that system with the hope and the goal of truly driving change versus what historically has been there is 10 out of the last 11 heads of the FDA have gone to work for big pharma. No, it's just crazy revolving door. I would rather, you know, I don't agree with Trump on everything. I don't agree with RFK on everything, but I'd rather somebody who's not a career politician and maybe even in Trump's case, a little narcissistic or whatever, come up, come in there like a bulldozer and get rid of this stuff. In RFK's case, he could be hanging out at Martha's Vineyard right now.

1:03:00Yeah. And instead he was cleaning up the Hudson, you know, river. Yeah. And then he got into the, he was, he was so ahead of the curve on the health stuff. and it was so unpopular when he, you know, went after, when he wrote his book on Fauci, Fauci was the darling child. You know, people forget. Now they think he's evil because it's obvious he did some really messed up shit. But at the time they didn't realize he was, you know. So it feels vindicating and this beautiful tide shift. But when it comes to these deeper questions, you need to wade through misinformation to get to the truth. if you're like concealing yourself off the bat from misinformation you're not going to get anything right so i love what rogan does where like he'll have he'll just have a conversation with people like a normal person and he'll have both sides on and it'll be this dialectic sort of thing and he'll you'll come out the other end way better educated and as much of an expert on anybody on these kind of ontologically deep truths which there's an expert you see graham and and flint dibble yeah perfect example yeah and flint is academia and flint is an archaeologist and flint is trying to debunk and like then what we saw through an open dialogue debate is flint was misrepresenting facts yeah it was overwhelmingly misrepresenting so many facts and he got exposed for that yeah and graham was the voice of reason in that situation he even brought up a slide where he got the number of shipwrecks like entirely wrong or yeah and i think that's also analogous to the stuff you're facing too because like there are people who feel called to a thing because of experiences in their life you had an experience with your brother uh you yourself were in pharmaceutical sales medical device sales and you were like fuck this this is so corrupt yeah and then now what you're doing is way more ideological and it's way more you're like tethered to something higher it's not like you're like this money grubbing like local even our meeting today yeah I was just talking to these new pharmacists and I was telling them like, this is, if you make your beacon, your, your, your North star money.

1:05:10Yeah. Maybe you'll find money, but what to, but at what cost? Right. If we make our Northern star people and helping people and driving change, nobody can stop us. Yeah. Nobody can stop us. Yeah. And my gut says we can make a lot of money doing that. Like we've done really well. and it's all it's been is making our northern star like driving true change and helping people and every time you have a crossroads and you can choose profits over people if you choose people i think i can't help but think you're gonna win and if you don't and you fail at least i can lay my head on my pillow at night and go i did the best i could and i didn't sell out i didn't become what I started out fighting against.

1:05:55Yeah. Because I see what happens when you go down that path. Yeah. And we've seen it. Oh, we're living it. We're living it right now. We've lived it for the last fucking hundred years, man. Well, that's what it's a fight against. I think at its core, whether it's the UFO thing or the health stuff, it's people who are like, this is the truth. Like we have to fight for the truth. And then the people on the other side are like, well, my local incentive says I have to cover a thing up and I have to make this expedient alliance here. And I have to, if you're Fauci, you're testifying before Congress, you change the definition of gain of function before you get questioned by Rand Paul.

1:06:29So you say it's not gain of function over and over again, ad nauseum, just condescendingly lying and insulting the intelligence of the American people in a, I think, criminal way. You're saying that that's not gain of function research. According to the framework and guidelines. So what you're doing is defining away gain of function. You're simply saying it doesn't exist because you changed the definition on the NIH website. This is terrible, and you're completely trying to escape the idea that we should do something about trying to prevent a pandemic from leaking from a lab. This episode is brought to you by PayPal.

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1:08:09And the American Heart Association, this is the world we live in now, the American Heart Association showed up to testify against us at the original one. Okay. And then because of the ability to spread the word, Joe Rogan and Bert Kreischer talked about it on Rogan's podcast. Callie Means tweeted about it. It went viral. Guess who didn't show up to yesterday's testimony. Who? The American Heart Association. Oh my God. And even one of the congresswomen, Chair Hole, was like, look who's not here today. Unbelievable. Somebody wasn't here today. Did anyone else notice that the American Heart Association did not show up today?

1:08:51Because it's easy to do dark deeds when you can do them in the dark, hidden from the eye of public scrutiny. Yeah. But in this world, with open conversation and free form, we are the media now. What Elon is saying is true. Between X and YouTube and podcasts, you cannot no longer hide in the shadows and push these insidious agendas. And then if you look at why would the American Heart Association be against removing soft drinks, it's because their funding comes from these institutions from pepsico and coca-cola and all of that and so it all goes back to dollars not truth they have lost their way they've lost their way i don't give a shit if the american heart association listens to this you are criminals man you've they've lost their way they've sold out and it isn't about helping people it is about keeping their bullshit organization alive and moving things forward and this is where we're going to expose these people.

1:09:53When people go down that path, this is the world we're in now where there's a free media that allows us to expose it. And I think we're going to see a restoration of common sense with that. Like, again, Trump for all his issues or whatever, there was a leaked call between him and RFK. And he's talking on the phone with RFK and he says, these babies, they're getting like 50 vaccines right when they're born. They're growing all weird and deformed. And it sounds like if you were to write this out in a transcript, like, goo-goo-ga-ga, like, eight-year-old, like, ridiculous talk. When you see a baby, Bobby, a vaccination that has, like, 38 different vaccines, and it looks like it's been for a horse, not a, you know, 10-pound or 20-pound baby, it looks like you're giving, you should be giving a horse this, and you ever see the size of it, right?

1:10:45You know, it's just massive. And then you see the baby, all of a sudden starting to change radically i've seen it too many times and then you hear that it doesn't have an impact right but if you think about just think about it as a human being for a second vaccinating you know giving 50 vaccines to a baby that feels a little excessive and there maybe there should be some efficient frontier of like yeah some vaccines are good for sure like it's good that we science is good you know but like maybe we should be a little more discriminating Did you see the autism rate that came out yesterday, the newest autism rate?

1:11:18Isn't it one in 500 kids or something? No, it was one in 12.5 kids in the state of California. Jesus Christ. Is the newest autism rate. Yes. One in 12.5. What's California doing so much different than the rest of the country, I ask you? I don't know. Oh, interesting. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's just like this is, it's to a point where you, look, I'm not here to say correlation is causation, but correlation is at minimal worth investigation. And to say that we're not going to look at these things and to have fought it for this long, it'll be interesting to see what comes out. Nobody's ever really looked.

1:11:57They haven't been looking. And now what do we find when we look? That's the question. Yeah. And I hope people can just learn to think for themselves with these things and be empowered to do that. With the COVID thing, I remember getting, I hadn't gotten vaccinated and I got COVID and I would, I was considering getting vaccinated before I got COVID. Then I got COVID and I had antibodies. I had T cell response. I had hemoglobin. I had all the immune factors and I have all these people around me, my family included, my liberal LA family being like, you need to get vaccinated. And I'm thinking in my head, you just want to like load me up with spike protein.

1:12:37Like, like I was trying to describe to them. I was like, What about what I have now confers any less immunity? Did you even see that it went viral, that leaked video of Fauci talking about the flu shot? In the 90s, saying if you get the flu. You don't need to get the flu shot if you've had the flu. You have the best form of immunity, natural immunity. And then with this, it's like, oh, you're going to be a mass spreader of COVID. It's just all crazy. And this is where people have begun to not trust the establishment. And then the establishment says, trust the science. Trust us. it's only science if you tell us the truth.

1:13:11It's only science if you let science speak for itself. If you skew the data and skew the facts, there's liars, there's damn liars, and then there's statistics. Yeah. That was what Mark Twain said. And it's like, if we're going to skew the statistics in favor or eliminate or hide data, that's not science. The CDC didn't come out with any of the, all the adverse reaction data was hidden. There was no, there weren't collecting any data along those lines. And then you have these heroes like, you know, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone all of a sudden saying, oh, if you're like, you know, I was, I think 28, 29 at the time.

1:13:52And it's like, if you're between 18 and 29, high testosterone, you are in the sweet spot of myocarditis. And so all of a sudden my risk factor is somebody who's gotten, you know, COVID already definitely goes up. It's not, it's not you know it's not zero percent yeah and uh and nobody's talking about that and uh and so you have to just you know i do think it's this beautiful thing where information is being disintermediated through these courageous people and hopefully people can just think reasonably for themselves or even when you go to food in the argument about food dyes and we were arguing about the dyes and what people don't understand is those dyes are tested at the dosage level of an adult at a weight of an adult, okay?

1:14:36And at a specific amount, which is the serving size administered on the label, okay? Well, if I'm a three or four-year-old child, do I eat the dosage, do I eat like the serving size of a cup or am I eating a bowl? Okay, well, now you're eating double that dye level in just that one meal. And that's just your cereal. But they didn't check the dye in the drink that you're drinking. And then they didn't check the dye and the next meal you eat. And then there is a slow attrition where you're gaining more and more of these, the bioavailability of all of these compounds through your diet over time. Right.

1:15:15And so this is what we were trying to argue is you're building up all of this stuff in a patient population that was never a patient population that you would have ever looked at. And I think, I think it was somebody just said that, like, do we need a double placebo controlled trial to to decide that it's healthy to jump out of an airplane with a parachute versus without yeah or do we just take yeah the knowledge that life has given us to say it's probably not a good idea to jump out of the fucking plane without a parachute well that's that's why i look at like i think it was gary that said that the glyphosate thing and like if this is really water soluble you know aging orange you have all these environmental toxins for sure now that didn't exist prior and that we've never really thought of in a critical way that seep into your body.

1:16:03And yeah, so you're doing the Lord's work by getting this out of all these people. To me, it's fun though. Like all this stuff, like finding, like solving puzzles, it's a puzzle. All of this is a puzzle. Like it's fun. Like it, like I think there's solutions to all these problems. It's just looking with a new approach and saying the solution isn't wait for people to get chronically ill. It's not waiting for the car to blow up. We don't have to let the car blow. We can change the oil. We can rotate the tires. We can maintain the car to avoid the cataclysmic event that causes this catastrophe. We can avoid the catastrophe.

1:16:39Why are we waiting and catastrophizing? We shouldn't. We should get proactive, predictive, and preventative. And with large language models, with the ability to capture large data sets, with the ability to provide patients a life raft from the broken system and allow them to have sovereignty and autonomy over their health, the average American is not fat and lazy. That's the lie we've been told. The average American is in an environment that is perpetuating chronic disease, that is perpetuating obesity, that is perpetuating metabolic disease and diabetes, which is then leading to all of these issues that are killing so many of us.

1:17:14And we can prevent all of them. What do you think happens with the alien puzzle in the next five or ten years oh man i'm excited man you and i've talked in depth about this like is this it feels like the floodgates are opening right the dam is starting to crack yeah and more and more is leaking out yeah and then again this media form of like free speech is allowing more and more to get exposed and making it harder and harder to lie to the american people yeah like the world is waking up in so many ways yeah in so many ways there's knowledge is power and knowledge is more readily available. And at this point, if you aren't listening or learning, you're living under a rock because it's everywhere.

1:17:57There's so much accessibility to learning about this topic. If you're fascinated by it, I'm always amazed at how much content you consume on the UFO front. Cause you're running a, an amazing, you know, uh, massive business and you're somehow like, also you're like, dude, I'm watching your thing or Chris Rams. You're watching his thing i love like yours chris rogan like anything in that ufo space if it's you chris rogan jeremy corbell and george knapp our other buddies like i love watching you know and learning from what you guys are exposing because y 'all do a great job of bringing the truth out and the ogs like corbell and knapp with their stuff and weaponized like they've crushed it and that got me that got my beak wet and got me like deeper down the rabbit hole and then here in the uh bob bizarre on rogan drug me in even deeper and then finding your channel and chris ramsey's channel has just like built upon this and now i feel like i have places to stay in the know uh and even a lot of the news outlets now are covering this more and more and more like who would have ever thought you'd see the day where major media outlets are covering this phenomenon almost on a weekly basis yeah you i mean you have tulsi gabbard uh you know head of dni direct director of national intelligence she in her platform says i want to expose information on on uap ufos and i i've spoken to her i know you've spoken to her and she seems pretty you know kind of kind of woke on the issues yeah she definitely seems open receptive open-minded and uh willing to explore truth yeah which is that's all i think about everything like why would you go into anything with a preconceived notion that's not that's not inquisitive like go in with an open mind that's one thing i love that Chris Ramsey does on his, he'll, he'll sit back and, and it's great for people who are very like, uh, immediately skeptical because what he'll say is envision this as like an exercise.

1:19:54This is just a thought exercise. Like I'd ask you to go through the thought process with me. We're just walking through and methodically looking at these things. I'm not telling you this is right. I'm not, but let's set aside our preconceived notions, come in with open minds and open hearts and see where the information takes us. And if you do that across the spectrum of everything in this UAP world, UFO world, alien, whatever you want to call it, there's a plethora of information that starts to get pretty fascinating where you go, man, there is like, I don't have an answer, but I have a lot more questions and I am definitely a lot less decisive on the topic that the more you learn, the less you know, right?

1:20:34And that's like in life, the more I begin to learn, even in healthcare, The more you think you know and the more you pull at the thread, the more you realize there's a lot, a lot of unknown. More unknown than known. Totally. And with the UFO thing, I think if you start with the foundation, which is there's a there there. You know, like there are things in the sky we can't identify that repeatedly show up around our most sensitive nuclear sites. Like that's what I'm most confident. I would hang my hat on that. And then you can kind of build up from there. Are there secret programs? Have we been reverse engineering things?

1:21:06And you go down, obviously, in probability as you continue to go in your search. But you build up this kind of self-consistent ontology, which is wholly separate from the average person's. And we might be merging into that ontology over the next decade or two. And it's a wild time. It's going to be exciting because I think more and more is going to come out. You know better than I do. But I just think there's such a thirst for knowledge right now. And there's such a free form of discussion that with that's going to come more and more truth and more and more transparency. And then even discoveries, like discovery after discovery after discovery, you know, and our ability to see what else is out there and our ability to have high res images of other planets and our ability to gain soil samples and just knowledge is power.

1:21:54Yes. If you were talking to somebody out there who's struggling with some chronic health issue or something they don't quite understand, maybe they're going to a primary care doctor that's just giving them kind of conventional answers, treatments, take some Tylenol, some ibuprofen, some proton pump inhibitor, whatever, treat the surface level thing with some pill. What would you recommend to them? I think if you, I mean, I've said this, if you eat the average American diet, and you go to the average American doctor, don't be surprised when you get diagnosed with the average American chronic disease.

1:22:29If you really, truly care about your health, take sovereignty and autonomy over your health. Understand that nobody's going to do it for you. You've got to take yourself out of the rat race. And it doesn't have to be ways to dwell. There's hundreds of clinics, if not thousands throughout the country that are doing proactive predictive medicine, using blood work algorithm-based medicine to drive health span. and go do a deep dive one time you save the money spend a little bit of money to see to get a glimpse into what health care could be yeah if you weren't caught in that ecosystem well it's so wild to me they call it functional health like it's some exotic beast you know some like you know weird esoteric thing that's like hard to understand it's just more biomarkers it's just more data Yeah, yeah.

1:23:18Like, obviously, you're going to want more. In what other industry? Say you're building a rocket or an airplane. I would just call it healthcare. Yeah, it's called healthcare. Because the existing system is sick care. It's sick care. This is healthcare. Exactly. Rather than managing chronic disease, because if we're really truthful about what the existing ecosystem is, it is built to manage chronic disease. Not prevent, to manage. Yep. And so if you want to prevent chronic disease, you've got to take yourself out of that and put yourself in a healthcare system. And a true healthcare system is going to get proactive and predictive by looking at your biomarkers and assessing it.

1:23:55The cancer that you develop in your 40s manifested in his 30s. The diabetes that you develop in your 30s manifested in your 20s. Chronic disease has leading indicators. And we can see those indicators. And the more diagnostic sets we have, the deeper dive we can do and the more we can project and prevent. So like a DEXA scan tells us your visceral fat, your subcutaneous fat, how much body fat you're storing. You combine that with a VO2 max. Now we know your lung capacity, your heart health, your overall cardiovascular conditioning. Combine that and layer it with biomarkers. And we've got over 70 biomarkers that tell us where you're at at the biological level, which is a snapshot of you in time.

1:24:36Now combine that with multiple biomarkers. Now tie that into a wearable. Now monitor your deep sleep, your REM sleep, your heart rate variability, put all these data sets together and allow large language models like Allen to assess that. Now cross-reference that across a large patient population of healthy individuals, not sick individuals. And right, and the other problem with the biomarkers in the primary care space is they're comparing you to that sick fish tank. Like you're being compared against a tank of sick fish of other chronically ill on four or more prescription medicine Americans.

1:25:10That is not a healthy patient population. So we narrow all those tolerances to where you would have been as a healthy 20 year old prior to this chronic disease crisis. And our biomarker test is narrowed to that niche. And so I have a buddy who's in Florida and he called me and he's like, you're going to love this, man. I brought my blood work into my primary care and I showed him and he goes, these tolerances are this is ridiculous this is way too strict like they're they're way this is you're not low on this you're not high on that you're not this you're not okay listen to that guy and see where you go yeah or listen to us and see where you go well they're treating you at the failure mode margins of these things where when they get like seriously in the red it's like too late yes like what can you that's all i'm trying to say and so if you can you know manage these things ahead of time predict them see around the corner obviously you'd want to do that how do you if you're you know somebody in the audience and you're kind of you're watching you know gary breck on a podcast and he's like it's all reduces down to gene breaks which cause nutrient deficiencies or you then you hear brian johnson on the next podcast and he goes it's polyphenol rich olive oil and i'm taking 120 things how do you navigate this new space of having a lot of because some of these people are really pushing the frontier of this stuff and you have huberman obviously um but like it's a lot to make sense of?

1:26:28So like, do you need to get tested basically and do something individualized or like, how do you navigate the health podcasts? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot to digest. Even for me, there's a lot to digest and there's areas that get more aggressive and more fringe. And then there's bread and butter. And so if we look at what the difference is between a healthy, happy centenarian and somebody dies at the average American life expectancy, the difference is the onset of chronic disease. So let's just distill this down to simple, basic X's and O's blocking and tackling. Okay, so your goal is to live to be a healthy, happy centenarian where you could play with your grandkids in your 80s and 90s and you're not in a bed for the last decade of your life.

1:27:12Then we've got to start with preventing the onset of chronic disease because the difference between somebody dying at 70-something years old and somebody living to that point is the onset of chronic disease. That's the big difference. So if we can delay the onset of chronic disease, then we can indirectly, if we can extend health span, we can indirectly drive lifespan. And my message to everyone is I don't have all the answers, but I do know if we can drive health span, we can extend lifespan. And if we can drive health span longer and delay chronic disease, we can buy time for brilliant minds like Dr.

1:27:48White to come up with the next major invention, the next major life-changing, life-altering, world-changing idea. And I recommend we buy time. We buy time through getting proactive and predictive again. I know I sound like a broken record, but it's like we start in your 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s monitoring all these things. Now we're approaching the decade of decline, your 40s. It's known as the decade of decline. In your 40s, the average man ages 12 years biologically, the average woman ages 17 years biologically. Why? It's because there's a precipitous decline in all of our hormones. There's also a precipitous decline in all of these bioavailable necessary building blocks that we were talking about with Dr.

1:28:35Weider, right? Everything begins to diminish. If we can bring all those levels up to normal and maintain those levels at an optimal biological level into your 40s, 50s, and 60s, we can indirectly stave off the decline. And what do I mean? Can we keep your lean muscle mass? Can we keep your visceral fat down? Can we keep your bone mineral density high? Can we keep all those things? Because for a woman who's petite over the age of 65, one of her biggest risk factors is a bone fracture, right? And so we are proactively monitoring your bone mineral density with a dexa we know what your average bone mineral density decline will be if you have your hormones decline but if we keep your hormones optimal and we treat and get proactive and predictive we can prevent that bone mineral density decline or slow it and then at some point in the future hopefully reverse it right and so that's my thing i know it's a very complicated way of saying getting predictive and looking out for these things we can stave off the things that are going to kill us and we can buy ourselves enough time for really, really smart people to innovate and come up with new cutting edge modalities, cures, whatever it may be.

1:29:49There's so many cutting edge things that are going to come out, especially with large language models, with artificial intelligence, with CRISPR, with all the things that these guys, I mean, we're bringing back dire wolves. Like imagine what we can do with humanity in the decades to come if we can keep you healthy. Well, it feels like on the, you know, if you have a Maslow's hierarchy of needs, but for humanity, bring back a direwolf would be at the very, very top. And then this stuff is just so fundamental. I even say it to, you know, all my friends in the Maha movement like you, that the make America healthy again thing.

1:30:21I'm always like, it's the most important. It's way more important. The UFO thing is such a luxury, you know, compared to how you feel every day. And so I hope I love that vision and I hope ways to well continues to push it the frontier as far as actual treatments, but also making this stuff accessible to people because I know that's part of the vision. Just making it as a as scaled as possible, but in a responsible way and where the incentives are aligned between patient and practitioner. So I'm excited to see where you go. I'm pumped. I'm excited for the future. I'm telling you, we're just getting started.

1:30:56There's so many things that we're working on that I'm excited about. And we'll have to have you come back in and check it out so you can see. I'm so ready. I'm so ready. And yeah, man, I appreciate everything you've done. I feel great even today. And let's see in six weeks. Yeah, thank you for trusting us and coming in, man. Oh, no, no. I mean, thank you for having me, man. It's been awesome. And everybody here is so cool. and couldn't recommend it enough. I love it. Alchemist, did you enjoy that? Well, here's the thing. That episode was just the tip of the iceberg. If you want the full picture, head over to the American Alchemy magazine we just launched on Substack.

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