“We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg

26:08So next time we're going out, can you come along then with your equipment? Okay, okay, he said. And then after a couple of months, I said to them that we're going to go out now on a mission. You want to come along with your equipment, your ROV and everything? So they come to Sweden and go out with the ship. And Peter and I were just, you know, checking what they're doing their equipment and coming to the spot and they go down with the rov and he's sitting there and and the first thing when he coming down there is okay dude this is this is strange this must be man made this is constructed

27:06Two rats. And the other one. Man-made. And I just, what? What did I hear? And I look at Peter and he said, yeah. So... So even the skeptics, when you bring them to see it firsthand... They understand directly, it was something for sure that we have found there. So that is odd. And... Yeah. And you must be familiar, given that you have an interest in UFOs, with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases. Even Close Encounters of the Third Kind, you see the main character with this big sort of almost like sunburn because they're basically experienced this sort of like basically a redshift of electromagnetic light.

27:58And, you know, Travis Walton is another good example where he's in Arizona with his friends, he gets out of the truck, he touches the UFO, and he gets almost kind of zapped because of the electromagnetic activity. There's geomagnetic anomalies where a lot of UFOs show up. So places like Skinwalker Ranch or Mount Sengun Mori in Japan next to the Fukushima Prefecture, their nuclear civilian grid, you always have these geomagnetic anomalies. Heselden, you have, you know, magnetic anomalies as well. Yeah. So that is a common theme in UFOs. Yeah. I remember what he said also, uh, when he was done with the ROV, this Finnish guy, and he said, it looks like a power line.

28:42It's something very... Something like a power line. We don't have any power lines there. Nothing at that time. It looked like a power line. No, but, you know, the... with the instrument they're using on the ROV. Mm. was something that is putting out energy of some kind. Wow. It looks very strange. It might be a cloud of methane, that it's a methane seep from the bottom. I don't know how close we can go, but we have seen this growing now for a while.

29:30It's lots of things. And even, um, weather phenomena. Like, thunder, thunder, and lots of things, just on the spot. Really? Yeah. That's fascinating. I forgot lots of things when I'm talking to you. But lots of things have happened out there. Thunder on the spot. Yeah.

29:51And, like, nowhere else. Yeah, exactly. And it, like, the, the, the, does the lightning hit the water? Yeah. Really? Yeah. So it's like a conductor or something. It's true. It's true. Oh, my God. We have filmed that also. You've filmed that? Yeah. Oh, this is amazing. Yeah. This is the most exciting thing ever. So now, all the things together that, you know, you cannot let it go. No. You must. That's why I have fought for this for so long time. I mean, if you just list the anomalies, you have biological material in a Dead Sea. Yeah. You have right, you know, right angle, corners. You have an object that's 180 meters, so it's very big.

30:32You have, it's hard. You see that it's detached from the seafloor. You have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing. Then you have thunder conducting, hitting it. I think that's extremely... And then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades, all having tons of data points, and they've never seen anything like it. So I think that's very worthy of investigation. Yeah. And so, some people might be wondering, because you described it as a round object, but it also had right angles, you know, and right-angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly? It's not a flat, you know, disc as many perhaps things.

31:10It's a quite rough surface around it. Okay. And then you have these corridors and angles. So, and it's not round in the corners. It's rough. Perhaps it's broken. Okay. I have been there for a while. So the circumference is 180 meters. Yeah, but if you look at it from upside, it's round, but still it's... There's some jagged right angles and stuff. And right angles in a way where it's not just a little sliver or whatever. It's like longer right angles that apply artificial construction. Yes. Fascinating, man. Yeah, it is. For sure.

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32:42Have you seen all the remote viewers that have done all the things about Baltic Sea? No, have they? Yeah. When we were in Sweden, I called Joseph McLaunigle and Angela Ford, and they helped us with this retreat. So we should... I don't have reception, right? You're doing it? No, no, we don't have any connection. I was going to say, I could easily call them. Well, what do they say? What do the remote viewers say? That is constructive. And it's, some have said it made of bull. Really? Yeah, it's some kind of energy source. Really? Yeah. Energy source for what? I don't know. So which remote viewers say this?

33:27There are lots of it. I can send you the link. Oh, yeah. Please. I'm going to write it down. But the cool thing is also when the Finnish guy, our colleague from Finland was here, he mentioned, okay, this is man-made, this must be constructed. And it looks like it's a high voltage thing. And I just, high voltage? So that's like something that put out high voltage, like power. Who said that? The Finnish guy. Wow. And I have it on tape also. That's amazing. I have it on tape. We have film and everything. Really? Yeah. Oh my god. And the meteor that happened? The day after we went home. Yeah, yeah.

34:18Yeah, that's crazy also. What's the story there? Oh, you know, I did not see it, But it was on the news. That happened on Earth. Yeah. Like one or two times per year. A meteor impacts Earth one or two times per year. Yeah. In that size. And so you went out here. I was here, exactly. On the way home, on my way home the day after. What year were you here? Oh, this June. Oh, in June. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, it was in the news that the big meteor from over Åland and over here. Wow. Or perhaps they're going down there. And was it like pretty much in the center of the Baltic Sea? Yeah. Whoa! Crazy. Right after you went.

35:05It is. It is. And there was no sonic boom? Or there was a sonic boom? Yeah, it was. There was a sonic boom? Yeah. Whoa. Lots of witnesses to that. Crazy. Yeah, for sure.

35:19So, some sort of energy... You know there's a guy named Christopher Dunn? Yeah. He thinks that the pyramid is an energy generator. Yeah. I would have. Yeah. So, I wonder... Perhaps there's a connection there. I don't know. Yeah. Never know. But we will find out. I can't wait. And so, how do you get to the bottom of something like this? Like, what steps do you even take to figure out what this is? Yeah, you know, I'm an explorer and a treasure hunter. I'm quite good at that when it's come to find things. And when it's come to this, find out what this is. You know, that's why I have this geolog and people from the university that helps me.

36:13And they have opened the doors for me. And I have one person that I must, you know, she's wonderful, and that's Beatrice Villarelle. That's the person that opened the doors for me. Before that, I mean, for 15 years, I have tried to get attention. People get interesting in this. And I have been at places, and I talked about that, and they say, oh, Dennis, it's very interesting, it's very interesting. But, you know, I don't want to get involved in this, You know, the stamp on UFO and things like that. My company... But it's interesting. I follow you. I follow you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nothing else.

36:49And then I met Beatrice two years ago, I think, because I have always been since 1996, and of course, when we found the Baltic Sea interesting UAPs. And then I met Beatrice for the first time, and we find each other there, and we have the same interest in finding out what's going on around us. Because I'm already convinced, 100 % convinced. And I'm a doer. I do it. I'm working for it, and I don't give up. And it's the same thing with Beatrice. We're working together now. She opened the doors. She had the keys. So the scientists we are working with now are very excited and have been out there now with us.

37:42So we're going to go out again because it's unique. They have never seen anything like that either. So... Wow. That's great. And these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing. They all say they've never seen anything like this. Exactly. and you made a video recently that went kind of viral on Twitter, uh, where you say, you know, I, I've seen some really amazing things with the Baltic sea anomaly. You know, we're going to talk about this soon. Is there anything you can speak to about, about that? Like what you found in this last trip? Cause you just went out there, right?

38:17Like I was out there. It's, uh, so interesting that we must go out again with a scientist because I trust them. I trust them because I have no experience when it comes to that. So if they're saying, Dennis, this is interesting, we have not seen anything like that, we must go out again and take more measurements and test that and that and that with different type of instruments and so on. When they are saying that, I get, ooh. As you know, I'm always on the hunt for things that help me stay sharp, focused and full of energy while I'm diving into life's mysteries and making this show happen. And I've got to say, mud water has completely transformed my mornings.

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40:35That's what I can say. Okay. And anything about the new data? I'm a little careful to go out with the new data now. It looks like it's separated from the bottom. That's what I can say. Separated from the bottom. That's amazing. It's not a geological formation. I don't know. It sounds like it's not. I must be a little careful. But yeah, Yeah, I don't know. It's so fascinating. And so what's the next step after this? It's more testing? Yeah, of course. It's lots of things we must do. It's, of course, to go out again and take core samples, not from the object, as I understand it, because that's quite difficult.

41:20But if we succeed this time to get more data that are very interesting, of course, we must go out again and take core samples. But that equipment is quite expensive. So core sample... Take from the object. From the object. So this would be like drilling into it. Yeah, and that's not easy. Sure. Yeah, and it costs lots of money. But I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling. Yeah. Has anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in this? Believe me, yeah, many, and even I. But you haven't done it? No, no, no, we have not done it. I mean, it's a risk. We don't know.

42:01That's a risk, for sure. But as Beatrice and I have talked about, we have talked about that perhaps we're going to use the ROV, the smaller ROV. To go in. Yeah, we have this big hole, like two meters in diameter. Yeah. I mean, the ROVs cost lots of money, but perhaps it's worth. Does the ROV have like night vision? Can it correct for, it must be dark down there. No, you don't see anything really. Even if you have the... You must have a sonar on it. Okay, so you put the sonar on the ROV. Yeah, I have a sonar on the ROV. So I see everything around it. And it's a side-scan sonar, so you end up with a 2D.

42:38No, no, it's not a side-scan sonar. Side-scan sonar is something you have behind your boat or ship when you try to find anything. Then you have a blue-use sonar on the ROV. Okay. There you can see a front... Like a picture in the front of you. Okay. There you have no visibility. There you can see anyway. It's like a radar. Okay, it's like radar. Interesting. So you basically get the structural formation. Yeah, of course. You can see small details also. But you can't see optical, right? You don't see an image, right? No, it depends. If you're lucky, you can see perhaps 30 or 50 centimeters in front of you.

43:16Okay, a little bit. Yeah, it's difficult. Yeah. That is fascinating. Yeah, it is. So interesting. When you started to talk to the press about this, even back years ago, why do you think military or aerospace or, I don't know, anybody didn't want to check it out themselves, like authorities? They did. How do you know they did? They were lurking around in the waters when we were there. Really? Yeah. How do you know? I filmed it. How do you know they were authorities? Were they Swedish authorities? NATO. It's for French and German and American British ships around us. Really? Yep. And then also a Swedish coast corvette go quite close to us.

44:05Suddenly we saw in the distance that this must be some kind of navy ship heading directly on us.

44:16It turned out to be a navy ship, and actually a Swedish one. And it shouldn't be lurking around in those waters.

44:35They just stopped and were laying there. We were going in a search pattern, and they were in our way. and we called up on the radio and said, we have divers in the water, please move. And they did. But still, they were there. It's crazy. Yeah, and then we have airplanes. How many did you film? Six, seven ships. Wow. Big ships. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So you think they were there for you? It's not normal to see them all there. No, no, no, no, it's not normal. I don't know. I mean, they were there. But how many other dives have you done where you're looking for cognac and wine, where you've seen six or seven ships from various different NATO countries?

45:16Not many, I must say. But when we dive on the submarine, we found in 2015, of course, we have the Navy and the Coast Guard was there and boarding us, and you know, want to investigate what we are doing and so on. And it was a… So that sounds like a similar thing because it's of interest to the government, in this case, the Russian government. And in this case, of interest to NATO and many governments, probably. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then when we were home, they got the call from the Swedish, let's say, it's like FBI in Sweden. And they want me there directly. Come over here, Johan, I want to talk to you.

45:56So I did. And it was about the submarine we have found and what people I'm talking to, and they want to know every detail, everything about it, the Russian people I'm talking about, I talk with them, and so on. So it's, yeah, but every time we have been out in the Baltic Sea, except now, except now, this time, nobody. Interesting. Yeah. Why do you think that is? The ship we're using owned by the government, the Swedish government. Ah, so they get the data no matter what? I don't know, probably. Interesting. Maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf. I hope not. Yeah. The Swedish FBI, did they contact you about the Baltic Sea anomaly too?

46:45No, no. When it's come to the Baltic Sea anomaly, we had a meeting at the military headquarters in Stockholm. And I remember I said to one of the people there in this group, I said, you should know, I mean, you have been out there, and lurking around, and laying there, and watching us. So, what do you know about the whole... Have you been there? Have you dive on it? And he just looked at me, no, no, no, no. We have not been there. But I'm filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there. Nothing. He don't say anything. Whoa. So they have been there, and probably we dive there also.

47:30They probably dive down there. But they might also not know what's down there? They might know? No, no, no. Yeah, of course they have dived. But do you think they know what it is? Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at? I mean, that's crazy if they have not done that. But still, the crazy thing is also, it's on international water, but it's also on Finnish economic zone. It's not on Swedish water. Finnish Economic Zone. So it's a little strange that the Swedish military ship are there, and also other ships, but, you know, it's...

48:13I don't know. But they have been there, and probably dive on it, or use ROV and investigate it themselves. But when we were at the headquarters and talked to them, they said that we know nothing about it. We have had no ships there. and I filmed it. You filmed it, you have evidence. When you went to the military headquarters, was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea anomaly? Yeah, exactly. And they called you in. Yeah. So, okay, they definitely had an interest at least. Of course, they were interested. Yeah. Yeah. But then they acted like they knew nothing, they had never gone out there.

48:51Yeah, yeah. And we show all the data, all the information from them and for them, and yeah.

49:03Is it a spy? Is it a Russian drone? I see a chip on it. Yeah. You see a chip? Well, you're a long way from home, my friend.

49:22What's the greatest ontological shock that you've experienced around the Baltic Sea anomaly?

49:41Oh, shit, there's so many. But the, the, I mean, the first time we saw it, the first time we saw it, that was the experience. Because we have never seen anything like that before. Yeah. So we were very confused and of course I mean curious about what it can be. And then after that we have done our things down there and Péfan had been down there as a diver. And explained for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature and all the angles and walls and holes and things like that. So when you see it yourself, photos or film, then you begin to understand this must be in some way constructed.

50:36Have any skeptics come to you and said, I think it's a rock? Have any insight? Yeah, of course. All of them? And what do you say to them? Perhaps you're right. I'm not sure. The only thing I can say, I have no experience when it's come to that. I have never seen anything like that before. Not my colleagues either. So nobody has seen things like 60 meters in diameter. That was the first thing we did. We sent it over to the friends. And people that we know are working with the same things that we do. And when they saw the pictures, of course they were curious and wondered, Why have we found this?

51:21As I mentioned, put out the Baltic Sea. Do you have a top theory as to what it is? It can be something that is constructed on the spot. It can be. A long time ago, perhaps before the ice age, I don't know. And that's why I have never given up when it's come to this, because I want to know. Even if it's a rock. But it's a very strange rock, I must say. With all the angles and holes and it's a round object, it's also separated from the bottom. It's separated. How do you know that it's separated? Sub-button profiling have we done. So we can see the layers. Wow. Amazing. That's really incredible that it's definitely separated from it.

52:13So it is an object. It's not a geological formation. It looks, the data say that. That's amazing. What's it called? Sub-sub-sub-sub-button profiling. Sub-bottom profiling. And do you know how that tech works? Yeah, it's like a radar. You go down to the ground and you see all the layers in the sediment. So we know it's attached to the seabed, but it's not... It's not a part of a mountain or something. It's not a geological formation. Not part of the earth. It's a data saving. That's pretty amazing. So it's an object. That's why it's so important that we're doing this investigation, and continue with different methods because it's, of course, interesting.

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53:34Get those steps in. Head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all. From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. that's how it at least that's how it felt for me i was uh having a hard time melting it i had a hard time melting it i was talking to my friend dennis i was sitting there i just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned beatrice vioreal who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right she talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis yeah i mean i've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should just look without any hypothesis and do like classify things like you're classifying butterflies I think you're not going to find anything well obviously because because you have no hypothesis you don't target your experiment yes and you are going to invest years into that and you might have a great classific like great catalog of things but I'm not interested in the catalog I don't know really what to think about that it's something for sure And if it is a UAP or a crashed UFO, it should be cool if you have found that, of course.

54:50But at the same time, with all the data we have now, it cannot be a volcano, even if it can be a volcano. But when I talk to scientists and I look at it, no, it's not a volcano, no, no, it should not be like that. Is it an asteroid or a meteorite or something? No, it should not be that. Then you have this and this and this. Okay, okay. Yeah, why can't it be an asteroid or something? Then you have a crater. Right. Yeah. And no crater here. No, no. It's standing up. It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure on the seafloor. Yeah, it's laying on the bottom. And how big is it again? 60 meters in diameter.

55:2860 meters. 60 meters. Yeah, it's big. It's very big. Yeah. That's so interesting. So... Let's find out this topic. So your two top hypotheses are that it's either a UFO, maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space, or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the Younger Dryas period. Maybe when, you know, there was probably flooding, there was flooding. We know Meltwater Pulse 1B in 9600 BC. Before that, you know, you had water levels were different and maybe this was on land and it was built at that time. It can be like that, yeah. Something is built there.

56:08Either one is very interesting. It's fascinating. Yeah, it is. And you're reasonably confident that it's detached, that the object is not part of the seafloor. A big stone or something, yeah. Now, as we can see it now, the data we have from the last mission or where we're at, it looks like it's separated from the bottom on the data. But, you know, we're gonna go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it. Did the diver that you mentioned before who, I think it was Stefan. Stefan Hågeborn, yeah. He touched it. Yeah. Did he say it felt like anything? No, not really. He was surprised it was dark under it.

56:54Ah. It was gray, like, um, um, gray when he, the sand. And then it took that away, and it was dark, almost black, gray-black. Did he say it looks natural or artificial? No, nothing about that. He didn't say anything? He didn't mention anything about it. Interesting. Yeah. Did he mention feeling anything, being around it? Like, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He have never ever, and this is a... He have been diving for a long, long time. He is well-known in Sweden when he's come to diving. How many years has he been diving? Since he was a young guy. Okay. But anyway, he's… How old is he now?

57:38Same age, 60. Okay, wow. Since me then. So, and then… So, 40 years probably of diving. Yeah, yeah. Probably more, but… More, yeah. Still, you know, he said to me that when he was up, because I saw in his face, he was

58:03very confused, or, you know, see it in his face. And I was, of course, curious. What have you seen? And he said to me, Dennis, I have dived a lot, and I have never, ever seen anything like this. Wow. That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. And I've done maybe 6 ,000 dives in my life. I would die for an expert to tell me what I've seen. Wow. Yeah. And then he explained for me about the hole. He explained about the temperature. And he was brushing off the sand, the sediment. It was dark under it. And he tried to take samples from it. It was too hard. So he takes samples that lose samples on it instead, like lose stones.

58:53Uh-huh. And where did those stones, have you tested those? Yeah, we were tested in Israel. And are those stones, did they come back normal or...? Uh... They found minerals, of course, and nothing that really sticks out. And basalt, volcanic stones, they found. But at the same time, when I've talked to the people, the scientists, they say, you will never find any basalt in the Baltic Sea because you don't have any volcano. But then they said that probably, if you have found it, it's coming at the end of the ice age. It's a melting period. It's coming from the Atlantan, and be in the Baltic. But I don't know.

59:46I don't know. Interesting. So it's almost like when you look at an ice core sample and you can kind of see what carbon levels were in the sediment layer of the ice or something. This might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago. The fact that there's even basalt there. Is that kind of what you're trying? That's a very interesting test we're going to do. We're going to do a core drilling, not at the object, but around the object now. And even in this track, you'll see if we see any layers. Ah, smart. So that's important to see how long I've been there. Have you brought a Geiger counter down or measured radioactive?

1:00:23No, but this time we're going to do this. You will. Yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. This is so fascinating. Do you want this to be a contribution to humanity, or what do you want for this? The truth. The truth, yeah. That's the only thing. And even if it's a rock or big rock, I want it to come out because I want to do, like, check, I have done this now. I can go further with my other projects. Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angle? Not only that. As I mentioned, with corridors and holes and things, I forgot one thing, very important. I have a triangle like this with a hole in it. A triangle?

1:01:10With a hole. How big is a triangle? Like 15 centimeters, 20 centimeters, like that. Whoa. Yep. With a hole in it? Yeah, the hole. Like a perfect round circle? Yeah. Almost as if it was, like, laser cut or something. Yep. Perfect on the object. Any writing? I assume not. No inscriptions? You know, it's, as I mentioned, we were lucky when we found this on a film. Mm-hmm. But, you know, it's a big object, and visibility down there, as I said, it's pitch black. Yeah. And it's difficult to see things. Wow. But we saw that, and probably we will find more next time we're coming out. That's so fascinating.

1:01:54Before the Baltic Sea anomaly, were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified flying objects, space, aliens, anything like that? Okay, let's go back in time then. I have talked about this before, and I can do it again, because that was something that changed my life totally. Back in 1996, I lived outside of Stockholm, not far from here, very close to a military installation. And I was an entrepreneur, explorer, entrepreneur. I had my businesses and doing lots of things. I was a daddy to two boys. And I have a wife and a good life, perfect life. And the only thing when it's come to UAPs and UFOs, I saw Star Wars, ETs, and aliens.

1:02:48That was the only thing. I had no interest in when it's come to... I did not think about it. I was busy in my world. So anyway, that thing that changed my mind totally was 96 in the summer, in the early summer. I lay in my bed in the apartment, not far from this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up 3.30 something in the morning. Usually I sleep a long time. You know, I use the time for sleeping at that time, because I'm working a lot. But this morning, I wake up of some reason. I still today don't understand really. I have thought about it, of course. But I wake up, lay in my bed for 10 minutes, and I decided to go up and drink water in the kitchen.

1:03:42So I'm sitting in the bed. I have a big window in front of me. And outside the window, I have this military installation, FUA is called, in Swedish dam. So I'm sitting there in my bed and look out of the window and see something that should not be there. And it's taken me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there. What is it? Yeah, good question. And then I'm getting frustrated. You know, when you see something that's not fit, you know, it should not be there. That I get to use, I begin to use my F words and try to get my wife's attention because she's sleeping behind me.

1:04:30I want her to see that also. because it's something. So you're making a little scene. Yeah, yeah, of course. And then I stand up and turn around and look at her to, what? And she looked at me as scared because, I mean, that's not Dennis. I'm a quite cool guy. And this in the early morning. So then I turn around and look again out to the window, and it's still there. It's still there. And then I begin to understand this is something very, very odd and strange I have in front of me. And then the thing happens that when you see it like this, it looks like a hot dog. And it's brown, it's yellow, and the sunlight is reflecting on it.

1:05:22And then it's going like this. And it's dark under it. And then I see it's round. Before I don't see it round. Then I see it round. Mm. And then after one second, one and a half second, it's... Wow. So what shape is it? It's round. It's round. But if you see it like this, you don't see it as round. Mm. But when it do like this, it's round. Interesting. Yeah. So you just saw it, uh, it looked like a flat plane because you were looking at it from the side. Yeah, yeah. Like a hot dog or a cigar or something. Some sort of long line. Yeah, which is a common people's tic-tac cigars. Yeah. And then it turned, and you saw that it was round.

1:06:01Yeah. And then it popped off. And how long did you see it for? 14, 15 seconds. How far away from you standing in front of the window? One and a half kilometers. One to one and a half kilometers. Wow. So it must have been a pretty big object. It was a big. It was not, as I mentioned to many people, it was not the bird shit on the window. Yeah. Not the bird or... It was something. Fascinating. Very, very strange. It's amazing that you woke up at that time. Yeah. Was it around the military installation? It was over the military installation. Interesting. Yeah. And does the military installation house any sort of nuclear stuff?

1:06:42I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden, or... Yeah. There's nuclear energy, it's plunkraft and stuff. No, no, no. Plutonium and lots of other things, the nuclear things they work with there. Because I did my investigation because I was, you know, wow, I have seen something. Now I must figure out what it is. I must try to find out if I can find any information regarding this, what I have seen, if anybody else has seen it. So local papers. At that time, in 1996, we had Alta Vista. Mm. You know, and Modem, you put your phone in, and then you call it. No broadband. Internet service provider Modem, yeah.

1:07:20So it was local paper, military sites, and also my friend in the military I talked to, nobody. Nobody has seen it or heard anything about it. So then I contacted UFO Sweden. You have talked to one of these guys, I think. Klaus Svahn. Yeah. Okay. So this is like the official civilian investigation on UFO. So I mailed them, but I did not get any receipt, anything back. So that was a shock for me, and that was something that changed my belief totally. Totally. Before that, nothing at all. So I remember when I saw this thing, I got her attention, but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, it's flowing over my house, and then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side.

1:08:27And I'm standing there like, what? Where is it? Where is it? And I don't see anything. And then she's coming, and then it's Dennis, what's wrong? What's wrong? I don't know. I have seen something. And then after that, my two kids are coming. Papa, papa, what's wrong? And this morning, we're sitting eating breakfast, and I tried to, in my best way, to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day, we go down to this area. It's a protected area. It's a military installation, so we cannot go in. But anyway, I go there because I have reference. I saw that. There was one part of it, and that was, how big is it?

1:09:06And then I begin to, okay, it must be like 600, 700 meters in diameter. So we're talking about a big thing. Wow. So, yeah, that's what happened to me in 96. That's amazing. And you looked into it, and you realized that the military installation, that site, does plutonium enrichment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that seems to be a huge pattern, as I'm sure you're aware of. After a while, they begin to understand that's the reason perhaps they are there. Yeah. Other plutonium enrichment sites in the US, a Savannah River site in South Carolina or Hanford, Washington. There are a lot of UFO sightings over both.

1:09:47In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford, Plutonium site in 1945, this pilot named Bud Clem. So it's a very common thing. Uh, wow. That's amazing. That was something that, uh, begin, uh, I mean, there were, there was, that was the time that I began to think about, okay, we are not alone. Something are here. So you started to get interested in the... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, very interested. Did you start to read about the topic? Yeah, of course, of course. I tried to find out if somebody else had found, seen anything like that. Yeah. Look at pictures, and... Because we did not have YouTube and things at that time, in 1996.

1:10:29But then I saw pictures, and now, no, nothing like that, and nothing like that, and nothing like that. I really tried my best to find out if somebody have to take a picture of it or something. Fascinating. Yeah.

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1:11:35and I was like, all I can spend time on is this. And so, yeah. That changed your life totally, though. Definitely changed my life. Yeah, I have experienced, as you know, I have experienced lots of other people I've talked to that have experienced, they have changed their life totally. Yeah. And not only their life, only their family's life. Because you'll be another person. Yes, yeah. It opens you up spiritually too and I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things. Me too. I was totally focused on myself and my family, my career, my business and everything that I'm doing.

1:12:22And then that happened. That really changed me. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. The meaning of life. We need to think about who are we, who are them, why are they here, and so on and so on, you know. That's why it's so important for me and I know for you and lots of other people too. You cannot just leave you back or just walk away from it. You cannot do that because you have it your whole life in you.

1:13:06Maybe the way that the beings are speaking to us is through the discoveries, you know? It's like their language. Yeah. Perhaps they don't want to just give it to us. They want us to find it. I think that's right. Every story is like that. you know, King Arthur, you know, anything. It's always, you have to search.

1:13:36What do you say to the people who say, oh, well, Dennis was already interested in UFOs, and, you know, he's just biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object? Yeah, as I mentioned, in 1996, that changed my life. And I am an explorer. I have been an explorer since I was a kid, really. I'm a curious guy. I've always been interested in finding things that nobody else has found. And of course, I make money on it. So I can pay my bills and do new expeditions and things like that. So, and then we found this thing, and they can believe what they... I mean, it's my life. I have always been like that.

1:14:24Yes, sorry if they feel like that, but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through, and I've found something for sure that is very interesting. And I'm open with it. Everything I do, I'm open with it. It's the same thing with shipwrecks. I'm doing that because I know lots of people, as I was. And when I was a kid, I was curious. I look at TV and things and books, and I know lots of people around the world are very curious about treasures. Mm-hmm. You know, I'm a treasure hunter. Mm-hmm. And, uh, then I found this thing, and the same thing there. I'm open with it. Mm-hmm. And then I have seen something, 96, that convinced me.

1:15:06So... I'm open. I've always been like that. Mm-hmm. Say you take a core sample, you bring a Geiger counter... Yeah. You observe much more the next time, your next visit, and you actually get conclusive proof that this is an anomalous object not from Earth. Yeah. What next? Talk about it. Show the whole world about the truth about it. That's how I work. Mm. And that's how we together, Beatrice and I, work. We want to be open with everything. Even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is, I must be open with it. Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs that hit the water, specifically the ghost rocket anomalies in the 40s, for example, never landed on land or crashed on land.

1:16:04They always hit the water and lakes and stuff. Yeah, you know, since I was out with the information in 1996, then I found it in 2011, but in 1996, no, I was not out with the information, but since 2011, I have received, I mean, so much mails from people around the world, and even here in Sweden. They're talking about, they have seen cigars, they have crashed in the water, in forests, and things like that. and they want to talk to me. And lots of people have contacted me. And I wish I can clone myself and do... It's so many people. Yes. So... You know who Matthew Brown is? Yeah. So he's this recent whistleblower, UAP whistleblower, recent UFO whistleblower in the US.

1:16:56And he encountered this Immaculate Constellation document within the government, and it talks about transmedium objects, UFOs, going in and out of the water. But he also, he talked about in his interview with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp, the idea that some of these UFOs are made to purpose. So they're built in order to serve specific functionalities. Sometimes these might be made to purpose. So if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, They'll design it to excel in that mission. And this is getting into very speculative territory, but there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan.

1:17:41You know, it's one of these kind of dark internet forums or whatever. And he said he was sick and he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. And he says that basically these UFOs are built to spec. They're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. And so I wonder if this was an object with all of these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90-degree corners that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose, and then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of, or, you know, who knows? Who knows? I don't know. But that will...

1:18:22Hopefully, we will find out when it's come to this. And since 2011, I received lots of... uh, our mails and even letters on paper that, uh, the story about things that have crashed down to the, in the water. And even, uh, uh, former officers in the Navy that have contacted me that are very scared to go out with it, but they want to tell me the story about they have seen, seeing things like that in the water. Yeah. Yeah. There's even, um, in the U.S., there's a guy named John Pina Craven, he wrote a book called The Silent War. And they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US and finding things on the seafloor.

1:19:06And there are rumors that the Glowmore Explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe subsea to find objects like this. So I think there's a long history of crash retrievals in the ocean. Yeah. And it's fascinating.

1:19:40and then i don't know if you wanted to like touch on the like the Baikal lake do you know the story of like soviet divers going down to like look for something and they get petra like they meet these tall human beings. Interesting. When was that? In the 80s tomb. 82? Yeah. Because it's a big story in the UFO war. Okay. Of just like these soldiers that got petrified. Where was that? In the lake? Yeah, Lake Baikal. There's also, there's another story similar in Hawaii. This guy, David Noble White Crow, because he's an Indian guy. Yeah. He was a UFO witness, but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii.

1:20:23And the idea was maybe it was related to the Starfish Prime test series. So the Marshall Islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever, where UFO material supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy, Harold Malmgren, who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material that came out of the plume of a blast from Operation Bluegill Triple Prime, and it was given to him by Jeff Bezos' maternal grandfather, Lawrence Preston Geis, at Sandia National Labs in Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Wow. Amazing. And so, anyway, so this guy, David Noble Wright Crow, was stationed with this other guy.

1:21:04He said that he dove down and saw some sort of object, but that it was almost alive. And it was, I think Dolan might talk about this as well, Richard Dolan. So the object itself was like breathing and it was organic. And he didn't know why he was this kind of, you know, in intelligence circles, often they say, go find a thing and you don't know what you're looking for. And so he apparently looked at the object when he was down there and it really shocked him. He became, it was ontologically completely shocking. He was like, what am I seeing? And it was because it looked organic and it was like breathing.

1:21:43so and then i think about the hole with the the sand yeah but you're saying something very interesting because when we did the samples there from uh we take from not from the object but from that laying on the object it was organic burned material wow yeah organic yeah burned yeah Whoa. So like... But, you know, I'm not a specialist in that area, but it was that. So it was like charred, like... No, something at high temperature, very high temperature, and it's like basalt, as you know. And then when it's cooling down, the layers on it, when you're scrapping it, take the test, what's biologic. How'd you know?

1:22:31The science, I mean... It was biological. Yeah, they tested. It contained DNA and stuff. No, that I don't know. Okay, but it was... Biologic. When you say biological plant or animal... Can be. I don't know. ...some sort of tissue or something? Yeah, I don't know. Fascinating. Nothing. It's Dead Sea. Dead Sea, so no. But this had biological material. Yeah. So normally, you would never find biological material in this area? No, no, no. The fishes. That's fascinating. Yeah. Not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea. But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or...

1:23:06No. Not a specific animal or a specific... No. Wow. So... But hopefully, this time when we go out, we're gonna take more samples. Core drilling, as I mentioned for you. But we're gonna take... Hopefully, we can take something from the object. But if not, we take new samples from different spots around it, and even on it, and do our investigation. And I was like, you know, look at it. Amazing. Well, Godspeed, man. I'm very excited to see what you find. I think it's very cool what you're doing. And do you think, I mean, do you believe that you'll succeed in figuring out what this object is? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:23:47You do? 100%. Even if it's a stone or a volcano or whatever it is, we will find out. I don't give up. We must have an answer now to what it is. But it has been a tough time, 15 years and grey hairs, and struggling with this to convince people to get into this. And now we have the right people involved in this project, and I'm so glad for that. But it has been a tough time with threats and people that want to hurt me or my family. And so it has been tough also. I'm sorry, man. In many ways. Any specific threats that you can talk about? Not really, but you know, you get males and threatening me and my kids and lots of things like that.

1:24:40Horrible. To make me to stop or... They literally say, stop looking for the Baltic Sea anomaly. No, we know what your kids are, we know what kindergarten they are at. Now we're talking about my youngest kids. Now they are teenagers, but at that time they were in the kindergarten and school, and they said that we know about your son there and daughter there, and I was, what the, you know? Jesus. And be careful about that, blah, blah, blah, blah. I still have the mails left, you know? You do? Yeah, and lots of it. And then people that think I'm opening the door to hell. Really? Yeah. Like you're opening a gateway to hell.

1:25:24Gateway to hell, so I'm going to blame me on, you know. So it was tough. And then if you have a wife, you know, a family, and I must be open with everything. If they're fretting me and my family, I must be open with it. Well, being public is the best. Yeah, and that was very tough for them to accept that. And they did not really accept it. And it was tough for me. I mean, Dennis, what have you done? Don't put us in this situation, you know, and it was tough. But they have supported me and this because it's important. They know that's important for me. And now we are here, 2025, and we are out again.

1:26:14And hopefully we have answered this year what we have found. But even if it's a stone or whatever it is, I will continue to work in this area to find out, are we alone? And we are not alone. But who are they? Where are they coming from? What's the purpose? And so on. So that is something very important for me. Well, I think if the people mailing you didn't think it was real, they wouldn't be so vociferous and aggressive in everything they're saying. It's implying an insecurity that they actually think the thing is real. If they thought that you were obsessed with volcanic rock for 15 years, they wouldn't be threatening anything.

1:27:00No, no, no. We all on the crew, everybody on the ship, and also, as I mentioned, the Finnish guys. And we have been out there, and it's the reason we are going out. many times have been out there, not for a stone. I mean, we have seen something that have, you know, make us confused. Do you plan to document what you find throughout so that you can, I think it's important maybe for just as a defense for yourself to show the process as you're finding things so nobody can kind of deny that you, because you have evidence that you're doing it as you're doing it. Yeah. Of course, we have a plan for that.

1:27:46And we have filmed when we were out last time. We did a little filming, of course. We don't have any film crew with us or any production company because I have been a little, you know, we do it ourselves now in the beginning.

1:28:03But we have changed our mind a little now. We must think about perhaps to connect a team or get in contact with a team that can film us and document everything, because I think lots of things are going to happen when we are out now, this time, and hopefully later. That's what I hope for. And it's good to have on film also. Well, we're available.

1:28:47Did you see anything? Not yet, no. With the drone, we were flying on the, or hovering on the surface. Yeah. And we saw some rear lines from the bridge. Some cracks. Yeah. And something I would say looked like rust. They had a brownish color. Like rust? Like metal? I looked really like it. At least it was my first tuition. So like it was a little bit like old metal. And a feeling of the old sediment. But just a running theory. Why would there be metal?

1:29:38Now you see the quality of that. It's great. It's like a wall. That's the picture you take. You took when you dived for the first time with your ROV. So this is higher resolution? Yeah. Because the range is smaller so you don't... And it shows that it's even straighter than before. How long is that super straight part? I mean, let's say that's... It must be at least 30 meters. 30 meters. 60 meters the whole thing. So what are the chances of that? That's crazy. I don't know.

1:30:27My dream is that one day we can have one of these objects in a museum so a kid can like exactly can can look at it and be inspired and understand that and understand that the potential of possibility that exists in the universe for me that was the pyramid when i was a kid yeah i grew up half an hour away from it so i know the impact of having seen something that almost doesn't feel like it belongs to this reality. And like, ever since, I think I said that on camera during the Grudge, you know, the Grudge documentary, just like, that's why I'm in it for it. Cool. Because I hope that our work and every interview that we do can push people to...

1:31:02Yeah. That's why it's so important for us in this, you know, what we are doing, it's that we work together. Yeah. That we really, instead of, oh, no, he's doing that, you know what I mean. Lots of people in different groups, and I don't want to speak to them. I think the phenomena doesn't open itself up to you unless you have that orientation of loving and humanity. It'll reject you. Something perhaps I forgot to mention was about... 96, go back to 96, I was parents, I had two young guys, I was occupied with all my businesses and exploring and so on. Something I thought about later, perhaps a couple of weeks, a month after that incident, was a feeling I had.

1:32:00A feeling that usually I don't wake up so early. At that time, I was a young daddy, you know, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I use my time to sleep. When I have the chance to sleep, I sleep. Don't go up 4 o 'clock, 3.30 in the night. No way. I did not. As now, I'm an old guy. I'm gonna go up and pee, you know. That's what I'm doing. Not at that time. But I wake up of some reason, of some reason, I don't understand today. And perhaps, perhaps, there was that feeling I I had in some way, and I began to think about it later, after a couple of weeks, that perhaps it was some plan for me to wake up and see it, because I had the feeling after it, not in the situation.

1:32:59Then I was angry and pissed off because I did not understand what I'm seeing. But after a week or two weeks, I begin to, how come? And I talked to my wife at that time, you know? How come? And she, no, Dennis, I don't know. You used to sleep a long time, but this time I wake up. And it was something. I cannot put my finger on it, but something. Do you know what a time loop is? Or a closed time-like curve in physics? No. It's two connected points in time that couldn't exist without one another. They're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, you know, the Swiss psychologist. He was a contemporary of Freud.

1:33:41He had a patient, and this patient was very kind of materialist, reductionist, just believed in the physical world, was very rational. Yeah. And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. And it was this very important thing in her dream. She comes in, she talks to Carl Jung, who's her, you know, psychologist. And she says that, I don't know, I was given this scarab beetle. It's very strange. I don't know. But she's very skeptical. And as she's telling the story, a scarab beetle comes down the windowsill and lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. And then she gets so emotional and starts crying.

1:34:22And it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work and that there's far more beyond, you know, just our material existence and plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab beetle, then the dream itself wouldn't have been this self-fulfilling prophecy. And he wouldn't have gifted it to her, and the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so, there are two points connected in space and time. And so, I think that could be what's happening with you right now, where... And it's a lot of people, you know, I think the almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, oh, I'm this very impartial observer, and I haven't been affected by this on a core personal level.

1:35:08And then you get a little deeper, you have drinks with the person, and they're like, okay, I saw something five years ago, and I know it's real, so now I'm looking for it. And I have a similar, I've seen stuff, and it was right at the start of doing this show, and it really has impacted my own desire to substantiate what I saw more. And so I do believe what you just said. Yeah, I saw what I saw, and then I decided to be quiet about it. As I mentioned, I tried to see if I can find any information in local papers, in the military sites, and so on. And I did not find anything. And I decided to be totally quiet about it.

1:35:53The only people that had known about it was my family, my closest friends. But then on the cruising with the ship, because they were curious about the Baltic Sea anomaly, one young guy coming to me, Dennis, have you seen anything? I mean, the UFOs. And I just, I should not talk about that. And then, okay, let's do it. I say it. That was the first time I mentioned it for a public or for a person. That's amazing. And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life that there's something else out there.

1:36:40Maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, ah, it's probably a prosaic thing. Why would I spend so much time on this thing? So it's interesting. Even a scientist as reputable as Gary Nolan at Stanford, it's similar where he kind of started to uncover experiences he had had in his childhood when he got into the subject professionally later in life. So I think it's impossible to completely separate the observer and the observed. And I think it's always honorable when anybody admits what's driving them is you know often a personal experience there's no way to decouple those two things oh interesting interesting very interesting yeah well the journey let's find out what it is okay great thank you thank you yeah you're a curious guy and that's good i'm i'm a curious guy and that's so important for me to continue still i'm alive i'm healthy and i'm okay but You never know.

1:37:40Someday you just get sick and you don't have the energy to continue. But still, I'm... You're great now, man. I want to do it. Yeah. Continue to find the answer without the military or the governments. Yes, I agree. Yeah, that's important for me. Yeah. No, for humanity. For the world. For the future, for my kids, grandkids and so on. Yes. Oh, I think you will. I think you have the right energy towards it. I'll do my best. I want to go dodge down there.

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