23 Years in Prison for beating up 27 Child Predators - "Alaskan Avenger" Jason Vukovich

31:31It does. Whether you've got a soul or not, I don't know, but I believe there's something internal in you where it scars it. It does. You know, it does. There's absolutely no question. I don't have to say anything, not a word to a child. If I just hit him every single day while he's developing without ever saying a word, I have communicated to that spirit. It is worthless. It is certainly secondary to me, uh, and has no value. That is what you're communicating. And so my actions in life, uh, demonstrated that man, I should have signed up and gone to school. I remember I wanted to go to the Coast Guard I wanted to be a Coast Guard dude I would have been great at it smart capable communicate well good grades um none of that possible for me because you know I often tell people they'll say bro how did it feel how did it feel to smash those dudes how did it feel um you know every single time I assaulted a child predator I got a tiny sliver of my soul back um and that's a harsh truth but it's true it's true it actually gave me some of myself back and the reason why is because when i was a kid every single time that dude came through the door i lost every time i know I want to hire a private investigator.

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33:49The moment when nature, institutions and technology fail at the exact same time. That's all systems down and new Snap Judgment miniseries from KQED. Tap to listen now. ever won a single time, not once. Um, but I can assure you as an adult, every time I came through the door, I won every time. Um, and just that knowledge, your spirit knowing, um, man, these guys aren't, don't have dominance over me. You know what I mean? It's healing to your soul because you don't know that till you have that experience. Yeah, I believe so because they say time is a healer, but I believe you adapt to the pain. No matter if you lose someone, you just can't kind of live with it.

34:40But they say like forgive and forget. But at a stage in life now, there's no forgetting what these people have done. This world can be a beautiful place. It is run backwards for the greedy of the elites to try and control and manipulate and get everyone to hate. revenge is sweet it's beautiful i'm at that stage my life is going great but even listening to your story and understanding what you've done yeah i think stuff needs to be done now it does to get the power back and take away the evil it does and you know what's interesting about that statement is and this is another i tell people i'm simple as genius guy this is actually true you know the single largest body of humanity on the face of the earth, bigger than any army, bigger than any government, bigger than any body, political body or otherwise on the face of this earth are the survivors of childhood abuse and trauma.

35:38We are bigger than any group on this planet. If all of us stepped forward on the same time, on the same day, all over the world, bro, we're massive. We're 10 times bigger than they are. They've been abusing us for lifetimes. And the thing is, the primary symptom of child abuse is isolationism. That is the primary symptom. And so most of us, tens of hundreds of millions of us have isolated from others, certainly hid what's shameful to us. I'm not going to meet you and tell you, yeah, bro, when I was a kid, my dad used to jack me off. And then you're going to say, Oh yeah, that happened to me. People hide that shit, bro.

36:22We bury it. Um, and so a lot of what I do now with social media platforms and everything else is try to remind people, if you're the survivor of childhood abuse or trauma, you're family to me, you're family. And the reason why is because we went through the same exact war you and I did. We're family. We're an eclectic family. Most of our members don't even know they're part of something, but you are and you earned it through your suffering or what you went through. So it's kind of, I agree with you, the time is now, but there's a few hurdles to get past the isolationism that most people latch onto that survive it.

37:04Um, and then number two, complacency is a thing. It's a real thing. I find a massive body of humanity on this earth that are quick to say what's wrong, quick to point out what they've learned, but not quick to get off their ass and go vote for the right person. Or like in my case, somebody get off your ass and go handle that. I'll tell you this, nearly 12 years in prison with the entire weight. Now, maybe outside of prison, maybe people were saying I was a hero. Me inside of prison, inside of the system, I was being told I was a piece of shit. I was an addict. I was a criminal. I was a lifetime criminal.

37:49My sentencing report says I'm such a horrible person. The state would be wasting their resources to try to reform me. That's what the sentencing report said. So inside the whole time I'm being told I'm fucking worthless. I'm a piece of shit. You're wrong and you think wrong, you know, et cetera, et cetera. However, every single night, I promise you I slept well. And the reason why is because when I was a little kid, if some tattooed badass would have kicked my front door in and beat the brakes off the dude that was molesting me, bro, that would have changed my life. I would have said, yeah, holy shit, there is a God.

38:31somebody is listening, but that never happened. Never a church person never even asked if I was all right. Nobody gave a shit. So the fact that I was privileged enough to be that for some kids is absolutely. It's a privilege, bro. It's amazing. Because it seems to be worse than it's ever been. I don't know if social media has heightened that we have all these kids playing these computer games and Snapchat, even porn. When people go on porn, it's all not a school girl, sleeping with stepfather, sleeping with brother. It's incest, it's paedophilia. And people are, because I interviewed that undercover cop who pretended to be a paedophile so he could catch them.

39:16And you know, one of his biggest worry was, because he was seeing so much of it, he thought he'd be like them. And he was scared, he said, and I respected that. Yeah, of course. Because he admitted that. Thankfully, he never, but he was seeing so much of it. It becomes so desensitized. Yeah. And he was worried that he could start enjoying it. Yeah. He done that job for 20 years. His head is gone. Oh, I'm sure it is. Gone. I'm sure it is. It's a sacrifice. Yeah. It is. It just seems so much of it everywhere. Online, social media, grooming gangs, paedophiles everywhere. I don't know if it's always been high numbers like this, but social media seems to have heightened it.

39:56I think that it has heightened our awareness of it, and I do believe that it has heightened people's deviant behavior. And I say that because, you know, everybody's got to realize that controlling what the group thinks about or focuses on or believes is real is an old trade. This is an old practice, and there's a number of major players in the game as far as media or church and so forth. So another component that's really important is right now the world is focused on the rich and the elite and the powerful and their child trafficking and the horrendous things they're doing. Meanwhile, I can do a story every single day, every day.

40:49Just did one this morning. 28-year-old mother and her 25-year-old boyfriend uh the boyfriend was beating her five-year-old son tying his hands behind his back putting him in a dog cage they're making him drink boiling water etc etc etc the story goes and these are regular ordinary people that look just like you and me you'd pass them on the street today tomorrow they're not rich they're not elite and they are chewing up kids and spitting them out the people in Alabama that had the underground bunker these are regular ordinary junkie you know people that you see on the street. So keep in mind also another insight on this is I believe perhaps, and there's been some studies to back this opinion, that perhaps there are other species of humans on this planet.

41:44And the reason why I say that is you and I have never seen a child and had a sexual impulse ever. Never. The reason why? Because we're fucking human. Empathy, concern, you know, any of those feelings, natural to a human being. Sexualizing a child, that is unnatural for a human being. That is not in our nature. It's not part of our nature. We know this because we're human. We've never had this. Therefore, this tells me it must be some other species, if it's a biological thing, or if it's a spiritual thing. Um, and again, I have experience in this. I will tell you, um, there are weirdos, there are deviants, and then there are people that are 100 % possessed of an entity or an energy that is non-human.

42:37Call it a demon, call it what you will. I've seen them, I've interacted with them. That is 100 % real. yeah listen I believe that because as a human being even the thought of a dog or an animal being harmed I reckon if someone tried to harm my dogs I would kill them oh yes easily oh yeah because the fact of like when I stand in my dog's paw it fucking breaks my heart exactly oh shit I'm sorry enough I'm on my knees and I'm cuddling it like it's like you say it's empathy to feel how can you when a kid is screaming but yet that turned you on how can like that is these people don't deserve to be here yeah it's true obviously they say a lot of abusers become abusers themselves one third i think but how can it start where does it stem from like raping fucking five month old babies like what that's crazy yeah so i am a um i'm an investigator and i seek knowledge just like yourself just like other people because this is my life path and i happen to find myself in a penitentiary surrounded by sexual deviance.

43:46They're everywhere in the prison system. So one anecdote, I remember being transferred to a prison and at this prison, you turn your dirty laundry in and a laundry guy washes it and gives it back. Well, first time I come down, it's an older black guy and he's like, oh yes, yes, sir. God bless you here. I'm going to do yours right away. I want to hire a private investigator. Some folks say I'm the best. ABC Tuesdays, TV's hottest PI is back. You sure you're ready to take on a serial killer? It's like a dozen more likely explanations other than serial killer. All right, maybe not a dozen. In Florida, crime has no off-season.

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45:11The must-see galactic adventure comes home on Disney+. This is the way. Our only chance is to work together. I like this kid. Always wear your seatbelt. Star Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu. Now streaming on Disney+. Raid PG-13. Just really giving me extreme customer service. I don't even know this guy. And I go up and ask my cell, hey, man, who's the old school black dude in laundry, man? He is like kissing my ass and hustling. I don't even know this dude. And he's like, oh, you don't know the Iceman? I'm like, no. And he's like, bro, Iceman has been in prison for 35 years, has knocked out and raped more young dudes that have come through the prison system.

46:00And then like 10 years ago, he became a Christian and stopped doing it. Um, so he probably knows who the fuck you are and is trying to get on your good side. Um, and I thought to myself, Oh, interesting. So I went down, um, because again, I want answers, solutions. And I asked him, bro, how the fuck, and you know, if you're a sensitive viewer plug your ears how the fuck do you peel down a greasy sweaty prison dude's jail pants look at his sweaty butt crack and feel turned on like how i just can't even fathom that there's nothing sexually appealing about that and he tells me oh no no no it's the power it's just about having power and that was a real sharp insight into how they think and how they operate to them it's not sex with a baby.

46:51It's me controlling another being, controlling it in the most extreme measure possible. It's not necessarily raping a young boy. It's controlling this being and showing it that I have control. That's what it's about. Do you think it can never be changed? They say the mindset can never be changed of that. But also, do you think there's enough things in place? Because as an addict who struggled with gambling and drugs, I never admitted anything. I was ashamed. Sure. Can you imagine having those thoughts? You're never going to speak to anybody and talk about it, but should there be things in place, phone calls, like for people to say, I've got the thoughts, I don't want to act on them, but because obviously I don't know if they can, because all the stuff that we hear about is only a very small percentage of the people who die with the pain, the coverups.

47:43So because it's so rife, is there enough things in place for people who maybe have those thoughts? to maybe go and speak to someone for help. No, no. And you know, again, this is very thin ice that we're treading with this conversation because, you know, there is an ocean of people that are on the just kill them all bandwagon and they're loud and they're not wrong. They're not wrong. When you've molested a child, you've effectively killed who or what that person was or was going to be. It's a murder in a sense. So they're not wrong. However, these people, knowing there's an ocean of people that want to kill them or want them dead, it causes them to not be open, not tell you what's going on.

48:29There's a reaction there. So, again, I've read, bro, I'm well-studied. And I will tell you this, in 2007, there was a team, Ivy League doctors, that did a study, and they MRI'd 10 ,000 pedophiles' brains. And they identified at that point that these people have degraded white matter in their brain. Effectively, they have a different brain than the rest of us. It is different and it's identifiable in an MRI, which tells me they could address that with chemistry. They could address the brain with surgery. They could address it. But the problem is there isn't. Children are still a commodity. You have to motivate a pharmaceutical company or a medical research lab to do the research and come up with the remedy.

49:19And I'm not talking about controlling whether your penis gets hard or not or chemical castration. I'm talking about addressing the impulse in their brain. So. Since no medical corporations or researchers have done that work because they're not motivated to do so, don't see a profit in it, then we're left with only two options. Literally, number one, isolate them. They must be isolated. You, there is no psychological treatment for child predators. There isn't one. There's none. There isn't a single psychologist, psychiatrist on the face of this earth that is offering an effective relief from your impulse to sexualize kids.

50:06Not one. Try to find one. Why is that with all the medical studies with the pharmaceutical industry. It's the biggest killer on the planet. They've got so many labels now and so many tablets for all these labels. But the one biggest that destroys the world, they don't have anything for it. Yeah, it's because, it's actually because the decision makers, you have to realize our life is a series of echoes. So this life we're living right here, the privileges we have, the freedoms we have, That's based on decisions that people more powerful than you and I made somewhere else. That's why we're living this way.

50:47Similarly, children are a commodity and they're sexualized and the punishments for their crimes is much reduced because people more powerful than us somewhere made decisions and decided a child is a commodity. They've decided that. So our mission has to be to assemble a group that has figured out how to set aside, whether you're Democrat or Republican to set aside, whether you like Trump or hate him, you have to set all those things aside, your skin color, how you worship all those things. Uh, and decide, Hey, check it out. We're going to stand up for our kids. All of us at once. It's the feeling when I was in prison, I used to work in the gym.

51:31Yeah. So we had different halls coming over like in the morning, noon, evening, the pedophiles would come over first thing in the morning. The presence, the energy. I'm very in tune anyway. I could walk by someone in the street and I get that feeling. The vibe. I feel that they're dark. For sure. I don't know if I could judge you. Right. I just get the presence. Yeah. He's not, he's not right. He's not normal. Like we have a presence quite loving, quite open. Yeah. We think, yeah, we can't, I don't trust anybody. So there's always an element of, yeah, he's good anyway, but there's certain people I think it's the eyes, it's the little tints in the glasses, it's the gray hair, and I think something just ain't right.

52:13Yeah, it's funny you say that because, again, simple is genius. I call it my internal compass. And I think it's sort of, you know, the old water witches, they would have the little stick, the dousing rod, which allegedly would dip when there's water present. Some debate whether it's the it's the operator's hands that are making it do it. It's really the operator's intuition. very similarly something happened when i was a kid um which created a bond for for lack of a better term between myself and people that assault children and i say that because it does not matter where i go what state what country they recognize me and i recognize them and i don't mean hey there's that dude, that celebrity from a spiritual level, from an energetic level, our energies do not match.

53:10And you've just really got to be somebody that has been in the trenches. And another thing too, a lot of people have opinions and they have thoughts, but you haven't stood in the room alone at midnight, just you and the child predator where he's terrified and scared. and he's looking at you, that's when you get to know who these people are and how these people are. And I'm telling you, bro, there is a wide spectrum. I have had some of them beg me to kill them because one guy in particular, I remember, did a short prison sentence. They gave him housing afterwards and his apartment overlooked a daycare.

53:49And this dude was begging me to end his life because he said, some days I stand here and masturbate in the window and I won't leave my apartment because I know I want to go assault a child and I don't want to do it, but that's what I want to do. And just begging and begging and begging me to end his life because he was living with that compulsion and it wouldn't go away. Um, and so unfortunately, I mean, it's unfortunate for them. There is only currently two modes to address it, isolate them or end their life. That's it. When did the drug addiction take its toll? Drug addiction for me, um, started pretty much the day I ran away from home.

54:33I started with weed. Um, to me, um, smoking weed was amazing. It made all of those feelings go away. Um, it was great. I didn't have to think about any pain or shame or anything. I just laughed, bro, and ate, got hella fat, got stoned. I loved it. I fucking love this, Will. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then as life progressed, um, I was a working man in between. I wasn't just a full-time thief. Of course I was working as well. Um, somebody introduced me to a line of speed on the job site one time and, oh man, this is great. Now I'm not tired. So I started snorting that stuff and all of the years, um, of my young adult life, I was either stoned or high, never progressed to the point where like I never used a needle.

55:22I never used heroin. I never did any things like that. But drug addiction pacified all of that part of my brain all of those years. I'm Gwen Washington from Snap Judgment, the storytelling podcast from KQED. Imagine an iconic piece of paradise overrun by one of the most horrific fires in recent memory. Everyone flees. Everyone except one person who decides to fight the flames alone. the moment when nature, institutions, and technology fail at the exact same time. That's All Systems Down and new Snap Judgment miniseries from KQED. Tap to listen now. Star Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu is now streaming on Disney+.

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57:10Similarly, I would tell people, I'm good and I'm good. Yeah. My dad fucked me up when I was a kid, but I'm good. Um, and it takes some humility, um, later on in life to, you know, admit to yourself, check it out. I'm not good. I'm not. And for me, it was just looking back over the wasteland of my life, the decisions that I made, you know, even the hero portion of my life. You've got to realize I went in no mask, face up, no gun, no knife. Bro, I'm a felon. I have, bro, I could have gone with any type of gun, ski mask, duct tape. I could have done anything I wanted to. clearly this was a kid who is now an adult i wanted them to see me i wanted them to see my face i didn't want to have a firearm i wanted them to put their fucking hands up and face me man to man and let's do this um and it's funny people focus on the hammer uh assault on one of them well interestingly that particular night i was knocking on this dude's windows to his house it was about 11 30 12 o 'clock on the summer evening telling him answer your front door I gotta see you and he would not answer his door pound it on his windows so I went back to my car I had a tool bag and I was like oh shit I got my hammer boom broke out the side light on his house climbed inside um unbeknownst to me he was he lived in a in a you know like a small mansion um he had converted a portion of it into a bed and breakfast i didn't know this so he had there was another couple staying there so i come in the house with a hammer uh looking however i looked and this couple comes out and i just tell him get back in the room this doesn't have anything to do with you and they were like oh shit and backpedaled and shut the door um this dude was barricaded in his bedroom and i booted his bedroom door in and again probably would have been wise to check the height and weight on the profile pictures that i had of this dude because i boot in his bedroom door and i've just fucking this guy is like six foot six three hundred and eighty pounds and i was like oh shit this is gonna be a good one and um you know you you i would want to humble them immediately.

59:39Um, and it's kind of funny. You said how you sense their vibe, which is readily readable anytime any of them are around, but also in reverse, um, bro, eight times out of 10, if I was pounding on the front door and they opened it, they knew exactly what time it was. They would stand up against the door and I'd walk right past them into their house. Come on, come on. And they'd follow me in like a little puppy. They knew exactly what time it was. but this guy was big and I was telling him get on the ground sit on the floor and he didn't want to comply and he started asking me like who are you and what are you doing here funny story the whole world knows me as the Alaskan Avenger well it was that night I told him you can consider me an avenging angel for the children you've molested at which point he sort of hit me with a couple of big lumbering punches, which I allowed him to do.

1:00:34Um, and I was like, Oh really? And I remembered I had that hammer in a bag in between us and I sort of just squatted down and picked it up, shattered his collarbone with the first blow and that dropped him. Um, and then I did crack him in the head three or four times with a hammer, you know, and just to satisfy people's curiosity, if you've ever cracked a walnut at Christmas, imagine doing one the size of a volleyball with a hammer. That's what it sounded like. And yes, it fucking felt amazing. So this is where I'm at as well. Because I hear all these stories, my mind straight away is thinking torture, kill, pain.

1:01:13What does that say about us then? Are we losing our minds? Yeah. Because I genuinely, hand on hat, would quite happily tie someone up and fucking torture them. because of the heartbreaking thing. When I hear these stories of those young kids screaming in here, it takes me to my kids. And I can't overcome it. I overwrite it in my brain. So where does that take us then in a society? Yeah. And it's funny because, um, also, will you pass me that drink right there on the shelf? Thank you, bro. Um, it was interesting because it's a great point. Um, first of all, just to understand how these people are, keep in mind i never told the press anything that night because that couple had seen me of course they went back in their room called the cops i didn't leave till i was done with this dude so as i'm driving away half a block i might have made it all the cops came racing in and got me um it was a couple of days later in the jail cell the newspaper comes under the door And it says Alaska's avenging angel assaults pedophiles or something.

1:02:20This dude had given a press conference from the emergency room, a woe is me press conference. When will my suffering ever end? It had been four years or whatever. And mind you, this dude was convicted of molesting a 10 month old baby. Okay. Putting objects inside of a 10 month old baby was his crime. He's a demon. uh but it was him that told the press that i said i was an avenging angel for kids um so kind of ironically the handle that the entire world knows me by came from one of the pedophiles that i assaulted telling the media um but you know there was a girl that had followed me a couple of these girls were also rape survivors molestation survivors and they came with me one night and unbeknownst to me one of them apparently was recording what i was doing with this guy in the apartment i put him in a chair and was just open hand beating the shit out of him giving him a sermon about assaulting kids well you can imagine my chagrin months later i get an attorney visit and i walk in the visitation room and i hear my voice coming through his laptop and he's like well look what we just got from the prosecutor and he spins it around there i am slapping the shit out of a guy and i stood there and watched it and it's it was like four or five minutes and when it was over i told him damn you know what that was hella fucking righteous bro i didn't see some dude torturing him uh exerting weirdo power over him that was hella righteous like that literally was done how it should be i slapped and beat the shit out of the dude and told him to stop molesting kids.

1:04:06And then I told a couple of rape survivors to go ahead and take anything in his house because every single thing these people have belongs to us, including the air in their lungs. It's ours because they've taken everything from us, bro. Everything. What made you come back here? Because this would have been hell for you. Yeah. What made you come back into the fire pit? You know, I thought, um, you know, at the time I had matured into an adult. I had kids. Um, the parents and family that I once had here had long since moved and died. Um, the church had dissolved. It wasn't up here anymore. So from my perspective, I wasn't thinking about childhood abuse or anything like that.

1:04:50When I came back, I was thinking about, man, they pay good money in Alaska, not a lot of gangs and drugs, you know, maybe it'll be a cool place to go revisit um plus at the time i think i had warrants in california oregon washington montana wasn't feeling like the extradition ride you know so that's why i came back and what was the method to then get revenge to then take some power back to then show survivors that they're not alone yeah that there's always payback and karma is a beautiful thing i don't know if it works in this dimension next dimension i genuinely don't know but i i do always know karma always prevails yeah maybe not this year five years ten years something always catches up yep it's really bad well and you know what happened for me was i came back to alaska had the mother of my children actually passed away um yeah yeah no it's she was a had an alcohol issue um but i started interacting with the community up here, single moms, the next door neighbor.

1:05:57And bro, it was like every single one of them is telling me, Hey, this guy that's down there and he sells dope and he's got these 14 year old girls and this guy that's over here, he's been molesting my sister. And I just started hearing it. Um, and the way the universe works, you know, I will just tell you this i i am the person that believes that angels operate through us i don't believe that they operate independently from us i think they operate through us um and you know if you're a person that feels that heart's calling to to go do something um which i was that person um and you know i simply followed that calling bro i i went places there were some evenings i would show up and there's no fucking way I was there at that exact moment, at that exact time.

1:06:51I recall one time, I don't know how I got his information, but it was a native guy here in Alaska. Went to his address. He lived in an apartment building. It was a summer evening, and I get to the apartment, and first there's a big group of kids playing outside, and they're sort of circulating around me as I'm walking up, and I'm telling them, hey, kids, all right, all right, you guys got to go. I got something important I got to do. And I walk upstairs and I can hear music playing behind this apartment door. So I stick my finger over the people. Boom, boom, boom. Music, nobody answers. So I boom, boom, boom, boom again.

1:07:31A couple of minutes later, man, the door opens and here's a native dude in his forties, no shirt on, clearly drunk. And I can see right past him into the bedroom and on the bed are two 12 11 10 year old girls in their underwear both obviously drunk as well um and somehow some way man i had arrived at that address at that apartment at that moment probably three minutes before something horrible was going to happen with these two girls and i just grabbed this dude by the skin on the front of his chest and jerked him right out of his apartment and you're coming with me and shut the door. And, um, it's just moments like that, bro, where you realize like, you know what, sometimes, uh, you are called to do unorthodox things that perhaps other people would not understand.

1:08:23Um, and when you follow that calling, bro, I can promise you this. There's a couple of kids that are sure grateful I showed up that night. You know, how do you keep the balance of not overstepping the mark and killing them? because it must be difficult to hold in that rage, to show them a lesson, to beat fuck out. Oh yes. Beautiful thing. But how do you control that? Yeah. Um, I think some of that is, you know, there's, there's people that take great pleasure in just violence in general. Um, you know, say it a different way. There's some guys that love to fight. They do. I'm not that guy, bro.

1:08:57I don't love to fight. I don't enjoy fighting. I'm not a person that, you know, I'm not Mr. Badass out there, you know, looking to pick fights and things like that. But, um, if there is anything in this world that inspires me to bring out that spirit that is in me, it's that man for the safety of kids to, to specifically answer your question. It's probably because God didn't want me to be stuck in prison the rest of my life. Cause there's a couple of them that should be dead. And what about the third one? Who was he? Did any of them ever say sorry when they're getting the crap beat out of them?

1:09:37No. Never? No. The closest to an apology I ever got was the ones that would beg me to kill them. Because they're basically admitting, you know, they're never going to change and they don't even want to live with who or what they are. And, you know, being a kid that was raised in a spiritual environment, you know, for instance, if you were raised by a psychologist, every person or every situation you encountered would be a malady or a psychosis of some type. That's how you would describe it. Being a kid that was raised in a church, having the gift or the ability to discern, I'm telling you, man, there are some of them that are energetic beings that don't belong on this material plane.

1:10:25They should not be in bodies here. Um, you know, easy way for me to describe it. I tell people all the time, well, guess what's not happening on the spiritual plane? There's no molesting. There's no bodies. There's no molesting. There's no beating and torturing on the spiritual plane. Some of these things are energetic beings animating physical bodies on this planet, and they should not be here. They don't belong here. How did you get caught? Um, well, that particular night, um, Um, that the couple that was renting a room in this guy's house must have called the police. Um, so I was racing away from his house and all of the cops converged on me.

1:11:07Interesting arrest too, because, um, a number of them right from the jump, they arrested me, but they were patting me on the back saying, did you get him? Did you get him good? Because at that time, I had laid a pretty good, uh, reputation for myself, because I was, I pled out to three, but I was initially charged with 27 felonies. Um, and they arrested me with a book of names, a number of them crossed off. Um, but there was also a number of them I had visited that didn't want to participate in any, you know, law enforcement stuff-wise. Because their name would have then came out of the forefront?

1:11:46Yes. But some of them are thick though. Like that guy giving a statement from his hospital bed. Oh yeah, bro. Narcissistic, um, egotistical, maniacal. Um, a lot of them are the, are that person, you know, this guy had a three page press conference and he would not face the camera that I remember there's, and you can let it's Anchorage daily news. It's on the record pictures of the back of his head, the side of his head, um, you know, paragraphs. about, oh, this has been four years and when is my suffering going to end? And you know, I'll tell you this, he even came into the court to testify at my sentencing.

1:12:26And I recall being handcuffed and seeing this dude walk in, colostomy bag, TBI, stuttering, telling the judge like, oh, I can't sleep at night. I got to check the locks on my doors. And I recall listening to him, thinking to myself like, yeah, yeah, motherfucker. Now you get it. Because that's exactly what I did for more than 10 years of my childhood, barricaded the door, scared to go to bed. This dude might be coming. And interesting factoid, be careful what you ask for, because this dude told the judge, please, please just keep him in prison until I die, because I'm too scared to know he's free and I'm still alive.

1:13:06Well, two years later, he died, and I'm free. Beautiful. So it was 27 names? Yeah. It was allegedly you had done. I had already done. Yeah. Yes. That's beautiful. Well, and you know, that's fucking beautiful. You can probably liken it to, good analogy would be the shoplifter that's in court for three shoplifting charges. You could probably assume he's been shoplifting for some time, probably thousands of times he just recently got caught. Certainly that was the case in my case because I had a heart and a calling for this sort of thing for a long, long, long time, bro. and I've lived in Montana, California, Washington, Idaho.

1:13:49Uh, and if you're one of the guys that I saw in any one of those states, you remember me. Um, you definitely remember me. Did you find some peace doing that? It brought healing to my soul, man. It was literally like a bomb to my soul. Um, And it's extremely difficult to communicate to others what it has done, not just for myself, but for millions of other people. Bro, I got letters, hundreds of them, from other abuse survivors telling me, thank you, because at night when I'm having night terrors and I can't sleep, and I'm thinking about that guy that used to come through the door and molest me, I just imagine you being there and beating him up and stomping him out, whatever.

1:14:37and it allows me to sleep at night. So it's like, there was also, you know, another, another point when I got out, JD delay, who's a big YouTuber flew up, showed me how to produce content, do stuff. Um, and I remember him, you know, trying to advise me before I got released telling me, bro, we got to call your YouTube channel, the Alaskan Avenger. We have to, bro. We have to. And I was telling him, no, no, bro. Listen, man, I'm not a superhero. I'm just a guy. I fucking hate that. We're not calling it that. But then weeks after getting released, bro, I realized that there were millions of people that were hungry, desperate for an archetype that represented winning over the child abuser that had abused them.

1:15:27We don't have that. You know, somebody that wins over these sort of people, because when you're a kid and you're being molested and abused, you are also told the whole time that you're wrong. This is happening because you're wrong. The reason why something is happening to you is because you are wrong. And so for people to actually have that image in their mind of winning and triumphing over these sort of people, I was like, you know what? Run that. It's the Alaskan Avenger. How was the court process for you? Because 23 years is a lot. That's a life sentence. Yeah, I thought my life was over. I did.

1:16:05Yeah, I thought my life was over. And throughout the course of the sentencing and the run-up to the sentencing, it was absolutely intense and they were absolutely steadfast and focused, the state, on portraying me as a lifetime piece of shit criminal. I was just I remember laughing when the prosecutor at sentencing is telling the judge I only went after registered sex offenders because I knew that felons weren't allowed to have guns. So I was going into homes of felons because I knew they wouldn't have a gun and shoot me, which is pretty much one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I don't know if you know any felons, but I do.

1:16:47And check it out. They got guns, plenty of guns. so they were they did everything in their power to portray me as a drug addict thief that was looking for soft targets um we brought in a ptsd expert to explain childhood abuse and trauma and how it manifests in adult life disregarded it we attempted to get therapy and counseling and restitution instead of just straight prison time everything denied they wanted quote unquote from the judge they wanted to send a message to the community with this sentence and again perspective is a crazy thing but imagine me standing there thinking to myself well you know because i'm either really dumb or kind of smart along the way i decided to give them an offer so i wrote a letter sent it to the newspaper who anchorage daily news is great they publish everything i sent them front page, front page of the newspaper, I told them, I will plead guilty to any combination of charges you wish, doesn't matter.

1:17:53One caveat, I want my sentence to equal in length what each pedophile served in prison for their assault on a child. And I will serve each one of their prison sentences back to back to back. So the total combined years all three victims were given, the guy that I hammered, molested a 10 month old baby. He did two years in prison. The dude, second dude I was convicted of raped his own daughter, served one year in prison. The other one was a child pornographer who ironically did the most prison time, three years. Um, three of them combined came to six years, nine months. And I told him, and I'll serve the three years in prison you suspended for the monster that made me the child molester that made me when I was a little kid, I'll serve his three years too.

1:18:42So nine years, nine months, run that. I'll plead guilty to whatever you want. And bro, they were appalled, ashamed, outraged. They were mad. That's not how we do justice in this state. And ultimately they gave me three times longer in prison for assaulting the pedophiles than they gave the pedophiles for molesting the kids. Insane. The legendary 40 where you're smiling to your brother who you haven't seen in many years, because I believe you thought no matter what I get, my brother's going to come back into my life. Like what was that story? Yeah, I really did. You know, um, when Joel ran away, when we were kids, I never saw him again.

1:19:23I hadn't seen him in 20 years. And in the run-up to the sentencing, my attorney out of the blue one day says, Hey man, I got a call from Joel. Um, and I was like, Oh shit, my brother. He's like, yeah, he wants to come up for your sentencing. And I really thought in that moment, man, holy shit, you know what? I lost the rest of my life, but at least I got my brother back. Worth it. It's worth it. And, um, you know, standing there, that picture that everybody has seen, um, what people don't know is when we were kids, my brother would go first because he didn't want my dad to to go at me first. And so my brother couldn't fight him, but he would go first.

1:20:12When my dad came through the door, he would let him molest him first. And so people don't know as I was smiling at my brother, because this time I got us, bro. I got us. And I was smiling at him because finally I got us this time. And, uh, you know, it was kind of sad because after the testimony in the courtroom he came to visit me and uh they called me for a visit and um i was like man this is so great i went up there and joel said look man to be honest with you just the sound of your voice brings back my childhood and all the shit we went through everything i've done so much to put behind me in the past and he's like i really i can't have you in my life man i can't it brings back all the abuse.

1:20:58So good luck. And he left and I've never heard from him since. Can you understand that though? I have to, I have to. Because it must be such a tough decision because if he showed up, it shows you that he still thinks about you. He still loves you. He probably still wants to be beside you, but. Can't do it. That pain. Yeah. That's how much the fucking torment, and that's why paedophiles should be tortured. Yeah. Because it's a life sentence they have given to kids. It is a life sentence. You know, um, again, I remember standing there in the courtroom when the judge said 23 years. Um, and that sort of time, a sentence like that sort of settles on you like a weight, you physically feel the weight of it.

1:21:41But in that moment, I was honestly laughing inside because I thought to myself, man, this motherfucker really doesn't get it. I got my life sentence when I was 12 years old, eight years old. You can't take anything from me. It's already all gone. It literally ended whatever life I would have had, bro. I wanted to be in the Coast Guard. I would have gone and had a great successful life and career. All that was taken from me by a pedophile. Um, and probably the sooner we figure out how to change out decision makers like that, the better our world will be because anyone, bro, anyone in the room with any sense, any capacity to evaluate another human being would have clearly seen what was going on.

1:22:29It's right there in front of you. We've brought in German psychiatrist experts telling you there is one reason and one reason only why an adult is out assaulting pedophiles. That's because he is the product of child abuse. He needs therapy and counseling. That's what he needs. What was it like first night in prison doing nearly 25 years? Yeah. Like I say, I, I can, I was convinced my life was over and, and I haven't told anybody this, but you know, before I went to sentencing, I had it set in my mind. If I get more than 20 years, I'm just going to hang myself. I'm just going to do it. Um, and I had a, I had a cell, I had a cellmate, um, that had taught me how to fashion a noose.

1:23:13You can actually make a noose that will suspend human body weight with one roll of toilet paper. you you can weave seven strands and hang a body off of a roll of toilet paper and we had a roof in the cell that had these penetrations in it and we had the whole thing set up two loops the noose was already made ready to go and um i came back after that and i was like well it's 23 years man so i'm gonna do it and once again the universe works in mysterious ways it just so happened at that exact moment, there was two weeks remaining on what was called Senate Bill 91. Senate Bill 91 was like a restorative justice, uh, sort of prison bill, which meant people with crimes, um, in the class that mine was could serve a quarter of their sentence and then apply for discretionary parole.

1:24:07So I went from thinking I was going to serve the next 18 years in prison to realizing, holy shit, a quarter of the time, that's six years. I could be out in six or seven years. That's fucking amazing. I'm not going to kill myself. Are you crazy? So, um, just the prison gauntlet in and of itself, you can interview a whole array of prison dudes and they'll tell you all the standard, you know, prison stories. But I will tell you this, prison is a gauntlet. There There are gangs, there are drug trades, there's gambling, there's cops that don't like you. There's POs that don't like you. There's a, it is an absolute gauntlet and you must approach your prison time.

1:24:50Like you're playing a chess game against a master. You have to, because if you do not, bro, there's no way I completed 41 classes, dodged more gang hits and rumbles on the yard and dope sacks coming in and the cop that doesn't like me, then you can even imagine to end up sitting right here with an ankle monitor out of prison. It's a gauntlet. Yeah. You said you got stabbed and shot as well. Oh yeah. When was that? Oh, many, many years ago, got stabbed, uh, got shot. Excuse me. You can see the bullet all in the knee, got shot in the back shoulder, um, stabbed in the side, not in prison, but outside of prison.

1:25:32It's just part of being in the life when you're in that life, man. How hard was it being in prison with nonces sex cases the worst of the worst the american prisons seem to have a lot more the uk they're protected very well they've got their own special wing they can all sit and discuss their little horror stories together and build that little network in america they're in with the proper cons like how is that when you know yeah someone's a sex case well it was a that That's a great question because ironically, I hadn't had a bunch of heavy felonies in my criminal career. They were like theft or credit card.

1:26:09So by the point scoring system, I was medium custody. I should have gone to a medium security prison. Well, because of my case, they were like, oh, no, no, no. You're going to the max joint. So they sent me to Seward to the maximum security prison down there. at the max joint they're completely segregated we don't see them get near them you might see them through the glass once in a while but there's no sex cases anywhere near gp in a max joint period so the first seven years of my bid no problems at all bro there are so many it's a secret of prison people don't know if you conduct yourself with humility and people respect you and also um it does not matter what you did in general as far as your crime on the street respect in prison is gained on the daily basis it matters what you did yesterday oh you're that dude that smashed out pedophiles on the street cool well what did you do last week that's what matters in prison so um and also i was set up from the jump because unbeknownst to me I wasn't hip to social media.

1:27:21I didn't see the internet. I saw nothing. I was in a prison. So I had years of interactions with staff, um, because unbeknownst to me, they were leaving work at night, getting on the internet or doing whatever they do. And they were seeing, Oh, the Alaskan Avenger, the hero, this guy's a hero. Well, then they would come to work the next day and see me and they'd be like, Oh, there's Mr. Hero right there. So I'm not complaining, but the fact is, bro, I was the subject of more shakedowns, drug tests, uh, had staff members that just absolutely despised me. And I had never even spoken to them before.

1:28:03And I'm like, why, how the fuck do you hate me? And when you don't even know me, you know, um, it was intense. Also, along the way, there were cops and administrators that were hella on my side, showed me mad love. The first time in my entire life I ate lobster bisque and slow-roasted pulled barbecued pork was sitting in a maximum security cell in the middle of fucking nowhere because a cool cop knocked on my door and slid it through the slot one night. And he said, hey, man, I just wanted you to enjoy something nice. I appreciate what you did. What's the worst thing you've seen in prison? um man it's hard it's hard relative to our world out here um probably the rampant intravenous drug use and how casually they share needles and other implements to inject themselves with just everybody and i'm telling you one needle 40 dudes will use it back to back to back shoot up each other's blood fluids whatever that probably was the most shocking thing to me because i was expecting violence and stabbings and locking a sock and all that and definitely saw all that um but it's that combined with homosexual behavior on alpha male men types and what was really shocking is bro these dudes would be having relations with a man and an hour later you would see them in the visitation room with their girlfriend and their kids obviously they're not telling their partner what they're doing in here and you just think to yourself like my god man this person is going home next month like what the fuck like be warned especially ladies if you have a man in prison sit him down when he gets out and make him be truthful with you because bro a lot of these guys for real i'm telling you you would be shocked shocked i recall how about this i recall standing on the pickle on the handball courts we had a handball competition my partner trevor stanley the biggest most buff alpha tatted up dude you've ever seen and i was relatively fresh in prison We're on like our second or third day break in between games.

1:30:30I don't really know this dude. He's just a giant, swole white dude. I assume he's solid. Everybody says he's good. And I said something like, hey, Trevor, how's it going, bro? And he literally looks over and he goes, you know what? I'm sick and tired of getting my dick sucked by punks and having pussy that smells like shit. But other than that, I'm good. And that was it. And I just, I was like, holy shit. I cannot believe these dudes are actually, they are doing it for real, for real in prison. I'm telling you. And, uh, yeah, there's no such thing as Gail Jay. You're either fucking sucking dick or you're not.

1:31:05That's right. I don't believe it. Yeah. I'm the same because when I was in Berlin, I was only 22. It's a, it's a serious prison in Glasgow, 22, 23. And I was a fucking handsome young boy back in the day, you know? And I'm thinking I'm going to get fucked in. Right. But once I knew that everyone was on drugs, a high percentage, and like you see all the gay shit used to, cause I used to go down the doors and take the plates in the morning before I went to the gym pass. And there was fucking get young kids and men in bed together, cuddling each other. Yeah. It was fucking weird. You, you pretty well make it established.

1:31:41And you know, this early on, when you get into that prison community, you make it well known either you do get down like that. or you don't and you just make it known. But that's what was surprising to me was how many of these men do. Um, and then to the intravenous drug use thing is huge and it is so damaging to our society. And I'll tell you why. And people it's not spoken and people don't understand. There is an ocean of young people going through the prison, their first trip through the prison And in the last five, 10 years, it was the first time I had ever seen it, bro. Young people coming into prison.

1:32:19And when the doors pop in the morning and they come out, they're excited to be there. They're like, oh, my God, bro. Where can I get my first tattoo, bro? Bro, my mom will send money right now. I just want to get a little whatever right here. Just they're so excited to be there. And what's happening is and it's an ocean of them. They're coming through the prison. the old school dudes in the prison are teaching them, well, this is the best way to do your dope. No, you don't want to waste it, bro. No, just shoot it, bro. That's what you want to do. And these youngsters are being schooled up in the prison and then they come back out onto the street.

1:32:5525 years ago, bro, I was raised in the culture of if we saw a needle or anything associated with a needle around you, near you, if we assumed you had anything to do with needles, bro, you don't exist to us you're a ghost i don't want you or your people anywhere near me nowadays bro all of these kids are using needles casually with their little kits and their little stuff it's a problem it's a major problem and really what they've set up is a massive gang recruitment and drug lifestyle you know, commune and kids just sort of filter through it and then get back out. And they've learned from the OGs in the band, all of this horrible.

1:33:41Um, and they're guys that they look up to. Your brother might have decided just to step back, but one of the good things about your life and your story, your sister comes into your life. Yep. What's that story? Like she plays a big part off your leg now? Yeah, she, um, she banged the drum loudly to get me out. Um, was on social media a lot and, um, you know, it was a pretty amazing thing. Um, because I hadn't had family and, you know, it was interesting. I didn't even know she existed. She's my half sister. So my natural father that I never knew went and had more children. And so I got a, I recall getting a second day air envelope in the mail one day and it had two envelopes in it.

1:34:27And one of them says, read me first. And then the other one was just pictures. Well, I'm a dude. So I'm like, oh shit, I gotta look at this chick. And I'm like, damn, she's cute. And then I opened the letter and it literally says, I am your long lost sister. And I was like, what? um but yeah it's life-changing man it's life-changing you know um just again the way this universe works and it's important for me to communicate that to people too i advise people every day and it is true you cannot fathom now in whatever state or condition you're in be it a wonderful state or a terrible one just how many chapters your life will have you're convinced your life is over.

1:35:11It's not. There are more chapters waiting. Chapters that you haven't even anticipated or conceived of yet will come. Bro, I'm sitting here right now inside of an apartment furnished with things that I just, I dreamed of having a place of my own, stuff like that. I'm now in a chapter of my life. The most beautiful girl I could have ever hoped for is currently taking a nap in the bed right here, bro. Um, these were all dreams that I didn't think would ever take place and it's here. It's happened. How was it like getting out of prison? Um, it was, um, it was, I had a lot of expectation. Um, but I was mostly shocked at what all of you guys had decided was normal or acceptable since I was gone.

1:36:04Like when I came back into this world, I was absolutely shocked. Um, you know, the easy, the low hanging fruit is when I went to prison, we had cross dressers. When I got out of prison, we have dudes that you're supposed to call a woman now because they say so things like that, bro. It took a long time for my brain to rationalize. Like I, some of it, I still don't get it. I don't understand what's happened. Um, like I respect any adults, you know, decision dress, however you want, call yourself, whatever you want. If you're an adult and you're not harming anyone, I don't judge not by any means.

1:36:40However, uh, you're not going to force me to call you a chick. If clearly you're a dude, I'm not doing that. You're not going to tell me what I'm calling you. Um, and that was just one piece in how this world had changed, bro. the price of everything. Incredible. Unbelievable. Just imagine being set apart from the world for a decade or so, and then being dropped right back into it. It's shocking. How dark is the world for people who don't understand it? Like, what sort of telltale signs, but a man who's educated, a man who's lived it, like, what should people look out for to protect their kids more?

1:37:16Like, my daughter doesn't have sleepovers. She hates me for it. It's just always been the case. I don't care. You can hate me now, but you'll understand when you're older. But what for us as a parent, what should they look out for to protect their kids? Yeah, I think that, um, what we really need to start doing, aside from parents just being aware, the reality of your world, I don't care what country you're in or where you live, the reality of your world is there are predators lurking. That's just what it is. You're not in the swimming pool at the YMCA. you're in the shark tank. That's what it is.

1:37:51You need to remember that every single day your family walks out the front door. Are you leaving your kid in the shark tank alone or are you going to be there to help? And then number two, we need to start taking ownership for our community, for families outside of our own. I was a little kid that went to soccer practice in the store and church and outside to play with bruises all up and down the backs of my legs. I couldn't sit down because my ass was so sore and painful. There were visible signs and marks on my body. I was a bedwetter. Um, all those types of things, someone, anyone could have noticed, should have noticed and should have just asked me, are you all right?

1:38:33You okay? Nobody ever even asked me. Um, and I think I encourage anybody. Um, I have a clear memory of standing in a grocery store next to my mother with bruises all the way down the backs of my legs because I had fallen on the floor and my dad continued to beat me with the two by four face down on the floor. And I remember standing in the grocery store line with the lady next to me thinking to myself, I wonder if she'll notice, I wonder if she'll notice and say something and nobody ever does. So embarrass yourself, take the risk, just ask. It's okay to ask. What's the best advice you have ever had?

1:39:10Um, probably the best advice that I ever had, um, was from an old school guy, Mike Andrako, interestingly, serving two life sentences for kidnapping two U.S. Marshals that wanted him to rat on a bank robbery, uh, partner of his. But he told me that, um, silence is wisdom and solitude is power. That's what he told me. And, um, you know, in a sense that is true. Um, there's a lot of things that should remain unsaid that we say rather quickly, um, judgments that we pass on others, um, decisions that we arrive at about others very, very quickly, um, that should remain silent. Um, and then also the inversion of that is also correct.

1:40:05Um, we need to learn to speak loudly. Um, I was just counseling someone last night. Check this out. If you were molested when you were a little kid, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You were literally walking home from school and you got hit by a car. That's what happened. There's no shame in it for you. Something horrible happened to you. You shouldn't be ashamed to say what happened. Um, and it's really important because as our combined voices get louder and you see it now, the outrage at rich and powerful connected people, the secret shit they've had going on the whole time as our outrage gets louder, as soon as it rises to the level where they're losing their positions and things like that, that's when the world changes.

1:40:51For anybody watching or listening, how do they go over the shame, the guilt, they're blaming themselves. Yeah, there, there is, there is one answer. There is one, um, medicine that fixes it. Shame, trauma, um, the repercussions of childhood trauma. There's only one avenue, one medicine that works, um, a hundred percent of the time. And that's service to others. That's the answer. if you're caught up in your own shame and your own trauma and that's what's dominating your life you must become a service to someone else find yourself a role where you can be in service of others and as you start to watch the effect that you're having on their life it actually by proxy heals your life what do you think needs to change to make the world a better place what do you think the steps need to be to ever see keep children protected to make it better to make it more safer because we seem so far gone that seems so many people are involved in the darkness but what do you think we need to change yeah um i believe that we're on the right track um but i think the number one, um, impedance to us changing this world, um, is the firm grasp that people have on political affiliation.

1:42:17I know that sounds trite, but there are so many people that will vote for the wrong person because of their political label or will not vote for the right person because of their political label. and I think that if we could, you know, shrug off the political labels, um, you know, I was raised by a family that the church would issue the list of people to vote for on election day because all of the candidates on the list were anti-abortion. That's how they decided who to vote for. Who are you voting for? Whoever's anti-abortion. Um, there's no reason why we can't make whoever's, focused on child safety and sexual abuse prevention.

1:43:01There's no reason why we can't make that a priority because guess what's going to happen? All of the future leaders are going to get with it and start making child safety the priority because that's the only way they're going to get the vote. When was the first time you felt loved? When did you feel loved and how do you accept that? Especially going through that because we spoke earlier, we don't trust. How do you accept love that you are worthy, that you are good enough to be loved? That's a really, really important question. I'll tell you this. I remember the moment it happened. I was fortunate to coauthor a book with professor Joshua Long, who's a PhD in criminology at UMass in Boston.

1:43:39This guy reached out to me and said, Hey, I would like you to contribute a chapter to the book I'm writing on child predators. Again, he's a PhD in criminology. So on blank white paper. I constructed something, wrote it to him, um, seven or eight pages. And the letter that he wrote back was so, uh, just so intensely positive where he's like, Oh my God, bro, forget about the one chapter. I want to coauthor the entire book with you. And what you have to say is so important, et cetera, et cetera. That moment right there changed my life because I was nearly 45 years old. And that was the first time in my entire life, any person of merit said that I mattered or that I was important or that I was necessary.

1:44:31The first person ever. Um, and it was life-changing. So that's a good thing for people to really hold onto is that's how much of a difference you can make in another person's life. A PhD professor who shouldn't give a shit about me at all told me I was smart and my experience was important and it changed my life. Do you have a question? Why you?

1:45:00Um, no, no, because I think I'm particularly suited to the suffering that life administered to me. Um, and then also I will tell you this, that, um, pain is the greatest teacher, not in a masochistic sense, but in general, pain is the best teacher. Um, and I have learned so much in this path as a result of suffering. Well, um, that, uh, it doesn't feel like I won a lottery or it was a gift, but it certainly feels like I was given something special. And what's your daily routine like now? Yeah. Oh, I'm on the grind, bro. Uh, I, uh, I'm very faithful in the gym. They'll only let me go four days a week or I'd be there six.

1:45:50Um, I, uh, I'm a foreman for a commercial construction company. have started out as a$20 an hour guy. Now I'm a$40 an hour boss for some reason. No, it's not based on my celebrity. The guys that own this company are old school Alaska guys. They don't even do social media. They don't care about any of that. So I start my day at four in the morning, produce content for internet platforms, go to work all day, run a crew, come home more of the same and go to sleep every single night with a dream, you know? But you're 50. You look better now than you did when you went to prison. I know, it's weird, huh?

1:46:32You look great. Your skin looks great. You've got a twinkle in your eye. So whatever you're doing is working. And it's a beautiful thing to see. And that's so important for people watching or listening. No matter how dark your past is, you've always got more to give. That's exactly right. Yeah. And again, you cannot fathom how many chapters are awaiting you of your life. many chapters so don't give up ever and all your videos all your social media how can people get in contact with you how people ask you questions because no doubt you'll have a lot of messages after this podcast yeah yeah if you go to um alaskanavengerofficial.com sort of a landing page for everything related to me uh it's the alaskan avenger on youtube and the real alaskan avenger everywhere else like i say brother i don't want to keep too much of your time because i think we've run over a wee 10 minutes of.

1:47:22But again, you're a legend to me. Absolutely amazing what you've done and to show people that you're not alone. We might not have saved the whole world, but what you did do is save enough people to make sure that they do feel safe. Just before we finish up, what do you actually think about the Epstein stuff for people who don't know and people who think you're a conspiracy theorist about all these devil worshippers and Satanists? Yeah, well, you know, it's only a theory when the conspiracy doesn't exist. So is it a conspiracy? Absolutely. They've been conspiring for their own benefit for some time.

1:47:56But I think the recent focus on the Epstein files has simply highlighted what some of us have already known from the beginning, and that is people that are in political and other positions of high power think of children as a commodity. they buy them sell them trade them at their pleasure that's what they do they've done it for some time there's a portion of those people in authority that are also involved in spiritual practices that involve kids um and they've been doing this for generations thousands of years some of them um as far as the legality of those files trust and believe every single quote-unquote epstein file that ever existed has been cleaned scrubbed redacted to the point where there will never ever be any formal charges against anybody that matters they've made sure of that um but i do think that it's the first little look behind the veil and there's more to come and i think they should be nervous last question brother for anybody that's sitting in a life of struggle right now and doesn't know how to get out, what advice would you have for them?

1:49:05Yeah, just remember, simple is genius. It's a very, very easy thing to make life so complex that you can't.

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1:50:52So start with caring about yourself. Be careful what you put in your body. um and then uh just remember you might have decided that this world is a horrible place and there's nothing in it for you and the whole way life has been trying to give you an opportunity um that you haven't noticed so where can people buy your book yeah i think um i think it's available anywhere everywhere books are available you know is this this particular book is sort of a collegiate study of child abusers, you know? Um, so it's a very dense read, um, written by a professor of criminology, but it's out there. Joshua Long, Jason Vukovic, you can find it.

1:51:34My brother, I'm sorry what you had to go through as a kid, but for today and telling your story and amazing work you've done, I genuinely wish you nothing but the best for the future. Thank you, bro. Keep up the amazing work, brother. And yeah, stay in touch. Yep. Thank you, bro. Appreciate it.

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