3 Years in Prison for a Tweet - Lucy Connolly Tells Her Story

0:00Lucy Connolly:An all-new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone, you're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.

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1:33And boom, we're on. And today's guest, we've got Lucy Connelly. Lucy, how are we?

1:37Lucy Connolly:I'm good, thank you. First and foremost, thanks for coming on the show. Pleasure. Sent to prison. Nearly three years for a tweet. A tweet that you then deleted straight away. You've also released a book which will plug straight away. A tweet too far. Great title. Where can people buy the book? Amazon. Amazon's got it in stock now. The usual bookstores. Blackwell's have got it. There's a little independent bookshop called Old Speak. she's great so she's stocking it as well but yeah if you go to it's probably Amazon. Well listen at least you've got a book out of it all, you know what I'm saying?

2:07Something positive.

2:08Lucy Connolly:It's a bit crazy isn't it? It's surreal. But before we get into everything though I always like to go back to the start of my guests get more of a bit of understanding about you Lucy, where you grew up and how it all began. So I grew up in Northampton where I live now, haven't moved far. A small village with my parents and my two sisters, just quite a you know an unremarkable childhood you know we weren't particularly well off when we were younger bit skint um yeah mum and dad are still together still live in my home that we grew up in so yeah really there's really not a lot to tell there that that's the funny thing that i really was just some really ordinary kind of woman from northampton yeah you're not some nutcase who's out there in and out of prison many charges never it's easy that's why people can be easier than targeted when they get charged even if I charge people then automatically think you're guilty and people love that shit like people just want ammunition on you it's click baits isn't it and it's like and they'll try I mean there really wasn't anything they could have found on me because I really was quite boring and quite you know never broke the law in my life speeding ticket I think once what were you like at school a bit of a clown I was quite smart at school but I was uh I didn't I wasn't one for school I wish I'd listened to my mum when she said do your work but I didn't too busy as she says chasing boys and pissing about in the clubs what was your first job what was my first job oh I worked on the ice cream vans I used to I had friends whose parents owned Mario's ice cream in Northampton so I used to go out on the market square and sell ice cream in the ice cream vans so pretty good the two shoes never in trouble yeah my mum says I was born old you know like I'm the one that doesn't break the rules and i've got a lot to say for myself but i do follow i do follow the rules what about speaking online and stuff back then oh i had a lot to say for myself online and always i know always do and i always will like and you have to expect i guess that if you're going to have an opinion online you know people are going to come for you and that's fine i get that but you know this was like another level wasn't it of like coming for me um i had about 9 000 followers at the time so not massive um and just yeah just general stuff general politics general life alcohol i've got a good crowd on twitter that we were friends in real life and you just had a laugh when you were allowed to have a laugh back in the day on twitter before you know everything offended everybody yeah it's changed days twitter was the only platform left where you could actually have a laugh like you couldn't we call facebook woke book and you know all of these things but now even that's ruined now because, you know, people are reporting me left, right and centre and, you know, everything that you say someone takes offence to and it's just boring now.

4:58Because one of you, you worked with kids?

5:00Lucy Connolly:I did. I was a childminder for nearly 15 years. So I started childminding when my daughter was about two, you know, not even two and she's 14 this year. So, yeah, I worked with, you know, babies right through to kind of like eight, ten-year-olds. I used to look after kids that I'd looked after from babies and still had them when they were like 10. How was that working with kids? Oh, it was great. It was great. I mean, the thing is with childminding is you're regulated by Ofsted and Ofsted are a pain in the arse. And it's not actually something that I want to prop up. You know, like with, it's a bit like the schools and stuff.

5:40Lucy Connolly:The education system, in my view, is massively broken. And they're, you know, they're trying to go after the wrong people and they actually give childminders a really, really hard time. which I understand you need to be regulated. People need to know that their children are safe when you're leaving with a childminder. But equally, the way they want you to teach them and look after them now is insane, you know. They're not bothered with it. The parents are happy. The children are happy. They want X, Y, Z doing. And it's ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. So I was actually thinking about leaving the profession.

6:12Lucy Connolly:But when you've got children that you've looked after for 10 years or five years or from babies, it's very difficult to say to people i'm not doing it anymore especially when those people rely on you you know i had doctors dentists and that kind of thing so i mean i didn't want to end my child career a child-minded career like this but equally i'm not i would never try and go back into it because that's you know that's a line there now i've done that got the t-shirt i won't be doing it again we're living in a place though i would never trust kids with anyone i know you know and that's male and female and it's just because the people i interview as well and some parents don't have a choice some parents need to work two three jobs where they've got to have that element of trust but even recently i've been interviewing women who are partners have been drugging their wives for 16 years you know and you see some of these these kids abusing those young kids at two and three like i don't know if we're actually if this is actually hell so sad something's i think there needs to be a reset in the whole world i think the minds have completely gone i don't know if it's social media i think porn has played a massive part on how people's mind have gone they become satanic they become quite unware and sick and i feel that no one is to be trusted because i don't know what the technology in these phones are doing to people's minds because there's so much evil in this world there is and also i don't know if you feel the same but we seem to protect these people on a massive massive scale you know somebody at the very same time I was locked up and they're refusing me bail Hugh Edwards is walking out of court with a slap on the wrist for having indecent pictures of young children now I always say if you said to me as a mother you've got a choice someone can say hurty words to you or you can somebody can have you know put indecent pictures of your child out on the internet and look at them what you're going to choose it's a no-brainer really isn't it but I got a 31-month sentence he walked out with the slap on the wrist and he's talking about making a comeback nobody wants to see him it's just and again all these things that happen and all this stuff that you know happens at establishment level you know you've got like the bloody royal family all at it and nothing's been done Epstein files all of this stuff and it's just swept under the carpet so until it comes from the top and until people are made accountable for this it's going to continue and when you've got you know the people that run the world that are all involved in it we've got a massive problem there's nobody to trust in same as politics and i know people like to choose sides i don't trust anybody that's in politics i don't think that's bad bad take i think they may be going with a clean heart to maybe try and create change but as soon as they're in i don't know if it's the attention the money the power something gets to their head and they just completely change they become quite sick like you look at epstein jimmy savills all the sick individuals that are working in these big corporations like where does it end you know and yet nothing happens to them and that's why there was so much uproar with your sort of tweet as well because those rapists it's disproportionate isn't it yeah if you kind of say well take aside what you think about what i wrote and then you've got people doing things to children that are unspeakable people you know with disgusting images on their phone and they are literally walking free people raping women and girls in the street and it's like oh well you can have a suspended sentence oh well you can have a community order I mean why why are we protecting these people what what is going on something is going on I believe it's all by design that's just my opinion there has to be a reason why we're protecting these people there has to be a reason why we're letting the millions of unvetted unchecked men into this country from cultures that don't have the same respect for women and children that we do here i don't believe that's coincidence no everything is by design what the government let by what the system let by is is because it's what they want they have a bigger plan and it's not always a plan it's not to benefit normal civilians is to benefit their own pockets it's the same as wars they need wars for the destruction for the pain for the the child trafficking for their own agenda you know the guns and everything that comes with it it's all money it's the power it's the greed this this is what's controlling and destroying the world it's the greed of those people in power and this is a sad reality and i always say it and many people before me says that the people the power of the people so much stronger than the power the people in power you know and there's a lot more than all of them and yeah definitely again if whatever happens to you you can see why it would put the frighteners on people nobody wants to go to the jail especially a woman, you know, and some men kind of accept that, maybe somebody's got a long history of violence and charges and they think you know what

11:24The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode, available on Plus and Pro plans. Because I put a tweet out off with his head.

12:04Do you know what they pulled me in? And it says a couple of words that had been different or that had been done for inciting violence. I think they've got 75 ,000 retweets. This is a monster who murdered three innocent girls. It says off with his head. If I had to change some lettering, like I'm going to take his head off, or people should take their head off, that would have been enough for inciting violence so it was like you were close and you're thinking what the fuck you know this is someone not a choir boy that everybody portrayed so I'd put the photo out and sometimes you need to be careful as well because you don't want the wrong information to put out there as well you know but this kid like I say he's not even a kid who's a monster to do that to young innocent girls excited for their Taylor Swift day and dancing to then do that and what people need to understand with your story as well you've also not just worked with kids but you've also you lost a son as well was it harry

12:54Lucy Connolly:harry nhs neglect so he was 19 months old long story short he got a tummy bug um a really bad one i kept taking him to the doctor the doctors referred him to hospital kept taking him to the hospital they kept sending him back um saying he's going to be fine just a tummy the tummy bug um i knew it wasn't i knew it was more than that um they just kept sending us back and then i think he saw five different doctors over five no more than that over he went to the doctors of hospital for five consecutive days saw several doctors they kept discharging him they kept him one night discharged him again um and long story short the the fifth night my husband woke up and he died in his sleep uh renal failure and dehydration because obviously he'd got this horrific tummy bug and was passing blood out of his back passage um he wasn't keeping anything down couldn't drink couldn't and And yeah, so his kidneys failed and he dehydrated.

13:50Lucy Connolly:But he had all of the what they call red flag signs. He had textbook symptoms of dehydration. He had textbook symptoms of renal failure. But they were just, you know, ignoring them. Oh, the high blood pressure is because he's scared. Or the tachycardia is because he's scared. No, the tachycardia is because he's severely dehydrated. The high blood pressure is because his kidneys are failing. they didn't put him on a drip they didn't do the fluid challenges they should one doctor cancelled a set of blood tests that the consultant ordered there was just a massive massive catalogue of failures I think by the time the inquest came around and she heard the inquest it was 13 failures and catastrophic failures and four windows of lost opportunity to save him so not only did we lose him we now have to live knowing that we knew that anyway but he should never have died if he'd have just got a drip that's all it would have taken for them to have done their job properly put him on a drip and he would be alive today and that's not um and when the independent doctor was asked by the coroner on the balance of probabilities he said there was no probable about it you know so it's quite a horrific thing to live with losing your child anyway and then to know that they absolutely could have been saved and should have been saved and it was because people didn't do their jobs properly and then further down the line nobody was held accountable for that because the NHS and such organizations are so great at making it an organization failure the police do it the hospitals do it they all do it so no individual ever gets the blame or gets you know held to account so all of those doctors are still working I watched one of the consultants change her story and oath at the inquest at GMC hearings dependent on whether she was thought she was going to cop the blame or whether she thought she could move the blame to the junior doctors and the nurses because they like to do that the senior doctors they love to you know throw the nurses under the bus I noticed that quite quickly um and yeah so no one's ever been held accountable you know they lied to us they told us they sent us demented for a further year saying they'd done everything they could that they weren't at fault and then all of a sudden because you know they got stitched up well not stitched up the truth came out of the the inquest as i told them it would um but again we had an amazing lawyer um they've put a stop to all that now the government so you we got um like a no win no fee and if we hadn't have had him we wouldn't have got the answers that we needed and wanted he was absolutely priceless but again the government have made it so hard now for families to get representation inquests but i believe that's why because if you've got a family without any legal representation they've just lost their child or family member they're distraught they can't think properly you know it's very convenient to the government and the nhs to stop people questioning the nhs isn't it sorry for your loss but i had someone on who was exposing the nhs and said it's a cult you know there's some sort of some sort of doctors some sort of doctors are telling people they've lost their loved ones while keeping them alive to then sell their organs and with the babies the amount of baby deaths with certain vaccines kids are getting and other stuff yeah it's scary and i don't want to scare people like i say i'm not a doctor i'm not a scientist but doctors need to be looked into like that's basically murder as well you know what i mean put the spotlight on them for the mistakes because how many other kids has it happened to you know how many other times doctors have got it wrong and it must be a stressful environment working long hours i get it and there's going to be mistakes but when you lose a life then where's somebody's got to take responsibility that was my major issue had they have come to me because i know they didn't mean to kill him what they did was negligent grossly negligent but it wasn't intentional if that makes sense so even though they didn't do their jobs and that caused him to die i know that at no point none of them were thinking yeah let's kill this little boy you know it wasn't like that it was just not just but it was just a catalogue of failures um now had they have gone at the beginning oh my god we are so so sorry we don't know what's happened here but we're going to find out this is horrific how will i over live with myself they don't they close ranks they send you crazy by telling you they've done nothing wrong they insist the doctors um say nothing i remember the police officer storming into the hospital and taking the statements from the doctors because she was so fed up of waiting for them for the coroner and their legal team was going mad because they hadn't checked the statements first you know because and this is what they do they were schooling them they were giving them mocking quests telling them what to say and what not to say and i know all this so you know the nhs is extremely corrupt yes i accept there are some good doctors and some good nurses and they do some amazing things but equally they are extremely corrupt and they are another organization that's just not held accountable but it's the same as doctors and stuff all they're doing is getting a hymn sheet to learn learn the medicines learn this they're not actually making it so they're just willing to get paid, they're just drug dealers at the end of the day and I believe some people might need medicines listen I'm all for nature and everything natural and all that bullshit I get it but you don't know what you're getting, you must go for a second third, fourth opinion because that doctor might have a shit a day or somebody might have a shit a day and give you the wrong information, my friend went in and it's human to make error with pains in his stomach they said he had cancer, he thought he was dying and then four days later the woman came in and said sorry I've got it wrong I know I've heard a few stories like that that's pretty horrific you know what I'm saying people's got to be held accountable I mean you're saying sorry for saying this but you say they didn't mean it but the way the world is going you don't know look at your Harold shipments and that I interviewed a man who was working for the MI6 do you know his wife was going in with pains in her chest do you know the doctor cut off her breasts and this doctor was doing this to women he was playing God that okay I've cut the cancer out you're safe now they didn't even have cancer Jesus Christ So people are so fucking psychotic.

19:52It doesn't matter what they're called, doctors or whoever it is, what labels they have. You cannot trust them fully with your life, your family's life, your kid's life. You've got to go for different options before you make that decision.

20:04Lucy Connolly:And it's been instilled into us, hasn't it? We don't question a doctor. They're never wrong. But actually, that's far from the truth. They are very often wrong, sometimes not through fault of their own, sometimes see human error sometimes because medicine is trial and error sometimes isn't it but as you say you're more than entitled and you should be questioning things you should be asking questions you should be getting second opinions you know because not everybody's just because they're doctors it doesn't make them right all of the time and that's what you know I was right I was telling them my son was really really poorly this was not right for him they were treating me like I was some hysterical first-time mother you know there's nothing hysterical about me I was quite chilled and but I was saying to them this isn't normal this isn't normal I'm not happy I'm not happy it's written all in the notes I'm not happy I'm not happy you know but they just they know best don't they but they don't nobody knows a child better than their mother nobody knows a child you know their family better than anyone else so if somebody vulnerable like a child or you know an elderly person you should the doctors need to listen to the people that are caring for them you know if you're not able to speak for yourself like a child or a vulnerable person you need to listen to the next best thing who is their their mother their care or whoever sees them on a daily basis and knows what's normal for them how are you still standing lucy how are you not i don't know smashing the gaff up but how are you not going crazy has that been many years that you've had to overcome that has that always been your mindset to kind of stay in the sense that i've always maintained that you've got two choices when you lose a child You can rebuild your life and go again, or you can jump off a bridge.

21:49Lucy Connolly:And that kind of doesn't help anybody, does it? What would my husband and my family do if I did that? That would just make things 10 times worse. It is something you take to the grave. But equally, it does send you demented that, you know, these people got away with what they did and nobody got held accountable. It does make you massively anxious and distrusting of anybody that's in the establishment, NHS, police. And it wasn't just the NHS that we had issues with. We had issues with the police. We had issues with the CPS, which is all in the book, because they didn't want to prosecute. An all new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.

22:30Lucy Connolly:Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects.

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23:23Lucy Connolly:And then when we had lawyers telling them they need to prosecute, it hits the bar. and if they don't we take it to private prosecution the cps said we'll shut you down so this isn't my first rodeo of the cps and the police as in the distrust i have for them so this is i feel like this is the second time i've been shafted by the system first time when they killed my son tried to cover it up and then refused to hold anyone accountable and then you know when i wrote a tweet which i'm not saying that the words i use were okay i'm not saying that at all. I've never, I've never said that. I've never maintained that.

23:59Lucy Connolly:I think a really important thing that people forget is I took that tweet down of my own accord a couple of hours later. No one came to me and said, take that tweet down, or you shouldn't say that. I did that because I knew that it wasn't the right thing to say. The red mister, the red mister descended. I'd calm down. I was a little bit more, you know, right, reasonable. And I thought, take that down. so I did I didn't think anything more of it it wasn't until a week later that they came for me like the left is a you know and we call in the 77th brigade had screenshot um and I think it came from a lot of it also came from local politicians labor side like people that don't like my husband not even don't like my husband because they actually do all like my husband because you can't not he's a really nice guy and he's really good at his job um but they don't like it that he took their seat and it's very you know venomous in politics isn't it when it comes to the colour of your rosette um so it was massively about taking him down it wasn't actually about taking me down it was taking me down to try and take him down in the process and there's absolutely no way that you can say otherwise you know if you you look at every single like we're talking about the mainstream media look at every single report that they did on me prior to my well until quite recently the BBC never ever referred to me as Lucy Connolly always the Tory councillor's wife or the politician's wife never and that is a standing joke in our family I keep saying I'm going to get a number plate that says TCW and that's why my handle on Twitter is Tory councillors wife because that's how the mainstream media referred to me for months and months and months and I thought I've got a name it's nothing to do with my husband he didn't even know I'd sent the tweet he wasn't too pleased with me when he found out I had you know and he was just like what the hell has it got to do with him why are you blaming a grown-ass man for a grown-ass woman's words and actions it just life doesn't work like that we're all responsible for our own actions and our own words nothing to do with him so why was he dragged into it why did they try and ruin his life why did they hound him why did they have all these investigations trying to unseat him and when that didn't work they went to these super super expensive lawyers in in london why was the local mp mike reeder standing outside my house pointing why was he ringing my husband on the train the day I got a sentence demanding he stands down these people are vile and not they're just not human you know could your husband have got sacked because of what you've done because they did investigation and what they said of that he was supporting a racist he's like no I'm so I'm supporting my wife and then um and I think it was sly news that they'd interviewed him they hounded him outside the courts and um he was like my wife isn't a racist I'm not having it you know she shouldn't have written the tweet she went too far however I know my wife I've been married her for you know 18 years she's looked after all these children and you got jumped on a bit because I think you know if you say this well I've got black friends people always say oh yeah you know you say that type thing but in my work I probably have looked after more children from immigrant families than I have from English families just because of where I live it's close to the hospital so I work for a lot of doctors and stuff like that we have a massive um eastern european um community in northampton um they're all pretty decent people to be fair all work hard you know keep themselves to themselves so i actually looked after and my husband used to joke and say it's like the united nations in this house you know like children from all walks of life from you know all different colors and i loved them all the same and treated them all the same and didn't enter my head that their family were from Nigeria or their family from Romania or anything like that so he knows damn well that I'm no racist and don't you know to me being a racist is you have a problem with somebody you discriminate against them because of their their color or religion or their culture that's it that's quite simple you know just because somebody is of color and you don't like them doesn't make you racist it means they're a dickhead you know it doesn't mean you know if I like you it's not because of your skin color it's because you're white yeah you know and that but so he stood up on and was like my wife is not a racist i'm not having this she you know loved all those children deeply there were you know she didn't treat any of them any different it's nonsense so of course then they went after him and said they were supporting he was supporting a racist so therefore he must be racist too what was racist in the tweet though you know there wasn't that's what i'm saying so people illegal immigration it's nothing to do with race you get people from scotland poland russia but isn't hindsight right thing it's the labels though it's the labels where it scares people people do lose their jobs people get sent to prison of course it takes away the voice of people because you do get scared you just want you you can't be racist look at glasgow at the moment glasgow is a ticking time bomb scottish people do not fuck about they've done it ireland they've done it england but scotland might be the ones at the forefront to go fuck this people won't care about the jail like you've got neds from 10 years old to 80 years old in scotland your gran will fucking slash you if you speak wrong to her like we're living in a society where people have had enough and it's that boiling point but is that what the governments want to do is create that unrest cause that civil unrest seems that way because scotland especially you've got a 36 year old man raped a 16 year old or 15 year old they took him out his house and moved him just around the corner what are you talking about what are you doing like these people are second individuals must be all by design there's no coincidence about this is there and it is going to get to the point i'm not advocating this for one second but people are going to just start taking the law into their own hands and we saw it with southport because um you know tempers were so frayed and people were so upset and angry and people were scared for their own children you should have seen some of the messages i was getting from some of my parents that I was working for that day in that week people it's scared it really did scare people because they were thinking well is Lucy going to be out in the part of my children next week and that's you know some nut is going to do that and I was thinking exactly the same am I going to send Didi to gymnastics next week and some nut is going to go in there with a knife and stab them all up while they're because we cannot any longer trust the government and the establishment to keep our children safe it's almost like become we're the only ones that can do that I don't trust anybody to keep my children safe apart from me and my family so what did where were you when you heard about the southport and the young girls i was at home i was with the children i was in the playroom and the garden or something like that and i would have seen on probably not the telly more likely on social media and i think i remember turning the telly on thinking oh my good god and watching it unfold and just being absolutely just heartbroken and scared really scared thinking this is not okay you know those children went to a you know my daughter was a massive Taylor Swift fan at the time that should have been like one of the happiest days of their lives little girls trotting off to a little dance class in the holidays you know and their parents should have been able to drop them off knowing that they were going to have the best day ever and they never got to put their children up I mean you can't even begin to comprehend how those families feel unless you've been in that situation just imagine you've dropped your child off one of the best days of their life it should have been and you've never got to pick them up like it's something that nightmares are made of isn't it yes but it's the media i am still heartbroken and really angry i don't think i'll ever really calm down about that that situation because i believed at the time and i know now that it absolutely could have been stopped that's the big problem in this country when you look at all of these things that have happened the manchester arena bombings you know this one there's been several there's been so many children that have been lost and slipped through the system or been killed because the authorities haven't done their job properly you know when you look at axel rudikavana how many times was he referred to prevent how many times was he referred to social services how many times did the police pick him up with knives how many times did his parents already stop him why aren't the parents being held to account here that's another thing I'd like to know if I was the parents of those three you know Elsie and and the other two that you know and Bebe and Alice in Southport if I was their mother I would want to be you know I want to know now why their parents aren't being a held account when they knew what their son was like I mean he could have been stopped and that is one of the most heartbreaking things and like I said to you at the beginning there's one thing losing a child and there's living their life every single day now, knowing that child didn't need to die.

32:42I think social workers need to take more accountability as well. Yeah, they do. Look at the social workers who are giving kids, look at the two gay guys there and the young boy. They were raping the fucking young boy too, fucking absolute scumbags. Social workers need to be held accountable on why they're giving these people kids. You've got to be thorough checks. I believe they should be bringing in polygraph tests. Yes, people, we know we can't use them in court, but it will give you a rough understanding if these people can be trusted around kids. Yeah.

33:08Lucy Connolly:An all-new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.

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35:06Lucy Connolly:And I think in that situation, everyone is always going to question, did that happen because they didn't push hard enough because they had protected characteristics? Yeah, they're gay. Would it have been the same if it was, you know, a man and a woman? Would that have happened? Did they let things go and not question things because they are gay and because they have protected characteristics? Now, I've got a friend who's gay and they are looking at actually adopting a child and he was like this is really bad for gay couples this is really awful and i'm like no one thinks that you know you're going to do that now just because that's happened they would but though it's all right to say that listen you wouldn't cause it's your friends but the way people are looking at it one bad thing happens then targets everybody else so people then thinking should that even be allowed but like i say that i know plenty gay people and that and they've adopted kids no hassles i'd like to imagine but you just never know what goes behind closed doors if i'm honest now you just don't know what people are doing you don't know people can be wolf in sheep's clothing and and this is a society we're in everybody must be questioned not just the gay couple the fucking white couple the black couple the straight couple whoever it is they've got to be questioned because the way kids are being treated now no kids are safe in the world and i'm actually sick of it and i think most people most of us are and it actually boils my piss that people are turning a blind eye to these things because they're scared to death of being called a racist they're scared to death of being called homophobic they're scared to death of you know being painted as something they're not uh and it's happened children have died you know over the last few years because of it the children at southport um i can't never think of her name the young Asian girl again she was horrifically tortured by her dad and her step mum the neighbours thought something really untoward was going on were too scared to report it because they were Asian too scared of being called racist we had the Henry Novak situation quite recently and these are just the ones that we know about because I truly believe that if it wasn't for platforms like Twitter we wouldn't know about Henry Novak because that was actually what 2014 no no 2024 so almost two years ago and i wasn't aware of this and nor was most people so they really didn't want any of that to come out did they and they can control the mainstream media they can control the bbc they can control uh sly news and they can you know spin their narrative but they can't control independent journalists they can't control people like you who are doing you know podcasts on youtube and stuff which is why they want to now go after YouTube.

37:47Lucy Connolly:Yeah, they're trying. Because they can't control the narrative that way, can they? So Twitter can be a really toxic place, but equally, there's things that have come out on there that would never have come out if Elon hadn't bought Twitter and allowed that space, because it's quite obvious that they wanted to bury, and they would have buried the Axel Ruddy Cabana thing. I mean, half the issue with the riots and stuff in that case is because they were so slow to release the information and release names and tell people. Had they just said straight from the beginning who it was, what happened, maybe there would not have been any riots.

38:28Lucy Connolly:You just don't know, do you? It's just a divide now. It's got so much that nobody's listening to each other. Everybody's point's going, look, it's the mistletoe. Even when you're on the same side. It's the white person, it's the black person, it's the male, it's the female, it's the gay man, it's the straight man. With the divide, I feel personally, looking for it all from the outside, and I know people from all walks of life. I interview them and I become friends with them. No matter what they've done, I can only judge them. They're not there to harm me. Absolutely. So I just see it now as it's become so divided.

39:01I think everybody becomes part of the problem because it's the people then behind them who get to do what they want. because if everybody's down here at street level fighting and arguing each other these fuckers are pulling the strings and going look at them so much time so much effort blaming everybody points scoring instead of because where I'm at this isn't a this isn't a war between Christians and Muslims and gay and straight male and female white and black this is a fight between good and evil

39:28Lucy Connolly:absolutely and this is the problem we're all points scoring now everybody's blaming each other I get involved sometimes as well and I think James you're getting sucked in with social media step back again because if everybody worked together if we got the muslim if we got the christian the white and the black everybody comes together and go care let's expose the evil within our communities within our religions within our skin colors let's expose the bad let's sit but there's no common sense but there's not and the divide is massive i laugh because obviously you know i get painted as a racist you went to prison for racism then you've got the other side of the coin the you know the hardcore hardcore right who will sit here and i've seen that tommy robinson has had the same thing you're not racist enough you know well you don't care about our country because you sponsored some nigerians coming in well and they were good people they're doctors they pay into the system i have no issue with that yeah well you're a scumbag because you what you let black people into the country you know so you get attacked from both sides you get attacked from those that think you're a racist you need the most horrible thing to ever walk the earth and then you get attacked from the other side where you're not racist enough and because they don't want to walk the streets with brown people and black people and muslims or whatever it is they might have you know prejudiced against but you can never win you can't win and listen there's some beauty in the world as well there's some amazing people you walk the streets now the majority is good are you safe not really but you feel again is the majority good i don't know when you go out there and you'll see people sitting having their lunch and walking in the park like we see it all on online i don't see it with my own eyes not yet yeah and i don't know what situation i would be in because say you see a young girl getting abused your first instincts is but then if you beat him up it's probably me getting sent to the fucking jail but this is what we need to change isn't it we need to bring common just plain old common sense needs to make a massive comeback just across the country across the west full stop you know because like you said we you are likely to be arrested for beating up somebody abusing a child in the street whereas that's actually, it should be kind of natural.

41:32Lucy Connolly:It should be an instinct, especially for a man. I don't care about, you know, the piece of sexist it is. It, you know, it's built in a man to protect, protect their wives and their girlfriends or whatever, protect their children. That's what their primal instinct is to do, isn't it? So if you're watching somebody being abused in the street, it's like if somebody hits you, you can be the most least violent person ever. It's like a natural instinct to go back at them. You don't even think about it, do you? Just as someone, it's like, you know, just go for them. It's not because you're a violent person or aggressive, but it's just, it's just instinct, isn't it?

42:05Yeah, well, people are not getting tired as heroes, you know? And none of us are perfect, you know? Everybody makes mistakes. People fuck up all the time,

42:13Lucy Connolly:people say stuff they shouldn't do. And do you know what makes me laugh? I do not believe anybody, doesn't matter how holy than thou you are, that can say to me, I've never said anything, that I instantly go, oh God, I'm so sorry. I take that back. I shouldn't have said that. How many times have people been arguing with their spouses and they'll say some god-awful thing and as soon as it comes out of your mouth, you go, I didn't mean that. It's nature. It's human nature to do that. But people want to jump on anything to have that at a mission. And it's like, ah. So you've sent that tweet out. You've said to yourself, nah, you've went a walk with the dogs.

42:46You've deleted that. Did you know in your gut that something bigger was going to come from that?

42:49Lucy Connolly:No, not straight away. so it took a week and then I think it was the Monday after so it was a good week after the Monday morning and there was all this um noise on Twitter all these screenshots but again it very much went back to my husband look at this Tory councillor's wife she's a racist look what she said she's a childminder and then it blew up and they were tagging in the police and they were tagging in Ofsted and they were like there was finding photos of my husband and fortunately our home address was registered with because of his job they were doxing our home or you name it they were doing it and it just went crazy and I was like shit what am I going to do here what's the best thing to do do I double down do I close my Twitter account do I apologize because it just seemed whatever I did and it is it doesn't matter what I say and do to some people it's never going to be good enough I always say you know some of these people I could donate my kidney and I still wouldn't be sorry enough and it still wouldn't be good enough people say to me you show no more she didn't I took the tweet down like that's that's all I'm going to say on the matter you know what do you want from me I did my time I've never said anything like that before and I've never said anything like that since people make mistakes that that's just how life is and what do you do persecute somebody forever for the mistake they're made and like you I very much take as I find I was pretty much like that anyway albeit I've led probably quite a sheltered life in the sense that I've you know I've had a nice thing and I've had a nice life I lived in a nice village in a nice town you know I didn't there wasn't mass stabbings on the street and drug dealers and you know I wasn't involved in anything like that my friends were quite posh and I went to quite a posh school and I led I have led quite a nice sheltered life so an all-new season of the Hulu original series the secret lives of Mormon wives is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus four years ago we were just making tiktoks but it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk you act like you're better than everyone you're not i can't trust anyone in this group she's just dead to me there's so much the public doesn't know watch the new season of the hulu original series the secret lives of mormon wives now streaming on hulu and hulu on disney plus for bundle subscribers terms apply this episode is brought to you by chat gpt hey it's bill simmons from the Bill Simmons podcast.

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46:04Lucy Connolly:But equally, when I got to prison, and you're with all these women, you're living with all these women and the expectation is very different to the reality. You know, you think these people are all going to be absolute scumbags, they're going to hate you because you're not like them. Anybody is one mistake away from a prison sentence. Anybody. Doesn't matter who you are. You could be driving your car down the road tomorrow, God forbid, you put your head down, you knock someone off their bike, you kill them. You're in prison for dangerous driving or careless driving. you know it's human error isn't it so you know you get to prison and I'm expecting there's to be you know these absolute monsters in prison but the reality of it is it's just not like that they're just like me a lot of them or you know they're just people that have made mistakes or they're just people that have been dealt a really shit hand in life and haven't had the right help you know if somebody's a crackhead if somebody likes to you know call them why they're crackhead what's happened to them in their life for them to get so desperate that they would literally rob their granny for their next fix you have to look at the bigger picture and think well hang on a minute that that she was prostituted out at the age of 10 and she was abused and then she had a kid and it got to go and then it died and and it's just these are real stories you know they're just like the life some of these women have lived is heartbreaking so you end up just sitting there saying to them listen I don't agree with what you've done I don't condemn what you've done but I understand how you got into that situation and if you didn't you'd be pretty inhuman and these people online you know attacking me like would they say the same thing to them would they say that somebody that's been prostituted out as a child beaten homeless lived in care you know didn't have a chance in life that's then ended up on the streets and ended up doing what they're doing do they deserve to be written off for the rest of their life too do they deserve the complete you know, buy all that they give me and other people online?

48:04Lucy Connolly:No, of course they don't. They're human beings. They've made mistakes, but there's nearly always a backstory to people's stories, isn't there? You know, mine isn't just as simple as I'm a gobshite racist and I just tweet something really awful on Twitter, you know, and it's not about excusing it, but I do have PTSD. I do have anxiety. I have lost a child. Children are my life, you know. I'm very passionate about children and keeping them safe so when something like that happens if to me you're not human if you're not massively upset about that and anybody that's more upset about what i wrote than those children dying there's something wrong with you you know you come at me but what have you got to say about him that monster nothing funny that you know because it's not no political game for them to do so is it how long did it take for the coppers to come to your door uh about a day so it kicked off on the monday so one day after yeah they were there tuesday afternoon what you're thinking slapping the wrist yeah so i knew they were going to come i just had a really bad feeling because of everything that was going on obviously when i sent that tweet there had been no riots none at all it took another week for the riots to kick off when the riots did kick off i was one of the first ones on twitter going oh jesus stop this this is not the way and they had all those tweets they had copies of those tweets where i was saying to people stop writing this is not the way forward in no way did I ever encourage rioting ever so but they like to leave that bit out too so when they came and I knew I knew they were going to come just because there was so much noise and so much going on and they were losing control like at this point the police and the government were losing control so they had to do what they had to do to shut people down but they were coming after the wrong people weren't they um so I knew and I thought well so they arrested me the kids were there i had to get my husband to come home from work look after the kids went to the you know i went like a lamb to slaughter thinking you know stupidly they were like give me your phone and i handed it over what's your army eye number that's what's your pin there's my pin now i'd go bollocks bollocks and bollocks no comment no comment no comment but i went in there did everything that i was asked to do smiled at them sweetly sat there and gave them a full interview about why i'd said what i said and what i did what i did to which they then twisted and took completely out of context the cps then released a statement to say that i'd said in my police interview i hate immigrants and they're a danger to our children i said no such thing so my mum had to then fight for ages with the cps to get them to change that statement and change and retract what they'd said and my solicitor had to get the transcript of the police interview and they had to go down that route and they the cps had to change all their their documents but by which point the damage has been done isn't it you've just told everyone that i've said i hate immigrants that's not what i said but they've said it i don't know the cps have made that statement they've done and they knew what they were doing they knew exactly what they were doing since when does the cps come out and make statements about cases such as some woman that lives in northampton that's no one's ever heard of for sending a tweet you know i'm not jack the ripper it just is the whole situation was just mad and it was just so crazy and even the solicitors not just mine all of them were saying these are crazy times you know they're not treating these cases like they ordinarily would through the judiciary they're jumping them to the front of the queue they're hammering people you know people that have never done anything wrong in their life are getting three-year sentences like that they were like and and my solicitor said to my husband the second time I was in court when they just before they transferred me to Birmingham court he was so angry with the judge because she was she really laid into me unnecessarily and she said to me this is before I got sentenced you will be um serving a lengthy custodial sentence but that's down to the other the sentencing judge to decide at which point she hadn't she'd not seen any mitigating circumstances she's not seen the psychiatric reports that they'd ordered nothing She'd not read any of the documents.