Britain's Scariest Debt Collector Shaun Smith Tells His Story

29:10two years two years plus there was nothing to do with me I'm running two big nightclubs in Liverpool one of them massive club I'm running that I comes home on Sunday goes to bed, hears a commotion, all my windows are done in, looks at a video, sees who it is, rings them. What's going on, mate? Fucking hell, you're coming, mate, pub. It's not you. Someone's that close to you. All right. I've rang this friend at the time. One wants your name, but everyone will know who it is. What's going on? He went, oh, I had a bit of trouble last night. He said, don't you think you should fucking tell me? because I know you really well and I'm connected to you that come and fucking done my house.

30:00Don't you think you should tell me? Ah, it'll be sorted. So I've rang this little firm and I don't want to straighten her with that person. And I don't want to say anything because he's embarrassed enough anyway. And he wouldn't have a straightener. So because this guy was very close to me and connected to me, he wouldn't have a straightener. So he looks bad. He looks bad. My fame looks bad. And these kids just didn't give a fuck, made these am right with us. They were shooting at us, ramming the cars. They fucking burnt my body. But I had to take... I had to get the reins, and I had... Sean sought that, Sean sought this, get lads for this, Sean get lads for that.

30:44But when they're attacking your birds, who's fucking sitting there, what are you going to do? Are you going to defend yourself? I said, look, this is not my fucking problem. but I took the brunt of it. Ended going fucking mental, sleeping on me couch, wearing a vest, changing me cars, putting me cars down the corner, carrying a gun permanently all the time with me, a little derringer, putting her in the thingy of your car, in my undies, in my briefcase. It changed. It was fucking, it was mental, mate. It just wasn't a life. And you know when you, a lot of people don't understand, you know when you get a bit of a temper, you get a bit red-faced.

31:23My face was permanently fucking red and burning all the time. And it was... Anyway, I've had these three phones, one phone put down. Ghosts and sees the doctor. We're gonna put you on, put pan on and say it to you. Once a Peter Block, the ones to calm you down. So he said, have you ever talked about seeing a psychiatrist? I'm like, oh fuck off. Yeah, you go and see one. Here's a private one on Rodney Street. So here's where it gets funny. So he goes to see this fella sitting on the street, third floor, goes and sees this guy in a room like this. Sees this guy in his own face called Peter. This episode is brought to you by Palmolive.

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32:45Nice cast. Fitness apparel to push for higher reps. You got this. and golf balls priced so you can afford to lose one. Or a few. Head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all. From athletic to athletic-ish, Sierra's got it. Right, Sean, how are you? What do you do? I don't know. You go out to your company, you've got a bit of problems, all this and that. Right, Sean, I can see you have three phones, so can you turn them all off now? No, no. I said, well, that's one of your problems. I went, I know, I know, I know. So when I'm sitting, where he's got me, the door's behind me, and I'm like, he said, what's up?

33:23I said, I don't like that fucking door being there. And on the wall, it's not like one of them alarms on the wall. So I'm paying it, it was like 35 quid a go then. So I was doing like four or five sessions with him. You need to count to 10. Anyway, I got to the one phone. I took an operations manager on to do the sights. I'm doing the doors. give someone else the phone that's manned in the office and all that and I've had about four or five goes with this guy and I thought I'm getting nowhere and he's telling me things that I should be telling myself so goes in one day and he's got this fella sitting here at the end of the desk so you're there who I speak to and I won't do talks and set them up at like four or five people who are mental health it's private but I'm saying it now.

34:16Anyway, this fucking fella's sitting there and his chair's like, here. So I've come in, I've gone, all right, Pike? I asked you on this, this is a colleague of mine, this is, forget it, fucking, let's call him Tom. This is Tom, he's a friend of mine. I said, you all right? He said, you all right when we've been here? He went, no, not really, I don't, my mate doesn't fucking know you. I'm, I'm, I'm, this is personal. Well, I'm not going to take no notice. I said, why are you going to fucking turn your ears off us up? He said, no, I'm just sitting here. So I'm speaking to him and he went, I don't know he was there to test me to push my buttons.

34:55Right? He was going, you're doing well, but you get aerated. So I'm looking at him and he's throwing things. Sean, I've just got to tell you, he said, I'm trained in submission holds and all that. Yeah, made up for you. and I've literally gone I said yeah mate off your mate so I said look Peter I'm not really happy with this I wanted to go he went why do you feel intimidated by me he went look I really don't want to be here so I've turned my chair that way so I can see the door and this fucking gobshides there he went well why he went do you feel intimidated I went are you taking a fucking piss mate does your beard tell you that do you intimidate your beard or something he went Sean I've warned you I went you sorry you what and he's going now sure and I went no hang on hang on I'm talking to him now you've warned me I said look I'm going to leave no don't have to I said no I'm going to leave I want to go I've stood up grabbed the chair thrown the twat of him with the chair jumped on him because he's brought him in so he's gone over and said whoa whoa calm down I said you you fucking cunt set me up I've jumped on him he's hitting the buzzer the alarm's going off in the room but man I've come in I've turned the lats so you can't open it because I don't want no one coming in all them lats you can turn so I've turned the fucking lats I thought he's going no Sean turn your chair around he's trying to get me my back against the chair to relax me but that way it worked and I kept oh yeah and I kept turning it so I thought well fuck you I'll do that and then I'm coming I go we alright he's going to turn and put it on he's hitting the buzzer the staff were running up to three days he's screaming he's fucking mental get them in get them in get them in he's going Sean I said I said, calm down.

36:38You fucking set me up, you cunts. He's fucking been picking me. What do you want me to do? You know, when you lose the plot of it, James, you lose the fucking plot. And I went, ah, fuck. And these people, there's a little window like that. Please, open the door, open the door. He went, the police are going, you need to. I went, listen, go and get the fucking police. I have a nitty-year, I'm clung you over the chair. You've hit me with it. I went, I picked the chair up and I fell out my hands. Go and do what you want. I'm not fucking coming here anymore. So I left to get in touch with my doctors.

37:08They say, go and seek a mental health for that. And I wouldn't, but he had all this drama going on. Like, in between all this, James, all this fucking murder going on, that's got fuck all to do with me, mate. Nothing. And these people that starved today just left us to fucking get on with it. And, you know, sitting back, I think, you fucking cheeky bastards. Everyone in Liverpool just say to me, show them what you're doing, it's not your work. What you're doing. But someone's attacking your beard and your fucking kids. It's fucking not happening. I'm defending them, forget that now. They didn't fucking sort that shit out.

37:49They've dragged me in it, I'm going to deal with it. And I've... Mate, they chased me one night from me house. And they had a Vector V6. And they're chasing me. And they're out to Sunday, shooting at me. in the car and as I'm coming down Queen Drive this is in like the boot time or something I'm coming down the drive erm and as I'm coming up to lights to bump me car up to push me through the lights and I'm I had a Vector V6 they had a Vector V6 theirs must have been a bit faster because they were bumping me I was flooring it mate I mean fucking flooring I thought I'm going to fucking die and I remember I'm coming up to lights and I can see You know, the post office vans are out later for nice.

38:35This fucking hard tick's coming along and I'm going, fucking, do I slow? I'm fucking worried. But I always carry rocks in my car. I have these pebbles with faces on. And I've opened my sonny for throwing them out to try and hit their window. Anyway, they've let a shot go. I've come down this corner down in Bootle. The cars, the hatchbacks aren't it? It flew up. And they've put a shot right through the car. and I've leaned forward and it's come through through the back of the car hit the door frame there went on the engine mountain this is what the police tell me after anyway they've gone past me and went next time you're fucking dead and I'm just going come on but these kids was lunatics I'm just a dormant that can have a bit of a fight I don't want I don't fucking want it's nothing to do with me you know who it is but I've took it I've took it by the reins now so I've got to deal with it haven't I I'm going I'm fucking kidding you So they face me in his car, he's out the window, yeah, you're wanking.

39:35I'm like, fucking do it, aye? I've gone to drive the car, it's smoking, the front tyres gone down, the bonnets flew up, and they drove off. That happened in the car, and I thought, is it really worth all this shit fighting with these kids? These kids was running right, and we didn't have a fucking clue, they was on the street, crafting and everything. We're just fucking doing it. and I went I can't get out of it I wouldn't back down to no one in my life and if any of these people seen out there tell you Sean can have a go and he'll use them as well so I had to start using them they're shooting at my house, I'm shooting at their house they're bearing mine, I'm bearing theirs we was going to auctions for Thursday buying cheap cars for 200 and 300 quid just to ram people we'd drive round overnight me and a couple of the dormant Two of them not long got out of the big jail centres.

40:28Good lads. And me little nephew, he was great. And we'd be driving round, and you leave the heater off in your car, close your window so you get that bill of steam, so you can't see it. And we'd be driving round, bringing people, what car are they in? We'd see them and just ram them. Then just jump out and battle. And I thought, I'm getting fucking 30s up now. What am I doing? What the fuck am I doing? and then the kid had caused loads of trouble in one of the venues so I sent one of my good mates up at the time to go and see if that kid's there he went he's here outside now just where have we at I went get him so we got him in the car and brought him down to the club where I was working and I said right you little cunts this is talking about a big nail bomb in the fucking pub and, oh, that shit.

41:28Anyway, he's had a little kickin'. I'll give him a bit of money. This was on a Saturday. Monday, he goes to police. Police burst me out. Burst the gym. Everywhere. Everywhere looking for me. Anyway, this busies rang me up and said, look, Sean, kidnapping, false imprisonment, wounding well intent. I was like, what? Can I only give a kick? We've had them picked up in the car. You detained them. I said, what am I looking at? My ghost hits up. He went, 14 stars. I was like, what? He went, 14 stars? He said, that's what's happened. So I got demanded. I got demanded for that on my own in jail. They had loads of shit in fucking jail.

42:16Because I'm a doorman. I'm running all the biggest clubs and the biggest bars in Liverpool. Everyone sees a doorman as a bully. They're not all bullies, there's fucking some good lads out there. So I go to jail on my own. Ah, that doorman there from blah, blah and blah, blah. I've got to start fucking fighting again. I'm like, where the fuck does this end? And you know, your head is busted. Tablets don't help, mate. And we get a note under the door. And with me mate, Gary, me mate being nicked, and there's a note comes under me door. This is how naive I was with jail. and I said, Ching Ching, see you on the yard.

42:52So we've just landed in the jail by going down for the instruction and there's loads sitting there so I've walked down and I'm going, who the fuck's Ching Ching? Who's Ching Ching, eh? This episode is brought to you by Palmolive. Family time isn't just the big moments, it's weeknight dinners. Sitting around the table, everyone talking all at once. So when the plates are empty and the sink is full, use Palmolive Ultra. Palmolive's most powerful formula removes up to 99.9 % of grease, leaving your dishes sparkling clean. And the new convenient pump makes cleaning even easier, so you can spend less time tackling dishes and more time together.

43:28Shop now at palmolive.com. Sierra has all the best active and outdoor brands for the super athletic stuff, like running gear for cruising up the trail. Woo! And the super athletic-ish stuff, like fishing gear for chilling by the creek. Nice cast. fitness apparel to push for higher reps you got this and golf balls priced so you can afford to lose one or a few head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all, from athletic to athletic ish, Sierra's got it what are you laughing at who's Ching Ching yeah, come on, who is it Ching Ching means you're getting cussed up Ching Ching, yeah but I didn't fucking know I haven't done jail, do you know what I mean I've been in Ogden fighting the next...

44:17First time, I'm like, who the... And then one of the lads got, she went, Sean, he said, I said, go and find out your ching-chingers. He went, he's no ching-ching. I said, the fuck, I don't fucking know. He went, no, it means someone's going to cut you up, go on out, what are they going to do it? How do you go when happened to the yard? So me and my mate Gary's done a few, we've waxed a few, and then jail was sweet. And the reason why jail was sweet is because screws could have other jobs then. Now they can't. You're a screw, you're a screw. I think it'll be on 20th and then here. And I used to have maybe six or seven screws working for me.

44:57So when I've gone to jail, what can I do? What are you doing here? They can't see to help you. And they wouldn't really help you to go, look, you need to do this. If you want to have a nice, quiet life in jail, you need to do this. You need to do that. comply with this, comply with that and stop fucking hitting people. He said otherwise you're going nowhere. You're stuck here. Anyway, I ended up paying the lad and I got, the charges dropped and I got out. And then my last one I got, the one I finished, there was still shit going on. Being Amanda living in Wollington, I've been nicked. Got put in jail.

45:55So Amanda's coming to see me. And there's trouble with the couple of people in jail I was having bother with. And then Amanda's coming one day and they're outside to swallow her acid in the bottom. And that fucking girl's been through everything. How the fuck she hasn't fucked me off in the morning? Time, yeah.

46:17Yeah, but look what you've got. Come on. Honest, she's been through thick and thin, mate. I know I'm going on a bit forward, but she really has, honest. And I'm not just saying it because she's here. Lads close to me and friends are close to us. And, you know, people going about mental health and suicides. I have a tattoo and I got it done in jail. It's Sean and Amanda, TLND. and why I have it there you can see there's four big three big scars there see them yeah I cut my wrist I just had enough I was out when I'd done that and the man had sucked me the ocean so to me out I used to drive round with this Derringer I used to have 500 palachite a month 500 Azzish crushed into powder in a in a little in a tub and it's been this army fella he said do you want to do your fucking self-insured and just knock yourself out and sleep and never wake up go and get a load of tablets customer like power, they've got a glass of warm milk drink here and take all the tablets your liver, your kidneys are shut down, you're gone and I drove round with this little box this little tub, you know when you get all your medicine in and all that, you know what, plastic tub and the man used to say what's in that matter, oh no, no, no, no I have the next five now and we had a man that was living I brought the house right next door to her and then we started moving in have a night together to have two nights three nights you know and he had a load of shit again going on in one of the bars you know and you just fucking had enough I just couldn't get nothing done these people was like we'd go and do something they'd do it ten times worse and I'm like look this family that was close to me fucking saws her out it's not me go and have a fight with the fucking man this is not my shit this is not my trouble it's been to the army I'm dealing with it but you fucking started that no one's funding me buying cars no one's giving me any money no one's giving me fuck all I know you just had enough I pulled me dead engine out I pulled me X5 into my little drive I stopped it and parked outside and she said, I'm going, where are you?

48:41And I'm talking dead low, where's the window? Do you remember this? And I'm talking dead low. I went, I just, I thought I can't take that and I've got no more milk in. I'll be laughing about it now. Got no more milk in the car, I'm going to go out and get a bottle. I thought, you know what, I fucking had enough. So I run to me little oven, got me gun out little two I went fuck it I said babe I just can't do it no more she said what's up you're outside are you I went no no I went look I've had enough I love you I'm sorry just tell everyone look I'm sorry I shouldn't have got you involved I've been with him fucking three or four years then and as she's come down I've got the gun she dragged it and put it on the roof in my car how hard is it when you've got a fearsome reputation, people do look up to you, you've got a missus who loves you, but then the pressure of that life is making you then, your family become targets and then you don't even want to be here on this planet as a father as well.

49:48How hard is it when it all bulked up? That, that, that was, that's like the story that broke the camel's back or, you know, whatever you want to call it. And I broke down, man has got me in the house, what are you doing? What's this? Bin them tablets. You need help. I went and seen a proper psychiatrist to put me on a proper medication.

50:12And I just thought, you selfish bastard. No to myself. I'm going to fucking end myself. What about me kids? What about me bird? There's a man there being with me for three or four years. Looks after me. Targeter. Be in an airhouse. Ram in aircar. Say, go and fucking swivel with acid. and I'm just going to rent myself like a shithouse and she's stuck with all the baggage. Nah. And I just went, you know what? Just fuck the shit. Let them deal with the shit and just get on with your life. Then I got a gym in Warrington. I settled down a bit.

50:54Then I got my big deal for a gun and bullets in the house that these people that was close to me fucking blew me up and everybody knows this but I'm saying it now he's one of their every fucker knows James when the police nick you one of my doormen are in I've got a big night in the arena it's all documented and one of my mates over on the will it's his birds was a 40 to something he said Sean do you fancy going out but I didn't go out, James. I went, yeah, yeah, go on, yeah, I'll check my doors. I'll go round and check all my doors. He's all like, pay all my donor for Monday, all the cards of maturity.

51:40I'm going round.

51:45And I'm in this bar, in the arena. It's got an upstairs, all glass, it's concert square. And that's when she's just a fucking swarming, busy. And the licensee comes down, it looked us low, the police said, Do you want to see it? I went, someone's come in. She went, no, there's a lot of police. Helicopter, armed response. For what? She went, Sean, I don't know, but the Conscious Quarate shock's like that. I don't know if you've been to Liverpool. Conscious Quarate's like the main place to go. I had that door. So anyway, they've nicked one of me doormen. Little joke. They've nicked him. So I've come running down.

52:24And I've gone, what the fuck? Just before the police come. My lad's been caught with about 60 or 70 tablets, yeah? And all the tablets. Look, what have you got, Sean? I'm not working. I didn't do those then. I've got enough to open. I went and I checked them off. You all right? Get your tie on. Get off your phone. Get off this. Get off that. Me and the man has gone out with this couple. And the lad's got all these tablets, so you're supposed to ring the police. Get them nicked. I'm not getting no one nicked. And I've never had no kid nicked for any fucking drugs. Don't abide by it. Don't like what they do.

52:58But look, it's what they do. So what we do, take them to the exits and go, look, get the tablets, get the tablets. The licensees are going to ring the police and you're going to get nicked. But see that fire exit? The dorm are going to walk up there and you're going to boot that door and fuck off. Dorm are not going to chase you. So we always let them out. They always got away. So anyway, the licencing are coming. The kids got off. The lad sat over upstairs, went, Sean, you got any galleries? I went, come on, mate. He went, come on, it's my birthday. I'm 40, blah, blah, blah. I went,

53:37Joe, give us one of them, I give us one of them. I've got a tablet, mate. I stuck it in me shirt. There, I went, I'll be down in a minute. Going upstairs to me, mate. All the police are there. They want you, they want you. I've come down, believe you've got a firearm on you. And I went, oh, fuck off. I'm in the middle of a fucking bar. A couple of thousand people, you know, really want to say to me, let me up like a fucking Tismetree, the nicking one of my dorm, and I'm kicking off. Starting a business can seem like a daunting task, unless you have a partner like Shopify. They have the tools you need to start and grow your business.

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54:50I've had me search, and it's all glass. and he's gone, you ain't going anywhere. I said to him again and he's put his hand on me. He went, what's that? I said, what's what? So he's gone like that. I went, fuck all of you. No, what's that? And it must have been a nullity little thing. Yeah, I can't, no. A Gary mate, a fucking tablet, one tablet. And I went, listen, there's just been 70 years on the floor. The lads bolted the door and picked them up. It's ended in me, it's ended in me pocket. that's all we needed is to say it's your house. And I go and say it's my house. So, James, the fucking gun, the gun I had, I lent it to someone.

55:36I didn't think it was in my house. This is the gospel truth. I didn't think this gun was in my house, right? So I bought this house next to a man then. Got all the wooden floor fitted, new back kitchen. Lent this gun to this kid. It's what people do in Liverpool. Loan them this gun. And now I remember, he went, Sean, I didn't need you, just that's the girls I want. Put it back. The key's under the pot. You must have put the gun back. I've just forgot because I've got that much shit going on. Busy went, just what we need today's house. But no one knows I've got this house, James. No one knew. But the people I was close to knew I'd had this house.

56:15Because when you get your contacts for the bank, it's gone through an old address I had. And these fuckers knew this. I haven't gone say it to the house. Yeah, go on. Not in there, is they? As far as I know, it's not in there. In my proper house, they went to the fucking house where I was staying and found a gun. So these bastards fucking blew me up. And every fucker knows this. And I'm saying it for the first time. So they come in about half four in the morning, three o 'clock in the morning. man is kicking off trying to nick a man because the nick won't be so she's screaming because the nick of me and my beard's a lawyer I know all your beard's a lawyer she burns the phone out in the custody suite they come and got me three times look Sean when you speak to your wife will you please tell her she's blocking the line she's blocking the line but obviously I think we had an outsider coming and went Sean I got your guns here.

57:12Little snub-nosed 38 to 9 million. He went, yeah. But who's hard? He went, mine. He went, me solicitor. I went, no, they're mine. I thought, I want to go to jail. I can't do this on the street no more. I'm going to end up killing someone. And these people that was dead close to me, I thought, I'm going to... I'm going to end up killing one of them. And I've been around for 25, 30 fucking years. These bastards fucking set me up. And every fucking knows this. and I went, you know what, the man, I went, look, the man, what are you doing with them? I went, what do you think I'm fucking doing with them?

57:48I bought them to protect myself. Not to cause fear and danger, I bought them to protect myself. If you haven't realised, people are trying to fucking shoot me and bear me out. So what am I going to do, let's have a fight? Come on, fuck it now. So they nick me. I got six years, eight months. I got 30 % off. It was five years, four or something. you plead to it did you plead to it I just plead the guilty right away and they went do you want bail I went no I don't fuck it get it done get it done so they nicked me on the Saturday get to Walton on the Monday court Monday straight to Walton jail couple of me mates and I'm in jail all these other people that was close to me I fucking made up I'm in jail yeah fucking in jail no bed prick and all that they couldn't fucking fight sleep I fought their wars.

58:40I made their name. Anyway, I'm in jail. So I knew a couple of screws. And in the security, he comes up, he goes, Sean, when you send a letter into jail, they're all checked. When you send one, what's it called? When you send it, you've got to open it. Spets in delivery. So the screws, I don't know whether you've done jail. They come to your door, a spets in delivery. You've got to open it in front of them. and see what it is. Over your bed, send your pictures in a bikini and all like that. The screws, open your letters, Smitty. Just your bed, yeah, go on. Put one you want. So the screws said to me, look, you're going to get a pair of Thainey sent up and the dogs being on them.

59:23And there's an aid smacking it. I don't fucking do dogs. Don't sell them. He went, look, who's it come from? He went, there's no sender on it. It's from an address. I went, I haven't ordered no Chinese. I haven't even got a fucking clothes up yet. I've only been in about eight, nine weeks. I went, I haven't got a fuck all. He went, don't accept the parcel. Once you accept that parcel, whether you know a bar or not, and you open it, you're getting nicked. I went, there he went, you're getting nicked. So I refused it. Then she goes to go and see him. I went, I don't know who the fuck is it. I haven't put an app in for Chinese.

1:00:03I don't know anyone. then they done it it was the Christmas before they got nicked weren't they and when they've done it before the Christmas got nicked you send cards and you have the big stamps don't you they put fucking element in that to get me nicked in jail these was people I've been around for near 30 fucking years mate why are they doing it because I was a nuisance to them because they started all this trouble with me and I fell out with them they couldn't handle their shit they wanted me to carry on with their beef Crack on money. Nothing to do with me. Yous have all got money. Yous have all owned this and that.

1:00:41Go and fucking do it. Yous have left me with nothing. Nothing. No one gives me money to buy cars. Guns. Paid the lads for sitting off people's houses. Looking after them. I need some scourge outside my house. I'm putting lads outside all the fucking houses. They're not paying them. I am in my company. And I thought, I couldn't believe it. I thought, who would send me smack in? It was them. When a police officer says to you, when I'm getting nicked, they finished when they turned off. Very surprised, they're showing you put a guilty. I went to her and said, you know what? She was busy, she was an army response busy, and she went, detective.

1:01:21And she went, I'm very shocked. I said, you know what, girl, I've fucking had enough. I said, well, I've just had enough of the drama and the shit and all the family shit, I can't be asked. I need a break. I said, if I don't, I'll end up getting life'd off. I'll end up killing someone or killing a couple of people or I'll end up getting killed myself. I said, you know, when you just had enough, I thought, fuck it. I wanted to go, I was there. I wanted to go to jail. So she went, well, I just want to tell you something, Sean, off the record. The people that you're on about are all standing out, sitting by, all drinking cups of tea.

1:01:58And we've had 27 missed calls tonight to say you're carrying a firearm. I said, so what are you saying? Down to them, she went, well, off the record, yeah. They blew me up. These people have been round, looked after them, kept their fucking name up here, fought all their battles. They blew me up. And everyone was telling me in jail. I was going, no, I fell out. He went, I'm telling you. And it did. Then the enemies they had, because my mates in jail, were telling me what had happened to them. We got nicked. I got nicked with a gun, Nick. I went, what? That was your blah, blah. I was, what? And when he was telling me, it took a fucking hell.

1:02:41Yeah, it was. But I was oblivious. I just wanted to resort to trouble, because all this trouble was going on. You know, you'd have your big king, yeah, they've done this to the bar, they've done that to your house. I just did. I was in that mindset of you're bringing trouble, you fight fear with fear and that's what I was doing and a lot of me lads got hurt I got hurt mentally I was fucked I was fucked for years and you know even driving up here today she'd been in tears I was getting emotional because when I was in jail I listened to a guy called Ray Lamentage or Ray Lamentage Trouble Trouble oh mate what an album what an album sad isn't it oh mate it's about the women being there yeah and I'm singing it to a man they're coming up this morning and she's getting I had it I'd say she's getting emotional because when I was in jail he was alive for the air playing the guitar and he's playing his fucking guitar and I'm next door in this league and you don't know who's yelling I was doing there I was on this shitty boom and I'm going I didn't have that fucking guitar off you I'm fucking putting it over your head you cheeky cunt it's like half ten a night but I think it was a bit early what was like mad when i got to this it was like a bit quiet and he's playing these tunes so when i'm going i went listen mate you know you i'm finishing off for 24 years man i don't give a what you've been i'm finishing off me sleep i've got i i get up at half four sailing me pads i was mad sailing um i said i don't kill you what anyway what are you playing i'm playing this right who the fuck's right lamontana man and he had a little ipod a little ipod yeah because he'd done something to his neck and he had this light bulb thing.

1:04:27And he went, listen to him. And I listened to that album, James Trouble. Fucking hell, mate. Loved it. Got me through my jail. Honest, got me through my jail. That album, I could relate to the word Trouble, you know, he's worrying. And your bird saves you. And I'm singing it to her. She knows the song. She went, I've never heard them. And she was coming up on the visit. I was telling her, I can't get into that. and now we haven't heard it for ages and obviously I'm not being cut it's my anniversary I didn't know it was when you you booked it and it was a bit emotional coming up to be honest it was it was good it was good So how does that make you feel then you're fighting a war that's not even yours you're fighting for people who you thought had your back and then it turns out they've then set you up where you're then becoming suicidal your message is getting put under pressure how much do you feel let down then or angry how do you feel towards it all?

1:05:24Mate, you know what? There's no loyalty in the life of crime anyway. You've learned the hard way. No, there isn't. But how does it make you feel to be staunch and try to do you the right thing but then it's all came crumbling down where you've just been used? You know what? I went guilty. In the police team, the man guilty, where'd you get them? I bought them on this, I went to a car boot sale, I got told to some fella, he had army stuff and he got me them. I met some fella in a van and I just told him I know the shit. And then when she told me that, that these people are very close to me, the dad looked at phone calls, they're all sitting there, like fucking big Charlie potatoes.

1:06:01Could she have been saying that though, just the fact we had heard? No, no. I knew her mate, she was armly sponge. She pulled me a lot of times and she was to say to me, what are you doing? You got a family now? What are you doing? I'm busy saying to me, what are you doing? This is police telling me why the trouble's going on. it's not your beef get them to sort it but I just took her by the reins anyway when she told me that and then I'm in jail I've come out as I'm in jail I thought you know what if I would have got bail me solicitor said look we'll apply for bail you've got big businesses it was my first prison sentence I've been in the man three times that was my first prison sentence it's your first sentence when I went in 38 was it man 40 so it's my first sentence so I was down as a businessman being locked remanded a good few times but the police here is having a small army behind you not a big door frame that's protecting the fucking city and all the young kids that are going out there stopping themselves on fucking pills and everything in your club and I was 40 and if she would have told me that and I would have got bail, I would have went and killed her.

1:07:23Me solicitor said to me, look, we'll apply for bail for London. We'll get you bail. Let's look at the stats. I know it's going, it's very hard to get it, but you've got to touch all your business. You've got your wife and all that. We need it. There's a lot to sort out of you. I'll apply for bail. I went, don't. Said to you, look, we've got a good chance of getting it. You're not going to leave the country. You're not an abscond there. It's a fair sentence. but obviously the police knew me very well. He said, let's try it. And I wanted to, for Amanda's sake, you know, to sort things out with Amanda and all that and the baby.

1:07:58And I said, no. I said, why would I? I'd kill them, mate. I would have killed them. How was it, Sean, being in there? Were you ever worried for your wife's safety knowing that you were inside and kind of do a fuckhole? Every fucking day. I've never shoved nothing up my arse. I got used to shoving them. Mate, your ass is for exit, not for entry, innit? What's your ass for? To exit stuff out of your body, not for entry. So I've gone into jail. I've needed a phone. There's loads of jail stuff. We can probably do another time. You know the old Nokias? I don't know. They're about that big alley. Yeah.

1:08:37I get the phone off this lad. Get us the phone. He was like, fuck, I quit that. so he said to me charge it so he gave me the cable the first night I'm on I think cable was the remand when I've gone in I was only on the remand for four days because I've gone guilty so I can go into general population so I didn't want to get remanded put him on all the scroats and the bagheads and the tabby bashes if you go guilty they'll put you in general population but he had a few mates in then but I was there for two years anyway this lad gave me this phone so I just told I'll fucking plug her in. No one, with your kettle.

1:09:14I plugged her in and blew the lantern. Fucking, no, that's a fucking phone. I'm like, fucking hell. What to do with the phone? Well, mine's gone. And they're like, we'd just been banged up. There's still screws on. He went, Sean, don't fucking come here. He went, I'm fucking on my phone. I don't know this kid. I've only been in three nights. I'm going to take the fucking phone, lad. He went, you can throw it out the window. You fucking can't, can't you? You've got the messy on it. He went, no, I need the phone. He went, no big fucks. He said, plug it. I went, plug it no fuck, you mess. But he had loads of businesses.

1:09:50I had like 27 doors, clubs, sites. I had loads of bad money. I'm like, oh, for fuck's sake. How do you plug a phone? He went, mate, here's how you plug a phone. Plastic bag. I gave it a wash bag. With a tissue. get your phone, put loads of shower gel on it, and up it goes. I went, nah, go on then. He went, no, no, no, it's going up your arse. I went, not going up my arse, mate. I told the very ones, he's got it. He went, look, I'll show you, shall we got it already? He went, oh, mate, it's not bad. I said, go on then, let's see. He went, no, that's for you, right? I went, mate, I ain't fucking blogging that.

1:10:32He went, get some, mate. I've so tore my arse up, and I tore the cards, the cards the canary screws ooh blue don't like Ian they're opening doors they're all going screws are on the Germans and on and mate I've got it and mate I can't get it up I went fuck it and then I've heard the door and the door here and I'm just sat down fucking hell mate anyone who says it's easy it's not it's fucking hardware how them fucking pawns that do mate you need a fucking metal believe me the one who says it's easy they've done it far too many times It's a big thing. It's a big thing. But you know what? You know what?

1:11:11It become the norm. It become more than me. I could have the bag ready, the tissue would be in the bag, my phone would be there, I'd have my SIM in my fucking bellend. I haven't had my bellend cut, so I'd have my horse skin. I'd have my dinghy there, I'd have the phone, I'd use it, I'd put it there ready. I went to bed with fucking shout out on my ass in case they come in and I could get that up in one two three four go just got it up the things you do felt like I'm showing that it's still winning and you know what I laugh now it weren't a bar the money I had to speak to me bird because she's all I had mate I had me mate I had Walsh I had Alex I had me mate who was still one of my best mates I'm making great guys.

1:12:06Oh, yeah, yeah. I had all my own family, my brothers, my mum and all that. But how ironic is this? Me first, I get in jail and a man who's coming on a visit and sees me on his own and, you know, this, that'll be all right. And then the second visit, me dad come. And when your dad walks in, she goes, oh, lad, I'm fucking made up, you know? I went, what? What you fucking mean? He went, lad, she was, what's going on? He was going to fucking kill someone or be killed. I said, that damn cunts. And I told, man that had told him what had happened. He said, do you what? He said, well, you're better off, aren't you?

1:12:43I said, no, thanks. Yeah. And you know what? Jail was the only place I could go to sleep and felt safe. Sad, but I know. Felt safe. Sad, but I know. Now, cameras in me house, fire extinguishers. It's fucking mental. I live in a separate room from Amanda I don't have her in my room I don't have my kids in the room I have everything by plan Mate I don't even have a bought car now The cheeky bastard took all the weanels off my car last year and just left the you know your tingy nuts Yeah the boats That one I don't know what it is I'm in the car I'm going up to the

1:13:30Where Winks lived poor mate who died I'm going in the car I'm driving I'm like I'm fucking right I pulled over Leicester go and see me our mate who died rings god bless him and I'm driving up to Leicester and my car started to fucking shake no nuts on it just them safety wouldn't know you'd think you're not a nut like what the so a mini-hate rang them out he went you can't drive that I said why I thought your wheels had come off I said what do I need he went you need 16 fucking nuts I said, I've got two nuts in the fucking car that have come with me on this job, you know what I mean? He went, no, your nuts are gone.

1:14:08The people have took the nuts off my car. I have a nose pipe in my garden that will reach my car in case they burn it. Even now, I don't have trouble now. These lads that had all the trouble, I've spoke to half of them. I don't have a problem with them now, James. I really don't. They understand it weren't my beef. And I'm like, all that fucking shit, you put my fucking beard through. A man was coming in the jail and I moved her twice. She lived in Iken first, then in Warrington. I had three fucking hours. I owned a Warrington. She was living swapping, swapping. Can't get you, we'll get you a bed.

1:14:43I'll be a fucking man and get me. I've gone, what are you going after me bed for? I'm here in jail. What's the worst thing about being in prison, Sean? Well, one, obviously not seeing you love one, you don't take it yourself. Not seeing you love one, but just watching your business go, mate. The police, two licensing officers, and I'd love to fucking name them, mate, but I won't. I've gone to jail. They went round to every door I had and went, available security's still on here. We're in. Three or four weeks, we'll shut you down. We'll revoke your licence. The director's just being done for guns and all that.

1:15:26So I put everything in the man's name, dab it down, exactly. Took everything off me, mate. So I'm going from earning five or six grand a week. My business return over 1.25 million. I'm earning about three or four months. I'm lucky if I'm doing eight grand on doors, mate. Took everything. Took everything. Police. And the reason why the police done it, I kept about three good doors. I had a door in Liverpool called Flanagan's, like famous Flanagan's, an Irish bar. and Amanda kept that and he had a place called Royal Birkdale golf in South Wales I had that for a time about seven years I had the Flanagan's for 11 years maybe 12 so we had Dorman on Flanagan's couple of bars out of city centre and it was the open it was the first year he was having the open in Royal Birkdale and they needed like 80 guards so I'm in jail I said man speak to him The lads will sort that.

1:16:32Alex will sort that out with you. Alex, work. Walsh will help you with that. A couple of good lads round us. Get on that and sort it. The dirty bastards, these people I was close to, have rang Royal Birkdale, sent a picture of me in jail. Villain gang, all that shit. Jails, this is the company you've got. But they are fellas that running, I think his name was Tom, he's like an army general. And he rings Amanda up, Amanda goes and has a meeting with him. He said, look, I'm getting all this about Sean. And I'm like, we've had this for seven years. But because there was big money coming in here, and these used to have a little scotty, famous, these people I was really close to.

1:17:15And it was just all fucking jealousy, mate. Jealousy. I was going to earn big money. He said, Amanda, that'll do. That'll just... I had enough money to keep it going anyway. There's an extra bit of money. Keep that, put it to one side. put it in the guard company, not the door company. They took our man to court. And she was going to do them for slander. They went, look, we can't have you here. So the main guy in Louis Burkdale went, I haven't got a problem with able scourting. I've had them seven years. We need 84, 89 staff to provide all the staff, all SII regulators. We've gone through all the structures and everything we're doing.

1:17:57And I'm happy. Police, if you have anything to do with Abel, we'll shut it down. It's the first open over here in this country. Was it 2001 or something like that, or 2000? He went... Yeah. So this busy rang Amanda. She put a big complaint in over the police officers. And he rang Amanda. And she went, listen. she went you know I'm running that and yeah it is Sean's and I'm running it with his dad and all good lads unless I ate up she went I'll tell you what I'll do with you when Sean gets out and we get I'm in jail at the time and everything's just going mate and I'm on I'm hiding the phone I've got bits of beef in jail out of all my dorm and that I had the whole just fucked off a few of them stayed balanced they were just there for the wage just there for the wage I'm going to fight someone they're all standing behind us here they don't fucking get in the face I've gone to jail I've gone they just want to stay on the no no I'll stay here I'll get you wages I really find you find out who your true mates are when you go to fucking jail mate and my mate my mate told me that my good mate Paul Harden who's done a lot of fucking jail mate he's done a podcast a few months ago staunch fucking top top guy and he went you'll find out who your mate are when you get, I was like, nah, he went, I'm telling you, because I was going to visit him in jail.

1:19:29He went to jail, mate, people just forget about you. You'll have jail, mate. And when you come out, they go, oh, how are you? I said, they won't send you no money in. Won't send you a pair of fucking tightens and all the T-shirts, but they won't come and visit you. And anyway, this man has put their complaint in about these two license officers that are bent as fuck. And man, Amanda went, I have proof that you've took back Anders. Never mind, off Sean. I've seen these two police officers, and I've fucking loved... I think one's retired now, one might still be there. Erm... I've given them envelopes.

1:20:07I'm one of the biggest clubs, when they put in for a late license before late license come out. Here's our application, Sean. Will you pass that to them? Well, I've just seen a blindfolded. Here I am. Could hand every month them pair of the cunts again. and they're ringing all the licensees up to fuck me off at the doors I'm doing a proper job could have gone to jail still the same lads on the door no problems on the door but like the boss has gone to jail so the company looks bad but let us change the name and let us run the fucking doors but they're taking a fucking grand a month a grand a fucking month to run it that was only one big club I was on what else was he taking and I'm the criminal nah and I just lost faith where everyone is.

1:20:53I don't like the police. The police have lost control of the city. They haven't got a clue. You go round Liverpool in your car, you don't see the fucking police. You don't see them. City centre, you will. Come out to the city centre, you won't see no police. Who do you think the state of Liverpool, the now? Do you think it's a good place or a bad place? No, I think Liverpool is booming. Booming.

1:21:18The singing, competition they've just fucking had. not to call Eurovision Eurovision look I love Liverpool same I still go to Liverpool yeah amazing city but people don't know what goes on there you get the odd ones someone's been in it and put in a coma but what about the other ones that have been just slashed or knocked out and the Amherst have been out you're not reporting all that shit are you you're not reporting that Liverpool isn't the safest of what people think it is great of a day come 12 one in the morning different place mate different fucking place most of us think you're seeing in prison Sean erm I've seen quite a few things in prison mate I've seen a kid get swilled up with a load of sugar he was a nonce he's here there er that was fucking horrific because you allow kettles now years ago I don't know if you know these hails up here you went outside on a wall and the water was just hot enough for a cup of tea now you've got kettles in your room.

1:22:22So I've been moved off to Ewing and they put me with the lifers and I knew a few of them. And they had this this fellow around. I said, yeah, give him Kit Kats to the screws. Yeah, I'll do that. Wanting a job. Always around. I'm always standing by the office. He was a fucking wrong man. And one of these kids there was two lifers there. They'd only come down for the visits. And they got like 24s. 21, which is big then, than when I was. Anyway, he's a fucking nonce. I said, mate, look, do your own way first. Everyone calls everyone a nonce. But you know when you say he look like a nonce, he fucking, he look like Jimmy Salon without the hair.

1:23:06But without the hair. Or Rolf Farris without the beard. 100%. And he went, he's getting swilled in. I said, well, anyway, when they're allowed to go in the cleaner service, he's getting swilled. So because they knew a couple of screws and you're on a light for you, leave your door open. If you don't go to work in jail, you get locked up. But because they knew some of the screws and on the landing, we had a rower, a bike and a stepper. So to leave me out all day, I'd just have a go on that, have a go on that. So I can see them. And they've got two jars of coffee coffee jars with a load of sugar in it and boiled two of the lads the lads done it he had the two of them and put the two of them straight in his car mate he was standing there and he's leaning on the way he go on the stairs yeah boss no boss whatever like you know one of them and the kid the kid got nicked for it he wasn't asked he only had the kid two and a half years he was only in two and a half years into a sentence and he only come back to Liverpool for his visits and he'd thrown the fucking two of them on James.

1:24:17I've never heard screams like that in my fucking life, mate. Making your own. All the pads are shut. There's only cleaners out. There's no water on the landing. They're putting the towel on. They're putting the cloth on and that's sticking. They're pulling it off. It's been bad, mate, bad. Seeing that, I've seen a lad have a fucking, well, a finger up his ass first and then a knife because he dropped someone's gear and I goes in the pad to see this kid over a bit of trouble he had with someone on a different wing on the visiting list. And he went, just watch that over there. And this kid was a punter.

1:24:58He was a punter anyway. So there's two gearheads. This sort of kid being on a visit said he hasn't got the drugs. And they go, you fucking have you little cunts. No, no, she couldn't pass me, she couldn't pass me. So the kids hit them. but they're not, they're just little victims. They're hitting this kid and they're not knocking him out. He's like, no, no, no. So I would just fucking choke him out with you. I would just choke him. My little mate was Walsh. He would just choke him, lad. I would just choke him. So he's got him this way, choking him. And as he is, he's on the bed choking him. So pity that he's over the bed.

1:25:36The other lad's pulled his pants out of you and spitting on his ass, I thought. He's like, you're going to fucking fuck me or something? And he goes, with his finger like that, up his arse, it's there. I can't get it. So I'm standing by the door going, what the fuck are you doing? Fuck him, let's wait till he won't have a shit. The kid's asleep. So you only get the plastic spoons, but the knives are a bit thicker. They've got the plastic knife handle up his arse. I went, all right, fuck this off. I won't get the gunning. They fucking got it, mate. They got it and smoked the brains out. I see them in the morning.

1:26:21I see them, not the morning, they have to win. How's it going? He went, sad, wow, fucking sad. He said, good gear. He went, right from the church's ass, right, roughly. People going on people's asses, mate. How many debts do you think you collected all in, Sean? my debts I'm glad you brought debts up debts I've collected in made hundreds and there's a few I haven't gone and you know what it is and I'm not making myself I wear my heart on the sleeve I won't take debts unless there's a cause or the idiot and there's an invoice a paper trail and I've had grown people older than me my age crying in my office to be ripped off my builders or, you know, investments.

1:27:11Investments is hard to do. Yeah, so everyone called debt collectors, bullies, this, that. Mate, I've never bullied anyone in my life. I didn't need fucking bullying. And it's like now, so I've got a big job now, right? This is now, this is live now. My leg brought something to the week. A girl gets raped. The fella gets eight years, not just for rape, for aggravated rape. The majority of you are 12, fine. You're guilty unanimously.

1:27:42So we got eight years and the judge said to aggravate her, which is ten times worse. She got in the house from the straight line. She's one of the first women, and you can Google this, to sue a rapist because she lost her job. So we got eight years in 2016. He's still on licence till 2024. for she sued him in 2019 she won the court case it was all in the national papers you can just put rapist cheshire uh and she won the court case for 89 grand and her head's fucked mate she's gone she come to the office met me and i was like whoa girl i can't the fuck down not sure i'm i'm you know medication i'm on diazzy i'm gonna take one now she took one i said look take She went, there's the story, I'm reading the story, blah, blah, blah, looking at her.

1:28:36She said, I've got a cold order here for 89 grand. And I said to her cheekily, she went, fucking hell, I don't know about 89 grand. You need 89 pence for a fucking bar of soap. You need a fucking good wash. What's happened to you? Laughing like. She went, I don't wear makeup or nice clothes now. That's why she went, in case people are attracted to me. I said, how fucking sad is that, mate? There's a bird that doesn't want to really look after herself with make-up and clothes because she's scared in case people attack her. Because this fucking rapist rapes her. But I've got the court order and I'm coming for them.

1:29:12He's changed his name. I only got the job assigned to me. Where are we now? June? May. Mid-May. So I've had the job about three or four weeks and I'm finally cunt and I will knock on the door. So the point is, Is anyone going to call me bullied in? They're not, are they? No, you'd be respected. Because he's a rapist. Yeah. So why are you calling me bullied when I go and click your mum and dad's debts and I have a court order? I don't come and take your fucking car or your furniture outside your house. I'm helping genuine people. So how does it work then, the debt collecting? What's the deal? Do you take your 50 %?

1:29:48No, no. So the deal is, so if you have a court order, right? So somebody owes me 100 bags. Yeah, someone owes you 100 grand. You have a judgment. That judgment lasts forever, mate. Is it a legal, legal? Yes. So I have a solicitor that works in the office. So you're owed the money, right? James English is owed it on the grand. You try to collect it. You can't get it. Solicitors just hate them. I call Sheriff Sabine. You can't find them. You come to me. You assign the debt to my company. Yeah? I don't buy it. You don't buy debts. That's all bullshit. You assign the debt for Sean Smith Enterprises to collect your debt.

1:30:26i.e. Sean Smith I charge you a percentage of what I collect for you so I'll say you owe me five grand upfront expenses for me the lads the offers to do the work find out where he is we'll go and travel down see how he's doing see what he's up to video I'll send you footage here he is here he's going to work there's his bear going with the kids to school he's got this business that business I send you all that fare so I go look that five grand you give me for expenses. I've spent fucking, say a pocket of the grand. I've spent four. I'm paying the lads to come sit at the house. I'll get them video and watch them.

1:31:05I'll get all the camera and stuff. I go, look, I've got them now. So today, I'm going to land on them and I'm going to approach them for your money because I know he's got that other business because what a lot of people do. So say your company's called Rutherford North, SW Rutherford North West. you can go bankrupt change it open another company you might stay and call SW Rufin North just leave the west out it ain't fucking up me you've gone from unit B to unit fucking F it's your business how much money you're driving now no you're not your cunt you're in a fucking office every day you go in there with your rags on you're sitting in the back office getting all the way I do all that everything's signed over everything's legit but when they've done the the YouTube device and the Netflix and they called it UK's scary it's fucking embarrassing it's still a good name to get people watching yeah it is how does that then affect your life because then people know who you are that's watched worldwide so does that enhance it with a positivity or does it bring a lot of people trying to test you then since that's been out and you can ask Amanda there it's coming back I get challenged it may look even now I think it's seven years old I think it's seven something like that and you get people going oh mate aren't you that fellow who slapped that aren't you that tech and they go yeah yeah yeah oh I enjoyed that I go oh thanks mate you know oh thanks glad you enjoyed it oh you're still doing the same shit and then you get people going really look at my door I'll leg you and I go and I was just going hey I go mate listen listen listen I ain't no gangster I ain't no hard case I just stand up for what I believe in I want black down from any man I'm 57 years of age I train like fuck I spar every week I'm not a fucking idiot don't treat me like one mate I know UK scares I go look and I go it shouldn't have been the UK scares that character it should have been the UK's mediator but but TV people being TV people, sounds better, doesn't it?

1:33:21And they've done it, and it's done worldwide on Vice and Netflix, 102 million views. And I think it's 32 million on YouTube. Well, when I last look, I've never watched it. I've never watched this. I've never watched the Vice or the YouTube. See the Vice one when you were slapping the two kids? Yeah. Bodybuilders like that went. That still gets sent. Yeah, it's still... I still get... No joke, I still get saying that. But listen to this. How was that? How was the kids and how was all that come about? Was that... Was that totally 100 % legit? Or was that... Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. So, I've got two guys filming me in the gym and so only everyone knows who he is.

1:34:08Oh, the kid who was slapped? Yeah. Yeah, so I've got them filming in the gym and there's a bit of a sad story. So, the one with the tattoo and there was a young lad, stocky lad, Dave, He died then. It was fucking dead sad, mate. So anyway, I did it in the gym and I don't have steroids sold in the gym. Simple as that. I'm not, as you said.

1:34:31I have, it was full of weights. I have 12 bags now. There's two rings and it's all fitness and cardio. So look, if someone wants to take juice, go and take it in your fucking house, mate. That's what you want to do. Go and do it. I'm not arsed. Don't fucking sell in the gym. So I've said to this kid, the one with the tattoo, I didn't really know, he's only been coming in the gym I'm on to do, but Dave, the little bodybuilder, he was on Juice, he told me he was on Juice. I said, I was going in for shows. We went to Southport and Watson doing a show. And this little fucking idiot he was with, I'm glad you brought him up.

1:35:08Because that slapped him his life the way of the good. The tattoo's gone, he's got a normal job now, so I believe. And I said to the film crew, I got told he was selling gear in the gym. I thought, you fucking cheeky cunt. Now look, I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm not out. I went, he's selling juice in the gym and he's not giving me fuck off. Not only is he taking the piss selling it, he's not even offering me a fucking drink out of it. So I'm fuming. So I've said to the camera crew, look, just wait by the desk. So when you come into me gym, there's a desk. And me office used to be in the gym.

1:35:46there's a desk. So what's up? I said, I just need to bottle this case. Just. And I'm like that with that mic thing here. I went. And here he's coming in. I went, look, just. So I said to the man, tell him I want to see him in the office. If I go down in the office. Bump. Here's fucking Vice or whoever's used to film here. Behind me desk like that. I went. I said, look, forget. You see me saying, look, forget about this. Because I'm there. I can't say. hang on do you just want to go I'll start again I'm I've got a bit of a I had a bit of a temper on and I can control my temper I'm really good I'm really good but I thought you fucking cheeky bastard send a fucking gear in the gym one you know I don't have it if you want to take it take it you want to take it in your house and you can't do it don't fucking sell it yeah so anyway he went and he seemed like look fucking forget about them you sell gear in the gym so I slapped him and said like you owe me a gran and you owe me your hand.

1:36:47Sell the fucking gear at my gym. And then the other muppet that was with me, he tried to give me a few dicks. And if you watch it, he's hit them. But no, I did generally slap him. I did.

1:37:00And then when they've gone, I'll give him a proper dig then. Because I generally didn't know they were there. Hand on ass. And that's on me, Darren's fucking curse. I didn't know he was there. Anyway, he's fucked off. I said, you owe me your hand. So Dave, who worked in the gym, I said, I'm shocked at you. I said you're a fucking boss kid I never took nothing off him I made the other kid pay the grand and then Dave young stocky lad he's out at a a concert and he's had a bit of drink and he's arguing with his beard and you know when you have that little rain stop over your door you know he's climbed on that to shout his beard she's up in the window and he's letting me know you're not getting in and I've been back to hear the dickhead.

1:37:47The fucking poor kids fell, only like 11 foot. Bound his head dead. Dead, mate. And you know, he was dirty bastards putting things on the side. Sean killed him. Sean turned him out the window. Come on, mate. For fuck's sake. It was fucking sad, mate. It was fucking horrific. It was fucking sad. God rest his soul. Jocks, Scotland.

1:38:14the first I knew a couple of jocks but never really sat down and met them and I get a phone call one day must be probably two years now off this guy he said hello, I don't mean my name's, I can't do a fucking jock accent my name's Jay, Jay Paul I went yeah anyway look I've had a bit of Doug Excusen drinking and I wondered if you could help me. I went, what way mate? He went, no, no. I went, I don't sell gear, I'm not getting gear up to Scotland. I thought it was a joke, you know. He said, no mate, I'd love to come down and see you and I believe you're out for a few people out and mate, I come and work in your gym and stay in your gym and he's time to get me on the straight and narrow.

1:39:00I went, I said, look mate, do me back. So I put the phone down. He ran back, said do me back tomorrow, put him off again. I need to hand me back the next day. She said, no, I'm being genuine. I went, but I'll tell you what, mate. Are you genuine? You want to come down? Yeah, I went, all right. I'll give you the chance. Have you fought before? No, I went, have you trained? Yeah, I've always trained. I went, don't we come on here to fight? If you want to come here and sort your head out, I've got a room. And all the one-off, yeah, look after me, Jim. That's it. All right. Week after, mate, just fucking Jay Paul turns up.

1:39:36Scottish, Dundee. that far from here. About an hour. About an hour. Pulls up a little bag. Hiya mate, I'm J. Fucking hell. Oh yeah. Mate, that kid stayed with me when he first come for probably two months, maybe three months, probably two months. He just changed like that mate. Training every day. Waking up through the night training. Sean, I'm doing this. I'm doing that. Then he fell off the wagon He had problems with his kid.

1:40:12And then he went back home. Then he come back. He fought for me. He had a fight for me bare knuckle. Which was his hard fight for his first fight. His face was ripped to fuck. Never give him, mate. Fucking heart of a lion. I don't know whether you jocks have got it all. This kid has got it, believe me. And then he fought again. His lip got split. His eye got split. and we're like probably two and a half years down the line now and I get a big grin on my face because he's doing well he's got a good job he speaks to me all the time I give him my dog he's got my dog I was up here a few weeks ago and a great lad mate a great lad and then from him I met another big lad big John Ramsey big heavy mate he's four footers he knows you from up here because I told him I was coming here today oh well can we come down and get on the pog I went no I'm just sitting with James and I went but we'll go out I went well he's all fighting for fucking three weeks so Jay isn't but Big John is he's in Dundee he's fairly well known John

1:41:24but talking about fighters I asked a fighter because I asked a fighter because I mentioned this because it was a bit I felt for me

1:41:39so one of me fighters who I'm really close to everyone I know who it is because Big Johnny looks after him up here a few weeks ago so I've got this fighter he said I could say his name but I don't want to say his name he's one of the best in the country he's two times he's got a European belt as well and he's been lying to me for about fucking hell over ten years and he's had problems drugs, diazies up and down pre-gabalins anything, anything and he's always been bad you know I'm in Wales once and he lived in York so everyone I know who he is and he said I could say it and I fucking really hate me this.

1:42:29This only happened a few, maybe three months ago. I had to cancel the show because of this guy. So we have another guy living in the gym, another jock. I'm getting all your fucking, all your people coming down to me, mate. So after this, I'll probably get more. But Dave, as I'm getting on to this guy, Dave lives up here in Scotland. and he was an alcoholic wife died that's a sad story mate that's a fucking sad he's been coming to my show for years alcoholic been in rehab twice and they died twice I said look your last chance my and Amanda's friend who comes to all the shows stays over there your last chance he's been with me since this February we're now in June out in Tuckabong drop of ale trains Tuesday Thursday Saturday morning with me in the gym we do a little job together great guy so well done Dave, great fella.

1:43:27So, he's in the gym, my best mate, one of my top fighters, if not the top fighter, he's on one and he's taking drugs and he's this, I can't believe it. He's on it again, blah, blah, blah, he's fighting in five weeks, that's why I cancelled the show. So his bearing goes, look, he's not here, can't breathe. He's breathing funny. I said, what do you mean? So Mandy goes, get my ambulance, because Amanda lives there in the house. I live here in the house. I don't live in the house. I live, like, next to the house.

1:44:04Erm... So Amanda... brings me... I like to live in the garage, which is, like, separated from the house. Got to have my own room and everything. I live in the garage. This is how fucked my head is. I live in me garage, because me garage is facing me house, so I can watch anyone if they go to my house. and I've got no troubles now, James. But, yeah, I'm just stuck in that way. Oh, Tarvots. Protection, fire extinguishers, putting things around the house, hosepipes, having me dog, having me fucking gun shield, making sure I said it's thrown on. It'll take me four seconds to get out and get over the wall.

1:44:45It's fucking shivering, mate. My head's been fucked up for years. I'm all right now. LAUGHTER But look, listen, the way to a successful marriage, guys, is separate bedrooms, believe me. A bed is for sleeping. Like an ass is made for exit, not entry. A bed's for sleeping. Come and have sex with my house. I like sleeping. I can't sleep. It's not fair to me, Amanda. I have four hours tops. I've got to get up and about. Anyway, let me get back to this guy. I was getting a bit thinking that I'm not actually speaking now so his office said his beard didn't think bad and I've seen a bit of shit and I've seen someone die in front of me mate I've seen someone killed in front of me and I've seen a fucking dead person I used to help a friend out in the morgue I've seen dead people bodies don't bother me but to see someone actually get killed in front of you and hear that last breath get drawn and see their eyes go it's not fucking nice mate and I've seen someone who's just been killed, but they're, nah, I can't.

1:45:51Anyway, she rings me bed, me bed rings me, and I go, pop me out of the window. So I'm going, what is he? She said, he's fucked, he's off his head again. So it's about 10 past 7 in the morning, and his girlfriend's got to go to work, and he's my best mate. I look up to this guy, he's one of the toughest fellas I've ever known. He can fight like fuck, he looks amazing.

1:46:19and he's had shit like I've had shit, and I should have let him go away, but I can't, I love him. You know, you have that man love. I just love the kid. He's a fucking boss lad. Anyway, she went, I ring the police. I went, don't fucking ring the police. Boy, we got a bit of Beacon or a couple of tablets or loads of diazies. Don't fucking ring the police. So I goes and gets Dave from the gym, and there's a funny part of this. I went he's off his head again come with me now so I picked him up goes to flat goes in James and he's lying there so I went I'll fucking wait to come to him so I took a vitamin B12 jab you have vitamin B12 jabs I've stopped in the village which is by his big big pure audience vitamin B12 jab I went I'll crush his balls I'll wait to come to him I said Don't get the police.

1:47:13So he goes and he sees him. I went, fuck. Come on. Let's call him Billy. Billy. He cuts his ball and I went, I went, no, I can't. I can't stick me fingers up my mate's hands. Fuck that off. I can't fucking. And Dave was going, no. I went, fucking. No, I can't. I can't. So I racks his balls. I'm picking them up off the bed. Come on, wake up. So anyway, I said, you better ring your ambulance. So I've rang the ambulance. I said, look, it was like... And then shaking. So I said, what's he's had? He doesn't have no drugs, as in, you know, coke and all that. Full bottle of liquid morphine, 500ml, half a bottle, Some pre-gabalans, some diazies.

1:48:15I couldn't do it. Wouldn't make him. Gets on the phone to the ambulance. I said, look, I've been trying for... Feels like it's probably three or four minutes, two minutes. I can't make him. But you put the phone to him. You can't talk, Mike. He went, no, you just... I wanted it as a pre. So I went, start CPR now. Can you do CPR? I went, yeah. I said, no. He went, start it now. There he went, put that back right now. Is that right next to his lips? She went, start it now. What's your name, Sean? Sean, you need to start it. And I'm working on him, mate. I'm working on him. And you're in that, like, fuck, you just want...

1:48:59I fucking love the kid. I'm working on him. And everything else is going on. You don't care what's going on. Get the fuck! I'm shouting to his beard and Dave, and the other job could get down with that fucking ambulance and I'm working on him, I'm working on him. So Dave's lying across the bed. I'm leaving over and working on him, so I'm sweating, aren't I? I'm sweating all over him. And he just goes like... like Greg. Like he just trained out of him. And I'm sweating. I'm going, no, mate, no, come on! And they're saying on the phone, Sean, you need to take a break now. I said, never mind a break, I'll do it.

1:49:3724 hours a fucking day. We made a love of them. And she went, you need to swap over. I said, no one's swapping over. So I goes to this Dave. Give me that. Don't swipe me brow. He's lying on the bed. I've had a towel on him and a cold compress on him. Trying to cool him down. And I go, give me that. And he goes, he grabs me hand and goes, oh, where's he going? I went, what are you fucking hand, you daft guns? I've got one hand in the face. And I went, take off your hand. Swipe me brow. He, see him going grey, he saw us back to hold his hand, cos he was dying. And I'm gone, he's not going to see us.

1:50:16I can't fucking hold your hand anyway. Go wipe me brown. So I'm still working on him. That was the funny part of it. So anyway, I'm working, the ambulance come. So they have the ambulance and that like little special car one, don't they? Come in, like what's that? I said, look, he's a bernacle fighter and all like that. What's he had? I've got his beard to get all the medicines. And he goes, look, well, listen, you've done well. I said, look, I want him well, mate. I want him well. So he went, can you leave the room? And then one of the Amherst fella goes, oh, I know you. Because it's only one of the top.

1:50:52But I went, oh, yeah, I've got this here. He went, no, I've seen him on the ceiling. You've got a fella, aren't you? I went, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's here? He's one of our fighters. Oh, fuckers, they here then. What's he going to be like when he wakes up? I went, well, what would you be like, mate? If you woke up with four fucking fellas and women standing around you? He went, well, Sean, innit? Stay here. So his beard goes out and Dave goes out and I'm standing there, like, me best, one of my best mates. Yeah. And they give him that, they tell him all that. So we go, mate, it was like the exodus.

1:51:21I'm going, I'm shouting, I'm, come on! And he went, shout, I'm screaming. They give him a second, they wake up in a minute. He's, well, that whole couple, he's like, come. and then just just flat lines just flat lines right step aside and then he started him so he fucking died in me so I'm like oh come on so anyway they went looking needed the blue light and take something to the hospital so anyway we're outside they've got him in they went look we're just we're working on him we've got to pump him the stomach and all what he's had we don't know what he's had. We give all the stuff to the docs that they're going through what he's had.

1:52:01Because you can't just give something, they've got to know what stuff he's had. I went, I'm saying, you're going to be alright. But look, he's lucky to be here. So the ambulance fellow who said he knew me, well, knew me face, coming down and he goes, do you want to shake your hand there, Sean? I said, did you enjoy it? He went, no, you've just saved your mate's life. I went, fuck off. He went, you have. He said, eh.

1:52:31I'm like, fuck off, saving me his life, you know. You laugh. He said, it's only for you he wouldn't beat you. I know something that's here.

1:52:51Do you have a thing? Why does it get you so emotional, mate? Can I beat you? Yeah. Oh, God, you know, I've been there. That could have been me on the bed. Could have been me when I tried to shoot myself. Could have been me when I slipped my wrist. It hit you. And I thought, that's what my beard would be like. That's what I would have been like. Did you get me, James? The realisation? Yeah. It hit me then when it... And then all that just brought everything back. You know? Yeah, I'd saved his life. You've done well. I went, look, he's done well. He's here. I'm not asked. People go, oh, Sean, you've done great.

1:53:34You've done great. I went, yeah, well, you do me. That man must people do it every fucking, every week. They're the arrows. I'm not. They're the arrows, mate. They keep us going. They fucking train us to do it. So anyone out there, go and earn fucking first aid because you never know when you need it. I never thought I'd need it to do that on my best mate who's fit as fuck, who can fight like fuck, put him against anyone the best in the country, man, luckily, he is one of the best. And I was like, no, this sinks in. You have a, oh, you understand, he's going to be all right. He was in for 10th and 15th, two, 15th, 15th.

1:54:11Sorry about that. Anyway, it brought everything back to me. Like, yeah, he was on the mend, but it, James, it just fucking knocked me back. and I thought, wow, what the fuck happened there? Poor Dave was like, oh, I can't get over it. I was going, shut up, you know, and things did, but I got a bit choked. And it was about, before the day, we had to cancel the show and we were all busy then. We cancelled the show, we got another date. And I'm just sitting in my room one night and I just fucking broke down with it. And I went, what fucking happened? Not because I saved me mate. And then I didn't want him in Warrington, so I rang me Johnny from Dundee.

1:55:08I said, Johnny, you'll have to come and get him. Johnny's took him. Johnny's took him up to Dundee and looked after him. He's a fucking big fit for that. He's done brilliant. Jay Paul was running down. Jay was helping him. Everyone got round. and so everyone's running around, they're all fixing them and I'm sitting in my little room because I'm all... We go home and I go in my room at 8 o 'clock or whatever and I'm sitting there and everything just fucking hit me and I thought, that could have been me. So the way I felt a bit upset and a bit alone on my own, I thought, how would my bed have felt all them years ago if I would have done that?

1:55:45How would my kids feel going to school? Oh, your dad killed himself, aren't you? People don't see that, do you? Yeah, it's a sad thing With a mindset It's hard to say But the bottom line is When you take your own life It doesn't take away your pain It passes it on Exactly mate Exactly Your pain's gone Because it's gone to all your fucking family Your kids have got to grow up with that Look, your bed can move on mate Whether your bed will grieve for five years, ten years You better meet I love when I meet someone Because We're human We're not fucking robots You'll meet someone in five, ten years Whatever and you might get that bit of love when you fucking kid what happened to the kid who was stabbing himself in the vice documentary doing alright he's doing good he got a bit of jail cuts all here off and it's like nice doing good brilliant boxer and I said it on Max I've still got his belt in my office actually and he's working back with his brother he's off to drugs he's training I know he's doing alright good on him What's the biggest debt you've ever collected?

1:56:51The biggest... The one I got my villa out of in Portugal. Look, I have my house. I have a little caravan and I have a villa in Portugal. I've had three years. That was for...

1:57:09425, I think it was. 425. And I got... It was 425, I got 180. I got just on the 200 grand back. And I never took the money off the guy. I took 10 grand off of my front, and he was getting on a bit. And he went, Sean, I can't. They owed me like 60-odd grand plus me 10 grand up front. And we've got a lovely fella. It's way up in the mountains in Portugal. people know what it is he said Sean I need this money there's only him in his bed they're fucking dead nice I went what are you going to do with the villa he went I'll give you my half what's it worth I went go on said well I snuff it the villa's yours if he snuffs it I have his hair if she snuffs it I buy his hair seeing the Vice documentary what was the story did you get Petro in that put over you?

1:58:15Kidnapped? Yes. What was that story Sean? I'm glad you brought that up actually. So we had a load of trouble and I've gone cut for some kid and done him. Just to give him a leg. I haven't done him. I've done his brother. So the kid's been shot in the leg. It's not the right kid. It's the brother. You're getting at you. You're getting at you. So I'm working out of time. I've gone to check on the door. Comes out. But old men, if you see a damsel in distress or a bird crying, any decent man, they go, you all right, girl? What's up? You all right? So I never used to park my door by any venues where I went.

1:59:00Never always had them up the street or I'd have a van or... Anyway, I'm in a... I had a red 4-tanny van then. Can I just move one of my houses? So, where I parked here, these people that must have been watching me and seeing me, fucking admit it's a red tanny van. There's not fucking many of them. I don't have two or three in the morning. It's even out of town. Anyway, I parked it down the street. And in the street, there's a doorway, but goes in a couple of feet. So I've got to walk past down there, despair, crying. No, no, I'm all right. You all right, girl? And that was open. The makeup was just...

1:59:42I don't know, just look. She looks like she's been crying. When's she got her finger? I don't fucking know. She looks a mess and went, girl, what's up here? No, he's coming, he's coming. I went, no one's coming. What's up here? You all right? Yeah. I just started to turn. and woke up in a container just to steal a container. And it's weird, because we're not going to tell this story years ago. I'm hearing little stories now of people saying, oh, we got thrown in a container. No, you fucking didn't. I was probably the first one to say it now. I've heard those little stories people saying, you get put in containers.

2:00:18No, you probably didn't, mate. This is a true story, and that's on me fucking nans' cross. Anyway, wakes up in this container. Being this over the edge, I've had a bit of gas put on me, like gas, and I could just hear... And the ram in this container. And it was a Volvo Square 240 on a Y-Reds. I think it was a Y-Reds. It was a Volvo. And... Sad. I can hear... It makes insane. What the fuck is going on here? You're fucking dead. And the shooting at the container must have been a shotty. Because they weren't really coming through. Just seeing little holes. So, whoa, what the fuck? So one container door, the container door opens out.

2:01:18One stays and one opens out. So don't know, you fuck. Containers, no lights in the fucking tent, mate. It's pitch black. It's fucking now three o 'clock or quarter tilly in the morning. You're fucking dead, you cunt. But they weren't shooting me. They could have shot me anyway. They're hitting up. Wanna go out and wanna drink a shake. I don't know whether they were in a rick, I'm just hearing the noise. Wah, wah, what the fuck? You're fucking dead, you prick, you're fucking dead. The next minute, they've opened it. Poor, I'm going, lads, come on, what the, who is it? You know who it is, you twat.

2:01:49We told, we told you we'd have you. Poor Pettit and Litty, well, in a container, if anyone knows, like, a container goes on fire. It fucking doesn't make the line. It's that solid fucking whatever waltz, like, no sunwatch you can put on it and it'll just burn it easy. It was sort of like oak or whatever the floor. People who make containers will know I'm not lying. It's that where it'll just, like, simmer a bit and go black. But it's fucking full of smoke. So they've lit this bit of a fire, bit of petrol. Burn your squat. So I'm coughing, I'm like... So, just get on the floor. I'm running in that corner.

2:02:28As soon as he heard the door going, I'm running in that corner, just shooting back and just... And... Watch your hold. You're just a nicking taint. There's nothing in it. I'm like, if that's the corner, it's getting wrecked. You're fucking dead. They fired. I think they fired in it twice. It might have been once and I've heard two shots. I don't know. I couldn't give all the exact details. And I thought, I'm going to fucking die here. You're dead, lad. you're going. You're going. You are gone. You hear the fuck you think you are in that town. Blah, blah, blah. This, that, that. So they put the pets in and it's like simmering.

2:03:06And they don't even want to try and pull it out because they don't want to go near the door. So I thought, fuck this. I lay on the floor and there's a fucking big ran come and a big shotgun off. And I shoot myself. I never shoot myself. I piss myself. I literally pissed myself on the floor. I thought, look, this is it. I'm going. I'm going. I can't get out that door. They're going to open that now and go, you know, we've fucked your heads up and be like, poof, you're gone now. I thought, I'm going. I'm going. I thought, oh, no. And I pissed. And then I thought, you know, what's he say when you have?

2:03:44A revelation or what's that word he say? And I went, I ain't fucking going like this on the floor. I'm dying, I'm fucking dying screaming. So I get by the container door, the one that's down, no one that'll open, I can pop round it. So it felt like ages, James. I don't know. It went dead quiet, and I mean quiet, mate. Quiet, quiet. Couldn't hear nothing, didn't hear. No cars pulling off. Fuck all, didn't it? No one going, we'll be back. So I'm standing there, pissed, black. I can hear the door. It has ears, the door. Hey, what's going on here? Fuck off. Hey, yeah. Whoa, whoa. Ferris Field. Nothing to do with it.

2:04:36Here's an Al. I think it was a wide-edge Volvo. And a Saab. There was two cars. Wait, wait, wait. Phone, phone, phone. I've got my phone. I've got my keys. My fucking lip is out here, my nose out here, my heart. I've had a kicking, my butt. I've had a kicking. I've had shots gone in. I'm fucking full of piss. Phone, phone, phone! But I only know my office number. Because I don't know my bird's number. You probably don't. Everyone just goes, we are robots. Mobile, you see your bit of name, you don't remember the number, do you? But in fucking jail you do, don't you? When they give you all them numbers in jail.

2:05:18If you haven't got a mobile, you can go on that jail phone and you remember every fucker's number you want to speak to. But I only ever rang me bears. I only ever rang a man that I... Anyway, I met this fellow, whoa, hey, Paul, what's going on here? I went, what you... Whoa, I'll ring police. I went, fucking ring the police. Give me your phone, give me your phone. He gave me his phone, rang the officer. The officer's diverted to me mates. I've rang me mates at the time. All right, what's up? I went, where are you, where are you? He went, well, calm down, mate, fucking hell. Where are you? You should be well, mate.

2:05:49Where am I? And he's gone, no, mate. Mate, where the fuck am I? Postcode, where am I? It's not really, but I went, just tell me where I am. He's like, come and get me now. He's like, what are you doing there, mate? Got a beard or something. I went, come and fucking get me now. And he's turned up and seen me. And after I'd done this kid, the brother said to me, I'll get you. I said, lad, lad, look, listen. it's me and you you was cutting for me I was cutting for you your brothers ended up cutting for you in the leg I said look it is what I did mate I said look I can't see him sorry it's happened fuck yeah it's gone he went alright alright keep it like that see you soon so six seven months ago I think fucking regardless his ass is gone or whatever fucking never mate come and cut for me so he gave me six months I gave him near two years and I'm going to cover him and the idea he's having trouble with someone so I'm going to cover him so what about see that have you ever have you ever been have you ever collected debt for any celebrities or has any celebrities ever got you to collect debts how does it work I'll tell you that what works James celebrities let me tell you about celebrities two One I can't name for legal reasons, but it will all be out to.

2:07:14Oh, well, I can't name. One's a male, one's a female. The male is being in, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. Very well known, really well known. I had some out with a big problem back in 2016. So his son was getting terrorised. Yeah, I don't know him. I don't know this guy. A friend of mine in Manchester knows him. Sean can help him out. What is he? He's having a problem with this firm. I know the firm. So we rang him up, not giving it to big bollocks. I went, last fucking hell, you's on him. Yeah, his son owes his money. His son is a fucking raven cokehead. The other son is famous. One's famous for doing something.

2:08:05One's famous for snorting fucking cocaine. Anyway, I ringed this guy. He went, he asked for me, this guy asked for me. Can you saw this? Well, I know them. What's going on? Oh, me son's gone into a bit of body. He's borrowed a bit of money. Send us the paperwork over, let me have a look. No, send me the paperwork. This firm had been down to his house and frightened his wife. they weren't arsed over the police that's why it's happening so we sit down with these lads I knew them and we'd fell out years ago but now we talk I said oh sure I said come on mate have a deal so they they wanted 85 grand off him so I got a down to 35 and my deal was I said to this guy whatever I save you you pay me half sure that's great that's got to go this is all happening two days before boxing day so I met them on boxing day between the Boxing Day on New Year's Eve, I'm meeting them, we're having deals.

2:09:03I'm good enough, he went, fuck it, we'll have the deal. They'd already had the underground back. This was compound incest. So, they have a deal. This guy paid them the 35 grand, and the lad said to me, Sean, do you want five quid? I went, no, no, no, he's paying me. Don't worry about it, he's paying me. Did the fuck, mate? That was 2016. So it goes to them. Everyone knows them. The fucking nation. the nation loving mate so goes come on mate it's been two or three months now I want you to go to Dubai I want you to go to France I went look I know that it's all well and good but what about this money well my son's going to pay that I went well hang on come on he went no my son will pay it so he said my son's had off me four million pounds in the last three years on investments I'm pissed it up and caught it up But he's doing all right now, surely, Pia.

2:09:59I rings the son. What does he give me? 17 hundred fucking quid, mate. I mean, you taking a piss. So I drove down to where he lives, in this beautiful sunny place, meets the son. You owe his money. Yeah, I know. I haven't got it. You're earning money off that. That buy you got there. Look, look, I need my money. It's been three months now. Your fucking poor man was terrified. He was on the phone to me. your dad's a fucking big celebrity come on what the fuck's going on mate he gave me another two grand so he had 3 ,700 quid out of 25 we're now up to 224 and the bill is 38 ,000 something and I knew I was coming on here today James because of last week I sent him an email saying I'm going on a podcast people want to know who it is I'd rather not give you a name I'd love to give you a name on this podcast and say he is a great fella and his son had problems and he paid me what was old but I can't even see that in the email I just put I'm getting pressured I've got a new book coming out I've got my show on the 24th this month when's that coming out can you show me the emails as well can you show me that stuff I've got the emails here okay I'll show you the payment people will ask me and I'll just say it's 100 % I will show you all the emails you will see the emails and the last letter I sent to him saying, Mr Blah Blah and your son, I'd done you a service in 2016.

2:11:30You agreed to pay me X amount of money. You only give me that. You've already put a cease and desist on me to sue me. But now, I've had enough, mate. You're a multi-fucking millionaire and 38 grand to you is nothing. He probably goes out on a Sunday dinner, takes all his family out and if you stay up in the night that'll probably cost him 15 grand he owes me 38 and he's got it and he basically fuck off he's done a job if like I'm just a little nobody if I'm a little scary from Liverpool well I'm not a fucking a little dibby scar I want me fucking money and I know it's been since 2016 but I want me money Are you going to expose him in your book?

2:12:13Yes Does he know this? Yes what the term I said is I couldn't say I will expose you because that's blackmail. So all the pun of that... How do you go about that, Sean, without crossing the line of you? Without crossing the line, here's how you do it. So I've basically said to him, this Monday gone, it's now... Saturday. Saturday. So Monday gone, sent an email from the office. I have a slither working for me, saying, hi, Mr. Blah Blah, our client, Sean Smith, is on a podcast on Saturday, whatever it is, and he's also got a new boot coming up next year. He'd get impressed off his agent to name you and your son.

2:12:56Sean doesn't want to name anyone. You know you had a bill outstanding up to this date of£30 ,000. Sean would like to go on this podcast and mention you and your son in a good way and say your dad fell out and you've honoured all your debt, you've honoured your word and your paid and you are good stand-up people. That's not actually for the money. I've said how much he owed me I said I'd like to come on and mention them so I thought I'd get an email before I did they didn't ever so now fuck them so the reason why I'm doing this this'll get out I hope you can hear this bit let one of the papers come to me I'll show you the emails when you go so you can say it is true let one of the dealers come to me and buy it off me I'll get money that way fuck them if anyone wants to sue me sue me what's the worst thing about being a debt collector getting laid with a bully look everyone has just tingly oh you're a dick let's go around people's houses I don't take your car mate I don't take your couch and your fridge I'm doing genuine debts I'm trying to I won't take nothing if it's word to word I've got another paper thread Who was the guy in the documentary did somebody know all money but he got his fucking ass ripped right out of him and there was photos of him just to say look if you don't pay we're giving you these photos what was that?

2:14:14If fella gets thrown over a table he gets raped he takes photos of him this guy could have a go this guy could have a fight this guy would do that to you if he was over money these guys have gone on a debt I've been in the area he hasn't paid they've done him in they've done him over the table they've flora or butter put it on him put it on his own fingers done him took pictures he got the money three days later but it's the old Polaroids that you take six months after the poor cunt hung himself so yeah they got the money and yeah people laughed about it yeah he paid he paid but years ago it was a polarise I know you can have a film on it they give him one and said they had another one and he paid he was supposed to give that pity back and he never so the sad thing about it Plans for the future Sean you've lived a mad fucking life but you're looking better you're actually looking better than you were on a documentary seven, eight years ago whenever it was like you're looking good is that because I'm paying for you a fucking dinner?

2:15:26possibly possibly but what's the place for a future? where do you go? I want one more celeb celeb people say a wolf in sheep's clothes

2:15:42this one who's a beard she is a I can't the Wicked Witch of the West Dracula's eldest daughter I don't know her beard in Sheep's clothing this fucking woman is very well known celeb I won't even go see where from because everyone will know her she's on this she's on TV and you know what yes she's a bit of It's got to be taken care of. Yes, because I'm going to fuck this cunt up as well. Because her fella come to see me, this is how people see this girl as being dead nice. Her fella come to see me, he just had a baby to her. And she had kids with another fella. And she didn't want the ex-husband coming round and taking the kids away from the new baby.

2:16:37She just didn't like it. So she offered me 10 grand to break his legs. So, her fellas meet me and I went, no mate, come on, for fuck's sake. She's a fucking celeb, she's famous, everyone knows even. I know you, but she's coming around, picking the kids up and they're kicking off. It's upsetting the kids and we've got this new baby on the old week. I went, hang on, do you want to do it? Or does she want to do it? She wants to do it. I went, well I need to hear it off her. Yeah, but she's not going to speak to you. She can't, you know, she's a celeb and all that. Well I'm not fucking doing it. I said, because, I said, okay.

2:17:13What if I do the job and get him done here? Break his legs, give him a bit of an iron. I'll get that done all day. No, I want you to do it. I know you'll do it. Right? I went, mate, 10 grand's not enough for me. I wouldn't do no one in for 10 grand. Them days are gone. Well, this is, I'm 57 now, so this was, I don't know, 50, 53 or something. 54, 54. I went, 10 grand, 5 grand up front, 5 grand when it's done. I've got the kids, I'm ready to go. But I need to hear her off here. Because what? If he gets done in, then you and her are pissed up. You tell her you got it done, she gets you nicked and gets me nicked.

2:17:52So I need to hear her off here. But she won't speak, I went. I'll ring her on your phone. So we went and met in a well-known place where I live. I said, there's your phones. Put our phones over there. I knew the manager in his place. I said make sure I'm on the video. I've kept a little phone on my ear. Because what if they set me up? This girl's quite fucking famous. Well, she is famous isn't she? She's famous. I go, you fucking bitch. I thought, it's a job. And these kids will do it. So I would get her, get her on the phone. He went, I'll get her on this one. I bought a bear in it. Whatever you call it mate, fucking ringer.

2:18:35So he's in and I'm going, hi girl, hi. I said, are you? You're all right? I went, yeah. Do you want this job doing? She went, yeah, it's coming Wednesday. I said, OK. So Monday morning, you give me five grand. Wednesday, the girl is kicking. Give her a couple of weeks after that, you give me the other five, I'll pay the kids for the job. Yeah, she went, oh, that's great. I went, but who am I speaking to? She asked me, he went, well, who's me? I said, look, I'm not being funny. Your fellow's sitting next to me. You could be the fucking girl I've just seen going in the toilets over here. You could be anyone.

2:19:10She went, oh, Sean, you know it's me. I went, yeah, but how do I know it too? She went, you know it's me because I was in. I went, yeah, all right, all right, girl, all right. She had no one, it's me. I'm telling anyone, all right, girl, all right, all right. Now I'm not speaking on, we're speaking on speaker. Could he put them with the tubers and over the chair like that? And I've got my little phone here. And I recorded it. He died. And I see that twat on telly there every other day, mate, playing the victim. And it fucking griggs me, mate. It proper griggs me. I think, you know what? People don't know you.

2:19:53You're crying. It fucking boils me blood. You're crying, you're this, you're that. Your fella died a couple of years ago. You've moved on, you got mu... You fucking horrible. You wanted your ex-fella doing breaking his legs. and look here, playing the victim. I hate phony people, mate. I just hate her. So I thought, you know what? Fuck you. I want people to know the truth about you. It's not grassing. You're a fucking phony and people look up to her. Kids look up to her. My daughter knows who this girl is and I've gone, no, baby. She don't got it. She don't got it. I don't want other kids thinking, oh, we see this.

2:20:33I want them to see the real fucking sign whether that's a woman's the woman's scone I've heard of a woman's scone you're back kicking off and you're not asking but that's getting you fucking done it mate so we can't see his kids I said what if it doesn't work just do it again so people used to pay you as well to weigh people in wasn't just a case of collecting debts mate listen what's the worst thing anybody's ever says to do or try to get you to people will say loads of people pay people to give someone a smack or someone a crack I had a business fellow come in my office one day mate, gospel truth he had a big fucking IT company me and the half fellas that works me sitting in the office, my office is Mandel tell you this I'm sitting in my office, this fellow is high I can speak to Sean, they're nice about 54 there's a funny side of this, about 54 yeah I need to come and see him, I've got a couple of problems money is all documented.

2:21:32Yeah, everything's documented. So we come in with a suit, little briefcase. IT fella loaded. Sean, what it is? He said, hey, the wife. I said, OK, he went to here. I've got a load of carpet fitted in me house. I said, what's your company? She knows the story. What's your company called? So I went, look, I know who the fuck you are, mate. So while I'm speaking to you, him over here is going to check on your arm. you are so me mate in the office to check him out yeah yeah where do you live is your house check the house his house is like 690 grand that's okay what is it well what happens sean he said here i'm having a refurb on the house uh we're having carpets all upstairs all stairs land but all the by the wet room, fucking wearing it.

2:22:25It was just nice. He said, me wife started up on the carpet, fell back in there every other week, saying there's something up with the carpet, needs fixing. I went, what do you mean? I said, come on mate, your carpet's fitted, it's fitted. You might, the carpet's short, some cuts, he went, she just said he was out of problems. I found out, Sean, she's having sexual intercourse with this guy. And I went, you knob in your beard, he went, you fucking shaft in it, Sean. Shaft in it. So I'm like, all right, so who's the guy? He said, well, I don't know. But I've got his van and it's only got his number on it.

2:23:04Do you know where he lives? No. He said, look, I'm really trying to save me marriage. She'll want me gone. I don't want to go. Our kids have only just gone to uni. And I don't want it to be kids, you know, mum and dad splitting up and all that. I don't care what it costs it to Angle, mate. It's not about money. I need to know where you want to go with this. Look, if you want to get him warned off, then you can get him. Get him warned off's not a problem. I can send a message. No, I want him thumping. So he's just, I don't know, my guy. Not like I want him. So you just, you want him thumping. I went, give me the number.

2:23:42Give me the guy's name. Leave a grant. Send me a grant over. Let me do my little investigations and I'll get back to you. do you want me to hand with you I said no I said come and see me in a week so say you should come on a Tuesday James you should come on the following Tuesday I find out who this fella is I've gone up and seen his business Bumpf he's a screw they're shagging his wife from Risley I only know his face I don't know his name I thought that's fucking Mr Blah Blah fucking hell it is and he's shagging this fella's wife so I'm like fucking this kid so anyway he comes back and he's like he's just changed his demeanour right Sean I've had enough and er I beat it I said look just no I went just look let me tell you what I know the fellow who's back Sean I don't the fellow who's meeting your beard he never go out he's always in the house and he's always fixing the carpet he was there Sean through the week no three hours I said, well, just think what he's been doing to your bear mate.

2:24:51He went, that's it, that's it. He went, want it gone. I said, look, I don't know, but I know he is. He's a screw. He was a screw. He's not now. I think he's just a strong word and just give him a little strangle so he goes purple in the face or something. That'll do him and I'll fuck him off. No, she loves him. She told me she loves him. And we're getting divorced. And she wants half the house and half of me business. I want it gone. I said, mate, I'm not throwing your bear down on the house. He went, no, I want a gun, Sean. So I was, hang on, mate, hang on, hang on. I know I've done it before, stand up.

2:25:25What, Sean? I went, fucking stand up. Have you got a fucking big gun? I'd say it to me. I went, where are you getting this gun from? He went, you can do it. I want a trun, and she's laughing. I want a trun in the back of her boots. I don't care what you do to her. if you want to if you want to do whatever you want to assure what he's been doing and bury the bastards I said listen mate have you been watching fucking casino or gangster and where they bury what's that one where they bury him in the end casino casino I said mate you're reading too many books I'm watching too much of events I want a girl and he's banging on me table I don't care I'm not arsed over the house at my house and me kids going to fuck me kids I'm not asked about my money for my business well I am but I've still got a couple of million fuck my kit set up I said, Jordan you can do it I went, no I can't do it mate I won't do it, what do you know anyone who will take the job on I went, no mate you're not going to get no one to go and get your beard and basically Andrew went I want to hear fucking dead dead face down in the dead mate look, you need to fucking go mate Were you ever surprised at how far people would go you think some fucking frail old man just willing to put a hat around his missus not really like he's watching Goodfellas too much He did books watch Goodfellas but a gangster movie probably seen and documented by me come and see me and now his wife said no I love him I love him I don't want to be with you but he did look you know what he looked like Brigsby of Rising Damp and I thought you know what mate I don't know what your wife looks like but if I was a woman I wouldn't fucking go.

2:27:12I'm saying that to myself. Fuck, I can probably understand, you know what I mean? I've had that. I had another fella, just quickly, because I know we're going. I had another guy ringing up. Yeah, that's what's the way I was calling. I know. I had a guy, an airline pilot.

2:27:30Indian guy. Airline pilot, beamed the top, load of money, found out where they lived. He said, John, why don't you go fuck him, the ass? I said, I'll take him. Never mind. Yeah, he met with the airport. Yeah, when I met him at the airport, he's a pilot, pilot, fella. I've got loads of Indian friends, Muslim friends. So he went, come meet me, cos he had a... You know, when you swap your flight, it's a... You land and you go fly somewhere else. I forget what they call it. Forget the f***ing way, I'm thick. So he went, Sean, I've got like a two-hour window coming. He said, when I met him at the airport, I'm sitting there with this airline pilot.

2:28:06He said, Sean, I want you to f*** him up the arse. I went, mate, if I can fuck him, if I can get your money, he went, no, sure. I want you to fuck him up to Jacksie. I went, what? And he's a, look, I know there's just no one bit. He's a pirate. You've got 500 people you've got to go and look after. I went, hang on, let me, let me, I pay, look, I pay you. Fuck the money. I want to fuck right up the arse, right up to Jacksie. Because he will be banished. I will tell everyone who's been fucked up to Jaxie and no one will want to bury them I went mate you got the wrong fella but I know you'll do it for money I went you know what mate you can't put a price on everything you're talking to the wrong person but can you get me someone so what I'm thinking now James I've met you do you want a zumba?

2:28:58fucking geezer obviously you've met some characters and had some requests over the years where do you go forward for the future Seanny boy? Er, now I want to be in Portugal in two years. As I say, we've got a show in 24, it's got the boot coming out. I'll see what comes back off that, them two celebrities. My daughter goes into high school this year. I want to get her over before she's stayed here to Portugal. I'll be in the villa. We've got a little business, my friend's got a business over there, a cleaning business. One of the managers now is doing well. And I'll do a bit of scotty work over there.

2:29:34person's got it what do you think looking back on your life mate don't get me wrong I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't change anything I wouldn't like to change all the trouble I had because it weren't my shit mate it weren't my shit but well I stood up for what I believed in I've had loads of fights in time I've had stables with people a lot of door firms I don't think there's any door in there that'll give me a bad name I've never been a bully and I've had I've had an interesting life but mentally you can fuck your head up since I've come off my medication and it took me 18 people say come off your medicine you can't mate you can't mate I can tell you lots of stories but you haven't got time get off your medication and it's not about hitting the gym go for a walk go and have a swim buy a dog go and speak to a friend let it out look at me I've never taught a girl a bit choked or I'd tell people it's nothing to be embarrassed about look at Tyson Fury shot one out of the week melt and help behave yourself grow up here watch us the tablet do it's like that curtain there you take the tablet the pulls it over for a few hours you'll have a sleep you wake up your problems are there get into the tablet be a bit more focused how important is training and exercise for mental health I've got to train every day mate but look some people can't say go for a walk every day go on a bike I have got to get up every day and say every morning then Tuesday night, Thursday night Saturday morning I have a class Sunday I have a four I'll do a class Sunday and I've sat the off I've got to say otherwise you can't put up with me For anybody watching Sean it's in the struggle now with mental health you've clearly spoke about it for many years now you seem to have come through rather render it you are looking fucking brilliant by the way but anybody that's in that struggle they know that fucking deep struggle they don't think there's an out thinking about taking their own life you've been there what advice would you have for them?

2:31:38Just believe in yourself get off the medication try and get off the medication and believe in yourself there's always people around you like people say they're on their own it's like people being suicidal all you do is passing all that grief onto someone else go and have a I don't mean I was in the jail I mean Samaritan's card go and have a good long conversation with yourself in the mirror. Honest. It sounds stupid. Go and get a chair, put a mirror there, look at yourself and speak to yourself and think, what are you doing? Don't really want to look at me but you're done shaving, you're dirty, you're having nets, you haven't slept, you haven't trained, you haven't swam, you haven't walked the dog, you haven't played with the kids.

2:32:21Just be honest with yourself. And if you can't, tell one of your mates because someone will help you. It happened to me. I only found that with her. if I wouldn't have had her mate that wouldn't be it and that's the gospel truth how important is it to have a good woman it doesn't leave your sight when you're fucking an absolute loose cannon I don't want an head going any fucking bigger look they say behind every man is a good woman and I'm not kissing the ass I do think and we're back streaming on Peacock may I present to you the award winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller slap me let's draw something loose aye yes I like that the certified fresh series returns your boss Is he always like this or is this just an act?

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