Britain’s UFO Secrets: Are Aliens Living Among Us - Investigator Nigel Watson Tells All

40:37And I think, in a way, that was my go, to collect the information and present it to people and they can kind of use it for good or bad, you know, from their own point of view. And I think one goal of a book is to show that these people, like if you have had experiences like this, you're not alone. Because quite a few of the people I spoke to say, oh, you must think I'm crazy or mad, you know. but I wouldn't tell them about other cases I'd investigate but I just said that these sort of things are fairly, well they're not common but they are common in the kind of UFO circles and I think something that did emerge was that people who had UFO sightings if you asked them they did have a lot of other weird experiences and things In the past, a lot of ufologists never really asked that question.

41:44But if you asked it, you usually found that they had a string of other experiences that they'd never really thought about in connection with ufos. Or in a lot of cases, you find, including Yeri Geller, whether you believe in him or not, is in childhood people see balls of light playing in their bedroom or outside their bedroom window. And that seems to be a common thread that people seem to be almost tracked by UFOs and weird stuff. I suppose from a sceptical point of view, you might just think, well, they're looking at these things through the kind of UFO goggle tunnel vision. So, you know, you would accumulate that.

42:34And whereas, you know, other people would say, you know, aliens or some intelligence is behind there. And some believe that they are actually tracking out whole families from over generations. I think there's a Spielberg TV series called Taken which has generations living from the 1940s up to the 90s whenever the programme was made so there was this thing about our aliens tracking certain individuals and some people do feel like they're chosen because they've got Romany blood or genetics And I think only recently there's been a kind of scientific report by someone who's analysed the DNA of people who claim to have been abducted.

43:35and they seem to have a sequence of DNA that you can't equate from a terrestrial source that it's of alien DNA that's been mixed with her own DNA. But I think it's early days in that research, but it's been interesting to see if people could get to the bottom of that. It might be just how the tests have been carried out. The fact that people have identified themselves as abductees and haven't been investigated as such. So I suppose it's like with anything you investigate, you find things that corroborate the story and then you find things that don't. It's like the old Jack the Ripper thing. Somebody comes up with a theory and you think, oh, that's brilliant, that seems to fit all the facts.

44:36Then somebody comes with another Jack the Ripper theory, or same with Loch Ness Monster. You know, it was more theories. And with UFOs, it's even worse because it's a worldwide phenomenon. So you could, you know, that's why I sort of went to investigate these people, because we tend to think of it as an American thing, even with the abduction cases that come from, you know, Betty and Barney Hill, and later on there's people like Travis Woten and different people. Whitley Stryber, who wrote Communion, is a famous abductee. But it's all sort of American-centric. Even our Rendlesham Forest incident in December 1980, it was lights on a UFO landing, seen by American military personnel.

45:36So even the most famous case in Britain is in those American people. people so see these people who have got the sightings and seeing aliens and three feet aliens do they have any footage do they have any videos or photos do you ask that straight away no I think most of the later cases are more like people have had dreams and nightmares of things that have happened quite randomly so it would be difficult to pin it down to find that sort of evidence but there have been stories where say somebody said they've been taken away in a spaceship but their partner said they were sleeping all the time and so it might be just these are really vivid dreams and there's even stories of abductees being floated through solid walls and windows, which doesn't seem physically feasible.

46:49And I've only known of one instance of any researcher trying to video abductees at night, you know, leaving a video camera on them. And whenever this has happened, the cameras are either broken or the person's gone out of a room, you know. So it's a bit like hunting ghosts. They always seem to disappear from real cameras. They might turn up on an infrared camera. And I think that's why everything's quite elusive. And I think that's why people in my book,

47:34they have all sorts of strange experiences. and the ones in later years even have kind of, you know, abduction-like experiences. Paula Green in particular, she experienced missing time when she was 12 years old. I think she'd seen this weird sort of propeller-like structure with lights on it when she was walking near some woods in Bradford with a friend of hers. and it really scared them because it kind of projected a beam of blue light on them and when that happened they ran away home and she said that when she got home everyone was looking for her because it was like midnight and she thought it was only like 10 o 'clock or something and so she experienced missing time and later on in life she's had these strange abduction experiences experiences, but she doesn't like to cover madductions.

48:37She just finds herself in a strange place, you know, there isn't any flying sorcerer being beamed up or anything. And she found herself in a kind of molded room with a screen, and where she was showing images of the Earth as paradise and then turning into hell, basically. And so she had a kind of message, a bit like the earlier case I mentioned, you know, there's good and bad forces. And often cases like that are very much like the contactee cases or abduction cases, where it seems quite common for people who have been abducted to not only be examined, but also to have a viewing of a screen of some type that projects all sorts of good things and bad things, or perhaps even other planets and things.

49:40So I think the later cases that go into the 80s are more likely to have alien greys and these kind of abduction-like experiences. But one thing I never did was do hypnotic regression because there was one famous British investigator called Tony Dodd, who was an ex-policeman. And when he got hold of any UFO witness, if he thought they'd had an abduction experience, he had a sort of local hypnotist take them back in time and invariably the story came out that they were found on a slob and being examined in a bit like Betty and Barney Hill there seems to be that theme as well of people finding themselves on a table in a round room with lighting that doesn't come from any particular source and that, you know, they're often sort of prodded and it became quite common even in the mainstream that people say they've had implants up their nose or anywhere really, mainly their feet and sometimes in their arm.

51:04And invariably it's very difficult to get any information on these implants because they either disappear over time or the x-rays don't come out or things like that. They're as lucive as photographs, really, of flying saucers in the sky. And, yeah, so really, you know, it's hard pinning down, you know, the evidence of these things. You know, people have tried to find evidence of implants, but when we have taken out an implant, they tend to be more like cellular matter. You know, we don't seem to be of any type of technology, but people have still, you know, speculated that we use them to, you know, aliens to track people or to have telepathic communication with people, that sort of thing.

52:03but it's one of those things it doesn't seem so common now but it's something people do believe happens and so there's a variety of experiences people have How many sightings have there been Nigel in the UK? In the UK I'd probably say there's probably a couple of thousand a year but you know a lot of them A year? Yeah Yeah, sometimes it might be just a few hundred, it depends, because the Ministry of Defence did use to keep its figures, but they kind of stopped doing any public UFO research or maintaining a UFO desk in about 2009, so I don't think they're bothered with the figures anymore. I think there is a group somewhere in Northern England that does do a kind of annual survey, so it can run into hundreds, but they can often be just lights in the sky and that sort of thing.

53:16So you only end up with like 2 % of, say, somebody's seeing an alien or something like that. It's sort of interested in the UK, say, UFO landing reports, close encounters of a third kind where people say they've seen a landed craft and perhaps also entities nearby. they were quite prevalent in the sort of 60s, 70s, 80s I think even in the 90s and then in the 2000s have kind of tailed off a lot I think the only recent one I've heard about was about 10 years ago in Exmouth in Devon and a man walking his dog said he saw this craft but they're quite rare cases but we've got even rarer And it's the same with abduction cases.

54:10You don't seem to hear so much about them in the 90s. I think there's this influence of the millennium coming and the X-Files TV programme made the subject really popular. So I think the combination of that and abduction research was going full pelt at that time. How many abductions per year? it's hard to put a figure on that like I said it's probably a smart I think a lot of it is mental health but it must be sad imagine you actually seen a flying saucer or think you've been abducted because a lot of people in the mental institute as well some of them might actually be telling the truth that their hearing voices are seeing people but yet they get locked away it must be terrifying for people to genuinely believe because there must be people who genuinely believe maybe it was mistaken identity but they've maybe seen someone who looked alien-like and they've genuinely thought it was an alien or some sort of craft, and then no one would believe them.

55:10Do you believe everybody when they tell you to a certain degree until maybe you find out who they are and their background? Yeah, I do believe of Advis experiences. I think in terms of the code light of scientific physics and things, It's really hard to pin it down, basically like an alien abduction. It's physically impossible, really. And that's why a lot of people would say it's impossible because how can these craft beam people through solid walls and beam them up into ships and not have... There's only a rare case or two where people have seen people being it beamed into a craft but often they can be a bit dodgy i don't think they're very reliable witnesses anyway that's beside the point i think it's the fact that alien abductions um can i think probably not as rare as we might think because we did a survey where we seem to suggest that up to like one or two million people in america might have been abducted but it meant it was more based on a survey of whether you'd had certain experiences whether you'd had you know like nosebleeds or chronic headaches and a lot of other things but which yeah a lot of people probably have so I don't think the survey was um as well put together really but even if you put put it down to say just a thousand people that's an incredible amount of people to have these experiences.

56:58And I think another thing is that, you know, we might say, oh, it's sleep paralysis or imagination or, you know, all these different other factors. But when you could ask for one... And the dark all answer, you know, and people try to use these as labels, really, to answer it. And it's as lazy as saying, you know, they've been abducted by aliens. I think each case needs to be looked at on its own merits, really. And, you know, like I say, it's easy for people to say that if they've been hearing voices and been in contact with aliens, perhaps the crazy need to be locked up but that's not really a good answer to it anyway because most people might be like those sort of experiences are just as credible as people anyone yeah what about when they say they get abducted what sort of things are the aliens doing to them yeah Well, Whitley Stryber famously said he was probed by an anal probe and said it was very uncomfortable.

58:16But I think it's about the only one who's reported that. Most people, they kind of stick needles in them. And like Betty Hill, she said they put a needle in her navel and it was a kind of pregnancy test. and they seem to be interested in the sexuality of humans and their genitals, really. And another thing is they tend to run scanning devices over people and it can be quite frightening and cold and often people find themselves naked in these rooms as well so they feel very vulnerable. and also they tend to be the kind of doctor aliens or kind of humanoids and then they might be greys or other weird characters you know, with the main humanoid and he seems to be like the man in charge.

59:21Some of these abduction researchers in the sort of 80s and 90s were saying there was like hundreds of cases and things But I think we only actually investigated a handful of cases in any detail because one person can't deal with all that material. So I think even if you have a group of people investigating this, it's quite a big workload. And in America, we've probably got more resources to do this sort of thing. But in Britain, there's been a few groups and attempts at investigating this. but nothing really fruitful has come up. I think it's one of these things that's ongoing. And the latest thing about U-apps and things like that, it has revived the subject because it was dying off in the early 2000s.

1:00:17So I think that's kind of a good thing, really, because the subject's coming up for debate and there's lots of discussion about non-human intelligences and things like that. But I think my viewpoint is to take each case as we are, like I've done in my book, because people then mash it all together and extract what they want to extract and then say, oh, it's some big, you know, alien or non-human intelligence scheme. It's a, you know, it all makes a pattern. but the person making the pattern is the investigator rather than the actual people themselves. So I think a lot of UFO ideas are built on a base of sand, really.

1:01:08And a lot of it's like, you know, friend of a friend stories or like these American whistleblowers that come to Congress and say, oh yeah, I've got evidence that we've got, you know, retrieve craft and reverse engineered engineering projects and biological material but it's always like i've heard it from other people and because of my security clearance i'm not allowed to tell you so you go around in circles with that kind of argument and all that happens is it's almost like clickbait you know people are saying oh yeah when i was in the navy or something i i saw something like that, or there's a recent video of a Hellcat missile firing at a UAP, but it seems to be that it's fired at a balloon with four drones attached to it, but a lot of the data regarding the video hasn't been put forward, so it's a kind of clip without any other further information and that's a kind of red flag really if anyone shows a photograph without any information about the photographer or where it was taken i think you know you can't really take it as given and i suppose another thing is with that hellfire rocket um footage it does look um looks like it yeah really is a rocket and it's hitting something but you know what it is We can't explain because we don't know the full context of it.

1:02:52But I think with AI, the situation's getting even worse because people can generate all kinds of images now. So even if you've got a... I think we've got this dilemma. If it's a really pristine picture of an alien spaceship, you think, oh, it's fake. But if it's fuzzy, you think, oh, well, it could be anything. so there's no pleasing if there was UFOs here and there was aliens here why wouldn't they just reveal themselves why hide I don't get it I wouldn't understand it but why all these years they're here with this technology that's beyond us why would they not be here to help and showcase and to try and make the world a better place and stop wars like if they've got this amazing technology they can fly through space why would they not reveal themselves?

1:03:47Why is everything hiding? Yeah, it's a good point because several other people I spoke to said they'd have these images of, you know, catastrophe and the aliens are warning us, which goes back to the 50s with the contactees, where we were full of peace and love and we've got to save a planet and all this sort of thing. It sounded a bit like communism to some CIA and FBI. Anyway, the thing is, so why do the aliens tell us things like that without really helping us? You know, it's like saying you've got a broken leg, but what about giving me? Why don't you try and fix it with a plaster cast or something?

1:04:33And I think that's a frustrating thing about alien messages. They're just telling us, now they're almost telling us, you know, they're blindingly obvious, really. But I suppose back in the 50s, these were quite radical ideas, really. So I suppose we're good in the sense that we should be prepared to look after our planet more. and it's taken kind of a mainstream to look at climate change and things like that. It's taken, you know, literally decades to look at the kind of global context of what we're doing to the planet. I think we don't even need aliens to tell us the planet's fucked, you know?

1:05:20Like we know it's in turmoil, but I always have to repeat it. There's also beautiful, beautiful stuff on planet Earth. You know, there's also amazing things, amazing people. what do you think of Area 51? Oh yeah, that's up there with Rosswell really I think we do do a lot of secret testing of aircraft and anything the capture we're going to use for intelligence reasons but I think we probably do carry out quite a lot of experiments with lots of different extraordinary aircraft and things related to aviation. But I don't think they're genuinely reverse engineering, you know, spacecraft recovered from Roswell.

1:06:09I'm really kind of quite sceptical about it. They also say extraterrestrial being one and extraterrestrial being two from Roswell have been kept there. And that, you know, they're either dead or one of them stayed alive for a few years or whatever, but I'm not really convinced by them stories. It's interesting, a lot of the old UFO magazines, I always used to mention Area 51, but it became more popular, and it's interesting that the CIA, the United States government really, I only accepted that Area 51 existed only about 12 years ago. Otherwise, I said it didn't exist, but it does exist. But if you try and go there, you'll be escorted out at gunpoint.

1:07:09And that's before you get within miles of it. So it is a very sensitive area. So I suppose anywhere that's got a military presence. Yeah, they'll heighten something. It's the same as Antarctica. I interviewed a man and he spoke about Antarctica. He says there was aliens and UFOs behind the ice balls. Oh, yeah. Which was interesting. Like I say, I don't know. My only concern is with all the technology now, all cars have got cameras and we've got ring doorbells. We've got satellites. We've got camera phones. We've got radars. Yeah. But there's never any concrete evidence of these flying saucers or these aliens.

1:07:50and that's where I think we're in 2025 it's kind of all the old footage there's no clear-cut images for me to go yep I'm a believer right now I'm 50-50 I hope there is I think there's something bigger in us I think something's created us I don't know if it's someone who possibly we could be aliens you know but I don't know until I can't 100 % see it and go do you know what that is you're correct because i remember growing up i was so fascinated by ufos and when you come from a kind of shitty background you want something more than you yeah and to believe there's something bigger looking at the stars i still look up at the stars i still don't know what they are um you just look he used to draw stars in schools and people say balls of gas and it just it's so mind-blowing what could be out there.

1:08:43If it is limitless and the universe is so big with all these different planets we're spinning around the sun even that I do question but who do we believe? Because there's so much pros and cons from everything you know. But is there anything concrete that you know with your information and your investigation to confirm there's UFOs on planet Earth? I don't think there is any concrete evidence. I think it's a bit like religion. I think you either believe it or not. And people have come up with different fragments and things saying this is evidence of part of a flying saucer, that sort of thing.

1:09:30But generally, we're quite disappointing when we're analysed, but not usually anything strange. I think that's the thing with the Roswell case, let's say, there's pictures of the wreckage taken a few days after it was collected. It all looks like tinfoil and sticks, and let's say, oh, it's, there's a mogul balloon project at that time, which was these vast balloons that they used to send to the Soviet Union to try and listen to their atomic bomb testing. And they used to fly them out from New Mexico. And so some people say one of them crashed, which would equate with the kind of boats of wood type things and the silvery material were found.

1:10:32but um later on people said oh the real wreckage was substituted so that it was taken away and the balloon wreckage was brought into the room to be photographed and given publicity to to say you know they've captured the flying disc and it's just a balloon whereas you know believers think They took the real wreckage, you know, to Area 51. And tidied it up as if it was just a plane. What about the little alien that was found, I think, in Mexico? Oh, the mummy? Yeah. Yeah, there's been several mummies found. There's quite a big thing about the Roswell slides. These were slides of a mummy that they said was an alien from Rossville.

1:11:26It seemed to be in a cabinet and the kind of people put together a kind of small team to investigate it. And after two years, they had this big conference in Mexico and big revelation. and they had all sort of fancy presentation and 3D footage and all this sort of thing. But some people got together on social media and they examined it over a few days and they found there's a little inscription on the cabinet. Basically, it was just a human mummy in a museum case. So what had been sat on for two years was revealed within a few days on social media. And yeah, we'd made a lot of fuss about this.

1:12:18And also the same people promoting that have also been promoting all these mummies. And we keep saying we've done all this research on one that we've got, you know, extraterrestrial DNA and all this sort of thing. but other experts say they're just kind of being pieced together from self-owned mummies and even animal parks and different things like that and it does seem to be something that does happen in these countries where they do fake a lot of things so I don't really put much store on them I think one of my main criticisms is that some of these mummies only have three really long fingers.

1:13:07So how would they operate and build a flying saucer? You know, our cat's got more ability with a paws to build something. How would you build something with massive long three fingers, you know, to actually build a flying saucer or anything like that? Because I'd probably say, you know, build their technology in a different way, but I just think it's a flimsy really. and the people promoting these cases have promoted loads of other hoax things. But it makes really good clickbait to have an actual alien body. Because your book, even on the back of it, says instead of wrestling with theories and speculation, Nigel Watson speaks directly with ordinary people in the United Kingdom who have reported seeing UFOs and wide range of startling associated phenomena.

1:14:08that in the past were considered by UFO investigators as too far-fetched or crazy. What's the craziest story you've ever heard? I think nearly all of them. One of them, Paula Green's case, did get on the front page of The Daily Star and it said Grandma has had 52 alien abductions. And I managed to get in touch with her and she said, that's wrong. she's had 52 strange experiences and only one or two so I've had dutching experiences. I mentioned it earlier about her finding herself in this kind of white-moded room and seeing a projected image. And whereas the other cases haven't had that much publicity really because, you know, we're a bit out there really.

1:15:02and also I suppose newspapers would prefer something that has photographs of a UFO or something visual and these are cases where people have not really sought publicity either so I've given pseudonyms to some of them because I think it's only right to protect their names And I think also with people having high strangeness cases, if you start trying to talk about somebody's psychology in any media route, it's not very ethical, really. What sort of messages are the aliens giving people? Are they giving them a heads up? Are they telling them what to do, how to have a better life? Is anybody giving information, the information that they're possibly getting from these people from outer space?

1:16:02Yeah, I think often we give them life-changing information. It gives them a wider perspective of the universe as well as the world. And we tend to get the idea also that everything's connected. So what we do can influence the rest of the solar system or galaxy. You know, that might not be physically true, but it is kind of psychologically true that we are custodians of our planet and our environment. and people then have often become sort of vegetarians and been more keen on social issues like peace and anti-war and atomic bombs and that kind of thing. So there do tend to be things that were, I suppose there were things that you'd call, well, we used to call the counterculture, which is now kind of in the mainstream now.

1:17:09But I think a lot of people were kind of pioneers of these experiences. And perhaps some of these experiences are just projections of our own psychological interests and that we kind of process this information. and it comes out and is projected as coming from aliens, whereas it's coming from their own minds. But how that would work is another thing for psychoanalysts and psychologists to study. But I think, having said that, I didn't mention that sort of thing in the past. They say I'm not mad, but I don't mean that they need a psychiatrist. would need just a bit of psychological understanding.

1:18:00And the problem is psychologists have often just dismissed people, you know, like say over hearing voices and things. So the kind of classic science of schizophrenia and things like that. But people can live perfectly normal lives with these ideas in their head. Do you think a lot of people see maybe UFOs or aliens but don't report it because of it could be signed off as crazy like I said earlier imagine being in the psychiatric ward and you're actually seeing things or hearing things because the mind can play tricks on you but you don't know what's out there like I say I'm totally on the fence I hope there is I love to see UFOs and aliens and other beings because it would make you as if okay there's bigger than us there's a bigger crater but I'm still on the fence and there's so much, I've spoken to people who've seen UFOs, there's just not enough concrete evidence for me to be a 100 % believer.

1:19:01What fascinates me though is that you can be really skeptical about this sort of thing, and the sort of things the Merseyside UFO bulletin came out with, was the things that we all live in a kind of social, cultural, psychological context, So things, because it's a space age, what you interpret as being weird in the sky or something, strange experiences, you interpret in terms of spaceships, whereas in the past you would have interpreted them in terms of religious visions, people having visions of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and having our people, having meetings with fairies and goblins and things like that.

1:19:53I've seen I've had a few, but there's a few out there, the bastards. You've got a few interesting chapters, aliens in the family and the pink panther abduction. What is that? Yes, Stefan Lubinsky. Yeah, Lubuzak or something. level food check uh lube check stefan lubchik he um stefan lubchik that sounds suspicious in itself stefan lubchik he um i think when he was about 12 years old he um found himself inside a ufo on a examination table naked but and that was one of his prime experiences but the aliens around him looked like pink panthers with a pink panther with a large head but but we didn't have any tail like the pink panther it's a kind of striking image really and his sister said she'd later on in life she said she remembers that something strange had happened to him about the time he had this abduction.

1:21:05And his sister had also said that on one occasion this sort of big gale of wind blew her down the stairs, I think it was, and then she saw a kind of jester to the right of her and an alien to the left of her, and then the jester turned into an alien. And I thought, that's a good summary of the alien thing, that they're tricksters and can shapeshift and change, which you could indicate that, you know, that's the sort of thing that happens in our dreams and nightmares, things odour and change and that. But also, I suppose to take the contrary argument, you could say, well, if there are aliens out there, they would be capable of shapeshifting and sending messages to our minds, but perhaps our minds aren't capable for accepting these messages very well.

1:22:06So they're coming glimpses of, you know, greys or being abducted and things. And these are kind of flickering projections from, you know, flesh and blood aliens out there. So you can, I suppose it's a bit like any good science fiction film, you can look at all the different angles, really. and that people have come up with all sorts of ideas to explain this phenomenon. But I think it's down to your own interests and what you think might be evidence or not evidence. I think to me, just because we're talking about the subject, the subject does exist. so you can't just sweep it under the carpet and it's something, you know, worthy of investigation.

1:23:01And I don't think it ever will go away because it's created by so many different things, from psychological phenomenon or all these things are messing with our minds, right through to things in the sky, which, you know, could be anything from just, you know, aircraft and normal things to more rare things like the British Ministry of Defence funded a project, Condyne, and that was a report about all their data, and that concluded that some of the rarest form of UFO could be plasma in the upper atmosphere, and this could interact with engines and radios to cause them to stop or cause interference, and might actually interact with human brains to make them imagine a close encounter.

1:24:07And there's also been this idea of tectonic plates and where they rub together, causing a strain that can create balls of plasma in the atmosphere. and those also could also create not only UFO sightings but could also create abduction experiences. And I think we've even tried plotting on maps tectonic plates in relation to UFO sightings and abductions, but it's notoriously difficult to get out of decent data. And so that kind of theory has kind of drifted away. But it was something, I think, in the sort of 1990s that people were looking at seriously. So I think with UAPs coming back into the news agenda, it might be something people might look at again.

1:25:06So it could be just all sorts of other things that interact with us that might cause these things. you know so we could you know whether it's alien or not it's something else what's your whole opinion opinion on it nigel do you believe you're a hundred percent believer um no i'm kind of because i like your honesty you've been saying listen it could be birds it could be balloons it could be people are a little psychotic it's not a case of you're taking all these stories of people and going yep it's true that ufos are real ufos or aliens are among us you're not some crazy old man who's just 100%.

1:25:43But I think you've got a fair balance of what's real and what's right, and you're investigating on their mindset, which is important. Yeah, I did believe, like I said, that we were being visited, and there's books like Chariots of the Gods, that said, you know, the Bible and archaeological remains, that no spaceman had come, which seemed quite logical to me. But I think in the 70s, I got more sceptical about a lot of these claims. And the people like John Keel and Jacques Vallée were kind of important and showing there's an old history to the subject. And that, you know, flying saucers just suddenly emerged in 1947 with Kenneth Arnold.

1:26:32that if you look back in the past, there's literally hundreds, if you just look in old newspapers, there's literally hundreds of sightings of odd things in the sky. And so you could say we interpret things, odd things in the sky in terms of our own social context. You know, at the end of the First World War, people saw like peace doves and crosses in the sky to indicate that peace was coming. And so we do read things in the sky, and perhaps UFOs are just, you know, the latest high-tech thing we read in the sky. You know, before there might have been, you know, flying saucers, now they're almost like drone-like things.

1:27:20They're always one step ahead of our current technology. so people saw ghost rockets at the end of the Second World War, then they saw flying saucers, and then people seeing these tic-tac things that don't seem to have any aerodynamic surfaces and no form of propulsion, and are related to the UAP thing, thing and then uApps themselves are also said to interact with the human mind and influence people so i think um you've got kind of i think with if you're dealing with this subject i think in a way you have to zoom out really and have a perspective on it and just look at that this is something that's not totally new or anything but it just has lots of different aspects to it so yeah you've got to look outside the box you've got to cover all aspects because it's not just one case but i'd imagine with the technology that we're having now look how much is advanced in 50 years now if there's ufos and aliens look at the they're already thousands of years ahead of us in technology so i'd imagine how advanced they would be in 50 years i'd imagine if everything is true there'd probably be not camouflage but make stuff invisible people walking amongst us david dyke talks about reptilians shapeshifters again i don't know but i'm happy to have the discussion because it is intriguing to think there's people among us we could be aliens you could be an alien you would think i'm going to use his platform to kind of disguise it that we don't really exist like you just don't know but it's just so intriguing to think i hopefully I genuinely hope there's other people among us from other planets like it's such a a good thing to think there's other people out there to learn from but I just don't see how because some people say we're in a dome under like some sort of dome I think the variable calls it a firmament firmament whatever it is but um it's just intriguing to think like who created us and if there's someone out there who's got flying saws who can fly as fast as the speed of light so it's all intriguing what else for anybody watching or listening what information would you have for them or what if someone had seen something but what would you say for them to do with that information well um there are quite a few i think there's a couple of support groups online that people can go to um i think there's a british one um i think you'd have to google it but um I think, you know, not to panic, really, but, you know, you're not alone.

1:30:08And that, you know, people have had these kind of experiences, you know, over literally decades. And also, you know, there are people you can go to, like, I'm not sure what they're called, but if you Google it, you'll find there is a British organisation that does that. But also in my book, if people are interested in British UFO cases, I've put a list of archives. There's a British archive and there's one in Sweden. I've collected tons of material, some of which is going online, a lot of the old UFO magazines. I've kind of listed most of the major British UFO books as well. so then it can put my book in the context of all the other material out there.

1:31:02But I think that it's worth people just remembering that we're not alone, basically, and that it is a fascinating subject and it does cover everything from mind to space and the universe. So, like you say, there could be life, more than likely life out there, because there's literally billions of galaxies, let alone planets and stars. So, you know, there is life out there, whether it's actually interfacing with us is another thing. But, you know, I just find the whole subject fascinating, really, because there's always new developments and ideas. And so it's always worth kind of having a look at the subject, really.

1:31:58Yeah, definitely. Nigel, where can people buy your book? it's online, it's on Amazon and any bookshop could order it for you yeah good luck with that, I don't want to give too much information for it for people who are well, he's told me everything, there's so much more in the book people would be intrigued by it like I say there's question marks which I think is important, you're not just coming with one side of it, UFOs are real aliens are among us, you're kind of looking at from all different walks of life Nigel would you like to finish up on anything else? No, no, people are welcome to contact me on nigelwatson1 at gmail.com if they want to make a comment on the subject or report their experiences.

1:32:41I write a column every month for 14 times called Sources of the Damned, so I'm always sort of putting the latest information there about developments in America. I also put in any new websites or new cases that come along as well so yeah it's like I say it's an interesting topic Nigel wish you nothing but the best for the book and I'll have you back on again hopefully with more information and some concrete evidence to get everybody to believe in that there's other things out there but God bless and take care Nigel alright thank you see you as Paul