Cop v Robber - London Gangster Sits Down with Former Cop Peter Bleksley

23:46I just obviously hate it people just report report report in six months I think I'm on my fifth Instagram like it's just Instagram and lizards like what can I say about it can police shut accounts down

24:00Peter Bleksley:I have frankly no idea about that to be honest before he's done yeah yeah just a little bit yeah but it's kind of you know that sparks that whole debate isn't it about whether the police should be policing social media no they do because they've been saying so basically I had a court case of a month and they was all that was going on about is my social media i'm having mad drama now with social services because of all of this and the police have just all they're going on about is my social media like i went on with my kids with my little girl paris the other day for her birthday social services meeting today all they're talking about is i was in paris my kids that police have sent these pictures of me with my kids so they're just stalkers do you know what i mean do you regret some of the videos you've done in the past I don't regret anything I've ever done in my life literally if I regret what I've done I ain't who I am so no so see obviously Danny's running out of prison children's homes you're in children's homes no no no just prisons for a young age literally 15 do you see the patterns when you're working in the police force understanding the kids coming from broken homes and then going to prison for a very young age and then becoming who they are as adults Of course, there are many people with challenges in adult life and also those involved with crime that have what they call adverse childhood experiences.

25:21Peter Bleksley:You know, Dan getting his feet broken by his dad with a paw cue is very much an adverse childhood experience and you are going to come out affected by that. No matter what, of course it's going to affect you. My father was particularly vicious and unpleasant and nasty and that had an enormous influence on me. for many, many years. I eventually got over it. You know, he left home. I met up again with him 20-odd years later, got the answers to the questions that had been gnawing away inside of me. I was fortunate enough that as a puppy, basically, as a 17-year-old, you know, I went into the police cadets.

25:58Peter Bleksley:So that kind of thrashed the ill-discipline, the anti-establishment kind of attitude because I'd been a nightmare at school and all of that. And that thrashed that out of me and quite possibly saved me from going down a very different career path. But now, as I get older, even though our career paths have been at the opposite ends of the scale, and I'm now unashamedly going to sound like an old uncle here, because here I am, right? He's actually my uncle. That's why he gets over here. Now, look, 30-odd years ago, I wasn't married, all right, but I'm willing to do a DNA test to prove I'm not his uncle, right?

26:40Peter Bleksley:Okay. But, you know, I feel like I should have a cardigan here and a mince pie in front of me. It should be Christmas Day. I'm, you know, amongst a couple of young gentlemen in their 30s, you know, and I should be dispensing life advice or not maybe, but here we go. You know, you have so much going for you. You're personable, you're sparky, you've got a sense of humour, you love your kids and all of that when I was about 40 years old I went out for a drink one night got drunk woke up and do you know what before I knew it I was 60 because time goes like that literally you're looking at me thinking look at that frigging overweight old wrinkly geezer no I actually agree with you because I remember I was in Belmarsh and I was in the gym and I was doing deadlifts and I was literally just ripping them up ripping them up and the gym guy said to me he went you want to be careful because the second you get one day over 25 it's all going to go too quick you're going to get injuries you're going to get this I was like yeah whatever mate what happened one day over 25 broke my leg a couple weeks later I broke my hands then boom I'm 33 I'm like fuck I remember yesterday being in that gym and the geezer saying to me when you get over 25 you won't be doing that you'll be 50 and 60 and a granddad before you know where you are do not waste I'm trying not to these greatest greatest years of your life with those beautiful young children that I'm sure you adore having on your knee and kissing goodnight and reading them a story and doing all of that and all the fun and laughs and batteries and everything don't waste them by being behind the door because you can't get to see them that's what my little boy he's like 10 now and I've literally probably for about 5 years probably missed by being in jail and like now like going to choose secondary schools I'm like this is going a bit quick like when I was a baby now we're choosing secondary schools what happens after secondary school you'll either go down one road or one road so it's like fuck going so quick do you worry for your kids that because of your social media presence and videos that are out there that they potentially go down the same road as yourself even though you're trying to prevent it my little boy nah he's so polite like when he was younger he used to be a menace like honestly he was he was just so naughty i was just like wow he's gonna be like mate you're worse but now he's he'll be coming here be like hello shake your hand polite respectful but now i'm like look at my little girl that i've got delilah i'm just like you're gonna be worse than me shit i'm in trouble and when she's only like 18 months i'm 32 so when she gets to say i'm gonna be an old fart you know what i mean and i'm all for like my daughters are not having a boyfriend but these little youngsters when I'm fucking 60 are probably going to beat the shit out of me so yeah trust me they will but they will have girlfriends that'll do nothing sorry the old fart's got the mic again right yeah they will of course have girlfriends but you know what the better you raise them dare I say it I think the likelihood of them bringing home a nice fella is increased substantially yeah and at the end of the day but then again in this world now that we live in is their nice obviously girls is their nice boys I feel like it's just social media and cams girls and it's just showing them all the wrong stuff my nan and granddad was together from the age of 15 to when my nan died last two months ago so that it seems like it doesn't happen no more there are many many wonderful young people out there my two youngest are only 20 and 21 right and they're both at uni.

30:30Peter Bleksley:And, of course, any chance I get to go up to uni and go out and make myself an enormous embarrassment to my kids, I will, you know. We go night clubbing, we go out having a drink. And I love just being surrounded by these bright, articulate, lovely people. There are millions of them out there, you know. And they don't have to, these kids don't have to live their lives on social media. You're their dad. You can limit it, ration it. You don't sack it. I just try and let them do what they want like I always believe on they will make the right choice and I proved to my baby mum before she's like you can't just let the kids do whatever they want that's just not on they're going to grow up and be brats and I turned to my little boy I went do you want to go to school today and he turned around and went yeah I went there you go let them make the decision and they'll make the right decision if they try and go the wrong decision you just lead them back into the right decision but I always believe let them make the decision and it's worked you know what I mean I've got good babe mums who are polite respectful and don't have anything to do with my side of life and they literally bring their kids up perfectly so I actually don't have no worries in that well long may that continue because you know parenting is the most important job in the world see where you're past and stuff and the stuff that you you say that you do do you ever worry that it could come back and affect your kids or their baby mums what like someone retaliating retaliating to them yeah no because I'll do the madness like literally when does it ever stop then Danny?

32:03when does what I do? yeah I actually don't do anything no more obviously I've done that thing the other day but apart from that I don't unless if someone's going to put it on the plate then they're going to put it on the plate but yeah I don't I don't go out looking for it intentionally I don't go out now looking to as you would say rob someone do you know what I mean? I've got my businesses I'm kicking back being a family man paying tax paying tax yeah Do you think guys like Danny can change, Peter? If you're kind of seen over the years working with certain criminals and people making changes, does it happen?

32:35Peter Bleksley:The biggest transformations I've seen amongst people who have chosen a life of crime is when they've had a long sentence. Say, for example, they've had a 20 wrap round them and they've done 10 or 11. because then the prison authorities have been able to do some real work on them and they have had so long banged up that they've appreciated that they don't want to come out and go straight back in for another long one. Hello. Look what TJ Maxx dragged in. The Devil Wears Prada 2 is now streaming on Disney Plus and Hulu. We are digital, we are downloadable, we are streamable. The fashion event of the year is certified fresh.

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34:03Peter Bleksley:So I don't think that short sentences, generally speaking, I think are just a waste of time. Yeah, but you say that. I've been in prison since basically 2005 to basically 2018. Like, I know you say short sentences and whatnot, but I also got a five and I've got a two and so literally from 2005 to then prisons don't actually do anything no unless of course you've got a 20 right and then you go to them the commercial jails absolutely and then of course some of the services that are available the courses and the learning and the work that the prisoners can do on themselves you know that real deep seated look yourself in the mirror proper learning you know I've experienced the people and I've met people that have done that and they've come out they've also got a trade while they've been banged up which has been another beneficial side effect of doing a long sentence and they come out and they're qualified and they can set themselves up and they go straight into a legitimate business and they have absolutely no reason whatsoever to go anywhere near criminality ever again and fair play to them.

35:02Peter Bleksley:Those people have my utmost respect because I believe we should have a second chance. Well, not certain people don't deserve a second chance but overwhelmingly people do. What does it take for a criminal to really make the changes? Like you say, the big sentences in... But I feel like prison turns you into a criminal. So I went to prison one day. Literally, me and my mate was walking back. We see a window open. So we're just, we're only young. We thought, oh, let's just nick the car. We've gone in. We actually didn't take anything from the ass. They reported it to the police that they'd been burgled.

35:32I went to prison for four months through two in 2005. When I got out from that four months or two, I met this scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag. All of a sudden, I'm flat out now doing burglaries, nicking cars, doing this and that. All of a sudden, got back to prison. Met this scumbag, that scumbag, that scumbag. Boom. Out again with all these other new scumbags doing different crimes. And that was just a spiral. Went from burgling, nicking cars to arm rubberies to anything and everything. And it was all met via prison.

36:04Peter Bleksley:Goes back to what I was just saying, Dan. Short sentences. Literally. Essentially, they're a waste of time. It's just a use sentence. They don't serve any useful purpose. They just turn you into a better criminal. The long sentences where people can work on themselves and the authorities can work on the prisoners, yes, they very often don't work. What do you think should change then in the prison system to help offenders? To not re-offend, basically? Because the percentage is very high of people going back in. I think he starts at school and that. I think so. Because, obviously I know I'm rabbiting on that, but the way I got out of crime, like you said, like you do courses and that, and then people change.

36:41but when I changed is when I realized, I bought these companies and I realized how much money you can make legitimately. And obviously when all this started going, I was making in the summer, 10 ,000 pound a week from a construction business. I never made that doing one robbery, one arm robbery, running in someone with a gun. I never made that. All right, we're in the cash box and that 20 grand, 25 grand. There's four of us. So we never got the 20 grand. We got like fucking seven grand each or something. Do you know what I mean? Now I'm sending boys to work and I'm earning£10 ,000 a week. So I feel like that's what mentally changed me, that I can make more money legitimately than criminal crime.

37:25Do you know what I mean?

37:26Peter Bleksley:I've had just about every type of pound note in my pocket over the years, right? I've had the pound note that I've won off the bookies. I've had the pound note that somebody's given me. You know what I mean? A gift when you're a kid, your birthday money and all that kind of stuff. I might have had a pound note that might have come from a questionable source given to me and I've also had the pound note that I've grafted for and I've got to tell you the best pound note in your pocket and the most enjoyable pound note to spend is the one that you've grafted for 100 % do you feel as if you enjoy it more if it's legit yeah I actually love it like honestly I know I put up Range Rovers this fucking all these cars and things but the most satisfaction I've ever had was i'd done a driveway for an oap who was a train driver his whole life and it was just for the queen's jubilee but just before she died and he wanted his driveway done and i got up to help him because he really loved me at six o 'clock in the morning and on my hands and knees myself and ladies drive and that was when i walked away and see his face was the most satisfaction i've ever had i've barred my kids you know what i mean that to know that i actually made him and his wife really happy and I've done it myself not all the driving around in ranger I went to work in the van in work clothes and done that myself with obviously my main boy what was the main object what was the main thing for you to try and make changes what came into your mind what was the thing that says fuck me I need to make changes my kids like literally my kids I just thought I can't be in my life and soul I breathe my kids my kids are my everything I couldn't be away from them does that make sense so if i can commit a crime now and what get free ground and what and i'm gonna lose my kids for two and a half years and then be back to square one no do you know how hard is it then to then make the adjustments danny for being the boys kind of out there in your face and zero fucks giving to then try to be like maturing and try to see the world a bit differently and you've always been a family man i've always said this every podcast that that's why i've got major respect, even though the things that you've done was wrong but you were still trying to provide for a family but now you're seeing the world a little differently, like how hard is that then to make that transition where people then maybe test you more if they see like a softer side what do you mean?

39:51Like if you're not out there fuck the police and I'm going to fuck this person. Oh I still am like that but obviously it's separate. But you seem different do you reckon? Yeah you seem more chilled yeah because obviously the mental side of things like you were both different ends of the spectrum police officer criminal you struggled with your mental health you struggled with your mental health when did yours start slipping Peter

40:17Peter Bleksley:when I was living in the witness protection programme with the constant threat of an assassin's bullet in the back of my head and I was still having to go to work and I was still working undercover so in any given day I could be three different people because I get up in the morning there's a male on the door oh yeah, there's a reminder, I'm living in this house, not a house, it was a hideout, I'm living in this hideout in one identity. I jump in the car, I drive to work, put the radio on, hooray, I could beat Peter Blexley for an hour, get to work, and the governor says, we've got an undercover job, Blex, off you go.

40:48Peter Bleksley:Right, so by about half eleven in the morning, I've been three different people, and I was drinking too much, and I was smoking too much, and the constant threat and concern and conspiracy theorising and all that, of course, led to a catastrophic mental health breakdown. Did you ever feel used? And the police? I don't think I particularly looked at it in that fashion. I felt that there were certain things that shouldn't have been done that were done and the situation whereby the confidential report with my name in it should never have been compiled, never had my name put in it, never printed off, taken out of police premises, never left in a car where it could be stolen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

41:28Peter Bleksley:Yeah, I was pretty pissed off about all of that. but it was all a long time ago. Yes, at the time I was hurt. It was really the motivation for writing my autobiography all those years ago because that was very cathartic to get that off my chest and get it out there because I felt I'd been wronged but fortunately I live my life now looking forwards and not backwards and it's all part of a dim and distant memory. What about your own mental health, Danny? We've spoke about it a few times but when was it at your darkest? You were in prison. you've been out of prison you've had the money you've had the big cars like it's never we never seem satisfied we never seem good enough like when do jurors become at us it's worst yeah right now why just the fact of like just the way life is the way the police are being with social media the police are being with social services at the moment I feel like they're just attacking my kids and I'm helpless to it if that makes sense do you know what I mean like Like, there's nothing I can do.

42:34And it's powerless. Like, yeah.

42:38Peter Bleksley:Let's look at the things that you do have some power over. Okay? Because there are things, of course, we can't alter in life, but there are many things that we can actually take responsibility for and change. For me, life is about making as much of it as easy as we can. Right? So, you know, if you can not get in the tear-ups with the old bill, not engage with the old bill, not have a reason to engage with the old bill, that would be a massive benefit, I think, to you. Yeah, but I don't. Like, to the point of the other day was going to work. I'm in a company brand, sign written up, company close.

43:18They swamped on me in a petrol garage. Everyone knows BP petrol garages, Metro Prittland Police, has got to deal with them. That's the petrol garages they use. so I've gone in this petrol garage they've swamped on me four car loads to search me for a weapon now it's irrelevant what I've got on me I could have an axe a knife whatever I'm in a company car that does construction work unless I've got a gun there's nothing you can do do you know what I mean but they've got me and cuffed over the bonnet doing the madness and I'm like you're doing this now anyone in this petrol garage that sees this company they're never going to use it So then what happens to me when my company's not being used and I'm not making money?

43:58I go back to crying. Hello.

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45:27Peter Bleksley:What was the outcome of that? They searched me, kept me there for 45 minutes and let me go. Right. Well, well played. Okay. First of all, huge, huge credit to you for not having a rear up and a tear up and getting yourself nicked. Right. That is such a positive. Now take that as a positive. you have displayed a maturity there that you wouldn't have had five years ago. This is what keeps it happening to me. Right, right. Okay. So eventually, eventually, if you can show that, that incredible self-restraint that you did, okay, those things are going to go away. Eventually. They are going to go away.

46:05They really tried it the other day. Like I've got, I was with my baby mum. Well, she had to get the baby's job. So she said, oh look, because there's two kids, can you come with me? Well, I'll take one baby in and then you look after baby in the car, no problem I seen all these police cars so I said oh give me a lift out of here like to my brother's ass as we drift out police car straight in front like literally jumped out, I've got out I'm like what no I ain't telling you I'm like well you've got to tell me, why are you pulling the car over stay there, stay there I went I ain't doing nothing mate, shut the fuck up and then he went do you know what, he's tried to grab me now he wants to fight like old Danny from 15, 25 would have picked him up and threw him what did I do?

46:51jog back start videoing you do nothing jogged off down the road right got pulled over down the road by fucking 20 police why are you running? why am I running? it's because I don't punch his head in very simple it goes one way or another I just jog over here and get away from him or he puts his hands on me my mental brain can't deal with someone putting their hands on me I end up just smashing his head in, then he's in prison for assaulting a police officer. Because any touch I've done, a touch, a push, a punch, an headbutt, a bite, is always assaulting a police officer. And it's one way ticket to prison.

47:27Peter Bleksley:Self-restraint. You know, you've shown it in the BP garage, right? Jumping straight up and turning the F off and all that ain't great, right? That restraint, that being able to count to 10. I know, but I can't. you know and all of that you know you're you're gonna have to i'll be trying that's why i'm not in prison you're really really well well then you must have been trying successfully on occasions because you're here and not banged up i've just learned just not not fight back not fight back be cocky be just don't fight back when he's doing all the grabbing and trying to you know what police do when they try and give you a little twist and all that for you then to buy it and then he jumps on you.

48:11I don't buy it now. I just turn around and go, what are you doing, mate? Do you know what I mean? I'll be cocky, cocky, cocky and then when they start doing it, what are you doing, mate? Like, go on then, do it. Just let them.

48:22Peter Bleksley:Yeah, stand back. Let them search the van. Let them search the car. 100%. Like they had that the other day, I've got a picture on my phone. They come into my ass to arrest me for a blackmail. I think this was last month, September. They come in my ass to arrest me for a blackmail and now when they come into my house, they literally when I'm no joke when I tell you they kicked the shit out of me to the point they broke my ribs they broke my hand they had a hole in my head I had a black eye and it's crazy to the point of today on social services meeting social services asked them for the CCTV the body worn cameras they went we can't give you that because of the assault that happened with Mr Simpson and I was like what?

49:05and then they went oh look Mr Simpson got assaulted but obviously he was resisting arrest. That's all they ever try and fall back on. Do you want me to show the pictures of it?

49:14Peter Bleksley:No, you can show me those afterwards, but what was the outcome of that search? Nothing. There you go, see, so that's another bonus. Now, we've got the BP garage and we've got that search of your house, right? No charges. Yeah, you're not, you're not getting banged up. I was in this police station here at Fulham and the custody sergeant when they was bailing me went, how dare you release him on bail to the man who interviewed me. He's like, I've been told by my boss to, like, bail him. And then he went, no, not DST. What's the ones driving the blue buses? Tactical ones. TSG. I'm going to ring TSG now.

49:52They're not going to be fucking happy. Look what they've done to him and now you're releasing him within 12 hours. That was his exact words in the custody suite. And my citizen went, don't say anything. It's all recorded. That left us in court. So when can he do people with harassment? No, I am. I've got a barrister, literally a very good expensive barrister and I've spoken to him today and we're going through all the evidence I'm doing the police for harassment

50:14Peter Bleksley:Okay well obviously I won't compliment an ongoing potential criminal discipline case that would be irresponsible broadcasting but let's just focus on those two examples that we've spoken about they didn't lead to any charges no court cases you have shown a certain level of restraint not as much perhaps as i'd like you to do but okay it's a work in progress so when you say your mental health's not great think about those positive experiences not positive experience but your positive reaction in that you didn't rear up you've not been nicked or charged okay and take things like that so it comes back to what i was talking about about the things you can control in your life right you can choose not to commit crime big tick you can choose to act with restraint when you engage with the police and therefore prison won't be on the horizon in any way shape or form will it and therefore that looks better with social services you see more of your kids you engage with them I don't actually engage with them I don't have no involvement I feel like they're all liars and they just chat shit I have no involvement if they ring my phone I say don't dare ring my phone hang up because they lie they tell one person one thing they tell another person another thing they tell another person another thing they didn't even know the other day that I had four kids.

51:36So how can I even listen to them? They're ringing my phone. It's in about this meeting and all that. Kids in danger, blah, blah, social media, present lifestyle. I'm like, yeah, great, but you're talking to this baby mum. They went, yeah, I went, but them kids are five months old and 18 months old. They're with the baby mum 24-7. Why are you not talking to the other baby mum whose kid's 10 and the other kid's four? He's got social media, the 10-year-old. He goes, walks to school on his own, back from school. he's like he's more in danger than anyone why are you not talking to that one oh who's that one I went so you only know about them two kids yeah so you didn't know I had another two kids no I went get the fuck off my phone man so what's happening with the social the social services I have no involvement with them at all they will not tell me they will not dictate to me unless they got in black and white from a judge saying I'm this that that I won't even acknowledge them and they can't see because of Danny's past is that a big lots of red flags for because the men is always fucked anyway when it comes to kids and divorces it's always the man who gets the the bad fucking edge of the stick like how does Danny then improve that to try and get the kids back to try and then stop with a police harassment like he's not angel or saint but how does they then put the steps into becoming

52:52Peter Bleksley:well I'm absolutely delighted to say I've never been divorced and I've never had any dealings with the social services over my kids and I'm very happy about that but you know i can just in that whole bloody nagging uncle kind of way sticking within the the spheres of operations that i do know about in other words crime and policing you know just urge danny to not commit crime don't rear up and then things will settle down i'm not saying it's going to happen overnight and then you will feel better and you know you can treat yourself to a pipe and a pair of slippers you know what i mean and look forward to the time when you have a a grandchild on your knee and you'll be and you'll be the old man who needs his driveway done it will happen like that dan the older you get the quicker time flies and you don't want to waste it but you know what it is though it's like it could be five years and all of a sudden someone will make a fake video and post a fake video and it'd be like social services back my kids 10 they've been coming in and out of my life every year over something it could be anything assault on a police officer social services back anything it's actually ridiculous like and I just give up on that honestly I'm just like oh you know what I don't even care don't ring my phone what's the what's beating your father off the coppers it's about half hour when I do him let you answer that he'd do nothing my street fighting days are long behind me Dan right I promise, please, please.

54:29Probably Betsy Police Station 1. That was a bit bad. But I was on the phone. And then they was like, I could hear the sergeant saying, get him off the phone now. But I just carried on having a conversation. And then the police officer had come over and he was like, look, you've got to get his phone. And I just turned around like that. And the sergeant shouted. So I just said, all right, I'm going. I got off the phone, walked straight up to the desk. I tried to grab the sergeant. And as I tried to grab the sergeant, he was wearing them tires. but then the tyres are just clip-ons. It's clipped off all my days if they get me in that cell and kick the shit out of me.

55:03But that was probably that and the one the other day no the one the other day weren't actually that bad but the Bexth one was probably the worst. Bexth one Plumstead Police Station that one they've done me as well. Do you worry that it will never stop? No because they want a retaliation they want me to throw one punch back they want me to do an headbutt because that's the charge that's the prison do you know what I mean? But obviously I just don't give it to them. Like Plumsey Police Station one was quite funny. When they piss me off, I call for water. When they come for water, I just put my arms out the hatch.

55:32I just don't move my arms. Then they literally, the whole police station comes to a stash and we get his cock in our geezer's arms, back in that thing. And then, yeah, they come in that time, kick the shit at me. Do you think you're biting your tongue now with not retaliate because your kids are in the lane? As scientific discovery changes the landscape, advances in cancer care may offer new hope for your patients. See how Pfizer is helping reshape what's possible at cancer.fizer.com.

56:24Door deterrence requires a SimpliSafe Active Guard outdoor protection plan starting at$49.99 a month. Visit SimpliSafe.com slash licenses for alarm license information. Tennessee 2012. Yeah, I never react in front of my kids. Like literally, if they come, then I'll just like, well, do you know what I mean? Go with them. But I never really, I don't actually kick off no more with them. It's them, do you know what I mean? Like this one the other day, they knocked me unconscious twice. I went from my house to the hospital for an MRI scan on my brain. like they knocked me unconscious two separate times by stamping on my head

57:18How far can police go, Peter, if somebody's resisting arrest?

57:24Peter Bleksley:they're permitted to use whatever force is proportionate reasonable and that of course varies on circumstances doesn't it you know if somebody is having a proper tear up with you then you've got to use whatever reasonable force to detain that person if you've got evidence to arrest them but at the end of the day we can't we can't use that though so why are they because at the end of the day they're still I've read something before and it was this judge said it and I read it in the paper and basically what happened, this police officer was chasing his moped and the moped was driving dangerously.

57:56He ended up crashing, dying. The police officer was getting in trouble because he was doing the same. And the judge went, regardless of anything, the law is the law. Nobody is above the law. And the law is, if I touch you and it's an assault, it's an assault, you know? Regardless if it's self-defense or what. Because if me and him was out on that street now and he punched me in my head and I punched him straight back in his head, we're both getting nicked for a free. so why if the police officer does it it's self-defense or I was using a reasonable force it's not

58:27Peter Bleksley:it should be the same it's the law it's the law yeah but no two cases are the same okay so it's reasonable force that's that's the real buzzword reasonable force and that reasonable force needs to be proportionate for example if I'm you know I'm I'm in plain clothes right I'm carrying a gun like I used to on many occasions and I'm plotted up outside a bank or a post office and a robber comes out and he's carrying the sawn off then there's pretty not a lot of dispute. That's a different level. Yeah, yeah. I know. There's not a lot of dispute about me being reasonable if I squeeze that trigger and give him a pair and that person loses their life for example.

59:10Peter Bleksley:Although, of course, many similar cases like that have been debated, discussed and fought over in various courts of law. That's where The law is so often interpreted and decided. If you go to something completely different level, if I'm a police officer and I'm looking to arrest someone and they go, you're not laying your hands on me, copper, and they pull their arm away, then clearly I'm going to have to do something other than just reaching out and putting their hand on them. See, if I did that, just reach out, put their hand on, and they went, no, you're not doing that. well then I'm going to have to up the ante aren't I I'm going to have to use greater force than I originally intended to do but a punch in the face a punch in the ribs hitting with a cosh hitting with a walkie talkie it's not acceptable as as anybody to hit another human being so why have the metropolitan police got this right because when I've been arrested by Kent I don't have these problems when I got transferred from Fulham Police Station to Kent Police Station the sergeant said I've been in this job 25 years I've never ever seen anybody come in with them injuries in my whole working life who done that and I was like the police he was like you sue them you're getting out of court payment 100 % but it's not right what then now go and do it to the person who can't sit here and talk is there an ongoing court case about that no no no right well not yet right well there might be So I'm not going to comment on that.

1:00:45Peter Bleksley:Of course he's not. No, no. And I would never defend the indefensible, right? And when we were cops... Let's just say, for example... Let me just finish one moment, if I may, please, Dan, right? Punchy police are a liability, okay? If you're working alongside people and they're punchy, they are, generally speaking, a liability. I want somebody to cover my back, and when I am faced with violence and I'm in a position of danger, then I want to know that my colleagues are going to be there to help protect, support me and help us get the job done. But generally speaking, you will find the overwhelming majority of cops want to swerve punchy police officers because they're grief, they're aggravation.

1:01:27Peter Bleksley:But they're not all stacked together then? Well, this cuts into something that's very much a story of the moment with regards to policing, of course, because there are inquiries going in into the standards and culture of the police. And we know through far too many revolting examples of late that the police are falling way, way short of the levels we expect of them, that we should deserve from them. Because when you get a warrant card and you sign on and you swear your oath to become a police officer, it is only right that we, the public, expect them to operate by higher standards than us three round this table up.

1:02:04Peter Bleksley:Because we're not in the old bill, right? That doesn't mean to say we can go off and behave like arseholes, but, you know, police officers, they have a very, very important power bestowed to them, and that is to deny people their liberty. You know, there is not many greater powers you can give to anyone. So when you give police officers that power and they sign on the dotted line, it is only right that we should expect their behaviour to be above and beyond what it is pretty much anywhere else. Basically, I've got a police officer that I get on with really well and they said it's on the computer as a nuisance, calls a nuisance to me, basically.

1:02:46Like, it's on, when she puts in my name and you can only press in it. Like, if you press in it, then it will flag up somewhere that that police officer has logged on that. So they said, I can't go any further with that but it's on their nuisance. Nuisance marker is called.

1:03:01Peter Bleksley:Dan, And any car, okay, that they think that you are going to be a passenger in, right, they will go onto the PNC and it will have what they call markers on it. Yeah. And it might have weapons. It might have violence. It might have whatever. And then, of course, it will be on ANPR. So I've seen you talking about a previous example when you pulled off a roundabout. Of course it did because you're on a main drag, pinged on APR, markers come up, violence, assaults, police. so anytime anytime you get pulled over in a car the cop is already like got half one there because he thinks there might be one coming back but apparently it's obviously this is from the police officer but it's a really high up police officer and he's got a really big bee in his bonnet with me but I don't understand how you can have a personal thing comes back to what we were saying about Joey Pyre wasn't it right and that's your problem that if you've got to a senior police officer who says this is a man that we simply have to make an example of by taking him down, then that is going to be very challenging for you.

1:04:04But the only thing they're going to get is a disc or driving or something silly. Like, it just doesn't make... For example, the other day, I've come along the road, and I've done the video, yeah? Put my hand on the steering wheel, done a video, yeah? Yeah. Winding them up, as we said before. Got to the roundabout. Obviously, I knew he was on the main motorway. As we'd come off the motorway, what happened? Six police cars were waiting. As we went round the roundabout, you're really going to use all them resources all that money for a disc while driving do you know the maximum sentence is six months to three and I've pled guilty and I'd get six weeks to three twelve weeks to six sorry when does it come out of your mind then that fuck it I'm not going to do that anymore what wind them up oh I'm always going to wind them up do you see that as an issue then yeah

1:04:51Peter Bleksley:well it doesn't help let's be perfectly frank I've just wasted an hour of my life by trying to talk some sense into him and all he's like yeah I'm always going to wind him up yeah well well then in that case Dan you're on your own mate but at least I tried who wins in the end at least I tried who wins in the end who wins in the end it won't be Dan what do you think the worst case scenario but I don't do anything it truly won't be Dan but I don't do anything I don't commit crime the establishment cannot allow Dan to end up being a winner but I don't do anything I don't commit crime So what can they nick me for?

1:05:27Peter Bleksley:Well, disc-hold driving's a crime. Yeah, all right. But I don't actually drive. Yeah. I don't actually. I actually pay a driver and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. But they actually... Good. What are they going to nick me for? I don't sell drugs. I don't do unrobbies no more. I don't rob people no more. There's nothing they can actually physically come and, like you said, they will do. I revert to what I said earlier, Dan, right? They'll be pouring over your social media talking about, you know, you mug somebody off for this watch or that watch or the other watch. Tax money. Right? You know, 100K in Bitcoin, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1:05:59Peter Bleksley:I bet as we speak, in fact, if you listen now, yeah, those sirens, yeah. It's half a dozen police cars tearing off down to Bournemouth to find a bloke you've mugged off, right, and get a statement from him. You know, they will find something. And then, of course, the problem will be is if they get you for a crime of dishonesty, then, of course, the proceeds of crime act comes into it. And then the entire emphasis is on you to prove that everything you've got is legit. It's not like when you get nicked for a crime where, of course, innocent until proven guilty. With the Proceeds of Crime Act, that is completely flipped.

1:06:38Peter Bleksley:And they will regard everything you own, including that hoodie on your back and those trainers on your feet, as being the Proceeds of Crime. and you will have to prove otherwise. And that, of course, will be aligned to what I've said earlier about a tax investigation from the tax authorities. So one way or another, you know, they could make life particularly uncomfortable for you. And I have to say, if you continue to antagonize... Yeah, yeah. You know, if you continue to antagonize, there will only be one winner and it won't be Danny Sims. It won't be you, mate. why do you keep doing it then if you just high up coppers just telling you that you're never going to win it's going to come to a head basically I just think it's fine like they do the same to me they drive past me and wave and take the piss or put the middle finger up like so I just do the same to them do you know what I mean like Danny Simpson from 1525 a police officer drove past me and waved I would chase him down the road if he stopped at red I would drag him out of the window and beat him up like now alright cool I'd go do that video and put you on social media let me tell you Dan you are very very fortunate that this is not the 1970s oh no I wouldn't be a Latin Violet because you know what would have happened to you right certain unscrupulous detectives right would have once you got in a car they would have given you a happy bag what's that when they ran you off the road no no a happy bag right okay it was it was kind of like the slang that was used by people who would unscrupulously fit people up.

1:08:17Peter Bleksley:And in that happy bag, which would have been found behind your seat or at your feet in the car, according to the evidence, in that holdall would have been a stocking, right? Ready for you to pull over your head, right? I'm talking old school, 70s and 80s, as opposed to a ballet now, right? Gloves, a saun off, maybe a crowbar, yeah? You'd have been fitted up like a kipper and you'd have got a 20, 25, 30 wrap round you. That's how they'd have sorted you out in the 70s. Is there a possibility that something like that could still happen? I would like to think not. Because nobody would believe Danny then.

1:08:57He's not that leg to stand on, has he?

1:08:58Peter Bleksley:I would very much like to think not. I don't think, you know, there are, of course, a lot of challenges in policing that need to be addressed, but I would very much like to think there is no unscrupulous, dying, lying, perjuring bastard that would go and plant a happy bag on someone these days. I think that is a sin of our fathers, which will not be repeated, I sincerely hope. But it could be a possibility. If the beatings and that, he's not got a leg. If six people are going to beat him up, he says they just attacked him. There's no chance of winning, hasn't he? It's the age of body-worn video, right?

1:09:31Peter Bleksley:It's body-worn video these days. As the body cams on? All these cops. So they also lied. They said that there was these weapons next to my bed. when they put the report in social service like alright we want the body worn like you're saying this is there we want the body worn then police have come back today saying look we can't give you the body worn because of that the assault is on Simpson so they've got it do you know what I mean and obviously when I get this bar I'm not going for a solicitor I'm going straight to a barrister comparing a barrister so when it goes to court obviously all the evidence has to come we'll have another podcast have you ever thought about moving away though do you think that about a wise move is to move out of the situation move away from his kids yeah I wouldn't move away from my kids anything on earth just for that more stable life with I have actually moved boroughs so obviously you go from Met to Kent blah blah but I'm just getting the same with Kent like honestly like police outside my ass all the fucking time driving past pulling over writing down non-plates of cars.

1:10:40I'd come to my house the other week when it was really hot at the sunny time and one of my company vans just magically set on fire. He pulled up at my address. Your van's on fire. Do you want to go and check it? It's here. I said, all right, sweet. He had the non-plate of my cars that was on my drive written on his hand. So when he'd pulled up to tell me my van's on fire, he'd written down non-plates of my cars.

1:11:06Peter Bleksley:Perfectly decent bit of policing. nothing wrong with that at all of course they're doing it you're a persistent disqualified driver so of course you know you would say if you had local beat bobbies you know and let's hope they do bring them back neighbour of policing let's hope that does get brought back across the nation the local neighbour of cop would go right we've got a persistent disqualified driver here every morning on his on his beat he will write down the car the number plate of every car that's on his drive or outside his house or down the street. No, no, it's called trying to detect and prevent crime.

1:11:41Peter Bleksley:And let me tell you why I prevent it, right? And this is no holds barred here, right, Dan? Okay? Reasons why I particularly disliked disqualified drivers, right, when I was in the old bill, and many, many cops do, right? You're uninsured. You've got no license. You're a disqual, right? Now, you imagine how you would feel if a disqual driver with no insurance and no driver licence, hit one of your kids, right? Injured them severely so that they would need constant medical care for the rest of their lives. But because that disc-roll driver was not insured, okay, you couldn't get the sufficient funds from his insurer to ensure that your sadly, badly injured child could get the 24-hour care they need.

1:12:29Peter Bleksley:How would you feel? I don't know because I am insured. You can't, if you're a disc car, you can't be insured. No, I am. I've got fully, full trader's insurance from my company. If you're behind the wheel and you're a disc car, your insurance is invalid. It's utterly invalid. You cannot, if you get behind the wheel, if you get behind the wheel, right, and you drive, any insurance you have is invalid if you are a disqualified driver. I pay£380 a month. Believe you me, you are not insured if you drive as a disqualified driver. You are not insured. I've had it for the last two and a half years. Police have even rung them up and told them, have you insured him?

1:13:10He hasn't got a licence. They haven't fully insured me. There's me on it and there's three other people who drive my company vans. I've got full trader's insurance. Have you got a licence? No. I told them I didn't have a licence. Can they drive without a licence?

1:13:29Peter Bleksley:As far as I'm concerned, no. No. I mean traffic wasn't my bag but I'm utterly convinced that if you haven't got a driving licence you're not insured end of story did you ever see any crashes with people drunk or without licences and causing harm drink drivers yeah I wasn't in uniform very often but in the three or so years that I was in uniform yeah of course what's the worst thing you've ever seen as a police officer well I didn't like the sight of blood funnily enough right never did and still don't. I don't think anyone does. So, no, but there were some people, and I have to say, they have my respect.

1:14:07Peter Bleksley:Some of these traffic cops that literally have to kind of scrape bodies off the road have my respect. That is something that I quite simply couldn't do. They're the ones that are harassing me. Why I couldn't do it. Traffic coppers. But I did go to one particularly unpleasant accident and there were people severely injured in the back. But my colleague, knowing that I'm not great at the sight of blood, you know said to you right sort the traffic out so I went and sorted the traffic out and made sure that a bad situation didn't get worse while he and others got in with the injured parties Jesus obviously you're very anti-authority with the beatings and stuff you're fucking your worst own enemy sometimes but if it was a decent copper would you give them the respect that they deserved somebody that's just saying look Dan you're doing this or would you just think fuck him as well so like I did like the other day when obviously I said that we got pulled over the police officers trying to instigate me to do something and I jumped off when I got grabbed around the corner and there was about four cars of him he said stop I stopped I walked straight back to him he was really sweet and then he had his mate who was a bit jacked up and just wanted to have a tear up he was grabbing me I'm like I'm not making sense you're sweet and he's not but then there was really polite respectful and then just let me on my way after Has it got that good cop bad cop mentality sometimes where that's the part they play That's a trick as old as policing itself, isn't it?

1:15:32I don't even do interviews no more. I literally refuse to be interviewed. Or if I go in there, I just literally say I want legal advice every 10 seconds.

1:15:40Peter Bleksley:Yeah, of course they are. You are perfectly entitled to that, yeah. You're entitled to legal representation and you are perfectly entitled to remain silent during an interview. But after about the fourth one, they go, no, we ain't giving you no more legal advice. And I say, I'm not having an interview. And I say, you're not. And I just bang the alarm. I look back to myself. are literally and the biggest shit for them they must think what the fuck we're glad usually thank you for beating him up would Danny have markers in his name all around the UK no matter where he moved to yeah beyond the police national computer everywhere yeah so wherever you go it's a national computer database so how long would it take to if he started making changes just to question beyond my pay grade would that just be there for fucking eternity really don't know yeah is that then difficult then if you're constantly getting harassed, then where do you, like you say, he's antagonising it as well, so it's like cat and mouse in it, they're both, but like Peter's saying, there's only going to be one outcome.

1:16:35Yeah, but do you know what they do now? So my bank card and the SOS, they try and follow it and get the cameras off. So basically, long short short, I've grasped it up, I don't care. I know the man in the picture garage really well, I go there all the time, every morning. All of a sudden, he told me the other day when I left and I paid on my car the police turned straight up and asked the CCTV to see if I was driving the car of course

1:17:02Peter Bleksley:of course they will but that's just like that's an harassment of course they will but how mad is that like you're checking because I paid on my car so you've flown straight there to see if I was driving but they want to get you but you're going to get six weeks do three I'll be out in three weeks on tag like it's a I'm not even driving I'm not even driving You'll be out in six weeks. If you get six weeks. Twelve weeks, do six, and then you get the tag and show you out in three weeks. So I would literally do three weeks behind the door. But did you not do a sentence there for driving? Huh? Did you not do another sentence just a few months ago for driving?

1:17:37Oh, it was last year, last November, wasn't it? Yeah. But did the sentences not get bigger, though? No, maximum.

1:17:42Peter Bleksley:Again, the sentencing is a matter for the cold stop. Maximum sentence is six months to three. Unless I drove. If you drive off from the police, it's dangerous driving. That's two years. if I was driving I'd put my hand straight up there and then six weeks six months to free give me quickly are you happy to do this sentence just to get try and get one up no I don't drive no I pay a man 100 pound 150 pound a day like I've got an Uber man he comes I insure him in my car and he just drives me around he's a terrible driver but he drives me with the money you've got right and your love of driving okay you don't live a million miles from Brands Hatch no right so why don't you strike up a relationship with one of the many many teams that operate out there because there's you know so many different driving levels from formula ford to you know saloon car driving and all that kind of stuff all these kind of people that want some sort of sponsorship why don't you strike a deal it's local right with one of those teams who would appreciate a bit of sponsorship and then in return you can go down there and thrash it to your heart's content right and then there is no need to feel the urge to jump behind on a wheel.

1:18:51I pay someone now to drive it. Like, I've got an Uberman and I've got another geezer and I just pay him. When I'm near the driver, I pay him. Like, my mate, he's got someone probably£15 an hour. Like, I went to Manchester the other day, went in my car with a driver, happy. Come back 24 hours later, the man, I give the driver£100. Now, that's£100. Now, I've not got to sit on that motorway looking in my rearview mirror at every car. Every slip-on, I've not got to look in my mirror to see if there's a fucking fire to be sitting there.

1:19:18Peter Bleksley:get on a train right it's better for the environment right okay it's got a car he's trying to get some people to like him it's got a toilet on there right have a buffet car so you can go and get yourself a sandwich you know and all that stuff go by a train much better for the environment I drive hardly ever these days because I'm not a fan of driving anymore I just love cars though but yeah but now I pay someone to drive me so honestly I don't see it as a problem do you know what I mean I have no intentions of driving I don't drive I have nice cars I have insurance if James was to drive my car I would just go show me your driving license send a picture to my insurance stay insuring within an hour let's go so yeah what do you think you've robbed Danny over the last five years of people fucking hell a lot I've got one in the pipeline for a meal so I'll be on other numbers do you think with those sort of numbers anybody's ever going to come forward though and I know you've got that they're doing nothing we had the first podcast in a year and a half two years ago no one's done anything has there been any hits no any hits you always hear through the grapevine this fella's gonna do that this fella's gonna do that but we live in a different world as you said years ago you would have been fitted up with a bag years ago you robbed these people they would put a hit on you you would have someone at your door in the bush whatever gonna kill you we live in a different world now if I went down the road and threw an egg at a house I guarantee you by the time I got to the end of the world I'd be nicked you can't commit crime there they're on all phones they're on everything like there's no assassins no more like so no I don't feel like I'm going to be killed well there are but some of them you know sadly tragically are 15 16 and they've got a blade in their hands you know and there are also kids out there which is how the whole hierarchy of criminality has changed so much in my lifetime that's why I don't wear a watch no more yeah yeah exactly I don't every time I've been here every podcast 50 grand 60 grand underground watches Apple Watch thanks why London you can't well am I going to get stabbed up for example your watch 11 grand 12 grand you're going to get stabbed up for it no you're going to hand it straight over but what if he thinks that any movement you've done was wrong and he stabs you is it worth it is it worth 12 grand no is it worth to look a bit flash it's not I'm not risking it at all for someone who robs watches this is what I say to people when like a girl the other day said about watch I was like it's honestly not worth it it's honestly not worth it I am a robber and I'm telling you by no means necessary do not have a watch no it's not worth it if these 15 year old kids are seeing 50 10 20 grand for watches they're gonna stab you up like there's no ifs they come from nothing and they can stab you now and go and sell that watch in.

1:22:18No, thank you. Not for me. Do you think Dan will live past 40? That's largely my concern.

1:22:26Peter Bleksley:Right? You know, that he doesn't, I should say. He doesn't live past 40. You know, if he's on their radar, which he clearly is, I imagine the intense attention that he's often subjected to is not going to subside anytime soon. And saying on this podcast that I've got a bit of graft in the pipeline that's going to draw me a mill, right, is probably only going to ensure that that attention continues. If I was a detective and somebody said to me, I know I'm mixing the old world with the new now, but somebody said to me, right, for the next hour, I want you to sit in front of this and watch this bloke and use that as a start point for plotting some form of detective investigation, not uniform cops, but, you know, detective suitably resourced investigation and we will make the money and resources available.

1:23:26Peter Bleksley:I'd go, okay, and I would think about it and I would do all the things that I've mentioned about the surveillance, technical and traditional, and think about, you know, proceeds of crime down the line if we nick you for a crime of dishonesty or if, you know, involving the tax authorities, and I'd go, well, are you going to write me off for six months or a year to do a proper, proper job on this fella and make sure that he goes behind a door for a long, long time, and we skin him? And if they say, yes, Peter, I'd go, okay, right, let's do it. But don't it have to go to a judge? No. Don't it? No.

1:24:04Oh, I thought, like, to bug phones and that, you had to go to a judge and get a judge of admission.

1:24:08Peter Bleksley:Not yet we don't in this country. Not yet we don't. suitable authorities can be granted by senior police services oh sick yeah so see where you sitting on these podcasts look with Dan and stuff he's finally get bud yeah would anybody ever come forward to you and say what was he like is he true a lot of the stuff that Dan says is for people's hearsay as well let us all smoke mirrors as well try to cover your arse Dan but would anybody ever come forward to you and say what was he like or ask for information well we'll find out after I was going to say I'm not known we'll find out and I'm sure many people will say to me I'm the fucker that's on it yeah if as we get out of here right as we leave I shake your hand right yeah then I put my hand in the pocket right and I've got a wipe in there you know I'm getting your DNA what advice would you have for Dan seriously go straight in the story go straight right he's got talent he's got charm he's got personality he's got contacts and he's got a couple of quid behind him go bloody straight well that was told straight really wasn't it how does it feel being sent across from Peter I know you're running out for it but Peter's a sound guy he's a really nice man he has been trying to give you advice I always treat as I be treated as my dad showed me and literally he's been nothing but polite respectful I couldn't fault him do you know what I mean regardless of his job or whatever it's just not my business he's paid for his life he's paid for his family he's looked after with family, like, job title don't mean anything.

1:25:43It's how you treat people that when I'm different. If a police officer come over to me, pulled me over and was nice, like, oh, just wanted to check you weren't driving, Dan. No problem. Have a good day, officer. And I actually said it to officers the other day. I went, do you know what? I know I'm a cunt to you. I know I take the piss on social media. I know I do all that. But at the end of the day, you do do hard jobs and you do put your life on the line every day. So do you know what? I have got a bit of respect for you. The ones I don't like are the liars that will ring up social services than lie that will be in an interview and say, Mrs Simpson hit me.

1:26:11No, I didn't. Like, tell the truth what happened. You grabbed me, you bent me up, I didn't resist. And you're just saying I resisted. You're lying. Don't lie. Don't try and make something up. They're the police, I can't stand. You would have seen it, Peter, a lot of corrupt coppers. So you can understand why people are against them as well when they're not fully 100 % with their job and behind the badge. Do you know what I mean? Can you understand where the hate comes from as well from some people?

1:26:37Peter Bleksley:Yeah, of course. You know, there are certain people that will always hate the police, no matter what. And there's a silent minority who are actually very pro-police, although that silent majority has been very much affected by all the countless dreadful stories that have been coming out about the police recently. Absolutely appalling stories. And there are inquiries going on. There's a number of investigations going on. And the police have clearly got a problem in certain departments. in certain areas about their culture, their standards, what is acceptable and what's not, and how to clamp down on it.

1:27:15Literally.

1:27:15Peter Bleksley:And I've got some pretty strong thoughts on it, as you can imagine. You know, the police needs to get a grip. I've already spoken about how we should demand a higher level of behaviour from them. Stamping out a perverse culture is really not a difficult thing to do because police are disciplined organisations, and they have a hierarchy. You know, you go from either a chief constable or a commissioner down through all the ranks, then eventually to an inspector, sergeant, and then your PCs or your DCs, right? It is really... So chief constables and the commissioner of the Met actually can really affect the culture of an organisation, even if the people working for that organisation never get to meet that man or woman.

1:28:02Peter Bleksley:They really can have an effect on the culture. And for me, policing is all just about, and it builds a lot on what you've said, Dan, just do the right thing. How difficult is it to do the right thing? You're a police officer. You know what the right thing is. You know that racism, misogyny, homophobia, police brutality, verbal in people, having no integrity, has no place whatsoever in the police service. It's really easy. So there's the door. Now piss off, all part of my language, right? You know what I mean? It's so easy. Do the right thing in everything you do. Do the right thing. That doesn't mean to say you have to be a robot.

1:28:42Peter Bleksley:It doesn't mean to say you can't go home and dance and drink and party and have fun and tell jokes and have a personality. You can bring your personality to work. But, of course, as long as that personality is that of a person who's got integrity, will always challenge people that do the wrong thing, that will whistleblow upon people that do the wrong thing so that policing can get rid of them. 100%. And also, have clean boots, put a comb through your hair and look presentable. I know it's difficult in a stab fest and a hive is. I know that's very difficult. But, you know, do your best. Come on.

1:29:18100%. Like when I got arrested the other day and I was in hospital and they broke my ribs, my head and all that, standing there kicking the bed so I couldn't go to sleep, burping, blowing it in my face. like honestly like that's not how am i ever going to have respect for that when i got to the police station when i got in the van from the hospital uh he said whatever name they are t s g or whatever he said it he said welcome to t s g bang slammed the door shut so i thought no problem when we got to the police station i said i looked at him i went you've got something to say and he went what do you mean i went well you said something when you shut the door so have you got something to say No, I ain't got nothing to say.

1:29:57But hang on, you said something. Now it's all recorded. Repeat it, what you said. He didn't want to repeat it. Long story short, they grabbed me, they went and taken to his cell. Grabbed him. I'm already in an hour, cast, dragged me. As they're dragging me, police officer opened the door. What did I do? Try and ram me into the door. But there's a police officer now around the door. What's the door do? Smack the other police officer in the face. I'm laughing. I'm like,

1:30:16Peter Bleksley:it's all on camera, mate. Now, I couldn't possibly comment on something that may be the subject of an ongoing investigation. You know, I make no apologies for repeating that. But what I will say is that TSG, Territorial Support Group, has a nickname amongst certain police officers, and it's that TSG stands for Thick and Stupid Group. Literally. Not Territorial Support Group. But what I don't understand in that situation, I am who I am, I do what I do, but you've now come to arrest me for that, which I've got NFA for. You've now done that to me. I'm going to remember every face. And as you say, blue or lakes or whatever, now when they're walking with their kids in blue I'm not going to have that regardless of my kids I'm going to run over and fly kick them and then what I go to prison but hang on mate you've done this to me it's just a non-spiral it's just a vicious circle but like Peter's saying the only winner is going to be is the coppers eventually and you're willing to just keep doing what you're doing 100 % if I see any of them coppers walking down the road with their kids obviously it's a podcast I don't really want to go too much into it but there will be violence and in that situation there and then when I see them I will win there and then they will not win they've done that to me they've won at the moment they're 1-0 up but there was 15 20 of them that I remember their faces and it's a small world do you know what I mean what's your prediction for Danny won't be alive by 40 it's it's not a prediction it's a plea it's a real plea because you know James you've met him a number of occasions and I've only met Danny a day there is a large part of Danny that you just can't help but like.

1:31:56Peter Bleksley:Right? Exactly. Okay? You know? So it's a plea. Just go straight. You know, just bin it all off. Be a straight runner. There is no shame in being a straight runner who provides and loves his family. I love being straight. There is no shame in that. No, honestly, I do. It's what actually, in my eyes, makes a proper man. Okay? Be a straight runner, provide for your family, love them to the ends of the earth every day it's like back to what you said about the best month the best pand yeah is the pand you grafted for yeah and I love it like like we said before telling kids to get go straight go school get a good job and all that that's what I love like going to work providing for my kids like when I pay my boys their wages all the people that work for my company I have my kids there and when I go bang bang bang here's your money your wages your wages I go to my kids do you know what I mean that on a Friday is the best I might be broke from Friday to Monday but doing the wages knowing that they're going to pay for their family their kids and all that and then my little kids they give them their little wages like that's the best thing then as you said before as we said before go in and do a crime go in and do a robbery go in and do this because you've got to look off your shoulder every 10 seconds I'm deeply envious I think it must be wonderful to be able to employ people and help them support their families and all that I'm deeply envious on that front but there you go you've got a talent for doing that use it right don't worry and then you'd be surprised how quickly the old bill will melt away you know once you get yourself it's been 32 years once you get yourself you know off of that off of that hit list it's not a hit list of course it's not but you know what I honestly feel once you get yourself off their radar and you become yesterday's news there'll be somebody else to fill the game but I honestly feel like since I've changed it up now robbing the bad guys on that, yeah?

1:33:52They've been on me more than they ever was when I was doing armed robberies. Like, and because of what? My lifestyle. Because I'm driving down the road in a nice car. Because, but, it's irrelevant. It's bad people's money. Does that make sense? And you're on me now. When I used to do armed robberies, I used to literally just see a car drive past, all of a sudden, he's got a book in his thing. The observation's in. That's all I used to see. now it's getting pulled over every day every day babe mum's ringing me just got pulled over four police cars this that social services i'm like what the fuck is going on like and i'm not doing anything me robbing a drug dealer or taking a watch of a of a bad guy i don't go there physically i'm robbing i call on a deal when i just blag them do you know i mean just a blag now the police are on me more for that than anything.

1:34:44But bearing in mind it's not a crime because they're not going to report it. They're not a straight person like James. They're a bad person. So they're not going to go to the police and go, Danny Simpson robbed my watch. How did you get the watch? Uh, uh. Sold drugs for the last 20 years. Do you know what I mean? They can't. So, why are they on me now so much? Do you know what I mean? And the thing is, for no reason. It's mad. Do you think Danny brings a lot on himself.

1:35:12Peter Bleksley:Well, he's admitted to antagonising. Yeah, definitely. You've not been listening, James. He only has himself to blame in that regard, doesn't he? Literally. But that is a crime though, isn't it? No matter what, if you're planning to meet someone and taking whatever they've got off them. You know, to offend someone, to antagonise someone, it's not necessarily a crime, right? But I'm afraid Dan's got himself on their radar and it's going to take quite a bit of effort to get off it. But you can do it. It's entirely in Dan's hands. Well, I'm taking steps now. I'm not driving. I'm not doing them things.

1:35:50I mean, I'll be honest, I have. And at the end of the day, like you said, you pop up on the blinker. I don't pop up on the blinker if I change my numb plates. Do you know what I mean? So there's ways and ways around it. I don't do any of it no more. You pay this person and I don't have to change plates. Pay£60 for a pair of plates. All of a sudden, oh, I think I went past a speed camera. oh let me change the plates again I ain't got to do that just pay him to drive me I haven't got to look in the mirror I haven't got to do anything there you go you seem a bit deflated now Peter I think you come in here with good intentions wanting to plant a few seeds in Danny's mind I'm not deflated in the slightest

1:36:25Peter Bleksley:you can only lead a horse to water you can't make it drink it you can't make it drink and I've so in that regards my conscience is clear I've done my bit he did that I don't commit a crime and that's the main thing do you know what I mean and if I bump into you in blue water we're going to have a coffee yeah on me well on hang on hang on proceeds are crying I better get me home Dan before we finish up Peter Lapp any words of advice for Dan yeah again I think I've said it many times many many times and it's been a joy meeting him it really has you know you've got talent use it go straight you think that was a good looking fella for anybody that's watching Danny Boy like for anybody that's maybe wanting to get involved in a life of crime you've been in and out your whole life but what advice would you have for them it's not worth it honestly as we said prison it's just a waste of time and as Peter said literally it goes like that like your life so it's honestly it's honestly not worth it one day in the real world it's not worth fucking anything else like literally be there for your family your kids everyone because that place that 4x4 cell when you're on your own you're literally with no one nothing all your friends that you think are your mates and they're there for you second you're in there and they shut that door your mates haven't picked up the phone so honestly it's not worth it so you can understand that but even though when you're talking there's some bits not playing the victim but there's some bits you think just fucking stop that and then it would like you say the coppers would melt off but maybe you'll watch back one day and go do you know what fucking hell yeah but right now you've still got that I can see you're trying to change, I believe you will make changes but there's still that bit of there where there's still hatred towards someone who's hitting you, beating you up but it's both sides isn't it it's both sides to blame when it comes to trying to change but something you need to then take full control and go do you know what, forget, not saying they've won but just for your own life to better your own life is just dealing with it and trying to it's not, how do you then if you've got anti-authority and trying, it's not as if you want to let them win but it's a case of you need to stop before you need to grow up yeah you're a long time dead don't waste this short and precious life just don't waste don't waste lads listen thoroughly enjoyed that conversation today couple of good guys man Danny listen take care