Exposing Rolf Harris - Suzi Dent Tells All

36:44My dad died six months before. My husband was going through – he was really angry. He was going through depression and had huge anger management problems at the time. So he was supportive and not supportive. So I was kind of really alone. I was really lucky I got to take a girlfriend with me The cops paid for me, the British police And I believe because Ralph Harris lost it He paid for me to come over and help put him in jail But it was heavy Yeah, so you're not just doing it for the young girl Who came forward through a palace You're also doing it for the young girl who you were And is that when it brought everything to the surface From 12, 20, 23 And trying to shed light Because the most important thing is speaking about it and it's the hardest fucking thing though.

37:30So say when you decided to go forward, were you ever in your mind that nobody would believe you? Oh, totally. I didn't think anybody believed me at all. I thought that because he had a position of power and because he was really famous and he painted the Queen and, you know, rich, famous, powerful men get away with shit all the time. So, you know, I came forward but I didn't actually believe that they would manage to actually get him into court. But I was coming forward anyway and I literally came forward for the woman that I saw on screen and then I found out from the British police that there were dozens of women that came forward, dozens from all over the world, some of whom were like really young girls when he assaulted them.

38:12And then so when I first met him and he first touched me and I turned around to that mirror and was shocked that he worked with children, I was right because I saw him and I saw inside him when I looked into his eyes, you know. so I um I was even more grateful that I was that I'm this strong woman that came forward to support these other women who were little girls and I think when we do come forward for other people uh in life and we don't just do things for ourselves we're so much more powerful when we're doing things for others and I got I got so much healing out of it that I had no idea I would get when I came forward after the court case and that he was actually found guilty um you know i stood up in court um talking about i started talking about my knickers because back then because he kept shoving his hand up my shorts uh and back then was the beginning of the g-string you know so he had two triangles the triangle at the front triangle back and a piece of elastic that pretty much go around your waist so he would keep trying to push his hand further and further up my leg because he couldn't feel my knickers um and i talked to the court about this and I made the jury laugh because I'm a funny chick, you know.

39:24So, you know, I'm in court and I was told not to look at him by my cop. The funny thing was I was actually smuggled into court because, like, there was press everywhere. It was the biggest court case in the world. And right next to the doors is a broom cupboard. So the irony did not escape me that I'm waiting to go into court standing in a fucking cupboard again with a cop and my girlfriend, you know. And he told me not to look at him at all. He said, just look at the lawyers, you know, the barrister's lawyers, the judge and the jury. He said, don't look at him. And I'd been in the courtroom in lunchtime.

39:57I'd been taken in there by the court guy, which was great and it was empty. So I got to see the huge perspex cage, like it was like a cage that he was in with a big trestle table and there was paperwork and shit on it and this chair that he was sitting on. And he told me where everybody was going to be sitting and where all the microphones everywhere. They're all over the floors. They're everywhere. I got to stand in the witness box and, you know, ask me, you know, what if I wanted to swear on the Bible and all that. And then when I did go in there, it was packed, like wall-to-wall people, absolutely packed.

40:33And I did what I was told because I did say to the guy, I said to my cop, he shook, I can't walk past him and do that. He said, no, Susie, don't. And I think he kind of thought I might have done it. But when I was finished, at the end of my testimony, Only his lawyer or barrister called me, it was a woman, she called me a liar. I put it to you that you're lying. And I'm so gobsmackingly honest that that was like a real insult and I understand that was her job and I also understand that that's what she did to everybody. I did find out later that there was a New Zealand woman who was like live via satellite who lost her chops when she was called a liar and abused the crap out of her and I thought, well, there you go.

41:15you got that me i'm standing there and um i snorted with derision and i couldn't snort now if you paid me like seriously it surprised the shit out of me that i actually snorted after being called a liar because it's really um it's a lot of responsibility you know standing in court telling your truth in front of the world um and you i didn't i had no preconceived ideas of what sentence he should have because that's not my job my job was to tell the truth about my day and that's what I did. The fact that I made the jury laugh just because that's who I am as a person. And then you're called a liar and then literally it was my turn to get off the stand.

41:58So when I did get off the stand, the only person I looked at was him because I'd been really good up to then. And I looked at him and I looked at him as I walked down the aisle and I glared at him the entire time. I looked at nobody else. It's called a stare down. I didn't know I had to look it up later. I glided him all the way out. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT.

42:35Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. And he turned his entire body around. He did not make eye contact with me once. Is that Carol? Ha, yeah. All the press behind him. My girlfriend was watching all of this happen. They were going mental writing in their little books, right?

43:17I was just completely focused on, you know, glaring at him and watching him turn away from me. And I kept walking and I grabbed my bag and I said to my girlfriend, let's go. Now the court doors, they're quite thick, right? So I've got a bit of a pace going because at the time the emotions were starting to come out. I was halfway between being really fucked off and really upset. So it was all just coming out of me and I needed to get out of there, you know, to keep my cool. And I shoved the door thinking that it was really heavy, not heavy. And there's two doors and I've got a pace on and I shoved this door and it hits the wall, bang, bang, and the whole courtroom like jumps twice on.

43:57Susie Dent has left the building, you know. So I made quite an impact when I left and then as soon as I got out of there, one of the cops came running after me so I wouldn't go the wrong way because by then I started to get upset. And then I find myself in this little room surrounded by police. I fucking didn't lie. I'm fucked. That's fucked. I'm fucked. I'm fucking this. I'm fucking that. And someone bought me a cup of tea so I could chill the fuck out. And then Gary Pankhurst came and he stood in front of me and he took my hand and he said to me, well done. He said, you did really good, Susie.

44:28We're really proud of you. And I'm just like, oh, fuck, okay. How many people actually came forward to expose him? There was ten of us. There was four women who actually were the little girls, so he was sexually assaulted, and there were six bad character witnesses who'd also one man who had worked with him as he was presenting on a show in Australia. He was presenting on a show and this guy was the audience warm-up guy or something like that. and the other women had all been assaulted by him in some way, shape or form. How was it seeing Rolf Harris in the courtroom that day for the first time after so many years?

45:07Well, I'd never bothered to look at him. Whenever he came on the screen, I just, you know, I turned it off. I never followed his career. I didn't give a shit. But when I did actually look at him and he was there, I couldn't help myself but glare at him like I couldn't help myself. I can't tell you what I was thinking except that I was full of emotion, anger and upsetness of being called a liar. And my actions were headlines around the world. Australian, my favourite headline, which I loved, was Australian television make-up artist dramatically stares down Rolf Harris in court. That's why I had to look up stare down.

45:47I thought, yeah, sheep, that was me. I wasn't supposed to tell many people. but my friends in Australia who knew what I was doing were following obviously and they're like yeah girl Susie so um but I was really pleased that I had such strong headlines um for the other women who hadn't come forward for all the dozens of women that weren't chosen to be put to be part of the case by the judge for the women that were part of the case one woman had to stand behind a blanket uh she couldn't eyeball him at all so I was glad I knew they'd see these headlines and I hope that um that my strength of character would give them the strength to keep going because even then we didn't know whether we were going to win or whether it was just going to be whatever a complete waste of time but we all knew that he was um not a good person because we'd all had our own physical moments with him um but we did win so how would how did the press treat him the media would anybody support him?

46:46Was anybody trying to? It was interesting because back then we still lived in what was called the society of disbelief. So there was millions of people around the world that were getting their Susie hate on. You know, we're all liars. I was a liar. You know, even his brother came out and called me a liar, you know, front page headlines and I'm a liar and I thought, fuck off. And I thought, yeah, well, I put you in my testimony, mate, and that you didn't see it so I actually had your back so maybe you should have read it first. And he's saying things like, oh, if I had seen that happen, you know, I would have stopped him.

47:18It's like, well, you didn't and you were there and nobody did. So it was a lot of, there was a lot of hatred, a lot of disbelief because Rolf Harris was a national treasure of England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, many, many countries. I actually, in one of the documentaries I'm in that I watched, He was named one of the top five entertainers of like our generation. That's like massive, you know. I only realised recently I was a bit bigger than I thought he was. So there was people, they were full of disbelief and I had only come forward for the money of which I had not been offered any, nor would I have taken it.

48:00I only came forward, I'm lying, we're all lying because there's no way Rolf Harris would have done that. And the reason is that people believe what they saw on TV and they'd watched him from when they were young and they'd let their children watch him from when they were young and they'd invited him into their homes with this trust. I used to watch the plaque. Of course. We all did. We all did. You know, it's what's called hiding in plain sight, you know. And he worked with children all the time. So as a society, not just in this country but in several countries, society was in shock that they'd been duped by this man, you know, and they felt guilt and shame that they'd liked him and that they'd loved him and that they wanted to be on his show when they were kids.

48:51So it wasn't just about us coming forward. Us coming forward changed the world and exposing Roelph Harris really changed the world and the society that we lived in for the better. So naivety was stolen And that's a good thing Or taken away I think people became a lot less naive About what they watched on television It's mad though All those sick individuals Now I don't want to upset anybody But anybody who works with kids Especially male I've got to question them now Because I've interviewed so many people And you never think Because Jimmy Savile you look at And you just think sex case wrong and you, I do anyway but nowadays people, they can hide, they can pituit and I've interviewed the undercover paedophile who went deep undercover for 20 years they don't just groom kids, paedophiles are not there to groom the kids, they'll groom the parents first, the parents think they're a good guy the parents will let them push the boundaries with the kids and that's the sad thing, it's your kids, do not let them go with anybody else, don't let them steal over with anybody else, Cub Scouts, football and it's hard because you want your kids to live their life but there's so much fucking badness on in this world and so many kids take their own life because they've been abused as kids and are too scared to come forward because of what people will judge them and like Jimmy Savo and Ralph Harris and who else have we got?

50:19Gary Glitter loved Gary Glitter the music when I was younger. There's some heavy names and they all worked with the same company and it's not necessarily because people slate the BBC and I get it they're covering up for pedophiles they're actually, it's not meaning they're all sex cases that work in these big corporations, but what happens is if these people get exposed and they're their main guy who's working on the mainstream, what happens is they lose sponsors, they lose credibility, so they'll do as much as they can to cover it up and discredit yourself and discredit survivors and discredit everybody else to come forward, listen, you'll lose your kids, you'll lose your job, so people are too scared.

50:55And we've got a lot of shit with Philip Schofield, I know you don't really want to touch in because you don't know the information, but again, a man who worked with kids, a man who, listen, if he's had sex with somebody who's over 16, then that's nobody else's business, but it's the lies to his wife for over 20 years. It's knowing his brother was a paedophile and covering it up. There's so much more to these things. And you see people coming out and giving statements, leave him alone, it's mental health. But if it is the case that he's grooming kids from a young age, then he's a fucking wrongian.

51:22Nobody should be caring about his mental health. fuck them and that goes for royal fantasies but did you see the power that they had the protection that people were trying to sweep under the carpet did you see this with your own eyes you seen it straight away when it was happening people were turning a blind eye but did you see it even more once you started to realise how dark the world can be it's funny it's funny that you mentioned the BBC because I was actually discovered the day after I went to court by the BBC by this female producer and she hounded me to be on a show with the BBC. Because I worked in television for such a long time, she contacted me via email and I thought, oh, this will be fun.

52:06I want to see how far you go with this because I've seen other people, people who don't know how TV works and they don't know how abusive the press can be and how manipulative and they get sucked into it like the girl I saw on A Current Affair. And I thought, I want to see how far they go. so she took me on a fun little ride of they wanted to do a full-on TV show with me. My name, they give you a fake name, SD was my initials. Oh, geez, that's really creative, isn't it? So, you know, she found me. She would have found my CV. So she got as far as wanting to do a show with me, blank out my face, get someone else to have an accent and then one day she actually called me, lied through her back teeth and told me that my name had been released in court and that release spun me out because my kid was 12 at the time um my husband was you know having mental health issues uh i i i had the federal police the britain the from brisbane in queensland i had the fed's number to two mobile numbers so i could call them if the press actually turned up on my doorstep so my kid and my husband wouldn't be freaked out and for a whole weekend i couldn't and get on to the cop that had been allocated to me because he was on a long weekend with his family.

53:25So for a whole weekend I'm like scouring. I'm on the internet looking for where my name's been actually released. And then I spoke to my husband and he said, she's lying, she's lying. And she was lying. But that was really wrong of her and that was the BBC. It's interesting, isn't it, how far they'll go. So I was quite a – I wasn't really aware of other pedophiles and things that went on. I think – and having worked in television, you know, and for like Home and Away, I was very aware from a very young age how manipulative the press can be, you know. So the kids – and they were kids working on Home and Away.

54:06If they were standing together on a step, No Idea, which is a magazine called New Idea, we'd call it No Idea, they would print that they were actually lovers and we would just piss ourselves every Monday morning, piss ourselves laughing, going, okay, who have you been doing this weekend? Because they would just put whatever photos they wanted and say whatever they wanted. I don't think, I think the laws may be a little bit better now, but maybe not. So I'm very aware that a lot of the stuff that we read is not true. Yeah, because the media kill people with the things it says. I think they've loosened it a little bit.

54:37They need to be more careful. But back in the day, Paul Gascoigne, famous footballer, had him on the podcast. he turned to alcohol, one of the greatest footballers of all time, but at his peak he was unbelievable and turned to the drink. But he was actually sober, he was in rehab, but what the press used to do was leave empty bottles of vodka outside his door, bang his door, fuck off round the bin, and then when he came to the door he used to pick them up and he used to take photos, Paul Gascoigne back in alcohol, he'd lose sponsorship deals, he'd lose businesses, because they thought he was a drink again, that's how.

55:08But back then you're getting 50 grand, 100 grand for a front page story. and then these people go and kill themselves don't they yeah they kill people you know we've what we've um i've um you know people that i've worked with in the past they've been completely bullied and they've been bullied to death by press by by people thinking the wrong things i never read any negative press about me um uh did you worry about that though no But you seem like a tough fucker anyway. I'm a tough fucker. You know what I mean? Because obviously probably the shit you went through as a kid with your mum and other stuff that's happened.

55:39Yeah, it does. It gives you thick skin. Yeah, you kind of realise. And you kind of stand by yourself in the world. I certainly wasn't used to running home to mummy and daddy. I was used to standing on my own, you know. And that was a good thing. But yeah, no, I didn't read it. If you don't read it, you don't see it, you know. How long did the court case last? It was months. It went on for months. It felt like ages. Was that a lot of pressure on your life? No. I stayed here for a month because Australia's a long way away and went, you know, had little adventures with my girlfriend and wandered around London and went to France for four days.

56:18But even the whole time, oh, yeah, so when the BBC woman found me, a week later I was contacted every single day, several times a day by about 30 different press from around the world. radio, newspapers, television shows, Channel 7 in Sydney. I was like, seriously? Do you think I'm going to talk to you? It was interesting. That got a little bit stressful. I would answer the phone with, is this call being recorded? So I got really quite cluey. But you have to be on your toes all the time because you never know who's going to ring you, whether they're going to find you, if they find your phone, you know.

56:57So I was really glad that I had my friend with me. And the police said that, you know, you'll need a support person and they were right because if I had been on my own I would have, you know, probably gone to different places in my head. They're really spun out. So that was, you know, it was interesting and I didn't, I said all along to all of them I'm not giving my story. I don't wish to be the poster girl for groping. I'm not going to give you a story. The answer is no. And I knew exactly what would happen to me. they have photographs of me when I was 23 what my legs look like what I look like back then and I know what people do they look at me then and go was she fuckable then and I look at you now and I was like 50 51 at the time is she fuckable now would I fuck her you know is she is she doable um so consequently do I believe that Rolf Harris might have touched her up and that's how people in society look at you and other women came forward after the court case after we won.

57:58There was like two women. One lady was on one of your morning shows. You guys had a run of having morning shows from a bed and she was on a breakfast on a bed show and she'd interviewed Ralph Harris and she came forward to the press and she was a larger lady and she was completely vilified and ripped to shreds because it was like, well, I wouldn't do you, so I don't believe he would have touched you. And I knew that's what would happen. I knew it wouldn't necessarily happen to me like that, but I knew that that's what the mindset would have been. That was unpleasant to know that that was going to happen.

58:32That's why, I mean, I had no intention of coming forward anyway. And at the very end the police came forward to me and they said, are you sure you don't want to speak to our publicity department and come forward? I'm like, no, because this is not about me. This is about the women who were little girls who had their lives changed. My life, I wouldn't say my life changed. It didn't affect my sex life. I became very mouthy though. and I would say fuck off to any man that came near me that I didn't want to come near me. He was the last man that ever touched me without me wanting to. And I did really, I suppose it did change me.

59:06I didn't wear a dress. I wasn't wearing a dress then. I stopped wearing dresses for 30 years. I just completely wore baggy clothes the whole time. I really did feel like I moved through life much safer like that. I couldn't change my face and I'm glad about that. I'm grateful that I look nice and I'm grateful that I look nice now and then I completely changed my life at the age of 55 you're gonna like this um I put it out to the universe that I wanted to be in front of the camera for a change I used to sing in rock band so I'm a singer I'm so quite happy with the microphone and I got this message you gotta be careful what you wish for with the universe and this woman contacted me she'd seen my photo and she said we think you'd be a really a good contender for the Mrs Earth Australia beauty quest.

59:52Pissed myself laughing and fell off the bed, you know. And I got back in touch with her and I said, thank you, darling, you've like made my month. But I'm like I'm nearly 55. I don't wear high heel shoes and I don't wear dresses. And she said, no, no, women your age are doing this. And I checked them out and they supported a charity which collected new and new shoes for people around the world. And I thought I realised that I was having my own sliding doors moment. Life was very unhappy with my husband back then. Like I was, you know, like really unhappy. It was not good. And I really wanted to change my life.

1:00:25I really wasn't happy with where I was going. And as a make-up artist I've made women look beautiful my entire life and watched them wear beautiful gowns that I felt really I couldn't actually wear and I thought I don't want to be 70 and never experience what it's like to actually wear a gown and look really beautiful and feel okay. so I said yes to the most out there left field thing about being a beauty queen which was so outside my comfort zone but I pushed through all this stuff and I started wearing dresses and talking about shoes and going and speaking as a motivational speaker and talking about shoes and I collected tons of shoes and raised heaps of awareness I like to say I built I built my self-esteem one frock at a time uh and then I got a gown made for me I enter anyway I went down to I won.

1:01:12So I won the first Mrs Earth Australia. I beat women who I could have given birth to, which was super cool. You know, I found myself three months later in Vegas representing Australia with 36 other women from around the world. Some of whom I swear must've been born with, you know, high heel shoes on. I had to learn how to walk in six inch, I call them hooker heels, nothing against hookers, six inch heels, right. So it makes me six foot, a long way down. You You know, I didn't want to face plant the stage. So for like two weeks I'd stand on my carpet at the end of my bed, just stand, try and get my balance.

1:01:44And then I'd look like a Thunderbird when I walked because I'm used to wearing runners and orthotics don't fit in, you know, in high heel shoes. So I taught myself how to wear shoes. I threw myself into the pageant industry. I studied the pageant industry in America. I got my posture back on. I got my girl back on and I came third in the world and came home to Stacks of Press, the 55-year-old tomboy to beauty queen, ended up inspiring women to change their lives. I built my self-esteem to the high levels that my confidence was already at. It was quite amazing. When I was actually here in 2014, I had this huge kind of healing inside the walls of Stonehenge, which is where I feel all my relatives were with me, all my ancient, all these spirits were with me in 2014.

1:02:31I had this like healing. I cried bucket loads of tears. And I looked like I looked younger after that. I'd like offloaded all this stuff from going to court. When I was saying earlier that I'd had this healing and it was so unexpected, you know, I grieved my dad. I got rid of anger I felt to my mother. I learned about I forgave myself because forgiveness is the gift we give ourselves, not others. I forgave every man that ever assaulted me. I just let it all go. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self.

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1:04:36I came for three weeks and decided to stay for six months because I feel that this is where I belong and I feel a lot of ties here because I'm a first-generation Australian. And I've had a lot of press lately, which is great, and I've been able to since he died, Rolfie, people have asked me how I felt. and I've managed to control the narrative a little bit and talk about his wife and his daughter and the fact that we have to think about them just like Philip Schofield. We have to think about his daughters and his wife and the people that are attached to them and whether they knew that dad was gay or that hubby was gay or whether they didn't.

1:05:15And we tend to forget about the people that are related to these people that turn into monsters in society. We have to be really mindful I feel of others around us so I've been able to make my story about healing and forgiveness and I'm kind of really grateful in a way I feel like life chose me in 1986 to have a bad day with a dirty old man so I could be this strong boofy chick in court uh and use my voice uh and come out and and help take a bad man down change society do all this stuff I had no idea I was doing when of came forward and I've had many, many women and men reach out to me over the years to not just say thank you but to share their stories of assault and that is a humbling thing for someone to trust you enough, to share their journey with you because the only way we heal is when we speak and when people speak for the first time of being sexually assaulted, that's the beginning of their healing journey and that's what these sort of things are all about.

1:06:18This is why we have to keep speaking this is why what you're doing in your podcast and you're talking to people who are speaking to you about being sexual assaulted sexually assaulted that's why it's so important because you're helping people heal and you'll help getting emotional again you're helping people on their healing journey and that's a really big deal like you're telling stories and some of the stories and the interviews that you have like my story is sensational and it was really huge and other people's stories are huge but the more they speak the more they start to heal and that's so important because life is so fucking short when you get there.

1:06:52And that's the thing about life, I always say this, but talking about it as the healing process, you must face it to heal it, you must face it to own it. And no matter if it's good or bad, you've got to face it. If you run away from it, it's still going to be there and it's always going to get worse and worse and worse. A friend of mine calls it the parasite. You must face it, talk about it, kill the parasite, kill that fucking negative vibe, that internal pain that you've got. and the only way you can do that is by facing it, talking to it, hearing it and owning it. And that's the sad thing because a lot of people don't know how to handle trauma and pain.

1:07:26And we've all come through trauma in my life. Everybody has got different levels of trauma. So even you're going through the court case and all those innocent girls, innocent women, even innocent men, see when he got his verdict, did you know the outcome or did you have to wait till you've seen it on the news? I know. I was actually the first person that called me was the BBC reporter. I was at home in Australia. It was about midnight. I knew it was happening that day, so I was kind of like awake-ish. And then the cops called me a little bit after her. But she called me so she could get a statement, the statement that she'd been hounding me for for ages.

1:07:58So pretty much my statement was congratulations to the police for a job well done. And what was going to fill your mind once you got a guilty? Fuck yeah.

1:08:08And is that when you felt, did you feel a relief or was it that moment of a stone? No, I felt absolute relief. I felt so proud of the women who came forward that were little girls. I felt so proud of all of us that we took on not just him but we took on the world in a way, that we'd pushed through it, that we'd all been brave and that we'd had a really good outcome, you know, and because some of the women who are part of the case, they have not waived their anonymity. I did that in 2019. What made you do that? um the me too movement happened in 2017 what i like to call the biggest healing movement for women that the world has ever seen where many victims of sexual assault actually put the hashtag me too on their social profile which for many many women was the first time they ever admitted that they've been sexually assaulted some of them and are women that i know um put it on and then felt shame and pulled it off uh you know because there's a lot of people that need a lot of healing but four out of five women and i think two out of five men are sexually assaulted in their lifetime so it's a big deal for many of us so in 2019 England going ahead and leaps and bounds with changes in in in business and in society the USA New Zealand all doing really well unfortunately Australia which is still a misogynistic country really had not and we had other court cases happening again in the entertainment industry that I like to call the circus because there's no H &R department in my industry there is in other industries so if happens to you there isn't really anyone that you can go to and complain to there isn't big unions that'll back you or anything like that uh so there were men coming forward and people coming forward saying they'd been assaulted and money was winning and it pissed me off a bit so I came forward because I was ready uh I'd gone through my Mrs Earth thing my self-esteem and my self-confidence were really high so I you know I found my true authentic self I had my voice I'd found my voice and I wanted to use it and I wanted to try and change the defamation laws in my country.

1:10:13But what I really wanted to do was give Australia a wake up, that this all started with us in 2013 with Hey Dad and with the Ralph Harris thing in 2014, that I wanted to remind Australia that there was Australians that had come forward to change the world and that we needed to keep going and we needed to keep talking about things and to keep the conversation going. Because with anything, As long as we keep the conversation going, that's when change is going to happen. And we're dealing with a generational mindset from, you know, Rolf Harris was, what, 93 when he died. And the men that were taken down by Operation Newtree were older, the older generation, my parents and older generation.

1:10:53And they're finally dying off, you know. But they have still passed this mindset on to their kids and their sons and their daughters to believe that, oh, well, you just have to cop this sort of behaviour. So we're breeding it out. it's being aged away um and these things don't happen quickly you know uh you can't really if you can't like i don't think you can if you're in a conversation with someone and they say the wrong thing and you bite their head off you're not helping them stop it has to be handled in a in a in a mature way coming from a place of kindness you don't um what's the way to put it um you don't really affect someone's dignity when you're talking to them you don't ridicule them that, hey, you're saying the wrong thing, mate, you know, get with it, this is 2023.

1:11:37That's not going to help anything. Having a discussion like we're doing and continuing this conversation about how men should act, how women should act and how society is now and we don't play touchy-feelys anymore is how we make change. Yelling and screaming about it doesn't work. Having proper conversations does, you know, and talking about it on a corporate level. I know there's a lot of confusion around how people should behave and there was a lot of confusion with the Me Too movement, which was again changed by, no offence, by men to make it into something that it wasn't when really it was women standing up for themselves and being heard.

1:12:17The thing with the Rolf Harris court case, it was the first time in history and those cases with Operation Newtree that women from historical sexual crimes had been listened to and heard and action had been taken. that's what changed society that we'd actually been heard and believed How do men get educated? Because we're living in a society where some people are just uneducated and boundaries and that's the sad thing because people can push and push and push where they've crossed the mark, so how do young kids, young boys, because porn is a massive thing in this planet where I think 60 or 70 % of the stuff that's watched online is porn and it's all free and it's fucking with young kids' minds male and female, but porn as they're a depressant, it grains the amygdala in the brain, it makes you depressed and I think people can see women as objects instead of actually seeing the beauty and seeing the finer things.

1:13:11As I've got older and the people I speak to, I start understanding life and understanding people and different roles and how people should be playing like men, they build a world women create it, we're giving life the most important thing on the planet, that both roles are just as equally as important as each other, but how do men be more educated what do you think needs to be put in place for kids and men to understand that fucking hell it's changed days where things back then might have been more accepted than it is now with porn just in general in general with porn men have to women know that porn is fake women know that they don't actually like having sex the way that it's portrayed like that you know women know that they like to have they like to be with a man and make love they don't like to be fucked the way that porn portrays.

1:14:01Porn portrays women as objects, like you said, and it portrays a way of having sex that's really not acceptable. So men need to be educated and boys need to be educated if they're into porn. I have no problem with porn. Porn is great to masturbate to, but like you said, it changes. It changes your brain chemistry and it changes who you are. And then when young men do get with a woman and they think that that's how they're supposed to have sex, and they're in for a rude surprise when the girl's just like, you're not fucking doing that to me, you know. He could, no, I'm not going to touch you. And then he's weird but he doesn't know why because he's been educated and brought up on porn.

1:14:38I think we need to really educate. And it starts at school. In Australia now in school they're talking about consent. They're teaching kids about consent and teaching about boundaries, you know. My child, he's 21, and when he was at school, basically his friends, you know, for them giving head to a guy wasn't actually sex. And I'm just like, yeah, but is he giving you head? Is it reciprocal? No. I was like, well, you're not really having sex then. He's getting more than you are. But they were like, oh, it's not sex. So they have to be educated. Boys and girls need to be educated. Sex is sex. Intimacy is intimacy.

1:15:18I'm not saying they have to be virgins until they're married because that was the whole other thing of, you know, really screwing with people. We have to understand how to communicate and sex is a big thing with men and women and there's sex and there's making love and they're two different things and porn is just, it's a thing that's used and we need to be just like the actors on TV, just like watching Rolf Harris not be the person that he really is. we have to understand that it's not how sex really is and it's not really that's not going to be the way that's going to be enjoyable there's a lot more female porn out there now there's a lot more female directors now actually uh you know creating porn that's more um feminine friendly uh because basically the porn industry was run by men for a while and it was um violent really towards women and aggressive a lot of aggressive sex are now we find there's a lot more porn out there that's more female friendly.

1:16:16Even 78 % of porn knows abuse. Oh, it's all abuse, really. So you're watching abuse. Yeah, you are. I mean, you are female, so that's the thing with the mind. You're absorbing that. It's going to eventually fuck you up. So maybe we make porn harder to actually get in touch with. It should be, but why is it free? Because of the damage it does in the human brain. Well, then why is it free? Exactly, it's a big corporation, isn't it? But somebody has to be making money somewhere, don't they? Yeah. Because if it's free to the public, somebody has to have paid for it. Someone has to pay for the production.

1:16:47Someone has to pay the actors. Someone's paying for it somewhere and someone's making money out of it somewhere. So there you go. So we stop advertising on porn. So the big businesses are the ones that have to be stopped. Too much money though. That's where you go with the money. The world's drowned. And that's it. So it's all and it's always about money. This is why Rolf Harris wouldn't be stopped because it was about advertising revenue. It was all about money and it's all about money. but what price to society, like you've said, for the few that make money to the many that get harmed? It's mad to show how this mainstream media can spin the narrative though and portray these people as good, innocent family man.

1:17:26Did they have kids, Ralph Harris? They have what? Did they have kids? Who? Ralph. I mean, he had a daughter. She had a daughter? He had a daughter, Mindy. Yeah, and she would have been very affected like this, like his wife would have been, you know. And the thing is the big kicker with Rolf Harris is that he was sexually abusing her best friend in their home and groomed her from when she was a little girl. And the documentary that I'm in at the moment, Rolf Harris hiding in plain sight on ITVX, she's actually come forward through her psychiatrist. She still hasn't waived her anonymity but he talks about what her journey was like with him and how she felt.

1:18:12And she might never come forward. And that's fine because that's fine. How many victims do you actually think he's... He had dozens all over the world. Maybe hundreds there. Could, yeah. Yeah, I know dozens and dozens came forward. There was a second court case and dozens more came forward. And I'm still... Look, the other day I was in a television studio and the makeup artist, she actually came out to me and told me she was assaulted by him and she was working with him as well. But you don't say anything because they're stars and you're kind of like you don't think of it. Women of a certain age are not educated in a way to think of a certain type of groping to be sexual assault.

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Order on the Sweetgreen app. then I was like what sweetheart you know I'm not going to do anything How did you get through it all from you're a kid and the abusive household kind of dysfunctional to try and kick on and be something in your life you've kind of went on and stood on your own feet to then be getting abused again by some fucking dirty old pervert and then you've bottled it up for 30 years your marriage you struggled with that with the mental health that what do you think it's gave you the strength to then still have a smile on your face to still try and kick on and do stuff with your life what do you think that was i think it was probably my inner fortitude my faith in myself um uh my ability to be have a smile on my face i'm kind of um i live my life with gratitude i'm thankful every day and i start my day being gratitude i'm grateful for being here I'm grateful for things when you live a life and you've got gratitude at the beginning middle and end of it uh you can it gives you the ability to deal with things if you wallow in things and you let your mind go to places that they shouldn't uh then that's when it can really hurt you a lot of people need counseling you know uh or coaching there was there wasn't anybody like that when I was a little girl and I just kept it all to myself because I knew that I wouldn't be believed but it did affect my life you know so basically I hated my boobs so much that I ended up cutting them off so I had a breast reduction when I was 29 as soon as they changed the operation so that I could have the milk ducts so they changed it so the milk ducts would still be attached I had a breast reduction when I had the breast reduction I felt great so it was like um I'd cut away all the old stuff the bad stuff that was attached to me no that's quite I'm not actually saying that that's what you should do is change your body but I changed my body and changing my body was the biggest psychological trip I'd ever been on and I actually liked my tids for the first time in my life they grew back um they're still really happy but I do you mean they grow back oh they actually do when you have a breast reduction they actually grow back well then then I had a child so um you know they they grow back a bit but they grew back happy but it was weird at the time when I did it I kind of felt like I'd cut away a lot of stuff and I didn't I wasn't doing it for that reason I was doing it because I had really big boobs and I and they hurt your neck and they hurt your shoulders um and so I had a breast reduction and they were small and nice and I really liked them and I felt really comfortable in my body for the first time in years yeah it served you so I did that yeah I had an amazing moment and then what happens is she get abused as a kid she just decided to put on so much weight because then she wouldn't be a target nobody would want to touch her and that's sad that upset me because i thought fuck me like the pain that you go through the it's a life sentence these people get it's a life sentence you've had no matter if you've got the conviction yes it might feel good but up here still there no matter how much you work on yourself and that's what people need to understand and it's just that the shit people have to go through and deal with you don't really understand until you actually have a conversation and ask them because you'll tend to see a lot of people kind of open and honest when you actually break it all down and I believe that's why these podcasts are so great is to give people an understanding strength and it's important other people will be watching going do you know what if she can do it I can do it so seeing you go through it all he gets convicted you came back to the UK you've wrote your book that what gave you that inspiration to kind of really go inward and become very spiritual and very aware and in tune and understanding your traumas and pains like what was the the moments i um i actually worked for uh i i kind of i was going through a lot of crap with my husband and i started uh listening to motivational speakers when i was going on my daily walks and i realized that um we're the only ones that can change we're the only ones that are responsible for ourselves and to change you sometimes have to make yourself uncomfortable uh so I made myself uncomfortable putting dresses on uh but it came out everything was really good for doing that but I I realized what was missing in my life was spirituality uh and I so I kind of started I said to my husband I was getting my god back on and I'm not a religious person I'm a spiritual person I'm not into any religion or anything like that but I started really understanding that we're all spiritually connected that we're all spiritual beings inside physical form and I started doing studying about who I was and what made me tick in the greater whole of the world and I think you when you come through menopause as well you go through a big journey as a woman in menopause it changes you a lot you it changes your emotions it changes your body when your eggs dry up it's like going to through puberty on steroids and unless you actually have an understanding of what's happening with your body and communication skills with your family and if you haven't dealt with stuff from your past when you're a woman and you go through menopause and men go through menopause as well because at a certain age men's testosterone starts running out and that can affect their sex drive, affects their bodies, they get the middle-aged dad bod.

1:25:58So as humans we go through it and at that stage in our lives if we haven't dealt with stuff that we haven't dealt with, it's going to come slappy in the face and things needed to be dealt with. So me putting on a dress and becoming a beauty queen was me dealing with stuff. Me doing the court case with Rolf Harris surprisingly helped me deal with getting abused when I was 12 because in that courtroom I really felt like there was my 12-year-old girl. I was in there with a 15-year-old, a 14-year-old, a 7-year-old. We were all middle-aged, remember, it was all our little girls that were standing up against this man going, fuck you, mate.

1:26:35And we all got our little girl on and I felt that and I felt that really strongly. And I think that was a big catalyst for me. Well, I know it was. It changed my life. And having a knowledge and becoming aware of who you are and really tapping into who you are on the inside and changing the way how you talk about yourself and how you communicate to yourself about yourself and the words you use about yourself to yourself are really important. Like, you know, I'm a loser or I'm fat or I'm this or I'm that. You'll stay being a loser. You'll stay being a fat. And I've gone up and down in my weight my whole life, you know.

1:27:15I was fat, still got assaulted, can't change what my face looks like. You know, and I seem to put on weight and I still have an hourglass figure. It's just curvier, you know, and I've still got these legs. So it really didn't matter. So, you know, then losing weight and actually really loving my body and going, well, I got to the stage where I thought, you know what, I'm 55 if anybody has a problem with my legs because women used to get jealous. So when I was younger my mum was jealous of my legs. So I started covering up at 19 and I wouldn't wear make-up because I'm really fair so I'd take the eyelashes off and I'm really blonde.

1:27:46So I don't, you know, I don't look as pretty. That's what I thought. And I'd cover my legs up so I had a better relationship with my mother because she wasn't so jealous of me. Other women would be going, oh, my God, your legs. and back in the like 70s and 80s they would literally say, oh, my God, you bitch, I hate you, look at your legs. And that would really hurt me because it wasn't my fault what I looked like but I felt because I was raised the way I was raised, I felt it was my fault what I looked like that I made people feel bad in my presence. And I went through life a lot, a lot of years like that.

1:28:19So whenever that would happen, next time they saw me, you couldn't see my legs. So I covered myself up not just for men but for women. and then I got to 55 and thought, fuck you all. I'm 55, I look fucking hot. I have great legs, I have an excellent body and I'm fucking pretty. So, you know, I've aged really well. I'm just going to own who I am now. And when you get to 61, like now there's not much competition of looking really good. When you're young, everybody's beautiful. When you get older, it's like, okay, well, you really haven't looked after yourself. And I've looked after myself, you know, and I've looked after my mind, my body, my spirit and my soul.

1:28:54and I think beauty comes from the inside and who you are shines out from the inside and your joy and your gratitude and your life force shines out from your soul and comes out through your eyes and that's how we kind of age well and that's how we go through life, being happy and joyful but we've dealt with our stuff. So, you know, and now we have counsellors and coaches and if people haven't dealt with stuff they need to talk to someone, a trusted someone and that's the beginning of their healing journey and they have to realise that they are good enough, that we're all good enough, that they are perfect just the way they are.

1:29:34When did you realise your mum was a narcissist? I googled narcissism. When I was little I thought she had a split personality. Bipolar? Yeah. No, actually a split personality. My dad, my brother and I called her Doris behind her back for Doris Day. She would be – Doris was fun. She would dance and sing and carry on and she was really fun to be around. She would be like that on the phone and then when she put the phone down, she would stop and she would switch. I was only ever allowed to really talk to her in the commercial breaks of television and I learnt when I became a speaker I learnt that I used to talk really fast because I was programmed, that I only had a certain amount of time in the commercial break to talk and to talk about my day because as soon as her program came back on she completely ignored me and she was only really half paying attention to me anyway you know so I learnt I learnt and was raised to believe that I wasn't important in my family and I wasn't important to my mother I won state business awards and I'd ring at you know I remember ringing at nine o 'clock at night and my mother was like well are my programs on now well can I talk to my father like I've just beaten out massive companies like 40 companies around the state we better hurry up like I'd done something really huge uh so i realized and i learned at a very young age and all through young adulthood that it didn't matter what i achieved for my parents or my mother especially it wasn't good enough and it was pretty much i think my late 40s that i googled this thing called google we love google we find out a lot about life um daughters of narcissistic mothers and i looked it up and i ticked all the fucking boxes of who she was and like okay that makes sense and I'd realized way before that that there was no such thing as a split personality really that people were bipolar but from the age of 21 I was on a journey after my 21st birthday party with that my parents put on for me which was interesting and I'd come back from England and the lady up the road who I'd never met she invited me up for a cup of tea and she sat me down and she said to me I have to tell you something she said there's something seriously wrong with your mother and your father she said it's not you there is nothing wrong with you but there's something seriously wrong with your parents and from that moment on I was on a journey to figure out who I was and who I was without them you know with and I took me seven years to unindoctrinate myself from the religious crap that had been put in my head, to find that who I was was good enough, to realise that I was love-starved and needy because I was love-starved and needy, you know, to find myself.

1:32:20I had some amazing friends who are still friends now who would sit there and let me talk and talk and talk and talk, which is why I know that speaking is about healing and try and figure out who I was and try and make sense of how her behaviour towards me and his behaviour because it was never logical and I'm a pretty logical person. So having really good friends around me was key. If I didn't have them I wouldn't be the person that I am today and I'm really grateful for that. They helped me but it did. It took me ages to unprogram myself. I call it my seven-year period. Do you believe it comes in sevens?

1:33:01different cycles, good seven, bad seven good seven, bad seven I don't know whether it's good seven, bad seven but it was definitely seven years for me it's like a yin and yin they say love only lasts seven years some people say I believe it can last for an eternity I think it can last longer than that if you were the right person love is as cheesy and cringy as it is it's the most important thing but we're so caught up in a race to survive and to provide it takes us away from our true essence it takes us away from our true being and it's to try and because purpose is the most important thing as well in life is to find something to enjoy your day and kick on and love but it's so difficult because I always say it but everybody's confused nobody really knows what the fuck's going on we can sit here and rhyme off all the motivational quotes and spirituality in life and we're doing okay we've still got the smile on our face and I'm proud of you for everything you're doing but it's just difficult because you see a lot of misery and pain in people I come across people instantly you're not in a good place I've always done it, I've always had that presence where I know people, yeah I feel people and I've seen somebody crying actually last week sat beside them and said is everything okay and I had to talk and yes 45 minutes and hopefully it changed their day, they actually messaged me a couple of days ago just to say thanks, I needed that but I don't know if I would 10 years ago if I would have sat down with them or asked them if they were okay other than fuck that creepy bastard and probably just walked past the poor cunt but yeah it's just that we you don't know but you're in a different you're different now you're older now you've heard a lot you've got more life experience you've got more life knowledge the older we get the more experience we have the more that we've seen the more that we've um you've heard the more people we've spoken to the more we've heard of life and it gives us more um knowledge about what makes us happy and we see more sad people and we know what can be done sometimes to help them and sometimes you're just talking to someone is going to lift their day and we don't know we we look we understand about having friends around us that are energy vampires we have we understand about having people around us who pull us down all the time and you accept that sort of behavior because they're people that you love I removed my mother from my life 10 years ago went completely non-contact and also with my brother so I don't have any family around me so you know I completely moved through life uh in uh apart for my child you know um in a very uh a way that was about my protection because i realized that having narcissists around you are just not good for your mental health and i would not have been i would not become the beauty queen if i had my mother around me because of her jealousy thing you know so i think we have to sometimes we have to make the hard decisions and we have to be brave and we actually have to walk away from people who are pulling us down.

1:35:53And they say that you surround yourselves. If you surround yourself with people who are successful and happy, then you'll become successful and happy. Sometimes we have friends around us that are just pulling us down and we often have parents and family around us who may not be high achievers and you might be the only high achiever in the family and you don't achieve highly because it makes them feel bad about themselves, like me covering myself up because I felt that other people felt bad about, you know, what I looked like. But it was their problem, not mine. And it took me years to figure that one out.

1:36:27So you're the one with the issue. I'm not the one with the issue. You've got a problem about your body and you're actually transferring that onto me and that's what people do. And so we need to be aware that we have to be true to ourselves and, like I said, make the hard decisions and walk away sometimes from people who are holding us back so we can achieve our full potential. So through your whole life of being abused and narcissistic mum and going through all the court cases, worldwide news, to covering up to not just protect yourself like a comfort blanket, but you're trying to make everybody else feel at ease and low self-esteem, low confidence.

1:37:02And then you write the 60s and the new 40s, you won beauty pageants, you're doing the right thing. How was it writing your book? It was great. I loved writing my book. Look, one of my motivations, I work with as a film and television hair and makeup artist, I work with women on set who are half my age and often half my fitness. And I remember telling them only recently, you know, like how old are you? Like I'm 61 and they're just like blown away. It's like my mother doesn't look like you and she's not as old as you. I want to be you when I grow up. I want to have your kind of vibe when I grow up and I want to look like you and I want to be fit and healthy.

1:37:42And I realised that I lived my life a certain way with a certain mindset and a certain way of communication and people need to have an upgrade. They need to communicate better. They need to realise that when they're talking, they're talking maybe as they did when they were in their 20s and when they were in their 50s and 60s, they've got to be changing it and growing up more. and I know a lot about mindset and I live my life thinking positive things. So there's a lot in my book about like interrupters, people who interrupt. There's a lot of people that interrupt. So there's things that I talk about about the way we communicate and the mindset that we have that I thought was important to talk to people about.

1:38:26Apart from diet things like don't eat better and give up sugar and stuff like that because it hurts your joints and to be mindful and to exercise and move it or lose it. And if you don't move your body when you're older, you will lose it. You will lose the fitness that you once had. But it's all about your mind. It's about the words that you use to describe yourself. And I felt that I had a lot of knowledge that I could impart to people because I wanted to make it easier. I feel that at this age it's if I can teach women and men from the age of 40 up and 45 up and give them the skills that they need so that when they get to 60 they look just as good like they're 40 because they have a better mental capacity of knowing who they are and to kind of go about things from kindness and love for themselves and for others.

1:39:13So it's not a miserable, dreary old world that we live in but we've got more positive, vibrating people around. Then the world's going to be a better place if we're surrounded by people who are vibrating in a place, a high place of joy and love rather than I'm depressed and I'm negative. If we're all really negative, it rubs off. if we don't focus on the negative we focus on positive we are going to vibrate higher that's going to make us feel better and if you feel happy and you feel gratitude then you feel good and then people see it and you smile at people in the street and they're going to feel good so it just rubs off on everyone where can people buy your book i'm on amazon i'll leave the link in the description what about going forward to the future susie what's the plans um well i'm staying in england now i decided to i came here for three weeks and i decided to stay for six months because I feel that I'm really needed here to help people heal.

1:40:02I'm actually, I want to do, I'm getting into corporate work and there's a big thing about sexual assault in business, in corporate at the moment. I'm going to use my fame from being the voice of many and helping other people to speak to businesses and help them and try and allay some of the communication problems. Again, it's about communication and boundaries that men and women have in the workplace so that we can have a better happier place to be um hopefully i'm going to be working with my cousin who i spoke with on the weekend who is um uh has an hr background so together we're going to be um we're going to be coming for you corporate for how do you feel about speaking about today does it bring back a lot of emotion are you used to it now um it depending it depends on who i speak to and it depends on the questions they ask me so i got a little bit emotional with you sometimes i get asked questions and i'm just like Like I've done so many interviews.

1:40:59I still feel like I'm in the cupboard when I talk about it. I don't feel any fear and I don't feel any pain. Talking to you brought up some stuff but it's stuff that I'm proud to bring up to help others heal. If I wasn't in touch with who I am, you can never fully walk away from who you are. If you can talk about it without tears, then you've done a lot of healing and by talking about it, it helps other people. I remember I saw Ellen DeGeneres on a video thing once and she got groped on the boobs when she was 14 and I was completely blown away and it was like it kind of, I had solidarity watching her.

1:41:41It's like, wow, okay, so it actually is a real thing. What happened to me? It's actually real because sometimes we compare, we should never compare how we were assaulted and sexually assaulted or even spoken to in a bad way. We never compare because how it affected us is totally different to how it affects someone else. What has happened to me in my lifetime, somebody else might not have batted an eyelid, might not have affected them at all. But we have to make sure that we don't compare because we all have our own personal journeys and we all need to support each other on those journeys. Proud of you for everything you're doing, everything you've overcome and being the voice for the voiceless and trying to give people an understanding of life and what you went through and how to overcome it, which is the most important thing.

1:42:23you've clearly went through a lot of trauma in your life for anybody that's watching that's maybe going through a narcissist partner or parents some that it's been abused some that struggled with mental health what advice would you have for them um reach out and find a coach um i do coaching actually i don't like to call it coaching i do mentoring so coach a coach is someone that will that will lead you to find your own answers and a mentor is someone's going to tell you what you can do so there's two differences so as long as people know the difference between a coach and a mentor that's a good thing uh but talk to people have a chat uh reach out to someone that can help you reach out to a mental health person don't suffer in silence it's not going to do you any good um know that it's not your fault that you're perfect just the way you are and that you need to deal with the stuff that you've got happening in your past so that you can be the person that you're supposed to be right now and reach your full potential what's leaf all about Last question, but what it's all about, do you think?

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1:44:16$8. That's a burger, fries, and a drink. They don't call it an extra value meal for nothing. Get a Big Mac meal only at McDonald's. Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing. Feels like I can ask you that question. I think life is all about connecting with other people and sharing our journeys with others and having the best journey that we can. It was really cool that I was in Ireland and I decided I was going to stay and it was really cool to actually be free to make that decision. I think to come at a place that's not fear-based, to be able to go through life holding your head high, being confident with who you are and making decisions and taking a risk.

1:44:59You have to take risks with life, you know, and wish and dream big, you know, have the big dreams because life has stuff in store for you. I just want to be on the other side of the camera and do commercials. I become an international beauty queen, you know. I've had a ton of stuff more in store for me than I had ever even dreamed of, you know. So dream, dream big, use your imagination, put it out there, use your mindset. You can manifest things in life, but have faith in yourself and have faith in other people and smile and be grateful. Susie, absolute legend, man. I wish you nothing but fucking positive and love and happiness for the future.

1:45:39You're a great person. You've overcome so much. for that I'm proud of you and I wish you nothing but the best thank you James thank you