I Was Diddy and Cassie's SEX Slave - Male Escort The Punisher Tells All

30:23Or if you're lucky enough, you can just carry it along in some type of surface way. But it is crazy, brother. Like, treat him mean, keep him keen. it is a thing you know when you're not as you're not as eager as them and they chase and chase but as soon as you drop that barrier and start giving them what they want sometimes like you says it's them who can switch off because they're not getting that it's like a cat and mouse there's got there's got to be one sort of leader and i believe men just want to feel respected i think women just want to feel safe i think when you have these two components i think you automatically fall into your natural roles, but it's so difficult to have a steady relationship now with everybody has, everybody can be, anybody can be got to now with social media, there's no privacy.

31:10Mm-hmm. Everybody can be, it's just, I don't know, I think it's just a weird society now with dating. I think it's, people are really going to struggle also as a future because it's just, there's no compromising. Yeah. Well, listen, that first point you made, you, you just said You just said to chase and chase and chase, and then when you get caught, you let your car down, something goes off. And that, that, that, you, as crazy as it sounds, you have to maintain that guy that she was chasing. But as most men, for whatever reason, we get caught, and then we become this cupcake, right? And the cupcake's a turn-off, man.

31:49Look, look, I'm not proud to say, but I gathered this information because in my dysfunctional space, I got to the point where I didn't want to connect. So I would only date involved women. I would only date involved, married. Sounds terrible, but that was my way of protecting myself. And so what I saw was a pattern that all of these women had great men that in their love for their women, they kind of softened and changed and became catering, and then it became a turn-off. And then they actually then look for another guy to chase, and that guy would be me. Because there's a saying of, a man would give up his happiness for his family, but a woman would give up her family for her happiness.

32:42That is 100 % fact, man. 100 % fact. Do you think we can give women too much? I think I think every guy that's having a problem with this woman that's giving her too much look at Tom Brady one of the most successful men on the planet and his wife is shagging the tennis coach this episode is brought to you by ChatGPT hey it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast have you guys heard about ChatGPT work it's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects and when you need more than just answers give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

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33:50I like this kid Always wear your seatbelt Star Wars The Mandalorian and Grogu Now streaming on Disney Plus Raid PG-13 Like I said man That's a high value man Works hard, provides for his family Like I don't know what goes behind closed doors Maybe he's a prick, I don't know But with his status and who he is A leader, winning so many Super Bowls And his wife was cheating I think there's a player who plays soccer for Roma. I forget his name. Oh, Totty. Handsome man. Stuck with this one club his whole life. He could have played with any other club in the world, but stuck with his club for the loyalty for them.

34:34His wife was also cheating. So these are high-value men, multi-millionaires, successful at their craft, but their partners are still cheating. Yeah, man. And like I said, I'm telling you, man, is not what you have. It's not your bank account. It's not your material. It's not even necessarily just how great you are in bed. It is a dynamic of how you relate to a woman. That's lost because everything that we see in terms of keeping a woman happy is really the wrong information. It's catering to them in a way that actually makes them not value as much. And it is really hard because what I'm trying to instill in men is not necessarily, it can be almost looked at as toxic masculinity.

35:27You know, they always want to, when men try to empower ourselves, now it's negative. You know, so I don't really, I don't, I'm trying to push it the right way because women are supposed to be loved and nurtured and taken care of, but you have to understand the dynamics. So here's an analogy I like to use, right? Look at the universe, right? So in the center of the universe, you have the sun, right? And in some ways of expressing it, they call women the earth, right? And your earth, and the earth revolves around the sun. It's very simple. So if the sun is given, if the earth is in the right proximity of the sun, you get 80 degree days.

36:08The weather's wonderful, you know, beautiful. And if the sun is given the earth the wrong energy, then you get winter blizzards, you know. So the sun is you as a man. And the energy you give your woman dictates what you get back. Where a lot of men make a mistake is you meet a woman and you flip the dynamic. You make the woman the son. You become the herf and then you start revolving around her and revolving around her needs. And it's the wrong energy. That is not the space that works for her. See, when you're sleeping with married women, does that not make you more disconnected because they're untrustworthy?

36:52No, believe it or not, man. I think, I think almost every woman has the capability. Yeah. I always say this, listen, I, I think every woman is single. It just depends who's asking. It just depends who's asking or it depends on who she's with and how he's managing that relationship. You know, there, there are a lot of married. So here's something you hear women say that you never hear a guy say. I'll see a female friend and I'll say, what happened to that guy you were dating with, how the case may be? And this has been said to me, you know what? He was just too nice. Like, what are you talking about?

37:36But that tells you something. That tells him, I've never heard a guy say that. Oh, I had to stop dating her, she was too nice. I've heard women say that all the time. And I've had ex-girlfriend tell me that, you weren't rough enough, you weren't hard enough. me to do anything I wanted to do. It's like there is a dynamic in terms of, you know, hypergamy, that thing I said, where you have to maintain this leader, this highly sought out way. And you have, it has to be really no negotiations, man. You have to set hard boundaries of yourself as a man that are unwaverable, that are non-negotiable, that has to be adjusted to.

38:20And you, early on in the relationships, you have to respect your boundaries. If there is, because there's always a push and pull with when things go left with a woman. And it's something she wants you to do, and then you don't do it, and then she gives you attitude, or whatever, and then you change and you do it. Then there's something else. Then she gives you attitude and you do it, and then progressively, it's kind of breaking you down into molding you to what she believes is what she wants. But you can't mold into what a woman wants, because they operate on feelings. So what she wants today is gonna be completely different in like three hours.

39:02You know what I'm saying? The range of emotions they go through from month to month, you can't manage that, man. It's impossible. What was your sort of daily routine like as a male performer? What did you have to do? So, man, as a main performer, it was kind of like a sweet gig, man. Like, starting out, you don't really know what... As a straight guy, you don't know what women are into, right? You got to kind of figure it out. So once you get a little niche, I always went about business as... I'm doing bachelorette parties, birthday celebrations. So it's just really about collectively making all the ladies have fun.

39:44You know, if you go into a scenario really trying to be extra sexy and turn everybody on, everybody's not going to be into you. And that's not a cup of tea. So in terms of main performing, it's easy. You just do a routine that everybody from the 21-year-old girl, her first time at a show to the 60th birthday celebration. You want to do a show that they all can watch and enjoy. But that works your benefit because, like I said earlier, women are competitive. So if you can go out there and you can put on a show that everybody universally likes, that's more women into you. And then women will compete because I want that guy.

40:29Look at it. Look at how they do fashion. One person gets a purse. This is the new purse that's in. Everybody gets it. This new hairstyle comes out. Every woman gets it. You know, they flock in a competitive scenario. We're doing eyelashes like this, we're doing lips, everybody gets BBLs. Like, you know, it's a competitive nature. So when you can present yourself, even as a performer, all I had to do was present myself in a way where I was, forget what the performance was, but as long as it's universally enjoyed, then that created the competition. What you're doing to perform, like, I know a lot of the porn stars, they used to inject stuff into their dick and put like tie ring rings around it and so they could keep the fucking do you have to do all that stuff absolutely bro absolutely so so i know i didn't i didn't inject anything inject injections is usually if you're trying to get size um as a male dancer i used to use a pump so um you go into these little sex stores or whatever and have these things called penis pumps.

41:32And what a lot of people don't realize is if you take a penis pump and you put it on for a long period of time, 20, 30 minutes, it actually will pull blood into your penis. But if you keep it in there long enough, it'll bust the blood vessels, which sounds crazy, but it heals. It's not like really an issue. But pro, it will double the size of what you're working So, an illusion I used to do as a male dancer was I would put this pump on before I went out. It would swell me up from like a hot dog to a hot sausage. And then, like the porn stars would say, we call the beefing up, where you get an erection and you take a piece of material and you tie it around a base and now your erection's gonna stay there.

42:20Not necessarily rock up, but it's like, it's you almost 80%. But you go out to dance and you got this 80 % hot sausage, right? And women think you're swinging, you know? So I used to create this illusion, and it builds your reputation because, you know, women talk, and I got this reputation of being this hung dude, you know? And it was great for business, and it picked things up. So those are definitely tricks. Injections is something you can do down the line. I'm a fan of injections, but you got to do the right doctor. Um, there's fat injections. Those are not necessarily great, but they do the fillers, like the Juvederm, almost the same stuff they do in the face, and they can do it in your manhood, and it'll give you extra girth.

43:14And for those that don't know, that's really where women get pleasure from, the girth. Where did the name the Punisher come from? So, ironically, Punisher was a basketball nickname. So that's not just being a fucking top shag, either just... Well, well... ...as nice, that basketball? So listen, that's where the name originated. Now, I definitely tried to live up to the reputation, but yeah, it started as a basketball name, and then me going into male dance, I told you, a guy who started me out was somebody I played basketball with. And the first time we went to a show, I picked some crazy name, like, like, he said, what do you want to be called?

43:52Oh, they called me Caramel Mandingo, right? It was crazy. And the whole night, the girls was like, man, there you go over here, over here. And I was paying them no attention. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans.

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45:41And then I just stuck with it and made a whole character and everything out of it. How many women do you actually think you've slept with? Oh, man, you're going to have me on here looking nasty, right? I'll be completely honest with you, man. I have no idea. I got to the point where I don't even want to necessarily estimate because I've been around, man. Like, I have. It's real. Like, there's a lot of guys online trying to give advice about women and stuff like that. I'm telling you, man, look. I don't know what they've experienced and whatever, but man, I'm very, very, very, very... I will say this, and this is crazy.

46:26Me and one of my buddies, um... we had started a competition, and it was, like, from January 1st, because somebody asked us this question, and neither one of us was like, I don't know. So it was like, we're gonna count. and we said from January, we got from January 1st to Valentine's Day, which is six weeks. And he knocked on my door one day and was like, I got three lined up. I'm gonna blow you out this week. And he was at 21 and I was at 19 different girls in six weeks. It was crazy, man. Like Working as a male dancer in an industry where you're in a club with 500 women every weekend, and they're all there to see you, I would just collect phone numbers Friday and Saturday night, and then a different girl Monday, a different girl Tuesday, a different girl Wednesday, a different girl Thursday, revolving sometimes two a day.

47:29And it was all for ego. It was all like, you know, you put a man in this scenario where it's just an endless amount of sex. How many of these women were married or had boyfriends? I mean, at some point, um, I told you that's all I dated. And I actually did this thinking I'm being a good guy, right? Because I got to a point where, um, Um... I present as a very, very nice guy, right? Women can see that, you know, aside from the extra sexual activity that they necessarily don't know about, they get to know me and they say, this is a good kind, and they get attached. You know, at the end of the day, if you're sexually involved with a woman, and I'm not necessarily a one-night stand guy.

48:24There's women that, if she's a cool girl or whatever, I'll keep seeing her. And there would be a connection, and she would want more. And these single women, I knew, I had no intention of it going anywhere serious. So I got to the point after breaking a couple of women's hearts, right, where they get attached, and then they want more, and I'm not interested. I was like, look, I'm not gonna keep using these single women that really want to connect and find love and stuff just for my sexual enjoyment. So let me switch to a woman that she just wants sex. And I found out that doesn't help either. I would start dealing with married women, and believe it or not, once you get to a point of a sexual connection because of oxytocin.

49:17You ever heard of oxytocin? Yeah. Yeah, once that oxytocin connects, for those listening, oxytocin is a hormone that's released and it's a bonding hormone. So anybody you have sex with on the regular, and especially if you lay up and watch TV and cuddle and all that, you release oxytocin and it starts to bond you. Now I fight against it, but even the married women would eventually try to have a full-fledged relationship with me while marrying a partner. So there's no way around it. You just gotta really be in control of it. So any of you fellas listening, you ever had a girl you met and you was like, oh, this is gonna be a fun time, girl, good time, girl.

49:56And then you ended up marrying her. You know what I'm saying? Oxytocin got you. You know? Yeah, oxytocin. Because even the women, when they're around you, they'll fall asleep. Because it's a love hormone. It makes them feel vulnerable. It makes them feel relaxed, where they can just fall asleep. A lot of people, a lot of women, I think, just sleep easier. If they feel that oxytocin, feel that sort of love. Yes, it's serious, man. It's powerful. When did you become a male escort? So, exactly when? So, I didn't realize I was a male escort till I got indicted by the Feds.

50:35I'm serious, man. I was in denial, right? So, as a male dancer, you're gonna get proposition, right? And how women proposition is never overt. It's never, hey, how much for sex, right? It's always, do you do one-on-ones? Do you do massages? And that's code for sex, right? So what I would do, that was a picky guy, a great poupon, right? I would get the girl to send me a picture. She was attractive. She was hot or whatever. I'll go do the one-on-one, take the money, and it'll lead to sex. And, dude, I never, I swear to you, I'm a smart guy too. I never connected, bro, you doing prostitution, you know?

51:21And when it became full-fledged, obviously, was when I got called by Cassie. And that was still almost similar to, because she called me to dance. It was never, like, we never had a conversation over two and a half years of How Much for Sex. It started out just calling you to dance. And then when I got there, it was like, we want to do this scene. And the scene, you know, was the baby oil stuff that everybody knows highly publicized, or put baby oil on hers, put it on me. And then it would almost be like a massage. And then, I don't know if this was by design, right? But it was never like, okay, now it's time for sex.

52:05It'll be like, well, do you want to finish? so it was presented to me as if it was my choice. So even in those scenarios, obviously I 100 % acknowledge I was doing prostitution and escorting, but I was in this kind of bubble where I didn't really see it that way because I guess it wasn't, I never advertised myself as an exchange for sex. I was a dancer and if, you know, dancers are going to get opportunities anyway, so I'm getting all this sex for free and now I can get paid for it, and I just looked at it as a perk. Do you think you could have been in denial with it? In denial with, God, see, no.

52:46Not being a mayor escort? Oh, 100%, man. 100%. That's what I'm trying to say. Like, when I look back at it, I'm like, man, I was out here. Being pissed. I was out here. I was out here. How much were you charging? Bro, and so here's the part about it, I'm mad. I was charging the same price as theirs. I was getting like 150 bucks. That was the cheapest... That was the cheapest Escort you could buy. Cheapest, you know? I know, I was joking about it. I was like, I was the discount, the discount store Escort. You know, like, because mind you, I... Like, look, man, I was a picky guy. You... Listen, any woman couldn't just call me and say how much.

53:29Even if I wanted to, I got a... I had a picky member. He'd be like, we ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying? So it was really cute. Like, you'll be surprised how many very attractive sexual women, I mean, very attractive, successful women pay for sex. You'd be 100 % surprised. And it's because they're... But they've understood the mechanisms of get the man in, get their fun, and then straight back to work. They don't want the drama, because relationships bring drama. You give so much energy to them. You know, you completely lose yourself. So I think the successful women have maybe figured that out.

54:09Yeah. And also, I think part of it is a very attractive, successful woman is intimidating. So a lot of the guys she would normally be interested in, they don't approach her. They don't approach her. They don't try to connect. They don't try to speak to her. And the guys that do are usually the douchey guys. You know what I'm saying? So if she goes, women have needs, especially when you get to women. You know, women's sexual peak are in their late 30s, early 40s. And if they're divorced or single or for whatever reason, they don't have a consistent partner, they will 100 % find a guy that has the makings and pay him for his time and have no problem with it.

54:56So people, where did they get your number? Where was your number? So, I do, uh... To be successful as a male dancer, you have to obviously advertise. So, if you were in the New York City area, and you typed in, male strippers, New York City, male strip club, or whatever, had a website that came up, getpunished.com. And you would call me, I'd pick up the phone, and, you know, set something up. Easy as that. Easy as that. Did you have any sort of celebrities beforehand? obviously not mentioned names, but did you have any high profile celebrities beforehand? Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. But again, it wasn't, it wasn't to that nature where it was, uh, the husband paying, you know, like the, at the time I thought the husband like creating a, I guess a cuckold scenario where he's watching and he's a part of it, but.

55:52Did you ever do anything like that beforehand where the the husband's been there, the partner's been there behind the scenes? No, man. I had one opportunity that I talked about in the book where I tried, but it was foreign to me. It's very common now, and I still don't engage in it other than that scenario because it's...

56:22It's a very awkward scenario. If you're not into, like, a swing of lifestyle, or whatever the case may be, it's a very awkward scenario to have a male in a room while you're dealing with his woman. You know, it's just too much stuff for me that goes through the mind, because I'm gonna question, you know, is this guy straight? First of all, is he gonna try to interact? Is he gonna get jealous? Could there be an issue? Could it turn into something? And then just from a safety scenario, okay, if they just hired me randomly, how many other guys have come through here and this stuff like that? So that kind of...

57:00That scenario always wigs me out. When women would call me, my ego would just say, oh, it's because I'm amazing. You know what I'm saying? And not that she's calling multiple guys. Like, I would believe I'm special. Like, even in the Cassie scenario, I believed I was special. I was the only guy. She was calling. And I created this story in my head that her husband, and then once I figured out Diddy is this guy that he's clearly gonna have multiple women and multiple opportunities, and he has like a forever hall pass of dealing with women outside the relationship, and he kind of gave her, hey, look, I know it's unfair, you can pick a guy.

57:44And she picked me. And that's what I really thought. until the trial. So how did it all come about then? She's just picked your number and called you. Cassie's just called you. Just called me, man. Just called me like a normal party. She said, hey, it's my birthday. My husband said I could hire an entertainer. Could you come and do a party? And I thought it was her and a group of friends. And when I actually showed up, she just opened the door in a bathrobe that clearly you can tell she was naked under. And listen, she is absolutely stunning, man, in person. Like, I'm a guy that I've worked in clubs full of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of women.

58:24It was like a different level of stunning, you know? So what happened the first time you went through the doors with Cassie and Diddy? Yeah, so I walk in. It's a dark hotel suite. Um, ironically, all the furniture was covered in sheets and stuff. And, you know, I came in, it was kind of odd. But at the time, I did not know Diddy was there. She opened the door and brought me in. It just seemed like it was just her. And I just tried to, it looked odd, but I just tried to, because I thought I was going to dance. And I said, hey, where do you want me to change into my dancing clothes? She was like, look, I don't want you to dance.

59:02Then she explained how her and her husband like to do this sexy scene. And that was the baby all. We were going to take baby all and put it on each other. at some point, her husband was gonna come out and watch from across the room. And that's exactly what happened. And the first time, we didn't even have sex. We just did, we just kind of did this mutual baby-all exchange, and then she did the offer that I said earlier, which is, hey, do you wanna finish? And I actually declined. What does she mean by that? Come? Yeah. Where? On her? On her? Well, at the time, there was no penetration or anything.

59:36Remember, so the first time was just, so she just said, finish in general. And I just declined, so I didn't get to what finishing meant, because I was kind of like, okay, my husband's there, like, I'm good, you know, this is for you guys, right? And I just left. But then it was like, hey, I want to contact you, can I contact you again? And of course I said yes, because I got two grand for that. What are you thinking though when you're going into a room and there's sheets everywhere? I would be thinking that was a hit. Yo, I don't know if you've ever seen this movie called American Psycho. Yeah, Christian Bale.

1:00:11So remember, he used to put plastic all around his apartment. So when I walked in and I saw all the sheets on the furniture, I was like, oh, no, somebody, some serial killer just called me in here. Oh, you're shagged. I see you do kill his waist or a mafia guy's waist. I was like, yo, what's all these sheets and stuff, man? But man, she was just, you know, if she wasn't as stunning, like, oh my God, I probably would have ran out of there. But it was just, you know, look, as a male entertainer, my entire life I've gone from house to house to house to do parties. There's always like this fantasy conversation between guys that you walk in and it's just this gorgeous woman that's giving you thousands of dollars.

1:00:58The sugar mama, right? This type of scenario that usually never happens for guys. So when you walk into a scenario like that, it's surreal because it's kind of like the dream of every, I don't even think of every male dancer, I would say of every young man, right? You just get this, you know, the dynamic is men are so accustomed to paying for sex. It's a man's thing, right? Like how many guys in their lifetime can say I was actually paid for sex by a gorgeous woman and thousands of dollars? Like just, that's just, does not happen, man. Does not happen. So it was, it was, it was like, wow. So the first time, what were you doing then when you were misogyncing her?

1:01:46What was Diddy doing? He was across the room, sitting behind a table, kind of similar to this. And he was, obviously, he was nude, and he was wearing a mask. It was concealing his identity. And it was one of those Muslim masks. A bird kind of testified to that. And he was kind of enjoying the show. He was giving, you know, minimal directions in terms of adjusting her body. You know, I was told not to speak to him, to look at him, so he would only talk to her to give directions to me. And at times, he was, you could tell he was self-pleasuring. He had some lube, and he was masturbating, and just, it was, you know, looking back at it, he was creating live porn for himself.

1:02:34You know, we'll all, at times, pull out the phone and watch a video, and I guess when you have a billion dollars, you put porn right in front of you. How are you feeling when he's, some man's having a wank behind you, though. That's a bit gay, innit? Yeah, I mean, I guess, but I mean, I'm looking at her and two grand, and I'm like, I gotta get through this. You know? So he's got a burker on having a wank, watching his missus being kind of pleasured. Yeah, man. Was she completely naked? Yeah, yeah, so was I. So was I. And so, the part of it that was really difficult, and I tell the story, whatever, All these years in the club, I can't hear.

1:03:16My hearing is trash, right?

1:03:21So I'm a little paranoid because he's walking back and forth, winking, right? And I'm on top of her trying to do stuff, and he'll give her directions. And he'll say something to her like, hey, babe, move a little bit to the right. And I can't hear, and I'm paranoid. And in my mind, I hear him say, so it looks tight." And I'm like, what? So, yo, I'm ha - I'm freaking out, right? Obviously, that's not what he was saying, but I was so paranoid that it gave me problems, bro. I would struggle getting an erection. You know, I don't even know why they hired me so long, because it seemed like every other time I had a malfunction with some sort of issue.

1:04:07When it worked, it worked, but it was difficult, man, Like, having in that environment, man, it was difficult. So you were just massaging her then, at the start? The first time. The very first time, there was no sex, but every other time, it was, it led to intercourse. And how was Cassie? Because we talk about this trafficking, like, through the court case I followed it, like, the biggest court case in the world at that time, but was she free-flowing with it? She wasn't in distress? She wasn't being forced? Yeah, I mean, that's what I testified to. Like, I would never discredit what she said her experience was in terms of she said that she was doing that stuff against her will, but that's not what I experienced, you know?

1:04:54So what I like to say is, if she was under some distress, she had an amazing poker face, because there was no way I could tell. And I'm not talking about just the sex. Like, you know, sometimes I would be there for hours, you know, and I would show up. She would greet me. We would sit down. We would catch up. How's work? How's this? How's that? We would have cordial, cool conversations. Sweetest girl. Then they'll put me in a room. I'll wait. She'll come get me. Let's start. Everything will be completely normal during the session. And then once it was over, she'll come back to me. That was great.

1:05:35We'll call you again soon. thanks, everything was fine. Like, there was no moment where I could distinguish her in any type of distress or anything. And, you know, I was actually kind of, I actually did not think I would ever testify because I just assumed once I found out it was other guys involved, I assumed that there was going to be, it was going to be incidents out isolated from me because I just didn't see anything that unfortunately could corroborate her experience. So I'm not sure why they called me. Was he finishing the job when he was there? Was he coming? Nah. Nah. I mean, literally, man, he wasn't, he was never close, right?

1:06:17He was across the room. So, and remember, I couldn't look at him. So everything is peripheral. So it was only kind of like slight sides or whatever. I don't know to what degree, but I know, and it was testified to this, after we were finished, they both would leave the room. And some of the other guys said it too, that they would have sex immediately after. So I guess him watching the live porn could turn him on to the degree where maybe he was ready for sex, and then maybe that's when they had sex. because I did notice it would be scenarios where we would be right in the middle of what we were doing, and he would get up and walk out the room, and she would notice.

1:07:05She would walk out behind him and then come back. So, I think there was some sort of cues going on, but I can't speak to anything directly. It's all speculation. How long was it before they called again? Um, I mean, I probably would see them, let's say, four times, four times a year, but it wouldn't be one time. So if they were in town, it would be Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night. And then it could be three months. Then another Friday night, Sunday night, Saturday night, Sunday night. It would be multiple days, like over a weekend. Was it alcohol or drugs involved? No, so that's another thing I testified to.

1:07:49The only thing I'd seen her with was marijuana. And I would be always offered a drink. Ciroc. I would always be offered a drink. Ciroc 100%. I could get any flavor of Ciroc right there. I was like, I just make a flavor up, you know? You got a cup of Ciroc. I'm not really a drinker, and I wasn't a marijuana smoker, so I was pretty much in my right mind. But I'd never seen that stuff. Was he there every time you were there? Every time. Every time. He would never start out in a room, but she would always greet me. She would always bring me somewhere to start. And then I could see out of my peripheral him come in a room at a distance.

1:08:37Was it ever recorded? So I'd never seen any recording devices or whatever, but near the end of the trial, there was conversations about they showed footage of the sexual activity, and it was time stamped on dates that I was there. So I think I was recorded, but... Okay.

1:09:06What was it like the first time you'd slept with her? How did that come about? Whose idea was it? Was it hers or his? Well, remember, I never spoke to him. So everything was her idea. So I kind of knew, remember I told you the first time it was just offered, hey, do you want to finish? And the second time, my cue that it was going to be sex, it was never, hey, we're going to have sex. But my cue was, I told you when I would get there, we would have casual conversation, and the conversation turned to, hey, have you been tested? What's your sexual health? What's your this, that, and the other? Have you been tested?

1:09:42I've been tested. I got my papers, this, and the other. So, obviously, if I'm with a woman and she's asking me about my sexual health, it's because she wants, uh, sexual activity. Did you know who she was? I did not, man. I, uh, you know, I testified to it. he had a mask on and she wore a wig. So, you know, people are familiar with Cassie. I would have recognized her if I saw her hair because she had this hairstyle where it was shaved. But she wore a wig and I could not figure it out, man. You know, I feel like a dunce because once I actually figured it out, which was in one of the hotels, they had a welcome message.

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1:12:23I just see his posts, like his posts. I had no idea. What are you thinking then, when you're shagging, huh, P Diddy's having a wank behind you, then the penny drops that, who you were doing it with. Like, what are you feeling? What are you thinking? I felt like... Because surely if you know who Cassie, because that's a massive thing for them to bring in someone and know who Cassie was, because as soon as you know her, you know it's him, because there must have been tattoos as well. It's not easy, it's not difficult to search up P Diddy's tattoos or whatever. But I couldn't see him, he was across the room.

1:12:59And it was dark. So every time you couldn't turn around or nothing? I wasn't supposed to, and I wasn't trying to, man. I don't want to have eye contact with a guy winking. How weird is that eye contact? Hey, hey, hey, hey, what am I supposed to do? What are you doing with that, right? So I'm not looking at all, man. Um, but I will tell you this. Once I found out, it was, uh... It was like a next level of validation, because the story I made up. You know, I really made up this story that... I was her hall pass guy. Hey, you could pick one guy that you see, and I thought it was just me, and it was like, wow, for all the men she could pick, she picks me, you know?

1:13:47And then, like I said, then the case came out, and I was like, damn. And I was getting paid the lease. I was like, yeah, that sucked. You know, like... So was it never any parties or anything? Was it not big parties? I would imagine there were swingers and there's drinking drugs the way they press talk and there's baby oil everywhere. That's why you can't listen to the media, man. You can't listen to what you hear on social media. It was nothing, nothing. I mean, obviously, he had famous parties. I'm sure at some of these parties, they were turned into sexual activity, but what is considered a freak off is him, his girlfriend, and another guy.

1:14:25That's it. Did he never try anything on you? No, no. He's never, bro, he's never came near me. I never had eye contact. The first time I had eye contact with him was leaving the stand after testifying and walking out the courtroom. I never even had eye contact with him. No conversation, no... I don't think he was ever closer than seven, eight feet from me. because I don't, listen, I don't see anything wrong with that. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't share my partner. I think if you love somebody, you do everything to protect them. But everybody's got different kinks. The different level of status and money these people have, there's no funny materialism anymore.

1:15:11Whatever they want to do in closed doors, by all means, it's up to them. Because the media's making out he's this fucking gay man, paedophile, drugging everyone up. Because I was against Diddy, if I'm honest, at the start, because I was getting all these videos of Justin Bieber as a kid and spend four or eight hours with P Diddy and when he was only like 14, 15, I think there's a lot more sinister stuff here. But when you actually break it all down, like the thing in the elevator with Cassie is fucking disgusting. It's brutal with the domestic abuse thing. But when you look at these sort of sex parties, there's nothing in that.

1:15:47If I'm completely honest, like how he's been charged and done with that is mind boggling. Yeah. You know, my theory of it has always been, you know, the same guys, the same people that started the case against Didier, the same people that convicted R. Kelly. And I think there was a movement in terms of bringing to justice these male sex offenders, not just because of what they did wrong, but because the high profile. It's almost like a lawyer trying to build their resume. And there's, you know, I'm not big on speculation, but there were sayings that the guy who brought Diddy to court with somebody that was in the runnings of being attorney general if Kamala Harris won the election.

1:16:44And I firmly believe that this was just... Convicting Sean Combs is a career case. And if you are the attorneys or whatever that gets that conviction, you're... you could ride that for the rest of your career. And I think he was aggressively overcharged, and they went after him to try to... Not necessarily if it was about the crime that was committed, but it was just the big name, and bring him to justice. Because he was guilty of domestic violence, you just couldn't charge him. It's actual limitations. So I think it's one of those where you can't get him for the actual crime, but let's get him for something.

1:17:30you know. What about the baby oil stuff? Because the media says it was all laced with, was it GHB? GBH? Listen, that's why it was funny. They confiscated, what, 900 bottles of baby oil, and there was not one report of it being laced. And I always laugh, because I was like, who's the poor guy in the lab? Like, another one? Like, he tested it. Who tested all those bottles of baby oil? But that's what I mean, man. it's it's the you listen to the media and it's kids being trafficked and this that and the other they kind of they kind of tied him into as if he was like jeffrey epstein you know they gave him all of those things and it just it's an assassination i know a few models who partied with him and they says there was never involvement with any kids or anything like that there was nothing like that yeah he says he used to have kids at his parties but like family his own kids and at 12 o 'clock people used to take their kids away to go home and then the party probably started then of course man like it's i mean look that was just a public assassination of a of a character you know and i i think it's sad i mean you know obviously there's things that he's done wrong um i'm sure he has a ton of regrets but the way you are portrayed in the media and the guilty before Anderson, and anybody can just put anything out now.

1:19:01You know, there's no fact-checking or no recourse of what you just say. You know, it's tough, man. So when you eventually knew who it was, was it different the next time you seen them? No, not really. So when I figured it out, I didn't make it clear that I figured it out. I saw it on the TV screen. So I kinda knew, but I kind of... I had already realized that, you know, this man is going through lengths to hide his identity. So I'm just gonna keep going with the flow, um, to keep it as is. By the time everything was said and done, you know, it was obvious I knew, and she acknowledged it, and she kinda thanked me for, you know, you know, respecting their privacy and keeping things discreet or whatever, and that was just kind of it.

1:19:55When was the last time? When did it stop with you and them? So it started like October 2012 and it ended maybe March 2015. So a few years back and forth, over 10 times? Yeah, probably 12, 12, 12 to 15. I always say approximately 12, but honestly, I don't know. It could be more. Because even in the court case, Cassie was saying she wanted to do another freak-off, she wanted to do this. Now, by any means, I'm not trying to discredit her or whatever, because she got an out of court settlement, I think, for like 20 million. But could it have been? Because I don't understand why you were a witness anyway, because it was more in favor for him.

1:20:37Because you're kind of saying, listen, you never really done anything. Did anybody ever come forward to you and offer you money to say X, Y, and Z? No, not at all, man. And so, like I said, I was confused why they chose me to testify. But this is one thing I will say, man. Like, for whatever reason, after the case was over, you know, a lot of the male escorts started reaching out to me. It was like we all started talking amongst ourselves. And I didn't speak to all of them, but I cannot find one that can, that had an experience that said they thought she was doing it against her will. Not one of them.

1:21:19I mean, some of them saw, obviously, domestic violence between them. But they said, you know, what I was told was the violence and stuff would be, there were levels of back and forth disrespect, you know. One of the guys that I know really well, and he said this publicly or whatever, a few guys have said that there may be an insecurity with Diddy's size. And that's why he hires guys to kind of make that up. And then it'll be scenarios where slick kind of jabs were said, right, that could upset him, right, in terms of a smart comment or something, and he will react physically, which is completely wrong, but it was never a physical force to engage.

1:22:17You know, they just had a, from what I was told, for people that did witness violence and stuff like that, it was just an abusive relationship, just in general, you know? Could she have been the one instigating? Like, if you're slagging a man's manhood, if she's not feeling in distress, could she have been the one who maybe wanted the male dancer, the male escort, could she be maybe the one who's convinced him to do so? I don't think, well, so this is what, so this is what was a dynamic. She would, she was instructed to find the guys and hire them. So she did have autonomy to some degree of who she dealt with.

1:23:09So, you know, to me, that gives you some sort of control. Yeah. Like, if she can go out and pick the guys and say, all right, I want to hire this guy, or let's call this guy, or should we call this guy? It was kind of like a mutual agreed thing that they did. And like you mentioned earlier, there was multiple text messages of, you know, expressions of enjoying them. and also let's do another one. You know, let's, you know, so, you know, again, man, you know, I'm not, I don't want to align with a thought process of trying to discredit what she experienced, right? But I can see why he wasn't convicted, you know, of sex trafficking because there was just too much evidence that showed her willingness and my testimony, right?

1:24:08My testimony of being somebody that was put on the stand that when I'm being cross-examined, I did not see or get any indication that there were any issues. And I think the word trafficking gets used too much, though. So do you put... As much as I've went against Diddy the last few years and not really understanding the full dynamics of it, but you've still got to look at it as if... when he was going through all that, he's never phoned any prostitute, he's never texted any prostitute, she's the one who's done so. Could she have potentially been trying to build a case with him so she would have all this evidence that it's him who's done all that, to have been forced to do it, and she was being trafficked herself?

1:24:51No, no. So this is what I've - If you really look at the dynamic of how this happened, I don't think she ever wanted to testify. Absolutely, I would - I would - I would bet a large-sizeable money she didn't. So how this began was she contacted him way before the court case or anything and demanded money from him. And it was a demand based on she was going to release a tell-all book. And if he didn't give her X, Y, Z, she was going to put the book out. Now, me being somebody who wrote a book, I understand that just because you had a personal relationship with somebody and you were involved, you can't just put out a tell-all book.

1:25:35That is invasion of privacy. And you'll get sued, the publisher will get sued, and they'll snatch the book off. But if you file a court case and allege all of the things in your book and the court case in its public record, now it's fine. Now you can release it. Now, we know that the minute she filed the case, he settled. He settled, gave her the money she wanted, and now it's over. But we've seen with high-profile celebrities and actors and stuff like that where there's a case filed, because it's filed civilly, not criminal, right? When there's a civil case filed, the authorities has to do their due diligence to look over the case to see if anything's criminal in here, and they can decide to make it a criminal case.

1:26:31We've seen that happen with, I'm not familiar with Deshaun Watson, the football player that was getting them the happy ending massages. He got 100 lawsuits filed against him. They did the research. They said, we don't see a crime. That's why I didn't go criminal. In Diddy's case, they decided, with her details, they just decided that we're gonna pursue this criminally. And once they decided to do it, they forced her to testify. Because if he's in jail right now for transportation, the prostitution, the Man Act, then technically, she's supposed to be in jail too. Because she set up and flew out, escorts, for the same thing.

1:27:14So, I think they threatened her and said, listen, either you testify against him or you are his co-conspirator. and they gave us some sort of immunity because there's no way he's in jail for transportation or prostitution and she's not. But they've obviously wanted him. So do you believe there's something more sinister that someone has set out to get him? I know people talk about Ciroc. I think there was deals broke down and money and stuff where people have then possibly set him up to then get this information, pay witnesses off. You know how they operate. you're going to prison as well if you don't tell us everything.

1:27:54People get scared of that, so they're willing to just say and do whatever the police say, but do you think there's a lot more sinister to Diddy's charges and conviction? I mean, I don't know, because I don't really see how... So, I've heard what you heard, right? So, apparently, he won or he's in the process of winning some huge lawsuit with some large liquor company based on a deal he did, and he's supposed to get paid out like a billion dollars. And I know with the RICO, what a lot of people didn't realize was if he's convicted of the RICO, they can confiscate his assets. That means a criminal investigation.

1:28:33So this guy who made a billion dollars off of music, clothes, liquor, now because of the way his sex life was, now he can take all of his money. and so because it was only transportation for prostitution that bypassed but i don't know if he's convicted of a rico does that absolve the liquor company from having to pay him you know or does that money just get confiscated so i i don't know like i i understand there's a people believe that somebody really really really high was out to get them but i'm trying to figure out how do they benefit right you know how do they even even if he goes to jail does that mean people who owe him don't have to pay him you know i don't i think i think people just love conspiracy man yeah but then you look at the michael jackson stuff with sonny he owns sonny half of sonny but his his catalog was worth billions because he owned the beatles catalog and he owned other catalogs.

1:29:44M &Ms, I think, as well. It was worth so much money. So sometimes it's just cheaper to kill these people or tarnish these people. Look, all the stuff that says about Michael Jackson. But Michael Jackson was under an investigation from the FBI for many, many years and never found one trace of evidence about being with kids, ever. He took all his computers, all his paperwork and never found anything. So here's, look, I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying this, but this is the one thing I would say about Michael Jackson, right? I think when Michael Jackson was alive, me or you couldn't get within 50 yards of his house without being caught on camera.

1:30:23So all I'm saying is me, myself, if I love kids and I want to have them by, I got this amusement park in my house, and I'm so cool with kids that you can even come in my bedroom and hang out with me, right? If I do that when I'm accused one time, one time, there's no way another kid would end up in my bedroom without a camera up in the ceiling recording everything. So to me, I always felt like if you could get accused once of dealing with a kid inappropriately, and now your entire house is surveyed except for your bedroom, and you're going to constantly bring kids again over and over again and get accused over and over again, and nobody, no, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I can say put a surveillance camera then if they want to say you did something it's all on video why wasn't it on video and the fact that it wasn't on video I'm sorry it makes me think something was yeah that's an impossibility there's no smoke without fire there is a lot of dodgy interviews we do question it but Andy's paid out money as well to keep people silent but there was also an investigation by the FBI and they never found anything and see when you seen Cassie with the lawsuit and the civil case, what were you thinking when she got the payout back then before the criminal case?

1:32:00I mean, I didn't really think much of it, man, because honestly, I wasn't, for how much I was involved, I was not really groupy, like, watching it. Like, I understood it was... What did your friends say? Like, you must have been telling your friends. What were they saying? So, listen, man, I, so... So listen, I was, I really, I didn't tell many people, right? But I know there were a few people that I told during the time, like, yo, dude, I'm Cassie's boy, whatever, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, really? She calls you? I'm like, yeah, man, whatever. So I know I mentioned this to some people, and it was like, I don't believe that guy was here.

1:32:42But then when the case came out, oh, man, listen, I can tell anything. I know I said it before. I can be like, yo, the spaceship comes down, and the Martians saw I have sex with the Martians. And they could be like, really? The Martians? They don't believe anything now, because my credibility is forgiven, you know what I'm saying? Did you ever have feelings for her? Did you ever grow feelings towards her? No. No, no, no. So, I told you, everything was about my... It was a... Ego. Yeah, it was an ego thing. And then even if it was, this was one thing that I mentioned, even if there was an opportunity, where I thought, you know, maybe she likes me, you know?

1:33:22It was one time they, she reached out, and I was in an amusement park, like, a few hours away. Like, and she was like, hey, are you available tonight? And, you know, I told you I'd see them Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and I was like, oh, man, I can't make tonight. Maybe can we just do it tomorrow? And she was like, oh, okay, could you send somebody else? I was like, I'm not special. You know what I'm saying? So that right there made it clear, this is not a connection. This is just a good time. So how did the court case come about? How did you get called as a witness? What evidence did they have on you?

1:34:05No, it wasn't necessarily what evidence. I mean, obviously she had to give them my information. You know, there was no one else involved. Like, he's not going to give them my information. So she had to tell them I was involved and investigators just contacted me. And that shows you that she has been compromised because why would she give all those names if it's her that's calling them? So she's clearly made a deal beforehand. Because she's the one calling the mayor escort. She's the one organizing it. She's the one orchestrating it. He's only sitting there having a fucking wank. And also she's clearly been offered something.

1:34:43because why give all those names up? Why not just deny it? Who knows? Because nobody else could prove it. Yeah. Yeah, man. Um, yeah, I, I, I felt like, uh, you know, again, if she's not testifying against him, she's a co-conspirator based on the charges. What you thinking then when the police come knocking? Um, you know, man, I was in the now up until literally probably about a couple of weeks before the trial that I would ever testify. I just, based on my experience and what I was actually involved in, I just didn't see how my testimony helped the government. You know, I have some theories now after the fact, but I didn't even get a chance to, like, even...

1:35:33because I was like, ah, they're not gonna call me. You know, they're not gonna call me. What would they call me for? So, and then all of a sudden, I'm on a stand. It was like, this is crazy. So I didn't really get a chance to process it. It was scary, obviously, you know, with the federal government, like the FBI, showing up to your home, you know. But, you know, I didn't really think much of it, you know. Maybe I was naive of the process, but I didn't think much of it until it became this huge thing. What was Diddy actually charged with? What was his full charges? He was, it was sex trafficking, racketeering, and the Man Act, which is providing transportation for prostitution.

1:36:17And that's the one he got convicted of. And there was no way around that. That's just literally buying plane tickets, hotel rooms and stuff where he flew. And it wasn't me. Uh, I only saw him in New York City, where he flew certain escorts to different, uh, cities to meet him and Cassie. Did you feel a bit disappointed that you weren't getting flights to meet them? So, remember, man, I didn't find any of this stuff out to the trial. Like, I thought I was the only guy, and I thought they broke up, and so we broke up. You know? They broke up and we broke up, you know? As if you were being cheated on.

1:36:57No, but I would tell you at times, Uh, I know, I know when it was like publicly announced that they broke up when I was still involved. I was like, oh, that's it. They're never gonna call again. Like I, I remember having a reaction cause like I told you, man, like, like, you know, my perception of it and this beautiful woman calling, paying me thousands of dollars was like a big deal, man, for my ego. So how does it all work then when you're getting, you have to work with the prosecutors to then give evidence. Like, how many days were you at court? I testified only one day. One day, and it might have been an hour and a half.

1:37:42And I had maybe three meetings with the federal government prior, where they just asked me a ton of questions. And then they did something which was called like a mock cross. a mock direct and a mock cross, where they get me in a room, and one attorney is... She's just going through the questions she's gonna ask me, and then I have to answer them. And then another attorney act like Diddy's lawyer and then ask me a bunch of questions. And I think that's what threw my testimony off, because they assumed that Diddy's counsel was gonna try to discredit me, was gonna attack me, was gonna attack my credibility.

1:38:31So in all of our mock, or let's call it like practice, for those that aren't aware, all of our practice simulation of the trial, they would say things to discredit me and try to rattle me and talk real fast and stuff like that to get me to say something, or try to get me to say something out of sorts. Um, what Diddy's counselor actually did was the opposite. They affirmed my credibility. You know, the conversation was, hey, look, you've been a male entertainer for over 25 years. When you come into a room, you have to make sure that a woman is comfortable with your interaction, which is a fact, right?

1:39:11I can't just come in and just start jumping on people. I have to read the room to see who's comfortable with interaction. And they said, okay, and you had 25 years of experience with this. When you went to deal with Cassie, were you reading the room? were you making sure that everything was cool? And that is a fact. I was reading the room, and I did not get any cues of any distress or anything like that. And that was a whole different direction of how I was cross-examined to, um, use my experience of gauging the scenario that it was consensual. Yeah, it's such a strange thing. It's all weird. But how was Diddy looking?

1:39:55How was he looking at court? Oh, man, he was, you know, you can tell that the stress of everything in the moment had weighed on him, man. You could see the weight loss, the grades, the, yeah, you know, he was, he was, you know, he was facing life in prison. So it took a toll. yeah because you're in favor more for diddy by by not saying anything really negative why did he not use any witnesses diddy why would he not bring all the witnesses out for to help with his character because it's a risk it's a risk like look look what happened with me right the the government put me up there as someone to favor their case and i ended up favoring the defense.

1:40:45So, every time you put somebody on a stand, you take that secondary chance also. Right? So, you know, his side felt like they didn't prove their case, and I think they were correct. You know, there was there was nothing that could directly, especially with my testimony, there was nothing that can directly lend to sex trafficking. And that was the whole point. I think him putting somebody up there just, just gave the chance of hurting, you know, if they were aggressively cross-examined or they said the wrong thing. So that was why I was smart. How was it when it all was all over? How was it when he got convicted?

1:41:31Was that a lot of stress and pressure on your own life? Yeah. I mean, I was in denial, man, but just going through whole process, I didn't realize how much of a toll it just took in general on, you know, a good four months out of my life just became... the interaction of that trial. And it kind of, you know, put me in a light or in a category where everything is just damage control. You know, damage control. Look, at the end of the day, name my decisions, I own them, you know. I will never say I'm a victim or whatever, But I went from just a normal guy to a worldwide known escort.

1:42:21Frostitute. It's crazy, man. It's crazy. And so now that's something that I have to manage for the rest of my life. Like, real story, man. Like, a good... I went to a funeral yesterday, and it was a childhood friend's dad died or whatever, And I'm there, and there's hundreds of people, and I can tell it's like a fishbowl. Like, that's the dirty guy. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's, you know, it's just, it puts you in a limelight of everybody has an opinion, and you gotta have thick, tough skin, man. But you know what? I'm built for it, man. I, I, as crazy as it sounds, man, I'm, I'm, I'm happy for it.

1:43:06You know, I'm happy for it. We got one life to live, man. And, you know, I think for how ugly this trial was and how things went and my involvement of it, I think the way that I ended up coming out of it is about as the best that I could hope for. You know, I don't think, um, uh, I don't think a large percentage of people look at me in a real, truly negative light and just, I made some bad decisions. Yeah, I think you come across good. You come across very calm. Even your previous interviews and what you've done at court, I think you're very credible. I just think there's no bullshit. You're very open and honest.

1:43:47You're a stripper. That's what you've done. It's not as if you're denying it. It's just went worldwide. What are you going to do? It's going to have brought you more work, I would imagine. Yeah, yeah. And like I said, there's still a platform here, man, because my biggest rejoice is the guys that read my book and they get that help, and I get messages and DMs, and thank you for saying this, and... and, um, it created that men's self-help platform for me that I can honestly say, without this exposure, I probably wouldn't have the opportunity on this level, you know? Do you think that he is gay?

1:44:27Um, I mean, if you listen to the stories, right? You know, you listen to that documentary and guys are waking up next to them with their butts. So, you know, I mean, look, man, I don't know, man. Like, all I can speak on is from my experience. And like I said, I spoke to a bunch of the other male escorts. He didn't try anything with anybody. Obviously, he has enough money and enough power that if he wanted sexual experiences with men, you know, but, you know, I don't wanna, look. Speculate. I'm a... I'm 1 ,000 % straight guy. And if you look at half of the comments and half of the stuff or whatever, there's all this speculation about my sexuality.

1:45:18I think as a man, when you get to a certain point of popularity or notoriety where people know there's just, for some reason, it's a thing to do, is to question the man's sexuality. I don't know why it's had some sort of, I guess, discredit, you know, trying to drag him down, but... Because it wasn't just one escort, though, it was Minnie. So you don't know if he's getting his pleasure watching the man or, obviously, maybe watching his missus getting fucked, but... It's just strange behavior for an arrister, you know? like how he's, they've been so brazen about it. It's not being really secretive.

1:45:55It's not as if, it's just reading an ad and picking a number and just going for it. Listen bro, it's not strange behavior, man. If you think he's only A-listed doing that. Oh, not a thing of it. Yeah. But just with his status, I just think they could have done it a bit more discreetly. I mean - Or maybe that's their kick. But I don't, but see, this is the thing. I don't think he had to do it discreetly. Like you got, you got, it's access, right? So if you are Sean Combs, right? So in 2012, 2013, if I wanted to go on some platform, remember there wasn't social media where you can get a thousand followers and just talk to the world, right?

1:46:40That wasn't a real platform back then for you to do that. But there were guys that came out that tried to say this and nobody paid them any attention. There was no credibility. We just got to a point in society where you can speak on your sexuality. That's what the whole Me Too movement and stuff was about, where now there were women that wouldn't come forward with being sexually assaulted because nobody would listen to them and nobody would believe them. So think about it. If women could not find a place to express and voice what was going on. Who's listening to a man? And who's believing him?

1:47:22And it's very easy for the kids, oh, I don't believe that guy. There was one of the escorts that a pitcher was showed. His name is Jonathan Hardy. And he did an interview years ago saying that he was doing exactly what we were all doing that came out in the trial. And nobody paid him no attention. And think about it. If you are Sean Combs and you have this type of control over the music industry and the media, and hey, look, you want to report on your music station that I'm doing these type of things, and I don't have access to my artists, access to this, you want my music, you know? Like, it's just...

1:48:03certain things you just don't put out there based on how do you quantify it? Where's the credibility? If the only people in the room is me, Cassie, and Diddy, and I want to come out and go public with it, Cassie's not going to say nothing. Diddy's not going to say anything. So how do I, who's going to listen to me? So you weren't using a condom? Yeah, no, man. Bad back. Yeah, it's a wild boy, man. I would have done this.

1:48:36Time to rejudge it. Yeah, wild boy, man. I was like, look, I done stuck my piece in. A lot nastier.

1:48:46So how was it then? Do you have kids? No. No, thank God. Thank God. You don't have kids? Nah, man. With all those women? Triple black belt on the pullout, man. That's dedication, brother. Yeah, dude. Look, man, I'm so serious. I pull out when I jerk off. No kids, so you not have that sort of added pressure that your kids then know. Yeah, there was, luckily for me, there was no, there wasn't a person that when this information came out, it was like, oh man, like a level of embarrassment that I had to deal with. You know? I think it's a cool story. I think it's fucking, it's not, it's not a bad story.

1:49:27It would be different if he was fucking, it would be different if all that shit. That would have been cool. You were hiding in a closet cage, you know what I'm saying? Where you're fucked. You know what I'm saying? It's come out, Diddy's doing this to you, X, Y, and Z, and Cassie's all out. And you're thinking, what the fuck? Like that's different. I think sleeping with her, him getting the mask on, and it's not that deep, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they sensationalized it, man, to make it. But I think that worked in his favor. I think it worked in his favor that leading up to the trial was all this craziness, kids and trafficking, and this, that, and the other.

1:50:03And when it actually came out, it was just him, his girlfriend, and bringing in another guy. I think that helped him. because people were expecting to hear all this crazy stuff, and then when it just was that, I was like, that's it? That's what I thought. I thought Kids and Justin Bieber, and my mind went with it, because there was so much online. There was so much. That's why now you've got to step back until you hear everything. Even the 50 Cent stuff. Like, I was a big fan of 50, but I think, I think he's went a bit too much. I think he's went a bit too much. Yeah, I mean, I think. And I think it's all because he was fucking his baby Yeah, I mean, I would have to say, you know, Fiddy's a Cancer, I'm a Cancer, right?

1:50:48So I think if I had a... somebody that I was associated with, like a peer, and I know this peer has access to thousands and thousands of beautiful women, like, for him to focus, to connect with my kid's mom. And not just connect with a, connect with a way where I'm hiring dudes and we're doing this crazy stuff and all of that. I would, I would feel a way. I would feel a way. And, you know, it, you can say that him going after that specific woman is a, is a message and a fuck you to 50. And he said, fuck you back. You know? He's not a man to have been, to have a grievances with because he's petty.

1:51:39He's so petty. But then Big Gene, the bodyguard who he interviewed, he said he used to do the same with Tupac. He used to sleep with all Tupac's ex-girlfriends. So he must have some fetish or some sort of control or power where that's his way of getting back at these people a bit of jealousy. So he'll go the sort of dark route. So if he's done all that and it's malice, then fuck him as well, you know? Like I'm trying to look at all aspects and trying to go, is he a good guy? Is he a bad guy? We just never know. Yeah, and I don't even see that as a good guy or a bad guy, man. I know multiple guys, and if we all really think about it, I know multiple guys that they have a thing where I guess they'll see their buddy with a beautiful woman or whatever, and their envy competitive gene would want to go after that woman.

1:52:29And I know multiple guys personally who prey on and approach women that their friends been with, that I've been with. You know, I have one male friend that befriends every single one of my ex-girlfriends. You know? So I think that's just something that men do. It's just, when you see it in somebody of that status, it just creates something, you know, it's gonna stick out more. But that's common behavior. What about the erectile dysfunction stuff? What sort of stuff? What happens? How did it start? So for me,

1:53:13everybody tells you with erectile dysfunction, just take a pill. And what I had, after years and years of taking all type of pills and going to see doctors and getting, you know, electric shocks and all this stuff to try to circulation, PRP injections and all that, I realized that more than, and this is a fact, more than 50 % of men with erectile dysfunction is psychological. There's nothing wrong with you physically. And when I finally got a full workup, there was nothing wrong with me physically. It was all anxiety-based. And once you have a failure sexually, it gets in the back of your head and you have another failure and you depend on the pills.

1:53:59And if you have a failure with the pills, then forget about it. You become desperate. And the science behind it is anxiety releases a hormone called cortisol. And cortisol constricts your blood vessels. So if you're releasing cortisol in a sexual moment, it's not going to work. So, you know, a quick way you can figure it out is if... Like, I would have a scenario where I'll pop a Viagra, and the girl will come by, and it won't work. But then she'll leave, and then I'm sitting in there watching SportsCenter like this. You know what I'm saying? So, if in the moment things don't work, but outside of the moment you can achieve it, then you...

1:54:41it's probably anxiety. And, you know, what... Another thing that is very important that I use, that I should have just kept using because it's foolproof, I don't know if we can get in the UK, but in the U.S. there's this company called Sword Vitality, and they sell this cream. So just like cars and stuff like that need maintenance, right? You can't just drive a car 100 ,000 miles with maintenance. Nobody teaches men how to have maintenance for your genital, right? I remember when I was 15 years old and I first started text, you can blow on my unit. And it's like, oh, man, I can feel all the nerves and sensations.

1:55:22I get older. And it's like, man, if I put this condom on, I ain't going to feel nothing. So they sell this cream that it's made of this cacao powder and a mixture. And you actually, like a lotion, you rub it in and it rejuvenates the nerves and everything in your penis. that I was using this thing successfully for years. And it was like everything. And it actually, the rejuvenation actually can actually give you a little bit extra size. And, you know, I would tell a guy, if you're dealing with it, first figure out if it's anxiety. I would try something like this Sword Vitality Company, which that cream like works wonders in terms of like regenerating your nerves and healing yourself, and it's like a good product or something sort of, something similar to that, something that'll heal you holistically and don't just pop the pills because the pills, all the pills do is open your blood vessels.

1:56:26That's it. And then doing nothing fantastic, just opens your blood vessels for more blood flow. But if you deal with the anxiety of it, you're going to constrict them, and your anxiety is stronger than the pills. and as far as just if you want a little bit more size or if you want more sensation or just heal you from a real holistic way then i would try uh like that product but could it have also been with all the women you've slept with and like all the stuff you're putting around your dick with the pumps and stuff absolutely not man i told you i went to the doctor nothing wrong regular blood flow, regular, whatever, I told myself.

1:57:04How common is this? Like I told you, man, more than 50 % of cases. And look, I don't have to tell you how common it is. I don't know how TV works here, but I guarantee you, you'll be here tomorrow. It'll be NFL games on, right? Every time there's a commercial break, you're going to see a commercial for Viagra, Cialis, testosterone boosters. If you go into any corner store, you'll see the pills behind the counter. It's an epidemic of men struggling, and they want to keep us struggling, right? They want to keep us struggling because it's big money. It's big money. And, you know, me, myself, you know, before I really understood to the fullest degree, I wanted to fix it at all costs, so I went out and got a penis implant, right?

1:57:54So that's something that's not told to men because it's a one-time fix and it's the best fix ever. So you got men with diabetes, circulation problems, prostate cancer, stuff like that, that they don't even pitch this to as something to correct the situation because it's more money to write your script. and you're just on the drugs and the insurance company paying for the surgery, which is covered. And then that right there, you know, man, this implant, man, is going to feel like a superhero, man. So what's the penis implant? So, um... The way you get an erection is on either side of your pee hole.

1:58:49There's two straws that run from your testicles to the tip. These straws is what fill up with blood when you get an erection. What they'll do with a penis implant is they'll make a small incision in your testicle, and they put cylinders. Listen, I hear you, bro, but trust me. they put cylinders in this up these straws. Now, mind you, you made the pain face, but all your nerves and stuff is on the outer. They're deep inside. So it's almost like somebody who has like a metal rod for like their bone, right? You don't feel that, right? So what this did was it gave me control of my erection. I can literally, they put the two rods in.

1:59:35they connect it to a little pump that they drop in your testicles. So my testicles feel like I have like three nuts, like three testes, right? You can't tell it's inconspicuous. And then they put a little reservoir somewhere in your body by your bladder, they put a little reservoir, and they put saline fluid in it, the same fluid that's for breast implant. And when it's time for sex, I can just give my balls a couple of clicks. And my man, like the name of my book, Freeza Meat, hardest meat you ever could come across. And listen... It's like a set of Reebok pumps in there. Yeah, I got the pump.

2:00:12I got to pump my balls, and it's a problem. Is that what it is? You can press the pump and it goes? Yeah, man. You know, you press it, and you can control. It's not like one pump and it's like... But it's, I would say, it takes about 40 pumps to get fully erect, and it's the hardest erection. You can get everything where it's normal. You're still gonna orgasm. You're still gonna get the sensations. You're still gonna get all the benefits of sex. But now, I have a never-ending erection, man. It didn't, it doesn't go down unless I put it down. How much was that? Here in the States, I, I'd used the best doctor at the time, and it was 32 grand, 32K.

2:00:57And my man, if, if you told me right now, Um, it was 320 grand. I'd be like, sign me up. What it does for you as a man, especially if you're struggling with your sexuality, it's... man, yeah. Um, um... How long was that procedure? The procedure itself is like 20 minutes long. It's not a... What? Yeah, it's like 20... It's a 20-minute procedure. Uh, I will say the first three days of healing is a bitch, you know? But it's well worth it, man. Like, you know, for me, struggling with sexual performance, and remember, there was nothing wrong with me, man. This was mental. I was just so far going, I didn't want to go through the process of trying to get my mind right.

2:01:45I just wanted a fix. I wanted to be sexual. I wanted my sexual ability back, and then I'll work on whatever mental stuff from that point. and I think this is an option for men who are really struggling. It should be spoke about more. It should be put out there more because, you know, I know a lot of guys who got into their mid-40s, early 50s and started having issues and kind of just, you know, there's this thing where they tell us where, well, I'm aging, this is what happens and you just accept it and you should never trade away your sexuality. Yeah, because I think there's a thing called Peyronie disease as well.

2:02:32Peyronies, yeah. Where it's like the scar tissue, but it happens in like over 20, 30 % of males, I think. Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, Peyronies,

2:02:45so one of the things that they prescribe to you when you're dealing with erections is the injections. You mentioned it about the porn stars and stuff. And injections, that's another thing that over a period of time will create scar tissue. And it can give people Peyronie. So that's why I didn't even want to. I got to the point where the injections were an option for me. But then when I saw, hey, look, you can develop the Peyronies, there was no way. and I don't know if somebody with severe Peyronie's, if the implant is down, you gotta consult your doctor, but I think if you're out there and you're struggling with your sexuality, and you've tried all the other things and nothing's working for you, you should definitely look into it, man, if your sex life matters to you.

2:03:38Don't, too many guys give up on it, man. Do not give up on your sex life. How are you feeling today, Bella? Dude, I'm fantastic. Dude, I'm here talking about the stuff I love, my life. I'm honored to be on your show, man. Thank you. Thank you for being here because this is dope, man, to sit here and talk about this stuff, man. This is fantastic, man. Yeah, the Americans are different. Like it's such, there's such easy conversations with Americans. Like there's, I love New York. I love the people. I love Americans. I think they're brilliant. I think they're honest. I think it's something to be admired, you know, because people are just so open about their life, what they go through, what they've done.

2:04:23You're just here sitting saying, you've got a pump in your balls. It works. You're happy with it. There's no airs or graces. And I think it's a beautiful thing. That's why I enjoy conversations here because of the flow. And I'm surprised you understand my accent. Okay, I can see you concentrating a little hard, you know, I don't want to... Yeah, it took, in the beginning, I was like, but I caught on, I caught on. I got the cadence, I got the flow, I caught on. So, nah, we're good. So, what's plans for the future? Man, look, I'm just back at it, man. Like, I'm gonna go full force into the men's self-help stuff.

2:04:58You know, my, again, my book, In Search of Freezer Meat, is the mental health crisis that erectile dysfunction causes, and that's helping a lot of men. You got your hardreset.com. That's going to be a community with some tools to help, you know, get your masculinity back, get your sex life back from a way that's not just get a private jet and a Lamborghini and the girls love you. It'll really teach you how to heal those wounds that you said we never really heal. And I'm just gonna go full force with that, man. I think there's a lane there. And one thing that anyone will speak on after they have a meeting after my book, because there's all of these personal stories, and they're hilarious, man.

2:05:45It's not a serious book. I make fun of myself. Makes like they're hilarious. I'm actually into serious talks where they want to take my book and make it into a series. Yeah, good. Yeah, so I'm excited about that. Hopefully, fingers crossed. For people who maybe want to reach out, because it's such a sensitive topic, you know, that sort of stuff, and a lot of people don't want to speak about it so freely. But just in case, what's your social media is for people to drop you a follow or give you a message, maybe ask you questions? Oh, absolutely, man. It's at GetPunished on Instagram. You can reach me.

2:06:19Again, it's yourheartreset.com. That's where you'll be able to find a community. The book is In Search of Freeza Meat. Um, the web, there's also a website, uh, freezing me, um, freezing me ed.com. Any of these places you can reach me. And, uh, I get guys at DME daily. I answer questions, man. I'm passionate about this. Uh, please don't hesitate, man. Reach out. If you struggling, if you, uh, need your mind, right. And to get your mojo back and get back. I was there, man. I went from like a sex symbol guy with all the girls to, you know, completely losing myself as a man, you know. And it happens to a lot of us and we need to support each other and get things back.

2:07:07So do not hesitate to reach out, whatever way you can catch me. Did you ever get therapy? No, no. I never went for therapy. So here's, and this is a real story. The biggest trauma and betrayal that I had, the woman was a therapist. She was a therapist. And she actually used her being a therapist against me. I remember when I first met her, she gave me all of these surveys to fill out and these tests to take and all of that. And she kind of diagnosed me and then used the diagnosis and understanding of me to dive into my vulnerabilities. And, you know, learning about therapy, dealing with her for years, and not saying there's not great therapists and there's not a benefit from it for some people, but you have to know what you want to work on and be willing to work on it from that space for it to really help you.

2:08:09If not, you're just, to me, going to an event. And a lot of times, working on this thing here, I didn't even understand what was going on with me to work on it. I didn't know. I didn't know. And it took some deep, deep, deep understanding. It took correcting my sexual issue to a foolproof scenario to then realize, all right, this is the deeper part of it, right? This is the deeper part of it that I didn't understand and I couldn't help myself with, but maybe I can help others now. And maybe you don't have to get an implant, even though I'm not saying you shouldn't, but there's steps that I probably could have took before that I didn't have the understanding to.

2:08:55Because, again, who wants to talk about this stuff? the shame where you're sweeping under the rug, so you have to be put in a platform, a real safe scenario to talk about it openly. And look, I'm going to be the first one to do it. Once you've got 800 ,000 subscribers, you're going to know I clicked my balls, right? Right? You know what I'm saying? Talk to you. Talk to you. I think that clip will probably go viral, brother. What do you think then? For anybody that's maybe struggling right now, first of all, just before we finish up, do you think you'll ever settle down? Do I think of who? Do you think you'll ever settle down?

2:09:38Do I think I'll ever settle down? I want to. Like right now, with the understanding and the healing that I have, it's 100 % possible, man, because there's no more validation. You know, one of the biggest problems as men, and we're wired, we, society now has us looking for validation and all the wrong things. And now that I understand that my validation is inner, it's within me, it's not what my woman thinks, it's not the car I got parked outside, it's not the amount of money in my bank account, it creates a whole... It creates me as a whole person, which I never even felt before. You know, from as long as I can remember, I've been validating myself through other things.

2:10:25and now feeling whole, my connections are different now. So yeah, I think for the first time in my life, I think I definitely can settle down. For anybody that's watching, that's maybe in a life of struggle, what advice would you have for them? You know, the first thing I would say if you're struggling as a man, whether it be sexually, mentally, emotionally, any of those spaces, man, the first thing you have to do, and it may sound cliche or whatever, is you have to ask yourself, is the person you are really you? And that sounds simple, but that's, you know, we go through so many changes as men in terms of being the man that our woman's gonna love, of being the man that's gonna be respected by our friends, being the man that makes our parents proud, being the man that shows up as a good dad.

2:11:31And all of these changes based on other people's needs, you lose yourself. And I lost myself to a degree where I didn't even know who I was. Like, the person that I woke up that I was every day was just a whole bunch of characters that I was playing. and as long as you're stuck in these characters, you'll never feel whole. So I think the first question that a man has to ask himself

2:12:03is the person that I show up as every day, is that who I am? Or is that a collection of facades and masks that I put on to present to the people that I love and I'm sacrificing, right? because this is who they need. It's the first thing a man has to do. My brother, would you like to finish up on anything else? No, bro, this was great. I'll just reiterate it for the 15th time. Book in search of Frieza Me. Amazon, all platforms, Your Heart Reset. Learn about a penis implant. You don't want to do the implant, try Sword Vitality or some other supplements. and reach out to me anytime, fellas. You know, this is a movement, man.

2:12:51We got to support ourselves as men. And getting older doesn't end anything, man. Just, you know, the world is still yours, man. And you got to look at it and believe it that way. Just a round-up sort of thing as well. Because you lived it firsthand with the Diddy and Cassie stuff and you were at the court case. What's your whole rundown on it? Just a short version, your whole rundown of that sort of experience with them both? What do you think happened? What do you think it was all about? You know, early on in this interview, I mentioned that I stopped dating single women because I understood that they have hopes of love and relationship in the bigger picture.

2:13:31And when I realized that I was just there for sex and I was wasting their time and wasting a woman's time, especially if she connects to you, is a deeply traumatic thing. I think Diddy and Cassie's relationship was the highest level of that. I believe Cassie is a very young woman, turned herself into whatever Diddy needed. And she had this crazy sexual life and she experienced all these things. And at the end of the day, they went their separate ways. He's off doing it with another woman, and she's picking up the pieces. And I think from just an emotional betrayal, hurt scenario, that was extremely impactful for her.

2:14:20And she gave away, you know, her prime years of her life. And she felt that she wanted some sort of restitution and recourse. And I'm not even necessarily faulting her for that. and it became, it was, I really say, and, you know, beat me up for it, I think it was a resentment of a woman who gave her all and beyond to a man that amounted to nothing. She needed to be okay. She wanted to be taken care of it as if they were married and it was a divorce and a settlement or whatever, and then on that facet, and that just spiraled into a criminal case circus. My brother, listen, I thoroughly enjoyed your story.

2:15:11I wish you nothing but the best for the future, and I look forward to seeing what you do. Hopefully you can stay out of trouble, but yeah, keep doing what you're doing. Good luck and all the best. Thank you, my brother. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you, man.

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