I Won’t be Silenced - Katie Hopkins Opens Up

30:44100 % that will be true. When you become too much of a threat and there is a decision to eliminate you, it might not be. So let's just say I am on the coastline in southern Italy watching humans being ferried across from Africa. And let's just say that those individuals coming over are Muslims, let's say. So what will happen with this gathering force of darkness is they won't send maybe the Muslim council out to make a complaint or a signed letter from the head of the Muslim councils or all of the leaders of all of the mosques. They'll send actually instead the chief rabbi and the board of deputies.

31:24So they work in a cohort to leverage the complaints and they're going to do it to get Neil Oliver of GB News. That'll be done within the week. And I think it's already happening. Board of deputies. My point is, of course, you're a threat and you will question how much you want to continue that. But it's so important what you're doing and our numbers are growing. And I bet you can feel the support is kind of surging towards you because people have a thirst for what you're doing. I think it's really important. And I think it's really brilliant of you, I mean this genuinely, that you didn't take one of the contracts you were offered because one of the really obvious mechanisms of control is to make you in-house somewhere where there are all sorts of control mechanisms that can be immediately placed on you contractually.

32:13Yeah. When did you realise that, though? Because the smoke and mirrors, you know, the glitz and the glamour sex is fuck. Right. Do you know what I mean? you can be brainwashed and then if you are getting offered all this stuff it's such a turn on you don't want to lose it that's why I've got so much respect to everybody that gets cancelled because I go they've done something right and it's brutal people say cancel culture and it's like oh I got cancelled off Twitter and you're like okay but yeah so let's I'm the Daily Mail columnist I'm most read I'm being read more than Piers Morgan and he knows it I can't help it get that in there I'm saying I'm talking about the private, deeply satisfying things.

32:54Piers is on the phone to the editor to try and get his column higher up on the page than mine, because mine's being made. Like stuff I know about that was very, very satisfying that I never talked of. And then I'm on a boat in Cannes because it's the advertisers weekend and I'm the host of the panel. And there's all these famous people. I don't even know who they are. Jason Derulo, I got to like dance at his crotch, was very exciting. That was Daily Mail. And then when I started pushing, pushing to do, to be on the road, to be in the jungle at Calais, to be on the road in southern Italy, to be really amongst the heart of the stuff I'm writing about, which is what I love.

33:31That is when it all changed and all of this glitter and yachts and beating Piers Morgan just sort of collapsed away. And I just saw all of this control. And I know people speak of the matrix, but the matrix of control that actually permits what you can say and what you can't. And on a certain day, like a switch is flicked, it descends. And I think being completely a cancel is too weak, being completely removed from life pushes you to a point. And genuinely, I considered just walking out of my house and taking myself off to go swing because there comes a point where as a parent, you believe the only way you can protect your kids is to off yourself.

34:24because when your kids are being reported to social services that you're an abusive mother or you've got a couple of people coming to behead you in your home and it's being fitted with panic alarms, it's very clear that you are presenting a danger and a risk to your own kids. You become the magpie. I was the magpie in my own nest. I know you're a strong person. I know you've spoke out against many people, but when were you at your weakest through all that? It's come a few times. There's been times of really dark.

35:03I guess when they took, I have to be careful how I phrase it because I do own this. It is my responsibility. I am accountable. So if I say when they took my house, well, they didn't just come and take my house, did they? I wrote a tweet about someone that was incorrect. I deleted it. I apologized for it. I offered to meet. I offered to do whatever was required to try and correct my wrongs in the way I spoke to you of. But that wasn't enough. And a new law was made that serious harm was done at the time of publication. And that created a legal, I guess, a new legal reference, a new law that meant anybody, if you perceived that I'd done you serious harm over the last five years, you should come and sue me tomorrow.

35:52that's how the law stands right now and it meant I lost my home so it meant I had to go down a kind of bankruptcy process and they took like some of my husband's stuff as well I didn't mean stuff I mean money so that was dark and not the financial stuff not not money per se just the home with my children's stuff and they really liked that home because we all it was a lot of fun and um that was bad.

36:24The beheading attempt was all right. I found the assassination of Katie Hopkins, the play that the government funded, part funded, and the posters going up. And my mother was particularly upset by those. I found that difficult to explain because everybody thought it was a very, you know, high-minded laughing matter. And you just feel like, oh, you're so far from that. And then I think when I got, I was duped into accepting a trophy called the Cunt Award. I can't tiptoe around the words. I hate that word. I never say it. And it wasn't the humiliation of me. And it wasn't just that I was tired and had been stupid and had been foolish.

37:08It was actually that I'd been tricked into going there because they said it was for white farmers. And I'd spent three months in South Africa with white farmers. I loved them. And I'd been super kind. And the gentleman who was the white farmer who'd been attacked, allegedly, that's what got me there to get the trophy, well, to give a speech in support. on the day the boy that pulled the stunt said oh he's ill so he can't come and I'd offered to go and visit him in his bed and take him a whiskey and that was a moment for me because it wasn't the humiliation it was that I genuinely believed I was being kind and ultimately I know I am actually kind and quite I'm quite a decent sort of person and that level of shame that was and using something I cared about that was probably another time I was happily to just get out the door I just wanted to go and lie under a sea I see you're a good person everything's energy you clearly got a great energy you are a good person you kind of live that life where that's who you were at that start and saying things and a lot of the shit you say I believe I believe in what you say a lot of shit I think that's a bit much of a dandrew tate on if it told me on I don't agree with everything they say I talk pure shite sometimes that's why I've got the success I've got it's because it's pure shite I talk sometimes I say do you know what James I think I'm a genius then other times I think nah you're just psychotic pulling the wool over every fucking buddy's eyes yeah but it's good to flick between the two at least you have moments where you're like shit I think I'm actually really good at this but also you me Tate Tommy all of us boys we never once asked you'll never find a clip of you saying to people I want you I demand that you agree with everything I say and that's always the bit I pick up with people when they say oh okay I don't agree with everything you say but and I say oh remember I never asked you to because it is that we never asked that we just said our stuff and we were confident that we were all right to be not liked and I absolutely feel that way and what's happened funnily enough is because the world went so mad and went kind of 180 on its head I'm having this weird thing where instead of being the big dark malevolent biggest bitch in Britain I end up being this person that people like shit me she isn't so bad after all and she will just speak her line and in this age where everyone's hiding we need kind of strong we need strong voices yours Tate Tommy and I'm having this I'm so lucky to be given this second chance to do my stand up or be online or have this amazing audience and people are really marvellous what do you think it's all about Katie it's coming what the fuck is it all about because I always say this on podcasts there's no blueprint on manual how we should be living life always for a little fortune and fame I'm nowhere near the level I'm going to get to but I know how damaged it can be to the mindset to try and just speak about life and other people's stories and the shit that you can get from that as well, I'm just a normal kid from Glasgow it came from fucking nowhere to then be creating something special that's only just blossoming and yet the shit that you get and you think why?

40:34What are you so angry at? Yeah, yeah, yeah and I think you know so I am relentlessly and endlessly like optimistic and positive and like upbeat because I know this story ends well so I don't know what time frame that's over I certainly don't consider it to be in my time frame because I'm not I'm not here for the long haul like I haven't got like a terminal uh illness just yet but old age never appealed like if I go out I want to go out she died standing up so So I'm not around so much longer, but I believe that the story ends brilliantly. I also believe that our paths are already set. So every time in this damn life, whenever I've thought, OK, I need to clear out of this and protect my kids, something, something has happened that just made me go, wait a minute.

41:27And something comes in your path. So I believe the more you are free and throw yourself to the path, the more your life opens up. and yours surely is going to do exactly as you say. And then I also know that good does prevail. And I also know that never in modern history has there been a greater civilian militia than right now in America. Because every time Biden does something stupid, Americans go out and buy another weapon and they are preparing. And all over this fine country, one of the things I'm doing that I don't speak of, but I speak of here, is I'm building a network of speakeasies. And many of them have been built already without me.

42:09I'm not taking credit. And I go from town to town, groups of 100, 150, 250, meeting in above cafes, above underwear shops. People are gathering. And it is like the time of prohibition for drink. Now it's speech. And that to me is a vast army of people that are gathering purely because they need each other. And that's what my stand-up gigs are as well. We look around the room and go, hilly-dooly, we're loads and we're pretty fine. And this is an exciting time. And we are facing darkness. We're going to be pushed and squeezed. We're going to be forced out of our private vehicles. We're going to be forced out of our homes.

42:51We're going to have every freedom we ever knew in our lives taken. And that's coming right now. You see people speaking out there, frightened centre now they're just automatically getting shut down as much as I love people to have free speech and that but you've still got to be careful because they can't just take your life away in a heartbeat so you've got to kind of play it safe I'm not daft so you've got to play it safe that's the trick of the thing and that's exactly what if we take the GB News example they just got rid of Mark Stein because contractually they were trying to make him accountable for his own Ofcom fines which can be£40 ,000 so he walked away so now if you're the rest of the presenters what do you do?

43:28do you ally with Mark Stein and say if you're getting rid of him I'm off too or do you say some platform is better than no platform trying to keep some kind of platform even if we have to restrict and restrain ourselves is better than no platform right and that's the point you're talking to it's a game a frustrating game would you ever be at the forefront like you've done it you just says what you wanted I do it in such a way where I still say it but I still I know how dark it's out there Yeah, and it's good what you're doing. And I think it's smarter. And as my husband said, on the day that I was fired from LBC, one of the many, many jobs I've been fired from, if you know there's an open goal, right, you know, they're looking to kick the ball in the open goal, don't bloody shift out the way, like at least jump around like the goalie, which is sort of effectively what you're doing.

44:17You're ensuring you're standing in front of the goal so they can't just kick the bloody ball in the back of the net and get rid of you. How many times have you been fired? So many. I mean, so many. Any made up excuses to get you fired? I was having a film. No, they're really legit. Like, I was never fired in my sensible phase of my life. Like, I wasn't fired from the army. I just had to leave because of my crazy, wiggly epilepsy that was vile. But I was fired from the UK Met Office, the weather people, mostly because of fucking someone else's husband in a field and associated other terrible behaviours that came out during the apprentice.

44:52So legit, wouldn't he be fair? I was fired from, I wasn't fired from the sun. Murdoch was, oh, Murdoch did once fire me from his helicopter, but his managing editor refused because they ran the column that was kind of held up at the UN General Assembly as being the worst thing that anyone had ever seen. And I was interviewed under caution by the Met Police for that. I was fired from the Daily Mail. Oh, I was let go, but that was pathetic. I was fired for, that was when the darkness descends, Muslim, Jewish. I was fired from LBC. We did that. I was fired from, so I was just taken to Australia to do Celebrity Big Brother over there.

45:32And I was fired from that because I spoke out about the lockdowns whilst being in quarantine. And then I got deported. Yeah. Half a million you were getting for the Australian one. And a bit more. Was that? Yeah, and I was in country at a time when everybody else was locked down and you weren't allowed to go there and you weren't allowed to visit your own relatives and you weren't allowed to visit your father if he was dying. And they brought me in and I gobbed off about that till the cows came home and that really became problematic. So and I guess that's my privilege and why I absolutely would ask that you continue to tiptoe the line in a bold way.

46:14you're not tiptoeing like a ballerina I appreciate that but you're standing your ground within the ground you have it's because it's it's good for me to be out doing what I do facing running towards the spears and it's great for you to keep the platform because people need you and we all have different roles to play I think yours you've already been running 100 million towards that I've got nothing left to lose yeah I think you've been there done it I've just spoke to enough people to understand how this system works. And that's smart. See, I consider that to be like an evolution, right? If we're free speech and we're like the monkeys standing up, you know, you're the evolution of it that keeps the platform.

46:55And I have so much sympathy with that. But I guess my heart will always be with the kind of, you know, rugged forefathers that were like, run towards the machine guns. And I love it. I love that I can't be stopped. You know, you weren't allowed into America without the vaccine. so I turn up in America and I stand on the stage and I say lock me up. How did you get in? I come in via Mexico. What's that? So Mexico. Oh, Mexico? Yeah. Did I say it funny? Did I say it in a southern softy? When you say what's that, I was like, wait, does James not know what Mexico is? And then I was literally in my head thinking, how do I make it so he does without people thinking he's silly?

47:37Who's like going to protect you like a mother? how would you say Mexico? Mexico, just because you delayed it I thought it was some new vaccine or something I came in via Mexico is that how you say it? yeah, great place so but the story goes back a bit because when California was brutally locked down California was like Australia is like it's run by an absolute maniac that thinks he's going to be the next bloody president and he may well be and I went out there when it was proper lockdown and I went in backyards garden to garden doing events, churches that would be open. I had a kind of name over there for doing Fox.

48:15And I was kind of rallying the forces in California. So when America wouldn't let me in because I'm not vaccinated, the good people who I helped rally before came down in a van and they would pick me up from Mexico and I go across the border as an illegal. And then I would stand on a stage. This happened three months ago. And I say, you know, I'm an illegal. bring it locked me up and no one did who did you go with? me yourself yeah just always me do you feel as if that's where you're not bravest but you're happiest yeah when you feel as if you're fucking the system yeah how are you why is there such an American connection with you?

48:56why do you love America? because eventually so I really you know I really really believe in what I do and what you do thank you And I really, really believe in what ordinary people are doing. Then fame matters not. And audience matters not. If you make it through another day and you kept your kids all right, and maybe you managed to stay married or have a girlfriend or boyfriend, or you did something that made you happy for a day, you've done bloody well. That's my belief. And so I really believe in this fight. And I am so lucky now that I am completely free. I don't own stuff. My kids don't have my name anymore.

49:41My husband's isolated from me financially. And I'm on extra time already. Like I had surgery, massive surgery. And I'm already on borrowed years. So I've got this like massive lucky bag of stuff that I can just put on my back. And that's my favorite thing. And the reason I love America so much is because I truly believe that one day it is America that we will call on, not to save us, but it will be like not all of America, I'm certain. Texas, Florida, Virginia, maybe, will become the sort of last bastion of the free world. And from there, we will come again. So we're talking generations down the line.

50:24Do you think you're more accepted in America? Oh, during the years that I was eviscerated here, I was able to use my whatever talents I have. I was able to use them in America. But now, but no, I'll always be, this will always be, people that get me here really get me. And now that my audience has been kind enough to let me back in, this will always be home. But Americans have freedom hardwired into their souls and they can defend it with the Second Amendment. How did you end up in a relationship with Trump? How is he retweeting your stuff in that? How does the President of America start sharing your stuff?

51:01Oh, well, I don't even know how you've got the gall to just sit there to look at me and my boobs and ask that question. I sort of kept looking. That's all the reason I want you here. But, like, how can you even ask, how did Trump end up finding me? Like, really? I think, so I went on, so it started with, I went on a late show in Ireland. is run by a complete frigging dullard of a guy who's, I swear to God, I estimate his cock is no bigger than that finger. And I have a feeling I'm correct and he's called Ryan Turbidey. And I challenge Ryan to show his cock to you. And if I'm wrong, I will blow it.

51:43I mean, it shouldn't take me long, should it? I'll fill them up. But that was a little bit of a back story there. I went on his show and there was outrage, outrage, because I'm going on a show and outrage. Whereas, in fact, every time we went on that show, I had the best time because it's a live audience and we'd have a riot on the show. And we're talking about Trump. He's talking about my love of Trump. And I'm like, yeah, well, it's better to be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy for president. And it kind of broke the studio. And that clip got to Trump. And then behind the scenes at Mail Online, he was very supportive of what I was doing.

52:17and because of their PR people, his PR people, he slightly became enamored with what I would write and then he would tweet me and then. But every time he tweeted me, I'd lose something. So like he tweeted me and they took my PayPal. He tweeted me again and they took my bank account and he tweeted me again. I was like, fuck, stop it, will you? Like they're going to take my clothes next. So, but there's been a joy actually and that was a really fun time of life was being on Fox and having Trump as my wingman. It's funny man the shit that Trump gets but he was the only president never to start a war There you go and the only politician I know of who fought to build his country as opposed to manage its decline How corrupt do you think that presidents and prime ministers are obviously there's people behind them pulling the strings but do you think how dark is it just a conspiracy for these fought or is it a lot deeper than I think it's the darkest it could be.

53:18I genuinely think it's dark. And I still believe in Thatcher. You know, I still believe in her. I appreciate there's so many people who hate her, who were glad she was dead, all that. I get it. But I absolutely admired her tenacity at a time where women weren't in power at all and her ability to get shit done at a time when it was the unpopular decision and for her not to flinch from being hated. Those things were amazing things and we've never seen them again. in a politician, but now bought and paid for. I mean, Rishi Sunak, who even is, what even, I mean, who is invisible? Not even that, but he's short, can't stand short people, wear short trousers.

53:58Don't be short, is he? Oh, he's just minute. He's like five foot. So what am I? I'm five foot nine. He's like, he's literally tiny. I can't explain it to be like four foot, like Sadiq Khan height, like virtually waist height. It's disgusting. There shouldn't be allowed. And, you know, James, an important point is I blame women for short men because no woman should be sleeping with a short man. Get rid of them out. Just the bloodline. What do you think you're all equal rights shit now and all this femininity and masculinity? Oh, such bollocks, isn't it? Women really did the number on themselves.

54:33You know, they want all these rights, all these rights, all these rights. And it just made people frigging unemployable. Like you want to have a baby? Fine. That was sort of your choice. That wasn't the choice of the guy who was trying to earn enough wages to pay you, you silly moo. And the idea that someone's going to pay you to sit on your ass at home with the baby that you chose to have. Like all of that shit I'm not into. Americans have six weeks unpaid maternity leave. I'm all about that. I'm all about proper, proper strong women that accept that they've really stuffed up. Like if you're fat, that's no problem.

55:06But you ate yourself fat. Maybe you've got a medical condition. you could still do something about it it's nothing's a problem if you just own it like i own all of my bad crap like i own it so i'm all right with it why did you get so much stick for the kind of fat shaming kind of what was it check in and weighing at the same time why was it so weighing and when you check in well that's just economic sense isn't it you know the idea that i'm paying i have to pay for my 30 whatever luggage 30 kilogram luggage and yet some fat twat next to me who weighs 240 they don't have to pay that's bullshit but no what really set their blackboard liquors off was it should be window liquors or blackboard scraper shouldn't it but um what set them off was me putting on so what am i eight and a half stone and i put on close to four stone in three months and then uh lost it again in three months to prove that fat people are lazy.

56:04That's what really tripped them, sent them over the edge. And fat me was bloody disgusting. But the point I was trying to make was that we all have choices. And you can choose to do something about stuff if you want to. Why do you think we're living a very soft ingeneration now? Just, just this wanting to be liked. I think it boils down to parents wanting to be liked all the time, being mates. You know, you hear them, don't you, in supermarkets. Hugo, don't do that, darling. Darling, don't do that. You know, my father, boosh. Not saying that was necessarily the right thing. And teachers wanting to be friends and everybody wanting to be loved.

56:48And no one willing just to make the tough decisions, call it straight, say it, get the job done, you know, move on, which is a good military way of being. And we're going to need some of those skills again as we head towards what is coming. Do you think there'll be another war? I think there's going to be a big bloody fight at some point. And if it happens in America, I want to be there for it. But we cannot. We are going to allow 15-minute cities to happen. British people are going to allow their vehicles to be taken from them. An American could not physically process the idea that an energy company could break into your home to fit a prepayment meter while you're not there.

57:31an American cannot understand that concept because it could not happen in America because if you enter an American's home you will be shot I used to believe Britain was one of the strongest nations on the planet it just seems to be coming the weakest even in Scotland fucking a guy raped two girls put a wig on went to court and they're fucking trying to put them in a women's jail if you're a trans if you're born a man you should not be going to a women's prison you should not be competing in women's sports. You should not be competing in pageants. Just fucking, if you want to make changes, be who you want to be.

58:07I always support that. I always state this because I feel as if people come from it, but I always state it, be who you want to be. Do what you want. Fucking leave it away from everybody else. Do what you want. Don't ask us to believe it. Yeah, and just don't try and normalise it. You go do you, leave us be. But no, but I'm not down about it. You know, that's the point is more darkness is coming. so 15 minute cities we'll see Oxford lockdown and South End and wherever else it's coming we'll see more being taken away digital currency we'll see restrictions on how much energy you're allowed to have or use we'll see a credit system come in but at some point a good number of British people are going to stand up and I can feel it already I feel as if people are going to stand up I feel as if but I feel as if like you say there's more darkness coming oh it's coming and I didn't realise how silly people were and how fucking stupid people were And what we need a lot of them to do, just like if I'm running, you know, if I'm running a section or I'm running a platoon, I need to point, I need to find my guys.

59:09So my section leaders would be my four or five key guys that I can rely on. And then I need to get them to handle the stupid ones. Right. And I don't mean that disrespectfully, like stupid as in you're thick. I just mean the ones who don't want a part in it, who aren't going to stand up or who are going to get in the way. so we need all of those people to just get out of the way and those of us who are going to stand up are going to stand up and it's going to be strong and it's going to be mighty and I'm really excited for it whatever guys it takes I think you just like fighting Katie I absolutely love it Do you feel as if you've been fighting the last 15 years non-stop?

59:44Before that Longer? Before that yeah because I'm not at all playing a victim card I don't ever talk really about my epilepsy, but when I had seizures, those seizures got bigger and bigger and bigger until I was having them every single night, three or four a night. And they were big, bastard, violent things. And they would dislocate one or both my arms. I'd bite through my tongue all this lit, which is why it looks a bit funny. And it broke my back once. My point is, every day I'd get up and think, right, when I've got my arms back in and whatever, I'm going to present as if I'm normal. and that continued.

1:00:23I'm probably the first epileptic to get through Sandhurst, The Apprentice, corporate life. All that I've done, until I got cured, I had this massive seizure thing going on secretly at night. So I think I've always had something to fight. I really liked the fight, and now I'm really fortunate because the fight is really for a good thing, which is for ordinary people to live their life just as free as they can be. if you're clearly a fighter or else you wouldn't be at the level you were at and still doing what you're doing do you know what I mean that takes courage and balls one bit of pressure people just fold like a fucking deck of cards now when did it come on top with the head and you had to get the operation like what was it you nearly died yeah yeah you felt it you haven't felt it have you how screamish are you you have to feel it so don't squidge will you because it is actually my brain right so I'm fucking sick I felt it right hold on stay there right can you feel this yeah so that's moving sorry it's not that big to be fair

1:01:29that just confirms a lot of what people have been saying for years that's fucking minging isn't it aren't it are you talking about my vagina both the vagina's better to be fair I know you're nearly 50 but that's better nicked than the fucking head that's flat Batman, isn't it? How big was that operation then? So they got it. It's basically the full Frankenstein. So they get a physical circular saw and they, so the bit that's missing that you just felt for your audience is about that big, like of your skull. So they circular saw that and then they chop from here to here. So it goes from here to here and then they open.

1:02:18so they pull all this back which is obviously why I've got wrinkles but um so they open you like that so they can get in and then they got the bit that's like a tumory thing out threw it away I'm imagining that kind of gesture and then for a while they do this called a bone flap which is fairly disgusting and they put that back in uh because they're supposed to because it's your skull but mine I got meningitis and things were pretty uh not great so so they went back in opened it all back up and then threw it away. So I live like this, like a little boiled egg and you can feel my brain move. That's my best party trick that I have.

1:02:54But it cured me. Can you not get something to cover? They're not getting something to cover it? I tell you what, they turned up in my hospital room with a fucking epileptic dickhead helmet made of foam and I told them to fuck my hands. That'd be funny though. How good is that for your comedy show though? What, yeah. Imagine me walking around with a freaking foam head epileptic. I mean, no disrespect to any kid or parents who've got a child who wears one. Right. If I'm laughing about this, I'm laughing at me. I'm not laughing at your kid. And if your kid's got epilepsy, you know, you have every sympathy of mine and anything I can do, email me and I'll bloody try and help.

1:03:32But there is hope. I'm laughing at myself. Yeah, of course. We've got to laugh. Yeah. Yeah. But I just want to be, you know, because I feel bad. Because it's serious. Yeah, of course. Yeah, kind of. So, yeah, that nearly killed me. But I they tell you before they call it the deficit, which I love it when medical people, you know, use clever words so that, you know, they're not just fucking telling you straight, which is what I prefer. I prefer to sit with you and you go, Katie, look, if this goes tits up, you could lose your left hand. And if this goes tits up your left leg, worst case, you lose your speech and your sight.

1:04:04That's basically what it was. So and I said to Mark, I'd rather not come back at all than lose those things. but I turns out I came back more or less normal I mean there's bits of me that aren't quite right when did people find out you're going through that operation I can still feel my vagina that's the main thing do you know what I mean as long as you can feel the grass in your ass when you're shagging when you're shagging in a field it's all good it's worth it I have to like it's a bit like a farmer's hand down there you could put you could put a nail gun through it get the foam head down there see me going through that operation all that Listen, I still make a real effort.

1:04:42Yeah, of course, man. You're a fighter. When I think it's the moment, I'm like, I pretend to squeeze it. Did you go for that operation? Did you keep that hush-hush? Didn't tell anyone. Because you could have died? Didn't tell my kids. That's a brave thing to do, though. Why not? And it set me off any day of the week. So I told my mum and dad and I, and obviously lovely Mark knew because he's taken me. And then I made a folder in my, which I still have, for my kids with all the things in letters and where all their little bank things were and their savings and things I thought they should know that mattered.

1:05:24none of which probably mattered actually and then I arranged with my mother because they were coming to take over the house because children that we would they would pull up and I would leave the house and mum and I would pass in the garden and we wouldn't speak to each other because this would happen and so that's what we did so mum came with dad came in the door we passed them got in the car and went to London for the surgery. So yeah, I just didn't tell anyone. That's brave, man, because is that your character though? What I've seen with this interview is that you don't want anybody to feel sorry for you.

1:06:04Why? It's not even feel sorry for you, but it's that you fight the fight alone. You're probably your whole life. It's hard to explain, but I already see you're a good person. I know you're a kind person. I can see you're a soft cunt as well. it but tell anybody I've interviewed enough people I know who's good and who's not everything's energy you've got a great energy and I know you're a good person you can tell with a sensitive side as well when you've got that shield on and I'm this and I'm that and I believe it because even when you never want to play the victim I get it nobody does because but why have you got that mentality where you don't want people maybe not see vulnerability but why have you always you're not even protecting yourself you're trying to protect the people around you but while doing that it's a lonely it's a lonely case it's a lonely journey why do you do it um but because i genuinely want everybody um to be all right i genuinely want genuinely want ordinary people to be super happy i i sound so naff and it sounds so like the woke people that i criticize i gen the reason i signed up for the army because I'm proud of being British.

1:07:21I'm proud of what this country stood for and stands for. And I'm proud of Uluru people fighting hard to try their best. I bloody am. And anything I can take on that I think helps push that forward, I'm happy with. And I would never, it may well be easier for me to have time at home speaking about what was going to happen and how scared I was and how I didn't really have the courage to have the surgery. and I was actually scared of not coming back. Well, no, I was scared of coming back, but without my leg or hand or sight. But it would be much worse for my children to be worried or upset. So it's always better for me to handle it alone.

1:08:03And the same with when I'm in danger or at risk on the road, South Africa, or at times different things I've done. It's better that I just handle that myself rather than cause worry to someone else. and I'm still all right with it. But you are right. There is a big well of the pressure of that or the upset of that that I definitely carry and is not that far away from me. But it's also a good reminder and a good motivator. And it's useful when horrible things happen, like you get given the cunt award and you're humiliated by 8 million people. Sometimes this is helpful because at very worst, I can remind myself that I know I'm not a bad person.

1:08:49So even if 8 million people are laughing at you, you can go into yourself and know that you're not a bad person. And that's actually kind of a powerful thing. Well, Ian Persaud, do you think a lot of the stuff that you said and done as well was not a deflection, but an act say to them, protect yourself that you weren't hurt and weren't broken? If people saw, and that's why actually over the last period of time it's been very good because on my youtube or insta or whatever people see a lot more of me and they get this me and when people see this me like on celebrity brother because it was all the time people go oh she's just this normal ordinary terrible woman who has terrible hair and a bad vagina and she's pretty funny and she's half a girl, bit manky, sweaty arms occasionally, and grown a beard.

1:09:40But she also means all that shit. And they go, oh, well, maybe I don't hate her. Maybe I kind of like the fact she stands for all that. So it's been like a full circle. You seem to have a lot more backing now. But even when you were in the big brother house, what? Six years ago? I don't even know. I was in with Callum Best. I like Callum. He's such a good lad. When you finish second as well, it shows you that people respected you and agreed with what a lot of the stuff you say what did you think how did you feel taking that because what i've realized over the years as well when people complimented you people gave you you don't really accept it either so was that strange for you to be one of the most hated in britain to then yeah it was becoming the most one of the most favorite yeah that bit was terrible so i went in as the most hated of all time and i only took a little bag because i was like i'll be out in a week and i didn't want to go in because i didn't want to go in the house for all that time like in a house with nothing to do like it's been like sit in Brentwood for six months so you have and then of course everybody has a price and they just kept on with the cash until I was like okay so when in there and actually and you will understand this a bit or a freelancer will understand this for me it was like okay well I've I've got the money I don't have to I don't have to write columns I don't have to create content sorry I don't have to you know I had no pressure of a boss or work or people needing me, I can just like chill the F-bomb out and be me and just hang out in my onesie and chill out with Callum, which is pretty much what I did, and Michel Visage and stuff and had a right laugh.

1:11:11So that was kind of epic. But then, despite every single housemate voting me out every single time, because I was an obvious choice and I probably pissed them off and they hoped that I'd be got rid of, every single time the damn British public would keep me in and it became ridiculous because I was voted out every single time inside the house but outside everyone kept me and that became emotionally overwhelming to have support like that do you feel vulnerable when you're like not now because I believe you accept it now and I believe you know now you're good you've always believed you're a good person I believe that anyway I believe that do you know what I mean but then did it was a vulnerability that you see that as people could see through me then I like so I like it in the moment so like when I'm doing stand-up now on stage right so there's a thousand people or whatever in the moment where everyone's laughing and having a great time and i know what's coming next and i and maybe i like the next bit because it's written well and you know i love words and i love writing and and everyone's having a block i love that's that's when i'm like that's me this is me i'm so happy with this this is me but the bit at the end when it finishes and everyone claps i don't like that that's really that's like okay that's fine now thank you that's lovely I appreciate that you're here so it's in the moment of the thing that I'm at my happiest so it's why I think I'm at my happiest in the fight because it's my home and I feel really good about it What about Piers Morgan what's your opinion on him?

1:12:38Just never been really that worth all of the attention that he gets kind of unimpressive Trying to play the game well though Brilliant brilliant strategic he has a brilliant brilliant strategic understanding of the media landscape and how best to play it for maximum personal gain and that's all he is What about Andrew Tate? I was one of the first to have Andrew on I know him personally it's just sad to see that what can be done with you talking about this I know what's brought him down I mean, why do you think all this stuff is happening to him? Do you think he'd become too influential? Yeah, I could list, I could list right now, the joining of dark forces that work together to bring him down.

1:13:34And by name and by organisation. And I could even list the signed documents they will have produced to achieve what they achieved, because I've seen them when they were used for me. and I absolutely respect the guy. I love that my son loves a lot of what he says and I love that my daughter who'd never listened to any of what he said thought he was a misogynist because that's so typical and I love that he stands for strength and I love that he stands for men being manly and I'm ashamed that he's been put away and I'm ashamed of people who run away from him or the people who've had him on their show, not you, had him on their show for the so this would be a Piers Morgan for their clicks, for the eyeballs because Piers wants some of what Tate's got but when shit happens to Tate they run away because they want to self-preserve that really grips me that's why I walk Tommy to prison that's why I'm still mates with Belfield and I've tried to be in prison to see him twice you don't walk away yeah that's how I've stayed my ground and I've supported the guy on all social media platforms because listen if he's fucking guilty he's guilty I'll be the first to apologise but right now I've got to stand my ground and I believe that he's not I believe every time I've seen him around people he's very well mannered very well respected and and you just sense that energy man like I'm very not that's when it's just when you see people struggle I've seen a video yesterday coming out of prison and they look drained man he looks dreadful he looks fucking shocking he looks shit those tracksuit bottoms are not helping anyone I'll always say to anyone whatever you're going to do no matter how low your life gets, do not be in a tracksuit bottom.

1:15:16The tracksuit bottom never helps a gentleman, not in any regard, no matter how fit you may or may not have been. So when he comes out and obviously he'll be calling me, I imagine what, first on the list, second, he'll be like, Kate, what do you think? And I'll be like, Tate, listen, the tracksuit bottom thing, stop that shit. But I really like the boy and I think he's been completely stitched up like a kipper. You know, I think he's done nothing wrong. I think absolutely he became too powerful. And so this same force of darkness the switch was flicked and boosh it descended scary though isn't it totally you see a lot of that in yourself when you see people getting fucking ripped apart like that i see it and i see i see the staging of the media so so you know how how much planning has gone into it because they have absolutely staged say in the initial removal from the house into the minivan, leave the door open, have the photographer here, position him in the middle of the vehicle so that you can get a good shot of him, position him here with the cameras ready so when he comes out he looks a bit bedraggled, staging for the world's media to see the crushing of Tate.

1:16:23That's scary man, it's so scary that people don't realise how dark and satanic the world is sometimes, even with Sam Smith stuff. I've seen his music video man and I've been very outspoken about it, be who you want to be but he's pretending to blast the ass off a man while getting peed on in a music video and kids can watch that the reason why I'm so is because I've got kids I understand how much I try and protect them I'm probably overprotective do you know what I mean because I know how fucking dark the world can be and especially the stuff I'm doing now like I'm so I wish I had the homeschool kids if I'm honest but we live and learn I know what do you think of the schooling what do you think of the education system well two things one Sam Smith he looks like an undercooked greg sausage roll with nipple tassels on anybody i don't care if you think you're trans or bi or queer or ever if you're morbidly obese go and put some clothes on mate put some kit on that because that is beastly like proper dirty disgusting looking guy who is chronically now ill that's ill okay that schooling uh i've really changed like i used to be like oh oh, girls, you must go to school.

1:17:36And I got a private tutor, which I paid for because my husband had left me and I had to make up the deficit. So I had to pay for a tutor. And I was like, you know, like some maniac. And now, like my 14-year-old, the teachers were on strike and the kids were supposed to like log in online. And Max was like, as if. And I was like, as if. Let's go and surf. So we went off. And I'm like, Bush, if you can have a day out of school, we're going to learn more than we're going to learn in school. And we've got the same issues. They're LGBT. tea but so but Max is really kind of uh solid he's he knows his own stuff he likes tape and he's got a job so I made it that all my only requirement of my kids was that they all got a job at 14 so he's got his job now down at the local garage so um I don't have a lot of time for school or the British school system I would much prefer kids got to leave school at 14 if they wish to and just go and hook up with trades people I know it's some of the travelers in fact one of the travelers are a billionaire, Alfie Bessler, he left school at 11.

1:18:34Come on. A billionaire. But, you know, if you're really into school, you love it, and you want to go and study, you know, community matters and LGBT and all that, bloody do it. Like, you go do that. But for the normal rest of the kids who want an adventure first, get out there, you know, and I'm really happy that my kids are out of that now. A little bit can you, Wes. I know a lot of the stuff that sounds crazy, man, but there's a lot of stuff that makes sense. What do you think What's your opinion on him I think he just A bit lost Yeah just got a bit lost Yeah I think so I think what he needed Was a really like Smart hot woman Like me In his life I'd look great in some yeezys And he needed a bit of like I think he needed a hobby Honestly I think he just got Pissing bored And so he just started doing All sorts of shit randomly And now he's lost everything Like he's more broke Than broke Yeah it's a shame isn't it He's got nothing left What a talent he was as well Right But do you see a lot of that the media breaking people down do you think again if that was somebody else went through even a fucking 10th of you and through the butour side though do you know what I mean push them over the edge and you can understand that do you see a lot of people in this environment just broken down and I see how close they go to the edge as well and all sorts of people over the year 15 years or so I've always made sure that when when the doesn't matter really what side they come from even of any argument, when I see that machine go for them, I'll always get in there and just say, look, you know, if you need to chat, if I could just say a couple of things and tell them a couple of things that help me.

1:20:11And that's been a variety of people. So most recently, I guess, Andrew Bridgen, I know he does a line as if he's fine, but that's not been so good for him. There's a time, the guy that runs the free speech union, Toby, you know, many, many people that don't speak of it have been pushed to the very edge the very I call it sort of the high wire you know between life and death where you're you're walking a fine line because you don't know if it's worth it anymore and you've been pushed there by surround sound darkness and you honestly believe the only way to stop the noise is to is to as I would explain it get underwater and that's why drowning I so understand drowning because it feels very silent and quiet and so I'll always get either to people's agents or get to them and just say because I think so many people see me as the last person on earth that would ever want to help someone but um you know it turns out the opposite's true and we'll know that the pressures that have been put on us or tate or whomever there are ways to try and get through and in in the initial phases it's just holding on and breathing like literally your only job is to try and get to tomorrow and 100 % is how I get some people through some of this.

1:21:28Because Tate talks about the Matrix, they cancel them first, they'll put them in prison settings and then they'll kill them. How dark is whether it's a Matrix or the men in black? Do people give you a warning? Look, either rein it in, sign their contract and give you a bit more money, but follow this agenda? It just keeps coming. It keeps coming, yes. Once they're out for you, they're out for you. Yeah, but if I describe it best as one of those, Like if you imagine a massive, I don't know, not a pressure cooker, but something big and robust. So first of all, so they eviscerate you from your job.

1:22:00So, you know, everything you were working for. And then, you know, so then it's social services on the call. But they always call on Friday evening at seven o 'clock to tell you that your kids have been reported. They're going to need to be interviewed. There's been reports of abuse. And then the call comes always in the evening from the police. or there's been a report of we need you to come in for informal questioning. And then in Australia, two in the morning, we might have to take you to immigration detention. And then they shut off your water. And they just keep hoping they'll tip you. And with litigation, you know, the legal letters, with the costs, and they just pile up till there's no air for you to breathe anymore.

1:22:51I can feel that old, I can feel that pressure and I know it's on tape. And the lovely thing that we can do is get in under it and just lift it up a little bit so someone can just breathe a little bit, you know, until they can breathe a bit more. It seemed you were going through that. Did you feel as if nobody cared? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Did anybody ever come forward for you and say, listen, I've got you? There's always, so this is sort of my, to my earlier point about your path is already set. there's always been one person like lovely mark has been he's a constant in my life like he's an unbelievable guy and and he's quiet and calm and patient and and it's called lovely mark by other people but there's always been someone that just presented themselves at that moment that just lifted up the concrete and it's been the weirdest thing and it's happened every single time and uh and it's why I guess I try and be that person a little bit for somebody else now when I see um them having it done to them and uh but it is absolutely crushing it is absolutely designed and coordinated to get you to swing yeah how did your relationship with Tommy Robinson start oh I was always an admirer I always had liked because you know we because we all have these different roles to play you have this role it's really important you keep this ground that you've got you know this is your I don't mean other people can't come on it I mean you don't let them take it from you you keep this turf you stay in front the gold and Tommy was operating in another field, you know, on the streets, the Luton lad, the I won't be crushed either.

1:24:40That, you know, and I so loved that. And he just was relentless in the fight to speak the truth and stand outside the court. And even when we knew he'd go down and do time inside, even though no one had ever done time inside for contempt before, that day when we walked in, this is where ordinary people just come into their own, walking him to prison, court but prison the wall of noise that day it still makes my makes all of the hair on all of my body stand on end or not that there's that much hair on my body just so you don't get the wrong image um but it was you know tommy tommy tommy robinson and it was like there was something really euphoric about ornery people going we're still with you um but yeah i i like tommy can Tommy sometimes criticises, I know, because he feels that he gets left to fall by some of his own side, me included.

1:25:38And I understand that as well. He would like me to have all of his content on my channel all the time. And I totally get that. What about religion? I see religion as to divide the world. I was raised a Catholic. I've got a big fucking Jesus crucifix tattooed on my back. Have you? Yeah. I'll show you later. That's quite hot. Yeah. I was going through that stage in my life. At that stage, it served me at that time. I thought, but now I just see religion as to divide the world. I know people follow religion. They're great people. Some people follow their bad people. Like anything in life. But what's your opinion on religion?

1:26:11I've probably chilled out about it a bit because I used to be like, it's the big problem. And actually, when we talk about the gathering of the matrix or the darkness, head soft, the absolutely, absolutely the darkness sits with the heads of the Catholic Church, the heads, the chief rabbi. Heads of religion are absolutely part of the controlling matrix, 100%. But at an ordinary person level, I quite love that people have belief in something. and I believe because of my belief which is your path is set that's sort of religious and for other people their belief gets them through and I think we need to believe in something more than just ourselves or our everyday or our work or our kids or our dog you know yeah so I believe in a higher power yeah you've got to believe in something I do I did I didn't a higher power I believe I've went through I used to have addiction so I went through NA, GA, gambling fucking lots and people turn to Christ and it changes their life and then they help people I've done homeless work there's people preach the Bible and stuff and it's saving people's lives so be it but there's so much bad in the Bible there's so much bad in the Quran so much goodness in it as well I've got Muslim friends I've got Christians they're amazing people as long as they're not harming anyone I'm so be it but for me there's a higher power I question maybe a dark I'm not even a dark question but it's a deep question like why do you think humans are here what's your opinion on it all because I question that like where the fuck am I here for yeah what's the purpose what's the point who made us how that brain the central nervous system the spine the liver the kidneys the heart so who's created that some genius to put all that together because I think are we in a game are we avatars are we aliens is this just some metaverse fucking because time goes that fast I just turned 39 last week I know your birthday's the 13th of February mine's the 2nd Aquarius you stop yeah so erm it's just a big why are we here thing do you have a question that yeah all the time and so i have this big relationship with the sunshine i kind of use that as an excuse to get to the sun wherever i can and to spend more time in hold on mexico so saying it your way so we don't have any confusion but i like when i see the sun in the morning when i'm out running right i'll stand and i will stare at the sun because I'm like put the sun in me and it will power me through the day like some rechargeable cell but I believe our purpose here is to like carry the torch right and so every day we're carrying the torch like not literally a torch but we're carrying this baton and our very best effort is to try and make other people's day kind of all right or a bit better and to carry this kind of faithfully as we can, like how we got past it so that we can pass it on.

1:29:10So that's like parenting or having kids, or if you don't have kids, you're still trying to like do your best effort so that when you pass it along or you pop off, you left it pretty much all right. That to me is what our job is. So it's not like got a massive meaning, but then when you look at the darkness that's coming, when you look at how oppressed we're about to be, when you look at how freedom is about to be crushed out of us, it does make more sense that you're going to take on this freedom torch and what we're going to pass it over with what 15 minute cities not being allowed to fly you have to be vaccinated digital currency piss off because that is not what we talk the torch on as so that's my reckoning with it but i like i like that people believe i do and i love that americans still say one nation under god and americans believe your freedoms are given to you by God and that might sound religious and kooky but what it means is no man can take them away and that is instilled in them and if only more of us understood that no man can take them away, no nipple height Rishi Sunak can say net zero is the ambition, no it's not piss off, do you know what I mean See when you're back in the day when you're controversial and bringing all the views how much do you look back and then feel used because I watched Andrew Tate there and how much because Piers Morgan needed Andrew Tate for his show I believe to bring viewers and that's how 100 % that's why I'm pissed because then he runs away if there's this and that's getting attention that's Piers if there's this and that's getting attention that's Piers he'll just move to he'll he's just an attention vulture but that's what you were as well because you were on Celebrity Juice you were on everything and anything do you look back and think the fuckers use me but you're still promoting your own brand as well no I was happy with it Anything I said I'd do, I was happy with.

1:31:01Anything I didn't want to do, celebrity big brother, I didn't do until the point they paid me so much that I felt morally obligated because my husband was looking at me like, yeah, they're going to pay you this much to sit on your ass in a house. So I feel absolutely not used by anybody in that regard. Yeah, that's a good thing. I was naive about some things, like going on The Apprentice. I thought I'd come out looking all right. But that's my naivety. I still chose to engage with all of this and I don't feel used by anybody See when you got cancelled then you get the operation come after being cancelled?

1:31:38No Before that So see when you're going through all that as well what are you then thinking about your life? Are you just thinking what next? Or did you have plans? Completely removed Yeah Well for a while well for a while I was doing the okay what I have to do today is breathe in and out not top you know not bend yourself because that's years and years of hard work as well putting yourself at the forefront taking all the abuse taking the death threats that well and also learning learning to write columns well learning to write columns people would read learning to write columns that my boss would approve of my boss was not working for Mail Online it's not you know most men don't last too long there because it's brutal if someone doesn't like what they've done they will pick up a phone and shout your friggin nuts off until you do what they want it's a brutal industry same with radio if you don't perform you're gone um so so I was I got myself good at that career to have it all taken yeah that um but it just over you know just I guess this refusal to stay down that thing that we have in us uh that enjoyment feeling most myself when I'm in the fight or on a stage or people are with me and they're having a good time or or feeling better that just is in me I can't stop it and so I set out and I spent three months on the road in America just bringing audiences together where I could work and eventually now Britain has sort of caught back up with me and I'm very lucky that I have a the opportunity possibly a stage again do you feel as if this is a fresh chapter I wouldn't say new improved me I'm very lucky to be super well really I'm I'm super I'm beyond lucky to have like the people that support me that do just that turn up at events and stuff it's awesome and I am uh I'm really really happy to be alive now like I think sometimes we have the worst of times coming but this was one of the best of times to be alive so I'm really chuffed and uh if my life did end as I leave here I mean ideally not falling down the stairs bastard.

1:33:49No, not at all. But if your life ended tomorrow and you're all right with it, I don't think that's depressing at all. I think it's awesome. You speak about death quite a lot though. Yeah, because I am definitely, maybe I had to reconcile with it a while back. So I'm so, it is really, British people need to reconcile with death earlier in life because it allows you to live your life completely free. Of course, as soon as you're born, you start to die. That should be the only motivation you need to get up in the morning. Well, that's more freaking depressing than anything I ever bloody well said.

1:34:20I love depressing bastard. I'll give motivational quotes and really I just feel like telling everything. No, not at all. It's just if we reconcile. So we wouldn't have had the need for vaccines and lockdown if people weren't terrified of the idea of death. This idea that you could run and hide from death is what allowed the government to control people. If you lose that fear, you're uncontrollable. And that's perfect. How did you get into comedy? The stand-up side of things? Because I clearly You're a funny bastard anyway I used to watch your videos and things It's because It was your deliverance It's saying something Because you used to push people's buttons You actually remind me and my mum Like she used to push the buttons That says so calm And now you can feel the rage And people The youth feel as if Okay I've won The youth feel I've won They've gone As soon as you give that energy You're gone You've won whatever it is You're talking about Because you've done it so calm And collective People just do because I watched a few of your interviews on the chain coming down and I thought it's a fucking bastard but you just because you'll say things so not even annoying but just so shat and it's done really calmly and really dry but also as if as if I'm your friend and yet I just told you you're a fat munter and you're absolutely shit at what you do and then you just slight pause with middle distance and then you've you've fucked him so yeah I know I can I always thought I was funny my husband's like you're not fucking funny and then I've been learning how to try and deliver more funny and it's working out alright and because life's so bloody ridiculous it's pretty easy to be funny right?

1:35:54You've got dickheads running around with masks on their own in a car, it's pretty easy to be funny. So you see a change now, you're becoming not a different character but you've seen more love coming to you. That's what it's all about, it's cheesy. It's good to feel important, it's good to feel love that is man, we can hate and we can say shit to cause a bit of controversy but the bottom line is when we go home at night we just want our kids to be happier man wife and just to love us yeah yeah and my life is full of that everywhere I go people will chat to me because they either think they know me or do know me or know my face or think I work at the hospital so they chat and everywhere I go I have a bit of a laugh with people and I'm getting to do this amazing thing of being on the road doing stand-up with brilliant audiences that I love stay behind till the last man standing afterwards I hug every single person that comes that wants to i didn't force myself that's an extra 10 quid you get a blowjob

1:36:50and that's just me no and um yeah i i have definitely lived this life and i've definitely been through it but i'm definitely uh on the easy bit now i'm on a really good thing where can people get your tickets katie were working on a website yeah mark built it so it's katie's arms because because I have arm muscles. People have made a thing about my arms. So it's like a pub, Katie's Arms, Katie, K-A-T-I-E-S, Arms, A-R-M-S, katiesarms.com. And where's the tour, UK tour? Well, there were 30 venues. We're down to like eight because of weirdos trying to cancel everything. And we're sold out in Bristol and Bournemouth and Stamford.

1:37:35But there's still tickets in Stamford, Perfleet. We're coming to Scotland in October, Blackburn. There's a few tickets left. So please do go. And I say this not for myself. And I say this not because I want to sell tickets. I say it because I want people in the room. Because if you look around the room, 13th of May in Blackpool, a thousand people with you who just want the very best for you and want you to be okay and to think whatever you want. And they'll buy you a drink probably half time. That's all I'm about right now. And you've still got your YouTube. You've still got your Instagram. YouTube's still there.

1:38:10Instagram's still there and what's happening with Twitter because everybody's back on that yeah I can't be I'm banned at a different level are you? yeah so it's Metropolitan Police and Europol so they do some sort of terrorist level bans I'm that what's your biggest regret Katie? and I'm on TikTok but I'm not on TikTok it's just some sweet sweet person who takes all my content and puts it over there which I love TikTok's massive well good thank you to the person who's doing that for me I'm grateful. My biggest regret, shit me. Shit. I don't know because everybody has something. I suppose. Oh, it's so hard to say.

1:38:57I don't regret really freaking anything. I certainly don't regret anything I've said. I think I could have been a bit nicer to lovely Mark sometimes. no i honestly i don't know i don't know when are you happiest um oh with out running with my dogs at six in the morning when it's just getting light and then the sun comes up or sat in the blazing sunshine or drinking wine yeah i just i'm just you know in my little in my little scruffs running around my garden with the dogs perfect little quiet sitting on my own in the sunshine eating steak and chips when I'm tired. Perfect. Love that. I would choose steak and chips in the sun on my own with wine over sex.

1:39:40I totally would. Unless it's on a field. Yeah. Less than a hush. Yeah. For anybody, I know you've battled with mental health. I know you struggle a wee bit of depression, especially everything you've went through. For anybody that's watching struggling, Katie, what advice would you have for them? There's times where you don't even have to acknowledge that you're really, really, really on the edge of things. You can just accept that all your only job, your only job is to breathe in and out, like get everything and write it all down or, or, or draw a picture of it and push it away from you. Your only job is to breathe in and out and then hold on to just anything because it will pass.

1:40:23And it might not be tomorrow that you feel better or the day after but it will pass this too shall pass just hold on and imagine people like me around the back of you with a rope and all you have to do is hold on that's the immediate action that you have to take uh and it's really important because it saved me more times than i know good things will come yeah proud of you first of all everything you've came through and still fighting that takes massive courage proud of you new career doing the stand-up like again massive courage to anybody I know that does comedy is fucked in the head I tried it as well back to the day but I'm a funny bastard but every comedian I know they're fucking nuts they're nuts I was trying to change my life at that day and I thought this is going to make me worse but Kate listen absolutely love your story amazing what you're doing, fucking proud of you for keep going would you like to finish up on anything?

1:41:17Oh bless you, well not to be maternal in any way because I don't want to give my age But I think what you're doing really, really matters. I think defending your turf and keeping your platform really, really matters. And I think your supporters, my request to them politely would be if they could just let one person know what you're trying to do. because it is very noisy out there. There's lots of voices all the time, but the more we consolidate between certain sorts of people, the better. So if everyone can just let one person know to follow you, that would be really brilliant. And always know that if the shit ever does hit the fan and you do have to do the lonely walk to prison or whatever, I will be right there at your side.

1:42:05So keep doing what you do because it does really matter. Appreciate that, Katie. Listen, all the best for future. look forward to watching the rest of your journey thank you