Jeffrey Epstein Flight Logs & Celebrity Friends Revealed - Journalist Nick Bryant Tells All

30:59The UK parliament certainly has a tremendous amount of blackmail in it. That's business as usual, the blackmailing of politicians, powerful people. Is this why you're seeing a lot of celebrities like Kamala Harris kind of thing and all these like Beyonce and all these big celebrities now J-Lo doing interviews? J-Lo's on a mic saying, support this woman and talking about this, saying someone's a bad person. But why did you never speak about P. Diddy then when he was doing all his bad shit? Well, it's, I mean, it's been surmised that there are markers called in from the people that were compromised by P.

31:42Diddy. And that's why you've got these Hollywood people that are basically voicing their fealty towards Kamala Harris. Is that what that is? Because that's what it looks like. I mean, that's what people are thinking. I mean, I haven't gotten any definitive proof of it, but, you know, and I wouldn't say that's exactly what's happening, but it looks like it. See these cults that you talk about? How bad are these cults? Some of them can be pretty, pretty bad. Are they all connected or is it all different ones? I don't know. Because I watched one on Netflix. It was, I can't remember what it was called.

32:20It was like the Amisha. This guy was getting all the kids pregnant. They believed that he was God. But it was so fucked up. Are you talking about the Mormons? Yeah. It was weird. And these people are programmed from a young age to believe that they're Christ and he's God and people believe in everything he says while getting 50 or 60 young kids pregnant. Yeah, I mean, there's a significant part of the population. that are pedophiles. Some people think it's up to 5%. There's different numbers. But that's been a part of the Mormon tradition for a very long time,

33:07that guys have multiple wives, and some of their wives are underage. I mean, the Mormons have been doing that for a very long time. When did Epstein come onto your radar as well? Because you exposed him way before anybody else. How so? Okay, so I had the Franklin scandal was published 2009, 2010. And I spent seven years on it. And it was a lot of work. I had so much stuff I had to corroborate. And it was a tremendous amount of work. And, you know, you're going into victims' lives and saying, tell me about your worst nightmares. And then you're dealing with threats and things like that. it and I was a little exhausted after that and then I put all this money into it and we couldn't sell copies I got it published by I could only get it published by a small publisher and then we didn't sell that many copies so I went through some real hardcore difficulties financially but then Epstein popped up on my radar about 2011 and at that point he was a lone pedophile But there had been a grand jury that didn't charge him with a single count of child abuse.

34:22And that happened in the Franklin scandal. There were two grand juries that didn't charge anybody in this network with child abuse and actually indicted the victims that wouldn't recant their accounts of abuse on perjury. So that was something that when I saw that there was a grand jury involved in this that was probably corrupt, I went down there. I didn't really want to dig into this, but it was one of those things where I felt like I had to. And then I got Epstein's Black Book. And then I started calling victims. And they started telling me about being on flights. And then I realized he's running a network.

35:01So I came back to New York with the Black Book. And now I had estranged a number of editors and publishers with the Franklin stuff. I mean, they just weren't ready to believe that there was too much cognitive dissonance. They can, I'd sit down like you and I are sitting down. And I, you know, I'd show them like this list of 60 victims I had and all kinds of other stuff. And I said, really, I need you guys to help me finish this article. and I could see their eyes and then I could see the little machinery going on in their heads and what was going on in their heads was cognitive dissonance. They were saying to themselves, this is a really horrible story.

35:48All these children were abused with impunity. I need to help Nick Bryant or I can just write Nick Bryant off as crazy and then I can have a nice dinner with my family tonight. So that's kind of where they're just publishers and just didn't want to deal with it. And what was in Epstein's Black Book? The names of a bunch of his clients and a bunch of his victims. And what was it like when you were contacting the victims? Did you know there were victims before you contacted them? Pretty much, yeah. And all I needed to do was talk to one of them and I realized that, you know, what was going on. How old were these victims?

36:27The youngest one I talked to was 13 years old at the time. But they were younger than 13. I mean, that's—the mainstream media and the government have sold this bullshit that the youngest one was 14. But I believe that there were kids younger than 10 or 11 with Epstein. And when did Epstein first get charged? He was convicted? Well, in 2006, the Palm Beach Police Department investigated him. They had the statements of five victims, and then they had corroborating statements, and they were just going to bust Epstein on five counts of child abuse. But that case got taken away from them and was given to a grand jury.

37:14There's only two countries in the world that have grand juries, the United States and that bastion of justice, Liberia. And grand juries are notorious because it's not adversarial. A special prosecutor is chosen, and he's the one that—and then grand jurors are just people that are summoned to jury duty and have just shown up for jury duty, but they've been funneled into a grand jury. And the special prosecutor calls the witnesses that he thinks are important, and he shows the grand jurors evidence that he thinks are important. So there's a famous quote by a New York Supreme Court judge that says special prosecutors of grand juries have so much power over grand juries that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich.

38:03So with Epstein not getting indicted on a single kind of child abuse, that was definitely a ham sandwich. How many of those back then? Well, OK, they had five on record, but they knew of 17. So there were 23. that grand jury called two and that grand jury prosecutor just skewered the kids skewered them and then the grand jury didn't return any indictment I mean that grand jury was set up not to return any indictments against Jeffrey Epstein for child abuse because you know yourself the average person for child trafficking or child abuse is probably 10 years, 15 years 20 years but these people are in power because what did he get?

38:46Did he not get like two years or 18 months, but he could do it working from home? Well, he got 18 months and he had to be at a county jail during the day that he dressed up like the Taj Mahal. And he was molesting kids while he was ostensibly incarcerated. And he was ostensibly incarcerated for 13 months. And how did his relationship with Prince Andrew start? Do you know? I don't know. Probably through Ghislaine Maxwell, for sure. Because Ghislaine Maxwell had known the royal family. I had one of the guards who worked at Buckingham Palace. She said Ghislaine used to walk into Buckingham Palace all the time.

39:24She was best friends with Prince Andrew, but he also said Ghislaine Maxwell was in love with Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, I don't deny that. And that was about as close as she was going to get to Jeffrey Epstein was providing, you know, She oversaw the machinery that got all these kids. How it worked is they would get a kid, and then they would tell the kid, we'll give you$200 if you can bring back a friend. And then they would bring back a friend, they'd get$200, and eventually they'd just cut him off. But Ghislaine Maxwell oversaw that machine. Because Ghislaine Maxwell's family's powerful in itself as well.

40:06Well, her dad was a huge publisher, but he ripped off the retirement accounts of all the people that were in his publishing empire. And now I've been told, I mean, he was involved with a number of different intelligence agencies, certainly the Israeli intelligence agency, probably CIA, and somehow hooked up with the KGB too. But I've been told that he plundered the retirement accounts of all these people. And then he went to the Israelis and asked them, you know, tried to blackmail them to pay for these accounts. And they wouldn't. So he had a very strange death. What about Epstein Island? When did that come about?

40:55I don't know. I think he bought it at some point in the mid-90s. As far back as that, yeah? Yeah. and on this list now we talk about this list list question yeah we talk about because we're always talking about these flight logs and people getting photos with him you can't judge everybody who has a photo with Epstein do you know what I'm saying if he's at these parties and people want photos of celebrities you can't say everybody's a paedophile because of that but how dark was his flight logs because people say it's been published it's not been published it's not the right name I released a bunch of the flight logs in 2015.

41:32I released the black book and a bunch of the flight logs in 2015. I was the first guy that had them. What names are on these flight logs? I mean, they go anywhere from like Bill Clinton to, I mean, it goes all the way up the food chain. Celebrities? A lot of celebrities like Kevin Spacey, who we've since discovered is a twisted, sick individual. And And like Alan Dershowitz is also there's just a bunch of people. And you can tell when you look at the Black Book, how the Black Book came to me was Alfredo Rodriguez was the house manager of Jeffrey Epstein. And he stole a copy of the Black Book. book.

42:23And there were some attorneys that were suing Abstein in civil lawsuits for sexual assault of their kids. I mean, the government wasn't doing it, but these attorneys were. And Alfredo Rodriguez called one of them and said, I can sell you the black book. He called it the Holy Grail. And the lawyer called the FBI and the FBI did a sting and then got the Black Book, but Rodriguez had circled a number of names in the Black Book. And he said that those were the ones he felt were in cahoots with the panering of Jeffrey Epstein. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast.

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44:03But there's a number of them that have been named that aren't circled in a black boat but you can tell if jeffrey epstein has like eight or nine or ten or eleven contact numbers for you chances are you were one of his clients yeah so the more numbers are you talking paedophile rings are you talking trafficking kids to these high profile names yes yeah is that how dark it goes yeah absolutely what about tom hanks i always see his name his name has not come up i You know, all the, like, Hanks and Oprah Winfrey, and I mean. Elaine Degenerate. Yeah, I mean, I've been. Yeah, sorry for interrupting, but this is what we need to be careful of, because names are just getting thrown around now, and this is where the conspiracy theories.

44:53I'm very careful. Yeah, because on the internet now, though, names are getting thrown about left, right, and center, and people are buying into it. So this is where it's good to have these conversations, to not eliminate these people, but to get an understanding what's real and what's fake. I was investigating Jeffrey Epstein before anybody in the world knew who he was, or very few people in the world knew he was. So I've got a very good bead on him. And Tom Hanks and Oprah. Now, if Tom Hanks and Oprah, I approach this agnostically. I don't believe that they were, and I don't believe that they are, and I'm open to it.

45:40I don't believe they did that. I don't disbelieve that they did that. I'm open to it. But I have not been able to find, in my investigation, solid proof of Tom Hanks. Now, Bill Gates, yes. The cover story on Bill Gates was that he met Epstein in 2011. The Evening Standard published an article on Jeffrey Epstein in 2001, and it said that Bill Gates and Epstein were doing business in the 90s. So I think that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship went back much further than is conceded. So I believe that Bill Gates is probably definitely one of them. What about Woody Allen? Woody Allen, I mean, there's pictures of him and Epstein.

46:32and Woody Allen doesn't really seem to have much of a moral barometer. But there has not been victims that have come forward and said, I was molested by Woody Allen. What about Chris Tucker, the comedian? Because I said his name was on the flight logs. Is that correct? Chris Tucker, yeah, he was on the flight logs. There's a high probability of him, yeah, and Casey. Tucker, Spacey, and Clinton went on the same trip to South Africa. And they got a couple of girls from South Africa. And how it worked is Epstein had this immaculate presentation. I'm friends of Bill Clinton. I'm friends of Kevin Spacey.

47:26Do you want to be a model in New York? And then, you know, the girls would say, sure. And then Epstein would fly them to New York, and he had an apartment building on 66th Street, East 66th Street, not too far from here. And they would start to pack, and then Sarah Kellan, one of Epstein's henchwomen, would call them and say, don't worry about packing. I mean, they haven't even spent a night in the hotel yet, or the apartment. We're going to go to the island." So these girls would get on the plane and go to, they'd all pack, and they'd be going to the island, and then Jeffrey Epstein would have someone perform oral sex on them in front of everybody.

48:13So at that point, these girls knew exactly what was going to be required of them on this island. Was that the kind of playbook, the kind of stuff that you've done? That was the playbook, yeah. What other names were on the list? Can you remember? I mean, there's names on the list, and then there's names that have come up in litigation. And the names that have come up in litigation are on the list together. Bill Richardson, who was a former, he was in the Clinton cabinet and he was also governor of New Mexico. Bruce King, governor of New Mexico. Alan Dershowitz, super lawyer. And Jean-Luc Burnell, definitely.

49:08Wexner. I mean, these guys, their names are in the black book and circled, and they were named by a victim. But then there's a number of perps that weren't named by a victim. Like Liam Black gave Epstein$150 million. He was a huge hedge fund, Apollo hedge fund manager. Now, why would a guy, and here again is the cover story. The cover story is that Jeffrey Epstein was helping him save taxes, and he gave Leon Black$150 million. I mean, if you want to believe that, I've got another bridge I can sell you. Not the Brooklyn Bridge, but it's a pretty good bridge nonetheless. It's the George Washington Bridge.

49:58It's longer than the Brooklyn Bridge. What about Prince Andrew? Prince Andrew, definitely. He comes up in the black book, and he's named by a victim also. See, I have no issues with people, anyone having parties, having orgies, drinking, taking drugs, doing what the fuck we like. Nobody cares. It's the children. It's the innocent children. Was there any rumors? Because I've had people exposing Prince Andrew, but they never says, they've always said there was never any children around him. He just liked to party. He liked women. There was never any children. Is that correct? Would you agree with that?

50:36Or is there a possibility? No, I disagree with that. Do you? Yeah, absolutely. Do you believe there was children involved with Prince Andrew? Yeah. Really? I mean, he's got a picture of Virginia Gouffre, or Roberts, standing right next to him. And with Ghislaine Maxwell, she's 17 at the time. So, I mean, and then Prince Andrew said that the picture was doctored. It wasn't. Prince Andrew said he didn't sweat, which, you know, because she had said that he was sweating that night and he said he didn't sweat. I mean, Prince Andrew's own words made him guilty. Yeah, but I believe that was in the UK as well.

51:14The legal limit is 16. I believe they went to a nightclub in the UK, Prince Andrew and that girl. But then, like you said, people do say the photo has been doctored. But the only thing it gets me, they paid 12 million. Yeah, well, I mean, if I was innocent and someone accused me of something like that, a crime of child abuse, I would fight it till I died. I mean, I would fight it till the very end. I mean, I wouldn't give anybody$12 million. I mean, I would just spend the$12 million on my legal defense. because I don't understand someone from the royal family to then be walking around Central Park with a convicted paedophile that's what I've never really got my head around surely his interview which we'll touch on as well I don't know if he thinks everybody's so thick that they don't see through the bullshit but I don't understand why he ever done that interview because it just made him look guilty but the walk through the park is this what you talk about people being in compromised positions where he's had something over a royal family member Yeah, I mean, why are they walking through the park after Jeffrey?

52:26You know, like with Woody Allen, I'm not saying Woody, children were being pandered to Woody Allen by Jeffrey Epstein. It's entirely possible. But all these guys were hanging out with him after he'd been busted as a convicted child offender. I mean, he did time in 2008. I mean, it was bullshit time. It was in a county jail. I mean, he should have been given multiple life sentences. But they were all hanging out with him after that. A convicted child offender. I mean, what's up with that? You know what I mean? Yeah, that should give, that's what I'm saying. With these flight logs and Chris Tucker and Kevin Spacey, it just doesn't look right.

53:11Why would you be kicking about with a child, a sex case? Do you know what I'm saying? It just doesn't seem, there's no excuse for it. There's no excuse, no matter what work you were doing, What were they doing in Africa when they went Kevin Spacey and Tucker? Clinton was ostensibly there to raise money for AIDS research or HIV research. What about Ashton Kutcher? I don't know. I don't really have a very high opinion of him, but I don't know. because now I spoke about this in the last podcast he was going on a first date with someone he showed up late and then when he looked through the girl's window she was stabbed 47 times but they got someone and convicted them for murder for that but that was strange he's also this episode is brought to you by ChatGPT hey it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast have you guys heard about ChatGPT work it's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects and when you need more than just answers.

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55:37Brittany Murphy. Yeah. Brittany Murphy who died the same death as Kim Porter and apparently well I had Diddy's bodyguard on Gene he was saying Ashton Kutcher was having an affair with Brittany behind Demi Moore's back and also Ashton Kutcher and his wife signed wrote a letter to the judge about the the rapist who was in his show and he was also the ambassador for form which is a child protection, trying to save kids from child trafficking. And we know now a lot of these people who run these organizations are predators themselves. I don't have a very high opinion of Ashton Kusher. I tried to make a documentary.

56:22I'm making one now, but of the Franklin scandal. And I was with a very good documentary maker. He's actually been nominated for two Academy Awards, and his organization turned us down. Okay, it was a story that was ahead of its time, the Franklin scandal. But then when Epstein got busted, I put together a protest, but then I also put together a petition. And two of Epstein's victims talked to Kushner's representative. And he wouldn't even put the name of his organization on our petition. I mean, he wouldn't even put the name of his organization on our petition. So whenever I hear about him saving children and stuff, I just think he's a charlatan.

57:15Yeah, there's a possibility of that. And he's a liar. So as you can tell, I don't have the highest opinion of Ashton. Yeah, but it's that brand. The guy's just been done with trafficking himself. something Jeffries' name is. Yeah, he was actually hired by Abercrombie Fitch, Mike Jeffries, and he was hired by Leslie Wexner. And then they spun off Abercrombie and Finch, but he worked very closely with Leslie Wexner, who had given Epstein power of attorney over his estate. See, this is where I question, are these people, when we spoke at the start, bad from the start, from birth, to do what they do, or do these people become in this industry from models and acting and go to these parties and see that seedy stuff and it just gets crazier and crazier then crazier it leads them to doing this fucking paedophilia and abusing kids and trafficking kids because it just seems it's been going on for thousands of years thankfully now social media has now heightened it but also by heightening it I don't know if it's then gave people more thought process to then go and do it do these people then get so caught up in this weird world they start normalizing this behavior?

58:34Have you seen those sort of patterns when you're exposing them? Well, I mean, that world has existed forever. People have been molesting children since we crawled out of caves. I mean, it's not only rich people that molest you. I mean, there are guys in trailer parks that are trafficking children, as you and I speak right now. The difference between a guy in a trailer park and a guy that's worth a billion dollars is, the guy in the trailer park is going to go down. He's going to get arrested. The guy with a billion dollars isn't. That's the big difference. But child abuse exists in all social strata.

59:14I mean, it just isn't the rich. So see when Epstein was taking people to the island and bringing all these celebrities and politicians, was there any other places he was taking them? Well, I mean, he had a place in the UK. He had a place in Paris. He had a place in New Mexico. Avril. Now, I interviewed an Epstein victim. She told me that she went into kind of a stupor. She was in New Mexico and she went into kind of stupid and she came out and she was in like a laboratory. And there was a doctor harvesting her ovums.

59:58And that doesn't surprise me. We started cloning mammals and Dolly the sheep got cloned in 1996. In Scotland, I think. and it's very easy to clone somebody. What you got to do is you take an egg and you take the DNA out and then you deposit the DNA that you want and then you give it an electric shock and then it starts to divide. And I knew as soon as Dolly the sheep got cloned, I thought to myself, there's got to be megalomaniac millionaires that are cloning themselves. I mean, there are people cloning their French footballs for$60 ,000. it's estimated that you can clone someone for 1.5 million dollars if you got a billion dollars and you're a megalomaniac of course you're going to clone yourself there's probably little Jeffrey Epstein running around do you believe so?

1:00:52yeah because you see Eminem and Jeffrey Epstein some people say P Diddy because their faces are a little different do you believe these celebrities can clone themselves to then go and do the prison time while they live life of free basically No, I mean, you're still going to be a baby. I mean, when you clone someone, they're going to be an infant. So it's got to start as an infant. You can't clone someone the age you're at now. No, no. They're going to be an infant. Because you do see all that technology. Listen, that's going to write down the conspiracy route, but people have tried to see it.

1:01:25No, not possible. I was a science reporter. And actually, I used to write for Genetic Engineering News for a while. And you started with a single cell. with an album, and then it takes all these years to just regular development. So you don't believe that somebody maybe in their 30s could then clone themselves? You can't expedite the aging process like that. So you can't speed that up? Not feasible. Because you do see it, and you do watch videos, and you think, nah, surely not. But then again, I'm open to everything nowadays. I mean, I believe, I mean, this Epstein victim, who I believe, said that her albums were being harvested.

1:02:06She's always said that. And I know how easy it is to clone someone. But there's no way that you start with an egg, and then two weeks later, the dude's 35. I mean, it's just not possible. So I was thinking maybe - You cannot expedite. Yeah. You try to clone you now, take your DNA, do what they've got to do, but then you're coming basically the person you are now. There's no technology or no sort of science can do that. You've got to start from - You got to start from the mitosis process when the cell splits. Yeah, because people say that. People have been cloned. But then you look at the masks, and people think Biden's kind of got a mask on, and it's someone else under it.

1:02:48Do you believe that could be a possibility? Oh, God, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just going off topic. I don't. You know, I studied philosophy in college, and philosophy taught me to approach everything agnostically, not to believe, not to disbelieve. But then I've been in this world a long time. I've been researching this stuff 22 years. But with Biden wearing a mask, I don't know. Who knows? What about Bill Clinton? I mean, he should probably invest in some brain cells. I mean, that would be a good thing for him. But it just all seems like acting to me anyway, like the Simpsons predicting things.

1:03:28It's all weird. But how about Bill Clinton? He seems to have put himself in a lot of compromising positions the same as Monica Lewinsky, and then you've got the photo of him in the red dress in Epstein's house. Why was Epstein and Bill Clinton so friendly? Because Epstein was providing Clinton with girls. I mean, he was bringing girls into the White House, women into the White House. But Clinton was, going back to being governor in Arkansas, he was dirty. I mean, Clinton has always, he's been a rapist forever. that's just that's just the way it is Bill Clinton what about the deleted emails from his wife how true is that the emails from his wife yeah the deleted emails she had hundreds of thousands of emails deleted well she had thousands yeah is that true I don't know well we saw a bunch of her emails with the WikiLeaks stuff but yeah I don't know see obviously when you start investigating you realise how much power these men have.

1:04:31Did you ever think that Epstein would go to prison? No, I, um, but here's the thing. It happened with Craig Spence and the Franklin scandal, it happened with Epstein, and it happened with P. Diddy. These guys are blackmailers. And if you're going to be a successful blackmailer, no one should know that you're a blackmailer. But the media had got on to Craig Spence, the media had got on to Jeffrey Epstein, and because of those eight sexual assault lawsuits, two of whom were minors, the media had glommed on to P. Diddy. So these guys are not going to be able to blackmail people, because people are going to be hip to what they're about.

1:05:18So they've outran their usefulness. Is that what you think then? So if someone who's blackmailing people got all this information, got a place of power, but then when it starts, the tables turning where they've been involved in pedophilia, do you think these people who they've blackmailed then push it to discredit them and get their name out there as being dirt so no one would believe them? Well, I mean, Ghislaine Maxwell, it was a simple deal. And Lawrence King in the Franklin scandal. I mean, Craig Spence had committed suicide. Jeffrey Epstein ostensibly committed suicide. King and Ghislaine Maxwell were, I'm sure someone sat them down and said, you know, we really appreciate the work you've done for us.

1:05:59You help us compromise people. And you're going to have to go to prison for a while because someone has to take the fall for this. And Dede has probably been given the same talking to too. But you're going to have to do some time and no one else is going to get busted and keep your mouth shut and we'll let you keep your money. Ghislaine Maxwell, good 20 years, She seemed to have kept her mouth shut. Why? Because what's the alternative? The alternative is non-existence. Dead. Dead, yes. So that's why she kept her mouth shut. She saw what happened to Epstein. I mean, she's going to keep her mouth shut.

1:06:38What do you think happened to Epstein? I don't know. You know, there were a lot of weird anomalies in that prison that night. But I try not to focus on whether or not Epstein killed himself. There was a media company that called me up and they wanted to do something on whether or not Epstein killed himself. And I said, you know, I don't think that that's I think that that's a red herring. What's important with the Epstein case is that these little girls were molested for 25 years, 25 years of all kinds of perverts and malignant individuals, and none of them have paid a price. The government covered it up.

1:07:26That's what's important about the Epstein case. Why is the government covering up child trafficking? When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting that crime. So the United States government is aiding and abetting child trafficking. And it's letting all these guys, all these perpetrators who molested all those little girls, walk scot-free. Now, that is the issue. To me, it's not whether Epstein killed himself or not. That's the red herring that people go to instead of wanting justice on behalf of all the victims. Why the cover-up from the government? Because the government is part of it.

1:08:06I mean, Alexander Acosta, who was the assistant or who was the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida, most powerful guy, law enforcement guy in Southern California or Southern Florida. He was told not to go after Epstein because Epstein was intelligence. Now, when you're talking to U.S. attorney, you're talking a lot of power. The attorney general and the president can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down. So that's the kind of power that was used to get Alexandra Acosta, the US attorney, to stand down. And Glenn Maxwell, do you believe 20 years was enough for her? No, she should be in prison for the rest of her life.

1:08:48Now she's in a dormitory. She's in the cushiest part of the prison now. It's obscene. She could possibly outbound in the next five years there because they're trying to find loopholes now, how to get her out. Yeah, I mean, she'll probably do about 10 or 12 years. But it would be interesting if she ever gives any names. I don't think so now that she's... No, she knows what would happen if she talks. I mean, she saw what happened to Epstein. She saw what happened to her father. I mean, she knows what happens if she talks. Is there a connection to Diddy and Epstein? Because it seems to be the same sort of compromising positions, kind of place of power, blackmail.

1:09:24Is there a connection between those two? Well, the connection is the guy covering it up. As I said earlier, Damian Williams, Because the U.S. attorney for the Southern District in New York covered up for Epstein with the Glenn Maxwell trial by only calling four witnesses. And then he's the one that oversaw the P. Diddy grand jury and his prosecution. And if you notice, no one else was indicted with Maxwell and no one else was indicted with Diddy. And they're both indicted on conspiracies. So, you know, let's indict some of the other conspirators, but they're going to keep their mouth shut. Damien Williams is a dirty guy.

1:10:10Paul and Daisy Soros have a foundation that gives up to$90 ,000 to help people go through college or graduate school. and Damian Williams was given$90 ,000 by the Paul and Daisy Soros Foundation. And Peter Soros is on the board and his name is circled in Epstein's black book. So is this ominous or is it just a coincidence? I just don't know. The thing with Diddy, is he just as bad as Epstein, do you think? Absolutely. Do you think so? I mean, if you're molesting kids, which he was. I'm talking about the trafficking and the kind of. Yeah, no doubt about it. Because they talk about these secret tunnels now under his house and going to the Playboy Mansion.

1:11:04Is there any truth in that? I don't know. I don't know. When did you start hearing about Diddy? I know you said it's February, March, but you said you heard about him. I started hearing about Diddy earlier this year. So just this year? Yeah. Because I've had his bodyguard on. He believes he was involved with the Biggie killing, the Tupac killing, many other killings. There's always death round about these people, especially at the college game. There was nine people died and lost their life that he'd organized. There is always darkness around these men. Well, it's interesting. The guy that was head of Michael Jackson's security, Fahim Mohammed, became head of Diddy's security.

1:11:45Now, there's a guy that knows a lot of secrets. A lot of secrets. Has he exposed any? No. I mean, he's dirty. I mean, he's a cover-up guy. I'm not clued up at all, but I've got a rough understanding of it. I've interviewed enough people to kind of get the gist of what's going on. All we can do is try and talk about it enough where people just - Well, actually, I started an organization called Epstein Justice. Okay, what's that? I started an organization called Epstein Justice. It's a 501c3 nonprofit. And we want a commission. We want a truth and reconciliation commission. We want to know why the government covered up child trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.

1:12:30That's what Epstein Justice is about. See that there, though? The whole world would crash if people actually knew the truth, who was involved, why the cover-up, how much money's involved. Like, let's go straight from the bottom to the top. But look at America right now. Look at our election. I mean, this is what happens when a political system gets heavily compromised. Look at Boris Johnson. I mean, and how the UK political system has descended. It's what happens when governments become heavily compromised. You end up with the kind of government that we have or the kind of government that's...

1:13:16I think UK government is probably better than the American government. I don't know, Nick. I think they're all fucking the same, man. I think they're all corrupt to the core. I never really believed in a government anyway, but when they locked everybody up and put fear into everyone and then they were having Christmas parties all drinking and laughing and people weren't seeing loved ones, I thought, nah, fuck you, man. That ain't normal. You can't tell people one thing and then do another. It's corrupt to the core. I understand people are trying to make money and trying to survive. But it's the lies, it's the deceit, it's the media portraying certain tales that aren't true.

1:13:51And I think people are tired of it. I think people are just tired of the same bullshit that they promote. And it just never gets anyone anywhere. Well, I mean, you've got very corrupt politicians, a very corrupt political system. But then you've got a media that's very corrupt too. Yeah. The media, I mean, if no one in the media has called for any kind of justice for Epstein's victims. If the New York Times, the Washington Post, Newsweek magazine, Time magazine, Banny Fair magazine, if they all said, we want justice for Epstein's victims, we want to know why the government covered up child trafficking, we want these, then it would happen.

1:14:34There would be thousands of people hitting the streets, tens of thousands of people hitting the streets. But the media is very corrupt, too. Yeah, that's how people, when we talk about people being brainwashed, they are because the media is a powerful tool. The media is very powerful. Actually, most of the people are skeptical of the media, don't trust the media, but they listen to the media. Of course, and you believe what you see, you believe what you read. No matter if you think, oh yeah, I'll question everything, you still kind of gravitate towards what you see. So they still have a big say in how the world, the way people see the world.

1:15:03With the Diddy stuff, and then you had the R. Kelly stuff. even though we say things are corrupt this and that but at least people are getting charged at least there's pressure getting put on these high profile names as well so we've still got to give some credit but with the diddy stuff how dark and deep do you think it goes well i think it goes all the way up the food chain i mean politicians are being compromised forever our founding fathers People think of Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton as saint-like. But Alexander Hamilton was having an affair with a 23-year-old, and her husband was blackmailing him.

1:15:46And there was a muckraking journalist who found out about it and outed Alexander Hamilton as having an affair with this 23-year-old. And then he thought Hamilton and Jefferson really disliked each other, so he thought Jefferson would give him an appointment in his administration when Jefferson became president, and Jefferson didn't. So he outed Jefferson for having sex with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings, which genetics approved at this point. So it's been going on forever. Yeah, because with the Diddy stuff now... Now there's little cameras that make it much easier. Do you believe there is recordings from Diddy's parties?

1:16:23Absolutely. I mean, that's what the Homeland Security was there for. Did you see the videos of Justin Bieber when he was 14 and that they was making him feel uncomfortable? Could Justin Bieber have been a victim of that day? Entirely possible. I mean, a guy like Diddy, it wasn't like he said, well, I'm feeling moral today. I'm not going to do that or I'm not going to have that kid molester. I'm not going to molest that kid. We're talking about a guy who's a psychopath. Epstein was a psychopath. We're talking about psychopaths. I mean, they don't have a pang of conscience. These things don't bother them.

1:17:03Yeah, because you've seen the young kid Usher as well when he says, would your kids be at a party? And he says no. Because they're only 13, 14 are saying people having sex and parties. For a young boy, listen, they're probably, it's not right, but they may be attracted to it more because they're seeing the lavish lifestyle and they're being groomed they're not realising what they're going through and then the young girl Davy Chase is it? or Davy Chase the young girl she was 13 and Diddy was saying you're coming back to the after party he's got a bottle of champagne, he's getting all excited it just fucking screams out pedophile, and same as with Jimmy Savile he just looks like a wronging he just looks bad, but yet they call it in plain sight with Jimmy Savile he owned morgues morgues he owned um hospitals he had the keys to the hospitals had the keys to mental institutes where he was going in and doing what he wants people were high-fiving him shaking his hand they basically had the keys to abuse and do whatever he wanted to any human being he he wanted to take and that's this is where the sickness comes in and like you say these people are psychotic but the psychopaths psychotic and psychopaths are different what's the difference Psychotic is like they hear voices and things like that.

1:18:15Psychopaths are just people with no conscience. No feelings? No feelings. Cold. Yeah. What do you think the outcome will be with that day? I think unless something happens, Diddy's going to keep his mouth shut and he's going to probably get a 20-year sentence, just like Maxwell. But his kids aren't going to be charged and his family isn't going to be charged and they're going to be able to keep his money. What about the deaths around him? His wife, Kim Porter, who died with ammonia? Yeah, I don't know about if someone dies from pneumonia. I mean, Diddy's name has been linked to a number of homicides, but I haven't been able to do that.

1:19:06I've been anything is possible, but a lot of people go a bridge too far with their speculation. People love and that's that's the media now. It's they love salacious speculation. That's all it is. I mean, there are people on the Internet that go off for hours on salacious speculation. And it hurts people like me who are like looking for facts. but people would much rather interview someone that's going to give them a lot of salacious bullshit over someone who's going to give them facts that aren't as pyrotechnic. Yeah, this is what we need to be careful of because everybody's got a voice now with social media and anybody can come in and say any old shit and people will gravitate and believe it because people love this conspiracy right now, whatever, tinfoil hat, whatever you want to say, but you've got to really question every angle and it's, we're living in a society where anybody can portray, I was Diddy's bouncer or I was Epstein's bodyguard and just come on and talk pure shit and people would believe it.

1:20:09I refuse to engage in salacious speculation. I just refuse to. I'm a journalist. Do you think there'll be more people going down with Diddy? At this point, it's looking like it's going to be a Maxwell thing. It's going to be one and done. Do you hear that? That sound, right? That means that summer's officially here. It means that grown adults just sprint into the street for a frozen dessert shaped like a cartoon. But this summer, Mint Mobile has a better treat. Every plan, including unlimited, is$15 a month. And unlike ice cream, it won't drip down your wrist or look nothing like the picture. Does anyone have any cash?

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1:22:05You know, you've been helpful and you're going to have to do some time, but your family's going to get to keep your money. And when you get out of prison, you're going to have your money. And I mean, that's how it's going to go down, I believe. What about the R. Kelly stuff? Did you ever look into that? Not too deeply. I think that R. Kelly was kind of just focused on R. Kelly. I think, whereas Diddy, I think, has been pandering people and been engaged in blackmail. Do you think a lot of people will be running scared just now? Or do you think Diddy's done? It's entirely possible. It's entirely possible.

1:22:39What about the free cough parties? What did you actually hear about them? Was everyone getting drugged? Because I had Big Gene on, and he was talking about the baby oil. And he says, will you ever see brothels being busted and people being carried out? It's just really the prostitutes or the owners. They'll never take the baby oil. So why would they take the baby oil from Diddy's house? Because there was something in it. He believes there was stuff in it. Entirely possible. I don't know. What about the baby oil and the kind of drugging people? How true is that? Do you know? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that happened.

1:23:18It gets people, when you apply them with alcohol, and give them drugs, it lowers their inhibitions. And then they would engage in things that they normally wouldn't engage in. And you can, you know, if they're inclined to go towards a younger person, you can easily blackmail them. If you have footage of someone having sex with a minor, you own them. Like I said earlier, you're on the yacht. I mean, no one's going to kick you off the yacht. you're on it, and you're going to be riding that yacht for as long as you're going to be riding it. Yeah, because obviously Diddy, they're now saying with all the gay stuff as well.

1:24:01So if it's not just people having sex with minors or having gay sex and this, and people are probably embarrassed, they're fucking high on drugs and drink, he's probably spiked, and then that's where they've got them, and they can do anything for him. The guy that started Bad Boy Records with Diddy. Clive Davis. Now, he's a bad guy. How so? A really bad guy. This guy has been engaged in all kind of criminality, and he hasn't spent one day in jail. He was busted three times for filing tax returns, fictitious tax returns. He was busted three times for defrauding the IRS. In the United States, payola is when a record company gives money to radio stations or disc jockeys to play their songs.

1:24:52That's against the law. He was busted in the biggest payola scandal ever when he was president of CBS Records. And then there was a Genovese crime family guy named Pascual Falcone who got busted with 22 pounds of heroin, smuggling 22 pounds of heroin in the United States. And then they dug into Falcone's past, and they saw that he had all these shell companies. And money was being funneled into these shell companies by Clive Davis. And he and this Genovese guy were splitting the money, thousands and thousands of dollars. And the guy engages in that much criminality and doesn't do a day in prison or even jail.

1:25:40it's pretty obvious to me that he's working for the government in one way or the other. And I think that that's, he took Diddy by the hand and they walked down the yellow brick road of protection, government protection. Do you think Diddy was working with the police? Yeah. See, that just puzzles me, how they can let these people off with whatever information. And I don't know. I mean, it was probably at the federal level. Although there was, according to Little Rod, Diddy and his son brought a rapper into the bathroom. They were having a big argument and they shot him. And Diddy told Little Rod and another guy, put him outside the studio.

1:26:27This was at their studio. And there's pictures of the blood. I mean, put him outside the studio and say he was hit by a drive-by. And according to the police and the media, he was shot in a drive-by. Now, how can you differ? I mean, how is it that they couldn't differentiate a point-blank gunshot from one at the distance from a drive-by? I mean, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, somebody was protecting Diddy at that point. because there's rumors now that Diddy's mom was a prostitute and Diddy used to watch his mom have sex and other people his dad was a gangster I believe his dad was actually I think his dad were for Henry Lucas yeah and was murdered because they thought he was an informant which is a possibility yeah do you think Diddy would be offered a deal to give more names to get a lighter sentence or have they got the head of the snake it's at a level now do you think they've got the head of the snake with him No.

1:27:32Do you believe those might go? Yeah. I mean, there's all kinds of ditties. There's all kinds of Jeffrey Epstein's running around the world, working for intelligence agencies. There's all kinds of them. I know, I've been in this world for 22 years. I know a lot about child trafficking. the national center on sexual exploitation has like an international summit every year i've spoken at three of them i've spoken at all kinds of conferences i just don't do this because it's salacious and it makes me money actually it's really hurt my career i do this because i care about the welfare of children i've always cared about the welfare of children even before i got into writing about this type of stuff i wrote a book about lower socioeconomic children in america and how they were shortchanged and how damaged they could be.

1:28:29So I've been writing about lower socioeconomic children in the United States since 1990. And what is that, Sully? The name of that book is America's Children Triumph or Tragedy. And what is that? Well, it's about looking at how children that are deprived of, like, health care, that are homeless, that are deprived of food, and how it hurts them developmentally. Like a child that goes through a year of homelessness, families with children are a fast-growing segment of the homeless population in the United States of America. A family that goes through homelessness, those children are going to be developmentally delayed.

1:29:20And one of the things that people don't realize is that all these things combined, like if a child is born at a low birth weight, and that's generally because the mother isn't given proper prenatal care and subjected to continuous poverty for five years, their IQ is going to be 90 if they're white, and their IQ is going to be 85 if they're black. So they're out of the game completely. And you've got all these things converging on lower social, like 20 % of America's kids at this point live below the poverty threshold. What about coming from broken homes? Well, that depends. You know, I mean, broken homes can definitely affect kids.

1:29:57I mean, are the kids going to be homeless because of that? Are they going to experience hunger because of that? Are they going to be able to have access to health care? Because the rising, obviously, divorce is through the roof at an all-time high. So coming from that broken home and a loved one, there's more likely chance you end up having addiction issues, going to prison, prostitution. Yes. It raises it through the charts. What do you think now it's like to be a kid, especially with social media also thrown into that? Well, I'm glad I wasn't a kid now. You know, I mean, I would have gotten into a lot of trouble with social media.

1:30:31I was kind of a wild kid. But yeah, I mean, America has to reevaluate helping its children. But the thing about children is they don't vote. They don't give money to political campaigns. So they're not very high on politicians must do list. I mean, that's the problem. I believe that could be part of a bigger wicked plan because I've interviewed people who now say there's a checklist for paedophiles and traffickers and grooming gangs to then have kids coming from the broken home, they're not as intelligent, who have addictions, whether easier to control and groom, to then be then sex trafficked.

1:31:21Do you believe that also? Yeah, in the Franklin network that I wrote about, they were getting kids from an orphanage. Now, these kids came from dysfunctional, broken up families, and that's why they were at this orphanage. And they were trafficking the kids, and if the kids did well, not only would they get money, and they're from poor families. So you give them$100,$200,$300, that's a lot to them. But they'd also be given drugs. And if they perform well, they were given more drugs and more drugs. And then they would have the money to buy drugs. So basically, when one of those kids lost their youthful marketability, they were just expunged by that network.

1:32:03And then they're drug addicts. They've been molested multiple times. They don't have any kind of barometer on how to act. Then they go on to commit crimes and compromise their own credibility. It's a perfect system because you screw these kids up, and then they go on to compromise their own credibility and end up in jail and prison. They say one third of people who are abused become abusers themselves. That's often the case, yeah. So it's just a revolving door then. It's just constant where more kids' lives are in danger, and it seems to be getting worse. Would you believe that? Well, I mean, as long as the divorce rates increases and the children below the poverty threshold increases and the children are the fast-growing segment of the homeless population, as long as these trends continue, they're going to be much more vulnerable to predators, for sure.

1:33:01What do you think needs to change? What I think needs to change is there's all these anti-trafficking groups, and a lot of them don't really do much. It's just a cause that people have. I'm going to start an anti-trafficking. And a lot of them wouldn't know child trafficking if it bit them in the ass. So with the organization that I started, Epstein Justice, if our government is covering up child abuse, which it is, I mean, how successful are we going to be on other levels of dealing with this? We've got to start at the top. We've got to make sure our government doesn't cover up child abuse. We've got to make sure that these perpetrators go to prison.

1:33:53That's where we need to start. And then we can start dealing with these other problems. But if our government is going to blatantly traffic children or aid and abet in the trafficking of children, like in Epstein or Diddy, I mean, how are we supposed to fix this problem? We're not going to be able to fix it. ED HARRISON This problem has become the biggest in the world because of the money that's made. They're saying now human trafficking took over the drug trade. Is this correct? Yes, human trafficking makes... It's difficult to know with these numbers, but yeah, human trafficking and the drug trade are, I think, neck and neck as far as making money.

1:34:32Because you can sell a kilo of coke once, but you can sell a person many, many times.

1:34:42So it's a problem. And then harvesting their organs on the black market as well? Well, there's, I mean, well, we know that they're harvesting ovums, but it wouldn't surprise me. In 1998, I wrote an article about a Chinese businessman set up in L.A. and a Chinese businessman set up in New York. And if you want in Oregon, you just go to one of these guys. You want a liver, you want a heart, you want a lung. I mean, boom, they get it for you. And only 1.5 % of the population is A-b negative. So if you're AB negative, you're in a lot of trouble as far as getting an organ. But if you were AB negative, you could go to one of these two Chinese guys and boom, they'd have an organ for you.

1:35:28What they were doing is they were shooting Chinese prisoners. They were tissue typing Chinese prisoners and then an order would come in and they'd shoot them in the back of the head and harvest their organs. So that's been going on. I mean, so obviously the Chinese government doesn't have a problem with that. How bad is it in the United States with missing children? Well, a lot of them go missing. There isn't, like, when we think of stranger abductions, there isn't a lot of those, maybe 300 or 400 a year. But we don't know how many children go missing. Epstein was buying children in Eastern Europe, buying them.

1:36:13And you could buy children here. I mean, there are people that give up their children for money in every country. I hate to say that, but it's the case. Yeah, I've seen that if I do a woman in Africa, I gave up a daughter for$200. They'll give them up in Africa. They'll give them up in Eastern Europe. They'll give them up in the United States. And there's a real misconception. People in the United States think that it's Eastern European kids that are trafficking in the United States, Mexican children that are trafficking in the United States. 85 % of the children that are trafficking in the United States, at least these are the figures that I've come, and they seem to make sense to me, 85 % of the children that are trafficking in the United States are American children.

1:37:01All these victims that have came out, especially against Epstein, how many victims could he possibly have been involved with? Epstein, because only the ones that have came forward there's still a big number, but the whole list of it for 20 years, 30 years, how many do you actually? 225 have been given settlements. 225. Actually, 225 have come forward. 150 have been given settlements. Eight have declined the settlements. Now, if you get a settlement from the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, you've got to sign an NDA saying that you're not going to sue anybody else. so and and that's how victims heal is by talking and that what what those lawyers are doing with the epstein victims compensation fund is evil making those girls sign ndas and i'll tell you another thing that's evil i've spoken as i said earlier i've spoken a number of child trafficking conferences i've i've met psychologists and psychiatrists that work in this area extensively.

1:38:07And I know a psychologist who's a very prominent psychologist. If you were a psychologist in the United States, you'd know who this person is. She had a client that she felt was trafficked by Epstein when she was under 10 years old. The kid described Epstein's house and all kinds of things. And she helped her client, she was now in her 30s, apply for money from the Victims' Compensation Fund, and they didn't get any money. And she thinks it's because the kid was under 10 years old, didn't fit into the cover story of 14 or older. And I know another therapist where the exact same thing happened to, where she had a client that was under 10 years old when she said that she was trafficked by Epstein.

1:38:59So she wasn't given a settlement either. If you look into the people that are running the Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, you're going to see some really bad, bad actors. One is Stan Pottinger. He's a CIA asset. You can go to my website and look at the video, the Alpha and Omega of the Jeffrey Epstein cover-up. And I'll get into Stan Pottinger, and I'll show you how dirty Stan Pottinger is. And then he was like the first guy that David Boies brought in, who's a really dirty lawyer, too. Epstein was an intelligence operation, and they're using intelligence guys to cover up an intelligence operation, which only makes sense when you think about it.

1:39:46See, when they were abusing these kids and trafficking these kids, was there any possibility they could have been killing these kids as well? because so many people to them being through their trap to try and let go, if you know what I'm saying, so they wouldn't give information or give evidence against them. Is there a possibility they were also killing these kids? Well, it's part of it. There was a book called The Snow Killings that was written that was about a pedophile network in Detroit that was kind of an adjunct with Fox Island, which was run by a notorious pedophile. And four kids were murdered by this pedophile network.

1:40:26And three or four guys, a number of them ended up in jail. And three or four of them were polygraphed. And they knew, they had knowledge of those kids that were dumped alongside the road. and there was one guy where there was mitochondrial DNA that was found in his car but none of them went down except for one guy his name was Christopher Bush and that suicide scene is staged so sloppily that it's almost a joke um I could have done a better job staging a suicide scene and i've never staged one before so in that network they were killing kids i believe that they were killing kids and that's the thing when we were talking about you know these guys can have steak every night and then they go for forbidden fruit sometimes they get that's what their thing is they get increasingly violent i mean i've talked to a number of victims that have been beat up.

1:41:38I've talked to a victim of Epstein's. She was a little girl. She was given to a prime minister who beat her up. I mean, that's how he got off. A prime minister of a country. What about the secret societies and stuff with kids being not just abused, but tortured, adrenochrome, and sacrifices? There's a lot of information out there about that stuff. Yeah, I think a lot of it is wrong or sensationalistic. I don't deny that these guys kill kids. I mean, they just do. And I believe that they, like, according to Wikipedia, there's no such thing as ritual child abuse. But there's ritual sacrifice. There's all kinds of examples of ritual sacrifice.

1:42:26So people can murder people ritually, but then they can't molest children ritually. I mean, it's kind of ridiculous. Yeah, because before we came on, I was telling you about the man, Tiny, who was in prison raping his infant daughter. The police officer was saying that they were like Satanists. They used to kill kids and drink their blood, and it was some sort of sacrifices from, like, devil worshippers. Well, the occult comes up in the Franklin Network, and there's a group of occultists. In Christianity, one of the highest sacraments is the preservation of innocence. And these guys just flipped the script, and their highest sacrament is the defilement or destruction of innocence.

1:43:25So you end up with people like that. I do believe that there are people like that. Because when you look at Diddy and their videos and some of these music stars, and they've all got the hand signals, and it's there now for people to see. But do they then get groomed into these kind of occults and devil-worshipping kind of satanic where they're doing whatever they can to get this fortune and fame? You're talking about a Faustian pact. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, there are a lot of people that will sell their grandmother for fortune and fame, for sure. But I don't know if some guy with cloven hoofs and a tail and a pitchfork comes in the room and says, you know, do you want to be a rock star?

1:44:17Sell your soul at the crossroads. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I can only interview people to get information like Bohemian Grove and other stuff that's out there. And it was just interesting with that man talking about how these bikers and they were involved with the police and they used to sacrifice kids to then level up and different. It's just, it is a bit far-fetched, But now there's so much information out there, it's all pointing to the truth. And that's what scares people. Well, your listeners should do some research into Francis Sheldon, Fox Island, and the Snow Killings, if they want to.

1:44:56Who are they? Francis Sheldon ran this network. He had an island north of Michigan, Lake Michigan. And he would fly kids into the island, and his buddies would molest them, and then they'd make pornographic or child abuse material with them. And they were affiliated with this network that I said that had killed that we know four children. And Christopher Bush, this guy who took the fall for it, was ostensibly killed himself. What do you think needs to put in place, Nick, to then try and put a stop to all this madness? Do you think it's too far gone? Or do you think... Well, I think if everybody that listened to me joined Epstein Justice and we put pressure on the government, if everybody that I talked to about Epstein Justice did something, we could end this.

1:45:56We could end it next month. It's up to us. Do you ever become afraid? Do you ever worry that your life is in danger? Ah, you know, I had a death threat 22 years ago, and I'm still going. You know, if they kill me, whoever they is, and I'm talking about they, I mean that dark malignant corner of intelligence that we're talking about, they're going to have a martyr. And it's not good to have martyrs. So if they kill me, they kill me. I mean, 22 years ago, I thought this is just too evil. I've got to do something about it. If they kill me, they kill me. What should people look up on? What should people look into to get their own information and make up their own mind?

1:46:42You can go to my website, nickbryantnyc.com, and also go to epsteinjustice.com. You can check out the Nick Bryant podcast. If you go to epsteinjustice.com, there's a lot of things you can do. You can sign a petition. You can write a form letter. that goes to your politician, the federal politicians that represent you, you can just click, and then you can get involved with this. What's the worst thing you've ever heard? Murder. As a journalist? Murder, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been dealing with murder for a long time. I told you in 1995 I broke that story about the serial killers. There are people that just are very sadistic and psychopathic and like to kill people.

1:47:34Can you switch off, Nick? Can you switch off from this life now? Because you became so far involved in it. Can you ever switch off when you go home? The same as we when I do these interviews. You never really forget what was said. You try and keep yourself busy. But when you hear about it, it still plays in your mind. You keep out a walk somewhere feeling good, and you remember a story that someone says, and you'll think, fuck. If you met me outside of this, You would never guess that I was involved with what I'm involved in. People get, I mean, and I don't talk about it. So, I mean, I think it's, for me, speaking for myself, it's important for me to have like a spiritual equilibrium to deal with this.

1:48:19Where do you go forward for the future before O 'Neill? Well, we need to get traction with Epstein Justice. I mean, we need traction there. And we need the government to come clean about protecting pedophiles and why they protect pedophiles. And then at that point, we can do something about it. If our government, if the U.S. government is aiding and betting child trafficking and not prosecuting child molesters, how can we go forward with an anti-trafficking movement? If it's happening, I mean, do we just ignore the white elephant in the living room? Most anti-trafficking organizations are willing to ignore the white elephant in the living room, which I just find mind-boggling.

1:49:03What about Jay-Z and Beyonce? Have they ever came across your radar? They have as far as attending Diddy's parties. Yeah, because like you say, man, I think there's a lot of people who have been compromised. Has Diddy been a scapegoat as well? Like where he's the one that's been thrown under the bus, but there's worse than him? or do you think he was the number one who was compromising everyone else for his own wicked gain? I mean, I think that Diddy made some kind of deal with Clive Davis and Clive Davis isn't untouchable. I mean, as I said earlier, I've delineated how many crimes he's been involved in that we know of and he hasn't done a day in jail.

1:49:45I mean, he's obviously working with the government and I think that he took Diddy by the hand and they walked down the yellow brick road. Clive Davis isn't going to go down though. Diddy's going to go down. But Diddy got everything he wanted, fame and fortune and as much sex and drugs as he possibly wanted. Now he's got to pay the price. What about Michael Jackson? Did you have a look into him? Yeah, I believe that he is a child molester, for sure. I mean, the Jackson estate paid off a lot of people. And I mean, HBO made that documentary about it. But also, the head of Michael Jackson's security became the head of P.

1:50:25Diddy's security. So that's kind of incriminating in and of itself, but it's incriminating. And that's the sad thing, because people genuinely look up to these people as superstars, as idols, and like the Michael Jackson thing. I've always been skeptical, because I feel as if he was a kid himself. But there's never any smoke without fire, and you can't look into someone who wants to shed a bed with a kid. No matter how big his bedroom is or whatever, it just ain't normal. Just because it's Michael Jackson we kind of accept it. So I would hopefully love to think none of these men were involved in stuff like this and they were all set up, but you've still got to look at the evidence and things just don't sit right.

1:51:08Read what I write and then read the Franklin scandal. Read Confessions of a DC Madam. Go to my website. Check out my podcast. There's lots of examples. And where can people buy your books, Nick? Anywhere where books are sold. There's two Nick Bryants. There's actually a Nick Bryant from Australia. He's much better looking than I am, but I think I'm smarter than he is. What else? Social media, is there anything? Have you got any of that? Nick, double underscore Bryant for Twitter. Nick Bryant on Facebook. Epstein Justice on Facebook. We've got Epstein Justice on TikTok. We've got an Eversing Justice on Instagram.

1:51:52So. MARK BLYTHER And can anybody message you and just have a chat? Maybe possibly victims come? Because a lot of people watch these shows. MARK BLYTHER Yeah, I mean, people email me all the time through my website. MARK BLYTHER Just before we finish up, how do you judge who's telling the truth and who's not, Nick? Because a lot of people then, because this is the thing as well with these so-called celebrities, there is a lot of truth in what they've done, but you also got a lot of blackers who then come out and make false accusations. Have you ever came across that? Yeah, I have. There was a district court judge in the district court of Minnesota.

1:52:31His name was Patrick Shills. And before he became a judge, he handled 500 cases of molestation by various priests. And he worked for different dioceses. And he, as I said, he handled 500 cases and he was asked how many of those cases he felt, how many of those people were not telling the truth that had claimed to be sexually assaulted by priests. And he said maybe 10. So we're talking 2%. Most people that come forward with either being sexually abused as children or even sexually molested or assaulted as adults, they're not lying. I mean, why would someone want to put themselves through all that heat?

1:53:23So generally, people are telling the truth about it. But I get contacted all the time and practically daily. And people want me to investigate that or investigate this. I'm just one guy. You know, I mean, I can't. I wish I could. There are people that send me emails that I think. I mean, there are people that are crazy, but then there are people that I believe are telling the truth. But I can't. I'm just one guy. You know, I can't investigate everybody's story. What about religion? Because obviously the Catholic Church and priests, that there's a lot of seed of darkness and same as the muslim side of things um in the uk there's a lot of grooming gangs but the majority of grooming gangs are coming from pakistani muslims that a lot of people then blame oh it's their religion they shouldn't be following this religion but do you believe that these people are again bad before they go to religion or do you think the religion can change people because there's a lot of satanic stuff in the bibles and stuff like that when you actually read through it there's a lot of darkness drinking blood and eating flesh and i think lots in the Bible got his two daughters pregnant, and then they've got the Koran, where there's some dark stuff as well.

1:54:34And I don't want to discredit people's religion and people's belief, because people would die for it. I'm not aware of people eating children's flesh in the Bible. Yeah, there's flesh eating and drinking blood, yeah. Really? And Lot's got his two daughters pregnant as well. I'm not aware of that. Yeah. What do you think of religion? I'm a spiritual person. I think that... RICK BARRY, Religion can be a good thing, and religion can be a bad thing. Religion can cut both ways. RICK BARRY, Yeah. Do you not think it has any? RICK BARRY, I've known some people. I mean, you've got these Catholic priests that should be in prison forever, that the Catholic Church moved around and enabled them to molest God knows how many kids.

1:55:21But then I've also known Catholics that are really decent people. I'm the same. I'm not a religious man. I'm very open-minded to it all. I've got friends in every religion every country, all the way around and people are good, people are bad I genuinely don't think religion can then force people to then abuse kids, same as the priest, there's a lot of fucking nasty people out there, the money is being spent for the cover ups same as the Muslim side of things, I know many Muslim brothers and sisters that are amazing, but I interview people and they say there's a link to certain things I genuinely don't know, that's just why I asked the question Well I mean people are molesting kids in every facet of our society, whether they're Muslim or Christian or Jewish.

1:56:09I mean, it doesn't matter. The Boy Scouts. I mean, the Boy Scouts hid child molesters forever, like the Catholic Church. Not as long as the Catholic Church, but very much like the Catholic Church. I mean, they had a list of thousands of predators that they didn't make public at all. Do you think there should be more of a duty of care for people who work with kids, school teachers, Boy Scouts, football coaches, to give them a further, we wouldn't say an investigation, but a proper interview or proper background check to make sure? Because it's a prime example. If you want to abuse kids, you're going to be wanting to abuse kids.

1:56:52Well, I think as a society, we've gotten a lot better that way. I mean, we've seen the Catholic Church get away with this. We've seen the Boy Scouts get away with it. Now, we've got to stop the government or some dark malignant corner of the government from doing this. I mean, that's where we're at now. I mean, that's the next level here. Nick, just before we finish up, for anybody who's maybe watching, that's maybe in a life of struggle right now, what advice would you have for them? try to find someone a therapist or maybe a spiritual advisor that you trust that can help you there's a lot of therapists out there that know how to deal with trauma i spoke at the international society for at the international society for the study of trauma dissociation they have an international meeting it's do you hear that that sound right that means that summer officially here.

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1:59:00And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans. It's a whole organization that's geared towards helping people that have been sexually traumatized or traumatized. And there's other organizations like it. So the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, that would be a good first step for a lot of people that are trying to cope with that. NICK BALLETTANI, Nick, would you like to finish up on anything else?

1:59:38NICK BALLETTANI, I think I'm about to talk you out. NICK BALLETTANI, Listen, thank you for coming on today. NICK BALLETTANI, You bet. NICK BALLETTANI, Keep up the amazing work. It's unbelievable what you're doing, what you're achieving, exposing the dark stuff off this world. There's not many people do it. There's not many people got the balls to do it. So I take my hat off to you. I wish you nothing but the best for the future. Well, thank you, sir. God bless you.