In short
Alana Percival discusses her relationship with Lee Andrews, whom she says was a manipulative con artist and “dangerous person,” and compares her experiences to those of Katie Price. She claims Andrews used love-bombing, lies, and staged evidence (including videos and alleged wealth) to extract money and control women, while also presenting himself as a different person than he is.
Guest backgrounds
Alana grew up in King’s Langley, Hertfordshire, with a “privileged” private-school upbringing. She says she lost her partner to suicide in her early 20s (partner was 22) and later experienced severe depression, including time at the Priory in North London. She describes moving to Cyprus to reset, and later opening a retreat company called “Reps,” emphasizing repetition, nature, and “sweat lodge” ceremonies.
Key claims about Lee Andrews
She alleges he had multiple prior relationships, used “relentless” messaging and targeted conversations, and built trust by mirroring her pain points (including flowers and personal details). She claims he had a flight ban, repeatedly canceled flights with excuses, and never seemed to be at the “Palm” house he claimed to own. She says exes warned her he was dangerous and violent, and that he scammed others by showing paperwork and staging investments.
Notable examples
She cites “61 lies in 48 hours,” a Range Rover/driver promise that didn’t materialize, and a story of a woman losing about £170,000 to an “aura” investment that was allegedly liquidated years earlier. She also mentions Andrews filming himself in an empty Palm house that she says wasn’t his.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWelcoming Alana Percival
0:30 to 1:34
James welcomes Alana Percival and introduces her background.
“May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller.”
Alana's Experience with Lee Andrews
1:34 to 3:18
Alana shares her experiences with Lee Andrews and expresses concerns about him.
“And today's guest we've got Alana Percival Alana how are we?”
Alana's Early Life and Loss
3:18 to 4:30
Alana discusses her upbringing and the loss of her partner.
Mental Health and Stigmas
4:30 to 6:01
Alana talks about mental health issues and societal perceptions.
“is what I say and a milk round how old were you when you lost your partner?”
Navigating Personal Struggles
6:01 to 7:27
Discussion on the impact of personal struggles and societal expectations.
“You can never be positive because it's constant emails and letters and barristers and lawyers.”
The Burden of Men’s Mental Health
7:27 to 9:29
Exploring how men deal with mental health issues and societal expectations.
Tattoos as a Form of Release
9:29 to 11:15
The conversation shifts to tattoos and their significance for healing.
Alana's Journey of Self-Renewal
11:15 to 14:00
Alana discusses her journey of self-discovery and starting anew.
“But weird that you say that because I actually, as depressing as this sounds, I look at my tattoos and I will get a tattoo when I'm in a bad mood.”
The Importance of Personal Reset
14:00 to 18:04
Learn about the significance of resetting oneself and the impact of positivity.
“Like, even if I'm in a bad mood, I do the most random thing.”
Experiencing Nature for Healing
18:04 to 19:16
Discover how connecting with nature can serve as a reset for mental clarity.
“So before I went in, the man that runs them, he actually said, the war is over and you're going home.”
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Transformative Power of Sweat Lodges
19:16 to 22:28
Explore the unique experience of sweat lodges and their ceremonial significance.
“And I was like, I just go into things very optimistic, open minded.”
The Reality of Drug Dependence
22:28 to 26:34
Understand the challenges of drug dependence and its effects on life and relationships.
“There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone.”
Reflections on Family and Personal Growth
26:34 to 28:00
Reflect on how personal choices affect family dynamics and the journey of growth.
“did you realise how much drugs you were taking in there or were you just not caring because it was numbing you?”
The Journey Through Grief and Acceptance
28:00 to 34:58
Exploring the complexities of grief and how to handle it positively.
“and I'm quite happy to say that and, like I said, I apologise if anyone is watching this, but that's how I feel.”
Rebelling Against Expectations
35:08 to 42:00
Discussing childhood influences and the desire to rebel against strict upbringings.
“And yeah, I came, they were quite strict to my parents.”
Manipulative Tactics in Relationships
42:00 to 46:09
Learn about the manipulative behaviors and red flags in toxic relationships.
Unveiling Deception and Scams
46:40 to 56:00
Explore the intricate details of scams and the emotional turmoil involved.
“You know, that's the one thing that he always used to say and I would be like, no, honestly, I'm absolutely fine.”
Unraveling Toxic Behavior
56:00 to 56:40
The conversation delves into the effects of narcissistic behavior in relationships.
“You may not know this, but I have eczema.”
Unveiling Deception and Scams
56:40 to 57:26
Explore the intricate details of scams and the emotional turmoil involved.
“But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about ebglis?”
The Illusion of Wealth
57:37 to 59:58
Discussion on materialism and the deceptive lifestyle of a partner.
“did send him like two photos off of his instagram and then a photo that we had took together and i I'd cropped his face out and I was like, like, do you even lie about the way that you look?”
The Truth Unfolds
59:59 to 1:02:08
Uncovering the reality of financial manipulation and imprisonment.
“So when did you find out about that woman who he was taking money from?”
Possessiveness vs. Protection
1:02:09 to 1:04:48
Exploring the line between protective behavior and possessiveness in relationships.
“No, I was quite aware that it was a lot.”
The Dark Side of Love
1:04:49 to 1:10:02
Revealing the extent of emotional and physical abuse in the relationship.
Abusive Contracts and Manipulation
1:10:02 to 1:21:23
Listeners will learn about the shocking manipulation and abuse experienced in a toxic relationship.
“And as his wife, you know, he'd say, like, this is a contract from Lee Andrews to my future wife, you know.”
Escape from a Volatile Relationship
1:21:23 to 1:23:38
The discussion reveals the harrowing experience of escaping an abusive partner and the complexities of recovery.
“I rang my best friend and I said to her, she lived two blocks up, and I said, please, please come and help me.”
Impact of Pornography and Addiction
1:23:38 to 1:24:00
Exploration of how pornography addiction can influence behavior and relationships.
“A lot of people who watch porn are nutcases.”
Uncovering Deceptions in Relationships
1:24:00 to 1:25:28
Learn about the complexities of trust and deception in intimate relationships.
“It spoke about 10 of the biggest serial killers.”
Media Exposure and Personal Freedom
1:25:28 to 1:27:55
Discover how media attention can impact personal relationships and self-identity.
“Do you think you would have just got on with your life And stayed silent Yes.”
Understanding Katie Price's Choices
1:27:55 to 1:29:12
Analyze the dynamics of Katie Price's relationships and her public persona.
“Yes, people can use filters, but the lens that he's went to is a whole different ballgame.”
The Manipulative Nature of Abusive Partners
1:29:12 to 1:35:16
Examine the tactics used by manipulative partners to gain control.
The Importance of Speaking Out
1:35:16 to 1:38:00
Learn why sharing personal experiences can lead to broader conversations about abuse.
“No, I spoke to her like when it first kicked off and then I haven't spoken to her.”
The Start of a Greater Dialogue
1:38:00 to 1:39:10
Discussion on the potential for more individuals to come forward regarding their experiences.
“Yeah, like I say, I'm very glad that I spoke up just because I know that it's not just one or two people that I've helped.”
Personal Stories of Abuse
1:39:10 to 1:40:40
Sharing experiences of trauma and the impact of abusive relationships on mental health.
“I have been in contact with the police here but because the crimes weren't done in the UK they actually can't, it's under their jurisdiction is it?”
Legal Challenges and Ongoing Investigations
1:40:40 to 1:42:00
Exploring the complexities of legal actions and jurisdiction related to abuse cases.
“Because you bounce a check in Dubai, you can go to jail.”
Helping Others Through Charitable Work
1:42:00 to 1:43:00
Plans to initiate charity events and support those who have faced similar struggles.
Reflections on Past Relationships
1:43:00 to 1:46:40
Discussing the complexities and dangers of past relationships and their effects.
“you know what else what else do you do yeah and it is when you think about it like you think shit how naive well if I was but when you understand what you actually went through and it's no laughing matter.”
The Impact of Society on Relationships
1:46:40 to 1:51:20
Examining how societal norms and media influence perceptions of relationships and intimacy.
“Well, he said that he turned Muslim for his ex but again...”
Understanding Manipulation and Control
1:51:20 to 1:52:00
Discussion on the psychological manipulation present in toxic relationships and its consequences.
Understanding Manipulation and Abuse
1:52:00 to 1:55:45
Explore the complexities of emotional manipulation and the challenges faced by victims.
“And that's something that I don't have the answer for.”
The Impact of Personal Trauma
1:55:45 to 1:57:58
Discuss the lasting effects of personal trauma on relationships and self-perception.
“But you've been through ups and downs, you've been through a mad shit in your life.”
Societal Issues and Child Safety
1:57:58 to 2:00:16
Address the worrying trends in society regarding child safety and support systems.
The Need for Great Reset
2:00:16 to 2:01:04
Discuss the concept of a societal 'great reset' to combat growing issues.
Navigating Relationships After Trauma
2:01:04 to 2:03:22
Examine the challenges of dating and building trust after experiencing trauma.
“I know Germany was bad in the 30s and 40s.”
Open Conversations About Healing
2:03:22 to 2:06:00
Encourage discussions around mental health and healing from past experiences.
“Unfortunately, I just have a mindset just that, okay, just because he's done that does not mean that another person is going to be doing the same thing.”
Support and Resilience in Tough Times
2:06:00 to 2:07:33
Learn about the importance of perseverance and support during challenging situations.
“Apparently he had the snip, but apparently he's trying for a baby with Kate.”
Closing Thoughts and Well Wishes
2:07:33 to 2:07:53
Hear final encouraging words and best wishes for overcoming adversity.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00An all-new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone, you're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu Original Series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller.
0:36Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The Certified Fresh Series returns. Your boss. You always like this, or is this just an act? Oh, no, this is mad. Oysters, everybody! How to have my heart! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to live
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1:33And boom we're on And today's guest we've got Alana Percival Alana how are we? Very good thank you, very good First and foremost thanks for coming on the show You were fiancé to Lee Andrews Unfortunately Who's now married to Katie Price Yeah Yeah I watched a podcast with him 2024 There seems to be a lot of shiftiness about this man And I don't know him personally, but from what I gather, he does look like a bit of a bullshitter. You've lived it firsthand. You went through a lot with the man. A lot of lies, a lot of videos he was sending. You bought into it, let's be honest. You bought into it as well.
2:11The same engagement that he had with you, he had with Katie. I believe he's been married a couple of times before. Maybe more, I don't know. I just heard on the podcast that he'd had a wife, divorced, met another woman. So it seems like, I don't know if it's more a plan or agenda to get that from women. I don't know but I guess that's why you're here today. How are you? Yes, very good. Yeah, yeah he's definitely a very odd character in many of ways. Hence why I came out into the public in the first place because I truly believe that he's actually quite a dangerous person as well as a con artist and just like you say a bit of a plonker and just someone that really shouldn't be walking the streets freely.
2:55and when I say that it's just because of the things that I've seen and heard from him so I've had my own experiences and I also know a lot about like ex-relationships because I also done the same as Kate so I ignored what the outside world said and just listened to myself which I wish that I had gone with my intuition to start with. Hindsight's always a wonderful thing you know and if somebody comes in and speaks the right stuff tells you what you want to hear love love can be blind you know you kind of ignore the red flags for possibly one green flag yeah but that's life that's why you're here yeah yeah you need to learn because if you don't it's a life can be a struggle without all that madness you know add that on me it's a car crash but before we get into everything though i always like to go back to the start of my guests to get more of a bit of understanding about you alana where you grunt and tell what all began um i grew up in king's angley uh hertfordshire um yeah had a really good normal life privileged upbringing all girls private school i was always a bit of a black sheep um and yeah left there uh was in a relationship from a young age my partner died at my young age went through quite a lot of stuff in my life but always sort of got a cup half full and been just taught a lot of lessons in life and I think I've lived the life of like a 50 year old so like even now I'm 32 I feel like I've had I've had an uphill paper round is what I say and a milk round how old were you when you lost your partner?
4:37I was the early 20s how old was he? 22 do you mind me asking how he died? he took his own life yeah was the scenes yeah yeah yeah there was there was a lot of stress surrounding the the time um we we lived together um and yeah there was there was a lot of signs but back then it like i'm not saying that it's like a trend now but back then like people taking their own lives was like a massive thing you know like it wasn't very common now I feel like it's a bit more common and like yeah you have weird things on social media and I don't know it's a bit you know how it's sort of transformed into something that's a bit like more normal now because mental health is more normal I guess it's normalized um yeah uh it was a hard time in my life it was very hard time in my life because uh we were we all come from a little village um and we had like a big group of friends and i guess when it comes to that when he passed there's a reason why he went so downhill and it's something that I've never told anyone and I still won't tell anyone because I will never tarnish somebody's name because it wasn't true what happened but he actually had something like accused against him and it was wrongly accused and it just really it tore him apart and he just went downhill and downhill every week and then yeah he he started off by you know just a bit of self-harm i got him sectioned they let him out within 20 or four hours um and yeah i woke up in the middle of the night one night and he had gone and he yeah he was yeah the false false allegations man it destroys lives men and women i was going through family courts and shit to see my son and i'm a strong character but the levels are going through something and you think what the fuck is going on.
6:57Yeah. You know? Like, it does. It's the negative environment. You can never be positive because it's constant emails and letters and barristers and lawyers. Yeah. I think, I just want to get these people out in my fucking life. Yeah. And it's consistent, and it's the money, and it's the mental drainage. And yeah, it's understandable, man, because it's rife now. And I'm not saying everybody's innocent either. You know? You don't know the full stories of everybody's lives. But when you're going through a process like that, it does take its toll. definitely and you can see why a lot of people think not the only way is is other side yeah yeah yeah i mean i i'm really sensitive around like the subject of like depression now because i went into such a dark depression and i ended up in north london priory um and now again it's so normalized like people like oh yeah i've got depression and i'm on this medication or oh yeah i've got anxiety depression i'm on that medication i'm like why is everyone on medication you've just you've literally had like a hard week like change something in your life go to the gym you know go save up go on holiday change your job change your circle you know there's so much things that people can do but instead they take a tablet but change is difficult and anybody even if you're in a life of mayhem it's comfortable for people because it's what they know yeah and i felt i actually said this last night to nadia i was like i think people find it more easy to be like depressed and down to actually like change and then be happy because being happy is actually harder than being miserable being happy adds more pressure as well because you try and stay there as well and then life throws a little curveball but doctors have got to take accountability for the way they treat patients you're not telling they're not asking them how's your relationship how's your work what are you eating do you get enough exercise are you going out in nature are you planning stuff are you doing affirmations like it might sound a bit gay but repeating stuff you can rewire the brain if you do it consistently and i just think it's easy to give them pills and it's very trendy now now we speak about mental health more than we've ever done but yet suicide rates the worst it's I've been so As speaking about it All the time Healthful I don't think it is I used to be Massive for mental health Yeah But I understand As a man Listen Nobody gives a fuck Yeah Let's be honest You maybe have one or two people Who genuinely do care But it's not enough For you to really want to change And the bottom line is Men keep it all within And women do as well I guess But I can only speak for a man But I feel as if We do bottle everything up But I feel as if We don't want to burden people either Because everybody's got Their own shit So why the fuck Is a man Want to just Moan and complain I feel as if A man should talk A couple of times Listen I'm struggling here Maybe how do I deal With this Figure solutions out But the more you Speak about it The more you just Confirm that you are Struggling And if you're going To keep putting that Out there That's exactly What you're going To keep attracting And it's difficult To break that cycle But if you're going To keep moaning And complaining About something You're never going To get the results You're never going To get the change And there's a lot Of people who And there's so many Different theories now there's so many different answers go to the gym and do this but it's difficult when you're in that place but people can change people have been in seconds away from suicide and no it's not for me i interviewed people who's been suicidal some of them have tried to kill themselves and the rope has snapped and do you know the first thing they think about when they're trying when they try to do it when it happens what have i done yeah they don't want to do it no but if only people could just get that realization before they do it because as soon as they're doing it they think shit that's where he was hanging from the rope and it fucking snapped and i'm laughing because it's we were laughing about it but he was gone in his mind just it was happier to go because it feels as if other people it would be easier for other people but that's not the case because as we say now you don't really take away the pain you just pass it on yeah did you have tattoos in out beforehand.
11:28terms apply.
11:59This show gives me a reason to live. Um, a couple. Not as many. But weird that you say that because I actually, as depressing as this sounds, I look at my tattoos and I will get a tattoo when I'm in a bad mood. So, like, I will go to a different artist every time because it's whoever has space at that time that I want to go and get a tattoo. Because it's like, oh, like, it's like a form of release. It's release self-harm and it can be a sense of self-harm. I've got tattoos as well. I got big tattoos on my back. I'm not a fan of them anymore, but I wouldn't laser them off, first of all, because it's painful.
12:34And I don't give a fuck what anybody says. I got one in my ribs. The one in my back was terrible. I just sweat and shaking. I never used anything. I like to think I'm tough, you know, but it's, they're fucking sore. But I look at them, it's just, they're little chapters for me, stages. That's what was meaningful to me at that time. It made sense. I look at them now and I think, that's bad. it's so cringe man like is it tribal? no it's a I've got a big I've got a massive crucifix with Jesus on but I only got it when I was like in my early 20s but my back's got a little bigger the head looks as if it's grew and the face is all over the gaff the hair looks terrible I don't even know if it looks I don't even know who it is and I laugh because who is that man I have tattooed on my back you know it's just some random and yeah it made sense at the time but for me I think it was a sense of self-harming as well yeah it's like like you would say it's a release yeah you know were you sniffing gear boozing were you taking shit um i went for a stage so i came out of the priory everyone was acting very odd around me and it was like treading their eggshells and i just i didn't like the vibe so i actually just booked a one-way ticket and i went over to cyprus and just started fresh there for a little while um and just where no one knew me or my situation and i could just be me again and just try and rebuild myself um i guess it's a bit like running away i've i've done it a few times but it always works in my favor um so i feel like that's how i reset is by just getting away and then just focusing on myself and then i can come back on once i'm rebuilt um but it's funny that you said said about repetition because we've I just opened a company it's retreat company um and I've actually called it reps because I'm say the same as you like if you repeat good stuff and all you know you repeat stuff in the gym it gets better like or you can repeat negative and it just gets more negative and I'm very much all about like vibrations and what you put out and what you say to yourself and how you speak to yourself is so important.
14:46Like, even if I'm in a bad mood, I do the most random thing. If I get up and I know that I'm, in my head, I'm like, I can't be bothered with today, which I do have. I'm human. I will put on my favorite song, and then I just jump on the bed for, like, two or three minutes. Like, just move, jump on the bed. But if you can't laugh at yourself after, like, a minute of that and like just feel a bit like looser and just a bit better and then just say I'm gonna have a good day today's gonna be a good day because if I wake up and I'm like oh this is shit get on the phone oh yeah like woken up for like shit already I'm like making it a negative day and then all of a sudden it's like you know when them days we walk past the door and you're like your jacket gets caught on the door and you're like for fuck's sake you know like all of that it just it seems to like It could just have such an impact.
15:37So yeah, I'm a big... Yeah, it's important. But when people are so caught up in debt, working 95, kids, schools, there's just so much tension. And I don't believe humans should be following that sort of system and those rules. But we became so far. I think in life, we actually need a reset. I think the world has become so toxic. I think it's become so satanic. I think, listen, there's a lot of beauty in the world as well. but I just feel social media is making everyone lose their mind. I think we've been the guinea pigs. I think I'm going to come off social media for good. I feel as if I can't concentrate anymore.
16:19I try and do a task and I think, fuck me. It takes me five years to do the simplest fucking thing. Like I was sitting there a podcast to try and get clips and trailers and I'm saying it was an hour and a half long. It probably take me like six hours to watch because I'm not doing other shit. People say it's ADHD, whatever. I feel as if it's social media. I feel as if the constant... It's scrolling because you watch something for like 10 seconds, 10 seconds, 10 seconds. So our attention span is like shrinking. Like even with the kids now, like we all, it's like everyone has ADHD. But actually I think it's like you say, it's the whole scrolling thing because it's like you watch something and it's like so short.
16:57So our brain is now like becoming that our attention span is shorter on them. like one small things one small things and we want like yes it is that's my belief on it as well yeah i feel as if but i feel as if we're in a dark place i don't want obviously speaking about it but it's just i feel that's i feel as if where we're at i feel as if ai is playing a massive part in how we see the world how it's all divided how it's all corrupt and there is a lot of beauty when you actually put your phone down you can actually enjoy life a bit more but you can because it's so addicted. I went to Iceland last week to actually try or run my own retreats.
17:34It is the most beautiful place I've ever been. It's like just nature wise, it's just amazing. Like everywhere I looked, I'm like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Like this is just amazing. And like the mountains that you climb and the fresh water, it's just the air, the air quality itself like it's just so fresh and I just yeah like you say like for me it was like that was a reset for myself even just going there and doing that and being around I didn't realize that I'm meant to be doing content and making content but like my screen time was literally nothing because I'm like I'm in like I was so in it and like in with nature and like enjoying it that I wasn't trying to get a forced dopamine off of looking at other people's lives or sitting on you know scrolling I didn't even think about my phone and when it did come to like making the content I was like oh I've had such a nice day I actually don't want to ruin it by sitting on my phone all evening like I'm just want to go back and just lay down and just like take in what I've just done and like where I've just been and like really actually get time to appreciate what's just happened because I actually sat in a sweat lodge and my whole brain had a bit of a shift in there.
18:56A lot of people have not heard of sweat lodges and it's something that I can't really even go into because it's ceremonial and it's going to be on my retreats and I want people to experience it being blind, going into it because it really can change your perspective of life. So before I went in, the man that runs them, he actually said, the war is over and you're going home. And it's like a rebirth. And I was like, I just go into things very optimistic, open minded. And it's probably one of the best things I've ever done. I've had so much therapy in my life. I've talked to many counsellors. You know, I've done it all.
19:39I've seen so many people and that one thing in itself I just feel like it just I sat it it can be quite a long ceremony um but it just at by the end of it all I could think of was I was crying but like crying because I was like I feel so blessed to be in like right here right now with these people i don't know any of them and like the vibrations and like the energy and the love and i was like all of this has just happened to me and i'm like i'm just sat here just thinking like okay it might have all just happened to me but like i'm so lucky and i'm here and i'm breathing and i'm just like how lucky am i how long were you in the priory for a few months what sort of stuff are you doing in there um so uh you go in classes from like 9 a.m until 4 p.m so it'd be like you'll do like art therapy uh meditation and then you'll have like open circles where like you'll speak but i was so drugged up when i was in there like they they put me on so like cotyopine, metazepine, citalopram, like I was like brain dead, like literally brain dead, like I got injected with diazepam a couple of times because I was, I would get upset and angry and I just, I just didn't have a lot of control over what was going on with myself, so yeah, I don't, and I think with places like that it's almost like a prison, when you come out it's like, you like hit society and you go back to the problem like I had to go back and be somewhere where it happened whereas that became like a safe haven almost it was like I didn't want to leave because I knew that I was going to have to go out and like when did your problem sort of start when did the mental issues start were you psychosis or anything no hearing things seeing things no Did you smoke weed?
21:51Yeah, quite a lot Yeah Yeah That's one of the problems as well Yeah It was so glorified weed I smoked weed for years And Years At that time An all new season of the Hulu original series The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus Four years ago we were just making TikToks But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk You act like you're better than everyone, you're not I can't trust anyone in this group She's just dead to me there's so much the public doesn't know watch the new season of the Hulu original series The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers terms apply and we're back streaming on Peacock may I present to you the award winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller slap me just jostling loose yes I like that the certified fresh series returns your boss you always like this or is this just an oh no this isn't Oysters, everybody!
22:51There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. Because if I was sniffing gear, I was different. I was a fucking loose cannon. Yeah. Smoking weed, I could hibernate. I could sit myself. I'd never get anything done. You made plans with me. I was never showing up. Yeah. I'm lazy anyway, and my life is going good, and I'll still think fuck that I'm just sick of people I'm not sick of people maybe a bit too much but I just I don't like to be surrounded anymore with noise and people yeah just love nature and my dogs and my kids and just I'm saying I feel really like I'm quite sensitive to noise like even this morning when I was on the train like when there's people coughing I'm like it on a flight as well and like sneezing and I'm quite sensitive so like I'm like oh god get me out of So you were already losing How much weed were you smoking?
23:47Quite a bit, yeah I wasn't up until actually I moved to Dubai That's a big problem, weed Especially what it's spread with Yeah, chemicals You don't even know what you're smoking anymore We used to get a bit of hash Fucking 25 years ago And then weed started coming in And it was actually okay, you could smoke a joint Eat a couple of pizzas, have a good laugh Yeah Then you just became wired You couldn't move Yeah Just sunk right into the fucking couch And you're like I used to wake up The same place I fucking fell asleep Hands all mangled Head all fucking And I used to think What am I doing? But then I would go I'm not smoking it anymore Yeah And then I would get a shower I'd go on with my day And then I would get excited For smoking it Yeah And I think Nice isn't a good place It became for me It was more like a regular thing So like I would Wake up The first thing I'd do, roll a spliff, have a cup of coffee, take dogs out for a walk While having another spliff, come back, roll a spliff, sit on the sofa, have another coffee, have a breakfast Like, it was like a routine, just all through the day You know, even in the middle of the night, I'd wake up at 3 o 'clock in the morning I'd have a spliff in my tray and, you know, smoke a bit and go back to sleep Nah, that's too much because it's just, you're completely lost And I'm not here to put people down who smoke weed But when you come off of it, you don't realize, like you said, because it's, everyone's like, oh, you know, it's natural.
25:15It's this, it's that. It's not natural these days. It's, like you say, it's full of chemicals. And when I stopped, like, I can't even tell you. Like, I was, for maybe four or five weeks, I was in a bad way. Like, I was absolutely waking up just soaking wet and just having the worst nightmares. everywhere my brain was actually being active again and like coming back to life but it was wild like but people who smoke weed think people don't see it their skin color changes the smell like i see you never stick to any plans they've got good intentions of meeting up doing things but when it comes to it the weed always wins because you would rather just sit in your house yeah you know and then you think you've just let people down i just switched my phone off i wouldn't even tell people no i'm not coming yeah i would just not even i would just ignore it which is so bad as well but that's just who I was I had so much good intentions to doing so many good things even when my dad was dying the family used to go for like meals and stuff he was got totally three months to live and I just couldn't be asked part of that was a bit of depression though I couldn't handle the fact of it so I would rather just sit in and puff my brains out it was just easier people were calmer the family liked me on it because it's sedating yourself you just chilled you like a big fucking zombie see when you get out then did you realise how much drugs you were taking in there or were you just not caring because it was numbing you?
26:39Yeah, just not really caring. I never really thought of it like that to be honest because it was just, yeah, it was just like, it was quite just a norm for me for so many years. How was that for your family to see their daughter going through that shit? Yeah, I do always feel for my family with me because even though I do them very proud now it's not that they haven't always been proud of me but I do come from like a really really like good family and I've always just been a little bit of like the wild child I guess like where me and my sister are very like chalk and cheese even to look at like my mum hates tattoos I come back with tattoos I she would cry her eyes out you know and like I just I know I was a little bit more like careless about things I was like oh you know it's my body is this is that you know whereas I think I think again where it all changed for me is when I decided to move to Dubai because I just was like right and no offense to anyone that might be listening to this that was friends with me but I just realized that I was just I'd been brought up in a family that's really wealthy and I should be somewhere different in life and instead I'm going around with what I would call a degenerate, you know, and I'm quite happy to say that and, like I said, I apologise if anyone is watching this, but that's how I feel.
28:14Like, I was surrounded by people that were so negative and they didn't really want to go to work and they didn't want to make anything out of their life. It's not that we have to be successful and have, you know, luxury cars, luxury house, because there's one thing going to Thailand has really brought me back on is like a simple life is actually so easy. Like the more simple you have it, the easier it is to go and do all these great things. Because actually when you have less, it's like you can actually go and do more. So like, but people, some people want to have a family and do this and that and the other.
28:50So I also understand that part But for me I Yeah I definitely think it had a toll on my family But they've always just accepted who I am And been really supportive Because they know that I haven't exactly had The easiest of times So like It's hard because But there's only so many free passes you can get Yes Without people saying Listen get your fucking head out your ass Yeah Stop using this Because someone can die And we can use it for 30 years Yeah it's Christmas, it's their birthdays, it's the anniversaries, oh, that food reminds me. There comes a stage, like, when my dad died, my mum was up at the grave for years, every day.
29:29And I says, look, I fucking love you, but you need to get your head out your ass, things need to change, you can't keep repeating that cycle, because it's so dark and negative, and it's difficult to say that to someone, because they'd automatically get angry. But, in my own head, it made sense, like, come on to fuck, you're going up there every day you're coming back miserable you understand the grieving process is different for everyone but for years and in fact listen she's amazing my mum would fucking but just repeating that cycle all the time I don't think it's healthy and sometimes we can use that for them to sit in misery yeah I've done exactly the same I used to go down to the tree or the grave and I'd sit there and like but I because it was left with a lot of whys but I'm never going to get the answer so like it took me a lot of years to actually realise that the why is never going to get answered like it's just as simple as that and I have to just carry on living my life I don't think we know how to handle grief I think we handle it wrong I think we should celebrate death yes agreed I just don't think we're just we're black be miserable I don't think that's how we should I don't know how we should handle it, if I'm honest, but I feel as if it can be.
30:45Life should be celebrated if we understood it to a degree. I just think we then sit in our own misery. I think it gives us time to sulk. Obviously, missing someone is very important, especially if they're a big part of your life. But I just don't think we handle it right. I think we do it backwards. And I think it makes us worse. I agree. It was only last week when I was in Iceland because my best friend had a funeral to go to. and I said, I've literally been to two funerals in my life, like, and I will not go to another one unless it's like my closest family because I'm like, I just find them so depressing.
31:19I don't actually understand it. Like, it makes no sense. We all go and like be sad about this person, but actually we should be happy that we've had that person to make the memories with. I'm actually surprised humans aren't scared shitless every day about dying. Like as soon as we're born, we start to die. but we kind of just go through life. We're guaranteed. Yeah, just go through life and not really. This is what I try and tell people is like, as doom and gloom as it may sound, you shouldn't even look at it like that. We are just guaranteed to be born and then to die. So like what you do in between that is completely up to you.
31:55And it's your own story and your own journey. So like you write your own book. So like, and I write a negative book. like it's been wild and it's like I've had some really fun times I've met some really cool people but I'm finally at a stage in my life where I'm like I actually genuinely have found like my true happiness and I wish that again in hindsight that I'd realized what I've realized now earlier on because I'm like right okay like you know I'm just out here just traveling and doing this that and the other and people must think i don't know what she does what does she do for her money what does she do for this what does she do with that because i just am just doing what i want when i want but it is actually quite simple if you just think about logically and what you actually want out of life yeah it's simple but don't use it as simple because we need to learn more lessons first yes and some people don't some people can get through the same lessons 10 20 30 times before where it hits.
32:58Yeah. Do you think being private school girl coming from a wealthy family makes you want to rebel? Because... Yeah, I definitely think, like... An all-new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone, you're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
33:32Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus. For bundle subscribers, terms apply. And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The certified fresh series returns. You're a boss. You always like this? Or is this just an act? Oh no, this isn't it. Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. Hey, it's Kelly Rowland.
34:10You may not know this, but I have eczema. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about EBCLIS? EBCLIS Lubricizumab LBKZ. A 250 mg per 2 ml injection is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kg with moderate to severe eczema. Also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies, ebglyss can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you are allergic to ebglyss.
34:44Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Epclus. Before starting Epclus, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lilly. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about Epclus and visit epclus.com or call 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. I had a lot of rules when I was younger. And yeah, I came, they were quite strict to my parents. so I definitely I mean I moved out at a young age like I didn't drive when I moved so I was 15 16 yeah so like but I didn't want to have rules so for me yeah it was I definitely I think I just got in with the wrong crowd quite young as well but you would have been a target then if you're who your family was and what you're doing because a lot of these girls because i used to date i came from a rough area yeah but the private school girls loved it they loved it and i'm thinking what the is we stay in a place called posso in glasgow it's rough as these girls are staying in million pound two million pound houses yeah but they used to come up there and drink yeah that that was amazing i think i wasn't complaining but i'm just thinking I understand that now that they were just trying to get that escape and to feel normal instead of people looking down at them and, yeah, little snobs.
36:16They hated that. They hated getting called that. They wanted to be because they felt, well, I'm not, I'm not, but they were. But they just wanted to be with the bad sort of lads at the time. Yeah, that was me. And I think the bad thing that comes with that is, like, I came from a farm. We had a swimming pool. We had quad bikes, motorbikes, horses, dune buggies, everything. So, like, land, and my dad owned a company where we could all go to London for free, and, like, you know, no one had to worry about getting there, getting home. So, like, I had a very, like, but then because I became friends with people that haven't had that, it was like, when I, when, it wasn't until I went into the Priory that I realized, shit.
37:01like i don't actually have any friends like actual friends because no one i it's opposite southgate train station no one people would get in a taxi and go outside at 7 a.m after being on it all night to go and pick up a another bag but you know you can't get jump on a train and come and see a friend that's like suffering and just lost their partner and that hit me really hard because when I came out, like, I felt so alone because I've not just lost my partner, I've also lost my whole circle because I'm like, why should I give people the time of day that haven't come and seen me in, like, the hardest time of my life?
37:45When were you at your darkest? Then. Yeah. Then, and I think, when I was with Lee, it's... he picks a very certain type of person. I feel like me and Kate are quite similar. We've been through a lot, and we have very colourful journeys through life, and we're quite friendly and very... You know, if someone says something to us, it sort of just... It doesn't quite stick. So he's very manipulative, and he's like clever with his words when he has you one-on-one obviously you guys have seen more of it now so and where it's become public but when it's just you two it is so manipulative because he will pick up on your pain points and he puts you into your feminine energy and like you start to trust and you start to love and you're like wow like this man gets me because He does this It's a cycle And he is A psychopath You would be a target Yeah Why?
39:00Because you're very open You're very honest And you're vulnerable Yes So any man who's got a bit of savvy Yep You Every person wants to believe What their partner's saying So if you've got someone Who's fucking Buttering you up And filling your head With absolute shit You're in your own world Yeah You go Yep this is a man This is it Because you want to believe it And wow I finally found someone That understands you know and like makes me feel safe and you really do you open up and I opened up to him you know more than I would ever to anyone I or have ever to anyone about what I've been through and my life and this and that and you know my even like down to my parents splitting up when I was around 15 like you know and he he built those pain points and you know he took his little notes in his phone and he done everything to make me feel loved wanted you know my dad used to buy his flowers and before he got really really like wealthy he we used to stand at Watford market selling flowers on a on a on a market stand and in Camden and you know that was our upbringing and then all of a sudden you know his whole life changed and you know he actually made something of his life so like he he knew that that flowers meant a lot to me so there was always fresh flowers you know and i told him a lot about my partner that had died and how our relationship was obviously we were young as well so it's always going to be more fresh it's always going to be more like there's less problems and less hurt and pain and you know issues because it's young love So how did yours meet then?
40:43How did you and Lee meet? How did it happen? So weirdly, he was already friends with me on Facebook, which I don't really know how that happened. And I was down at Kite Beach in Dubai and I'd put up a story of me just in a restaurant. And then, yeah, he turned around and he was like, oh, I saw you down at Kite Beach. you know i looked twice and i said oh if i'd seen you i would have looked three times because i'd gone through his profile and obviously it doesn't look like what his face is to so i was like oh wow okay yeah he's good looking and then i've gone through his profile i'm like oh wow okay yeah it's kind of an impressive guy you know so we started talking and yeah we ended up it wasn't we didn't date for a week because I was really busy with work and he told me that he was really busy with work you know with the royals and everything else
41:47so see when he was already friends with you were you already a target I don't know and who's to say if he was there or not at that time like I always do think that like was you actually there or were you just saying that you were there at that time and that he had seen me from to start a conversation yeah well i watched a podcast of him last night um 2024 he says he was married he says he then fell in love with another woman what i picked up he said she used to go paddle boarding yeah and then he signed up to go paddle boarding and then met in the water and then within people who signed up for the paddle boarding leave their number you do that in the back you put your name your number so he memorized her number so after the paddleboard and then messaged her as well so was he doing these things listen love is love as well if you like someone you're going to put an extra effort you're going to be that extra little bit more creepier to try and get their number to try and get their attention like buying you flowers it's not a big thing but one tool you got on the relate it's a good thing like we've got so many labels now of love bombing this and that people like to do good things but if it's more sinister behind it because you have another motive then that's different yeah so for him to get numbers and it's more pre-planning it seems to me he sees targets yeah who are these people does background checks what can i get from these people what's their story i've then got ammunition that i can use and manipulate to then get these people to do what i want yeah and i think it's a really weird thing with him because i think to start he loves i think he gets a lot out of like love bombing and manipulating because i i do think i don't think he's in love with you i think he's obsessed with that feeling of like wooing and wowing and this and that and it's not until you start pulling him up on these lies that it starts to affect the relationship because there's only so long that you You can believe that he's got a house on the palm and, you know, he hasn't invited you because, you know, he needs to test you because, you know, just in case you might be using him because he's been burnt in the past.
44:00And, you know, he'll get you a taxi instead of that. He'll say, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, you can borrow the Range Rover. Yeah, I've got five cars sitting on the driveway and none of them are getting used. So, you know, I'll just send you up. I'll send my driver up. The Range Rover never turns up. You know, this it's every day. there's like a promise. I think like I went through like the first, I think 48 hours of meeting Lee on my phone and there's over 61 lies within the first 48 hours. Surely that's a red flag with so many messages within 48 hours. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot. Like he's like that throughout.
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44:39Like it's relentless. Like when I used to come home, obviously I realized that he had a flight ban because so that was another massive thing so i wanted to come home and see my family so i'm like oh like do you want to come yeah yeah yeah i'll come i'll come and then like we were meant to fly at like five o 'clock in the morning and then like four o 'clock in the morning he's texting me he's like oh it's not you like i've got some work that's popped up and i need to go to qatar and an all new season of the hulu original series the secret lives of mormon wives is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+.
45:16Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. For bundle subscribers. Terms apply. And we're back. Streaming on Peacock. May I present to you the award-winning staff of the Toledo Truth Teller. Slap me. Let's jar something loose. Ay, yes! I like that. The Certified Fresh Series returns.
45:51Your boss. You always like this? Or is this just an act, oh no, this is mad? Oysters, everybody! There's a certain satisfaction when you work with someone. Maybe we could be a family. You sadistic pig! The Paper. New season streaming September 9th, only on Peacock. This show gives me a reason to laugh. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.
46:33Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. blah blah and I'm like oh so you can't come no no but I'll meet you there in a couple of days and obviously I have but no idea at this stage so I'm like yeah okay like no problem at all oh you know I'll upgrade you to business I'll pay for your flight and I'm like no no it's fine no it's but the flight's already covered like I paid for it it's fine oh I'll upgrade you and I'm I'm just not a taker so I'm like no it's fine don't mind I'll just I'll take a couple of sleeping tabs obviously knocked out anyway I don't care where I'm sitting and um so he's like no no like let me and he's like, oh, you know, don't try and block my blessings.
47:14You know, that's the one thing that he always used to say and I would be like, no, honestly, I'm absolutely fine. And then I came home and then like there was an excuse in two days' time and then there was another excuse in like four days' time and then like the excuses just kept on going and going and going and then I'm like, okay, this is kind of weird, you know, like he's now not going on any flights. and when I first got with him I did receive quite a lot of messages from exes like be careful he's done this to me he's done that to me he's perspirated by it or pers perforated my ear drum yep he's broken my nose you know he strangled me many of times you know he's took my phones he smashed them up he's very jealous he's very angry he's dangerous don't go near him you're his new victim like i was receiving multiple messages off of multiple people and i was like nah you know they're just bitter exes you know exactly what people thought about me when i came out they were like oh bitter scorned ex you know she's just lying or you know and then he was trying to say that I was lying.
48:28I think everyone can quite clearly see what he is now and whoever doesn't needs help themselves. So he was love bombing your messages. Where did you meet? Where were you going if you couldn't go back? He says he has a house in the palm. Where were you going? Hotels and his dad's. That's automatically red flags. If you've got a hotel once, twice, maybe the house is getting renovated. Yeah. But he would take videos and for me, he used to say like it wasn't even his house by the way so he's actually gone to the lengths of to go into the palm go into the palm and taking videos of him walking down like the beach and he's in my hoodie yeah and like and he's like oh you know i'm just walking down my my beach on the fond on my fond you know it was always like my this and my that and you know oh there's no one ever on here look like you know and that's the house just there and it's like four houses over there like you can't even see it he's like you know but the doer something to do with the electric has gone off and you know they need to reconnect it so we're just staying in a hotel again tonight and then like once it back on you know we'll we'll go in and we'll cook some breakfast and then like he's stand at the front door the next day and he'll be like oh the doer's still not on like but he's just stood by the front door like he's not in that he's never in the house and actually i know that there was a woman that messaged and said that um like i think you need to come and get your like boyfriend because he's like broke basically broken into an empty house and they caught him in there walking around filming himself saying that it was his house and like yeah it wasn't his house who paid for food who paid for things um i was it depends whether like obviously now i know where the money was coming from so like he was inconsistent because he's scamming people for money so like i was under the intention that he had money in kenya and he's showing me pallets of money and this that and the other and you know I can't get hold of it right now, you know, I can't touch this, and, you know, I need to do this to release this, and blah, blah, blah, and I need to travel over here, and I've got a contract with, you know, embassies and treasuries and this, that, and the other, but, like, he'll show you the paperwork, it was like the PhD thing, you know, he has generally got all the paperwork, this is how he scams people, is because he, everything is there in front of you, and it looks legitimate, you know, So I feel really sorry for the people like the crystal the person that got scammed while I was with him Like he loved bomb her from America through a phone through a message and was like, you know We're gonna get married.
51:20We're gonna this is while we were together getting engaged, you know We're we're gonna get married and she's actually ended up losing nearly a hundred and seventy thousand dollars to him What did it do? He was meant to invest it into aura which obviously we went through the BVI and found out that actually British Bradley and Islands to those who don't know. And the company's actually been liquidated for like three years. So like it just it proves that everything he's done is genuinely a scam because these people are investing into a company that has got dissolved. What kind of cars did they put you up in?
51:58No he used to just get me taxis But then all of a sudden Things changed I started picking up on loads of stuff How far into it? I'd say probably Four months That's a long time When do you start questioning You being gullible and you being naive Because the signs are clearly fucking there Yeah How hard does it fall when listening or watching Because you're clearly on it as well you ain't fucking silly obviously when I say that you clearly have been as well to let someone get under the radar because with the exes coming forward and all the telltale signs were you that desperate for love on the other hand as well how do you then look at your own self I want to say that I wasn't desperate for love and I definitely wasn't looking for it either like I'm quite happy just to be on my own if not the happiest on my own but it's just the way that he wangled himself in and like I say he mirrored the person that I had loved the most so much that I fell in love with someone that just didn't exist like at all so like I built this picture of someone that was like everything I've ever wanted for it just to turn so dreadful like because when I did start realizing is when things then started being like exactly how the exes were explaining and then I was stuck because I was getting like addicted to chaos because I didn't really know what the calm felt like and I was like I was so I so wanted to be in love with that person that I've just been in love with for four months and I felt so safe with and in my feminine but and now it's all starting to change and I'm my brain is like I can't really even explain it I'm like oh do I leave do I stay do I leave do I stay and then when I did when I I would go through days where I did leave and I was like I don't want this anymore or you know I need a bit of space and like I would leave but I would always get dragged back in because it was like I'm trying to hang on to the highs because you don't want to be that low and like you're like wow you felt so good for that long and then you're like and then you're realizing like you know he actually lives at his dad's and you know where did his dad stay um he's like downtown uh in just a house just a bungalow so he stays with his dad lives with his dad yeah what about the photos surely if you've seen someone with the photos that are he looks about 25 standing with felon musk and then you meet him he's no hair he's old like surely fuck you like we're living in a gay generation by the way like men are becoming weak as fuck men are becoming so gay and i don't listen do you know what i do mean it because it's the fucking truth like men using filters men on tiktok lives i think we're becoming so soft i i see it i think nah ain't gonna be me where like i ain't a fucking clout chaser even though i interview people I use those clips to go forward I'm not doing videos every day speaking into my phone I think when I see men doing that I think listen it's okay to promote your business but I just see men are completely losing themselves they're completely losing their self worth they're completely losing who the fuck they are be a bit stronger have a bit of fucking balls about you but when you see someone using all filters you can see clearly that ain't real when you met him and seen that it wasn't him like what are you thinking then i don't know i think it was more like there's just the charm and the laughter and like so you bypassed it wasn't him on the photos yeah but you've got to take some accountability as well because fuck me like yeah it's there yeah do you know what i'm saying it's there in black and white for you to go nah you're you're not you're not who you say you are yeah but what did they say when you yeah yeah did you ever pull him up for the photos yes yeah yeah yeah not till not till like you say around four months in yeah and when things started going down hill and like he would make me feel really like rubbish about so many things like everything was always turned on me like everything like it was it's narcissistic behavior it's just like uh anything he was trying to cover up it like he would turn it on me to make himself feel better.
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57:10Don't use if you are allergic to EBCLIS. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with EBCLIS. Before starting EBCLIS, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lilly. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about epclus and visit epclus.com or call 1-800-lily-rx or 1-800-545-5979 it could be like the smallest smallest thing like it was just yeah it was it was very toxic but yeah i i guess i i did send him like two photos off of his instagram and then a photo that we had took together and i I'd cropped his face out and I was like, like, do you even lie about the way that you look?
57:59What? And people are insecure and sometimes... I think he believes, like, he's so, like, cocksure. He believes that that's what he looks like because he's so deranged. Like, he's... Honestly, like, it's actually very, very scary. And I know that it's been made into a public joke, but when you actually look into it, it's very scary that someone like that is just casually just walking around Because like not even just mentally Like the man is genuinely a psychopath Yeah we are talking Tinder swindler kind of thing When he had the private planes and all the other shit But he was using the women's money to have that lifestyle I feel as if he was more savvy the Tinder swindler I feel as if he presented himself well He looked the way he acted the way he looked He looked the way he acted He was taking them on private planes So if he's picking you up in a brand new Range Rover If he's taking you to the palm There's no questions You can get away with much longer So if he's going to tell you Can we get money I've got funds in fucking Kenya Here's the gold Here's whatever You could have probably Asked your family He could have probably Done a lot more If he was more Switched on Even though he is psychotic For his behaviour But he's just not As smart as what he thinks he is From my own perspective Yeah Yeah yeah Because as well That's what I was getting to Like obviously when Crystal bless her Like when that when she finally started paying him, obviously, then I started seeing money.
59:29So I was like, oh, actually, you know, I have questioned. I've started to question and all of a sudden he's got all this money and I'm like, oh, OK, maybe it is true. You know, we're going to look at rings and he's taking me down to Cartier. He's getting bags sent to my my workplace while I'm at work, you know. So where my energy had shifted and now all of a sudden, actually, I'm like, oh, maybe he was telling the truth. And then you feel bad for even questioning it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he would make you feel bad for questioning it as well because he'd be like, I told you, but I was just testing you.
1:00:04So when did you find out about that woman who he was taking money from? When he went to prison. So how long into the relationship he went to prison? That was October. How far into it then? Thank you. Seven, eight months. And by that time you're engaged? Yes, we've just got two weeks engaged. So you're engaged a few months into it, he proposes to you in the budge? Yep. How much was a ring? If you don't mind me asking, was it a real ring? Well, from what I was aware of and the ring that we went to look at, it was, I think it totaled to like£70 ,000. pounds. And then you can then go to, as people will know in Dubai, the golden diamond souk, and you can get like a copy paste made and it can be like a five carat you choose.
1:00:59And you know, you can get that for like a fraction of the price. Did you give him the ring back? No. Have you ever had it valued? Yes. Much? Well, it was out of the golden diamond souk. So it wasn't 70 bucks? It's not, yeah. And you believe that was that one? Yes. So see when he, how did he end up in the jail? Because he actually went and put a deposit in front of me on that ring. So he does like small things. So you believe. So when you're putting down, okay, a thousand pounds on, you know, and he'll say, yeah, I'll come pick it up. I'll pay cash tomorrow or whatever, yeah? Like, and I don't want you to be here while I pick it up because it's not, you know, that's not how it's meant to be.
1:01:42and da da da da. So like, you know, the story makes sense. How did they end up in the jail? Um, so CID just came and knocked out our door at like 11 o 'clock at night. In Dubai? Yeah. And how long was that for? About three or four weeks. But within those three or four weeks, I found out a lot. What did you find out? Everything about him, just everything. Because for once, remember like, he was like velcro i didn't i couldn't breathe without him breathing down my neck you know like i i went to the gym he came with me whether he trained with me or whether he just watched me from the corner because if i didn't go with him i straight away i was accused of oh you probably went and talked to this person that person you've probably done this you've probably done that like i was just so i actually almost wanted him to come everywhere with me because i was thinking like it causes so much drama when i'm not with him or if i want to go so i would say like we don't have to train together all the time like i want to train you know two or three hours a day like you're you don't want to train that much like so oh yeah it's fine i'll just come and work in the corner like i've got loads of emails that i can catch up on but like and then he'd like laugh and joke and like he's come over and like you know if if he saw like someone was sitting like or came over and shook my hand like he would actually go over to the person be like oh you like that's my partner like you know it's like very possessive behavior is that a turn-on for you though being someone's where they can make it out as if they're being protective no i i felt beyond that oh yeah yeah yeah i felt because a lot of people can buy into that as well when they say you're my partner i love you i don't want anybody blah blah blah yeah people can go he just loves me not realizing and that's a fucking nutcase.
1:03:27Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I was quite aware that it was a lot. But like I say, it's like as soon as you start believing something and you're like, oh, actually, yeah, this isn't right and you start looking into it, then all of a sudden you pull something out of the bag and then you're like, oh, actually, maybe I am wrong. Did you speak to anyone about it? So when I did,
1:03:57that's again it just turned things very nasty because I would then go back and I'd say you know I have spoken to blah blah about so and so and like this and the other and he'd go you're speaking bad about me in front of your friends and you know you're gonna make them not like me and this is not fair like what you're saying is not true you know if you really loved me you wouldn't be speaking badly out of like when I'm not around like you wouldn't you would never like turn on me behind my back like why are you telling people these things why are you letting them have an opinion they know nothing they couldn't fathom anything that I do in my life this is why I don't tell people because you know they like I say they can't fathom like you know they're small potatoes in my world you know like this is why I don't have people around me because this is exactly what happens and you're just listening to others if this is who you are then like we shouldn't be together because people don't know half of the things that I go through and what do and how I you know the companies that I own and they have no idea because I don't just you know out it to everyone I don't I don't flaunt it to everyone so everyone has their judgment blah blah blah and it just go on and on and on with me about it so I did become muted what was his dad like I have very mixed opinions because like I really really like his dad like his dad is an amazing person.
1:05:17I feel very sorry for him because from what I know and from what he told me while Lee was in prison and wasn't fricked to death of Lee himself and wasn't getting the support off of Lee, he was actually a really successful businessman when they moved over to Dubai like 22 years ago and he had a really successful company. He had a big property portfolio over in the uk and lee just absolutely ruined everything and did his dad have that though or could that be another part of the fucking scamming no i'm think it's all pretty legitimate so he was in dubai with his dad for 23 years yeah and when he got to jail what was all the shit that you found out for like weeks just his dad told me a lot about him and how like he just lies through his teeth and um that and when it's coming from a dad you sort of start to really believe it because you're like right okay like my dad wouldn't speak badly about me i know that like because you've put videos out when he says out the airport and he needs to go to qatar and i think you've got a video where he's sitting in the car and he's got a hat on and he's pretending to be in the UK sickness yeah like what was those videos why was he doing that because I was in the UK and I was calling his bluff and saying you're not coming like I now know you're not coming why are you lying to me send me your location you know whatsapp call me you know because you have to put your VPN on oh my VPN my VPN's not working I'm like well you don't need to then he would screenshot me a photo and it would still be in Dubai time you know and then I'm like well it's this time in the UK and you're screenshotting me a photo and it's you're in Dubai time but you're telling me that you're in the UK so if you're in the UK come and meet me yeah I uh look everything's there um so uh I'm gonna check out now um Omanair I'm just gonna get my refund issued and see what they'll give me for fucking free but let me check Omanair see what flights are there and uh Virgin and um British Airways okay and uh I'll uh call you later But terminal 2 is where Oman Air is.
1:07:39So I'm gonna go online now. That's why they issued my refund. That just takes one minute It's just the desk behind me in there. So I'm at the business section I just came outside because you know I was using words like you know flight risk and stuff so I love you. I'll sort it. Okay. And then like he'd booked like the Grove Yeah, and he'd say okay look we'll meet at the Grove and then I would start a massive argument and like you know start being like oh you know i've been on your phone looking at this while you're asleep you know i used your facial recognition to get in your phone while you're asleep but you can't do that because my eyes aren't open so i know that you're lying you know and i saw this that and the other you haven't seen anything you're making up stories in your head and now you're making me question myself you know that it was so intense like so like i saw such a bad side towards the end like towards the end it was like it wasn't just mental abuse it did turn physical like physical and what was saying in what way what was he doing to you strangulation just just yeah it was like he he i had him figured out he didn't know what to do like you know he and that's when he used to turn angry so he couldn't manipulate any anymore with his words so you seen through it So only option then is violence Yeah How many times was he married before?
1:09:03From what I'm aware He had one wife that apparently is We do know Russian dignitary And her uncle is the Her uncle is Putin They had private jets It's comical I'm sorry for laughing But it's fucking nuts I have to laugh about it now because like it's not a funny situation to have gone through but when I I'm like I just I have to laugh like you look you can go two ways about it you can really let things affect you which I already done that for years with what I went through or you can say right okay like you were stupid and yeah you went through that but there's so much more to life. so that's why I can see it and actually go right okay like I can't turn back the hands of time you know so I can't turn around and go oh you know that didn't happen like obviously there are parts that have have scarred me in quite a lot of ways like sexually there was a lot of abuse as well like a lot and when i look back at it it makes me really realize actually how bad that part was and how much i turned such a blind eye for the messages that he used to send me and the fact and what he used to do like what to do um it's kind of embarrassing to like admit this but But he wrote out contracts, basically, to say that he was allowed to rape me.
1:10:52And as his wife, you know, he'd say, like, this is a contract from Lee Andrews to my future wife, you know. And, yeah, it's okay to rape you. I don't want to say where, but, yeah. Your house? Yeah, until you're bleeding and crying and screaming and you can't take it anymore. and you will listen and you will obey um what the fuck yeah that's satanic fucking dark shit like that's in any series what sort of contracts yeah like he would just write out and he would be like you should like we we need this in place um so if he did anything then he's got a free pass basically Basically, yeah. And I think, yeah, he messaged about doing things to younger people, males, and paying them hush money.
1:11:58he told me some crazy stories you know how he's been to the royals and drunk baby's blood and you know yeah, Drenochrome yeah, yeah, yeah but yeah, that side of it how true is that with that cunt he's probably just I wouldn't put anything off the cards but how obviously when you see the royals and high up leaders and there's accusations that they drink blood and stuff like that Is he trying to pretend to be in with them? Or is that something he could potentially be doing as well? Because he is full of shit as well. Yeah, you just don't know. That's the thing. But if he's a fucking non-son, he's talking about kids and...
1:12:39But the rape stuff is fucking dark. You know? People have fantasies, people have ink, but that's dark. He used to pay me whilst doing it. So like he would make me get my phone. and the more I wasn't enjoying it but he'd like get your phone and put it in front of you and then like he would transfer me money and then like here's see he'd be like yeah see like how good is it being my wife like you know but he would try and make it into a positive and then he would then want to do it like the next day and the next day because he knows how painful it will be and then he used to get off on it so like the more painful what pretending you were a brass or pretending that you know he was paying for sex pretending everything just yeah all of it yeah he's like it's a fucking monster then yeah you know that's some sick shit yeah was there any times that you didn't want to and he done it yeah that's rape though yeah Have you reported that?
1:13:43Yes. Sorry to hear that, by the way. But that got took to Interpol and then, yeah, it's been... But it's just, the police out in Dubai, it's just... What is the rules over there for women? It's just... I feel like it's just brushed under the carpet a lot. Do you think that's why he could potentially target women there? Because he has got more free passes than he would anywhere else. and yeah. Did he have other fetishes, other sort of kinks that he tried to manipulate you with that seemed normal that weren't? Yes. I'm sorry to ask him, but like what? But just, yeah, there's just a lot of different things.
1:14:28Were you just going with the flow because you thought he made it, he normalized a lot of shit? I guess, yes. And a lot of the time, like I, I knew it was wrong and like I don't even I don't I don't know how to explain why I just turned a blind eye to it or like tried to just ignore it and let that happen I don't I don't I don't know is I I can't it's something that I'm still trying to answer myself what a fucking sick cunt yeah I don't know how dark it it was if I'm honest so I apologise for my ignorance but yeah I just thought he was a scam artist. Yeah and I think that's something that affects me in the media because I do understand that it's a joke but I also do know that he has not just put me through this and he has put others through exactly the same.
1:15:26Like when we were splitting up he started sending me videos of him doing exactly the same to one of his exes like you know and saying, you know, she used to let me do this, that, and the other, and blah, blah, blah, you know. I don't know what he was trying to get out of that, but, yeah. Did they have videos of you as well? No, no. How many vexedums do you think there is? Quite a lot, yeah. I've definitely got confirmation off of, like, three different people about the actions have been very similar. Fuck me man, it's got dark in it. Yeah. I'm having a kind of, not laughing through it, but I'm just thinking some fucking bullshit of scamming people like the fucking crazy Nigerian granddad that everybody gets emails from to send money in.
1:16:19Yeah. But it's a lot more darker than I thought, man. It's, he's a sick fucking individual, deserves to be put down. Yeah. And deserves to be fully exposed, you know? That's exactly what I always say, like, uh, but he just, he just shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets the way that he is when did that start happening into the relationship how far uh i guess we always had like very our sex life was very good and i think it was another thing that drew me in because it was fulfilled in that manner as well and it i am quite like a sexual person so i it's something i actually like really enjoy so um and i guess he sort of tested the water little bits of role play this that the other and like you know and then i think it was sort of yeah it was more towards the end that it got more like this and And, yeah, the last, like, three to four months, I think, were, he used to talk about rape a lot.
1:17:28I'm going to rape you when you get back. I'm going to rape you here. I'm going to rape you there. Like, just you wait. You know, there was a lot of rape talk. Like, if I write rape into my phone, onto WhatsApp, now I see it. but you know like the term is like i didn't it was almost like he tried to normalize it before making it a thing yeah does that make sense so like he's played it down he's trying to yeah yeah so like while we're actually having what i would say was intimacy like and he wouldn't class it as rape so like like but in a message so then i think that's sort of how it maybe not actually talking about now is making me sort of put two and two together like i'm like okay actually yeah that sort of makes sense because when someone's repeatedly telling you that they're going to do that to you when it actually happens you're not fully aware that that's actually because you think that person loves you so it's not yeah like i say love is blind so you you try and do whatever you can for your partner yeah if someone's got a fetish or a kink you think you'll have a little role play but if it's repeatedly and it's trying to normalize something then it becomes a different ballgame.
1:18:41Yes. I've interviewed people who expose human trafficking, what they do to the kids. They get kids to watch porn. They get them to watch the porn. Watch porn first, normalize it, it becomes normal. And then when it happens, it doesn't feel as bad. If he's constantly manipulating that, constantly repeating that in the mind, then you then become desensitized to something that ain't fucking normal. You know, like I say, everybody's got their kinks and fetishes. What do they do in the bedroom? I don't give a fuck. But if it's repeatedly And it's kind of becoming strange and darker Then you have got issues For anybody watching or listening It ain't fucking normal It ain't normal behaviour It ain't normal to accept that behaviour But then when you're so caught up in a loop When you're so caught up in chaos It's hard to see through the smoke It's hard to see through the clouds And I think you can tell By an individual By the way they are in bed I think the darkness and the perversion I think it tells a lot about someone But I think we've become so desensitised With porn for years I think people don't really They can't really separate madness anymore And I think people become so lost in it And I think It's just fucking mad to me And I think Obviously what you've went through is a lot darker And He's obviously going to deny a lot of stuff as well He thinks he's living in a land of luxury And the media And that's what we feel in his ego He's getting everything that he always wanted, which was to be in a public eye.
1:20:09You know, he looks at, I've forgotten his name. Like, even like Trump. What's the bald guy's name that's like? Bezos? No, Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate? Yeah. Like, he's like, yeah, hate. Hate, you know, hate is not a bad thing. You know, if people hate you, you're doing something right in life. But people like Andrew Tate, people do hate him as well. Yeah. But he seems to just be hated You know he's no charisma He's not got anything about him to go Yeah he's on it I would listen to him You know like I've interviewed everyone And I think yeah I don't agree with that I'm friends with the majority of people Who come on my show I don't agree with everything they do Some things I do with but With him there's nothing To say that he's a leader He just looks Fucking dark he looks weird he looks Seedy you know and he's going to defend himself he's going to try and tarnish people he's going to try and defend back you know that even when he put up the screenshots of the money that he'd sent me and you know i treated her so well i meant to send all this money people don't know what that money was for now i just told you like the fake prostitution stuff the rape yeah so how did you get eventually get out the relationship i ran i booked a flight within two two hours i was out of the country like he just went out and I rung my friend absolutely crying my eyes I was I just had to leave that night before it didn't it turned violent volatile it was it wasn't good I stayed up all night he's like trying to make things right he obviously felt very bad about what happened and then he'd turn it on me then and it was like it was like living with two personalities for the night like I he generally does have something very wrong with him he like he switches into different characters constantly like his voice changes and i used to say like even the way that his jaw was shaped used to change i used to know when he was angry like it was like everything just went a bit more square like and like i could just see it and like no no i'm fine you know the tonage of his voices are very like very different and i could tell like by the end i could just tell and i i was really quite frightened of him to towards the end and yeah one that one night it just it just it was icing on the cake for me it was i i just i thought fuck this did i stop talking to him straight away no i didn't i'm very easily admit to that um did he try and drag me back in yes many of times was i tempted sometimes because i got so used to so much chaos that like i didn't really know what to do with myself stockholm syndrome yeah so i'm like i'm sat there thinking like what what like i haven't gone someone on the face time 24 hours when i'm not with them they're not texting me 24 hours when i'm with them everything's gone quiet and i'm sat with my own thoughts and then he's still trying to talk to me and then on the same side he's like oh yeah i'm in monaco i've met this new woman and on this and on that trying to get a retaliation from me i'm sat at home in the uk at this stage, you know, but I ran.
1:23:19I rang my best friend and I said to her, she lived two blocks up, and I said, please, please come and help me. I need to pack my stuff and I need to get the fuck out of here. Like, I just want to go. And, yeah, I just, I done it. I booked a ticket, I got on a flight and I flew home. And, yeah. Did he watch porn? Well, not with me, but yes. A lot of people who watch porn are nutcases. You know, they don't realize the damage that it does. All the psychopaths who become mass murderers and do mad stuff. You know, they were all addicted to porn. There was a documentary about it in America. It spoke about 10 of the biggest serial killers.
1:24:02Everyone was addicted to porn. You don't know what that does. Did he take anything as well when he was... Never. I don't know if they agree, is there any injections or anything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I agree, yes. Because I used to find like empty packets, but he never told me that he took those. But I used to like, we lived in the same bloody house for God's sake. Someone's washing away, you know, going in a sock drawer, like you soon, you know, you can't just hide things from people that you live with, especially if it's just in a sock drawer, you know. So I never asked him though. Was he cheating on you while in this relationship?
1:24:37I don't know but I have had a couple of people come forward and say that while I was in the UK and our apartment was free that they have been around the house but they found him very odd and they didn't sleep with him. Do I believe that they didn't sleep with him? I don't know. I'm not too sure. Did he have a, so he's still got a travel ban? Yes. How many times has he been charged in Dubai? I think he had From what he Told me he had 11 cases Open against him when he came out That's what he had messaged me You know you don't know what I've just been through I've had to basically bribe Three judges and pay them off He got done for like treason And this that and the other So you've left that relationship You've got away with it Do you think you would have just got on with your life And stayed silent Yes.
1:25:34Until then you see him all over the media. It wasn't even him. I was involved in it because the thing that went into the media was a picture of me on the front of the sun and him and Katie and him in exactly the same. And it's like copy paste engagement. So straight away, I woke up in Thailand because I just went there for a three-week holiday just to try and recharge, reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was at a point where I hadn't looked at Lee's profile. I hadn't like that. And even my friends had said, like, you can tell that you're now like free. Yeah, because you're not speaking about him. And then, like I say, I booked a holiday, thought, right, just go reset.
1:26:23And yeah, I was like five days into my holiday. And all of a sudden I woke up because we're six hours ahead. I woke up to like message like I've got a few close friends you know my phone does not go off a lot and I'm like oh my god oh my god like and then I'm like what the fuck like I'm looking I'm on the front of the sun and I'm like what what has gone on like you know and then I'm reading and I'm like like you know and then I now I'm like okay like maybe I should speak up like because yes I was well ready to just be like and I actually said to my friends anyone that gets with him I am like I won't be warning I don't want anything to do with it I literally want out like I don't want anything to do with that man ever again and I as horrible as that sounds like I just didn't want to be involved with him at all and he's obviously got with a public figure um someone famous i don't know how you want to call kate um and i don't think he realized actually how long kate has been in this industry and actually how many people she actually has as fans and not fans but you know people love kate listen i've interviewed that i think she's sound Yeah She's off her fucking head And I would say that to her But She's She's not as stupid as people think You know She has been through a lot Her whole fucking life And I think as well She was stunning back in the day Like she was gorgeous And the industry That industry is very dark And it can destroy people Yeah I think she's also been through A lot of weird relationships Which is probably why She is normalising Lee's behaviour A little bit as well How did they meet?
1:28:17From what I know Instagram She reached out to him No chance But I do not believe that No chance I don't believe that That's something that I can't believe If he's dropped a message on Instagram Somebody's looked at his profile And she's got his profile Yeah He's in private planes He's standing with Elon Musk Yeah He's got a great figure He's looking the part He's no wrinkles Full head of hair Yeah It's easy to buy into it Yeah Because people don't expect people to go that far No So why would you question it? Yes, people can use filters, but the lens that he's went to is a whole different ballgame.
1:28:52I don't know what the words are for him. And he would have researched into her. See, where he got to date me, he could research her. So he could see what her pain points were before even meeting her. So even over text and everything, he would be able to show that affection that he showed me very quickly by me sharing because we were together a lot. Whereas he would just be able to go online You know, Katie Price And he will sit and read that And he will take in everything And he will be everything that she's not used to Which is exactly what she says He's the most perfect person that I've ever been with And he hasn't done anything to me yet So why should I paint him with that brush?
1:29:36I said exactly the same thing But he will have a longer game with her With you, it's not in the public domain With him, he knows he needs to be more strategic so yous are all crazy exes look at her she's all this I've sent her money she's the fucking nutcase and listen everybody's a nutcase in relationships there's times you would have lost your nut where you're saying like okay send me a screenshot this and that like he can then say well she's controlling she's possessive but you're just losing your mind knowing that he's lying just wanting the truth but then it can be twisted and now obviously people are still going to get oh you're just a hater why did you not come out sooner but you're not going to come out sooner because you want to bury something Yeah I was ready to bury that I'm very happy to admit that I was ready to Get that, put that behind me And just move the fuck on Get that out of my head I don't think that would have been good for you though I think in a year's time, two years time You could have been back in the priory Yeah it would have eaten away at me And it was silently eating away at me Anyway like I Have always been seen as such A strong character and a lot of people come to me if they feel like shit and I love that and that's how people know me and people will always know me to be the person that will always fill a cup up because my cup's always half full and that's how even my friends my family everyone knows me as that and I didn't want to be the person that's like dragging everyone down no one really knew anything I was going through I have like one close friend two close friends that know some of it and like knew how bad it was but they didn't want to lose me as a friend so they didn't want to put their input in too much because I'm quite a stubborn person and I like to go off of what I feel and think not off of what someone's trying to tell me.
1:31:30Yeah we always feel as if we know best yeah so if someone's nitpicking at your partner yeah you'll tend to distance yourself from the one who's putting them down because the partner will be saying to get rid of them anyway because someone else sees them for what they are yeah what was it like coming forward then because i don't think you've went in this depth of what you've actually been through but how was it coming forward to then try to shed some light on it but it must also be good for you because people can see that he's a fucking idiot now and that's only for what he's portraying himself to be yeah but it goes more darker especially with the rape stuff especially talking about kids and fucking drinking blood Like he is a fucking Satanist And he is bad to the bone And these people deserve to be exposed And it's not as if it's someone Who's got any credentials It's not as if someone's got any credit Or someone People believe him I always thought it was a bit strange With their relationship And the way it's getting so much media attention I thought it was like some AI thing And then I seen her having a documentary I don't know if it was like All played out like a set up But it just doesn't seem real because of the amount of people on the sun doing TikToks and doing videos and shedding light on it.
1:32:41I'm thinking something's just not right here. And I'd like to think she's not as naive as what people think, but you just don't know. He really does suck you in though. I know she might be clever, but when you do have someone that is picking up on all your pain points and making you feel so loved and wanted, and remember, they're not together as much because she comes back to the UK So that's escapism. So like she goes there, it's like on holiday. She can breathe. Yeah. What about when he then says he took hostage for three weeks and then come back with a hair transplant? I mean, it's just, it's just.
1:33:19Do you think that she believed that? Because I don't know if it was being set up where she may, because she knows how to play the public. She knows how to work the media and make money from the media. So sometimes when you see things, I think it's maybe been set up to make more money, gain more traction. She's maybe paid 20 grand, 50 grand For a story, he's been kidnapped When he just went for a hair transplant Or do you actually think he's told her He's been kidnapped And it's went that far Because it just doesn't seem legit to me It seems all fucking weird You know, and they're not Katie is the media Even though she gets bad press She also owns the media She's got a lot of high profile names That work in there that can promote stories So I just question how that would work Did she actually think that or is she kind of knew that he was going for a hair transplant but maybe let's just put that out there to gain more traction or maybe it's his idea that he said to her to say that I don't know there's so many different ways you can look at it Yeah I don't know it was only on the way up here that I actually saw a video that randomly just popped up on my feeds and it was about how Kate knew all along that he had gone to prison and it wasn't kidnapped because of the timings between two videos that she had done of him being kidnapped and then on the phone to his dad saying that he was in prison.
1:34:38So like, and they had put the timings together and they were like, oh, she knew all along. Because he mentioned a name and a couple of names to say that he was speaking to these people in prison and that's not the truth. He's full of shit. He was never in prison. He was never speaking to those people and I know that for a fact. And when he went to prison last time, they do shave all your hair off. He never had any fucking hair You know what I'm saying He's a baldy cunt He never had any fucking hair So For people to take him As a target and guns And all that shit He's not that high profile You know But then again If he's done all that shit That he's done to you And other people coming forward There's a possibility He has been ripped in For questioning As well But it just seems all messy It seems a lot more sinister That I don't know about And I don't try and keep up with Too much when it comes to them because I also like have realized that it's not very healthy for me and I warned Kate and I I stand by my word like when and if she realizes which I hope nothing bad happens to her like at all and I hope that it doesn't you know get to a stage where like it could damage her more and I hope that she does understand what and who he is I'm sure deep down she couldn't see.
1:35:57Have you spoke to her? No, I spoke to her like when it first kicked off and then I haven't spoken to her. What did she say? At first she was all like, yeah, yeah, I'm a girl's girl and you know, I, yeah, she, she was like thanking me for coming forward and blah blah blah and then within a few days she was back in Dubai with him. Hopefully it doesn't go too far and too deep where damage is done where because you don't know what he's doing behind the scenes you don't know. It seems that he's getting worse and worse because I did see the interview of Kate the other day and like she was saying that she had asked him to stop posting on socials because he's becoming such a joke.
1:36:51And because he put up, did you see the thing about his mental health? No. It's probably another scam, to be honest. He's probably putting up a mental health thing. And then what he'll do is he'll, because he thinks that he's now famous and he probably thinks that he could sue people for being, you know. Affirmation? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. So if he got signed off with mental health, he probably thinks now, oh, well, money. You know. You've been seeing angles how to make money from this. Yeah. Not realizing every partner that Katie Price has, nobody's asked about them, obviously Peter Andre, but every other one, they just become flatlined.
1:37:26Yeah. You don't make it. Yeah. You don't become fucking celebrity and household name. I think he's talked about being on EastEnders and other things and I'm thinking. Oh yeah, well they have like rung EastEnders and never like said that they've never, you know, said about I'm a celebrity, loads of different stuff. It's just delusional. But everything does happen for a reason Even though sometimes it can be fucking dark And sometimes people question Why they go through what they go through And obviously him popping up on social media And I'm not discrediting anything you're saying And hopefully more people come forward And there is convictions And there is It just seems as if this is only the start Of what you have to go through But I feel as if you need to fucking Mentally prepare yourself to watch the come Because I feel as if When this goes out I feel as if a lot more people Are going to come forward with him You know Because it's Like I say You seem legit You seem a nice person Listen you're a little fucked up The same as us all You know We're always searching Sometimes I think I've got it together And other times I look in the mirror And think James you're a fraud You talk a lot of shite Then that's all I do Is talk shite But I feel as if there's going to be A lot more going to come from this And I feel as if You need to prepare yourself But you're in a good place You're looking great And I feel as if It's only going to make you stronger Yeah Because somebody needs to be At the forefront because this ain't normal.
1:38:45Yeah, like I say, I'm very glad that I spoke up just because I know that it's not just one or two people that I've helped. Like there's been thousands of people that have messaged me. Like thousands. Oh, not just from him, but from other things they've been through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And saying thank you so much for coming forward, you know, and how they don't feel like they've been in a normal relationship. And I will never dismiss that now. I can't dismiss anything I interviewed a woman Who was married for 16 years Four kids to the man Do you know when that fucking sex case Was drugging her Every night And having sex with her Like it's She says it wasn't the sex James I would have slept with him Anytime But it's like a sense of power Yeah And then you've got a man Who was drugging his wife And they had other men Coming into the house That was another one of his fetishes Is Xanaxing And Yeah Do you feel as if he could have done that and put something in your drink um i yeah there's a couple of times where he would want me to take it so he can do certain things that's scary babe that's fucking nuts that like that's someone who's completely lost the plot yeah what's the steps then to go forward obviously we don't want to give too much away um but where where does it all go from here is there police involved now or what yeah um there is a case open against him that been given over to Interpol.
1:40:13What is going on there I don't know. I've not long been back in the UK. I have been in contact with the police here but because the crimes weren't done in the UK they actually can't, it's under their jurisdiction is it? Yeah, could that be one of the reasons why he's not coming back to the UK though because he has? No, he's got a V. He wants out. He literally can't. So he's literally travel banned. Yeah. Why is he not in prison then in Dubai? Because you bounce a check in Dubai, you can go to jail. Yes. So with all the fraud and all the scamming and all the other stuff. This is where it gets a little bit confusing because you're like, okay, he must know someone or have some sort of money that he is paying to keep himself out.
1:41:01Because you can get out, you can pay to get out on anything. You can pay blood money. you know that's that's just how the law is over there how are you feeling for older uh i'm good because i'm trying to put my energy into now helping people with i've gone through so much in my life like if i can help a few people um i'm starting a few charity events um i've i've got a not coming up which is really really exciting um and i've opened a um a retreat company over in iceland how can people get involved with that for anybody that's wanting a sort of retreat reset kind of yeah so we do give away free spaces as well um just a couple um just more for those people that really are going through stuff that we can try and help um but i am doing some charity events that are coming up over the next few weeks which will be on my socials um and i am partnering with another charity as well um which is similar which will be really really cool um and yeah you can get involved by by going on the instagrams and and taking a little look and you do an application but it's it's amazing and i'm trying to filter into different different charities so they can come forward and help more people because i've can i can be an open ear but i can't advise so and i'm very happy for people to message and you know if they're going through something because that's something that's pushed me through this is that I now know I'm not the only one and it made me feel less silly because you can feel you know you can feel stupid you can feel like an idiot like I still do like I don't like I laugh like I say I laugh but I have to laugh because like you know what else what else do you do yeah and it is when you think about it like you think shit how naive well if I was but when you understand what you actually went through and it's no laughing matter.
1:43:14Yeah. I laugh through mad shit and laugh and I think I shouldn't be laughing but that's the only way I survive. Yeah. You know, it's the only way you can get through things. When was the last time you actually spoke to him? Did he try and reach out when you came forward? Yeah. Yeah, him and Kate sent me a video together. Basically trying to shut me up and she said something that he had mentioned to me and he went very awkward because he had obviously turned it to say to make Kate think that I was the person that had said about doing that so he's obviously made me look like a very odd person when actually it's him and then like when she said it he's like yeah yeah I think that's it now you know getting all you know twitchy and but yeah that was the last that I heard from him Yeah hopefully But it's sort of like An intimidation thing You know Trying to basically Silence you Yeah Yeah but fuck them And it's not her Because if he's doing The exact same What he's done to you With all the fakery Trust me I used to do that Like with his exes I was like no Like I wasn't I wasn't listening And what about The budge thing When you're seeing her Getting engaged in the budge Like what are you thinking It's the same set up Same roses Same shit Psychopath It's just and I just that's one thing that I was a bit like oh if someone had done that to me that would just become so unspecial like and it was only 16 weeks beforehand I'd just be like you would just be a bit like what the fuck and what about the people who think you're a bit of an ex and jealous fuck them I tell you there's no fuck ought to be jealous about you like at the end of the day I left him I left I ran there's no bitterness in me the man's an absolute vile creature he's a waste of oxygen and he will be dealt with however the universe feels to treat him and his time will come and when it does everyone will see like they are already seeing and like how a lot of people have already eaten their words and they're probably sitting there thinking wow i actually abused that girl i actually sent her a really horrible message I you know and I did I received some absolutely terrible messages disgusting you know people taking time out of their day you know oh why are you doing this you want the clout no it's not because I want clout if you come and look at my phone and go through the messages that people have sent me the fact that they're going through the same thing no like if I can do something to try and help those people now yes of course I'm gonna do that I'd be sick not to you know like now it's changed my perspective because I used to be one of them people that I would look at a bad relationship and I'd go, don't really feel sorry for her because she didn't get herself out of it.
1:46:09Now I get it. So like, and now I understand how much this has actually helped people. Like it's wild. Like not just women, men. And like if I can do, if I can help someone from taking their own life because that's what it ends up for someone end up getting killed by their partner or beaten daily or raped or you know and trying to think that it's correct because they're telling you and they're making it seem correct if I can help people through that then why wouldn't I like that's now I feel like that's my mission in life and maybe that's why what happened to me has happened because I am that person and I've always been very compassionate and I've always been a bit of a helper and I love, I worked in an end of life unit for two years and it was like one of my favourite jobs because I was helping people and I feel like, I said to my mum years ago, I feel like I got put on this path not to enjoy it that much myself but it's to help people.
1:47:15Is it Muslim? Well, he said that he turned Muslim for his ex but again... Was he not trying to get the four wives or anything, try to get you married? Was he not trying to get you Muslim? Yes, all the time. He was always trying to get me married but I said to him the only way that I'd get married is in the UK, I would never get married in Dubai. That could have been a game changer for you if you got married there. Yes. Because is there any laws of rape or anything there If your husband rapes you What is the laws? No It used to be here that you could It's even hard to try and say that When you're with someone Like when you go to a police station And you're like yeah he's my partner But he's been doing X, Y and Z You feel like an idiot And did you go to the coppers?
1:48:04Yes What'd they say? Not over there though Oh yeah I couldn't physically physically I couldn't get away from Lee for 10 minutes and if I was, he was on FaceTime. Like he was breathing down my neck. When I booked flights to come home, I actually wouldn't tell him that I booked the flights and I'd wait until I went out and then I'd book the flights and I'd quickly go and get on the flight and I'd tell him that I was going home because I was that scared that he would make me stay. So there's always that element of doubt and like why I stayed, I don't know, like I could say, there's still things that I'm trying to figure out myself.
1:48:40Is there a potential he could have killed you at the end up? I truly believe that he has that in him and that could happen, yes. Does he take steroids? Yes. Yeah. And he told me that he hadn't and I told him that if he did, because his ex told me that make sure that he's not on steroids because it gets 10 times worse, everything will get worse. and when he went to prison again i obviously started because he had told me that he needed money to get out so he told me that he had this amount in this drawer and obviously i never look like i'm not like we're together so it's not something that i'm gonna go and look for like i'm not gonna be like oh there's this is the house i'll double check that it's there you know if he says this is in the house and this is where it is i have no reason to want to look yeah so but yeah when i when he did go to prison i looked at everything i looked for his phone that was left um you know i looked through the cupboards i that's when you know i saw you know all the viagras testosterone everything you know and yeah like everything he told me that he didn't do he done and then the money that he said that he left there was none there was nothing you know Did you have many videos of partners you'd been with?
1:50:00I definitely know there was quite a lot of videos of one of them. Has that girl ever came forward? Have you ever spoke to her? I have spoken to her, yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah, good. Because I feel as if it's easier when there's been so many different people involved. Because it can be shameful, it can be embarrassing if you think it's only them. Yeah. But when there's different people coming forward, then that's a different ballgame. And like you say, it happens not just to women, but men. We're living in a generation of fucking degenerates. And people are becoming so fucking far lost. And I don't have all the answers, but I genuinely think porn and social media, they're free for a reason.
1:50:41Because it's damaging the minds. It's total chaos in the minds. And we're becoming so manipulated. The brain is the most powerful instrument on this planet. And we use it backwards. I was exposed to porn for like 19 years old. You're exposed to stuff that you think is free, and that's what you should be doing. But when you look up about semen retention and other things, you start to understand shit man, this stuff gives me power, this gives me energy, it gives me strength. And we're so backwards. And we feel as if when you're in a relationship, everything should be sexual because that's how you express love.
1:51:13It's all backwards. There's the lack of connection, it's a lack of intimacy, it's everything that goes missing with it. And like I said, I don't have all the answers, But listening to your story Listen I don't take sides But I feel as if I'm siding with you But I feel as if he is bad I watch him and I think nah he's shifty But listen I could be wrong You could be in here and there's a crazy ex But everything just points to everything you're saying is legit If I'm honest And there's always three sides to the tail And I understand that as well Like you don't know what people are But just when I watch him When I see him I think Emma shouldn't judge books by its cover But you can judge that cunt You know you can see the shiftingness You can see the lies And there's a lot more stuff to it And listen I don't want more people coming forward But I feel as if there will be Because you're hoping it's not true But it shows you that we're living amongst And who is out there With the lies and deceit and everything The fakeness that comes with it And remember like It can I think that's what That's what I was mostly wary about is like, you know, people can say, oh, you know, why didn't you leave when you knew that it was this wrong?
1:52:31And that's something that I don't have the answer for. I don't think you ever get the answer because that wife of 16 years started to understand that there was something not right. And then she OD'd, she tried to take her own life. And then he still raped her while the ambulance was coming. And she was ODing. he still raped her and he told her listen when you die i'm still going to have sex with you one or rape one more time when she dies like he was still going to fucking rape the like madness so people can understand people it's easy to throw the comments out there to say why didn't you leave you silly cunt like fucking hell but it's difficult when there's so many different avenues to take care of because you think you're going crazy you don't think you're going crazy yet but he follows up with that so maybe it is meets the problem so there's so much discussion within your own mind this woman like i say 60 years where the manipulation narcissism and psychotic behavior actually comes in and it takes such a toll on you because like you say i i did end up questioning myself a few times like very much so and you do but that goes for anyone no matter sometimes it may take a year five years ten years 20 years the truth always comes to the top yeah and that's what I always need to keep remembering as well because there's bad in all genders, there's fucking some mad shit and people trying with men as well, when stuff gets says, men aren't automatically on the back foot anyway but there just seems a lot more to this story, there seems to be a lot more out, so listen, first of all brave to come forward, especially a platform like this as well that it will be scrutinised, people will support you but people will speak shit as well, which is understandable, people are allowed an opinion he's allowed his opinion but I think the more he speaks I think it more benefits you because then people can see that there's something not right but people fucking love Katie they love her and rightly so listen she's done amazing I don't think she looks too well then I think all this slimming stuff and it doesn't look good on people I think you can see it with the sort of cheekbones and turning into skeletons these people but that's her own problems and her own demons you know what I'm saying I just hopefully she sees light before it gets too dark but she's not one to be fucked with either because anything that ever happened to her she would go she would go full fucking commando she would go full metal jacket and just expose it as well you know and maybe it's something that god has put whatever the universe has put Kate in this man's life to then heighten his madness and bring more light to his madness because she ain't a fucking idiot either like she would she's exposed every ex I don't think there's one man that's come into her life that she ever spoke highly of that's where I'm glad that I did come forward because like otherwise
1:55:25Yeah, none of this would, to be honest, even the engagement, it wouldn't have even been a thing. Like it would have just been a thing for five days in the news and then it probably would have quietened down. But even if you didn't come forward and something happened to her, people would have gave you shit for not coming forward. So no matter what, you can't win, but what you must do is remain strong. But you've been through ups and downs, you've been through a mad shit in your life. and that just makes us more we become scarred but we never overcome the scars which kind of it does make us more stronger more we're more switched on and I think like when I when I feel my most confident is like if I go back through and I actually look at the messages and I'm like you've not got a leg to stand on there's no more power over you anymore when you can look at it and think and you can try and threaten you can try and put up posts to make me look like the bad person but just remember remember what's on that phone remember what you said you know stay humble because yeah that's cool yeah it will come back to you do you have his voice notes in that do you have everything that's a godsend in itself yeah and trust me it backed up on about five different like having the receipts is important very because it then gives you credibility yeah which is important because they will if she loves him she's going to defend him as well yeah and like i say she has a lot of power it's where they're digging up your past and then before you know there's negative stories in you because that's what they try and do to unleash your name drag you through the mud take away your credibility like i've dealt with the media and i know how they operate the cunts and there's shit that says about me and it's not true and that's okay as well because i know the truth always comes out so the people who did speak shit i just hope they have the same energy when the truth comes out and that's the most important thing because we've all still got a bit of ego yeah and i think listen i I can't remember when you says that because I have to sit back, you know, because of my platform, there's certain things you can end up getting remanded in prison because if you speak forward, because of the sort of platform, but when truth comes out, you go, okay, where's your energy now, you cunt?
1:57:27Because I'm not one to forget. I don't forgive either. I try and forget, but I don't fucking forgive. You know what I'm saying? All this forgive and forget gay shit. I ain't down for that anymore. I was going through a spiritual path back in the day and it made us more enlightened and trying to be humble, this and that. Listen, fuck all that. I've no time for that shit anymore If you're a cunt You're a cunt You know what I'm saying I ain't forgiving what you've done Because you've pre-planned that You've planned something To go against me You've tried to look for my weaknesses To try and fuck me over I ain't forgiving you You cunt I'll forget you But I'll never forgive you And I'm very well Spiritually connected as well And anybody who tries to fuck me over It always comes back And bites on my ass For fucking many years I'm exactly the same as you there Like I'm all about What you put in Is what you will get back So like And I ain't a fucking saint either Do you know what I'm saying I'll tell people to fuck off Listen you're a cunt yet to fuck Like I ain't some dickhead That's going to accept either But On the other hand I'm still a soft cunt as well sometimes But I'm at the stage where I ain't going to take any shit Because I think Well fuck all this woo woo shit It's good to sit in silence It's good to meditate It's good to then Be in tune with one And fucking hugging trees And walking barefoot But Life is life There's a lot of demonic individuals on this planet Who need to be Fucking Heads cut off They need to be Paedophiles Rapists They need to be gone And if the only way that is Is to end their life You know, death penalty That's the only way they can't re-offend Death penalty Harm a child, death penalty Simple as that Because the world is becoming more sicker And it's becoming more normalised And they're trying to bring down the laws of fucking Like how the fuck have we got child marriages?
1:59:01How is that possible? How is that a law? Kids at nine That's paedophilia You know And I don't give a fuck the religions or the belief You're trying to brainwash yourself into believing it's a book yeah like i'm all for religion and if you get religious and you want to believe in something good on you yeah but the way i see from the bible the quran the harry potter book is a book yeah you only believe it because you're believing in it in the psyche and going yep that makes sense and if you want to do good there's plenty good muslims and christians but there's a lot of demonic stuff in these religions and i think we need to take away with the divide there's so much of it from left and right and male and female gay and straight black and white christian muslims and It's all finger pointing and blaming each other instead of working together because this is the fight between good and evil.
1:59:46And we need to expose everything that's bad. Listen, people make mistakes. I've interviewed murderers who have changed their life. I've interviewed drug lords who have changed their life. People can change, but harming a child, the mindset can't be changed. You know what I'm saying? There needs to be more things put in place to put them on an island. Everybody needs to know, like being fucking microchipped or whatever it is to know their location. People need to know their whereabouts. And if they get killed, they get killed. what can you do yeah you know i think you should be classed as a hero if you take away a pedophile and that's just the way i'm like it's just becoming so dark and i think to myself like the stories i'm hearing that's why i ran like if people say to me oh like do you want children like the answer is no not because i don't want children because i don't want to have the worry of having a child these days it's scary it's worrying like not just bullying you got the pedophiles you can't just go out on the road and just play like you used to you know you're you're constantly looking over your shoulder it's a constant it's a constant worry nursery teachers school teachers male and female yeah and i think everybody should be put under a polygraph test just when they're working with kids priests scouts football coaches and i'm not tearing down people who are listening or watching what i work with kids who love kids you know i'm saying i've always dreamed of being a football manager and you've always got a sick one that like yeah it only takes one do you know what i'm saying and the karate coach or whoever it's the perfect place to be to be demonic you know and have your wicked way and i just feel as if there needs to be more protection and there's some like i say some great coaches some great people who work with kids who maybe want to be a football coach their whole life but just don't manage their under 10s team listen people get goodness of their heart because their son plays or their daughter plays but you've still got to be questioned yeah because of the way the world is going and i feel as if i I don't know if it's always been like this.
2:01:37I know Germany was bad in the 30s and 40s. I think they had their first transgenre. But then again, you don't know how long the planet's been here. You don't know how long humans have been here. You don't know how long if we're devolving. You don't know. We don't know. You know, we might have our own opinion on it, but we genuinely don't know what was here a thousand years ago, two thousand years ago. Was it cavemen or was people more advanced? But I feel as if there needs to be a great reset. Yes. Like I say, I'm just waffling now, but sometimes you have to get shut off your chest because it becomes confusing confusion yeah confusing yeah yeah you know yeah but how are you feeling today yeah i'm feeling good i feel like it's been a nice chat and yeah i look at these as like almost it's like therapy in a way i guess because i don't actually talk about things that much like and if i if i do again it's like oh you're so strong and like people telling me that I'm strong but and it's nice to hear but on a daily people don't understand what you go for through like here so as much as what people see of me doesn't particularly mean that I'm every day like I'm getting up and I feel great about the situation and I'm just outing this and doing this and blah blah blah like I have feelings and emotions and how do you then trust a man your first partner you loved took his life this fucking eight turners a demon like how do you then learn to trust how do you then put faith and humanity everybody with the same brush so that's it's a blessing and a curse because not everyone's the same so you can just learn and unfortunately like unfortunately but Unfortunately, I just have a mindset just that, okay, just because he's done that does not mean that another person is going to be doing the same thing.
2:03:31But I just have to pick better. But it just makes you more paranoid, though. The levels that people go to in life. And it's a great way to think that not everybody's the same, but it's difficult to then overcome it without making you different from the next relationship, you know, making you more colder, making you more... I'm definitely like in my masculine energy when it comes to meeting someone like because I I'm like right it's like I have to and I have to really get to like I want to I've done this dating show just now and like it's all well and good and it's just been a little bit of like a bit of a bubbly laugh and like I've just got it's 20 minute dates online and it's been on love talk but it's and people are you know maybe shoot a lot but it's just been nice for me just to talk to people and see how I'm going to be.
2:04:21I react to certain things and to see how my brain is like working with what they're saying and whether it's actually getting to me or whether I'm you know I was sort of just a test and water myself to go okay actually that was a really good conversation or oh I can see traits in Lee or you know I can see you know I've sort of done it as like a bit of a experiment for myself you know to see whether I feel like that because am I scared of going dating yes am I scared of falling in love yes because the only two people that I've ever loved is those two people and one obviously was the kindest most beautiful human ever and the other one pretended to be that person to make me fall in love and ended up you know being everything that you can you don't want in life and shouldn't happen so like yeah i am it is very nerve-wracking and but this week has sort of shown me and i've been on four dates in four days online and it's nice because it's in the safety of your home so like you're just having a tiktok lives date it's so random but like i like it i love it because unlike you know celebs go dating and bits like that you know and all this love island And it's so edited.
2:05:44Whereas this is just like, I could literally just say, I don't like what you're saying. I don't want to talk to you anymore. And like, everyone will be able to see that. Did he have kids? No. Yeah, just as well then. No. No. Apparently he had the snip, but apparently he's trying for a baby with Kate. So I don't think that works. Yeah, he just don't fucking know. But listen, you are brave. And just keep going. You clearly got it about you that you can keep going And he's made a mistake From doing what he's done to you And I think it will come to the forefront It might not be Straight away but you just must keep Strong with it you know How can people get in contact with you if they want to ask you questions Or maybe share stories They can go through my Instagram Which is Lana Percival And then you've got Reps Retreat as well which if anyone's like going through some stuff and they feel like they need to have be reborn like i was in a sweat lodge it goes a long way and to have a good network around you then that that will be starting in august so um yeah like i'd love to hear from more people and And I don't dismiss anyone that comes forward because, yeah, don't feel embarrassed.
2:07:08And we're all, it's a hard one to say, but like, yeah, it's not, you're not stupid. Like as much as you, I feel stupid sometimes, but like, you're not stupid at the end of the day. Like this is, it's a pattern. And unfortunately we get pulled into it. it's easier than what you think to leave but listen first of all thanks for coming on today being brave anything you need i'm here just keep going and yeah whatever you're doing is working now so just keep keep improving keep pushing and yeah keep remaining strong which is going to be important i think so yeah i wish you nothing but the best for the future thank you god bless appreciate you
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Anything Goes with James English Ep 560
Katie Price's Husband Lee Andrews Exposed - Ex Alana Percival Tells All
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