Luke Mitchell Is Innocent (Part 4 ) Detective Scott Forbes New Evidence

46:46no, no, but she was stripped naked the media told you about the condom it wasn't a sexual crime of course it's a sexual crime listen, she's stripped naked, her hands are tied around her back right? and her trousers are soaked in blood I think from the wound here James, somebody went back and dressed out of you lassie Jodie, the MO sorry for digressing but when you start Jodie was dragged about with the hair and punched and kicked first and foremost right she was then strangled rendered unconscious and then somebody butchered her and I use that word no likely right Joseph Jones' MO was dragging his sisters both his sisters with the hair and punching him and all his statements for the family members are all telling you he ragdolled her or he swung her about with the hair well Jodie was swung about with the hair so it's awesome that didn't mean he definitely killed her that's only my opinion but it was something that should have been looped at it but the guy who talks about the animals and that as well oh listen Mark Kane and they were all pals ah listen they were all hash smokers and they were all the same thing isn't it and what about the confession did somebody not walk into the cop shop and give a confession allegedly I never put it in my book and people ask me that allegedly Joseph Jones walked into Dalkey Police Station and they gave a confession about how he killed Jodie but because he was psychotic at the time they never took it serious but if Joseph Jones walked in there more straight and gave a confession it would chase him James the case is closed why have they never gave a re-trial yeah that's something that we're trying you would have to find new evidence and here's there's a test for new fresh evidence right and the legal test is it was not available to the defence at the time of trial right now when we found the medical records to me it's a smoking gun when you read his medical records I'll show you after this his violence and all and what the medical records are saying about him but what somebody in the medical team and the only reason I can say this or I believe this Luke Mitchell's lawyers never requested him when you're a lawyer and you want to see medical records you write to the medical board or government and you say I want James English's medical records and if they didn't get them, you can fight and you end up getting them.

49:12Nobody wrote the letters, right? Or they're certainly not in the files. But somebody sent medical records to Luke Mitchell's lawyers. Now, the reason we know that is because they're not photocopies, they're originals. Now, who's got access to original? I think somebody in that medical team have realised, wait a minute here, you just have to really know about this. And what Luke Mitchell's lawyer did is opened up the envelope, seeing whose medical records they are, I put him back in the envelope without reading them and threw him away and put him away at the bottom of the box. And it's like 10 years later we were reading medical records.

49:46What's that? It's Joseph's medical records. And you start reading them further and you think, what? But you can't even go back and see this is fresh evidence because we're available at the time of trial. The only thing is... But somebody must have stopped that evidence for appearing. Who would do that? Luke Mitchell's lawyers. Why? I don't know. My laziness. because Turnbull was on for the Turnbull was the advocate deputy and he's one of the top boys in Scotland he's ruthless with sentencing he was ruthless as a listen I'll just say this on record because I haven't had to lose any more Lady Scott Maggie Scott Coushey now Lady Scott was Luke Mitchell's Coushey at the time the last time they put in an application to the Scots Criminal Case Review Commission by the way they tell you they people are independent James that's not true they're the Crown and I'll tell you why she wanted to overturn every conviction that Tumble ever had because she disagreed with these methods right, Luke Mitchell and Al McGrackie are two of the most famous they're the worst two miscarriages of justice and Scottish legalists Joe Steele and Tommy Campbell are up there but Lockerbie's the biggest and Luke Mitchell's a wee 14 year old boy which makes it probably the worst she wanted to overturn both the convictions, she was a lawyer for Luke and for Alan McGrackie she's now Lady Scott once you're Lady Scott you can thereafter can you get involved in trying to overturn convictions whether that's all people conspiracy conspiracy is just fact about 10 10-12 weeks ago I got a phone call to a police person come and come and have a look Scott and then he tells us Channel 5 where that programme the first thing they done started destroying all the evidence I said what nah you've been serious and he said nah deadly serious crime squad based in Livingston got all the productions signed off for the crown coincidentally the Lord Advocate is married to Alan Timble she says the crown signed off all the productions and all the evidence in the Luke Mitchell trial and the serious crime squad for Livingston drive it to Fettys and pick them up in a van and started destroying them so we now have a QC Roddy Durnop it's the first time I've told anybody's name Roddy Dunlop was willing to represent Luke Mitchell pro bono if we couldn't get legal aid we got legal aid and he writes to the Crown and he asks them is this true?

52:18Have you been destroying evidence? and he says yes Why? Only the police the Crown are admitting it they've given it to the police to destroy it and in the last paragraph roughly word for word is there please don't give us a guarantee that you'll no raise litigation against us. Imagine it was all a cover-up. Imagine the coppers did know for the start instead of being a fuck-up. Imagine they'd just try to cover it up. But again, if this is one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in Scotland, imagine how many others have been fucking through in jail. Because I've interviewed many of them. People who serve 20-odd years for crimes they didn't commit.

52:53This shit goes on relentlessly. Not all coppers are bad. It's like anything. There's good and bad and there's some decent coppers that I've interviewed. I've interviewed a few and they're sound, man. There's some fucking ruthless bastards so he would do anything to try and get top of the ladder and whether that's throwing a 14 year old under the bus is a different story Craig Dobie retired after Craig Dobie was a a drug squad officer in Leaf in the city first Dalkeith's a different ball game sounds like a fucking zoo that's a group that's rough they disrespect 100 % listen them sound wild there's jokes there's jokes here that you have to be married to your cousin you've got a hoose hair and that right and the the guy John Ferris It's one of the moped boys.

53:35That's what they call them, the moped boys at the week. He's allegedly got a daughter to his half-sister. And on the night of the murder, his half-sister and his mother are burning clothes. Right. So the policeman, sorry for digressing. That's what I do. The policeman comes to me all these weeks ago and he tells us about the destruction and everything. So we write to the Crown. The Crown come back and say, yes, definitely, the police have been doing that and they'll stop. So now we've asked, what have you destroyed and what have you got left? now scrapings for underneath Jodie's nails we think they're destroyed but they were there they've been hidden for us right a Green Parker coat taken under a search warrant hidden for the defence Craig Dovey told the High Court there was no search once apart from Mitchell and his family that in itself tells you something they never search to anybody apart from Luke his dad's and his mum's business but that's a lie they went to Luke Mitchell's pa and took a Green Parker oh it gets worse Jodie's psychological reports nobody had ever seen them or ever heard them but police have worked with productions but hid them and the man's telling me different stories you know he says just for you Scott I say aye aye when I took Mark Kane to the police James at the time 2003 this is 20 years ago I was a different man I'd been in prison and all that served 5 years and you know and talking to the police was something my pal still didn't agree with you know irrespective of it's a wee girl I know right I took I'd done what I'd done and I'm alright with her when I took Mark Kane to the police I had discussions with Mark Kane and I said to him Mark fuck it looks bad and he said you know worse I said what I wrote essays I said what do you mean you wrote essays Mark he said I wrote essays about killing a woman in the woods I said what for fuck this is me and him walking and I said are you having a laugh and he said no squad I wrote essays about killing a woman in the woods this is looking bad the boy couldn't remember where he was when he did the murder he's no scratches, he's fully valium methadone, speed, lager and smoking hash and he's generally a weird boy I quite pond him, he's a very intelligent lad as well but he was weird and he's telling me about his asses I think I'm like the police go into the appeal court and they tell the appeal court no such asses exist, Forbes is a liar I'm like what?

55:58the copper says to me 10 weeks ago there's your asses there Paul 20 years later 19 years later But can you get easily discredited because you've been in a jail? Aye aye Listen do you know what he says me and him are going to I tell him to play along we were only going to get 50 grand can you get 50 quid for a story right he gave a statement saying that has never been said James there's no money ever been I've never done nothing for money anybody who knows me tells you when I was young I was raj but never for money I'm not saying I never got money but never the thing so they discredited me aye he's an ex-con and he's this and he's that and the S's don't exist ah well 10 weeks ago these S's have been missing since 2005 there's a man showing me the two S's and the name of them is called No Remorse and it's about a junkie killing a woman in the woods hidden for the defence hidden for the defence but it's still hard to pinpoint why all that shit would be hidden what's the purpose of it?

56:56I just think they made that much of a mess listen there's a lot of people what was what did they have against Luke to get a conviction because you must have something purely circumstantial he's weird missing knives he had a fascination for knives James and I've made a mistake I was going to bring it to Dave for now Lou Mitchell had a what they called a missing knife that's another thing that the policeman showed me there's no missing knife they took swabs off it there's an hard missing knife found in a skip there's that much a man phoned me when I'm writing that book he says Scott are you ever aware of a big bow of knife that was found I said no where where where Jodie's murdered half a mile away probably there's garages James right but you could drive up and down this road and you would never know these garages existed unless you knew they were there right the man anyway they're all them farm workshops spray shops mechanics and they were all into stock car racing Joseph Jones Ferris Luke Mitchell's brother the whole lot of them used these garages this mechanic finds a bowie knife inside the skip with the tip missing he sees a couple anyway I didn't put it in the book because I couldn't get corroborated but he describes the bowie knife brilliant to me quite a similar description to what people told me Joseph carried in he says whack, whack, whack that might be a different there's hundreds of bowie knives right but then so I couldn't get corroboration and I phone up a man and the man says to me oh no Scott it wasn't a big bow of knife it was a stupid wee yellow handled thing I says what do you mean?

58:37He says well my son 14 found it with him and the cops pick the 14 year old lad he up from school drive him home but tell him in the car that knife he found son nah it's just a cheap thing a mechanic took a window out of the car and broke it and just threw it away so that the boy just forgot about the knife and then all year later he gets a phone call from me and he says nah listen that's not true it was just a cheap thing so I go back to the mechanic and I said nah your pal that found the knife he's telling me it's a cheap thing his words to me was didn't talk shite he said I'm a mechanic he's got no tools he said was that good I googled it in 2003 and it was over£100 I'm thinking but what do I do with this anyway about 10, 6, 7, 8 weeks ago a witness goes to John Salins you know the policeman that were in Channel 5 they went to him and they went on tape they found it about he so we'll go to corroborated witnesses on tape found a large bowie knife in the skip covered in blood.

59:31There's a man seen running away, John Ferris, I believe it was, running towards his garages. Joseph Jones, he's a garages, he's Ferris, he's a garages. And the knife's in police custody and he took swabs for it, but he never tested it. And I only found this out 10 weeks ago. A policeman with a conscience, shall we say, a police person with a conscience. Scott, you want to come and have a look at this? Do you think that was a murder weapon? I think, or if no, it's something like that. At ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. You wouldn't do that early morning cardio if you didn't. So the fact that your annual physical is overdue just shows how hard it can be to get seen by a doctor.

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1:00:49Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Thank you. It's just mad to try and piece it all together. Like I say, it looks innocent. I'm not a detective, but with information I've got and even the stuff that I can't speak online now because I don't want to jeopardise any retrial in any case, but the boy's innocent. A 14-year-old boy was convicted of murdering a 14-year-old boy's moz. Life was turned upside down. His brothers went fucked off and rightly so. The pressure they must have under. His poor moz was terrorised. All her caravans burnt down. The poor woman was living homeless.

1:01:25the brother leaves the house one day sorry pa that's alright and then there's that much listen see when you start the brother leaves the home one day right he's 19 I think at the time 19, 20 he's never been in trouble before right he's not a shy boy he's into his bikes and his car and his stock he's like a boy I'm not 20 year old he leaves the home one day and he sees a police like block 8 no he thinks it's for insurance or tax you know how they set up roadblocks it's for him he's driving to his work minding his own business dragged out the car handcuffed to the police station fuck in the interviews were that bad against Luke Mitchell and his brother, the High Court says there were interrogations a 14 year old boy who was interrogated but they allowed it then he says to Shane Mitchell they made him a pervert in the course of justice and then dropped the charges which is not a normal procedure at court and the High Court Judge Nimmo Smith says to him, he allowed the questioning because he was not a suspect see if he had kept the charges pervert in the course of justice the questioning would have been inadmissible but because he dropped the charges they allowed his questioning and the question is how many fucking wanks did you have had would you watch porn when your brother's in the house so yes and no answers then his alibi Luke Mitchell's alibi was ripped what was Luke Mitchell's alibi none listen it was that nonchalant come on anybody that knows crime if you do something wrong you've got an alibi or you've got something in your mind the brother said he'd come home from work he didn't he when his first statement I always go with the first statement me personally listen I remember I can't even remember the name of it but they reckon once you go into five and six statements it all gets changed after time you get influenced and all that always read the first statement Shane Mitchell's first statement is when he came in from work he wasn't sure if Luke was in the house Luke says he's in the kitchen and his brother was upstairs and he was cooking for his mum and I don't know it was just it was a silly alibi Why are you allowed to change statements?

1:03:15Well that's a good question James isn't it that's a good question and anyway listen Jodie Jones his granny I'll say this on record I've seen it a few times I never held back Jodie Jones Jodie Jones grandmother she would have been charged by pervert in the course of justice she threatened crown witnesses I hear her grandson she washed clothes right Judith Jones Jodie's mum I wouldn't have charged her because of the nature right and her alibi in that James for her son oh Jesus listen listen her statement first reads she's owned large vodkas I'm not slagging her people say you're slagging I'm just telling just telling her how it is.

1:03:55She's on Lars Vodkas for 12 o 'clock that day, right? Jodie's found she 11 at night so 12, 11 hours you're on the pussy. And four or five days later people mention the stocky man. Oh, oh. She's just saying the memory is incredible. For somebody being on the drink she could tell her how long she'd been cooking pasta and it wasn't ready so we had to get in our two minutes. They'd never even cook pasta that day. They got a chip they delivered. I know that through my own investigation and Joseph was upstairs never left the house nobody seen Joseph Jones nobody seen him he was upstairs in the bedroom lying sleeping and the mum says I knew he was there because I could hear him but he's saying I've been smoking that many bucket bongs I was lying sleeping the whole thing James honestly the whole thing I laugh sometimes because the whole thing me and Luke Mitchell didn't kill that wee girl what about the the Jones family like I said there's still an innocent girl being killed at what about if they ever I don't want it all to be one-sided but people always say oh it seems one-sided but it's been all one-sided against Luke for nearly 20 years this is only this time this boy's had a voice so it's not really it's been one-sided but I've had yourself now as the fourth part of the Luke Mitchell case but I'm happy to have somebody from the Jones side to come on and have their say but nobody's ever came forward I've never heard them get an interview I've never heard anybody back it listen maybe they just want to put it to bed and forget about it.

1:05:23But there's so much unanswered questions. Well, James, there's two things here. Just when the family, see the night they found the body, they're walking up the path. Janine Jones, Jodie's sister, sits there with her boyfriend. Was she naked? Why would you ask that question? She didn't know how Jodie had been killed. Jodie could have fell through a tree and banged her head. She could have hung herself with suicides in the family. Was she naked? That's always sort of trouble with me, do you know, right? The second thing is, what you're saying is spot on. They want to dignify silence, but that's not true.

1:05:52the family spokesperson shall we call her right Agnes with the Polish surname she'd been bullying and harassing people for 20 years see anybody who speaks suit Agnes goes to the papers along with her pal Jane Ammon and bully them so why does she not come and speak she'd been very vocal over 20 years not that long ago she was a Tory councillor I think from Stirling or Falker she'd done she sent a tweet or something I support this case as a miscarriage justice next thing daily record Jane Hamilton along with Jodie Zanney very vocal you've got no right saying that and all this and the woman had to retract her statement so if they're vocal attacking people why not be vocal come and sit here with you or anybody else put all the answers that you're saying in the last three podcasts put it to bed have you said I'm not just all one sided but with the information I have I've still got to give the boy a voice because it's all been for nearly 20 years all against him the weird dough the weird music taste the drinking his own pee like the kissing his mumma and all that mad shit that I don't have all the answers but what you have got is the proof to say there was no evidence against the boy to get a conviction of the killing of Jodie Jones James I'm from that area Dal Keefe I'm born now my dad's a psyching coal miner right and I know how quick gossip come on it's like a scheme you tell somebody right now folks you're now involving somebody listen there's a policeman now do you ever see the Sky interview with Luke Mitchell and his mum.

1:07:22She's playing Miseric. Ah, yeah. And Ian Stevens, who I worked with in the miscarriage, he just has come out, oh, listen, he's having a sexual relationship. He looked unnatural. And then he says, when he found out about Mark Kane, the number two sisters, oh, he'd have been a person of interest. You'll see that interview. When I watched that, I've always been to the opinion that James Matthews was asking Luke Mitchell questions that only the police could ask him under caution. You've got a right to remain silent. and then you say you know that right and then for years I always say he was briefed he's been coached by the police again just recently a man phones me a local councillor touched me he just died the other day with Alec Bennet God rest me so he says to me he always told Luke he was guilty Scott he says I'm reading your book son he says fair play they're all laughing at long last you can read and write you know that right he says I'm reading that bit about James Matthews do you not know James Matthews Scott and I say no I know he's a Sky reporter.

1:08:20No, son, he's from the village. The village down there all, right? And he says his brother's a local copper. Brian Matthews, a local community policeman in Dalkeith in 2003 who's telling all the boxing clubs, all the football clubs, all the minors clubs, we've got the wee cunt. We cannae tell you how, but we've got the wee man. His brother's now in Luke Mitchell's who's in there, you know? Now, I know that's all conspiracy, but somebody set him up. and Dalkeith in 2003 Jamie you couldn't find anybody who believed that Luke Mitchell was innocent Paul because they rumoured and listen see Dalkeith it's like 10 mining villages Nebdey thought he was innocent Nebdey Paul let's be honest Nebdey thought I don't think when Joe Steele said it to me I thought fuck's sake Joe you're crazy but and then you wait you wait up and go wait a minute Joe Steele wouldn't say that without some credibility and then you look into it and he was right like I say I'm not a detective but with information that I have that boy is there's nothing to point him of being there on that night or killing that young girl and it's mad to think it's fucking mad 14 and like you say there's an innocent lass he's been killed God rest her soul do you know what I mean but in that family like we don't have everything here to say right it was this person that person we can only give our own opinion you've came here today and just been blatantly openly and honest which is I think is only the right thing as well today James see my motivation is my very first day was the wee lassie murdered.

1:09:47Everybody in that area wants to help you. It's not a bank robbery or somebody getting shot or whatever. It's a wee lassie my daughter's the same age. 14. I went to my dad by the way when I wanted to start talking I went to my dad and abuser and asked him and he said he knows me eh. And I said dad I'm not listening but and he said shout louder sir. And I went to my wee lassie my wee lassie and she's 32 now. And then 14 the same age as Jodie in the same kind of schools I've got my grandson in the same school and now is where Jodie and I went to and I went to my daughter and my daughter told me Dad, shout, shout and listen, my only motivation for day one was Jodie Jones I've never made a penny for this case I've read in line and I've liked my book I've not licked by it anyway and I've read in line and that's cost me fortunes travelling back and forward here and there I've been in Dalkey for thousand times for where I tried to meet people and this I never earned a penny even as when I was his lawyer by the time we were his lawyers the legal aid had been spent ten times by lawyers milking it right and my motivation for day one was we Jodie Jones still remains although the family hate me and rightly so I didn't blame them and I don't blame the Jones family for pointing their finger at me and calling me whatever I didn't mind that because what I'm saying is if they were saying that about me but I can't shut up from what I've seen and this isn't just I've not just read read crime files I've been in Dalkeith for 16 years people telling me things like the guy Dickie recently Dickie's now admitting that he perjured himself laughing about how he was over the wall people are slipping people are making mistakes now Jim but sorry making mistakes it's getting that mistake back into court do you think the truth will ever come out yes yes yes and I'm looking I believe so I believe so and I think it's oh can I the media convicted Luke Mitchell in my opinion right the police manipulated the media right fair play listen that's their job and I get bitter towards him you understand it but the media's turning I've got a couple of real good journalists a guy Doogie Walker and his son I'll give him a mention and the only reason I'll give him a mention is he's been brave but we've got a couple in the Express in the mail the Daily Record have never turned because they went against Mitchell I'm trying with that as well right I've asked an editor now Jane Hamill's retired for the or took redundancy for the record we're trying with the record Luke please come and speak to us take a walk do you know if you're ever in the end we'll come and I'll take you a walk and I'll show you and when you leave I've never taken anybody that walk James and I've left to believe in Luke Mitchell called Jodie because when you show them in you think right so the sun front page headlines Did you see it?

1:12:40Luke Mitchell. Just a couple of weeks ago. Oh, brilliant. Right, so I have to applaud Dougie for that night. He'd be brave. Most other journalists, oh, Luke Mitchell, he come forward and say, okay, I'll do that. So if you can turn the daily record in the sun, oh, they're halfway there. That's my opinion. At ZocDoc, we know you care about your health. You wouldn't do that early morning cardio if you didn't. So the fact that your annual physical is overdue just shows how hard it can be to get seen by a doctor. Sorry, that doctor's not in network. Press 1 for more options. You've reached us outside normal business hours.

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1:13:49Get started at chatgpt.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro plans. Just shows you how powerful the media is. Ah, definitely. Do you know what I mean? 100%. What's your whole rundown on it, Scott, from day one to now? I think the murder's horrific James right it's not a serial colour and it's not a cold hearted or calcly it's a frenzy thing right the wee socks just quickly Jodie Jones has dragged them out with hair right and she's dragged along the ground and then the reason we know this she's got mud on her socks right and her socks have come off and somebody's put the socks back on but they've put them on inside out so the mud's in the inside of the sock so we know the socks have come off and somebody put them back on who dressed them again somebody would care if I psychologist this who would do this somebody that cared for her would do it so you've been lying naked and somebody's picked up the socks and put them back on that was never investigated me personally I think the police made that much of a harsh they destroy the crime scene the whole crime scene is botched for wanting a better word they allow witnesses to the washer, clays, the witnesses, they disappeared, they got lazy, they got arrogant.

1:15:08We've got our man, and when they come back, no forensic links to Luke Mitchell. I think they just kept targeting them. I think they invented stuff and bullied people. Listen, I've got young kids, 14 or 15, at the time trying to stick up for Luke and they were bullied. No, intimidated by police. Yeah, fucking. And some now who spoke against Luke are now having counselling because they believe Luke Mitchell killed her. Everybody in 2003 believed him. which even his wee school pals, 14-year-old lassies, know like saying he's a fucking animal and we don't like him and they say things against him. They're now grown women, know with their own minds and they're sitting in the house at night crying, thinking what did I do to my friend?

1:15:48Because they were intimidated and bullied by the police. Everybody that spoke out, everybody I've spoken to in all these years, anybody that spoke out or anybody that come forward with any evidence that was not fitting the police narrative were either ignored, bullied or smeared and I just think people say they were crooked, I just think after the forensic cleared I think they just targeted them James Well that was one of the first for many years to come forward and shed light on it and say it was innocent and it was 90 % hate, it was 90 % people try to cancel me people try to stop me, and now it's 90 % for it.

1:16:28Canceled you're going to get a phone call but I'm not even going to mention name because I know that you said a tiff there's a rare podcaster down south tell me like he interviewed me and I thought it was alright it wasn't him that done it he's side kicking or that no I've done a few now I never planted the risk and when I wrote that I thought I'd never been in the limelight I had no camera in that but now I'm getting used to it I feel alright with it right Jane and I have cancelled me for that pulling them up what was his words she reached out to me and drew it offline but other people just stuck out in other places so they've tried to cancel me for 15 years but they've smeared me and I still get threats you know like you have to be careful Scott you know like what happens if your door goes in one morning and you find something listen if that happens so what James I'm not bothered it can happen to anybody of course but if there's an innocent kid there and there's fresh information and there's mere stuff coming out then you've got to do the right thing you've got to do with your soul tells you James that's what I mean fuck everybody else I'm happy to sit with close to anybody I'll shy away from nobody I'll happy to sit with and this is just like you say it's information I'm not a lawyer I'm not a detective you're a lawyer you're a legal detective listen that's the big question how you know on the losses side anyway see oh you're cancelling culture you never became a solicitor you never went to university oh listen you get away Paddy Hill miscarriage justice when the lead for the day I think I'm going to go pop in and see them I'll take you and introduce you in that right over there they call me their best investigator that I've ever had right tramping about a drum chapel at night with my briefcase you know like in a case a terrible case not that right and then a case that Tommy Campbell brought to us many years ago a guy was in shorts plenty of Decel Green on New Year's Day or Paddy's Day or something Tommy Campbell got in touch and says this man is innocent you know would you look at and I looked at the case two cases for them and they I'm decent what I did James I'm fair street I've done a five I was in Lister School at 13 and all right and first time I was in Peel Glen and at 14 right so I'm not a daft I'm not a fool do you and seven years at uni four years post grad law I'm not a I'd probably look at things a wee bit different for other lawyers which is all right okay Street wise ah yeah what is your qualification squad for people watching my qualification I've got a a bachelor's honours degree in philosophy and history and I've got an LLB that I've done in postgrad and I've got a legal practice diploma and postgrad as well.

1:19:02Four-year postgrad law and a four-year undergrad with history and philosophy. Do you think Luke Mitchell will ever get out? Do you know what I think? Hope I'm wrong, James, but here's what I think is going to happen. I think the police have destroyed that much evidence, right? And when the Crown come back, we ain't knowing this now, the Crown will come back and they're going to tell us what they've destroyed. And I think when they tell us what they've destroyed, it'll breach he's Article 6 he's right to an appeal so they'll allow him out on that ground and that way it saves him from investigating it there is no crime that's what I think is what will happen do you think you'll have it meant he'd gulp to just try and get out no no no no listen I've heard listen I hear listen I read a statement earlier you know like when he was in poem and he shot any soup and he pissed any soup and that ok I've seen all that imagine even going on record when you're a grown man talking like that but okay I got told he confessed when he was in the digger in Pullman right and the people that I heard were there you would confess because if you didn't confess you were getting sliced so I heard all this and I heard it for years and and I've mentioned it as people spoke to me I've heard I've heard this in Pullman that he'd done this and he'd done this I went to men that we both know that were in Pullman and told me that's nonsense I never heard that and they thought he was a beast but other people tell me oh Scott I was in here and we gave him a hard time but some of the people who gave him a hard time in Pullman now are very supportive and they're laddies from that area they've done five and sixes when they were young laddies in Pullman they're now very very supportive you can see why he got terrorised because if I was in the jail and he was there you're going to terrorise him because you think it's true by the way James you know you boy no I know oh he's not sick and the big see the laddie Jordan he was in and he tell me oh Scott he fought back but you can understand why people were terrorising him.

1:20:54Like I say, when Joe said to me, I thought, nah, you cannae be. In my mind, he was always guilty. It was all over the papers and news, especially being so close to home. You don't forget these things. How do you, when you wrote the book, has this been fact-checked? Has this been checked? Ah, yeah. Listen, I'll just tell you right off. There's one thing in there that's... Where can people get it, Scott? Amazon. Amazon. Ah. Listen, I fact-checked. Sandra Lean's encyclopaedia Luke Mitchell listen I've worked with Sandra so everything's above board it's all fact everything

1:21:30there's two things in there that make me laugh can I show you of course the Bible I'm not a biblical person but the time is coming when everything that is covered up will be revealed and all that is secret will be made known to all Luke 22 right and a wee verse by Burns at the back the only person that scared the truth of Zemi wouldn't write. There's one thing in the air they keep pulling me for James. We, Jodie Jones, when she, Jodie's dad committed suicide when he was 15, right, when she was nine and then the brother was 15. They say that's when the brother went off the rails. And in statements, and I'm not going to say whose because I have to cover myself here because in statements, the mother included, but other people's statements, we, Jodie walked in on a bad party, a swingers party one night and grabbed a bottle of vodka and run out the house, run out the living room and it caused scenes in the house and that led to the father's suicide.

1:22:23People are saying, didn't he talk shite? Jodie wasn't in the country. Grandmother had the way. That's no true. I've based everything on there on factual evidence. So if I've told a lie or people say I'm told a lie in there, it's because somebody's told a lie in their statements. And everything I've read in there comes from Ori Jones' family statements, Luke's statements, Luke's mother's statements, Luke's brother's statements and police statements. everything that's in there is factual factual now they got checked and peer checked Sanderlene is my reference, if I wanted to know something about listen I've got a different take on this with Sanderlene Sanderlene's a campaigner and he's been campaigning brilliantly, he's kept this in the public for years, I've just come out and says it they've been dicing about for years no one named this person, named that person I've just come out and says it and I didn't mean to offend but okay listen sometimes you have to offend I come to the conclusion one day when I started writing I said I didn't even want to write in the the form I wrote but the mere I looked I'm thinking that's how you boy I was looking at like a a court case and trying to write all professional and I'm starting to look at it and thinking he's 14 he's a fucking bear and he's a child it doesn't matter how you dress I didn't even mean if he's guilty he should have been treated better but he's 14 I'm thinking 14 imagine sitting there who's at 14 with your mum you've got nobody in the world to protect you they're sort of middle class they live in a wee middle class scheme his dad's not there he's got a big brother but you've got nobody to protect him you've got to you've got to you've seen the media how they work you've got to do the record outside you're used 24-7 you've got the police telling you you're a wee bastard you've killed a wee lass and you're 14 if anybody you say something there they work right I genuinely think I've done right, James.

1:24:21I've done a lot wrong in my life. Everybody has. In 2003, when I took a boy to a police station, I thought I was doing right. As I say, listen, I walked away from it for a few years because I had to go and do other things. I had to make a living. And I've been away from it and then I've come back and then went away and come back. And this time with COVID, I sat down again with Sandra Leigh and we pulled out crime scene photographs. and see the mere I started looking at them and the mere I started reading the case again and it refreshed my mind I got angry so if I've said things that upset people they're just tough So who do you think who do you think killed Jodie Jones?

1:25:00Who do I think killed Jodie Jones? I think only my opinion I think her brother killed her I think Joseph killed her he was the last man and the reason I'm going to say that is Joseph Jones is the last man that's seen Jodie alive 15 minutes before she was killed Joseph Jones seen walking behind her he's got a history of violence towards his sister he's psychotic his psychotic drugs were wearing off his smoking bucket bongs would make him paranoid his MO was dragging ragdolling him dragging him about with hair Jodie Jones had been dragged about with hair he wore a backpack with a large bowie knife in it because he was so paranoid he's pulled out to people, plenty of people and very violent, you know listen, he's a violent man, he's not a gangster violent but he's a and Jodie was killed under a frenzy's attack now if he can build a case the police, 20 police officers, well how many police officers can build a case over a year against Luke Mitchell I could build a case against Joseph Jones myself, we took 20 police and I'm not going to and I could have got a ghillie against Joseph Jones in the court, I believe that and that's only just me working myself I believe Joseph Jones killed his sister and I believe his two pals John Ferris and Gordon Dickey helped him escape from the scene and I think David Dickey went back up and cleaned it do you know, one other thing dogs you'll find this room there'll be dog men in Posse they'll tell you you can use bleach and ammonia to hamper dogs on a search.

1:26:39Do you know that? Yeah. Right? A protected site. Right, so. The guy, David Dickey, goes over to where Jodie's lying at, say six at night with his nine working Spaniel dogs, right? And he didn't come forward, but his son comes forward five days later and in his statement he says, ma, my dad went back over to the site. So instead of the police going to David Dickey and treating him as a suspect or even a person of interest, right, they invite him back over to the locus and use him as an expert witness. So he's now trampling over the site. He's got blood on his boots, but they cannae then tie the blood into him being anywhere near the murder site because the police took him there.

1:27:14Then another set of police go to Seuss and they start asking him about sexual relationships. And how many times he had made sexual advances towards Jodie? But the police, one set of police are using him as a witness at the locus. Think of that. If he had been part of that and his DNA is over Jodie or at the locus, it got cancelled out because the police took him back there. now five weeks later weeks the days I get mixed up after years and too much but they bring up so they use a guy called David Dickey he's an expert right first imagine it then they bring up the dog team for Yorkshire same dog team that was Madeleine McCann right different dogs obviously but same team and they bring them up and they take them into Dalkeith and do you know what they say where dogs are hampered by a bleach like substance ammonia somebody poured ammonia where Jody was found people had sprayed the site with ammonia who?

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1:28:55It sounds like a Ford Mustang doing what a Mustang does. Ford, JD Power's number one in initial quality among mainstream brands. Ready, set, board. When properly equipped, max towing varies based on cargo, vehicle configuration, accessories, and number of passengers. For JD Power 2026 US initial quality study award information, visit jdpower.com slash awards. Awards based on 2026 model year. Newer models may be shown. How many people do you think were involved in the whole thing? The cover-up, the body wear, the known who killed her? How many people? Oh, I think Joseph killed his sister. I think David Dickey and Gordon Dickey and John Ferris knew and helped them escape and I think Jodie's mum stepdad knew I don't know what parts they played there's always puzzling me about it James Wright and you're a young man so it worked this Jodie's mum on the night she was killed she says that she leaves the house she's only drinking, I'm no slagging her here I'm just telling facts she's only double vodkas for 12 o 'clock during the day she's pissed and the guy Alan Ovens he works in the cleansing he comes home for work and he says Janine's in the house but then when the stocky man mentioned it was Joseph so he changes his statement for Janine to Joseph but at 6 o 'clock that night they say they leave the house to go up to a cemetery to visit her ex-husband's grave now if you're a young man in your I don't know 30s or whatever writing about a girlfriend friend, she's half pissed and you come in for a hard day's work and you want to go up to a cemetery and go and visit your girlfriend's ex-man's grave.

1:30:33I find all that pretty strange. I always thought that she left the house because she knew something had happened. But that's only for their conscience. I can't approve that. A lot of people tell me things and listen, it's a village and when you go there people talk to you, other people don't. But I believe the mum knows. I knew that, I believe the granny Alice Walker who's now dead, she washed clothes tell Winters he's not to come forward. She knew exactly where to go that night. I think she knew and I think Jodie's mum and stepdad knew, although they never had nothing to do with it. I genuinely don't think they try to set up Luke Mitchell.

1:31:09I just think they try to protect their son. And Luke Mitchell just happened to fall guy. Where do you go forward for it here, squad? Yeah, well, listen, we're waiting on the crown. We're waiting on the crown coming back and telling us exactly what I've destroyed. I've got a funny feeling, James, have destroyed everything.

1:31:31There's forensics. There's forensics we want tested again, right? There's things that were never tested in 2003. The commission tested their trousers again, I think, 2013. Their trousers, they only zip and that. They tried and they couldn't find nothing else, right? But Alan Jameson of the Forensic Institute in Glasgow, he's always maintained that he would like to test other things in the case. So if they're not destroyed certain things, we would like to get access to them. And I believe now we will get access to them because the Crown are now in a weak position because they've admitted they've destroyed evidence.

1:32:08And try again, try forensically, James, to re-examine us. Or, I don't want to go to Gawie, but we're putting pressure on people. Putting pressure on people. The guy Ferris, we're going to go and visit him soon. Not me, do you know, but journalists, brave journalists. there's a couple now standing up and we're going to go try and speak to Ferris and Dickie and Joseph Jones and there's pressure I know people tell me they're saying things now and they're getting me personally people are getting nervous people are getting nervous and it only takes one person to be living with all that guilt and regret to have a breakdown and go do you know what this is the truth because somebody knows it listen they're decent guys see how do you see this through foot being 20 year old your pal's done something real real rad 20 I would have probably tried to get my pal away your best pal man and he's come with a problem and says can you help me you're always going to back him up obviously if you go to this scene and you think shit man what have I done but you're already there and that's the scary time once you take that one step James A once you take that step to get him away and if this guy is as crazy as you say you don't know if he's threatening people as well do you know what I mean to go and help him oh that's good listen the guy John Ferris moved away to here sure he come back and he was in Mayfield and Joe's up to the pavement with a car trying to run him over he's a he's a he's a violent man do you ever worry that somebody could try and take you out listen that's part of the game isn't it because of the names you're mentioning kind of just listen hey over the years James I've been him five years now I make me a dangerous man than him I'm not saying he's not dangerous well listen if you can do that to your sister and I know he's distri-violent ah I suppose okay okay it's in the pits it has to happen I wouldn't worry I didn't even know worried can I tell you something James I'm actually proud I've done a lot of things in my life that you're ashamed of you know no shame that's a that's a that's a good it has of course but there's certain things I've done that I was quite proud of you know when I got older walked down I was laying at myself but this oh I am genuinely proud of myself when I stood up in 2003 nobody was you know like everybody Mitchell I thought this is just not right Biz In 2003 I was an ex-con I'm uneducated So it was easy to say Oh he's fucking daft And this and that He's not clever enough They can't tell me that anymore Listen I sit with sheriffs And KCs Having cups of coffee And intellectual conversation About law and anything else I'm not a stupid man So in 2003 I was insecure You're a laddie for the street I'm not a laddie but you know and you're going against all this tide no now no now Paul I am I know I'm I'm pretty good so if John Ferris and Gordon Dickie but St Gordon Dickie's a big brook a man as well and I interviewed his dad this was quite funny I interviewed his dad in 2011 and he says to me come on we'll go in the field so now Gary get this conversation I had a briefcase and a suit I said aye go then what go then and then we walked in the field and he just kept talking and then he says to me but you'll not be interviewing my son like that I say okay and he bothers and I just walked away and they say I'll tell you Luke Mitchell was ID'd allegedly on a path talking to Jodie at 5 to 5 at 5 to 5 around the bit of that time a woman called Andrena Blyson it's always been questionable she went to court could you see the man you seen that they know they showed her mug shots the boys who were 12 and 13 14 and then they showed her an Instamatic do you remember the Kodak Instamatic?

1:35:56one of Amy Luke Mitchell because he had never been in a mugshot and she went I think that's him so they had Tim now in East Duses right he was never up there so anyway we meet Andrena Bryson 2011 2009 we send her a letter we chap her door and she phones her office so we go to meet her I'm selling her solicitor grandma and then we get to the home right and she's here to her husband which is fine because I wouldn't meet lawyers on the morning you take somebody away but her mother-in-law was there I found that quite strange but all we asked her was one question Miss Bryson when you go to the High Court and you see Luke Mitchell you couldn't identify him identify him had he changed his appearance and very polite and very soft spoken get out of the house the mother-in-law jumped up get out get out as the years went on we started investigating it's something the Bryson family have spoke to me you know and Andrea Bryson never seen anybody and Rena Bryson was driving along the road allegedly her husband seen a couple arguing and because he had mental health trouble and drug troubles he got his wife to come forward she was doing the best because she knew the Jones family everybody in Dalkeith wanted to help catch the killer and she was doing her wee bit for the community and she had ID'd Luke Mitchell but when she went to court she couldn't ID him Fair play for coming forward Scott and just having the balls to just say how it is for your side for the evidence and everything you've got like I say the newspaper newspapers, Luke's conviction, your story, the other three parts I've done, people can make up their own assumption and decide what they want, but end of the day, Luke's still in prison, they're still in an innocent girl being killed, I don't know 100 % facts of everything, but I've got a rough idea, and for what I've gathered, that kid is innocent, but would you like to finish up on anything, Scott?

1:37:39Yeah. Luke Mitchell never killed Jodie Jones, James. Didn't he kill her? I invite anybody, anybody. listen you're inviting anybody to come on your podcast and take a walk sitting listening I invite any any doubters and after this I'm going to show you medical records because I doubt you I can't go public and print they keep I'll put this through public I can't do that prejudice cases you can get to jail for that yes after this I'm going to show you medical records and I'll invite anybody any doubters police officers lawyers anybody to come a walk with me and I'll take them and show them a walk and at the end of that walk you tell me that Luke Mitchell killed Joe Jones you'll not be able to do it.

1:38:21Could Luke have had any involvement in this case? James I've looked at I've genuinely listen for every time I've looked at I've always tried to find Luke Mitchell to be guilty. Does that make sense? Listen I had to go away for a few years and different things and work on that other thing and I always come back to it and every time I've looked I've always tried to find something that put Luke Mitchell in the frame. Man Paul there's nothing. They made up stories Listen, I'll say this, Luke Mitchell was a weirdo, and he admits that himself, right? He carried knives and he acted daft, you know, he burned himself with fags and he always had a blade.

1:38:57But he's a hash smoker in 2003, he was so bad. He'd done a axe to carry, right? So he always had a knife. Okay, maybe a bit too close to the relationship with him and his mum, a bit funny, but there's no cruelty to animals, there's no deceit, there's no criminality, there's no none. and his mother did people not say there was hanging from his door dead animals and that though the biggest the biggest rumour ever in Dalkeith in 2003 it wasn't Luke Mitchell it was his brother Shane right who was hanging animals dog hung his dog from the door and tortured it and he was never at the Roslyn Lee hospital right with mental institute in Dalkeith it wasn't just a lot of shite sorry for swearing but shite Shane Mitchell had never been near the Rosalind Lee hospital in his life.

1:39:45The only person that had been near Rosalind Lee hospital in his life was no Luke's brother, but Jodie's brother. The only person who was torturing animals in this, apart from Mark Cain. Mark Cain, the man I took to the police, oh, James, the cruel animals are another level, right? But Joseph Jones also, a torturing animals. Can I ask you just a logical, this is always, this is me. If you have a psychotic fit or you have an outburst and you're a boxer, you throw punches, eh? if you're a karate guy you kick but if you're into chopping up animals and you have a psychotic fit what are you going to do the thing is if Jodie was getting punched in a hair pulp there would surely have been DNA they must have been wearing gloves then listen Kate they've got Luke Mitchell doing me oh they've got Luke Mitchell doing me wearing his baraclavas gloves I think Professor Basuto he was a police pathologist listen I've worked with Professor Basuto two or three times he's a lovely man and a brilliant professional but if I says I need to find this and this murder he'll find it for you does that make sense for anybody watching Scott that's maybe you don't know who watches say somebody wants to come forward with new information how can they get in contact with you listen I'm on Twitter everybody knows my Twitter I never use Facebook but I use Facebook Messenger and my email address is scf65 at hotmail.co.uk again Scott would you like to finish up on anything just please finish Luke Mitchell did not call Jodie Jones in your book people can get this on Amazon it's a fascinating read for anybody interested in this case but for coming on today Scott telling your story appreciate it thank you keep fighting the good fight God bless you for this good chat try my best thank you

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