Met Police Whistle-Blower Reveals Deep Corruption - Issy Vine Tells All

58:54Wow. So we're talking about mass cover-ups from the bottom to the top. How is that possible? How has Epstein not got a list when there's someone in prison doing 20 years for child trafficking? It's scary. But yet, the public will forget about it next week because there's so much news. It's easy to deflect. It's easy to then just believe what you see in the media because people are naive. They are naive. are easily manipulated all humans we kind of gravitate towards answers and the truth and guidance because we all want to be guided because we don't know what's going on everyone's lost it's just that shows you how fucked up the society in the world is that if they're promoting this now and people are believing it yeah you're too far gone a hundred percent and i mean i'm not saying i want everyone in the world to be like me but i just would be it would be so much easier if people could just stand up to corruption and stand up to wrongdoing, whether that's someone in your workforce or a whole institution, because...

59:54And I don't, maybe it's the simplicity and the easiness to just get on with your own life. But I just can't, I can't, I don't know if you are the same or I just can't live my life and not say when something's wrong. I just can't because I don't want people to be hurt and I want society to be nice. Like I don't want to just get on with it and just turn a blind eye because that doesn't affect me. So I'm just going to move on. That's not me. and if more people spoke up and more people rose up against these corrupt institutions, change can happen. But it's difficult because the grooming gangs were spoke about 10 years ago.

1:00:35But if you spoke out against them, you were a racist, you were Islamophobic or whatever it is. And now when it becomes trendy, it's easy now to speak about it because you don't lose your job. You're not classed as a racist. So as much as everybody wants to make a stand, you can't. because you'll get sent to prison for a Facebook post. And I'm not saying that. Refugees, I don't want that. I'm happy for refugees and people coming from war-stricken places and kids and mothers to have a good life. I'm just a bit worried about the people coming over in boats in their 20s with knives and abusing the girls and abusing kids.

1:01:08No passports, no papers of their crimes and their convictions in the past. You're not racist for having a duty of care for people. I don't give a fuck what colour you are or what religion you follow. There's great Muslims, there's great Christians, great people in all religions in all colours but you've got extremists who then use religion or colour as a get out while you're racist you're not really because nobody's really asked you don't walk along the streets it's like you says Ellie you don't walk along the streets and see the 70 phone calls you have I then go well where is all this happening I don't see racism I don't only see it if I go on Twitter I'll see it just everybody feel I hate I don't see it walking along the streets I speak to everybody everybody gets along from the taxi driver or whatever everybody gets along we don't see it, but it doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

1:01:53No. But then another thing, which gets my back up, is society. England is so focused on external threat and external extremists. There are lots internally British extremists and terribly evil British people, um, whether religious or whatnot. There's never any focus on that. It's always the foreign, it's always the stranger, it's always the alien to divert the attention. and I don't get that. I'm not necessarily proud to be English because a lot of our history is based on exploitation and murder of foreign nations. So how about we stop focusing on the foreign and the stranger and how about we just look a bit more within?

1:02:36Because I don't know, I just think anyone that's focusing on an external threat is trying to divert from the internal issue. That's impossible, but there's threats now from everywhere. majority of UK is white so there's going to be majority of crimes from white people whether it's rape and child abuse and all that sort of stuff but there is threats coming from everywhere and it's to stop the threats and like I say work on our problems here like you say there is problems here yes and it's not a case I stop coming here because of your colour or religion we've got so much poverty here we've got so much homelessness we've got so much threats so many crimes from our own people and like you say it is easy to deflect but we need to work on our own here we shouldn't be sending money to Ukraine we shouldn't be sending money to anywhere else when the UK is fucked the UK is borderline from having the biggest meltdown but then again I always say as well as you say the UK is invaded and caused much destruction all around the world it really has it's one of the worst we're not innocent parties but we're not there's a lot of good people here as well and people just gravitate towards okay join the army or join your police and do this great work you're sold a dream yeah you don't talk about the negative stuff the corruption all the bullshit that comes but why would they tell you that yeah of course because then they wouldn't have anybody working with them but everything in the UK needs to be there's so much things need fixing it's not just a case of immigrants or whoever it is they want to blame there's so many departments in the UK that needs fixing for it to be to kind of level it out first of all our taxes are through the roof people are working more hours getting paid less and their bills are higher.

1:04:15So everybody's working under a constant stress and a constant pressure where the housing's through the roof, food's through the roof, people are struggling. So there's so much to fix. It's not just the violence because like you say, we don't see much of it, but it does go on. People who want a revolution, who want to make a stand, they can't because they get put in prison. Like Felicia Conley, like three years come on for a Facebook post. Of course, what she put out was a bit dark. Yeah, but not prison. I'm sorry. I don't agree with that. And then you have officers filming little kids and making indecent images and they're getting no prison time at all.

1:04:50She should have got a chap in the door, slap the wrist, listen, don't do that. It is inciting violence. She deleted the post. No way she should have got prison time, but we're living in a... I mean, did Trump get prison time for asking people to storm the Capitol? I don't think he did, and that's inciting violence. But they all work. They're all in the same club. Yeah. No matter who it is, left, right. And I look at people and I think, you're just it's just the same bird that's you know like trump says no wars he's starting to cause wars now he's doing stuff to iran and other things there is a lot of unrest in the whole world yeah but if just people could rise and make a make a stand positively but it's difficult because so many people are caught up in their own work and just want to concentrate on their own family they don't want to get involved because look at what it does to your mental health yeah exactly and it's And it's not easy and you do get, it's not a walk in the park standing up for whatever reason, because you're always going to have an onslaught of hate, um, resistance.

1:05:47Um, but I don't know, I'm the type of person personally where I've stood up and, you know, I get like shit loads of hate from officers and ex soldiers and whatnot and security. Because I'm targeting their own. I'm, you know, I'm calling out someone that I should be looking out for because we're both in policing. like and i just think that's absolutely no shit because soldiers and police officers yeah it's always back in a call handler who's yeah i paid for it yeah yeah exactly i mean i don't know it just baffles me because i always say like decent officers will want the same as me a decent police force i'm not saying get rid of the police force i'm not saying police officers are horrible all of them are crap and i hate police not at all i love the good decent hard-working officers that are usually on the bottom ranks out on the front line i'm so grateful for them but it's the corrupt officers and the bad officers that I want to get rid of.

1:06:39And decent officers will want the same. And if anyone gives me hate for wanting to call that out, I'll just think, check your hard drive as well. Because it doesn't make sense to me. And, you know, police employees, staff or officers cannot deal with criticism. Like, they get very defensive, like, how dare you, this job is so hard. We've given 30 years of our life to this. We've been to traumatic incidents, how dare you? or you haven't dealt with a knife-blading thug or you haven't gone and scooped up body remains, I can still call out bad behaviour. If we just let that trump bad behaviour, that's so unacceptable.

1:07:19I mean, you know, like we were saying earlier, I'm completely against PC Lawncastle. I don't believe a list of good things outweighs bad things. I think, thank you for doing all the good things you've done, your job, and I'm really grateful. but now i've seen some bad things and i've been made aware of them and you're not right for it anymore and i can call that out and i shouldn't get hate for that for wanting to just get rid of bad bad officers and bad people like it just but yeah policing staff and officers they don't like being criticized because they're very defensive of the job and we're a bond and we're a community oh well that's just the perfect feeding pit for corruption and cover-ups yeah i'm all for it listen if you've done 20 good things it doesn't give you a free pass to go and do one bad thing yeah i spoke too long and like we spoke off camera good guy to me saved the woman and that job is split second to then jump out someone wearing a mask who's going in for a call for abusing an old man he didn't know he had the knife on him but the knife did fall out and with that resistance people might not think he's resisting but he's telling me get of course the swear words of course the language was bad i get that but it's not just that and everyone is forgetting if you have you watched the footage yeah the hands around the neck and the jabbing in the neck and the full body weight on top of that suspect i won't say child that suspect he that that that boy was not a threat to pc lawn in those moments pc lawn multiple times was jabbing his neck hands around his neck that's not in police training at all and you know a lot of people say red policemist, you know, what can you do?

1:08:57Here's a thug balaclava with a knife. When I was dispatching, and you would send officers to a house, and you would do your intel checks, just to give officers any preparation, you know, whether there's, like, firearms at the address, or someone's mental health, or, you know, anything. You'd always tell the officers going to an address, it's known for firearms, it's known for drugs, it's known for this, you know, serious violence. Officers don't go in guns blazing to that. It's just for information so they can expect it. PC Longcastle went in full guns blazing under that. Didn't know he had the knife.

1:09:30Yes, it fell out later. But that boy was not a threat in those moments where he pinned him down. And you can even tell in the voice of the other officer whose body cam it is, that that was not an appropriate balance of force. It really was not. And if he'd have done that in an interview for policing, he wouldn't have got the job. So I don't know why society is excusing it. But he did get the phone call to say the kid had abused two other people beforehand, and assaulted two other people with the mask on. And I think when he jumped out of the car, and it's not that I'm defending him, I can only go for what I've seen.

1:10:00There was footage as well of the woman, female officer trying to resist him as well, but the hand slipped and the hand came out. That's where he tried to grab on the throat. I'm not agreeing with it, but there's still got to be an element because if he gets that knife out, when should it then be excessive force when he gets stabbed or when he's slapped? Well, I mean, that's different. Did you see the knife? yeah so the evidence that's bad so even though I understand what you're saying and listen I'm not sticking up for every copper but when you've got that call to say that an old man's been abused these kids are jumping about in these kind of scooters he's jumped out and he was telling the kid to stop resisting when he said there was four people still couldn't get the kid isn't really resisting but because of the police and his split second judgment I mean, he's saying...

1:10:52It's not a split second, it was multiple. Multiple throughout that whole footage, the hands around the neck, then pinning his head down to the side. But that's only the small footage that the courts have released. I've seen the full footage. Yeah, that's on the YouTube doorstep. Which tells a different story as well because the hand did slip. The hand did slip when he's trying to hold his hands because again, he's saying if he's been in that job so long, he knows kind of people's reactions. The kid was hiding something and he did get that right because they did have a knife. Fine, but there was, you know, three officers in Wales who got, like, brutally attacked, and they still dealt with that arrest way more professionally.

1:11:28You're taught, when you're an officer, you're not a normal civilian. You are professionally trained to detain, arrest, and work in those combative situations. Let a normal civilian act out like that. But a police officer is trusted and paid to professionally arrest and detain suspects. That was not professional and that was not what an officer is paid to do. I'm sorry it really wasn't. That was an officer who's lost control. And even he said he's lost control for a split second. Do you know how risky it is having officers who have openly admitted and shown us that they've lost control? I don't wanna live in a society where you've got officers, even for that one split second, losing control.

1:12:06For whatever reason, your mental health declined that day. You've had a shit day. You've dealt with 1 ,000 reports. And, you know, you've got seven shifts and they cancelled your rest days. I don't care. That's literally not good enough. We cannot have officers who lose control, because when do you draw the line then? You know, oh sorry, I kicked this young boy's head in, I just lost control, sorry. You know, and then it will just escalate. So where's the line where we draw between inappropriate and appropriate in policing? You have to be firm and you have to have no tolerance, because when you have no tolerance, that's when things get crazy.

1:12:38And that's what a lot of people say about children these days. We need to be firm, we need to be assertive. You know, kids can just run riot these days because we're too soft. so why can't we pay the same notion to policing why can't we be more tolerant with our police officers but it's like people just don't want to admit that you know we have to be harsher on our officers i i don't get it listen i totally understand and i'm all for it as well but on the other hand when you ever look at it for somebody who's doing the job 10 20 years who's maybe had guns and knives and mental health slips and like you say had a bad day i understand it's not acceptable but where is the line you know where is the line well he the kid had no marks on him plus that kid didn't even um put the complaint in it was other coppers who'd put the complaint yeah that's interesting but for me speaking to him and seeing it it kind of makes sense because when the knife for me makes it okay if i'm honest i swear what if he got assaulted what was the assault the old man was punched okay by him by that chance yeah okay by someone on the e-scooter wearing a mask wearing a mask and then there was another call with a fight broke out mcdonald's so there was already the description of this kid yeah um but then jumping out but then again wasn't he nfaed that kid was nfaed so if because again because of the media attention though you know why would you be nfaed if you're if you're actually a suspect of a crime a proven suspect of a crime now.

1:14:13I don't know about why. And he was in a balaclava. That's the standard outfits for most teens. But how can you be an F-Ed if you've got a lock back? If you've got a knife? You should have got prison time. But yeah, I mean, possession of a... So does that not tell you the corruption with it as well? And there's cover ups within it as well? Because it also works so many different ways. There are so many different things. If he caught with a knife, he should have been sent to prison. What if he'd killed a copper? What if he had killed that old man? For making that decision in a split second, It's different.

1:14:41It's a different ball game. It is. I do. I understand what you're saying. And there are so many different aspects to it. But for me, I don't see what's the difference. Why is there a complete different approach to that guy? I'm going to say guy, even though, what is he? 15? 15? 15 years. The suspect. Yeah. I'll say suspect. He's punched an old man. What's the difference between him punching an old man and a man putting the hands around the neck of a 15 year old? you can't do that as a normal civilian so why can you do that as a police officer but the copper's still trying to get him in cuffs no no not at all if you look at that footage it's not at all I'm not going to be told otherwise no listen I'm all for the discussion I love it but I'm actually for the copper if I'm honest because when a knife fell out in the assault no man I'm not for that the copper should have like I say should have handled it but in a nice world all copper can say put your hands up turn your back let me put the handcuffs but not everybody wants to be handcuffed.

1:15:38That kid's got a knife he's wanting to wait. Isn't that why officers are taser trained? And they've got that sort of level of threat. But he didn't taser him. He could have. Yeah, he had his taser. He had professional weapons that he's trained to use to disarm her. I think they've got to pin them up against the wall. That was his first protocol because he's a trained martial artist. Well, I mean, sorry, but that footage just looks to me like someone who's got a bit of an anger issue and has had a bad day or a bad sick of policing or whatever. and has just taken it out on, yes, a suspect who's carrying a knife, not acceptable.

1:16:11And if he was the suspect of those assaults, disgusting, should get prison time, whatever. But I wish people would take away the external parts and just look at the conduct of the officer. Because I think when you include he's assaulted this person or he's had a knife, I think that's really unproductive. I think you need to look at the behavior of the officer. Because ultimately, it's an officer getting dismissed. We're not talking about the crimes around it. I feel like you just need to look at the behaviour. And in that video, it made me sick. And I feel like people are gonna say, I'm too woke, I'm too sensitive.

1:16:43You know, this is the reason why the UK has got no... like, it's just all over the place. Well, you know, I would rather live in a society where you have professional officers that don't lose control. And maybe they need training in other ways to be able to disarm. But I don't wanna be in a society where officers are slipping their hands around the neck of a suspect. I don't, I just saw George Floyd and I know there's more to it. No listen, I respect that and I respect your opinion on it. But for me, like you say, you talk about having another cousins in the police force, but what if we had another mass murderer?

1:17:16What if that was the start of something with that kid with a knife? Killing police officers or killing innocent people as well. He could potentially have stopped that from escalating from that kid doing more sinister things, of course. But we don't know at that certain judgment, like you say, when you're reporting someone as well, you're trying to support of where it could lead to. Yeah. That copper's in the same position of where it can go. He was, like I say, a martial artist. Of course it was forced there, but there was no marks, no injuries. Doesn't mean there wasn't force there. Doesn't mean there wasn't babbit, yeah.

1:17:47But that kid never put in a complaint. He's carrying a knife, he's assaulted. Yeah, but he's a kid, he might not put a complaint in against the police force. For me, if it was, he's just jumped out the van and just grabbed this random kid, I think. That's what he did. No, but he's a suspect. He's got a barrel of clavar on. He's a, yeah, but I... Do you know what I mean? He's not just jumping out and attacking an innocent kid. For me, he's assaulted an old man. There's been a disturbance at McDonald's. I think he's admitted the swear words acting like a little bit. He shouldn't have not have said that.

1:18:17But what have you got hands around the neck? I don't understand. He never had that, though. See that video? Yeah. It wasn't hands against the neck. But in the YouTube Dorset footage, he's going like that. He's not. He is. I can tell you he's not. He is. I've studied, we've watched the footage, a million percent. I've watched it as well. It's here, it's not the neck. But why are you putting your hands down? Because he kept moving about, he's resisting arrest. PC Lawn's body was fully over that, that suspect. A million percent he was resisting arrest. He was outweighed. Do you think as well because of the, what you're going through with the police?

1:18:49No. No. That's just a question. I understand where that question's going. You're completely entitled to ask that and I would get why some people would say that. No, I praise officers when they do well, and I praise officers when... I don't praise officers when they do bad. And that footage was disgusting, and there's nothing that can change my opinion. I'm sorry. I think it's horrendous how all that money's been donated to him. I mean, if he really cares about policing, he'll put that back into policing, or some sort of support for officers. But he... If you look at most of the donators, they're police, current police or ex-police.

1:19:26And it's that culture, again, of protecting our own and looking after our own, you don't need that much money for an appeal. And I think he's appealing his dismissal. You don't need that much. I don't think he'll get the job back though. He's not had any previous or any other complaints or nothing like that. I know you don't think it only takes one of course, but... That's to be... Well, you know, there's more to it. So, you know... No, listen, I totally respect what you're saying. I get that as well. In a perfect world, we want police to be the best versions and do everything by the book. But just sometimes the way I'm looking at it, that split kind of second and seeing the footage, like I say, there was no injuries.

1:20:04That kid never put in a complaint. He assaulted the old man. He did have a knife and he was resisting arrest. It took four officers to actually get him in the cuff. So that's the way I'm looking at it. And I actually thought Lauren was sound as well. Like I say, I think you're sound and I totally get your respect from it. Yeah, you can agree with both, definitely. Of course, and that's why it's good to have these discussions. Definitely. And that's why it was one of the questions we would have asked anyway, because I knew that show online. I thought, you know what? fair fucking play yeah i'm not what everything everybody i believe me or follow what i say because this is life we can disagree and go do you know what yeah but like you see your mind don't have a bee chine yeah but the way i see it i think it has got a fair point and and that's okay and that's the beautiful thing but would you feel safe yeah well i i just don't feel safe in a society where we accept that we've got officers that lose control i could tell you a hundred more stories one million times worse it doesn't make it okay but from what police have done to people with the people that haven't.

1:20:57Like this. You can't just say, well, there's loads more worse, so let's give this one a little bit of leeway. No, that, you know, I mean, I get what you're saying as well. There's way worse, but at the same time, take every case as it is. And for me, I don't want to be around officers that lose control and I don't want them to be in positions of authority or power. He looked to me like someone who... 100 % out of control. and I'm going to get a lot of stick and I have already had a lot of stick you've never been to knife building, thugs, whatever no I haven't but also a lot of the people who are in senior leadership roles and are running the police haven't either so if you've got qualms with people having an opinion on it that have not done the job you need to go to your bosses you need to go to the government officials there's never been a health secretary that's been a doctor so if you've got issues with people who haven't been a police officer making comments or decisions or talking about it you need to look more within your police force and you need to look at the people running it because they've never been a police officer either the boys in suits and the officers who are running it so you know if people can come at me and say you've never been an officer you've never done it shut up like i don't need to have done it to have a fair opinion i really don't like i can anyone can make an opinion or a judgment on anything and i've had a little bit of insight into policing and people forget you know i like they always brand me as a cool hand there but i I was a dispatcher for a couple of years as well.

1:22:20And that's not... So, uh, Kul Hanna talks to, um, the public and takes the calls from them, but a dispatcher works on the radios with the officers, and does the CCTV, and speaks to the cop, to the helicopters and stuff like that. So, I saw a lot of policing, you know, just by working with the officers and not the public. So, I don't need to go to these incidents to know they're dreadful and to know they're horrible. I've heard officers screaming at the end of the line. But don't, don't dismiss my opinion, or my comment or my just my right to have an opinion on it um just because i haven't done a job i think that's really unfair um and for everyone you have done the job because like i say this isn't just somebody's opinion who's seen something online you've listened to police officers every single day you've listened to their tone of voice you've listened to them live when they're trying to handcuff people or get people disarm men with guns or women with if anybody i going to respect the decision like i said it's not to believe what i'm saying i'm just i've not been your job i can't make that decision but you can still comment on it opinion of course but like i say your opinion is going to be a lot stronger because you've listened to calls you've seen officers you've seen cctv how other things are handled i'm only judging it for yeah he had a knife he's done this yeah he deserved that in my eyes but i've never seen it from your eyes but i still respect what you're saying and that's what's good about conversations i'm not saying you're wrong yeah yeah that's not productive that's why the world would be so much better if people could actually have discussions but people want to force their opinions and beliefs and think that they're right we always get it wrong we always get it right this is life that's why it's good to have the discussions and go well that's what i believe that's what you believe exactly so be it we move on exactly see when you're doing the kind of see when you're seeing that then see when you're speaking to coppers also i'll ask this question first see because if does it come into record if somebody's had a bad day marriage breakdown or whatever if they how they react on their job does that come into anything what do you mean like if we're seeing officers like playing about someone that can't come into play if they've it's maybe off the because we've all got angry in life we've all made mistakes but yeah does it come into play that maybe they're going through stuff or maybe they've seen some trauma the week before there's yeah sometimes that does come up but I mean, I've worked alongside people and they've like not done their job well.

1:24:43And so someone said something to someone higher up and they've taken them out and they've said, are you OK? Like, what's going on? Is anything happening? And then they obviously are saying, I can't deal with all of this. I've just had to deal with all these incidents. And then they get sent home or whatever. So a lot of the time when an officer or a staff member is acting out, it is due to mental health decline from the job. And like I say, I always say that the police don't put in enough support services for staff or officers. So that's a problem in itself. But yeah, most of the time it is that.

1:25:14But then I do find most of the time also those just assholes as well. I mean, I specifically remember one staff member who was a controller, who a controller runs the whole borough and has the last say of what goes on. So if officers will go, like if you ring up and say, I need officers, that controller will decide if we'll come to you or just close it. they got the top end say, um, you know, we'd get domestic violence calls come in and he'd say, stupid slag deserves it, she shouldn't have stayed, you know, or all this, you know, and that's not a decline of mental health because you're stressed, that's, you're an arsehole.

1:25:51Um, so yeah, sometimes mental health stress and strain at the job, I mean, the officers that you see out on the beat, they're doing eight, nine, ten hour shifts, possibly 15 because they're, you know, being held on. But they're also having to investigate crimes in between jobs. So they've got a heavy workload. I really feel sorry for them. And I'm so glad I never joined as an officer, because fuck that. Did you think about that? Yeah, I did think about it. But then, you know, when I joined, the police didn't have a great reputation. I was a bit unsure. I'm like lazy anyway. I can't be asked to run.

1:26:19And I just can't be asked. And I didn't want to be frontline getting abused from people who hate police. I just, I guess on the phone, you have that kind of protection. And, you know, I can't imagine going to help people and then just being told you're racist, you know, you're this. And when you're just trying to help people, I just didn't want to be frontline. But yeah, I mean, I just think there are assholes and then there are people who are suffering and they're not getting the help they need. But like I say, everyone is responsible to look after themselves. If you're responsible enough to hold down a job in policing, you're responsible enough to know when your mental health is declining and to seek help when you need it.

1:26:54Um, so I don't know if I accept having bad days or, you know, carry, I feel like you can't continue with your job. If you know you're suffering, why the hell as an officer would you continue your job and put people in, in positions of risk? I don't think we would have police officers if everybody admitted they were suffering though. Because I think every cop is suffering in some sort of way. But if there were more services for mental health and support for officers, it could be a different story. Oh, we can present it. There's veterans and that, but there's not. Exactly. No, there's not. And there's so much mismanagement with money and funding.

1:27:33Like I've always said, and I've got a petition that I don't think professional standards should be internal. I think that should be a completely separate body. You shouldn't have officers investigating officers. That's so corrupt, even saying it, like who marks their own homework. And if you take away the funding put to investigate themselves, put that towards officer well-being or officer appreciation. make them feel appreciated for the hard work they do and that the, you know, they're risking their lives every day. And give them more, you know, support services. Don't just slap a number on the wall and say, if you feel shit, just ring that.

1:28:03Um, you know, there's a lot of mismanagement by boys in suits at the top who've never done a day's work in policing, who don't understand what's actually needed. A lot of Freemasons and stuff in the police as well, wear secret handshakes. He's one of us, nothing happens. I used to be like, oh, that's so stupid, like whatever. But I just, I'm like, nothing shocks me or surprises me anymore. So I probably, um, there's just a lot of, a lot of dodgy people. Um, and a lot of people who shouldn't be in that job and it's obvious and higher up don't do anything about it. But listen, we've got Zelensky.

1:28:39He was a dancer, an actor. Watch his dancing videos for anybody who doesn't know. He is a dancer. Oh, wow. You never watch his videos when you go home. He was a dancer, an actor, and he's running Ukraine. Donald Trump, he's been in the wrestling. He's been in the Simpsons. Yeah, business man. Home Alone. Yeah. They're all actors. It's not them or whatever. It's the people behind them who fund it. Exactly, exactly. And this is where people aren't freaking making a stand because we're choosing sides, left wing, right wing. Because whatever that is they want to choose, they're choosing countries.

1:29:11We're choosing Ukraine or Russia or Palestine or Israel. we shouldn't be questioning what side we're choosing we should be questioning the people behind it it's funding both sides the people who are funding both sides and the other people are manipulating the media for then you to join a trend and put a Ukraine flag or whatever it is what the fuck are you talking about? Ask the questions of why is this happening? Why is other people and innocent kids getting blew up all around the world? It's not just Palestine it's happening in Congo it's happening all around the world that people don't want to talk about why?

1:29:41Because it's not in the media but as soon as it's in the media it gives us all something to talk about. But also, and it's because it doesn't affect them either. I'm sure people would be up in arms if it was their own country being bombed and their own family being killed. But, you know, just unfortunately, humans are very selfish and only care about things when it affects them directly. Of course, but if you actually speak to families in every country, you would get a different reaction from what you see in the media. Yeah. But it's just the society we live in. What's the worst thing you, what's the worst call you ever got?

1:30:07Is it anything sticks out in your mind? Yeah, there's two that stuck in my mind. But one is a hanging I took that was just absolutely dreadful because a lot of people when they don't know who to ring or if they want police and ambulance, you just get put through to police. So yeah, just this guy found his sister hanging in her house and her, I think it's like nine-year-old daughter was upstairs and couldn't find her mum. So he'd gone to look and found her hanging in the garage. And he didn't want to hang up the phone and he was just crying and he was saying, should I cut her down? and I was like we only have very limited uh uh direction because we're not medically trained but he wanted to stay on the phone with me I I was saying maybe I think you need to ring we've got police coming but you need to ring an ambulance so they can give you full uh direction on what to do so the only like offer of advice I could give um professionally was try and cut her down and I could just hear him trying to cut her down um and it was just horrible and then the child coming down and seeing it and then he didn't want to hang up and I'm not hanging up on him like that's just horrible so I stayed on the phone until the police got there um and yeah that was really bad and then another one was I've spoken about before um a young man who took an overdose and then was sat by the Thames wanting to um like kill himself um because he wasn't dying from the overdose um and there was no police or ambulances available for 45 minutes so I had to stay on the phone with him and just like convince him not to jump um try and keep him awake um while there was no police and I just had to keep promising him that someone would come but like no one did I think it was like a police support officer that walked past and finally took it over um but that was really difficult because he kept saying you keep saying police are coming and ambulance coming but no one's here and I'm gonna die before you guys get to me and I literally didn't know what to say because it was true.

1:32:03I mean, luckily someone will pass him. Um, but that was, that was, that's the only two. The rest are a blur. The rest are a blur. Um, actually, no, I do remember a hoax caller. He always used to call, call the girls he'd call up. If he'd got a female, call Hannah, he'd call her a garbage bitch. But, um, yeah, apart from that, I don't, I don't remember anything else. It was all just a blur of shit. How do you feel then if someone did lose their life and you're the last person they speak to? Like that's a lot of pressure. And that's, it is there's no much money in the world can make you make those calls but that decision can destroy your whole life if someone takes his own life and you're the last person to call with the last bit of information you're trying to keep someone alive hmm i mean yeah it's a lot of pressure um but i i don't know if i just told myself this to like protect myself or like survival mode but i just always told myself i can only do what i can do like I at the beginning I was very emotional not emotional but like oh god like what if something bad happens and then like it's my fault and I haven't but then as time went on and I took more and more calls I can only do what I can do and I'm gonna try my best and I'm gonna try and help as many people as possible and I can I can't punish myself for things that are out of my control I can only do what I'm trained to in my role anything external I can't so I'll just try and help them I can't keep the baggage on me if I let if if police let them down whether that's because I can't understand what's going on so I'm not getting the information quickly because it's too chaotic or there's no police available and you know someone gets stabbed or let down I can't take that home with me I can't take that you know that that wouldn't be productive because then my mental health would decline even worse so I was quite good at setting a barrier um as to what um would make me feel sort of like stressed about it but yeah i mean it's a really good job and i would encourage anyone to to to do it if if they're interested um but i don't know first let me try and see if i can make change in the police as i make it a better place because it's run by absolutely idiots how bad do you think it is police officers how bad and corrupt do you think it is because i don't know many things a 500 podcast i probably say that's every second one that was good and bad in every walks of life, no matter where it is, no matter if it's a charity, or police, or football, whatever sport, or genre you're in the life, there's good and bad people, as simple as, but how corrupt and bad do you actually think it is with the cover-ups?

1:34:34And the grooming gangs is always one that will stick to mind. Sammy Woodhouse is a good friend, but you're talking politicians, child services, police, all involved in a cover-up. And one of the biggest scandals in Britain's ever seen. Tens of thousands of men abusing innocent kids and these are the ones that we've only heard about this has been going on for 40 years there's so much more yeah there's so much more I think it's and it says it takes over 20 years for a victim to actually come forward and speak her truth exactly and not speak her truth because there's men get abused as well as happens to men but the majority is females but it takes a long time for people to open up and speak their truth but that's how it's good for people to come forward and speak because it gives other people courage that they're not alone exactly Exactly.

1:35:19Um, well, I, I, I, and I don't want anyone to think it's just because of my experience, because I thought this before. That's why I joined to try to try and make it better, um, or can contribute to making it better. But I think, oh God, I don't want to give it like a percentage, but I think it's heavily corrupt. And it's, I don't think the corruption is on the low ranking and the frontline workers. It's when you get higher. I think when you get past inspector or like a civilian duty officer when you start to get into those high-ranking roles That's when you start to see cover-ups and real toxic Misogyny racism Just really bad things and they're able to fester and grow there because everyone's in positions to cover it up I mean when I complained about the director Everyone who I complained to about him said you must understand this awkward because it's our boss you're complaining about so we don't know how to hold him accountable because he's in charge of us you know so there's no accountability the higher you get you get up um so yeah what happened the boss what happened oh well eventually um 10 months later so a couple of months ago i got a email from the met saying that they agree they don't think the comments made by the director were bad um and that they're sorry that they ignored my report for five months um it was buried for five months um and and and that's it and then I asked them can I have a rationale as to why you think the director was right for saying that you know there's nothing wrong with having a harmful opinion etc and they said no we're not going to give you that so I said fuck off I'm not talking to you anymore and then I actually got a phone call from an inspector who wanted to just you know say that you know thank you for doing the right thing a lot of people want to do the same but can't so yeah nothing happened you still got a director and the Met Police who doesn't mind racist and misogynist and you still got a predator taking the calls and I think he's actually moved into, before I left, he moved into intelligence.

1:37:18So he's privy to everyone's intelligence and doing checks on everyone and working with officers. So God knows where his career will propel to. But people don't realise they could be looking at vulnerable people and targeting them. Yeah, exactly. Like you say, there could be another Wayne Cousins and I'm not targeting him as a Wayne Cousins because he was an evil pastor. You just don't know. You can't take the risk. For people who don't know who Wayne Cousins is, who is he? He is a former Met Police officer. I think he was at Kent as well for a bit. He worked in the Parliamentary Department. He abducted, raped and murdered Sarah Everard, who was walking home from visiting her friends a few years ago.

1:38:03and um yeah he uh took her to kent um and killed her there um but yeah i mean i feel like if no if someone doesn't know who that is then i don't know where have you been because it was absolutely horrendous um and it set the tone for um a lot of uproar in how police deal with their own um and the sarah over our vigil was just revolting the police response to that um the arrest of you know women there showing support but it was the complaints before it did not have complaints yeah he was flashing his willy in mcdonald's um they didn't um didn't investigate that even though i don't think the officer that was assigned to that didn't actually go and collect the cctv and if she did have done that she would have seen the vehicle registration that was linked to and would have identified him um and that kind of behavior that sort of shock power trip of cyber flashing or masturbating in public that is directly linked with you know highly likely to escalate into rape because it's about that power control it's about that you know taking away the sort of consent of someone you know no one's asking to see that you're just shocking them and surprising that that surprise element of it so yeah they missed out on that i mean there were so many failings the vetting they they missed out on vetting opportunities for him you know and this man was was armed you know it's it there's a failings there is is criminal and like the hat as well there's no one held account to those failings either because in my eyes those people who rehired him and will hide him from the met when he was transferred and didn't do the proper vetting procedures they've contributed to sarah everard's death um you know that that female police officer who was um assigned to the flashing incident at mcdonald's she's contributed to sarah everyone's death.

1:39:50And I personally, I mean, if I ran the world, you would do, you would pay for that. You wouldn't just be able to get on with your life knowing that someone's died. So yeah, I mean, that's the story of Wayne Cousins and he's, he's obviously serving in prison, but, um, which is not good enough in my mind either. Um, but yeah. I've never got fucking community service. I know exactly in this day and age, um, there's no accountability. And I, I feel like, I just want to say, you know, society needs to take more seriously violence against women and girls. It's very, very serious. Um, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of male victims as well, but there's an epidemic of male violence against women and girls.

1:40:30And I feel like it's a touchy subject with a lot of people, but it shouldn't be, um, because it shouldn't be tolerated. And I feel like, I don't know, just, I feel like when anyone brings it up, it's just like, well, what about men or what about this? And that's not the point. You know, that can be another conversation but you know i totally agree listen i've got a daughter i totally agree but we're living in a society where nobody wants to talk about it and the majority of it comes from men and i've said that before like there's false accusations do come from women as well but the majority of abuse again does come from men and is there a lot too much of it where it all gets swept under the carpet but we need a platform in places for people to feel safe i I believe women just want to feel safe.

1:41:10I believe men just want to sort of feel respected. But we're living in a society where things are getting creepier, things are getting darker. I don't know if it's social media. I believe porn plays a big part of people's mindset. Porn really does, yeah. Like it is a depressing and it's making people perverted. And it's not that people are bad, but if you're getting exposed to this at a young age, nine, ten, eleven, it's fucking with your brain. You know, so it's people who can't get sex or people who can't interact with people. they're then becoming watching these screens and putting everybody as an object but that's why it's free because they want people dumbed down they want people a little vibrational and creepy and perverted it's changing people's mindset when you look at kids being born and the innocence of childs you know they'll just want to play and have fun but then they get exposed to all that stuff it's screwing and all this weird fucking shit like it fucks with their brain and social media has made it uncontrollable now there's no stopping it but i mean society Society needs to also believe, well, I don't know, it's quite controversial, but I believe society needs to start believing victims first, then questioning victims.

1:42:17Because if you start questioning victims coming forward, that's just gonna put off further victims. And yes, there's false allegations and there's malicious allegations. but you can't you can't disbelieve if you've got 10 victims and two of them are malicious and you've got eight genuine victims but because of those two you disbelieve all that's someone productive for society and if there is a malicious allegation that will come through a court process or that will come through you know like that well i mean i've never heard of a malicious allegation actually sending someone to prison for anything like gender-based violence but i'm i need to do research i'm sure there are we've got to struggle with because it's not a case of believing everyone because i've had um he was an nfl star rising star he kissed a girl out the back of the shed and she accused him of rape and he lost his nfl career lost his life mum lost everything from false accusations so it's okay saying eight could be true two could be false but those two false accusations can destroy a man's life so there needs to be some sort of protection eight women's life of course but then it's a fair process but i think what makes it even fair for men because i'm a man so i've got to kind of have it fair but i think if you're making false accusations you should do the prison time that the man would get if the false accusations were true because then oh definitely if you're telling the truth you've nothing to worry about there's people who've told the truth and they've still been maybe blamed or accused as being a liar there's people who's lied and still put innocent men in prison so there's got to be it's not a case of it because how many bad relationships have ended and people have just started saying shit about each other we're living in a society where everybody's heads are fried and i'm all for so like i say my daughter my mum my sister of course and you have a fair date and and trial i'm all for that i don't care if you've nothing to hide and fuck it i'll fight all day long but it's a case of there's got to be it's got to be a level playing field how do we balance it out of we can't just believe every woman because women are fucking crazy as well believe me but then when do you disbelieve them of course but you've got to have a level playing field and not just one side so how would you approach them just like you not just believe there's got to be an element of evidence remember men now who are going through a process men's life gets destroyed just through accusations alone so i've been through it myself so i understand that and it's not that i promote myself as a fucking saint i'm not but i believe i'm a good guy i believe i try and do the right things but money can change people certain things can change people in social medias people want views and attention and i'm not saying by all means no chance i've done because i've interviewed victims i support victims also support the men brian banks his name was whole life was destroyed through a woman making false accusation he spent eight years in prison lost his nfl career his mom ended up homeless because she tried to pay for his legal fees and everybody thought it was an on so it came out eight years later she admitted on t and on record that she'd made it up yeah she needs to go to prison of course but she didn't she also got over a million pounds from the university so i believe if you make false accusations you're going to prison as well and by all means if proven though of course everybody Everybody should have a level playing field.

1:45:33If you're charged, by all means, have your day in court. You've nothing to worry about. But you want more victims to come forward and speak their truth and not be scared. So it's like... But by not believing or disbelieving victims, you're creating an environment where a victim comes forward and you're automatically suspicious. You've got to be because it's innocent until proven guilty. But being a suspicious environment is not a safe environment. So what's a safe environment for victims? because I wouldn't want to go forward to someone who's going to be like, hmm, you know, I'm not sure, but maybe, but not sure.

1:46:04That's not, I don't want to be, um, you know, I'm telling you something very vulnerable and yeah, okay, there's people who make false allegations. Maybe you're speaking from an honest heart where you think what you're saying is the truth. Not everybody's trustworthy, not everybody tells the truth. But I just, I think that's so harmful to all the, all the, all the people that do tell the truth. It's also harmful to the men who go through it with the false accusations. But I hate to say it, whether men or women, vice versa, whoever's in the relationship i think if you've got to balance you know greater harm greater good i would rather protect the eight people who are victims genuine victims over the one of a false one suffering from a false allegation i know but those people who go through false accusations women or man the man will lose his job no i know he can lose his whole life so it doesn't matter if it's one it's one too many this is true this is true and like i said i've enjoyed this discussion because it's, you're not from the other side, but you're seeing it from your side of the world and I'm seeing it from mine because I've interviewed so many people.

1:47:05I've interviewed victims who've been abused since they were two and three years old. And it's took them 30 years to open up. I've interviewed the men who've had to deal with false accusations because they were suicidal. They could have lost their life all because a woman was angry and bitter. Yeah, it's not acceptable at all. So how do we find the level playing field where it's just fair, but it's not fair. we can't because it can be a different judge it can be a different social worker it can be somebody in the know where it's a cover-up so all you can do is just tell your truth and hopefully god or whatever it is takes you on the right path to then support you because life is full of obstacles it's full of ups and downs we just don't know but yeah if you keep a clean heart and try and do the right things then then you'll be fine yeah i believe the world works it works its way out but we do live in society and because of the people i interview it's hard to then choose sides and go you know what you're right but i've interviewed the two percent yeah the two out the ten who have been fucked over and ruined their life ruined their mom's life and so much bad things so i can't really take sides but i'm all yeah i get that completely people coming forward and saying you know what he's a nasty bastard but okay let me look into it let me put it on the table for all the evidence and people can make their own judgments but we're living in a society now people are just jumping on one side here old sides like I love hearing your story and you going do you know what I think that's wrong I respect that I'm not saying I'm right I could be right that's wrong and you could be right but that's the way I see the world because of the way I've been raised you know and because of what you're going through as well this is the way you're seeing it all and that's okay it's fine yeah exactly it's fine and I think it's always productive to have conversations where there's different sides because a lot of people I don't, it's probably how the algorithm works, but I get a lot of people on my social who agree with me, but that's only as productive.

1:48:54Like I need to speak to people who challenge me and I'll learn more and then I'll, I'll hear the other side and I'll learn, you know, different perspectives. So it's productive to have these two level, two side conversations, but, um, but I still believe I still, I always, I'm quite stubborn. I just believe what I do, but I respect. Yeah, but we're not arguing. But you're still wrong. Plans for the future. What's your plans? Well, I started an organization to help other whistleblowers, basically provide them support, mental health support. And then hopefully the aim is to get some funding in the next few months so that we can give workshops to organizations to teach their employees about whistleblowing.

1:49:31Because they don't really teach you because obviously they don't want you to do it. So that, and then obviously I'm just speaking out and campaigning and I'm just hoping that I can make some sort of change. I've got a few petitions. I've just a few signatures and... Would you get 40 ,000? It was about 40 ,000, yeah. And what was that for? I really wanted 100, but I want them to review the misconduct legislation in policing because it's just really dodge. It's part of the reason why the person I reported was allowed to stay. There's just so many errors in it. And yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to, I mean, I'm not really employable anymore because my digital footprint is covered in me speaking out, but I'm just trying to rebuild my life and just talk to anyone about it and have my organization.

1:50:19And I've... Do you become blackballed when you speak out against stuff? Yeah. In what sense? What do they do? Well, no employer wants to hire someone that's going to speak out if they see wrongdoing, because you're just a nuisance and just going to cause drama. And I'm, if I'm, I've shown everyone that I'm okay going into the media and speaking out. So I guess I'm not really a threat, but like, you know, why would you want to hire someone that might go to the media if you fuck up? So, yeah, I mean, I was applying for months for jobs. Didn't get any. And then I did get one, actually, and got all the way through to getting it.

1:50:51And then when I was on Good Morning Britain and Sky and had my stint there, they emailed and they said, um, sorry, we'll just have to not employ you now. So you just can't win. But, you know, fine. If I just end up in a gutter but still spent my truth, I don't care. I'll be able to live with myself. But I couldn't live with myself and stay in a job that I hate, that's fucked. I wouldn't be able to live for myself like that. So I'll just keep talking and a lot of people agree with me. A lot of people are messaging me and saying they have the same stories. So I'm working with journalists, with other organizations to get those stories out.

1:51:27Because I think if I can show people that you can speak out and it's okay, like the world doesn't end. Like there are so many stories, terrible stories. like I'm talking officers raping other officers and then other officers protecting it I've got so many people coming to me just saying I need you to help me get out there and I'm telling you there's going to be a shift in people speaking out um I think you just need more examples of people doing it um so watch this space I hope in the next couple of years um there'll be a lot more accountability um and hopefully I'll have contributed to that yeah listen I believe so you want a an honest space you want a friendly environment for your your work colleagues but we're living in a day and age where it's fucking all backwards.

1:52:07Yeah. Are you seeing it then with the whistleblowers, a lot more women are coming forward? Is there ever any men? Important to anything to you? Is it all women? Um, I would say it's, it's probably like 2080 to men, like, uh, to women. So yeah, more majority is women. Um, but I, I don't know if that's because I'm a woman, so it makes it more easy. There are some men, um, um, but I don't know if that's, I don't know. a lot of people are scared a lot of people who have come to me are either like yeah fuck it i'm ready to speak out or i'm so terrified they've come after me they'll do this they'll do that or they've done this or done that so yeah i'm sure there's loads of and also i think maybe the stigma with a man speaking out especially in policing i think that's a whole other ball game than a woman speaking out i think if you have a male officer speaking out that's a little bit he'd probably get a little bit more stick than a woman speaking out i feel like society has painted women as moaners and complainers.

1:53:03So I'm kind of allowed to do that because that's what a woman is. But I think if a man spoke out in policing, everyone would be like, what the fuck? So I don't know, but yeah, there'll be stories coming out shortly. And what anything against this guy as well, who got sacked and then got reinstated? Or anything further? Yeah. Well, a lot of the other victims of his misconduct don't want to come forward. so I can't pressure people to do that. I think that I just have to put that to bed. I mean, he's been rehired and that's that, I'll move on. I just, yeah, I'll have to just work on just giving people confidence to whistleblow and hopefully, I mean, I won't be surprised if he does something else one day and gets in trouble again.

1:53:47But at least I've done my bit and spoke out when I thought it was right to. um but yeah i mean oh there's just so many problems but i'm don't worry everyone leave it to me i'm gonna sort it out yeah i'm on for support what you've done to him because that is wrong that is creepy that is i wouldn't want my daughter working on a virus no does that that's telltale signs with who somebody's like is a person listen whatever you do with your partner or whatever behind closed doors and talk about like i say dressing room par or everybody having a joke as long as you're not harming anyone, but if you've got a duty or care for people, if you are really dark and seedy, the signs are there that that's something of.

1:54:28And you have to get rid, you have to get rid and you can't be giving warnings, you can't be giving this, even, I'm sorry to say this, even if you have an officer make a flipping comment that's remotely offensive, I'm sorry, I know it goes against free speech and I know it goes, I know it's woke. If you're a police officer and you're in that specific job, get rid you can't be giving people warnings for sending dick pics or saying the n-word you can't you really can't get rid i didn't say that's woke i think that's just fucking if somebody's sending dick pics that's probably even the comment i because i went on talk tv and they said i was too sensitive with the rape comment so with the slut comment and so there's people have different different levels of you know what they find offensive no for a rape victim and someone saying she's a slut that's different that's not people have different levels don't they But then they could potentially be a fucking nonce themselves.

1:55:18Well that's it. But then the problem is, someone like that who doesn't think it's a but offensive comment, is that there are people like that working in the police in higher up and that's why it's allowed to continue because you've got people who don't think it's that bad and they are sluts. And you know, I've had so many comments on my socials like women are sluts and they need to be called out for it. And you have people with this mentality in high ranking positions in all types of jobs and oh god, I don't know what we're gonna do. How's the mental health, if it all knew? You're getting it together?

1:55:47Fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I was just like really like stressed and overworked, but now I've left, it's way better. And I'm, I actually, it's actually really positive, because I feel happy that I'm speaking out and I'm free. Trolls don't affect my mental health at all. They just make me laugh and I just think you're pathetic. And I like calling them out. It's quite funny. I like winding them up. It's quite funny even more. I'm quite an opinionated controversial person anyway so I don't mind you know if someone a lot of the time when I get really hateful comments I actually burst out laughing because they do make me laugh sometimes um so and it's just a reflection of other people not me um so yeah no mental health good just prodding along through life um just yeah but I'll never ring the police um for myself it is sad I'll never ring the police for myself I'll only ever ring the police for someone if I see them getting attacked.

1:56:39If my family ever have communications with the police, I'm going to make sure I'm there. Um, but I will never ever ring 999. For anybody watching or listening, it's maybe... Who's a police officer wanting to expose some stuff. How do they get in contact? What do they say? How does it work? I don't know. Just visit my site speakupnowuk.com or my own site issyvine, all my socials. You can submit your story, put your name, be anonymous, whatever. Email, reach out for help and we'll help you. Do you think there's a lot of people came forward and they've been totally shut up? yeah I do I do um yeah I do I think a lot of male officers have come forward and then been shut down by their superiors um I think a lot of officers and staff have been told to shut up with the threat of you're not getting a promotion because when I spoke up it started like blocking me from getting other jobs like I wasn't able to because I was like well I'm not staying in this department then because of this shit so then I try and apply somewhere else and they would say no we don't want you here so it you know a lot of people just are they don't want their silence because it would just it literally does ruin your life um I just wish people would just take that that brave step and just go against it not for your own self but I'm doing it for other victims out for victims out there who will need the police I'm doing it for them and I'm doing it for any of my family that might need the police and I'm doing it for if I ever have children.

1:58:11I don't want them to ever be in a position of, you know, danger where they need the police and then they have shit service and shit weird creeps answering the phone. I don't want that and that's why I'm doing this. Um, and quite frankly, to all the officers and staff that are in the police that know bad things are going on and they're not saying anything about it. I know I've said, you know, I understand with mortgages and children and not wanting to use their job. I still think it's not, how on earth can you call yourself a police officer or a police staff member if you can't even stand up for what's right that's literally your job um so i you know that's that's just my opinion i couldn't have carried on you must have finished on a positive did you ever come across positive workers and yeah lovely corpers and definitely workers and good so many call handlers like where you you go they're a hundred they're at least ever a hundred percent but you know yourself but people who are allowed to do the good of life.

1:59:06Definitely. There's a lot of goodness there. There's lots of goodness. It's just, unfortunately, it's just the front line. Like it's the higher up that are not. But no, there's lots of goodness. There's lots of lovely people there. And there's lots of amazing work being done and lots of lives being saved. And, you know, I'm always grateful for all the lovely officers and staff that work there. It's a terribly awful job that you get paid shit pennies for. Long hours. You're not appreciated. You're always scrutinized. but that will never ever stop me from calling out wrongdoing. Do you think people start with a clean heart though and because the job is so dark they kind of just changes them?

1:59:40It's not an acceptable excuse. No, I know but do you think that is a possibility where they do this stuff because they're just fucked? It might do but then you need to leave. Of course. But do you think the job, do you think they're going in? The job changes you. Yeah, could that be a possibility as well? It does. People are all very creepy but maybe just with everything they see it does. just completely such a negative environment it just gives you a good idea. It does, yeah. Did you see that when you were there when people have changed over a couple of years? It definitely does. I mean, before I moved from call handling to dispatching, I was starting to lose my patience a little bit.

2:00:14And that's when I can't be on the phone with people. Like, it's, you know, I don't want to, someone's calling up because they've been raped. And then I'm like, okay, what's going on? Like, you know, losing my rank. It's not acceptable. So, yeah, I mean, it does change you. Sometimes for the good. some people do it and they you know become even better people because they're helping and they find it really rewarding but a lot of people do are changed for the worst and they become numb to it and they become very unsympathetic and robotic um but you know we're all adults here like you need to take yourself out of a job when you're like that you're just it's not an excuse to stay in and if you're not taking yourself out then it's your managers that need to step in and not just sit there on their asses just letting a shit service happen what's the longest you've been on a call for uh 45 minutes was that the suicide yeah on the bridge on the sims how many stabbings is there a day because the figures seem wrong well one every is it one every four minutes or one every oh i don't know about that but i interviewed the guy who was running for london mayor yeah and he says it's so extreme but like 90 percent of it swept under the carpet but is that actual stabbings or is that just people calling up saying that there's been a stabbing because i It's like, was it one an hour?

2:01:28I don't want to make it. But they're saying it's, is it one every day or one every four hours? In the UK or in London? In London. Oh God, I don't know about London, but I'd say maybe for the UK, but I don't know. But then I was one out of like, what, 60 cool hunters at a time. When is that happened? Would you get a day? I'd at least get one. But that would be like a good day. Like I'd have, you'd have loads. So he's got machete, he's running here, he's got a gun, he's got something in his pocket. There's loads. But if you take that from 70 call handlers and that's a few a day then. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:01:59There's, I mean, yeah. I mean, I remember times working in Lewisham on the Dispatching Channel and you just have like multiple scenes of stabbings. One average a day. Sometimes there must be four or five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot of stabbings just for one city. It is. But then you have to remember though that stabbing isn't always like a full knife through. Because a lot of times like stabbings used to come in and we'd all get geared up like, come on, I'll send all the units down. and like, not to say that it's still not bad, but it is just like a minor, like, you know, little cut to the, you know, so I don't know.

2:02:30But yeah, there's shit loads and there's a lot of gun crime. Yeah, a lot. Specific areas. Um, but yeah, there's a fair few of that. Where's the area you got the most calls from? Lewisham. Lewisham used to be a borough. Oh God, Croydon as well. Croydon and Lewisham always used to be a borough that I dread being put on. Um, those boroughs are, horrendous and I feel so sorry for the officers that work there um it's just I mean if I was an officer working there I would just like I don't know it's just dreadful um and they're so under resourced but yeah Croydon and Lewisham Lambeth can be bad as well Lambeth can be really bad covering um London Eye and all around there but um I mean the centre I worked in me only to south so I know there's a lot of bad in north as well so yeah I mean Lewisham and Croydon is not the place to be have you seen it get worse every year yeah it got worse but then i joined in covid and covid was very quiet because obviously everyone's at home so i don't know if i've had a really judge the first couple of years yeah i think maybe what i saw in the last sort of year was probably normal you talking phone thefts don't phone thefts sexual assault oh a lot of petty stuff and a lot of civil disputes like between neighbors and asb a lot of you know there's crackheads coming into my house smoking into the hallway smoking drugs a lot of that um but ultimately it's it's domestics so what's the average kind of wait 10 45 minutes for a police to attend well it depends i mean the first the most immediate response is up to 15 minutes um but it's not always that they make that um but the average if you have something that needs a police response but it's not life or death it will be a 60 minute response but it's very rare that you'll get an officer within 60 minutes.

2:04:17Sometimes you have calls sitting on the list for two days and they're still not attending and then you've got to ring up and say, oh, sorry, I know you were molested two days ago, but we'll come soon, sorry. Or do you mind walking two hours to a station to come and see us to take a report? It's mortifying. So if somebody gets shot or stabbed, have they ever passed away because the ambulances took so long to get to them? I don't know about that, but I imagine I've not directly experienced that. um i wouldn't be surprised if that has happened um a lot of the times the ambulance say to us tell them to just go to the hospital themselves so what happens in that i don't know but i won't be surprised if that's happened i mean i know it's happened you know hearing stories on on the news um but i i know that there's significant crime that has happened that could have been avoided if there was just a better police response yeah it's a dark job and listen any police officers a dark job we've got to see doctors fire brigade anybody in that sort of environment it's a difficult job you know like soldiers you gotta get out things yeah i think everybody needs a bit of help or a bit of therapy kind after that but how are you feeling today good oh good great discussion yeah i respect for what you're doing takes courage and you know i'll support you yeah obviously a few disagreements which is perfect as well you can have healthy topics for anybody watching that's maybe in a life or struggle right now that's maybe battling what advice would you have for them if you're struggling because you know that there's wrongdoing i mean my advice would be to just speak up and stand out but i do understand that it's not always easy um but just seek help just do the right thing and just please i i my advice is to just speak out and you can come to my organization and we'll do our best to help you if there's any worries um but ultimately you have to speak out you actually do i know that there are factors that make it difficult but you have to you have to and for anybody watching again what's your social medias how can people get involved how can people get in contact yeah um so mine is izzy vine socials and then i got website izzyvine.com and then the organization is speak up now uk which is the handle on socials and then speak up now uk.com on their website and yeah just providing help to anyone that wants to speak out and I'm just ready to take down anyone that's fucked up pretty you're going to be in for a tough old job then because we're all fucked up oh someone's got to do it keep up the great work Izzy nothing but respect for you for what you're doing it's bravery and anything I can ever help with you know where I am thanks thank you for having me and good luck thank you you too