My Childhood of Hell - Bodybuilder Aarron Lambo Tells His Story

33:03Aarron Lambo:And of all days, I fucking told my dad about these lads as well. So my dad, of all days, went in to speak to security on that day at this school and the headmaster. And as he's in the security room, they've had a call on the radio. There's some kid swinging a fucking meat cleaver around the canteens. Of course, my dad's gone in there with security and it's fucking me, isn't it? And there's all these lads up against the wall and I'm swinging this fucking meat-naver around. And he took it off me very, very quickly, whacked me around the fucking head, dragged me out. But that was just to protect yourself.

33:37You don't know just because it's drama school or whatever. Every bit I come to you, you're always going to have that fear factor that something could potentially happen, whether it's getting bullied, abused, whatever. So you're always going to protect yourself. But that was just protection. And I view the biggest criminals in the world. And what I see with everyone else is vulnerability. now everyone who holds a gun or a knife what is that? I believe that's their comfort blanket because there's a link to every criminal and every bad guy I meet they've either been bullied or abused when they're younger holding a knife or a gun is a protection because they're so fucking fragile they don't want to be hurt no more so I'll hold a gun or a knife please leave me alone, I just don't want to hurt anymore I believe that is a vulnerability for me that's a sign that they need help

34:18Aarron Lambo:they need protection, they need love every single person has that link every single person everybody looks at you, a big strong guy, successful but when you actually break it down people get a better understanding of who you are and why the fuck you don't want to fail because of all this shit that you've went through in the past and that's amazing I can't fail and it comes down to one word, humiliation I've been humiliated all my life you can say fuck your mum, fuck your sister you can say anything to me and there is nothing that you would be able to do to antagonise me apart from if I genuinely thought there was a physical threat.

34:57Aarron Lambo:But if you humiliated me or there is, you know, where people are laughing at you, there's something smallest. It's like I will just, what do you mean by that? And I'll make it fucking awkward, you know, or I will lose, just fucking explode. It's humiliation. I can't fail because there's too many people that would laugh at me if I did. All my life, I've been humiliated. I can't do that now. From ages of 16 then, after college, after trying to get a job, what was your life like then? Okay, so my dad owned a security company at the time and he knew some nightclub owners and he got me a job glass collecting at a nightclub.

35:43Aarron Lambo:So I started doing that at the age of 15, Break for the Border and Cafe Insane in Peterborough. then there was an element of trouble there I was fighting and then I ended up working in the cloakroom because they had to give me some sort of job out the fucking way because it was just confrontations Did anybody know your past at that point? No they knew my dad and they respected my dad and they didn't want to fall out of my dad so instead of sacking me it was right let's just put him in a fucking cupboard out of the way. I think there was, I think I lasted glass collecting for a couple of weeks, three weeks.

36:25Aarron Lambo:And I was glass collecting and there was some pissed up lads and I think I took one of his, he had a bit left. And I said, sorry, I'm always polite. I've always been polite. And he said something. And I think when they had a conversation with my dad, my dad was like, oh, what were they doing? Were they fighting and Aaron was in the way? And no, Aaron threw the first punch and it just fucking escalated. So he stuck me in the cloakroom out of the way and then I went from there in the kitchen, started doing extra work, pot washing and then I met one of the doormen and become friends with him and he took me to the gym so I started training with the doorman and I was only 15 years old so I started bodybuilding and then at the age of 17 I had a bit of size and then I started the door so I was working on doors that I weren't even old enough to be in Do you take gear or anything now?

37:10Aarron Lambo:Not then, no, I didn't take gear until I was 18 I took one 5mg D-Bowl tablet and panicked for about 20 minutes afterwards thinking I was going to have a heart attack. No, no, not until then. But then that's when I decided to compete. So, yeah. How was that for your mindset, for having panic attacks, breathing difficulties, to then become, to train and build your body up and become stronger? Did that give you a bit of protection? I think bodybuilding helped me, actually. Gave you more confidence? It helped me exercise. Any sort of exercise, you know, is going to involve your lungs and it's going to be good for you.

37:46Aarron Lambo:And I believe the drugs, to a certain extent as well, also help because there's a lot of steroids that are actually, like, for instance, clenbutyrol, which is a very mild one, but that's designed for asthmatics and people with breathing difficulties. So there's a lot of things that I've taken, you know, during training that actually had a good effect on me, you know, with my personal, with my health. but it still hasn't left me i can't run i can't box um every now and then um i do some sort of cardio on the bag but after a few minutes you know i'm um yeah but it's not fucked fucked like you're just out of breath you can't um breathe um in fact i had an accident the other week um in the water we were away with jennifer on holiday and i jumped in and i had to be fucking rescued because swimming then all of a sudden my breathing just fucking went so and I couldn't let anybody know luckily somebody had spotted me and they'd fucking jumped in they'd give me a life jacket and shit man so yeah so the breathing thing's still there then yeah yeah it can be yeah shock to the system just it can trigger things yeah yeah do you panic then did you panic then get into the water yeah I did then yeah panic attack yeah I thought I thought that was it actually um but you know you could say well you know i'm fighting all my life well how's that happened well as you know a full-on fucking scrap doesn't last that long you're talking fucking seconds um so but if you're talking um boxing mma stuff like i could never do any of that i'll be never oh there's no way i would physically be capable of doing it bodybuilding i get my sort of cardio from doing my fast walking i might do a little bit on the bag but then i hit it with drop sets supersets you know and i keep tempo up that way and intensity up that way it's just a different level of training but yeah i do believe it's not only helping me with my health but training has sort of sculpted my life yeah if you think about it in in that sense yeah people think it's easy it doesn't matter what you're taking or where you're training or how many times you're training it is still consistency you're constantly training your videos you're training every day Genetics and consistency.

39:59And you do a lot of reps as well, don't you? You take all the gear in the world, but if you've got shit genetics, you'll look shit. Yeah. So 18, 19, we know 19 was when you got sent to prison. Yep. In fact, nearly five years for this Harry Potter book. No. No? No. What was that, the story of 19?

40:15Aarron Lambo:I had, no, I had a lot of fucking problems. I mean, I had a lot of charges against me. I had six barrier assaults. I had a few with weapons against police. I got arrested for an attempted murder. That got dropped down and I got charged with the threats to kill. There was a lot of things that I had that what happened with the book was one thing and actually only one charge. But as you can imagine, the charge that was in the media the most. And that was just a blackmail. and a theft. So if you add up the other charges, hence the reason why I got... So that was just a clickbait kind of thing then?

41:04Aarron Lambo:I think so, yeah. And that was me taking the blame for something that I actually didn't even do. What was it like then? Did you know? Four and a half? Was it four and a half you got? Yeah, so it got to the point where I couldn't now do the doors because I started doing the doors before the council badge. Then they brought in the council badge. Then they brought in the SIA badge. When they brought in the SIA badge, you're talking... I couldn't even earn money doing what I'd done now for so long. So I was just a cunt, basically. I was doing stupid things for stupid money against people that really, really didn't deserve it.

41:45Aarron Lambo:Getting used? Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Are you capable of ending that age? Still early teens, just still in your teens to think that I wanted to prove something, you wanted to get acceptance for the wrong people? I always wanted to prove something and that's all I've ever wanted to do and I've always been easily led and easily, easily, easily used and when it comes down to it, that's exactly what it was. I even got to the point where there was a court order that I was actually banned from a fucking Kettering, the town, so I actually moved to Coventry at one point. I used to have to have a police escort that would meet me on the A14 just to come in and just to take me to fucking court.

42:24Aarron Lambo:there was there was at that time I had no driving licence no MOT no fucking insurance I remember Arm Response did what they call a hard stop on the dual carriageway they got me out of the car guns all the fucking palaver and I remember the policeman said to me you got any guns or weapons in the car I said no he says well we've been given this information he said you've got anything in the car the arm copper said to me you got anything in the car that you shouldn't have that you shouldn't have have and I said I've got a pot of D-ball in the um in the glove box and he looked at me and he went put it behind the tree before the cavalry arrived so I put it behind the tree the copper stood there and he said I'm only interested in the guns and drugs mate they come they search my car they said you got um uh any idea on you or anything like that um and as I said as they said that they put my wallet out of my pocket I had my provisional fucking driving license on me he saw it put it back in my in my wallet gave my wallet back to me and told me to fuck off so i put all of my stuff back in the boot of my voxel calibra at the time surrounded by police drove off because they were that they wanted me for other stuff to wrap the charges up against me that's how bad my fucking life was at that time you know i was literally um borrowed time you know and and just yeah i just wanted to they just wanted to get me out the fucking way it got that bad i was i was uh being arrested um sometimes three or four times a week sometimes every other week um because people um would say he did this he did that but this was all from the past so i ended up holding myself from a man um when that book incident happened with the book incident um the the the guy um the I didn't even fucking know anything about the book at the time.

44:16Aarron Lambo:I got a phone call to say that there was a deal going down at some time. And I was going to get five grand to sit in there and look after this guy. His name is Christopher Brown. So I was like, well, fuck it, of course I'll do it. All I had to do was wear a tight T-shirt and look hard. So I did it. He was talking to undercover reporters, which I now know are undercover reporters. They had cameras in the fucking tyres and suitcases fucking everywhere. And they would produce the book. and I'm just sitting here thinking what the fuck is this about? Talking about 25 grand, 50 grand and the guy tried running out with the book.

44:51Aarron Lambo:Now apparently it was an unreleased fucking copy of the book and bookies were taking bets on who fucking died so apparently it was worth a shitload of money. I've never read a book in my life until at this fucking point. I certainly never fucking watched Harry Potter so I knew fuck all about it. But what I did have was I had tools and I had a gun and it was a Walter PPK. it was a real gun but I only had blank ammunition so the bullets weren't real Chris shouted you need to get a fucking book back so I ran out there I jumped I've hit the guy he's gone down the stairs I've got the book Chris had run outside and he had a baton and he'd gone after the guy outside and for some reason I went to the fucking kitchen side of the flat and I looked out and when you're talking the sun and the mirror when they go to places They don't come on their own with a cameraman.

45:40Aarron Lambo:They have a security team around them. So there was these two fucking big cunts coming in with the reporter back into the main door. Of course, Chris is on his way down. So I'm thinking, like a twat, I'm still going to get paid. So I need to look after him. Of course I'm not. I'm being used. So I've gone down there, and I'm thinking, I've got to make this look good. So that was it. I started fucking screaming, who the fuck do you think you're fucking with, loading the clip with these fucking blank ammunition? The guys are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I've put the clip in. I've cocked it back and I put it to his fucking head well they've frozen they've stopped so I've now stood there Chris is there I've put it to the guy's head I've now got eye contact with the guy mouth I might hear don't worry it's not real so I've looked at him I've moved the gun away from the head bang and I've put it now if you've ever heard a replica fucking bullet there is no fucking way this guy's fucking here it hurt him right and I've put it to his head and I went tell him again it ain't real Chris and that was it okay we're going we're going we're going they got in the car chris went and i went back up to the flat and it couldn't have been no longer than 15 minutes my fucking heart's going i'm thinking what the fuck has gone on i'm trying to ring the guy that fucking give me the job to be here he's not answering the fucking phone i don't know what's going on that was on the kitchen side i looked out the window and i looked on the living room side which is the main high street called tresham street for some reason i I went to that window and looked out.

47:05Aarron Lambo:There was no traffic down there. This is fucking weird. And I saw this police Volvo just creep, open the door. That was it. Dressed in black, fucking balacalavas, fucking guns running. And that was when I went, fuck. So, yeah, there was a girl that lived opposite us at the time, knocked on the door. I had a couple of guns I gave them to her, I said they cannot search your house they won't have a warrant, don't let them in she looked after them for me and I went downstairs and that was where that was where they fucking How was your breathing and stuff when you're going through like holding guns, robberies is adrenaline pumping that much you get a buzz when you actually breathe better it might sound crazy but do you know what I mean if you get into the water get cold water, panic attack but if you are threatening someone adrenaline doesn't affect no no no adrenaline doesn't affect at all it's a physical aspect so it's the length of fucking time so therefore even now if I was to have a physical fight with you and it lasts longer than fucking expected and I'm out of breath if I don't knock you up with a first punch or a second punch which is what I normally rely on then what I do is I'll have to fucking hold you and choke you because by that time I'm fucking out of breath do you know what I mean does muscle mass come into play as well a lot of muscle mass well that's not gonna benefit me either because that's going to be does that tie you quicker yeah of course it will do so that adding on to my breathing you know it's not good but luckily I've I've been fortunate enough to know how to punch know how to fight know how to to to go on the on the offensive first and make sure that's all I need I've I've been very lucky but if if I've if I was ever in a situation, then, you know, of course, no, my breathing is not going to be able to cope.

49:05Aarron Lambo:But as far as the adrenaline, nah. What was it like getting your five? Because I know you were in the Young Offenders, but they put you in with the lifers. Why is that? Because I got started up. They stopped that in 2000 and 2006,

49:23Aarron Lambo:I think. But it was just before they stopped it, I got what's called start up. So basically you go into a Young Offenders Institute, and you if you hurt somebody it'll become a danger they do what's called start you up and they put you in a normal adult jail and then depending on the category or what wing so yeah I hurt somebody pretty bad and they started me up who was that experience? what? hunting someone else? that was really an experience it's something I've sort of been exposed to all my life, but prison, when I first went in, that was a fucking... That was an experience, but you very quickly get used to it.

50:10Aarron Lambo:I mean, it is, isn't it? Yeah. What was it like being with the leafers?

50:18Aarron Lambo:When I first went to prison, I've been twice. The first time was only for a few weeks. It was just for the same thing, but I managed to get bail for a bit, and then went back in when I first went in I remember I threw up on the fucking prison bus everywhere just nabs yeah yeah a hundred percent because you don't know what to expect then I remember sitting in the holding cell this was when this is the second time so I've just been given four and a half years still fucking processing I'm in the holding cell with other inmates now I've got one jumped up and he's fucking pacing up and down fucking up and down and he's looking at me and I'm like I know what he's doing because of the the way that I looked he's now looking at his arms but he's making it fucking obvious now he's jumped down in front of me and he starts doing fucking press ups he starts doing sit ups I'm thinking he's fucking lunatic please don't put me in a fucking cell with this cunt that's all I'm thinking in my head but he wasn't right he was just a young lad but no fortunately I was classed as a high profile prisoner therefore I wasn't allowed to share a cell so I was single cell they made me share a cell once later on when they tried to decategorise it but then I evicted the guy from the cell so then they recategorised me as a high profile but after that incident happened when they said they're moving me and they're starring me up when I walked into that it wasn't just a prison it was a life as prison on a life as wing and when you walk in there as a 19 year old or 20 whatever I was you're looking at fucking men and that was when I remember thinking to myself fuck how the fuck are you going to get out of this one that seems to be a common thing in my head when I end up in this shit how the fuck am I going to get out of this one but the lifers more relaxed on the YOs the YOs tend to want to make a reputation make a name for themselves YOI is fucking much more yeah fuck my life yeah yeah yeah it's fights every two minutes every three minutes just scrapping over fucking bollocks how's your breathing and stuff and a cell Aaron do you not get panic attacks in here just very no you gotta remember the breathing and the panic attacks are completely different yeah right so the breathing is is is um that's that's that's from birth right right the panic attacks is from my mental illness right the panic attacks have got a hell of a lot worse um with my ptsd as well since i got stabbed so the when i said about my accident uh the other week that was a panic attack with my fucking breathing that was why i needed fucking help but all my life um no i haven't suffered with panic attacks all my life that's only up until um uh up until i suppose early adulthood right but before then it was just um the breathing disability um side of things um but no the cell no the cells are the fucking cells are cells what happened when you get out of prison then what was your life like then Were you thinking I need to change or was it straight back into crime?

53:45Aarron Lambo:Prison was a fucking eye-opener. But then when I come out of prison, things weren't the same. Why? Because I wasn't the same.

54:00Aarron Lambo:The stabbing, the head trauma, I suffered that in prison. So when I come out of prison, there was a lot of now things I have to deal with myself, with my now paranoia, with lifelong fucking disabilities, injuries. There's a lot of things I've now got to take into account as well as try and work out how I'm going to sort of settle back into fucking society again. But again, if it wasn't for my grandmother, that wouldn't have... Good for me. No, that wouldn't have bothered me. She's like your angel, she's like your rock. Anytime the shit hits the fan, anytime I'm in pain and misery, she's there to put you pulling the pieces.

54:45It's funny that, because if you're going to do bad shit, I bet it's your gran that popped into your mind. And you probably stopped yourself from doing a lot worse things to when she pops into your mind and you go, fuck that, I'm not going to let her down.

55:00Aarron Lambo:If I didn't have my grandmother, there would be no shadow of a doubt in my head that I wouldn't be doing life in prison right now for something. If I didn't have her as... I suppose. Yeah, and it upsets me because it's a fact that we have only what we got because of her bringing us together, sorting me out. Even she believes that she hasn't sorted me out, but she has. But if it wasn't for her, then I would have, yeah, I'd be in prison for life. I can very easily go on that self-destructive mode, 100%. and there's things, I've had fantasies about it, hurting people, destroying people that have hurt me, that have done the mildest fucking things to me or somebody.

55:50Aarron Lambo:And there has to be a reason why I haven't. There's been an element of hope there. My man gave me that element of hope just until the point of my first child being born in Leah. And then your kids change it, then you've got another bit of hope. and then you know Archie was born then you've got another bit of hopes now you've got three things that are now holding you down then Kalil was born now you've got four things then you start building something in your life now you've got shit to lose but if it wasn't for her then none of all of that would have happened yeah when you start getting responsibilities it changes things doesn't it yeah it changes everything you need to grow up you've clearly had to grow up a lot faster than any other any other kid and even having your story today, it's given me a better understanding of who you are and you've got a whole lot of respect from me even more brother for what you're doing and how you're speaking and it's phenomenal, I know you'll be proud your sister, it's fucking unbelievable and I didn't realise half of this if I'm honest, I knew your story to an extent that's not even half of it I knew your story to an extent but I never fully understood you but I knew there was a story there and you should be proud man you should be proud because it takes so much courage and it shows you your character.

57:07It shows you your character. So, where did you get stabbed?

57:11Aarron Lambo:In the head. What, a blade? Yeah, what they called a shank. Yeah. So they took it out of engineering. I'd hurt somebody. The original argument started over a sausage and I hit him with a spatula. That was the original. That's like a fucking comedy. That's like a comedy sketch, that. That was the original fucking argument, if I'm honest, which actually happened a week before the actual last conversation, which ended up being over toast. That's like a fucking comedy sketch. Mate, and people think I write this up. So I wasn't allowed to be given a job, plus I used to refuse to do a lot of work. But there was a lad that I got on with, and I was purposely fucking rude and arrogant in prison.

57:57Anti-authority, though, and rightly so, though.

58:00Aarron Lambo:Yeah, there's a certain way you have to be in prison. Some people think just keep your head down, get on with it. you can do that if you look a certain way if you look a bit different you can't do that and you either to keep your head down sometimes you've got to be a little bit fucking snappy and if people and that's how i've been all of my life people don't know how to take me and that for me is like a little security yeah of course that's a protection though because every time anybody that's ever come into your life they've fucked you over back in the day so i don't find awkward situations awkward i can keep silent i can you know i can i can make something awkward but there was one lad that I got on with and me and him got given a job on the servery and we said fuck it we'll do a laugh we'll have a laugh now I used to sell the porn on the wing and he used to sell the tobacco we had a fucking what we were doing so we were selling the muffins that the inmates were getting for free the desserts back to the fucking inmates anyway we had I was working on the servery everybody gets asked in the morning what you want for dinner do you want sausage or do you want a burger, for instance?

59:05Aarron Lambo:So you'll click sausage or a burger. So the prison officer's standing there with a fucking sheet, and he will come up, and he will say, right, English, you're down for a burger. So then I'd go to put the burger on. Well, this lad decided he wanted a fucking sausage. Now, I know how this sounds, but the thing is, what you've got to think of is they've only made a certain amount of sausages and a certain amount of fucking burgers. So now, if I give you that fucking sausage, Crusher ain't going to have anything to fucking eat. Right? and he's going to fucking blame me. So I'm thinking, what do I do?

59:37Aarron Lambo:I've been put in a fucking situation here. So I looked at him and I said, mate, you're down for a burger? I said, you can't have a burger. And he's looked at me and he's kissed his teeth and he said to me, bruv, listen, he said, I'm having a fucking sausage. Give me the sausage. And I'm like, you're not having a fucking sausage. Right, my mate's looking at me. He's like, Aaron, just give him the fucking sausage, right? And my mate, he's a pro boxer, but he's, you know, one of them ones that don't look violent. He's so funny. He just don't want a confrontation. he's like, I ain't giving him a fucking sausage for fuck's sake.

1:00:02Aarron Lambo:And he's trying to talk to me, but without the guy knowing that he's talking to me. I'm like, Scott, I ain't giving him a fucking sausage. Fuck him. The guy's looking at me. He's on remand for so many fucking shootings. I think. Stealing sausages. He's this fucking big, tall, mixed race guy. So I've got a fucking, a bit of a way to fucking jump as well to hit him. But now he's doing that thing where he won't look at me. now he's looking at everybody else as he's talking to me shut your mouth man give me a sausage I'll take the fucking sausage and I'm like I'm over here if you're going to talk to me have a conversation with me fucking look at me don't be so fucking rude and you're not having a sausage you're nothing for a fucking burger I've just told you you're not having a sausage well I had the spatula in my hand so he's kissed his teeth and he's gone to take the fucking sausage so I fucking slapped his hand with the spatula and it's really hurting right because it's a metal fucking spatula right so as I hit his hand with the spatula Scott has just fucking started laughing.

1:00:58Aarron Lambo:The screws have fucking started laughing. Everyone's fucking laughing. He's now fucking like pissed off. And then it just fucking escalated, didn't it? So I'm now trying to get over the fucking surgery with this fucking spatula. I think I managed to catch him on the head. I think as we were getting, I was getting pulled off and managed to fucking hit the spatula. And then he was mouthing and then that was it. I think it was a week later. They give me, they said, right, do you want to work on the surgery again? I said, all right, fine. I'll work on the surgery. I said, no trouble. boss I didn't fucking start it last time he wanted a fucking sausage he was down for a fucking burger what do you want me to do so they put me down there they had a word with him everything was all right he would look at me I would look at him and that was it same lad came down and uh he had his tray and he went through everything and my job now was handing out the bread all right so I've got a loaf of bread in my hand and this is what really escalated everything just when you think it couldn't um he's going with his fucking tray and he gets his food and he turns around now he's in front of me so i've got two slices of bread in my hand plus the the the fucking bag of bread and he's just looking at me but when he's looking at me literally it's like this i'm looking like this right he's fucking tall and it's it's just awkward he's not saying anything i'm not saying anything there's people waiting they've got some people that want bread so i'm like all i said to him was do you want the fucking bread or not that's all i said to him he he kissed his teeth again

1:02:26Aarron Lambo:he then turned around to the officer Mr Clayton I remember his name looked at him and he went I'm going to fucking bang Lambert so Mr Clayton looked at him and went go on then thanks very much right so he's fucking turned around as he's turned around he's turned his back to me and he's put the fucking tray on the counter and I'm thinking I'm fucking giving him a chance am I so he's turned around and I've just gone bang I've hit him it was a brilliant one as well sparked him he's gone right round and dropped dropped fucking out of it so i thought fuck it jump in so i was gonna fucking start stamping on him i went a bit fucking ape shit sort of create a scene in the fucking wing you know what i didn't realize if me and you go to prison for assault or theft we go to prison somebody goes to prison for gang related crime they all go to prison together on the same wing together so as i've done that screws pressed the alarm they've come in they broke it up stop fighting they fucking got me that fucking popped my eyes behind my back all i hear is fucking what when i turn around then i see him all up the stairs and i'm like here we fucking go so then you've got to put on a fucking front in you um and then that was it for a few days i then found out that um there was some plans to fucking do me um with his friend because we got separated then um with one of the guys that he was a co-D with.

1:03:50Aarron Lambo:So he wasn't on the wing nut. And they were planning to do me an association. So this is what you've got to think. You've got to think, well, are you going to wait until your adrenaline's down and then they catch you unaware or do you just fucking start it? Well, the way I see it in prison, if me and you were having an argument over a pool table and you threaten me and say, Lambert, tomorrow morning you're fucked. I'm going to bang you. I'm going to attack you there and then. Fuck it. Because I'm not waiting until tomorrow morning. I'm going to give you then time to think what you're going to attack me with, who you're going to attack me with.

1:04:19Aarron Lambo:Because they're not just going to, the likelihood of them just having a one-on-one bare knuckle in the prison yard. Trust me, people, that doesn't fucking happen, you know? So you obviously want to be in control of whatever scenario is going to take place, in my opinion, okay? So that's how I've always dealt with it. So I was told that this lad was planning to have me over. So as soon as they unlocked me, I stormed into a cell. There was two other lads in the cell. He was on the bed and I had him. by the scruff of his neck. Even when I think about it now, there was other two there. They could have done something.

1:04:51Aarron Lambo:They didn't. And I'm screaming at him. And I'm saying to him, you fucking plan to have me. I've heard this, I've heard that. Man, but I ain't got an issue. I ain't got an issue, bruv. That's between you and him. That's between you and him. So I let him go. And I called him a fucking pussy and I walked out. As I walked out, I walked up the stairs. All three of them came out, ran up. One of them had a, I think it was a peg or something. out of engineering, off of a motorbike or something, and one of them had made a lighter, sorry, a knife out of lighters that were melted together, you know? So they made like a plastic knife.

1:05:31Aarron Lambo:So they've gone up, ran up, hit me in the back of the head. As I've gone down, they've gone to fucking stab me in the throat. But my head has gone down, so as it's gone down, it's gone straight through, and it's snapped inside my jaw. So, but because there was a lot of blood, they thought that they'd actually got me. And then when I went down, and the only reason why I know this is because I saw the CCTV after, then all three of them were stamping on my head and that was it, I was fucked. The prison officers, there was two prison officers on the wing at the time, a male and a female. The male ran off the wing, pressed the alarm and locked the door.

1:06:07Aarron Lambo:The female stayed on the wing. And she saved my life. She ran over. and from what I see, jumped on me, bear hugged me. And where they were kicking me in the head, they were now kicking her shoulder, they were then kicking her in the head, they were kicking her in her back, they were stamping on her. And if she never had done that, from what the doctor said, it would have been seconds, yeah, dead. Did you ever speak to that woman? Afterwards. We joked afterwards because she had to get a new uniform. She was covered in blood but never spoke to her again. I don't even know her name. So yeah, she was incredibly fucking strong because she didn't have to do what she did.

1:06:52Do you feel blessed, Aaron? Even all the misery and torment you've been through, do you feel blessed to still be here to raise a family, to now support your own family, to now running successful businesses? Do you see yourself as being lucky still to be here?

1:07:07Luck,

1:07:08Aarron Lambo:well, what is luck? Luck is what you've been given, right? Right? Nah. I think luck is what you make it. Yeah, make your own luck. I agree. I was put in that situation because I acted a fucking twat. Do you think that brought you down a peg or two then? I was put in the situation in care because of my mum and other people in my life allowed me to be put in that fucking situation. I'm in the situation that I'm in now because I fucking choose to be. So I've now decided to create my own luck. Now I've decided not to fucking fail. So what is luck? Luck is what you've been given, so no. Yeah. So you believe you can create your own life, you can write your own chapters and create your own future through everything now because we spoke earlier and you are in control now yeah yeah full control so when you get out of prison you had to go through all that the stabbings well before that i had to learn to um do some um uh language therapy learn how to pronounce pronounce words again to forget um yeah because i suffered um a part of brain damage so I had to I lost all fin of my legs for four days couldn't walk we didn't know whether that was going to come back again my teeth ended up being all cracked then you've got your speech then you've got your words even sometimes now I say my words back to front stumble now I wear I'm not wearing it today but I wear a hearing aid because now I've lost 30 % of my hearing in that side my glasses this is complete glass this is see-through this now my eyes like an egg so there's a lot of things that I had to do is then you've got the mental health side of things which is the fucking paranoia so when I come out of prison um you start to have a fight and this is what my counselor was telling me I'm not fighting somebody or if I'm the first to attack if there's if I genuinely think there's a threat and the reason why is actually you hit the nail on the head at the beginning of the interview is because I feel scared so I'm now scared that that's going to happen again now because that happened everyone's a threat to me no matter how big or how skinny so if I think it's going to go one way then I will be the one to attack first and then I'll fucking make sure I'll make an example of it but you try and explain that in a court or something it looks like that you're the you know aggressor so you know and I've suffered with PTSD from that and that's a fucking scary thing sometimes you sit on the on the stairs just fucking crying sometimes you think the closest ones around you are the ones that are trying to fucking hurt you I was having an element of that yesterday whether or not and it's constant you're fighting your fucking self along with everything else that's happening within your day-to-day life and the job on the internet which you know isn't fucking easy so you're having to juggle all of that plus learn how to deal with with this that so new people don't even know how to handle it yet not even us we're self-taught um so there's a lot to fucking um deal with but when i when i left um how old were you coming out of prison going through all that 23 so even though i only did just under three years in the end because i went in at the end of the year i ended up being in i think for three birthdays so I was about 23 when I came out.

1:10:22Still a young boy, still young,

1:10:24Aarron Lambo:doing through all that. Straight back to my nan's. Was that the angel? Straight back to my nan's. Yeah. And I stayed with her, I think, rent-free for, it must have been two weeks, and she went into the kitchen, come out, and she went, right, I love you, but you're going to have to find yourself a job. I don't need the money, but you need to pay me£30 a week. I remember the words,£30 a week. And she tried not to cry because her bottom lip was going. She didn't want to say it, but she said, you need to learn to pay bills. And then she went, that's all we're going to say on the matter. And she walked into her room and I was like, fucking angry.

1:10:59Aarron Lambo:But because of her, I went up the trading estate. Was that to give you some structure, some purpose in life to get up and make some money? I don't know. I don't know what it was with my nan. I think she just,

1:11:15Aarron Lambo:it's just life. I think she just wants to teach you life. skills bills basic little things learn to pay stuff um and not take things um too easily but of course you know i when i come out of prison um i i still did um illegal things to get extra fucking money um i ended up um doing really well out of it but then what i was is i was sensible and I invested that money. I never did it for the show and tell stuff. I had some really close friends at the time that are my best friends now and one of them said, if you're going to do this, fine, but don't spend money on your cars, don't spend money on your appearance, start buying gym equipment, put it in a container, start doing this and that's what I did at the moment.

1:11:59Aarron Lambo:I got the gym, that was when I knocked it on the head. You always visualised having a gym? Yeah, I wanted one. What age did you start doing that? I wanted a gym from the age of 14. what age did you get one? I said I would have one by the time I was 30 I got one when I was 28 love attraction is a powerful thing did you understand any of that back then? no I believe that I believe if you want something bad enough you'll get it and you won't know how you fucking got it but you got it there's things like that that are happening now but yeah at 28 30 was probably the worst time of my life and then from 31 onwards that was when everything fucking changed Why, 30?

1:12:45Why was that the last time?

1:12:47Aarron Lambo:30 because that was when the depression was at a high Was that? Yeah, that was when that was when when I lost my last son yeah and I lost everything I lost my business I lost my gym I don't know well nearly lost my gym nearly lost my gym I think in life man you've got to hit rock bottom I think that's where you find out who you truly are is when you've got fuck all when you've got nothing left that's when you dig deep and find out okay I'm ready now it's not about why me it's about trying me it's about I believe that's when you find your answers now life when life is going great you're never going to learn but when the shit hits the fan I believe this is when you learn and either decide to be who you're destined to be or you stay where you are do you know what I mean at least you made the sacrifices and the changes to kick on and better your life.

1:13:39What was the video with a PC dickhead? Because that shot you into social media stardom, that.

1:13:44Aarron Lambo:That was, that was because of Lindsay. So I'm going to tell you a story. Okay. All right. After everything that I've gone through so far now, I'm 28, got my fucking gym. The gym ended up being the best. I'm not exaggerating. The best gym in the whole of Northamptonshire. 29. years old 30 and I meet so I've got two children Aliyah and Archie and me and their mum are fucking best friends she she now works for me after Kirsty I met another woman called Lindsay and then met her when I opened my gym and then she got pregnant with my son Khalil okay so he's one years old I go to the gym one day luke who's my business partner at the time a friend of mine uh tells me he doesn't want to be involved in the gym anymore um he his missus had a b and a bonnet about me being involved in the gym basically what was happening was um he would open the gym at seven in the morning i would take over from one till nine but he wouldn't go home until about five or six what he was telling his missus was i was turning up late not once he was staying on to personal train some of the female clients and doing his thing.

1:15:01Aarron Lambo:So, of course, when all that got caught out, he pushed the blame. So what I did is I went to the bank to go and get a loan. The bank said I gave them all the details that they needed and I took my best friend with me, James Collier. James, as you know, he's very well-educated and he's a very smart man, very logical. So he's with me. I remember the bank manager, she said to me, I've heard this before she said you're not a partner on a business I said of course I am I said it's all my equipment she said no she said he registered it as a sole trader in 2012 never registered it as a partnership right what about the business bank account it's not you it's not a business bank account it's an add-on from his personal account he's just changed the name of it I said well I've got the password to get in it she went you might do but if you went into the branch they wouldn't know who you were right okay so basically for the whole two and a half years three years that we were together every credit card payment that was getting put into the gym was going straight into his personal bank account I went up and see all my friends Simon Phan told him what happened and I'm about to lose this gym Simon come out of the gym out of his reception with 25 grand in cash that was all he had and he said give him this he said how much the gym means to you no contract no nothing so I took that money and I met up with Luke in the gym he said but I haven't told you that I'm willing to sell I want the gym and long and short of it is I had a conversation with him and I made him realize that it was it was better off taking the money and he took the money 25 grand the next day I rung the landlord and I said to him listen Luke's off the lease I just want to inform you can we get a new um uh lease please remember the landlord saying to me please don't tell me you've given him the money already are you aware that you haven't paid the service charge and maintenance charge on the building for the last three years and you owe me 18 grand.

1:16:58Aarron Lambo:So I've just borrowed 25 grand off me, mate. Lost it the next day and ended up 18 grand in debt with 90 quid to my name. So, I, rung him, rung him. I had a disagreement with him. It was what it was. I'm now trying to work hard to now keep this fucking gym maintained by it. Who was there for me again? Me nan. So there's me nan lending me a thousand pound each and every month and I was paying her back that£1 ,000 of in the month just to pay the rent on my house. But what happened was I was getting more and more in deep. In the end, Harry, my little brother who was working for me at the time, was getting quite concerned about me.

1:17:54Aarron Lambo:I started doing videos on training this is how it started all of a sudden I started having a bit of a fucking following it went up to something like 60 ,000 just on training people were loving it people were coming down they were paying for PTs they were driving all the way from Manchester and I'd be in the fucking cupboard crying my brother would be like listen I don't want to hear your shit go and train cry in the car afterwards that's what I was fucking doing I was trying to get my head around it so we were working from sometimes 6 in the morning till 10 at night it got to the point

1:18:26Aarron Lambo:where I was that fucking, that low, and I didn't have anything, right? So I'm lying now to Lindsay, telling her everything's going to be all right. I stayed in the gym one night, and I filled a syringe up with insulin, and I cried that much. I fell asleep with it in my hand, and I woke up the next morning. so I went to I tried to go to a doctor they weren't really taking me seriously came to came to Christmas 2014 Christmas 2015 Christmas and and it was it was a couple of days after, it was the 27th and I was working at the gym late and Lindsay had messaged me to say that my Christmas presents have arrived late and she said, how long are you going to be baby?

1:19:33Aarron Lambo:So I said, I'm on my way home. So I drove up and I got a long drive and the lights were all on in the house and I went into the living room and it was all Christmas presents wrapped up and a dictaphone saying play me with a post-it note play me you lying cheating bastard luke told me about everything told me about this woman told me about that woman never cheated on it once not once wrapped all the christmas presents now all the presents that i've maxed out this 800 pound credit card buying a guy upstairs and um my son was gone that was it that was the last time i I saw him so I fucking lost it and I think it was a week later Harry turned up at the gym six in the morning and a fucking a bailiff had repossessed the gym so with a dog so you can imagine Harry's ringing me at six in the morning I'd lost it I wouldn't see him fucking nothing I drove down I got out of the car I said you need to move the dog the guy's like security with the dog back away from the door and I'm like I'm pleading with you everything I have is in that building if you if I lose this I have nothing you need to move and he's saying I'm secure it with a dog I said if you don't move I'm going to shoot you I'm going to shoot the dog and I don't know how I said it but I said it in a way where he believed me and then I said I warned you and I walked to the boot I swear to you James I had nothing in the boot but a towel so I rolled the towel up and he moved the dog put it in the back of the fucking in the van as I walked I noticed his keys took his keys as I noticed his keys he had a fucking hatchet on the dashboard right that's my get out of jail free card I know the police are on their way the police have come down we're gonna have to arrest you for possession of firearm I've got no firearm check the CCTV it's my CCTV it's nothing but a towel okay we're gonna arrest you because you've broken in, he's took repossession of the gym for non-payment of rent.

1:21:37Aarron Lambo:It's not non-payment of rent. I've paid my rent. Here's my receipts. It's now a civil matter. This is over, you know, service charge and maintenance charge. And I said, I now want to put in a complaint before you start doing anything. He threatened me with an axe. He's got an axe on his fucking, on his dashboard. So he turned around and they looked at him. You're a legal bailiff. Why have you brought a fucking axe? I'm now in fear for my safety. Can we come in and take a statement? No. Close the fucking door. That was it. My accountant, who's a good friend of mine, he come over to the gym and he said, Aaron, listen, let me have a look at your lease.

1:22:10Aarron Lambo:I'm not a lawyer, but let me have a look at your lease. He said to me, your car is on finance, your house is rented. He said to me, Luke owns his own house, he owns his own car, and his dad was a guarantor on the building. He said, what you need to do is you need to move your gym yesterday. He said, it's your equipment, move it. and he says they'll go for him so I was driving my friend was in a car with me and I was driving over where is it Earthling Borough and as my mate's talking to me again you can imagine everything's just going fucking in my head and he said are you going to move the stuff I had 300 quid that I managed to borrow off my mate that's all I had in the fucking world apart from that other 90 quid that was to live on as I'm driving I noticed Earthenborough Traveller site I've looked fucking pulled straight in no warning no nothing my mate's like what the fuck you doing I've drove straight in all these travellers have come out I've got out first thing they're thinking is there's going to be a confrontation so some of the wives have come out the guys have come out who you're looking for and then this one guy come out and I didn't realise that it was his site but he sort of kept quiet and I said I ain't here for any trouble I said I'm pretty much in the worst position of my life and I started fucking crying and I said I've got to move a lot of stuff and I've got 300 pound to my name and I need a van and I need some help but I need to move my gym otherwise I'm going to lose that and I'm going to lose everything and they did helped you yeah within probably a couple of hours I was driving down the dual carriageway on a flatbed with a couple of draflers with all this fucking metal gym equipment hanging off the back of the van I managed to get a unit, three months rent free and started the gym.

1:24:06And then that was it.

1:24:09Aarron Lambo:A few months into the gym, the gym was doing good. I'd met Billy, Billy became a good friend. And then I lost the fucking plot completely then because then they wouldn't stop trolling me. And then I went and I got a gun and I went to drive to Luke's house. my brother had known where I was going he tracked me on track my iPhone blocked the road and a couple of days later I went to Jamaica Do you feel as if you were getting bullied again that brings back a lot of emotions for you when you were younger people trolling Tell you what I couldn't get over I couldn't get over what he had done to me took everything from me and I've never let anybody get away with that level of fucking humiliation towards me in my fucking life never ever ever in my life and never since do you think that's what gave you the fuel then to put into the fire to make you succeed even more that you didn't want to feel that pain anymore you didn't want to no at the time I didn't want to fight anymore I did that I took I took the gun Harry had blocked the road I got out after that I sacked everyone by whatsapp I told Billy I didn't want to see him I told everybody if they come to my house there'll be a confrontation close the fucking gym and I went to Jamaica when I went there I think it was the day before the day I arrived Harry said to me when I was doing my bodybuilding bits to get my money when I didn't have much money we got busted but I still had some machines he said can you still make that fat burner because you made a fat burner you developed one I said I did it but I didn't I never really pursued it but I said I've got somebody that can make it for me so I rung my friend up that I'd done business for a long time and he was looking after my machines for me.

1:26:01Aarron Lambo:And I said to him, can you make me these? This is how I want it made. And would you be able to do it? I can't pay you now, but I need this amount. And he said, but I'll pay you when I've sold it. I had 260 ,000 followers at that point. And he said, yeah, no problem. I did it and we put them up for sale and we did 17 and a half grand in one hour. That was the moment then everything changed. changed your life that moment everything that was one hour then we put them in sale again another 17 grand then again that was just over one day three lots of 17 you're a fucking workhorse so it's gone from having bailiffs at the door to one minute and then next minute I ended up spending three months in Jamaica I came back a completely different person because I didn't go where the tourists went I went in the hills when I came back that was when the PC where the police thing happened yeah so you potentially could have been go to jail for murder went away come back and your life totally transformed yeah yeah when i came back because i started putting the successes online and then i started saying how we were now reinvesting back in we were going to now do um pure alphas you know testosterone we started doing other things but then i made a vow that i was going to make stuff myself because i've been in the bodybuilding industry a long time i know how the companies rip people off so i started talking about that then i started doing seminars and i started doing gym appearances Then I did three tours of Ireland doing gym appearances.

1:27:26Aarron Lambo:Then fucking all of a sudden, everyone's booking me to go to different places. People are paying up to£130 to have a fucking PT session with me, which now I literally wouldn't have the fucking time to do. Everything just blew up very quickly. But because it blew up very quickly, then Lindsay and Luke started ringing the police and saying, Aaron's selling guns, drugs. So now I'm on my headstrong. I come back. I find out that Billy's been running my gym for me for free. didn't close my gym when I told him to so he's been running my gym for me for free didn't want a fucking penny for it so when we started making it I said why do you want a job now he's been with me ever since started training people we getting people come travel from like I say Manchester Scotland Ireland wherever some people even traveling from Canada to have a PT session what happened armed police coming to the gym arrest me in front of my clients well I've got a client on a fucking machine head down they've got guns pointing at me guns drawn yeah so what do i do i get my friend to record it they release me without charge they come around my house accuse me of not having a fucking driving license okay record it release me without charge they come into tesco's in front of my mom accused me of possession of a firearm possession where okay put me in the cells for 11 hours release me without charge i'll record it all that did was backfire on them enhance your profile i never intended it for that um what i intended the reason why I started filming them is because I've been there on so many occasions where a police officer say I pushed him or assault police you know and it just fucking escalates I didn't want any of that because I hadn't done anything wrong but fuck it I put it on the internet yeah it's going to embarrass me at my place of work I would embarrass you it's as simple as that you are a work course you're constantly promoting but it's funny how how the authorities have fucked you over when you're younger but your videos on them enhance your career and end up you're already In a good place You were already Making your supplements How are you so clued up With the supplements Because you've got One of the biggest Supplement companies In Britain I've got the biggest The biggest Sorry There you go The biggest So you've got The biggest Supplement It's one of the biggest In the world Yeah you've got One of the biggest Supplement companies In the world How Has a boy Turned into a man For all the shit You've been through To then running The biggest supplement Company in the world One of the biggest Companies Soon to be number one In the world Then fuck it Because of Because of the team That I got trust everyone now the team that I've got right now implicitly I trust them with my kids I trust them with my bank details I trust them with my life everything I've got some family that are blood in my team and I've got some friends in my team but in my team they all mean to me more than any anybody ever could sorry from them how was it when you were getting arrested and they felt these videos have been viewed tens of millions of times because that must have been through your start of your transitions because that's when I started following you was when the PC dickhead and the police videos because your videos are totally night and day now from then, four or five years ago till now you became a totally different animal where do you look back at those videos and kind of cringe or do you go, well fuck it, that was part of the process to what you're doing now?

1:30:36Aarron Lambo:I cringe in the fact because at the time I was embarrassed I was getting humiliated. When the police turn up to arrest me they don't need to park their fucking at my place of work but they don't need to park their car, an armed response car, the other side of town, and then march me through fucking town. That isn't how they're taught to do a tactical fucking arrest, you know? They did that on purpose to try and humiliate me to try and ruin my fucking business. And you're coming to my house telling me I don't have a fucking driving license, but I'm showing you my counterpart, but your systems are down, you can't check, and I can get my car back the following day with the same fucking forms.

1:31:12Aarron Lambo:you just fucking there's no reason for that that's why I get the camera out but let me get let me make this very clear I believe when you get if you're lucky enough to get a social media platform as strong as yours or as strong as mine in my opinion you gain a responsibility now it's very careful I have to be very careful not to betray hatred against the police because I don't hate the police for one fucking second if my daughter went missing tomorrow my son went missing tomorrow they'll be the first people that I call and I've got a lot of fans that are police officers what I don't like what I do have a problem with is individuals individuals that abuse their position whether they're in a media position or a police position um I don't like that and um and that is what I will I will uh fight against it's about it's not always about who's right and who's wrong sometimes it's about what is right and that is what um what i primarily base my videos on it's like when i stuck up for um not just muslims in manchester but muslims around the fucking world when the horrific manchester attacks happened that video of mine had over 60 million views i had muslims around the world fucking saying how refreshing it was that a white guy with tattoos on his fucking face is actually sticking up for us.

1:32:33Aarron Lambo:Of course I don't fucking condone what fucking happened in Manchester. No person in their own fucking mind does. But don't call that person a fucking Muslim. The guy's a fucking lunatic. He's a fucking killer. He's a fucking, there's something not right about him. And somebody said, well, if that was your kid that got fucking hurt in there, you wouldn't be sticking up for the Muslims then. If that was my kid that got hurt in there, I wouldn't be having to go at fucking Ali at the corner shop down the road. It's fuck all to do with him. What has he got to do with it? It's about, what you're doing is generalizing others.

1:33:01Aarron Lambo:and I see things and I now have a platform. So now people listen to me. You know, kids that fucking don't really have much listen to me. People that are living the life of crime sometimes listen to me. People that do normally have a lot of hatred in them sometimes listen to me. And if you've got a platform, you can make people think before they fucking act. So I use a lot of my social media for that. And I don't want to portray hatred against the police. I've been pulled fucking how many times by the police? Even recently, you know? And even one woman from my number plate, bless her, she pulled me.

1:33:36Aarron Lambo:She didn't get out the cart until the backup arrived. There was loads of police cars. I got out, I smiled. I said, are they for me? She said, yeah, I need to talk to you about your number plate. I said, no problem. I said, it's on the dashboard. And she looked at me and she smiled and she went, I'm surprised you haven't got the camera out yet, Aaron. And I went, why would I do that? I said, you've done nothing to me. Just when I've been prepped. I'm not going to put somebody on the internet and potentially ruin their career and life just to get fucking views. They've done nothing to me. They've treated me with respect.

1:34:02Aarron Lambo:If they're going to try and abuse their position, abuse their power against me, then I've got my fucking power. And my power, in my opinion, is equal to theirs. I've seen how powerful that is. Do you think they could have planted stuff on you if you never videoed them at that point? Do you know what I mean? And I'm scared of that now. Yeah, still? Even though you're on a good path. I'm telling you now, looking in your face, I'm fucking petrified of that. Petrified. Because your life's going so good. Whenever I'm in the UK, I don't drive on my own. I try not to. This is the reason, because I'm scared that that's going to happen.

1:34:36Aarron Lambo:I'm scared I'm going to lose everything I've got. I'm scared that I'm going to bump into Alouk and I'm going to walk into Nando's. I'm going to walk into somewhere. You're taking my money off me at that point because of you, I've lost my son. I can't just allow you to walk away. so what I do now is I know what I know what I will do so what I do is I don't put myself in that situation I try and stay when I'm in the UK at the gym at the coffee shop or I'm around people or I now have people that I pay to look after me and it's the same in the car because I don't trust that they won't pull me over and put something in there you've got to think of what I've earned out of them they've spent a lot of money trying to fuck me.

1:35:23Aarron Lambo:Even up until recently, they've just taken, they've tried to sue me. I've had the chief constable of Northamptonshire Police versus Aaron Lambert. And I've had a court case for the last four or five months, which we've just won. So now not only have they lost everything, over the PC dickhead stuff. Still? Five years ago? Yeah. And they started the court case when? About four or five months ago. What could they do you for, though? Harassment. Harassment. I think the long and short of it is they wanted to get a court order against me, a gagging order, so I'm not allowed to post against the police in the future.

1:35:55Ah, fuck.

1:35:56Aarron Lambo:I said I'm not going to do that because that's breaching my human rights. And in order to get a court order in place to do that, you have to pass a law of parliament and then you have to take me to the high court. Now, I know this because I researched all that myself and as Natalie's in there is my witness, I was in court, Chief Constable versus Aaron Lambert. I had the team of their police behind and three of their fucking legal team and I represented myself and I won. felt done again with correspondence every legal letter I wrote them was what I won I researched and I fucking won but they haven't but I think what they were intending to do is once they got that court order imposed on me then through the police federation you've then got PC Dickhead and the other officers they could then sue me off the back of that so that was the intention of it but they lost but yeah you're not getting done for you were providing your insurance and and licensed so you weren't even doing anything no so that's why then you're still wary of if they've got that order in place then they could have planted something on you I saw it on my team I don't fucking trust anybody yeah no I don't fucking trust anybody it's as simple as that yeah but you've got to to feel that way brother because everything you've went through do you know what I mean so see when you started the supplement company and things started booming how were you feeling when your social media was rising when it was hitting millions of followers and you became very successful was there a moment where you took a step back and done do you know what man I'm fucking happy was there a moment that you appreciated life about because no we struggled to do that I think we have this conversation regularly and I feel that if I do start doing that then you sort of take your eye off the ball yeah we have the conversation but I don't I don't think I can it doesn't seem real it's weird doesn't it none of it seems yeah people keep telling me you're doing well you're smashing it you're killing it nothing feels fucking I couldn't even explain it to you James and do it justice.

1:37:49Aarron Lambo:What you've seen, which you're telling me is incredible. You're saying you should be fucking proud of yourself. I'm proud of what you've achieved. And what you know is fucking, is to the scale of it. And this isn't me. It will sound like I'm boasting, but I'm trying to explain. And even as I'm explaining the scale of it, the stuff that you don't know how fucking big it actually is. I wouldn't be able to do it justice. It's fucking mind blowing. Yeah, it's crazy, man. but I love that shit that's what fucking that's what turns me on see when people who've came for the depths of fucking hair and make changes and that I watch your videos and you're on boats you're driving Lamborghinis listen I know the majority of people are going to fucking so fake remember yeah of course apparently listen but fuck what anybody says apparently but see what happens in life people are going to look at you and go fuck him but you're going to else give the other half inspiration if he can do it then I can do it that's what I want to do set a platform a boy which came from fuck all and self made I'm creating everything myself and people go do you know what if he can do it I can do it the haters fuck them man that's just the shit in your shoe what they've got to realise is we only put on the internet of what you want people to see so people criticise me you own all this money but I don't see you giving any money to fucking charity that's because I don't do it for views yeah we've done a lot actually for individuals haven't we and you don't do that what do you do with your money no it doesn't I've got the right to earn my fucking money how I want to fucking earn it and I've got the right to spend it how I want to fucking spend it but what I'm not and I don't need anybody's approval on this is I'm not fucking fake so you know I know when I watch these other social media public figures and they're fucking you know they're making sure they're recording everything that they're giving to somebody who's disadvantaged or whatever there's a reason for that okay if you get offered to do a charity appearance or somewhere that's what it's there for okay because you're bringing awareness to it when i'm treating members of the team fucking course it's costing me a fortune i love them to bits and we're fucking getting views out of it brilliant but when it comes to a fucking kid or somebody who's less fortunate um and especially things that we were doing over we were arranging over the covid period you know for um um some of some of the some of the elderly as well we didn't fucking announce that once and when i contacted somebody to to and and gave him a load of money and told him to distribute certain things.

1:40:13Aarron Lambo:He even said to me, Aaron, which business do you want me to advertise? The vodka, the supplements, this. I said, none. Let's talk about businesses. Because they don't need to know who it's from, right? How many businesses you got? From someone who was flat in their ass, 300 pounds left. I see you constantly working in cafe shops. You've got clothing brands. And the mental brands. We've got the mental hamster, which is the bread and butter. That's the supplements. We've got mental culture, which is the clothing. We've got mental vodka, which is the vodka. we've got Mental Monkey which is not just a coffee shop it's our actual own brand of coffee everything that we've done we've gone straight to the source straight for the heart and we actually want to own it so the vodka there is no big company that makes ours like White Label we make it ourselves the Mental Monkey Coffee that's our own registered blend the supplements we own every single machine that makes every single supplement so from the factory to the warehouse it's all yours yeah it's phenomenal it's fucking phenomenal and I know you definitely have to be proud and your your gran and fucking it's unbelievable you should be proud man you should sit in a room or get into a toilet for two minutes and go look yourself in the mirror and go do you know what I'm fucking proud because sometimes we can work too hard mate and forget how far we've come sometimes we can concentrate on another finishing line if you want to get another shot or a new supplement sometimes we don't enjoy the journey and life is about enjoying the journey and that's what I need to do me constantly working but sometimes I feel as if I'm missing out on a lot because I'm working so hard I just don't want it to stop because I know how much misery I had in my life for 32, 33 years.

1:41:49I'm searching a good place, things are going too good but when I know they're going too good, I know shit's just round the corner but I can handle things in a better situation now. I don't react through a drink or drugs or hide. I handle it like a man, I face on and just go fuck it. But for all your achievements you should be proud and this is the first I've met you in person and I'm proud because people are going to watch and go fuck me what a story and i've interviewed 120 people i believe this is one of my best if not the best very powerful brother very powerful right from start to finish i want

1:42:17Aarron Lambo:to make it clear before um before we end there'll be a lot of people that do inbox and they watch this and they think fucking hell success is the key to fucking um uh helping helping your mental health and the reason why i'm not getting excited when you say about you should you should um you know get excited about it and feel proud of it and yeah i do and when i have um my bonding moments with Natalie or with a team and I have some good days especially with my kids it's great but you've got to remember that mental health doesn't give a fuck about how much money you've got in the bank or what car you drive sometimes it can wake you up hi hi Aaron it's me we're spending the day together today and we're I'm gonna remind you of everything maybe your son remember your mates remember when this happened remember that and you've got a fucking day of it And anybody who suffers with mental health knows exactly what I'm fucking talking about.

1:43:09Aarron Lambo:And that, it doesn't get any fucking easier. In fact, sometimes if you think about it, you're more at risk. Because now I have a lot more. And there's people that are willing to take advantage. You said it yourself about sharks. When you become successful, they're just fucking out. For every, you think you're working hard to earn your money. And there's somebody working twice as hard to take it from you. So now you have to protect yourself. And it's constant fucking paranoia, constant fucking protection, constant second guessing. Then you've got the responsibility, everybody relying on your decision to make things right, to come up with something fucking good, as well as dealing with your own fucking issues.

1:43:51Aarron Lambo:So it's, I wouldn't change my position for the world. Yeah. Because I get to see my team and me experience stuff that we've never experienced before. And we get to help a lot of people along the way. There's no fucking better job. Yeah. but make no mistake it ain't fucking easy yeah but again it doesn't matter you're fucking doing it you're the prime example that can't be done and all the external stuff I know people going yeah but it's different if you're staying in a big house and driving a Lamborghini all that shit is irrelevant because if you're not happy with Finn everything else means fuck all it means fuck all I drive about a 300 pound fucking Mazda or a Vectra as I'm more financially secure than I've ever been when back in the day I wanted to have the best the biggest all the bullshit of the day when I had fuck all now I'm actually happy I'm travelling and I ain't going, fuck all, I've got less.

1:44:37I've got fucking less, but don't get me wrong, I'm going to get a bit of luxury at the end of the year, so if you want to pass me one of your Lamborghinis, it's more than open, do you know what I mean?

1:44:44Aarron Lambo:No, I think you're being a bit hard on yourself. You know exactly what you want to do and how you're going to do it and how you're going to use people, me and other people along the way. And when I say use, there's nothing wrong with using people. There's nothing wrong with the word manipulation. People use the word manipulation always in a negative way. I've manipulated the fuck out of you. You're not going to manipulate the fuck out of me. there's a difference between doing it for a mutual benefit and then doing it for a selfish benefit you haven't paid me to come on here I haven't asked for anything I know exactly why you fucking want to interview me and you told me on the phone I know you're going to get the views but at the same time I've also watched some of your interviews and I know that you're going to ask me questions and I know that I don't ever refuse to answer difficult questions so it's a mutual fucking benefit where it the problem comes is when people try to manipulate people for self-gain yeah you know but that's a successful business man in my eyes of a business woman you see what you can do coming on here and i see i potentially know your story i know the following you've got i know the traffic you're going to bring everything i do is for me i've got family support but there is no bullshit i've still got an agenda you've got an agenda everybody's got an agenda but that's where success comes because you can see success from it and positivity same as myself first before we finish up your tattoos are explain your tattoos you know because i know everything means something to you your tribal tattoos is that a tribal tattoo on the face like is it maui like new zealand does is that like the fucking all blacks the tongues out the original one i had on the face uh meant something this one sort of does but not in uh not in a meaningful way as in me but the original maois were done with dots and the guy it's the closest you're going to get for the original isn't it he did it with the machine so if you look it's actually not lines it's dots but each triangle means strength power when you look into the original Maui warriors each shape will mean something.

1:46:41What about future plans? What's your visions? My visions? New ideas, new goals, moving away, traveling the world?

1:46:56we're just taking it day by day

1:46:57Aarron Lambo:I have a five year plan which I'm not going to tell you fuck all about but as far as as far as what's my plans now I mean we've got things going on with the company new products that we're bringing out the company is getting bigger and bigger we're now expanding it over in Spain as well Listen, my plan now is...

1:47:27Aarron Lambo:My team have helped me get in the position that I'm in. Some of my team, including Natalie, my sister, now my business partner, is now in the same position as me. But my now long-term goal is to get every member of my team in the same position as me and give the two children that I do see all the time the best life that I can possibly give and only hope in the future that I can maybe do something with Kalil but that'll happen my plan right now moving forward each and every day what fucking inspires me to keep moving forward knowing that I'm waking up every morning and because I'm breathing that's really fucking someone off knowing that the people around where I live in North Ants they have to see monkey they have to see mental hamster they go home entire turn on fucking sky store they see the lambo movie they go on amazon prime they see the lambo movie they've blocked me on all social media platforms but their mate dave has just shared a video and it's come up that that is what really inspires me i'm just relentless where does the names come from mental hamster monkey um yeah no no we had alpha alpha training and the bigger the company got we realized there was nine companies in England alone called Alpha and one of them was already registered so you're opening yourself up especially when you're as controversial as me so we had a day of brainstorming and Harry actually come up with it he said what about we were using gorillas and all sorts he said what about mental hamster mental hamster and he looked at me and he went you name me another animal that exercises twice a day on a fucking wheel that's true and then he said to me would you put your finger in a cage with a mental hamster I was like well no there you go and he went what a piss take so So we turned up at Body Power, the biggest fucking exhibition in the UK.

1:49:21Aarron Lambo:Everyone laughed at us, said that it was going to be an epic fare, and we dominated the fucking expo with a hamster. And from then on, we wanted a coffee shop. So I was in a furniture shop, and I saw this picture of a mental monkey, and I just went, fuck it, mental monkey. Now we've got mental vodka, and now we've just brought another mental something, which I can't say now, but life's mental, right? I think we've proved this over the last six months with what's fucking going on mental is probably the best fucking name I could probably have used to call a business to describe me and the journey listen brother for coming on and telling your story and later says 10 minutes ago I believe this is one of the biggest podcasts that I've done with your honesty and your honest I think people are going to see the vulnerability and the sensitive side to you and not just the man who's successful in business, you're also a friendly guy very loving and caring towards your family I've also seen your videos where you're taking your friends out and family members and getting them cars and giving back and that's a beautiful thing man that's a position I want to but very soon and I will be very soon that you're an inspiration and when I watch your stuff I go fuck me man fair play and listen I'm still a generous person I still look at people and go back fucking bastard I want do you know what I mean I'm not going to lie I still fucking want that but I ain't going to I did that when I got my when I got the boat the other week and I saw someone with a bigger boat I was like prick he's probably the nicest guy in the world he's a prick today he's a prick for anybody struggling for anybody struggling with mental health or being abused what advice would you give for them Aaron don't fucking give up what anybody wants you whether someone from your past whatever it may be the ultimate goal is to get you to give up and I ain't giving up it doesn't matter whether we're fighting and you're and you're a lot tougher and I'm losing I'm just going to keep getting up and keep getting up and keep getting up and that's how I treat life.

1:51:12Aarron Lambo:I can't give up. I'm relentless. And that's, you're suffering with mental health, what you've got to understand, as dark as it may be right now, you have to believe this is the worst it's ever going to be. And that is how I now, I use this saying a lot, right? I always say, now, as good as it, this is the worst it's going to be. So you set this level. So you're saying with your 300 pound car, with what you got now, the people that you've interviewed, think about it. This right now is the worst it's ever going to be. Because of the people that you've interviewed, you're only going to interview bigger people, more people.

1:51:52Aarron Lambo:So this right now, and you're happy right now, this is the worst it's going to be, James. So my position right now, I've set this level. This is the worst it's going to be, right? So now it can only fucking get better. So when you're in the darkest fucking place, it doesn't matter whether you're in my position, your position, or whether you've just lost both your fucking kids and you've got a fucking rope in your hand. Right now, it's the worst it's ever going to be. So what I'm saying, it's only going to get better from it. It can only get better. It's impossible to get any worse. So all you've got to think is, right now, whatever your position is, it's the worst it's ever going to be.

1:52:27Aarron Lambo:Yeah, I love it. I always tell people, you've tried 100 % your worst days. So you're right, mate, you've got to kick on. But Aaron, listen, I thoroughly enjoyed your story, brother. Thank you. Look forward to your success even more. then I'll be keeping my clothes on. So do I. Yeah, thank you.