My Life of Hell Trapped in Bangkok Prison - Oliver Hardy Tells His Story

27:07I'll be honest, the immigration prison is the worst. if you're talking about like hygiene, the area itself, uh, there's a lot of violence in there, but it's just a between, it's between foreigners, and it's not like a, there's no stabbings or weapons. It's just like, everybody's pissed off because they're trapped in this room and they, they start fighting each other. How many people are in this room? This is when there's like 120 in the room. And how long are you there for? There's loads of English there. I'm surprised people don't have video evidence in this place, because it's shocking. All human rights are exposed, and the people, most of the people in this prison, aren't actually convicted criminals.

27:43They've just overstayed their visa. So to put them in these sort of conditions, I mean, I've been to that place, uh, one, two, I went there three times. So I went, when I went there the first time before I went to the prison, then I got pulled out when they told me I'm going home. And then they slapped more charges on me. They put me back in the prison. Then I've done my whole sentence. And then on the way home, I've gone back to the same place. So like, I've been to this place three times. So then even the workers now know me. They're like, oh, you're back, you finished it. All this. The conditions in the immigration jail, especially as a British citizen, are the worst I've ever seen in my life.

28:19It's nothing, you can't even compare it to the Bangkok prison, in terms of hygiene and like human rights. There's a toilet seat. So the worst time was on the way out, on the way home. But I knew I was going home, so I survived. The toilet wasn't even working. So you can imagine, there's three cubicles, 120 men, all in a room. You're not allowed out the room. You're allowed out the room once every 10 days. For 30 minutes, they take you downstairs to bring you into like a small basketball court. But there's no sunlight as well. It's all trapped in. So you're trapped in this room pretty much 24 hours a day.

28:53Everybody's cramped up because there's 120 people in the room. The room's probably... Probably from the end of that wall to the door, I'd say. So you can see how big the room is. 120 lads in there, all different nationalities. They're split up into different rooms though. So like the one I was in was the international room. Then they've got like an African room. Then they've got a Chinese, they've got like a few Chinese rooms because there's a lot of like Chinese mafia in there. And they're paying their way to do extra things. But as a, as a, as a normal foreigner, you can't, you can't seem to work it out.

29:25But there was no phone in there, but for the Chinese, they've got their phones and they're allowed downstairs. They get visits, takeaways. What about the food? The food in there is the worst. Uh, they just basically... It was like a watermelon stew. So it was like chicken, but they've got bits of watermelon in there. They're serving on plates which they haven't washed. I never ate the food in there once. I had a bit of money on me, and you could buy, like, pot noodles. So there's a shop inside your room, but it's like three times the price of, like, a normal shop in Thailand. And that's how they're making money.

29:57The whole place is, uh, just a money-making scandal in that immigration area. They're just, uh, just taking the piss out of everybody in there. So they're charging you. If you want to get cash, you have to give your ATM card to them, tell them your PIN, and then they go and give you money and then bring it back to you. Uh, you've got to use your phone to contact your family. Imagine you're stuck in there. There's people who have been stuck in that immigration prison for upwards of 11 years. That's the highest I saw. And they're still there today. So there's a lot of Russians in there. I feel bad for the Russians because obviously the war, they're not, they're not actually taking them back.

30:32If no way you're getting out of there. I mean, we're, I'm lucky to be a British citizen in there, because if you didn't have any money, which I did, and I did pay for my own ticket home, but you can sit on a waiting list. And usually as a British citizen, if you end up in there, you'll be in there for like a month, six weeks, and they'll pay for your flight. Um, and then when you get back to England, they'll take your passport off you. And then until you pay back the money they've lent you, then you're not allowed to leave the country. That's the rules. Pretty good that though. It's all right.

30:57But I mean, At least you've gotten out. Yeah. You know, imagine me stuck in there for 11 years. Was anyone getting robbed for the money? Petty robberies, bro. You go to sleep, you wake up, you got a little bit less money. Not to myself, but I have seen that in there. Not on the last time, but on the time when I was in there for the middle time, which I was in there for about eight days. Where do you put your money? Where do I put my money? In your balls or anything? No, I like it with my balls, just in a zip pocket, but like, to be fair, I enjoyed it more in the immigration prison because I was around a lot of foreigners.

31:28So there's other British lads in there. There's like Brazilians. there's loads of people you can speak to and have a conversation with. There was a lot of times in the prison, I mean, the first two months when I was in the Bangkok Remand prison, I didn't speak a word of English to pretty much anybody, you know? And that makes you go crazy, that puts you into like a bad, bad sort of place. What's the sleeping process in the immigration prison? So the immigration prison, you walk into the room, there's a room leader who wasn't the room leader when I first went in there, but by the second time, um, the room leader was the guy who was still in there.

32:01He's from a weird country, I don't even know the name of, and he can't contact his, uh, he can't contact his, uh, council from his country because they're not responding or something. So he's just stuck. So now he's the room leader in there. He's a nice guy. What do you tell people to eat? So they don't... There's no lights out in any of these prisons. That's like one of the tortures of the thing. So you're now sleeping with, imagine that sort of light beaming in your face, I mean, for a year and a half. So it's all definite sleeping patterns. Nah, I mean, in the IDC, yeah, you sleep, like people are staying up until like 4am, going to sleep, waking up at lunchtime.

32:36But in the Bangkok prison and in the Thomburi prison, where I was, there's very strict rules. I mean, you've got to wake up and pray. Is that cunt having wanks and all that? Yeah, all the ties, those stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I paid to be in the VIP room in Bangkok when I got to the main area. But I mean, when I was in the first two months, yeah, I mean, everybody's just wanking around, just being all weird, yeah. An all-new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks. But it feels like there are no friendships left in MomTalk.

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34:03Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have eczema. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about eczema? EbGliss, Lubrikizumab LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema, also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies. EbGliss can be used with or without topical corticosteroids.

34:37Don't use if you are allergic to EbGliss. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with EpGlis. Before starting EpGlis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lilly. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about EpGlis and visit epglis.com or call 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. So what was it like then going to Bangkok prison? What are you thinking then? Did you think I could potentially be getting over 30 years, yeah. So that only came four months later, you know?

35:12So when I... So I've gone from the immigration prison, I spent two days in there, from the Saturday to the Monday. On the Monday, dragged out of the room, taken to Rachada Court, which is the biggest court in Bangkok. I've been put in front of a screen, a screen judge. They're saying, do you go guilty or not guilty? They're all speaking in Thai. I don't even understand a word they're saying. I mean, I've learned little bits of Thai, but not to have a full-blown conversation to understand like the law or something like that so I've got now a lawyer next to me who is just a scammer but we can talk about that in a bit um and he's just saying look go not guilty on this one obviously I was going to do that anyways I've gone not guilty took about five minutes I'm chucked in a waiting cell was in there for six hours then they they chain you up on your legs and your and your arms like this um so you've got two chain like a handcuffs on your legs together, handcuffs here, and then we've been walked in.

36:06Sometimes you're attached to somebody else. So you're either by yourself or you're either attached. So you've got two ties on you, depending on, I don't know, whoever does it or what the situation is on the day. So then as soon as I got into that prison van, I knew where I was going. And that's when something in my head just switched. And I really understood where I was going. I've seen documentaries. I'm sure everybody's seen a documentary in the past or, um, banged up abroad or something like that. I've seen these programs, so I knew where I was going and yeah, what to expect. So I kind of just put myself in a decision.

36:43I mean, we're driving through the streets of Bangkok to the prison, and I was just thinking in my head, right, I need to now become a different person. I need to become the toughest person I can be and basically portray somebody who I'm not, you know? Luckily, as we spoke about earlier, the situation in Bali happened. So I've got a huge scar here, scar here, scar here. It looks like I've been attacked by a machete or something. So I looked like a bit of a criminal sort of thing. And maybe that's why I was just forced into the prison instantly anyways, because they maybe just judged my character.

37:17And yeah, I thought about a hundred different ways that things could have played out, which they didn't. What are you thinking, Fosnit and Bangkok? First night, we get put in the room. I'm just seeing my surroundings. Luckily, that first room, there was a guy called Sirupop, and he is a Thai government activist. Which, yeah, I shouldn't speak on too much because it's like about he goes against the king and stuff like that. So that's why he was put in the prison, but he could speak English. So he was talking to me through and just explaining a few things. But first thing, there's three guys covered head to toe in tattoos in my room.

37:59I was like, they're the problem. Need look out for them. Yeah, so I've got my surroundings, I've got a nice spot under the fan, I pushed everybody out of the way, got a good spot. Bearing in mind, look, I'm six foot three, I'm a big guy. So that did help me a lot going into that prison. I've seen other foreigners who are a lot smaller go in there and just get gang raped, you know? So, like there was a German guy later on in the journey where, yeah, he got like, he got done by all the mafia, like, but that was not in the VIP room, that's upstairs. Um, but yeah. Like I said, he got raped by like 10 to 12 Thai Mafia in one night.

38:33What, are they all little poofs? This German guy, I don't know. I didn't know his case, but he was very weird. When he came into the Den 4, it's called, so this is when I'm in the main wing, I always go up to the foreigners and try and speak to them when they come into prison. Um, because this is now like, yeah, maybe six, seven, eight months into my journey in the prison. And I tried to have a conversation, he didn't say a word to me. And then looking at him, I thought he was a pedophile. So we, my little gang, who were pretty much all the foreigners, we just washed our hands with him. And then we obviously found out and heard that night that he'd been, yeah, fucked out by like, yeah, 10 to 12 Thai Mafia all at once.

39:14Which are the guys who wear the white shirts and they're basically in control of that den in that prison. Because the prison guards don't actually really operate inside the wings. They employ prisoners who work for them to control everything. So the whole prison is run by prisoners, if that makes sense, to a certain extent, within the inside. And then on the outside barriers, there is the, the guards who like sit in there, just, they just sit in their air conditioned office and just watch the cameras. Um, so when there is a fight, I mean, you can imagine, there's no way anybody's getting helped.

39:50So that guy's been raped off 12 definite men? Yeah. Unless, if he's a f***ing pedophile, I don't care. But if he's not, that's heavy. Well, we kind of just judged it like that, I'll be honest. I mean, you can tell if somebody's dodgy. This is not factual evidence. I didn't see his crime. Usually, on all of the doors, you can see everybody's crime. But it takes like a month for you to get on there. And by that time, he'd already been raped and he got bail. So, he got out, luckily. If he was a pedophile, it's obviously not lucky, but I can't. So what were they doing? Just taking tons each? I don't know, I didn't see it at that time.

40:23I've seen one rape in there, which we can talk about, but... And that happened in the first week of me being in there, in that room. So I've got into the room, as I said, there's three guys who I'm like, right, we need to keep an eye on them. None of these guys are as big as me though. I know if it came to it, I can easily hurt everybody in this room. So I wasn't worried about my safety that much, but it was just like, oh man, I just don't really want to be dealing with this. And the way they were talking to me, they kind of gave me respect to these guys so these weren't the guys who attacked me because that was in a different room about eight uh six to eight weeks later when that happened but these guys they gave me a little respect and they were just meth heads man so they'd come in there they'd sleep all day so throughout the whole day they'd be asleep like they didn't even wake up or they'd just wake up to quickly eat food and then they're on a come down for like a week so they're basically just sitting around and just sleeping most of the time but one day um i've like woken up in the middle of the night i've got my night t-shirt on on top of my head like this because obviously there's the beaming lights and i'm just laying back like this asleep and i can just hear like some noise in it and i'm like right what the fuck is that it's obviously not exactly near me but it's about two and a half meters away to the right here i look up and i'm like this just peak Obviously I'm laying down on my back.

41:43I look, look there and I can see two of them holding down this other Thai kid and one of them fucking a minute. And I'm like, oh man, he's not my mate. Whatever. I've just got here. It's my first week. This ain't my battle to fight, you know? So I just literally, night t-shirt back over the thing. Went back to sleep, I'll be honest. Woke up in the morning, uh, two days after that. And the kid who'd been raped, he was actually clearly disabled. Yeah. He's like got like a deformed hand. he couldn't speak well. Obviously, I couldn't hear what they're saying anyways, because they're speaking in Thai, but you can just tell the guy is disabled.

42:17Um, and he's like then fought back against, uh, the one who was raping him. They've then got into a tussle. The guards have come smashing in the room, smashed the fuck out of both of them, dragged them outside. Um, and then that's when I first saw like huge punishments being taken place for things. And I was like, right. So they were dragged out the room. Everybody can see because the cells in in the start, they all face like this. You can see onto like the playground sort of area, but everybody's trapped in their room apart from the workers. So they've now been dragged out into this playground place, put on the burning, burning tarmac floor, and sat to leave there for like two hours.

43:00Then they've been, the guards have come over, who are the prisoners, and put like a towel, towel on their face and start like pouring water on them, like a, like waterboarding them sort of thing. And just completely fucking with them, like really like torturing them. And I was like, oh man, like if this is what happens when you have a fight in the prison, we don't really want to be fighting in the prison, you know? So the kid who got raped was still being tortured as well? Yeah, the kid who'd been raped and the guy are both getting attacked and basically tortured in front of everybody to watch.

43:31And it's like a, I consider this like a warning because this is now their introduction block. So I'm like, right, they're making examples of people here. So when you get to the main wings, you're not acting up. That's what I thought. And also, as soon as you have a fight in the introduction wing, boom, you've got the chains. Like, they have not the same chains as the prison, because they look like handcuffs, but they have a bigger version. And they're bent onto your leg. So there's not a key for it. They literally weld them onto your leg sort of thing. So you get put in this machine, which puts the metal around your leg and clasps you together.

44:07And then there's a chain in between. And then you have those on for a minimum time of three to six months, if you have a fight and get caught, and they decide to put that punishment. So there's some level of protection in those prisons from the screws. This is what we fought. So in the introduction wing, these were the rules in that wing. Fair play to that kid as well, fighting back, you know? Yeah, fair play to him, man. And it's difficult a situation to be in to try and remain calm or silent, because you know there's a potential it could happen to you, you know? Getting involved, you're gonna get shanked, you're gonna get chibbed, you're gonna get stabbed, you're gonna get raped.

44:41So it's a difficult one to then go, what the do you do, you know? What do you do in that position? You know? I felt really bad bro, I'll be honest, because like, I'm the first one, if I saw something crazy in the street in London, I'm the first one to run over and help and sort it out and stop like a violence. So I saw like a man hitting a woman in the street, I'd go over and sort him out, you So I really felt like I should have done something in that incident. But because it was the first week of me in the prison, I didn't really know my surroundings, didn't know what to expect. I was like, what am I going to do?

45:10I'm going to get up now, stop the rape happening. I mean, he's already been raped. Like, he's being raped already. Like, I don't know. I thought about that for a long time, I'll be honest. I feel like I should... An all-new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+. Four years ago, we were just making TikToks, but it feels like there are no friendships left in mom talk. You act like you're better than everyone. You're not. I can't trust anyone in this group. She's just dead to me. There's so much the public doesn't know. Watch the new season of the Hulu original series, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers.

45:49Terms apply. Your favorite friend group is back. FX's Adults follows five roommates living in New York, leaning on each other to navigate love, work, friendship, and family. while tackling pressing questions of your 20s like, what if the person who inherited your fake ID is cooler than you ever were? Why does being around your family make you regress into your worst self? And how do you tell your roommates that you have other friends? FX is Adults. All episodes now streaming on Hulu.

46:23Hey, it's Kelly Rowland. You may not know this, but I have eczema. So I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over? when you can talk to your doctor about EbGliss. EbGliss Lubrikizumab LBKZ, a 250 milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema. Also called atopic dermatitis that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals or who cannot use topical therapies, EbGliss can be used with or without topical corticosteroids.

46:56Don't use if you are allergic to EbGliss. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with EpGliss. Before starting EpGliss, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. Paid partnership with Lilly. Respect your time. Ask your doctor about EpGliss and visit epgliss.com or call 1-800-LILLY-RX or 1-800-545-5979. I should have or should have not done more in that situation, but maybe I'd done the right thing for myself. Yeah, because it's a dog dog. it's a dog-a-dog world, you've got to look after yourself, especially on those environments.

47:33But that is a fucking tricky one as well, you know? But what's the daily routine like? What's the daily routine like in these prisons? Okay, so introduction wing is very different, but still, you're waking up 6am, forced to wake up, sit like in a Buddhist position and pray to the sounds of the Buddhist music sort of thing. 6am, they've got another one at like 1, and then they've got another one at 6pm. in Bangkok prison. In Tonburi prison, they've got that, but then they've got like another two in between. So now they're making you pray like five times a day, forced prayer as well. So like, even if you're Muslim, or to be fair, they do actually have Muslim rooms, um, separately when you get into the main wings, but like anybody else.

48:18Any Catholic rooms? No, no Christian rooms, no Catholic rooms, nothing like that. Just Buddhism and... Well, Buddhism is forced on everybody. And then the Muslims have, obviously, I don't know how they've done it, but they have their own rooms. Fuck me, man. There's everywhere they sort of... Yeah, they seem to be... They seem to be sorting themselves out. I don't know what... Was it a better... People are pretending to be Muslim to get better food. No, no, to get better food. Was it better jail time, if you were? Better food, 100%. 100 % they get better food than Muslims. So, like, I did see people pretending to be Muslim.

48:50A lot of the time, they're just pretending. A lot of people in prison go with the flow because they're protected by the brothers. Yeah, they get better food. Like I said, survival mode. You can't judge that position unless you've been in it. People just need to survive. Some people get forced to join the religion. But if it's better present time and you just want to survive to get home, then you do what you can. I mean, if I had no money, and I didn't have, like, my account stopped up, to be fair, for the first 10 days, I didn't have any money on my account. So I was forced to try and eat that food.

49:21But I'm sure they are, like, spiking the food. Like, it just smells, literally smells of, like, piss and shit. So I think like they're like punishing people and either pissing in the food, shitting in the food. I don't know what they're doing, but it's inedible. What are you getting? So you get, in the introduction you're getting like a bag of rice and then you're getting like a bag tied up of whatever concoction they've made. There's meat in there, there's chicken in there or pork or whatever sometimes. Um, but yeah, it's toxic. It's, the smell's not right. It's not normal. It like, uh, I don't know.

49:53I tried it and I was like, right, I can't eat that. So for the first 10 days, I just like either didn't eat, going on like three day fasts in between, and just having like a little bit of rice. Or to be honest, there was a nice guy in that room, who he was an older Thai guy, and he obviously had his money topped up already. And he'd give me like a mum of noodles, or a little muffin cake, or some stuff from the shop, basically. A little milk. Obviously, you want to keep your wits about you. How did you train? Sit-ups, press-ups, were you doing any sort of thing? So in the introduction wing for the first two weeks, I'm literally just doing press-ups and sit-ups, because I mean, yeah, you're in this room all day, there's nothing to do.

50:27Press-ups, sit-ups, non-stop. I'd even get like a water, like a huge water, which they have in the room, which might probably weigh like 25 kilos. I'd get like a towel like this, what would be one of my shirts, put it in it, and then like try and do some lifts like that. Just work with what I've got. When I got to the main wing, there was a big guy, he's from New Zealand, and he's like a part of the biker gangs in Australia, uh, and he was arrested in there for a crime he'd done in America, um, to do with like the phones, like, kind of like an Enko chat, but it was called Anom. Um, and he has a gym in Phuket.

51:02So he, um, had shipped somehow all of the, his old equipment from Phuket into the Bangkok prison. So they like, the prison guards loved him. He, he kitted out the Den 4, which I stayed in for the majority of my time in the Bangkok remand with, with, uh, old gym equipment. It was really old gym equipment, but it was, it was real gym equipment, you know? It was like... That's the good stuff. It was very good. It was surprising. People were paying a minimum 10 ,000 baht, so about 250 quid a month from other wings to then be brought over to our wing to use the gym. Was he making money from that? Or was the guys making money?

51:37No money. No money for him, for that. He was allowed a lot more stuff than everybody else, like a lot more restrictions. And he looked after me. He really did look after me. Who was your friend in there? who was my friend. He was one of my very good friends. He sorted me out. So basically, they're Baker guys. They're Baker boys don't fuck about. No, they don't. They're some of the most ruthless cunts in the world. I drive my Harley now, but it was only a few years ago. I'm not in a gang or fuck all. But I know people who are. Yeah. And I know how loyal they are. And I know they don't fuck about.

52:08I saw that side of them. You know what I'm saying? You know, the levels and the depth that they've got, the Baker stuff has kind of went not so quiet in the UK. There's still a lot of little gang wars and stuff, But the brotherhood within the biker community You don't fuck with them Because the ones You fight with one, you fight with 100, 200 They ain't fucking around America and Australia are a different ball game You know, there's so many different gangs But they're all carrying guns They just fucking blow your head off Here it's more street fights And people are getting done But I know the loyalty within the brotherhood And it's the goal If they care for you They fucking care for you Because it's a world within a world, isn't it?

52:47the one percent club it's the beautiful big bastards those bikers but they don't around with them they always seem big not so much in the uk but this guy was a unit he was a unit tattoos everywhere yeah this guy he wasn't like directly uh part of the the bike gang but he was affiliated with a bike gang in australia called the kuman chiros and his like a cousin was one of the top guys in that in that bike gang so he's like affiliated with them but he's not directly he He had his own little, he was in Thailand by himself, but he was affiliated with them and everybody kind of knows. He's got the same last name, I won't say his name on here, but he's got the same last name as somebody who's up at the top of that gang.

53:26So everybody knows him. So did you befriend him? Then he befriended me. So when I was, so I've stayed in this room now, the first room for about 14, no, just under that like 12 days. And then because of all of my scars from Bali, because I was still on the antibiotics, and the prison refused me my antibiotics, the symptoms started to come back from my illness, which I had just before the prison. So then I had actually been taken out to the main prison, which is like a, in a different prison, like the main prison hospital. It's not even like inside the Bangkok remand, it's attached to a prison called Klong Pram Prison.

54:06And this is the main hospital for all prisoners in Bangkok. So I've been taken there after 12 days, and I spent 26 days in a room there, getting drip-fed, and then they finally fixed me up. I was on antibiotics, morphine, which made it a little bit more fun for me at one time. And yeah, I was stuck in there. There was a Canadian guy who was looking after everybody. He could read and write a tie. He'd been in the prison for 12 years. So I spoke to him and I became friends with him. What was he on for? for drugs, for drugs, he had like a, he got caught, he claimed to this day, he's innocent, he was innocent, but I've met now other people who know him, and yeah, it was clear maybe these lot were definitely doing something heavy.

54:55They got caught by the FBI, sorry. I'm all for a ton, I'm all for trying to make dough, make extra dough, but I don't see why people fuck around over there, you fuck around and you seriously do find out, you know, I don't understand why people would but it's like anything people do in dubai people it's just agreed you think you've got yourself in there it's easy and we look at those sort of coppers there and we think they're not on it they're fucking on it as well they're more on it you know what i'm saying they're more switched on because i think like the uk and america it seems like special units and they always seem switched on but like dubai thailand they're fucking still so any they're all switched on you know any slight mistake and you're fucked and if they don't want if they want you they'll get you they'll set you up more likely over these places they still set you up here but they're more likely to do it over there but i just think why the fuck would you fuck around over there there's people getting 40 50 years for a half ounce of white yeah you know it's crazy i just think but then again if i was in that situation you're trying to earn a bit of dough i'm saying that now because i'm doing okay i'd probably still fucking dabble somewhere that's the way my mind goes as well i think when you go to these places i mean i've been caught up in this before i'll be honest, um, not specifically like drugs or anything like that, but like when you go to Thailand and you see the life and you've been living this life for like six months and your money's running out, you want this life to last forever, you know?

56:17So then your morals and standards of what you would have not done before start to slowly, slowly drop. Like I've done jobs over like the world, um, in terms of like something probably not, not what I should have done, but it's because I wanted good money and to keep the dream going, you know, to keep the life going. I mean, I managed to come to Thailand and live there for like over a year and then moved to Bali. And I'm a hustler. I was just making money off anything I could find, you know, either if it was online, sales, whatever, or yeah, bits and bobs. So I know what it is like, but you can get caught up in things very, very easily because you needed money.

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58:11Take risks. Take risks. Take more risks. Yeah. See people who's been doing the big sentences there, what is this? Obviously you can do a third tier, you can bow and tag. What's the sentences like there? If you've got a 20 stretch, do you need to do the 20? Can you bow in 10? How does it work? Depends on what crimes you have, because there's different sort of, there's different tiers of crimes. So say like my crime, when the king gives a pardon, I would potentially get 50 % off. but if you've got a drug crime, the start is like 10 % off your... Yeah, drugs is worse than murder there, eh? Murder is...

58:44I've seen people get six years for murder. So if you claim you're like disabled or something, like there was a kid who like a... He was actually like a Thai TikTok star. I met him in there. He was clearly disabled. Um, I don't know what, he's just bashed the hell out of some lady and just killed her on the spot. And he got six years. Because he was disabled? It's either that or you can pay. You can put a f*****g pretending to be disabled. No, he was. He was. Because I've seen him crash out in there a few times. He's very, very strong. He's got like that disabled strength. So he gets six years for killing a woman?

59:15He got six years, yeah. What other crimes which people had done in there? Oh, murders, everything. So it's not like a cat A to D, and if you've got like a financial crime in UK, you'd go straight to cat C, so you wouldn't be mixed with the murderers. I mean, I've slept next to murderers. I've had conversations with people who have done all sorts, you know? So I've seen everybody's story. There's, there's, it goes, the list goes on. But what I would say is if you're selling drugs, say in Thailand, and the police know you're selling drugs, and they can't prove it, they will just plant that on you and arrest you.

59:50So, so if they can't prove that you're doing it, but they know you're doing it, and you're very good, you're too good at doing it, but you won't get caught, they will catch you and they will just frame you.

1:00:01So everybody's got the sentences very confused into it, Thailand now. They changed the rules like in like 2021 or something. So if you get caught for a gram of coke, the max prison you're going to be doing is one month. So you get two months, 50 % People were getting fucking 10 years, 20 years. Not on personal use anymore. The max is because cocaine is class B in Thailand, which is not in any other country. It's only a class B. So it's the same as like cat or something like that. Because all people go in there to party. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But if you get ice, you'd get a year, you go guilty on it, you'll do six months.

1:00:34Loads of ties are in there for like getting caught with a gram of ice. Then they do six months and they're out. And what's other? So other drugs is all the same? One month, six months? So yeah, so class A is one year sentence. If you go guilty, six months, obviously 50 % off your sentence, six months. On anything below is usually a fine, I'll be honest. You don't really go to prison for a gram of cocaine in Thailand, which people seem to think you do. There was that guy who got caught in the airport. He would have done two months. Obviously, if he got guilty, he would have done the one month, but it's not.

1:01:04If you're selling drugs, it just goes up by 10x. So if you're caught by selling drugs, I don't know the specifics, but you're gonna be doing minimum 10 years. And what are you thinking when you've seen someone get murdered in prison? I've not seen somebody, like, fully die, but I've seen somebody get stabbed in the neck. Um, I've seen somebody commit suicide, but when they're getting taken out, they're not 100 % dead yet. So I can't say, like, that guy's clearly died in front of me. There's a guy who died in the room on an overdose, but I've seen people get stabbed in the neck. I've seen somebody climb the wall, and then launch himself back on the back of his head.

1:01:43So he might have died. But I can't sit here and say, like, that's confirmed dead, you know? Did you get stabbed in the neck? Yeah, I got stabbed in the leg here. That was in the third room I was in. That's the story I just told on my Instagram, yeah. Why? Because I went down to the shop, Um, and we're all in a line waiting for the shop. And one of the Thai Mafia, uh, leaders who are one of the prison guards, technically, he said something to me in Thai and he's basically said like, Nang, Nang, which means sit. Yeah? But nobody else is sitting on the floor. So he's like, pick me out as a foreigner.

1:02:18I'm the only foreigner there. Everybody is all Thai. And he's basically told me to sit down on the floor. And I just basically swore at him in Thai. I was like, hiyo koi sa, which is like, it basically transform, uh, trans, uh, translates to like, you fucking lizard animal or something. They always, I hear them saying it. So I said that to him and he just laughed and went, okay, like that. Just like looked at me like he's going to get me. And then less than 24 hours later, the next day, that's when the incidents happened. So I don't know when I was either at the shop and this weapon's been put in inside the cell.

1:02:52It was like a, say, a screwdriver sort of looking thing, but it looked like it was made out of like a plain toothbrush, like it was plastic and it had like a rubber handle on it like a with rope sort of thing like a homemade it's thin i'll show you uh the picture after this so it went in me it probably went in me like this much i'd say but it's like a it's like a screwdriver sort of thing like a little shank so basically in that room there was like another four time i feel all different from the from the first room because because i'm going to the court and it's covid rules you're only meant to spend two weeks in these rooms.

1:03:28But if you go to court, that number of days resets. So every time I keep going to court or I went to the hospital for that 26 days, I'm now back in the introduction wing, having to do my 14 days. So I actually spent a consecutive of like nearly two months in these rooms, going back and forth to court and going to that hospital before I could even get to where I met the biker gangs and everybody who was actually helping me, you know? and when I had like a half life in the prison. Before, I was trapped in these rooms, and I couldn't really speak English apart from that first room, when I told you with the government guy.

1:04:03He was the only one who could speak English. Everybody else couldn't speak English. So, I luckily, by that time, I'm in the third room. I'm two months in. A few of like the people kind of know me. There was a few nice guys in there, and one of them was giving me an English book to read. I remember the book. It was a David Baudouchy book. Um, and it was about this guy who just exited prison. So I loved the book. I never read books in my life, but this book, I remember it to this day. Um, and I loved the book. It was called, like, The Last Man or something like this. And it was about this American guy who leaves prison.

1:04:35So I was really interested in it. So I was reading this nonstop, and it was just taking my time away. But these guys, they were kind of, not bullying me, but trying to have a laugh with everybody in the jail. They're telling their stupid jokes. I can't, obviously, hear what they're saying, but I can get the gist of what's going on. And they keep on getting the small little Thai Mafia kid to stand up, come over to me and just do like the Muay Thai stance in front of me, as a joke. First few times I was laughing, it was funny, you know? But now it's like 9pm and I'm sitting with my back against the wall, I'm trying to read my book, and then he pops it up again.

1:05:11And I don't know why, I just snapped, bro. I just snapped, I got up, I've kicked him in the chest. so imagine from here i've kicked him in the chest he's flown he's about 40 kilos the kid was like 21 but i mean he didn't look he my brother's 14 years old he didn't my brother looks a lot older than him he's a small kid he's flown against the wall he's like hit his head on the wall he's out he's dropped on the floor obviously now i'm up there's there's the other three around me they're all i knew they were all going to try and fight me i could just tell i could tell that there was something off it was like a like god sent me like a sign but there was something gonna crash and I felt like a threat for my life, uh, sort of feeling.

1:05:51So I've stood up, I've looked at the biggest guy now because he's in front of me. I've then punched him in the face, elbowed him. He's gone down. He's not like knocked out of me. He's hurt. And then there's a guy behind me. I've like kicked back, hit him. He's then like hit his back on the, the edge of the toilet. So he's like pretty hurt. And then I just looked down, bro. And there's just a fucking shank hanging out the of my leg, and I'm like, what the fuck? So I look down, I look at the guy who's just stabbed me, and then I pull it out, I chuck it over here, and then I hit him, and then I just get him in a headlock, and I've turned against, like, the back of the wall, and I'm just sliding down the wall now with him in me, in my arms, and I'm just trying to, like, to be honest, I just thought, he tried to kill me at that time, I was trying to pretty much kill him, so I'm strangling him like this, and then the bell just starts ringing, and I just drop him.

1:06:42There's blood like two, I don't know why there was so much blood. I don't know if I like hit, like I obviously didn't hit a blood vessel or something, but like there's a lot of blood coming out like the side of my hip and like my arse sort of thing. Everywhere and I've like got down on the ground like you have to do. And then I've just passed out bro. I passed out and woke up in the nurses area inside the Bangkok remand. And then that, yeah, that was one of my bigger sort of situations. That's the only time where I've physically got stabbed. I've been nearly stabbed twice after that as well. Um, one was like by the African gang as well, but they didn't obviously get through to me.

1:07:15Um, how? Why did they try and clog you? Because I was gambling in there and they scammed me. So I had to go for them first. What were you gambling on, bro? I like your stale me. Was it cars, deis? No, it's very specific, because I obviously wanted to leave the prison. So, and by this time, I'm now already sentenced. So I know I've got a year and a half minimum. And because of the king comes and gives these, they're called amnesties, which I was like referring to, you can get time off your sentence. If you're under a year on your sentence, and the king does the amnesty, you get released instantly.

1:07:48Yeah? It takes maximum two months, but you're going home, and everybody knows you're going home. Uh, and there's just, there's always rumors, like, the king's gonna do the amnesty on July because of his birthday. And then, I just, for some reason, thought in my head, I spoke to a few Thais, and they said, 100 % December 2024. It's 100 % happening, like, Christmas time. Not because of Christmas, but... because if there was some sort of special date, I was like, right, so I've bet the, the King, uh, Nigerian guy in charge of all the Africans, who's in the VIP room as well, I've bet him, I bet him, uh, the first, I bet him the first bet was 10 ,000 baht, so 250 quid, and I, and it's got to January now, and the amnesty hasn't come, so I've lost the bet, yeah, so I've paid him, I've got his details, I've given them, I've given them to outside on my line call, and I've got it paid.

1:08:37It's been paid him for and I've paid him for that thing. Then I'm like, fuck, I'm down now, 250 quid. Let's bet again, yeah? I've then raised the stakes in front of the whole VIP room because he's talking a load of shit. I stood up. I said, look, I bet you, but you're going to be sentenced when your sentence comes, yeah? So if you get sentenced, you come back in here, you've got to give me a thousand pound, yeah? 45, 40 ,000 baht, I said. So it's like pretty much a thousand pound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We shook on it. I mean, everybody's seen. There's about 50 people in the VIP room. It seems like a lot, but this room's a bit bigger.

1:09:09The tiles are nice, and it's a lot better than staying upstairs. And there's more fans. There's, like, loads of fans. The TV's bigger. It's a better room, 100%. So I've now... We've made this bet in front of all of the important people in the prison, all the VIPs. I've made this bet. Everybody's laughing and joking because they're like, they're thinking this is crazy. And then he's got sentenced, and then he doesn't pay me. so what was i meant to do you know i'm now i'm now pretty much in charge of all of like the he's in charge of the african um like group and i'm in charge of pretty much everybody on my table um which the new zealand uh biking guy gave me the table when he left because he was in charge before so he gave me when he left about a month after i got into that wing he gave me the table there's only six tables in this entire tire den there's about minimum 750 prisoners and there's only six tables.

1:10:01So you can imagine if you've got a table, you're somebody, you know? So he's now pretty much handed me this table. He's given me keys to like extra lockers he's had. There's a fridge, a VIP fridge. He's given me a space in the fridge. He basically handed everything he had. And he said, look after the gym, make sure it doesn't get fucked up. Here's all the stuff. And he gets deported, taken to America for his crime. After like spending nearly two years in the prison. So everybody's got a table, it's like a mafia family, everybody's the head. Yeah, so I'm the head of the table now, and I can pick who's sitting on this table, you know?

1:10:34So it was like, it was a very big thing. Um, and I was like, proper grateful for that, because that made me somebody in the prison, you know? So you felt as if you had to do something? Well, I had to do something. What did you do? So I've got a very good friend now who I'm still friends with now. Um, he's from Brazil and he's like a professional football player. Um, he got, he got done on like some robbery charge, but his story is just fucked up as it is as well. I mean, yeah, that's another thing. So he's like, right, we've got to get him like 100%. He's from Brazil. He's like, look, he's not paid.

1:11:07And also he's covered the first bit of the bet as well. So we paid 5 ,000 baht each because I said, I'm not paying a minute for the first one. I've lost. And I'm like, fuck it. I didn't even know we were going to pay him. And my Brazilian friend said, no, you can't do that. People were going to think you're a cunt in the prison. So he then said, look, I've got money on the account. So I've sent 5 ,000 baht of his account and then my Brazilian friend put 5 ,000 on the scan, like, scanned him in the shop every day, a little bit of money to pay. So we paid together on the debt, if that makes sense.

1:11:36So then on the next one, he doesn't pay, innit? Because he's like, we've won this 100%. He's a big gambler, the Brazilian. It's more his sort of idea, but I spoke in the moment of anger and then he's carried on the gambling thing in his head. I'm not really a big gambler, innit? And I was like, right, we've paid this one, we need to get the money. And then we start talking shit across the and then we're like, oh, you're a fucking liar, you're nobody, duh, duh, duh. And then we both just run up to him. I've like, I didn't think we were gonna actually hit him, to be fair, at this time. We were just going over to speak to him.

1:12:09By the time I've like got over there, he's got like some sort of kingpin stick, because he pretends to be, he pretends to have walking issues and back issues. So he gets in the VIP room for free, and gets like special, special stuff in the prison, because he's pretending to be disabled. He's not a fucking disabled. He's a huge six foot, fucking four or five African giant, bro. Like huge guy. So he just pretends to do all this bullshit in the prison. He's been there for a while and it's not his first time in there as well. So everybody seems to know him. Anyways, I've run over to him. He's picked up this kingpin stick.

1:12:44It's made of like a crutch material, if that makes sense. Like the crutch material. And he's hit me. He's just swung it, hit me here. I've then knocked back. I've then like gone to pick up a chair. but because I've been hit like so fucking hard in the neck here, I've picked up the chair and I'm like nearly knocked out, if that makes sense. I'm like a bit frozen for 15 seconds, like gaining my thing. My Brazilian friends already punched him in the face, got him in a headlock. I've then picked, finally got this chair, picked it up, tried to throw it at him, but obviously they're fighting, so I've just chucked it to the side.

1:13:16I ran over, I've punched him in the face. The Brazilian guys let go of him and he's tried to like run away and I've managed to get a big hit on it on the back of his head and he's dropped and we've just kicked him in, innit? Um, until the guards came in, because the guards actually don't like this guy at all, they've like, they've come in, the white shirts, they've come in and they've, and they've uh, they've just like pretended to stop it for like another two minutes and we're still going at him. Um, and then everybody like, we get dragged off and then we get taken into the real prison guard's office.

1:13:47Um, oh shit, I fucking, um, missed a bit. So basically what happened was when he's, when he's hit, when he's hit, when he's hit, when he's hit me here, the sticks like, uh, snapped basically, innit? In, into like, like a sharp weapon, innit? And that's when he's tried to, he's tried to, um, go for me, innit? And that's when the Brazilian guys captured his arm. So So he's got that and then I've punched him. So luckily if he'd hit me with that bro, I would have been hurt, you know, really, really hurt. So that's, that was a very fucked up story, bro. Um, and then the guards were basically, when we got into the office on the weekend, we're all sat down on the floor, like we're about to like get really punished.

1:14:30And they've basically taken my side and said, but you've got to pay the money to me. Cause I said they know about gambling in the prison and they just wanted to cover the debt. Um, so that happened and then like three days later, the main prison guard who he's actually paid in the past came and just said, look, you boys have got to leave this now. Otherwise you're going to be sent to different wings. I'm now going to not have my table, not have any of my sort of stuff. And yeah, I just was like, right, I'll leave it now. I've got my, I've got my get back. I'm technically down 250 quid on the first bet.

1:15:01And yeah. Was there any booze or anything? Any hutch? Um, yeah, people try to make that all that you can pay pay guards in other wings like in a different den. Uh, den eight, that was easy to get stuff in because all of the cargo and like shopping items come into this den and it gets sorted by the prisoners first. So if you're on the outside and you've got a way in, they'd put drugs, even like illegal food, like the Chinese Mafia bro, they're paying to get steak and lobsters and bloody king King Crab Claws coming into the prison. And they're chefing up on their own cookers and everything. They've got a different life and they're the Chinese Mafia.

1:15:40I'll tell you that. They've really sussed it out. They're spending silly money. They're all like 100 million plus dollar USDT scammers. And they're paying upwards of like$50 ,000 a month to the prison guards. Each one. So you can imagine the money which is flowing around this prison. It's a silly amount of money. Prison guards must make a few quid. The top prison guards are driving around in bloody BMW. in Bangkok, everything. When you're going through the process then, did you ever get sentenced? Are we always in remand? No, so I was saying, not guilty, not guilty, not guilty. And then obviously when I got brought out two months later, then they've slapped me with the four extra charges.

1:16:17And I'm like, right, now I'm looking at like 20 plus years for a fake passport document, whatever they're trying to accuse me of. I'm like, damn. And then when I get to the court on one of my final times, that's when the judge says to me, he said, look, if you go guilty now, we'll take off the other three. So you just get the two years minimum on that one. And then I'm going to give you eight months, um, overstay basically. So I was like, all right. But also I knew that I paid my lawyer, he was saying that I could get a suspended sentence. So I've paid him, uh, it was, it was like a, near like 12 and a half grand.

1:16:58Um, my dad forwarded it, I'll be honest. Um, while I was in there. So he's paid him like 500 ,000 baht to, to basically fight my case. But he's promised me, my dad, my family that I'm going to be getting a suspended sentence for this. So it would be two years, eight months. And then when they read it, it would get cut to half for the guilty. And then it would get cut again, suspended sentence. And then because I've got time served, because I've already done four or five months up until this point, but I'd go home. That's what I was told whole time. So there was just like lie after lie after lie, where I think I'm going to be leaving the prison at this time.

1:17:32I've done this extra stuff. I'm going to get out. And then it doesn't happen. Yeah, there's nothing worse. If you're getting totalists and you're getting three years, you get your head down, you deal with it. It's the fact it's getting your hopes up. Yeah. You think you're getting out then. So did he bump you, the lawyer? Yeah, lawyer bumped me. You can't trust that cunts, man. Lawyer bumped me. Lawyers are the worst cunts. Lawyer bumped me, I'll be honest. And that wasn't even the first time, because I had the first lawyer who was with me for like three days. So I'd only given like a little bit of money, like 20 ,000 baht, like 500 quid.

1:18:01And he was trying to make me go into the police station and sign, um, all sorts of documents. I'm like, bro, it's in Thai. I can't even read this. He's like, no, sign it. I just said, look, I'm not signing nothing. So then when I've got the new lawyer, which was... Where does Annette come from? You see Annette? Is that from that prison? Or is that from the area you were growing? Probably from, yeah, South London. Do I keep saying that? Yeah, Annette. Annette, bruv. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, that's just the way you speak. I'm just wondering if it was from the jail or it's from... Definitely not from there.

1:18:31Yeah. So you eventually got sentenced? Yes. And what was it like then? Is it still the same process in the Bangkok prison then? So then I'm now in the courtroom again for, I mean, the 10th time. And that's when the judge is now reading out my sentence. I've got like my lawyer, my lawyer's here. I've got a translator next to me who's translating, but by this time, I can speak a lot more Thai than I could before. So I know all the numbers, because you have to learn the numbers in there, because if you don't learn the numbers, you're getting punished. Because every time they do the counts, when they do the prayers, you have to say your number in Thai.

1:19:07You can't say it in English, otherwise this is a big problem. So I can count pretty much to at least 30 or something like that, at minimum. And I know a lot more numbers around it. So I can count in Thai. Um, so he said, Song Bi Ped Dun, which means two years, eight months. I'm standing like, what the hell? I look at my lawyer and he's like this, like, calm down. Then I hear that they've cut it in half. So it's like, uh, like Kun or something like that, which means half. Nung Bi Si Dun, which is one year, four months. I look at him again and he's like, wait, because apparently that's when they do the suspended sentence.

1:19:41And then the guy just never said it. And before that point, I'm in the room, like really nervous about me getting sentenced. And there's a guy who comes in who'd got like some government stamps and he could speak really good English. And he sits down with me, he said, why do you look so worried? Like you're going home. Like I've seen your case, you're going home, you're going home. The amount of people who have told me I'm going home when I didn't was just like torturing, man. And then that happens. And I look at the, look at the, my lawyer and I'm like, man, and I just sit down. And if you crash out in the, in, in the rooms, you get a lot more added to your sentence.

1:20:13So if I started shouting or something like that in the courtroom, you're getting like a minimum of six months added onto your sentence, maybe like up to five years. What's the embassy seen to all this? Oh, this is a whole nother story, the English embassy. This is why I'm like so, like, hate the English embassy so much, because even when I was in the hospital and I'm now being refused antibiotics for something which I needed, the English embassy have come to see me. But it's not like a British person. I'm just speaking to another Thai person who can speak English, who works on behalf of the English Embassy.

1:20:44And I'm saying, look, I've not done this. Like, please help me, help me, help me, get out. I mean, I even went as far as putting the tears on them. And they weren't having none of it, right? They literally weren't having none of it. And they basically said, look, you're only going to be in here for a year. We've seen this happen before. You need to do it. I was like, okay, thanks. And then, yeah, I knew by that time. I mean, my family came and visited me a few times as well. So what have you seen? Oh, you can imagine. Imagine your son was in prison, you know, in Thailand. They were heartbroken, man.

1:21:15Heartbroken. There's death penalties in these prisons, though. Yeah. But I didn't think you could even get close to 20 years for this. Like, this is crazy. You just don't know, man. You just don't know, like, what they came through at you. Like, sitting there and if the lawyer's saying, listen, you're only going to get 12 months, you're going to get a suspended sentence. But in your mind, you're thinking, these cunts might just go, do you know what? Death penalty? But you don't know how these people are going to act. There's no control whatsoever. The way the death penalty works in Thailand as well, because I know a lot more about this now since being inside, is when these King's pardons happen, so you'll be on death penalty, as soon as a King pardon happens, you'll get dropped to like 150 years.

1:21:57So you'll come off the death penalty straight away. There's only been very rare cases where the King's pardon hasn't been for like four years in a row for some reason, and then somebody's died. Like a foreigner's died. But like, realistically, death penalty in Thailand is near or impossible. Yeah, non-existent. Will you F anyone who's rough-back sentence? He's getting... The death penalty guys, they will go to like, uh, Klong Prem, which is the prison next to Bangkong Raman prison. So when I then, I was now 11 months into my sentence of a year and one year, four months, I, they changed the rules.

1:22:31So anybody in the Raman, if you've been sentenced, they're kicking you out, the prison's overcrowded. Finally. I mean, they're doing something like that, which I hated because I had, I'd finally felt like I'd built like a life. I had a very big role in that den. I mean, even the prison guard, like the head prisoner, like the real prisoner, not a tight, not, not one of the head prison guard who like controls that den, which is den four. he would even speak to me, and if a new foreigner came in, I'd get my name called on the thing, and I'd go chat to them, and try and help them bring him in, and settle them down, if that makes sense.

1:23:07Did you have a release date then? When you got the one year, four month release date, did you still not have a date to go out on? Oh no, that's when I got the date. So when I went... So you had a date, is there clocks or that, anything in there? Or has people got watches? Uh, so for the first two months, there was no clocks or anything. Um, in one of those three rooms I was in, not the one where I got stabbed, the second one, I could lean out to the side a little bit, and there was like a clock in one of the guards' rooms, which I could kind of see a little bit. And you could have judged it through the prayers as well.

1:23:38What sort of - And the prayers, 100%. You know, is it much daylight? Is there any sort of windows? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Immigration jail, no windows. What about the heat? Torturing. You can imagine that. Like, imagine what it's like today, but... Basically, I slept outside, I like to say I slept outside for the majority of a year and a half, because, yeah, you're in a building, but there's no, like, doors, or it's only like, railings and stuff like that. So it's technically outside, so you're always in the natural weather, whether it's raining. So if it's raining, the rain's coming in, and everybody's getting wet, and your bed's getting soaked, and you now have to wait there in the rain.

1:24:19Concrete floor, no puddles? in the in the vip there was like tiling um which somebody had paid for like one of the rich uh millionaires had kitted out the floor um with tiles in the vip rooms but if you're in a normal room it's like broken concrete like really uneven like it's hell to sleep on that so what you're thinking then once you get your sort of release date could you then just keep the head down still with trouble to get out well because it was longer than i expected because i had it in my head anyways, even if I don't get the suspended sentence, I spoke to a really high, um, like Thai, Thai boss in that prison as well.

1:24:54And he said, like, I've seen somebody come in here before. And he said, like a couple of Indians have come in on this and they've all been getting 11, 11 months. So I had it in my head. I was getting 11 months. I'd had it in my head as well, but there's these King's amnesties. And as soon as they come, I'm going home anyways. So at no point I thought that I was doing the whole time, even when I'd got sentenced, There was then, when I got sentenced, there was an amnesty, which happened like a couple of months later in, on, yeah, I don't know, I can't remember the dates, but that happened. And then loads of people got released from the prison.

1:25:28I thought I was going home then as well. So when the king does his pardon, who does he choose? Or does everybody get out? He brings a list. So he'd make, like it's made by the government and it has rules. The rules are different every time, but they're kind of consistent sometimes. So like, okay, under one year, you're going home. Stuff like that. But in these ones, it was a lot harder, and they made a new rule. And they said, you have to do one third of your sentence before you get anything. So I'd literally stayed in the prison, I kid you not. I was like 12 days off doing my third. And then he's done the amnesty.

1:26:03But I didn't know this until we'd got the, because the rules come in, they put it on the board. Everybody's reading the rules. I've got like really smart, there's even like a few lawyers in the prison as well, who I could go and speak to. And then they're like, yeah, everybody's saying, you're going home. And then it was worked out and I missed it by like 12 days. If I'd got arrested 12 days earlier, I would have only been in the prison for like five months. What about then when you're getting out, were you still scared? Because when I was in the jail, when I get out, I was always scared that they were going to charge me for, even though you've not done football, but you start, you're just paranoid as fuck.

1:26:35You thought you just want out so much. You don't want to build your hopes up. you kind of play these scenarios, like I'll probably not get out anyway, they'll probably catch me for something else, we'll probably do this, like were you scared because of the laws there that were to be trusted? I mean I'd never say exactly specifically what I've done in life anyways, but yeah 100 % I was thinking right they've got me for this, they got me for that, I've done this and that, and I was playing all of these situations, I knew I was not safe until I'm on the tarmac and the plane's taken off, and I put that in my head because I'd already been brought out for the two months in, I told you, my family got told by the embassy I was going home, because they didn't know that I was getting extra charges.

1:27:12All of the embassy got told was I was being transferred from the prison back to immigration. So, so on paper that looks like charges have been dropped. They've called my family to tell, tell me, tell everybody I'm going home. They've talked, my family's then told all my friends and everybody thinks after two months I'm going home. And then they get another call by the lawyer who comes and meets me and says, yeah. And then I I speak to my dad and just tell him, look, I ain't going home. I've got another four charges and we're looking at like 20 plus years. What happens when you eventually get out though?

1:27:43You don't have a passport then I take it? How do you get out? Yeah, so because my case was a passport case, they destroyed my passport and got rid of all their evidence anyway. So I couldn't even fight my case anyways, if I wanted to. But I knew I wouldn't fight 21 years. Because I mean, if you get not guilty on that, then you're going to get 20 years. So as soon as I heard that they were like, if I go guilty, I'm gonna get just one." I took it straight away, you know? And because they destroyed my passport, I'd got a emergency passport, like the blue British one, which got made for me, delivered.

1:28:17And then I got transferred to the airport in like a police bus, and I was put on the plane with handcuffs, and the handcuffs got taken off. Even though you're released? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like pretty heavy. And I had my dad with me as well. My dad come and picked me up. So my... I'll have to show you some pictures because they shave your head and everything. I've come out like I've got a ball. Yes, anyone can put some photos there. So you got out, you're thinking, yeah, because it might not sound a lot to people, 14 months, but it's a fucking hell of a lot if you're stuck in a dungeon with 120 people having to look over your shoulder 24-7.

1:28:50I'd imagine you would never have switched off. I'd imagine you'd be an autopilot, you're not a couple of hours here, five minutes sleep here, 10 here. When you get into a deep sleep, any sort of movement, you're up. I'd imagine it was fucked with your whole system. I'd imagine you'd still be a bit fucked up now. People do say, like, why are you all right? And I don't really have an explanation for that. I just feel like I'm just a different sort of person. Like, I feel like it's affected me a little bit, but I'm still Oliver, you know? I'm still myself. I'm still the same person. I've seen people go in there and lose their entire identity, either from drugs or that the hospital give you drugs.

1:29:29So if you're acting up too much, you can kind of be signed on to the, the only thing I would describe it as like a zombie injection. So even a Thai or a foreigner can get this. I see like a Turkish guy get it. And because he was always like crashing out on the guards, refusing to go to the room. One day they took him to the hospital and he came back and he can't speak anymore. He's like, uh, he's like a Hmong. I don't know what they do with him. They literally sedate you with this drug, keep you on this medication. So if you're acting up, you're just like a zombie then. So then he, his sentence, he like smashed up a hotel room and refused to pay the fine.

1:30:02So then he got like a year in jail and pretty much for his whole year because he even went to, I didn't know him in Bangkok Riman but when I got transferred to Thomburi that's when I met him and there was a few people in his wing who told me that he'd had the injection and that's why he was like disabled. Did he become a bigger target then for the rapists? In, I don't know because I wasn't with him in Bangkok Riman because he was in a different den but in Thomburi it was a whole different setup. There was not released things like that. The only problem you would have in the Tonburi prison is the prison guards.

1:30:31They were the biggest threat because they would literally take you to near death. Like I'd seen them batter, batter, like really, really battered. They got these huge wooden sticks you'd have to bend over and get like crushed on the back. Like he's breaking these little Thai kids backs all the time. I mean, people like, uh, there was like a huge things on Facebook, um, as well, like of like, uh, families in Thailand complaining about the prison I was in because of the guards are just like putting prisoners in the hospital, like for nothing. They come in all drunk and they just take it out on the prisoners.

1:31:04I'd imagine they kill a lot of prisoners there now. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, I've seen people pretty much die and I'm sure they died, but I can't say like 100 % he was dead. I mean, he's on the floor, he's like smashed his head there or there was a guy who got like stabbed in the neck. Loads of people have been stabbed, blood everywhere, but then they get taken out very quickly. So I don't know if they, but then they never come back. So yeah, maybe. What was it like getting out and seeing your dad? Was your dad outside the prison or was he in prison? He was waiting outside the prison for me.

1:31:35And at one point I thought I was just going to be released back into Thailand. And I had this vision of going party with my dad back in Bangkok and sorting out. There's nothing like that. The police are waiting outside for me. I managed to hug my dad, get in the police car with my dad, drive to the immigration prison. The policemen there were really nice. We even stopped at McDonald's. I asked them and we stopped at McDonald's on the way. What'd you get? Uh, like a two Royal Cheeses or something like that. Like the Quarter Pounders, but in Thailand. And I just ate that. Um, and yeah, that was, that was a nice, nice time.

1:32:03Did Jullo's much weight? No, I was huge in there. I'll be honest, I was on the, on the test tablets for a little bit in, in, um, in the Bangkok from the, from the biker guy. He left them behind and I was mashing those for like seven months. I got huge in there, bigger than I am now. Did you feel a lot more protection in the bag of your ear? I was, I'm still a big guy anyway. Yeah, 6 '3", so. Did you do Muay Thai's wheel? Yeah, I was doing a couple of crunches. There's a guy called Ben Ransom, and he's English, and he's been extradited back. I'm actually going to see him tomorrow in HMP Holsley.

1:32:38And he's like a professional Muay Thai guy. He's got arrested for like big bits in the UK, and he got extradited back. And he came in in like September, me and him are like best friends, bro. And we would train every day. Literally, I'd spend four or five hours in the gym every day. So we'd get kicked out of the room at like 6.87. We're either going on a run straight in the gym, repping, then we'd do Muay Thai. And then in the afternoon, just before we looked in the room, we're doing another gym session. I was in amazing shape. So you get dropped to the airport, handcuffs. Were you still shaking yourself?

1:33:10Or were you feeling, okay, I'm becoming free now? The closer you got. Did it seem you're in the airport, did you have to wait? Or did you just escort you straight to the plane? Nah, I was split up from my dad. Um, like, my dad met me in there, so, like, I was taken separately, and I knew my dad was gonna be on the flight, because he'd already booked the tickets, like, to get together. And I didn't see my dad until I was being escorted onto the plane. Um, because I'm taken to a separate bit, and then that's when they, like, uh, ban you from the country and stuff like that. But I'm still, to this day, I'm unsure if I am blacklisted or banned from Thailand forever, because I know it's crazy to say, but I'd wanna go back.

1:33:45I'd wanna go back to Thailand. My girlfriend right now is Thai, you know? And I want to see her family. And I do love Thailand as a country. And I think it's a great place. But you would shit yourself going through customs. Again, yeah. I mean, I shit myself going through any customs now. Yeah, I still get paranoid, even when I'm walking through the scanners and that. Your ass still closes up, you think, fucking hell, that you, even when the bags come through, you're thinking, because my bags come through, they always get put to the fucking side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm thinking, what the fuck?

1:34:12Two weeks ago, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. because obviously when we used to party in ibfa countries to just put gear in their pocket and the shampoos or whatever um because you can't you can't track the gear unless it's never dog but i used to snot lines in the plane in that fucking match i've done that as well there yeah i still get fucking para i still get para every airport and i think fucking you need to start relaxing you know what i mean but you're on the plane what you're thinking then when the So they've taken the handcuffs off me. I'm next to my dad. The plane takes off and then, oh, it was just so happy, man.

1:34:48Did you cry? No, I didn't cry. I've cried, I cried a few times in the prison. I cried, um, I cried when I got sentenced, but I didn't let anybody see. It was like a nighttime. I put my blanket over my head and I had a little cry. Um, and then there was another time I cried, but I can't remember. I remember two times crying in the prison, but nobody saw, but I can say it on here. And what did you do when you landed? UK. My sister was that waiting there. Any questions from where I said? Yeah. Any staff? Yeah. So they took my passport and they knew exactly who I was, um, and what had happened. And then they were like, right, you're good to go.

1:35:24And then let me in. So everybody knew what was going on. When did you get out last year? August the 1st last year. How's life been in the last sort of 10 months, 12 years last year? I've been living the dream since I've got out. I'll be honest. I mean, I went back to Bali, at the start of September last year. Was living there, then flew to Dubai for a job, which turned out to be a bit of a scam. Just didn't really work out. So, came back and then I started doing the trading. I've met some kid in Bali, he showed me how to do it. And I've been running with that for a while. I've made good money trading, but I mean, I don't know if he's done it before.

1:36:02I'll copy the professionals who I work with, and then it only takes one day of me, like, going out, uh, thinking I can do it myself. And then we put, we'll go 10 steps back. Are you day trading? Yeah, day trading. And we were doing the gold for a lot. The gold and silver smashed that. Yeah. It's been down about now. Yeah, it's gone down a lot since January. We're not really investing. We're just buying and selling, like trading it on the day. Um, so you can make money in either market conditions. Um, yeah, and I've been doing literally like, uh, last week, I launched like a new forex, uh, bot.

1:36:33So it just like scans the markets on the, on, on like AUD, JBY, all of that. just places the trades for you. So I kind of like, uh, do an affiliate marketing with the exchange. So I bring people, um, into the bot and I get paid a commission and yeah, I've invested my own money and we go from that. I've, I've done a few product projects, um, over the last 10 months and one, one's not done well. Um, but yeah, we move on from that, you know? Yeah. It's love and learn. What about the lady boys? Do they get put into the women's prison? No, they're ladyboys or with the men. So you've got lads with cocks and tits, like fake tits.

1:37:10But they've also got a shaved head, so it's hilarious stuff, I'll be honest. So they shave everyone's nut? In Tombourri Prison, instant shave. Everybody's completely shaved. If you've got too long hair, you're getting beaten shitless. That's a big thing in there. But because we were in like a VIP sort of area in Den Force, certain people, like, you can get away. I didn't have my hair shaved. Like, if you see the picture of me in the prison when we took it on the phone and that, um... Yeah, I was, I just had my own normal haircut. So what's the plans for the future, brother? Where do you see yourself?

1:37:43So in terms of what I would like to do, I mean, one day, I'd like to even have a podcast like you, mate. I'd be happy to help you set it up, brother. That'd be really nice. Um, but I want to just focus on the YouTube. I mean, I started my journey, um, after we had the, uh, the OnlyFans mess up, which was very brief. Then I was like, right, I want to be a YouTuber. and I have posted videos from two years ago before I'd been arrested in Thailand. They haven't done that well. But yeah, I just want to travel the world with my girlfriend and just document my life and just have fun. I'll be honest. Like, I don't want to go back to heating engineering.

1:38:17The trading is doing all right now. So I'm running with that. But like, my dream is to just be a content creator full time. Just go for it then. You've clearly got the story and you've got the individuals that you've met along the way that you can get on your podcast to buy killer brazilian you know it's just everything's consistency though you can't do a video and then do one three four weeks later yeah got to at least once a week yeah realistically you want to be doing one every day but it's time consuming it's tiresome you think i can't be asked today but you've got to be posted every week and stay consistent and enjoy it yeah in terms of my instagram my instagram is doing all right you know i've got 20 000 followers on there i need to get the tiktok i've been approved on monetization on facebook now so i can get paid from facebook and Instagram.

1:38:59I need to get Tik Tok to 10 ,000 followers, but I haven't, I don't know. I don't really like Tik Tok man. Like, um, that's the most views that and Facebook's the two best platforms just now. X is toxic. You want to feel shit and go on X. It's just so bad, bro. Um, but Tik Tok, everyone seems to be on it. I think it's a good place to build a brand and build your network and build who you are, but the prison stories will always sell, but there's only so many stories you can tell from your own perspective. It's good to bring other people in, but that's what I'm saying that's who contacts any guests that I've had on you want on I'm happy to pass them on happy to help you set up you've seen the equipment we use it's not the most expensive but it does the job it's all about the content you can have a£10 ,000 camera but your content's shite so it's just the consistency how are you feeling today brother?

1:39:44I'm feeling good man I've liked this a lot I've really enjoyed it it's easy isn't it it's nice it's good I'm sitting here with holes in my t-shirt sitting to my guests before I've got two Rottweilers everything's got holes bro t-shirts, socks, my boxer shorts and you know what, at this stage I don't give a fuck anymore I should be maybe sitting with a suit on being a bit more respectful You've smashed it mate, I mean I even remember seeing you on that Glow programme I mean like that You've come a long way Life is good bro but as an individual sometimes you always crave more but on the other hand I feel as if taking a break just to recharge reset, I feel as if I should be I feel as if you should always be Get yourself back in your prime I'm in my 40s now And I feel as if I can That I was so in my prime Like early 20s Feeling fucking great I kind of got it back Early 30s But I could have pushed it Another few months To really get in my prime And I feel as if It's at the stage now To push it And to feel confidence Seeing when you're sitting Baggy and your belly's Hanging over your shorts You don't feel comfortable bro Yeah Because in my mind I know where I can get to And you become a different animal When you're confident When you're not confident you tend to do more negative stuff when you're in control of yourself when you love yourself truly you want to feel the best that you can so it's a good indicator how someone is in life when they're not looking after themselves the way they should you should hop on the TRT or something mate I just get scared that I become greedy you know what I'm saying half a mil, a mil, whatever people take I know some people take a couple of mil but I'm scared that I get greedy it's the same as I was interviewing an addict yesterday he was on heroin for fucking years he was off for 22 years and then fucked it.

1:41:23But now he's ate eight coffees a day, eight Red Bulls a day. He's replaced it with something else. He was on the Manjaro, which he overtook. That Manjaro, there's a lot of bad stuff coming out about that. People are going blind. It's eating their muscles. You can tell someone's on it. It's not a thing where you go, you look good. I've tried retitutide, which is the step above is like a peptide. I've tried that. I've actually done a little series on my Instagram. I've done 14 days. But yeah, it made me feel quite sick. Um, and it takes your energy away. So like, say you can do 100 % in the gym.

1:41:55I mean, on the Retta, I'm only getting like a 30 % workout. But yeah, I think, I think life right now is going good for me. I've got a lot of plans. Like I'm right now, I'm looking to hopefully go to, um, Oz, because I've just started an e-commerce business as well. Um, which is selling like camper vans. Uh, I'll show you after it's called Roam Rig Campers. So I've started that. I've got my whole, like, so I'm planning to do that I've done e-commerce in the past, trying to launch that business. We've got approved finance companies, the business I've got doing that with one of my partners who I met in - E-commerce is massive.

1:42:28My sponsors, Ryan, e-commerce, they smash it. The people, they help. But it's a case of people think it's a get rich quick. You've got to put the graft in. You've got to find your products. You've got to make your mistakes. You've got to, the network's there to build on it, but you've got to put in grafts. You don't just invest in something and then that's it. you've made that but you're a hustler so there's always going to you're going to do many things until the one thing you enjoy and the one thing you stay consistent for two three year and then you'll start seeing the results six months doesn't cut it it's the two year three year process when you're thinking what am i doing when you're starting the process or a new business you always want to quit because you don't see the end results you know where it can go but it takes years it takes years to build up the connections build up the trust that's why with the guests we get it's all an element of trust it's a good environment there's no there's no and and building that sort of bond.

1:43:16Listen, I'm out to get views. I'm out to get stories. Of course. But it works both ways. You know, people getting the exposure. Like when we cut up clips, some of them can go into millions of views. It helps with extra followers. Those potential extra followers can open new doors. It's just all about staying consistent. And I think that's where a lot of people fail because they're not consistent enough. Yeah, I think like with the trading space, with the e-commerce space, there's a lot of negativity around that. And you need to kind of pick through. Like I've worked with traders before, which a vendor as i said that one bad product uh with a guy called k it just went went under you know um so now i'm working with these new guys called scaling traders because i'm not a professional trader myself you know but if you're around the right people and and they're winning then you're going to be winning too you know so like i'm with the scaling traders people now they're doing really well we're launching like some new autobots like i said already which the clients can jump on that's been going good uh so far um so i'm going to keep running with that and then this e-commerce hopefully do that and keep up the vlogs, you know?

1:44:14I want to do the YouTube vlogs like I was doing before. But because when I was making a lot of money on the trading, which I have been, you kind of get, as you said, you get a bit lazy when the money's coming in. I've been on holiday pretty much for the last 10 months, just chilling, like a flexing lifestyle, just having fun, you know? Well, now I've come back to England. I know that I don't want to be here full time. So now we're going for new stuff and we're really set into focus. What's your social media links for people? people who want to get in contact maybe ask you questions yeah so oliver uncut on instagram and tiktok and on my youtube it is ollie hardy uh 28 oliver before we finish up brother for anybody that's maybe in a life of struggle no doubt you've had your your demons you were battling inside a prison but for anybody that's in a life of struggle what advice would you have for them i'd say specifically if you've got any problems around thailand um a lot of people dm me um on instagram asking questions about what's happened specifically and if they've got a crime.

1:45:12Look, I'm always here to help. Like you said, you're open arms to me. Anybody who's out there who's got a problem, I can try my best to guide them what to do. I mean, I was only speaking to another guy the other day who's on bail for like some drugs. Dave Portnoy here. The wait is over. Football is here and so is DraftKings. DraftKings is now live in all 50 states. One app, every sport nationwide. New DraftKings customers. Sign up with code SPOTIFY. Spend$5 to get$200 in rewards within 21 days. Includes all markets. That's code SPOTIFY in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem?

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1:46:59I'll be honest, like I've been through it. I've been through the ups and downs in life. And if you help people, if you help others, others will help you, you know, and people can catch energy. They can catch a vibe. Like once I've met you today, I was like, wow, like James, you're actually a really nice guy. You're going to try and help me do sort of things and better my life. You need to surround yourself with people who you want to be like, if that makes sense. So definitely. Listen, Oliver, I wish you nothing but the best for the future, brother. Thank you, man. If you can help with, you know, text message away, phone call away, and it'll get done brother thank you very much and thank you for having me on yeah anytime bro honestly cheers brother