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27:59And I've always just been into like, you know, Power Rangers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and anything to do with martial arts. I've always been into that type of thing. But then when I was - Kung Fu, Bruce Lee. Yeah. So I used to have like a punch bag in my back garden and do like, you know, wushu forms and you know like i i even got a book where i would get like kung fu tai chi magazine uh and i'd get like the the pictures of chinese guys doing you know waving their arms around i'd stick them like in a scrapbook of montages of like forms i could learn i was obsessed with like all kinds of stuff like that and then i got um i got attacked when i was outside uh a mosque in ashton it was pirates the caribbean 2 just came out and i just watched it i was there with two of my friends and they walked over from the uh ashton moss uh retail park to the mosque that's just behind it.

28:42As I walked past there, these Pakistani gentlemen said to me, oh, I said something. To this day, I don't know what they said, but I said, sorry, what did you say? Because they said, they said, what, what, what, what? And then they just came and beat me up for no reason, and started calling me a white boy and beat me up outside of Moscow. After that point, I was like, I'm not prepared to lose a fight ever again, really. So that's why I got into MMA more heavily, because it was live resistance and people that could really show you the results of learning martial arts rather than dancing around or bowing to a sensei or anything like that.

29:16So that's why I got into MMA really. And that changed my whole outlook really from being 16 and growing up. The first MMA gym in Manchester was called Defence Unlimited, which became SPG later on, where it was Carl Tanswell gym. The second one was Manchester Ground and Pound, which was my old our old gym was just over there on Newton Street, which has been closed down for about 15, 12, 15 years now, something like that. And in there was just loads of psychos and gangsters and just create all kinds of different random people from all walks of life. And it was great because we had this place called Van Deng Martial Arts, which was a martial arts shop that was next to it.

29:57And the guy that ended up teaching me, Danny, guy, he worked behind the counter there. So we used to go in there and there'd be like Vietnamese soap operas on at like deaf and in volume because the guy that ran the place was like a Vietnamese, but he was deaf guy. We could just about hear. So you go in there and they'd be like this tiny little Vietnamese guy. He'd be like, oh, good boy. How's it going? Hello. And you go and look and there's like Chinese Kung Fu weapons everywhere and martial arts stuff everywhere. So for me, I used to just go in there and just spend hours talking nonsense about Kung Fu with my coach in there.

30:25And then he was like, I'll come and do some training with us if you want because next door they had um the uh on 12 newton street they had about six different martial arts gyms there was a jeet kune do gym and a jitsu gym and a muay thai gym and all kinds of different things over like over like three four floors um so it's like a martial arts mecca for manchester at the time and we used to have people coming in there off like you know building sites you know to try and like find uh someone to have a fight with how do you do martial arts and they get they get beaten up by a guy who puts his freaking school uniform on afterwards, you know, and it was, uh, and we get people who were like weird martial arts nerds that, uh, that come in and be like, oh yes, we'd like to do some sparring and they get beaten up.

31:01And it was just like a, uh, a crazy lift. We even had like the RZA from Wu-Tang clan came in to try and buy martial arts books or whatever. It was all kinds of people that used to come to, to that particular gym. And it was, it was, it was awesome for a long while. We had like carpets on the walls. There was no padding everywhere. We had a, on the, on the post in the middle of the room, we had like a mattress wrapped around it, you know, and it was never, ever cleaned no one ever got a staph infection somehow but um it was a it was an amazing place that's the see the old school gyms with it's freezing there's no heating yeah the old barbells like that's where that's where warriors like it's like rookie one yeah like everybody's got heating now all the all the machines are cushioned you've got hot chocolate and green teas and cappuccinos the level of martial arts now is much much better than what it used to be like because everybody's like you're learning from each other it's like an arms race everybody sees that you know this so i know that, you know that, I know that, you know that, you know that, I know this technique and that technique and that technique.

31:53So the, the, the skill level is way up now, but in the past used to have like, um, so we'll be a boxer. So we'll be a wrestler. So we'll be a kickboxer. And they sort of do, it wouldn't be linked up in like a unified MMA style. Now, like now with, with Conor McGregor and all that, you know, you go into, into a lot of gyms now and people are more social media savvy and they're wearing Rolexes and they're, they, you know, they've got cool haircuts and they want to, you know, it's proper sport now with promotion or the to it whereas in the past it used to just be like no one some people may have heard of who the gracies were you know or had pride fc vh vhs tapes goto vhs tapes or you know uh the ultimate fighter or or ufc one ufc two ufc three i mean i i was born in 91 so i'm still shocked with you yeah that's that that's that that era it wasn't as good there were loads of exciting fights but the still everyone wasn't as good but it was more like i don't know it had more authenticity to it back Yeah, it was more raw.

32:46Yeah, but I mean, I'm an old man. I'm 34 now, so I'm like, back in my day, it was better. It's like WWE now, but Conor McGregor. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms. This message is brought to you by Apple Card.

33:26With Apple Card, you earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases, like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game. Plus, it can be used anywhere MasterCard is accepted. No matter your team No matter where you shop Apple Card is here to help you tackle game day Apply in the wallet app on your iPhone today Subject to credit approval Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch Terms and more at applecard.com What a talent And I think people forget how good he was He was all about his movement The big fan of Bruce Lee And he did move like water con I've seen you see him on the mat Oh yeah, beautiful clutch yeah and it's sad how hopefully he gets it back but he's just he's just enjoying his life well but for him he won the two belts and what he'd done with aldo like this it's unbelievable he was the ufc at that time well when he when he got into it floyd mayweather he started to box a lot more and he started becoming more relying on like his boxing sort of style i don't think that served him as well in mma as his old like he used to work with that ido portal where he was like had really weird movements he was doing like capoeira and karate point style sparring and that type of thing.

34:36It made him more of an interesting fighter to watch, made him more of an unpredictable fighter to try and predict his movements, what he's going to do next, etc. So I think the early part really had like a lot more success for him and it was more entertaining for him, but then he started getting more into boxing and it became more predictable for people in MMA to fight against, I think. Yeah, and he never really had a good engine. No. He's sort of, he did just to blow. and I think Mayweather could have knocked him out the first round if he really wanted to. I thought he did really well in that fight.

35:02I was on The Little Bastard when I watched that fight, it was amazing. But there was a scream at the TV because it was just like, you know, it was so exciting to watch it, you know. But the main thing that he provided was the the promotional aspects and he changed the whole game in terms of like how you portray yourself. And after that became like the fighting was still real, but it became like WWE in terms of the promotion and the faceoffs and the smack talking and the throwing, you know, cans of monster into the crowd or whoever, you know, it became more of like a spectacle like that. but the promotion for that fight was unbelievable i remember watching him on stage and yeah it was yeah yeah yeah he just he just it made him a superstar yeah and to fight me with a hundred million and i think he fought nate diaz yeah which nate diaz was massive and he still took the fight on then came back and beat him like unbelievable career yeah i used to watch him were you talking maybe 10 years ago yeah this time but he was talking about the law of attraction he was talking about the head and how he believed and how he's seen the sequences and he put it into fruition, that is so important for people to understand.

36:00But now he's just went to the dark side a little with the drink and the drugs and he's got a lot of family issues going on with all the that's in the media. So maybe that's why he kind of went off the scales a bit. Well, blown up to that extent. It's like when they say power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts, absolutely. So when you get like the entire world's attention and everybody's kissing your ass to their fullest extent. Now you've got millions and millions and millions and millions and millions, and you can do no wrong. You know, it's sort of, um, I suppose it probably walks your perspective a little bit, I guess.

36:31Yeah. Becoming untouchable, but then no one's untouchable. See, with the sort of MMA, do you think that potentially saves your life? Because obviously you were quite a troubled kid being expelled and angry. Do you think the MMA kind of quietened the mind down? I wouldn't know where I'd be without MMA, but the, I had no family in Manchester and, um, I don't talk to my mum very much. I got kicked out from her house when I was about 17, 18-ish. The only reason why I know so many people, I've got so many people in the community that I can ring up and say, oh, can you come and help me out? Oh, can you do this favour for me?

37:08How many people that you can really rely on, but they become like your family because once you've twatted someone and they've twatted you, you know someone on a deeper level. So it provides like, you know, a sense of community where you didn't have one, you know. So MMA provided that for me. It became like a family for me in Manchester. Is that the first time you felt as if you had a proper family? No, no, no. When I was living in London, we had my two aunties that lived there from South Africa as well. And then all my cousins who were like my sisters. And we all lived like, so they lived in on Wood Green, Bounds Green area.

37:41And then my other one lived in Wils and Green, which is near Dollis Hill. We lived in Archway, so we were all in North London. It was really nice. We used to go around each other in houses for Christmas and we'd all see each other all the time. Then suddenly I moved from that to Oldham and then I actually had none of that at all. No one was there. I didn't get to see my dad very much. I wasn't really on super good terms with my mother at the time and I didn't have any family in Manchester at all. They became that for me. it's mad and how we can gravitate towards stuff and it kind of keeps us not alive but keeps us saying where you feel part of something i guess that's why a lot of people join the army and stuff to feel part of something when japan invaded korea they banned martial arts and loads of other places in in asia where um even america i think they stopped people practicing martial arts when they when they occupied japan because while obviously you know you can't fight against a gun really you can try and you might win but unlikely that you're going to win against an army if you're if you're doing kung fu or whatever, you know, but it's the, but the, the, what it provides is, um, is communities of men that know each other and like each other and are willing to fight for each other and care about each other.

38:51And that's the, that's the, the main opponent to an occupying force, you know? So, so, uh, I'd say get involved with martial arts and become part of a community yourself and you'll know loads of guys that can help you out in a time of need or struggle and you can help them out and so on and so on and so on. And you can build a community like that because you know strong men that care about each other uh that's the backbone of of society totally you know because we create society and we defend society so yeah but i always say it but there should be some element for kids to be doing some sort of combat sports because not only it teaches you discipline but teaches you ain't made of glass definitely and it's the brotherhood like you say the people you aspire you become best friends with even though you might hate them at the time because you maybe get a couple of good punches but there's an element of respect well all all male friendships you know if you if you look at how a male friendship group works will be like oh you're a ginger cunt you're a fat bastard you're a freaking this and whatever and you get you actually bond by by insulting each other and being mean to each other and whatever and you sort of like end up becoming closer friends so with mash lads like an exaggerated version of that because you're actually physically harming each other to a certain extent sometimes you're getting really you get slammed on your head or or whatever but it brings you much much closer together it's fucked up yeah that's just how people how people are you know my friend is driftless.

40:01If people see our group chat, we're definitely going to jail. Yeah, exactly. But that's how it should be, because you have to be completely open with each other in order to trust each other. But we teach kids how to swim, but how often do you actually find yourself in the water? Obviously, we do go to the seaside, we do go to swim pools, and you do go on holiday, but most of the time, you're much more likely to get picked on on the street and attacked on the street as a young man than you are to drown. Drowning is such a rare way of dying really, but getting stabbed or getting knocked out on a night out is a much more frequent, like much more clear and present danger.

40:33But we put like zero effort into showing children how to like, move your head out the way or put your hands somewhere where in front of the things that come into your face, you know, just basic stuff like that. And we don't show children anything like that. Yeah. You always seem to have had yourself not in danger through your own faults, but there's always been elements of danger in your life until now you've always got dangerous situations, but it was a situation where you got stabbed. It was a situation where you felt this could be lights out here. How was that experience? It wasn't as bad as what I thought it was, as what I thought it might be.

41:08I don't know how I would have reacted if I hadn't done MMA, if I hadn't been knocked out like five times, if I hadn't been used to being roughed around or whatever, I might have taken it a lot worse. There's a book called On Killing by this guy called Lieutenant Dave Grossman, and he talks about how in the past, in World War I and before, a lot of people would intentionally miss because they didn't want to shoot another person, or they'd freeze, or they'd reload, they're going to act like they're doing something, etc. So they had to bring in, like while you're shooting a target, they'd blow something up nearby so you'd get used to the stress and the loud noises.

41:41They do the same thing with riot police training and with the horses or whatever, they'll expose them to air horns and things that would otherwise stress them out or whatever. So you're used to training in a realistic environment. Then they moved it from bullseyes to figures of people. And so when they train snipers, they'll have like model people with like balloons full of blood that they'll shoot. So you've seen it, it's happened before. So getting used to the stress of fighting allows you to be used to stress just generally in your life. So when I got kidnapped, I got kidnapped by a bunch of guys who looking for my friend over a beef they had in North Manchester.

42:17They were trying to look for him. So we were using his van to help my other friend move house, which is moving his personal belongings from where he was living to where he was moving to. And they followed the van. And so when we parked up, they just came in the van and got me and pulled me out and put me back of a BMW X5, I think it was. And they took me to Boggart-Owl Clough, which is in Blakely and they were holding a gun to my head and trying to get information as to whether or not where my friend was and where he lived and all the rest of it and I said well I don't really know because I didn't really know I just like used to know him a bit I was only using his van it wasn't like my it became a much better friend later but I didn't have a lot of personal information to him so I because of I can I can talk in a clear way I was like I should buy weed from the guy man you know I'll just go to university and whatever and so they ended up letting me go after stabbing me in my bum hole.

43:08So that's how it happened really. So yeah, but it didn't affect me so much because I was more concerned with just trying to lead the situation and looking for any exit to the situation. And that's what martial arts gives you. Even the worst situation, you can think about, can I make it better in somehow, rather than going, oh my God, I'm going to die. What am I going to do? Et cetera. That doesn't help anybody. So if you don't train martial arts, you're more liable to break down hysterics than if you did. How does that shape you then? Does that make you become more focused on martial arts because you know the dangers that are out there?

43:44Well, it's all about probability. There's no solutions, there's only trade-offs. You can learn martial arts as much as you want if 12 guys come and try and attack you with weapons. You're fucked, aren't you? But it allows you to have a greater the probability of surviving. And so focusing on it, it lets you... This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security and pass keys, you're protected at every step.

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45:39So you became a bouncer as well. Where did that happen? About eight or nine years ago, something like that. So my friend was just working at that Wave bar over, it's actually owned by this hotel over on there. used to be like... It was like Piccadilly Gardens but on the inside with alcohol. And then I used to go in there and hang out with him all the time. He was like, listen, you just go and just get your SAA badge. So I went into the Job Center at the time, and the Job Center puts you on courses because the Job Center pays for everyone to do SAA courses now. So now you'll find loads of people that don't speak English and can't do the job properly and don't deserve to be anywhere near a front door of a nightclub or anything doing the job.

46:17But I got my badge for free from doing that. And I ended up working as a bouncer in Manchester and all of them in Rochdale and, and that's, and elsewhere, Williams, all over the place really. So what sort of a bouncer were you? Because we know now we've got all different bouncer. We've got a big scary bastards who probably can't fight. You've got the peacemaker. You've got one who talks to everybody. Like a lot of boxers and MMA guys do the doors because they can handle themselves and like to defuse the situation. Majority of them like to fight as well. He has some free punches, but what sort of bouncer over you um i just really enjoy the job personally because i used to like enjoy and watch other people fight like across the road after we kicked them out it's not a problem anymore that's always fun the the close protection world is very boring you know like if you're um if you're working for a football team or a famous celebrity or whatever you know you might go and park outside a fancy restaurant or you'll be on a residential security team on a man on a mansion that occasionally gets someone with a with trying to take a picture or something but most of the time you've got the people that are employing you've got so much money and to employ five six seven ten guards you know uh so you might be stuck in in a hotel lobby for 12 hours doing nothing you know so it's a very boring job but working the doors there's you know there's there's people to talk to things that are going on um arguments that unfold i just enjoy a good argument really so i just like to have a bit back and forth with people and occasionally you know you you twist someone up but I don't feel the need to really beat anybody up because when you do martial arts, you've done that with people that are really much more skilled and can beat you up back, so you don't get the same enjoyment out of whacking people.

47:52So a lot of people think, oh, well, Bowsers, they're just horrible bastards and whatever because you're drunk, you've done something wrong, you feel bad, and all you can remember about the fact is that the doorman is a cunt because he didn't give you what you want or whatever. But then when you... I used to hate doormen myself. I used to fight with them all the time when I was a young lad and then I ended up becoming a doorman. I was like, oh, I was, it was actually my fault. That's what I mean. So it's, um, I wasn't any particular type of bouncer. I wasn't like a big tough guy or I wasn't like a, um, you know, just a shirt filler or anything.

48:22I just did the job, let people in. If you do anything wrong, then you leave. Simple. Did you have much trouble? Uh, there's always trouble. Anyway, there's alcohol and drugs. There's always, there's always trouble. Yeah. Do you know how that way you throw someone out in Glasgow? My dad was a bouncer. he worked in many of the big clubs but yeah people used to come back with the shotguns and the yeah the machetes because obviously it was a tough job then but i think back then the we used to have a nightclub called the savoy but the bouncers used to fucking leather up people used to batter them well it's still like that in spain if you've got a benedorm it's still like that the police will do that in spain yeah like it's old school 80s sort of mentality don't fuck with the bouncers because we used to know don't go to that club because they will kick out yeah did you ever have anyone come back with any tools or any blades um not not not really i've got a lot of people that say that type of thing or everyone likes to say oh i'm gonna go my friends are gonna turn up on the car park in half an hour you wait till you're finished and whatever but people say that to me all the time you know so it's uh um when people come back separate that though because 99.9 percent of people just waffle shit they're drunk they wake up with a hangover for the fear yeah there's always that one percent zero zero point one percent who will wait in your garden or follow you home from work like can you because if there's no meaning to it like the boy who cried wolf but if you're crying that wolf fucking a thousand times and nothing happens you think you can switch off well yeah but you know like if you're a doorman like in a community you get to know the people that are involved and you get to know the people that come to your club all the time and come to your pub all the time and you end up becoming friends with them and so you get them to do the job for you really of calming everybody down.

49:57So once you become established and respected in a certain place, then it becomes socially unacceptable to say something like that because the owner will know you're not going back there. You can't go and socialize with all your friends or the rest of it. So it's not always like that. In the past, you have CCTV, which would be like one frame, four seconds, another frame. Like in the Jamie Bulger killer, if you looked at the CCTV for that, It was like, who's there? Who's there? Who's there? But now you've got really, really advanced CCTV that can see everything. Sometimes you can even hear people, people wearing body cams or the rest of it.

50:30So it's not the same. And the nightclub scene isn't the same anymore. It's majorly, majorly died down. So there's not so much money in it anymore. So it's much more well-regulated and much smaller. So there's less room for dodgy people to really be involved with it. And that just comes because there's not enough money in it anymore. So they've got better stuff to be doing, like going out and selling drugs to people are at home in kitchens telling stories, you know? So yeah, you know? Now that you put it up with the body cams and not as many people, it will not be as fun, I'd imagine, or not as exciting as it used to be.

51:02Yeah, well, it's not as lucrative like the hacienda. There's so much money to be made from drugs at a club like that in the 90s that it attracts people that are willing to use extreme violence and have guns and the rest of it. But now, it's not that lucrative to get to be involved in the drug scene in nightclubs and the rest of it, you know? so how did the charlie beach stuff start well i'd seen him about uh while fundraising i'd met him doing that and then i used to work at a jewelry store called boodles and he used to he knows all the security guards in in the city center because he'd always been city center film filming etc so at boodles we used to have one guard outside one guard inside and we do rotations so i used to be out on the on the on the street on king street and um he'd walk by and we'd talk talk to each other and about whatever's going on and i used to put like you know stickers up and take other people's like weird lefty stickers down.

51:49I put stickers up to say like, you know, smash cultural Marxism and anti-communist action and stuff. So I used to wage like a propaganda sticker war and then take everybody else's down and rest of it. So we ended up bonding over that type of stuff. He was walking down the street watching like a Alex Jones video on his phone or whatever. So, you know, we got all in common like that. And then it was lockdown, it wasn't lockdown, it was lockdown. So there was lockdown process. So I'd see him out about on the on the process and we just ended up becoming friends like that. and then I used to come out with him because it'd be fun.

52:18And then obviously the amount of abuse that he gets and the people trying to grab his camera and, you know, swap the camera away and interfere with him filming. I ended up just naturally being like, no, you can't do that. I'm sorry. And then he realized if you do that enough, that's like a job into itself, really, you know? So that's how I ended up working for him. He was like, well, I'm making money from YouTube. You're doing this job for me. So you may as well have a portion of it. It makes me more free to be funny and say what I want on camera, you know, without, you know, if you're afraid you don't have the ability to say like witty remarks you know and like people like oh you're a coward child you're this whatever i'm like he's not a fighter he's not a security guard his job is youtube vlogger who likes to say funny things on camera like he doesn't have to be a fighter you know so and he doesn't deserve to be accosted for the wrong opinions or attacked for people that disagree with him or anything so his job is to make the content and my job was to to to allow him to make the content and that's fine how much shit does he actually get charlie how much abuse does he get?

53:15Is it potential life or death? Or is it just a case of maybe getting beat up? Or was it at that stage now where people are getting killed? Is that a possibility? Well, it used to be like 90 % positive and then 10 % like people who are hostile. Now, I'd say it's about 20 % hostile, but that's enough. You know, like the, like in the American Civil War or the Revolutionary War, it was like two or 3 % of people that ended up actually fighting. So it's always, it's only, you know, it only takes one person with a, who's committed with a, with a, knife or a weapon to do something horrible, really. So it doesn't matter how many people are really popular, how popular you are.

53:48There's always one person that's going to hate you. But he can't stand around in the city centre without being someone going, Charlie Veitch, and then being mobbed up on it. And most people want to shake his hand and take a picture. And there'll be a number of people that want to stand around and take photos and just see the drama unfold. And so there's not one person in Manchester that doesn't know his name, I don't think so. It's impossible for him to walk around. He's been doing YouTube before it was on by Google, you know, so that's how long he's been on there making videos. And so that's how well known he is.

54:18So he can't live a normal life without someone there to just make sure he's gonna be all right, really. What was it like doing the first viral video when you're done with him? Do you remember it? I remember elbowing that kid. Yeah. And that was, I was like, well, that's going to be a very popular video. And it turned out to be a very, very popular video.

54:42I've watched it a few times. I don't know. I used to come back when I first started work with him, and I'd get in the shower and I'd be having a little weird little panic attack. And then after a while, you get used to the stress of it. At various times, I've been followed down the street by a guy carrying a TV that he was going to take to cash generators, who's trying to start a fight really were holding a widescreen TV in his hand. It starts off in Manchester, it's about 12-ish. So if you come to Manchester now, it's okay for a bit. And then people start waking up from their drunk stupor, and then go to town to hang out.

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57:50And so it becomes like, even if you're not involved with it, there's still like a giant crowd, which attracts more people and more people and more people. Then you've got to watch to see who's friendly, who's neutral and who's actually hostile. And so it becomes predictable. If you hang about on the gardens for more than a few hours, someone will bother you. What was your daily routine like? Were you just going out just winging it? Or was it planned to then cause a lot of chaos and drama? Well, I mean, he's a funny guy, and occasionally he winds people up, that's true. But what you don't see is that someone will walk past him and be like, yeah, you're a fucking nunce, or you'll say something to him, and then he'll get his camera out and go, excuse me, what are you saying?

58:27And then, so to the observer, it looks like he's started it all, but you haven't seen what happened two seconds before someone came up to him and tried this or that. So it looks like, from his perspective, he's winding them up. But in reality, a lot of the time, they're coming to us. People are always going, oh yeah, Fred, you pick on the weak and vulnerable and whatever. Because that elbow, he's not a pro fighter. The guy that I kicked and slapped, he's not a pro fighter or anything. The guy that I kicked and elbowed and kicked in Liverpool, he actually has had two fights in a way, believe it or not, and he's abused his dog.

58:58He's on camera abusing his dog. What do you mean abused his dog? It's in the video of him. He's got a conviction for... He's called Radman, I forget what his first name is anyway, but he's like a committed lefty and he's on camera with a big stick hitting his bull mastiff that he's like starved and you know banging on its kennel and scaring it on purpose and he's got a conviction for that. But these people like I say they're not they're not like super scary prospects but if you look if you actually watch most of the videos I don't hit anybody. I really don't hit anybody and I try to de-escalate it and I try and move people away from it as much as possible because you know the whole content is going to where people are in order to film them who are going to be hostile.

59:35So you can't stay away from it completely. But, you know, I'm moving people. I'm giving people plenty of chances to go away and leave us alone. I even say, like, let's stay back. Go away from me. Go away from me. Go away from me. At a certain point, I end up whacking them. But, you know, as far as the... So we're not trying to cause any drama, but it will find you. If you're hanging about with Charlie, it will find you. So the routine is... The way Manchester is, basically, in other parts of the UK, you'll have different centres where antisocial behaviour goes on, like in certain parts of the city.

1:00:09Whereas in Manchester, because of the square and Market Street is so busy, it's got all the migrants, all the crackheads, all the drug dealers, all the drunks, and then all the normal tourists and all the Chinese exchange students, and then also all the general public that are doing the shopping, it's just condensed them all into one big content farm in the middle of Manchester City Centre, with almost no police. So really, it doesn't matter who you are. If you go there and stand there for an hour, you will see various crimes. That's just how it is. Who's your biggest haters? What group? The left?

1:00:40Recently Islamists, but the lefties, yeah, they try and put my license number on the internet and try and get me reported to the SIA to get my badge revoked. They try and find out what my car reg number is, and they try to find out where I live. Just to try and ruin your life essentially. But it's hilarious, really, because they'll come up to you, try and touch you, try and grab your camera, try and hit you. And by you putting your arm out and saying, no, actually, you're not allowed, then once you touch them, everybody will go, oh my god, I can't believe you're doing this or whatever. So, I can't believe you're doing this, you're, that's the soul.

1:01:14They'll become legal scholars after you've stopped, you said, no, you can't grab someone's camera, I'm sorry. So, like I say, it doesn't matter, though, whether, like I say, 2 plus 2 equals 5 to these people. So, they're not asked about whether you're actually really in the right or not, they just don't like you. And that's how it is. They view me as an enemy or a propaganda victory that walks on legs against the left, essentially. So they want to come and try and take me down and it's died down a little bit, but then I'm sure at some point I'll do something else in the future and they'll try again to expose me and whatever.

1:01:49Yeah, they're always going to be a smear campaign, especially when it comes to politics. that's been left. They're always very well organized, but it's only a very small group, but they are the loudest. You'll tend to see it's a lot of the same faces and all these protests, probably a lot of coppers there as well. They want to create the unrest, but they are very well organized. And they're very... They're very sleek in their ways, you know, where people are losing their jobs, people are losing their livelihoods. And that's why a lot of people don't go to protests because their whole life can be ruined by, like you says, in your metal band, you got a photo with Tommy and you're kicked out.

1:02:24People are losing, not as much now because a lot of people are waking up. We've got mothers and children now hitting the streets. It's not just skinheads and far right and Nazis and people who hate the world. It's not the way it is. I went to the protests. I'm a big fan of free speech and illegal immigrants there's got to be some sort of paperwork not just in the UK but worldwide I think people are so uneducated about refugees legal immigrants and illegal immigrants illegal immigrants isn't about race it's about people entering different countries without any paperwork I've spoke to families who our daughter was raped and there was no trace of the man who raped her because there was no trace of him being here that's a massive concern as a father I don't care the fuck what colour you are you've got Polish who maybe immigrate, the Scottish have done it in New York, the Irish.

1:03:10There's always been immigration. They're going there and working. There's people coming here in the hotels, taking the free food, taking the free money, queuing up the NHS, and there's no record of who they are. It's just, if you're willing to provide, if you're willing to work, the UK is built on immigration, but it's people not, it's not about. I wouldn't say built on it. Yeah, but you know what I mean? It's very mixed. It's multicultural, which is amazing for the culture. but again Scottish culture is because of Scottish people English culture is because of English people but illegal immigrants is a different ball game young fighting men coming over raping women raping children not everyone I'm not telling everyone but there's got to be some element of tracing who they are what's their background if they get criminal records we can't be putting them next to schools where we're putting our children in danger there's enough women now and kids standing up outside these protests to then go enough is enough but again you'll have anti-protest They'll have protesters against the protesters, which is fucked up in my eyes because it's common sense.

1:04:09You don't have to fight and argue because you'll see them with their little flags saying refugees welcome. Nobody has any problems with refugees. It's about illegal immigrants. Well, they're not, they're not, you can't really say that you're a refugee properly, really, unless, if you've moved to this country that's safe before you've come here, then you can't be a refugee, really. Yeah, but a refugee is someone that comes from a war-stricken place. Exactly. For women and children, by all means, you're more than welcome. A refugee is someone who can't go back because it's a war zone. Illegal immigrants again.

1:04:38But they'll use the future thing as a reason for it. If you speak Arabic, and you get rid of your passport, they can't prove that you've not come from Syria. You could come from Egypt, but there's no war. But they can't prove, unless you're an expert on Egyptian dialect and the rest of which most people are not, you can't prove that you don't come from Syria or from Iraq or wherever really, where there might have been some trouble. It's used as a loophole to get round really, I think. They'll say I'm a refugee, but really, are they a refugee? If you're leaving your family and your community as a man, rather than sending your women and children away, you should be there fighting, looking after them, making sure that your own country is secure.

1:05:18Not everybody can do that, and there's loads of horrible situations. I've met plenty of people that have come here from Libya or from Iraq that have come from terrible situations, and that's horrible rest of it, but at a certain point, and we almost have a responsibility to some people, it'd be nice to help, it's always nice to help people from a position of strength to get back on their feet if you're deserving of it, but at a certain point, if you look at international geopolitics, you've got to take your feelings out of it. How can we be responsible for everybody's problems? At a certain point, how can we look after every single person that's fleeing from a war zone and take them to this tiny little island in the far west of Europe?

1:05:55That's just not a practical consideration, is it really? And it's interesting, I think, because they talk about far-right, or the rest of it. The amount of actual committed far-right Nazis in this country is a minuscule, minuscule number. If you look into far-right ideology, if you look into Julius Heveler, or Savitri Devi, or Giovanni Gentile, or Oswald Mosley, or Adolf Hitler, or anything like that, these are big intellectual deep dives on the nature of reality, whether you agree that or not is really irrelevant. But to go in and say that people waving flags, who like to go with the spoons and like a pint of Stella, are far right.

1:06:36It's ridiculous. You're tarnished as far right if you think that crime is bad. The lefties have these stickers that go, I waged a sticker war. So let's take all these stickers down. A big one needs to use, they'd be, no one is illegal. I'm like, criminals are illegal people, by definition. So they want to change the definition of crime. So like, well, murder is fine, I guess, then you're doing drugs is fine, then. Exactly. In an existentialist world, you create your own meaning. And so if there's no god or anything, then you decide that anything's acceptable, essentially.

1:07:19So it's not a far right position to say people breaking into the country and raping someone is bad. Whether you believe in communist reorganization of the state for resource redistribution, or you believe in hypercapitalism, or you believe in fascism, or national socialism, or libertarianism, or any of these political ideologies, they've got nothing to do with people coming over illegally and doing crimes. That's not an economic position. It's not an ideological position. It's a security issue. So to go and paint all these people as far as far right for flying a flag, most people, they never read a book on what it means to be a fascist or a national socialist or anything like that.

1:07:55They've got no skin in the game for anything like that, really. They're just being tashed with the name because it's a shame tactic, a stigma tactic. And it's crazy because it's in the past. Adolf Hitler, he's the central figure of the 20th century. But it's like 80, 90 years ago at a certain point, are we going to be like, oh, you're a Napoleonist or whatever, you know, like, or you're a Julius Caesarist or you're a Genghis Khanist, like at a certain point, you know, they're using it as a method of tarnishing you with this association, with this like mid-century event. And it's like, we've got nothing to do with it now.

1:08:33The kids now haven't got any recent memories. We can still broadly remember, like we might know an 80 or 90 year old person that fought in World War II, but soon it's not going to have the same effects on it. People aren't going to feel bad for having the positions that they have. But it's been used to just to harness you, basically. People are making a stand, which is good to see, but you'll see people who go to the marches and then go to a little stall and buy Indian food. And people are saying, oh, look, how's that possible? Nobody's kicking Indians out of Pakistanis. People just concerned about illegal immigrants.

1:09:02You've got dick - I'm concerned about illegal immigrants as well. You've got dickheads though, in every walk of life. We've got our own enough dickheads here that we need to sort out, never mind bringing other people over. Absolutely. People will be like, you know, well, all the white rapists, whatever. I'm like, yeah, they're ours. They're our rapists. We have a responsibility to look after. So we should import more. From the Baroness Casey report, where she was talking about the inquiry into the grooming gangs and the ethnicities and the demographics involved, like you're 27 times more likely rape someone if you're an Afghan migrant, probably because we brought over all the worst people from these places, as we import all their criminals over here.

1:09:41So why are other people's criminals suddenly our responsibility? If you do a crime here, number one, the crime's been committed, the girl's been raped, someone's been hurt, whatever, right? And then we don't have to imprison you at the cost of the taxpayer, and make sure you're looked after them. When you get out, again, we've got to house you and make sure that you're looked after as if you were one of our own. How is that our responsibility? We're the British Empire, and for a while we had the authority over the world. And so with authority comes responsibility. And so the people that fought for us in World War II, and people from our colonies in Jamaica, or South Africa, or Australia, or India, we've got a reasonable responsibility to some of these people to look after them.

1:10:19The Gurkhas, for instance, we didn't give them, I'm not sure what their situation is right now, but we don't give them the same rights as what British people have, but we'll give some Somalian guy who's escaping whatever mad shit he's done in this country to come and, you know, come over on a boat. We'll go give him a four-star hotel, but we won't like stand up for the rights of people like from other countries that have fought for us. But if you have like 1.4 billion people in India, right, because India used to be a British colony, does that mean we should accept 1.4 billion? That's not possible, is it?

1:10:50You know, so that's just on a pure math level. So at a certain point, you have to say, even if you're like the most pro-immigration person, on a pure math level, you have to say there has to be some sort of limit. So like I say, in the 80s and 90s, we had a load of immigrants over, but it wasn't like you walk down the street and you don't hear English spoken, or you go to London or Leicester or Birmingham and it's majority non-white. They found Roman armour in Malaysia, Philippines from Asia. The Vikings went over to America, there's always been immigration, but now you've got planes. So with a plane, you can now go around world in a day or two.

1:11:27So whereas in the past it would take weeks and weeks and weeks of going around the world by a boat and walking from place to place or whatever. So now you can get large amounts of people coming to a tiny little area, how's that going to work out? Yeah, you can be flooded with thousands and thousands within weeks. Exactly. I mean, if you... What do you think the agenda is though? What do you think the bigger picture is behind it all? But why? Why would it cause so much unrest? Obviously, we've got the problem, the solution in it. What is the saying? Find a problem, create a problem, reaction, and find a solution.

1:11:58A lot of people are now saying it's going to be like facial recognition and all that stuff to put in place, but there must be a bigger agenda behind it. Well, like I say, when you impose something on someone, like with the ULES thing, people go around and start cutting the cameras down or the rest of it. But if you create a situation in which you actually end up asking for it, for the security and for the state apparatus to get involved in your life, life, then you can't go, oh, well, we didn't ask for that. It's like you've done it yourself. You've chosen that. You feel like you're a part of that choice.

1:12:28So when the situation gets so bad that it becomes like civil unrest, then the army can step in and take great control of society, et cetera. Maybe it'll go like that. Maybe it won't. But that could be one situation. But also you've got to remember these people that are in government are like, look at Keir Starmer. He was asked whether he was more for Westminster or Davos. And He's had Davos, which is the place in Switzerland where they have the World Economic Forum come to meet up. A lot of these people are committed globalists and don't believe in the idea of a nation at all. They think that they're a citizen of the world because they've got no connection to our communities.

1:13:12People are group-based animals, and in order to have a group, you just have people that are outside of the group. That's the beautiful thing about the world, as all the nations of the world are different in their own ways. People like to live in their own way, how they've chosen in their own area, like unaccosted. So you've got room all around the world for people to live in like an Islamic theocracy or a communist dystopia or, you know, or a hyper, like in El Salvador, you have Bitcoin runs everything, you know, people like to choose all that. That's the beauty. Like I'm actually for diversity, but if you have everybody blended together, like everyone's from everywhere, then no one is actually from anywhere.

1:13:48And then everything ceases to have any sort of meaning. So in order to define yourself, there must be something else outside of yourself that you define it by. But these other people, they don't see it like that. They just see it as a world global community. But actually, people like to live in different ways with people who they relate to. And in order to do that, you need to have an area where it's mostly a certain people, and another area where it's mostly a certain other type of people. And when you blend everybody together, it works for a bit, but as soon as the times get hard, people naturally drift their ethnic group and all that stuff.

1:14:24So you end up engineering violence. If you look at Yugoslavia, you had Tiso, who's the dictator there, yeah, exactly. And he controlled Yugoslavia for a while with an iron fist. He had a communist socialist type authoritarian state. And then after he died, the Croats and the Bosnians and the Muslims and the Albanians, and they all started going back to their own particular groups and fighting with each other. Same with Iraq, you know, when Saddam used to control it all through violence and through fear, and he had total domination. Then once he was deposed, then you were left with an artificial country with people of all different ethnicities in it.

1:14:59The Kurds don't even have their own state, they're split between Turkey and Syria and Iraq, the rest of it. They don't have their own state. So everyone ends up going back to their own particular group and fighting for people that for the look like them and against people that don't look like them. That's just the nature of how humans are. So in order to actually have like friendly race relations, race relations, you need to actually have space for people to be their own ways. And then you can trade with each other and you can be friends and you go to my house and come over to your house, but I don't like force myself into your house that I live here now or else, you know?

1:15:33And so if you want to cause a giant, giant fight, you'd have to like, if people are prepared to fight over what football in this sport. How do you think they're going to react when you've got 20 different ethnic groups with wildly different beliefs? I mean, in Northern Ireland, we had a civil war. People think that civil war is impossible, but we had a civil war in this country since the 70s with the Troubles. And people in Northern Ireland were getting on with each other, they had their problems or whatever. But then you had Protestants and Catholics that were walking around, and overnight, when the Troubles started, they became more enemies, and they wouldn't associate with each there anymore.

1:16:03And these people are both Christian and both white. And if you're being realistic, over hundreds and thousands of years, this country has been a thing. Everyone's got an Irish cousin. Everyone's got a relative that lives in Scotland. My family are Irish and English and South African and whatever. And if people are prepared to fight over those, in the grand scheme of things, tiny differences and blow each other up and nail bombs and the rest of it, how do you think it's going to be when it's the Hindus and the Ethiopians and the Eritreans and the Pakistanis and whatever, all living in one situation.

1:16:32You know, it doesn't work like that. Do you think there will be a civil war here in the UK anytime soon? Um, I think it's a, it's a, if you look at the pattern of how other civil wars have emerged and the conditions that give rise to them, like, like I just mentioned, Yugoslavia or Iraq or look at Kashmir. I mean, the, the, the word Pakistan means clean or pack means clean or pure, right? And because they wanted to separate themselves off from the Hindus after the British Empire left Southeast Asia. They wanted to not be ruled along with the Hindus or live in their Hindu pagan way or whatever.

1:17:07They wanted to create their own place with their own rules. And so if you look at the place where there's the most violence in there is Kashmir, where you've got Muslims living in Hindu areas and Hindus living in Muslim areas. It seems like a predictable formula that if you get multiple people, multiple groups of people, force them into a small area, and then turn the benefits off at some point, they're going to end up fighting with each other. That's what I mean when I say the right stands for nature, because it would be nice if we could all just get along and hold hands and sing the Coca-Cola song about it.

1:17:38It's a better world to drink. The face of me. Exactly. We all come by. That's not how people are. So in order to actually have peace, you have to account for what people are like in groups of people. And I can get on with people from any nation, any background on an individual basis. but when you get groups of people together, they act in a psychopathic way. They don't have empathy for the outsider, etc., because that's the mechanism that has allowed people to survive in the past. People relied on each other. You have a hunter and a soldier and a policeman and people doing different roles in their society, and people relied on each other for food and for shelter and security, the rest of it.

1:18:17And so if we've grown up this way for millions and millions and millions of years, suddenly over the past 100 years, we've gone actually, all that doesn't exist anymore. And we're all the same. And there's no difference between us. And we're all just blank slate individuals. But we're not. We're just not. So that's how it is. So if you want to be friends, it's like if you work in security, and there's two people that you know, don't like each other, then the security guards will be like, well, we'll sort of keep him away from him. And we'll keep him over there at this side of the club. And we'll try and not let them intermingle and whatever, because you understand what the result is going to be.

1:18:48So if you've got people that are like, India and Pakistan, we're going to kick off with each other, all of a sudden you had fights on the streets of London between Indians and Pakistanis, fighting over a war that's going to happen thousands and thousands and thousands of miles away, because you know these people don't like each other. So if you put two people that don't like each other, put two dogs in the same cage, they're gonna rip each other up, yeah? Do you think Christians and Muslims can go on in the same country? I'm not educated enough, I've never read the Bible, I've never read the Quran.

1:19:18I've got many Christian friends and many Muslim friends. Same. Always great people. Yeah. When I was at the rally, I got attacked at Anuba and he was a Muslim guy and he was so pleasant, so soft. I'm talking about family life. So I understand arguments of both ends. I hate the divide. The divide, again, it's easy to control. It's the old saying divide and conquer. We understand that. But do you think realistically they can get on under the same roof or do you think they'll try and force their own religion onto other people? Well, I think, I think if you look at the Middle Ages, people were killing each other over what type of Christian they were or weren't.

1:19:54Protestants were killing Catholics, Catholics were killing Protestants, and so forth. So it's not like Christianity doesn't have its own problems, right? But broadly, Christianity as an ideology is one that holds its hands out and says that everybody can be a part of this thing. Judaism was just for the Jews, for the Israelites, the 12 tribes of Israel, and you had to be circumcised and be related to the rest of it. Then Jesus came up to reform Judaism and said that actually, no, you don't have to cut your dick up anymore. And everybody can be part of this global Kumbaya type movement or whatever.

1:20:22And historically, Muslims and Christians have lived in the same lands before and Jews and got on with each other for a certain period of time. I think broadly, it's all under the same, is it Abrahamic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, you think of the world in terms of nation states that you have now with clear defined borders, but most people had never seen a map in the past. In the Middle East, it's all desert, so there's no real need to have borders. They'd have Bedouin tribes that would be nomadic and walk around, but it would travel around the whole Middle East, but there wouldn't be borders in the same way as before.

1:20:55Even in Europe, you had kingdoms or mafia empires of broad spheres of influence. But the Kingdom of Italy was only established in 1901 or 1900, or Germany is a pretty recent creation as far as the nation state is concerned. People used to live in what are called Palais, or city-states. Jerusalem would be a city-state, or Florence, or Rome would be city-states, and they'd be self-governing entities. Muslims and Jews and Christians have historically lived in periods of conflict and periods of peace with each other. So I think it's possible, but there's only one religious ideology that demands that you do their thing.

1:21:42Whereas Christianity says, well, if you don't believe what I believe, then it's up to God to judge you when you die. Whereas in Islam, it says, fight the disbelievers until they find themselves to be subdued. So they want you to like what they like or else, whereas Christians are like, well, here's what I believe. You're welcome to join in if you're not, but we're not going to impose a tax on you or make special rules on you or take you into slavery or anything like that. Usually, I think if there's a broadly Christian outlook on society which holds hands out to everybody, then everybody can live in peace.

1:22:18Like I said, I've got loads of Muslim friends, loads of Muslim friends really, because I've lived in Rochdale and Oldham and whatever. I pretty much live on the border of Kashmir myself. you know? And they're fine on an individual basis, but if you create an area where they're the majority, then they'll impose their rules on you, whereas our rules are live and live. The English way is, I won't bother you as long as you don't bother me, you can say what you want, and as long as I can say what I want, and we can leave the disagreements, we can disagree with each other as hard as we want, but broadly, you've got the right to live in your way, I've got the right to live in my way.

1:22:51And that's made us weak in a certain way, because we're tolerant of people that are intolerant of us. So just because you get on with someone on an individual basis. I've got people from... Through MMA, I've got on with so and so many people from so many different diverse backgrounds. But when you get groups of people together and they elect representatives, they do what the representatives elect them to do. That's why you've got people advocating for an airport in Pakistan funded by the British taxpayer because there's Muslim areas that are elected Muslim MPs that are advocating for themselves because they advocate for themselves as a group.

1:23:27That's what every group would do. So yes and no. Yeah, that's what I've been speaking about as well. When you go to Saudi Arabia, you'll never see any chapels, there'll be no kind of Christians running as mayor or presidents. We've got a lot of Muslim mares here. The Muslims will be loving that, like I say. It's the individuals like you say is very well put but you're saying when people come in groups is to give people understanding because like we're not targeting everybody i've got friends in all walks of life including yourself especially when in the the martial arts community everybody's different all skin colors all races or all religions whatever but we're living in a day where the whole internet can fuel people with absolute hate yeah and we're living in a day and age where people are being gravitated.

1:24:14I don't know if social media is programming everyone to choose a side. Are you religious yourself? Sorry? Are you religious yourself? I was baptized recently. I'm not extremely religious myself, but I felt God's presence in different times when he's saved me or helped me in the past. I can't say that I understand everything about the Bible or what everything means, but I've got to believe in Jesus Christ and God. I'm a Christian. So that's what I believe. I can't say that I can fully articulate to you what it is I believe or why I believe. All I believe is that Jesus is sent to earth to kick everyone's ass into behaving properly.

1:24:51And I fall short of that standard and so does everybody else, but that's what I believe in anyway. Seeing you do go to the streets now, say you're with Charlie and you've been baptized, do you think you'll try and see the world differently or do you think you'll still be the same character? Well, I don't do anything. I don't attack anybody. So all I do is defend myself really or stop people interfering with someone else. If someone else starts to fight with me, I'll fight with you until the danger's gone, really. What does the Bible say about self-defense? Does it say anything? Well, I think there's turn the other cheek, I suppose.

1:25:26So you're encouraged to love their enemies, etc. But at a certain point, if someone slaps you in the cheek, offer them the other cheek as well. But a slap is a bit different from someone kicking your head in. At a certain point, you've got to play the ball as it lies. know and defend yourself i think what about the kid the boy you'd slapped and then the kidney kick what he went down like a fucking sack of cars it doesn't even look that hard the kick well what happened if you get kicked to the liver then you'll know about yeah so what it feels like you know everyone that's boxed or anything like that you know about it was sort of he wasn't expecting that he's he's used to being able to to pretend like he's got a knife or has a knife and get what he wants by intimidation no one's ever told him no before but if he got anything like the ass kissing that i got off that because i've been i've had loads and loads and outpourings of support because everybody that walks through any city centre in the UK, they see people like that and they go, I wish I want to slap him in his face.

1:26:16You know, and then I actually did it. So everyone really, really enjoyed it. Like, I know loads of fighters that try their whole career to get as noticed as what I've got off slapping that one kid. And people are like, oh, he's only a kid arrested. Well, listen, don't walk up to me pretending like you got a knife or I won't slap you and kick you and then get off. You know, that's like immediate laughter. I didn't kick his head in or anything. I just got off, you know, because I'm not waiting for him to get back up and actually produce something, you know so as soon as that was done whatever but if he if he got anything like the the ass kissing that i got but in reverse like that i imagine that would do some some i mean luckily he was wearing a mask so not everybody can can uh can can place him but i'm sure a lot of people will know who he was how is that when you're on edge and you're getting surrounded by people you're not paranoid obviously if you've been in stressful it sounds as if you've been a lot of stressful states your whole life but how is it when you're being surrounded by people with masks and Charlie's there with the camera.

1:27:07Do you ever think, what the fuck am I doing? Do you ever question it? Not really, because when there's a, maybe afterwards, but when there's a dangerous situation, you're just focused on whatever's in front of you. As soon as you start thinking about other things like that, then you're not paying attention to the situation that's unfolding in front of you and how to keep your client safe and how to keep yourself safe. What's the worst situation you guys have been in? Worst situation that we've been in? Just people throwing up. We had a giant crowd follow us down Market Street and it was becoming really hard to get away without attracting even more attention.

1:27:40The police were nowhere until 30-40 minutes into the situation. They were obviously watching it on CCTV. They could see a giant crowd of people walking down Market Street. One guy was doing the same, pretending to have a knife type thing on him, and the police actually eventually found a knife on him. If you look on that video, you can see a group of these Yemeni teenagers. They were actually passing a box cutter around themselves. It's actually on the screenshot. you can screenshot on the video the point where someone has like a box cutter he's passing it to his mate like actually on video so um i wouldn't know if it's the worst worst situation ever though it's just uh like i said i don't i don't think about how bad it is i just think about what you know the spans don't ask where how many are the enemy they just ask where are they so charlie's main set with all uh well i i'm i'm getting it a lot when i'm walking down the street i'm getting threats while i'm doing my shopping i'm getting like people who are uh trying to dox my location and you know i'm walking down the street people are honking their horns at me and trying to film me and all that stuff but i think that's like one tenth of what charlie's had for years and years and years so he's used to it to a certain extent but i think this um the recent situation with the assassination and whatever of charlie kirk um you know you know it is scary because it only takes one ideologically motivated individual to to do something like that yeah does he ever go he must not go alone then because his life must be in constant threat because i've seen some videos when there's been like 10, 20 kids chasing them up like escalators.

1:29:07Yeah. Yeah. Only takes that one kid. What if I am for himself? That's fine. And they're not, they're not thinking on a, on a, on a consequence basis either. They're not thinking about the future. They're just thinking like, I don't like you. I feel a certain way. Feeling. People are going to, and also you get the recognition and the respect of people that don't like him because you, and you're the guy that's embarrassed him, or you're the guy that's managed to hit him, or you're the guy that's supposed to do even worse to him, you know? So is it worth it for them or for us? As far as yours. um you're getting the popularity you're getting the views but is it worth the hassle sometimes because now you're seeing how dark it is you don't want to be with your kid and some dick kids no recording like it does put your life under a stressful situation you know i started doing it and because i wasn't i'm like i'm 34 years old so like i grew up on myspace and whatever i didn't really see the uh how how big social media was so i'm still operating according to the old rules so i just thought it was like a job i ended up hanging out with him then i do it as a job then i started to get noticed by the time you've been noticed and people know who you are that it's too late for you to go back to the a different line of work so i've had to just run with it and try and take it even further really because i'm already at the position where everybody knows who i am so i may as well get the money out of it if i can do you know because i can't i can't go and work in tesco's now i can't go and work in costa so that's that's where i'm at it's like you know like like like like tommy you know he um what's he gonna do if he decided one day i don't want to do this anymore what what job would he do you know couldn't do a job could he do you think you've just went too far ahead that you can't turn back.

1:30:29Exactly. Exactly. So here I am. Do you enjoy it? I enjoy it. It's fun for about the first month where that's happening. It's fun for a bit because you're getting your ego stroked and you're getting your ass kissed and you're like, yeah, I'm really cool. I'm fucking slapping people and all these viral videos and whatever. And then you start the threats start coming in and then you're trying to like open your front door to go in your house and people are like, hey, you're that guy from that video. And then it's like a bit stressful or whatever. And then so then it's like death threat, you're going to die.

1:30:56I'm really cool. I feel really nice. I feel really awesome. And I'm going to die. Someone's noticed me. So it's strange. If I had an argument with you, a really bad argument, at the end, I might say something really horrible to you. And in the context, it might make sense. Or if you did something amazing, let's say you saved some woman from a burning building and everybody was like, wow, James English, you're a hero. I love you. But now people come up to me and be like, yeah, you're a hero. I love you, but I've not done anything. And then people come up to you and be like, I fucking hate you. I'm going to kill you.

1:31:20But I've not done anything either. So your brain is used to going, oh, well. I can interpret things being bad or good based on if something actually happened, but then you're getting like the most extreme responses while you're walking around trying to do shopping. It messes with your head, definitely. And what you're thinking now, because now you see it firsthand when people are protesting, but now we've got the counter protesters, but what you're seeing now when you see them, are you totally seeing mental health? Are you totally seeing that these people are, because we spoke about it, there's no compromise and there's no common sense, that what are you seeing when people are just all out full of hate and rage?

1:31:57I find the left pretty funny to be honest with you. I just like it when people argue with me. So when people start sticking umbrellas in my face, I get a kick out of it. I'm not going to lie. I think it's fun to observe these people and to be around them or whatever. But you've got to remember these people, a lot of them, they're the most organized minority and they're being paid to come out here. That's why they've all got the same signs that say smash the far right. They're not making their own signs. They're all there because they're told to be there. They travel around the country to be at the same process.

1:32:24They look like the local communities turned out against the far right or whatever, which don't exist. But, you know, so I just find it interesting to observe and it's a bit of fun when stand-up to racism or some other Soros founded, Soros funded society decides to come and mess with me. That's the fun times. I like that. The crackheads are much worse. Is there a dump after it? With so much attention and maybe punching somebody or elbowing somebody, the next day are you drained? There was at a certain point, but now it's like when I wake up, I go on my phone and it's this subject again until the moment I go to sleep.

1:33:04It never ends. It's always constantly. So now I'm bathed in it. It doesn't give you the same spikes of adrenaline or cortisol or whatever you call it. Because I'm a big fan of Alex Jones and David Dyke. I know you like that sort of thing. David Icke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had David on twice, I'm getting him on again next month. Like I, when I was kind of digging through a transition in life, I smoked a lot of weed, took a lot of coke, made a lot of changes. Oh yeah. They kind of gravitated into my life for it, just made me even more crazy. Like I didn't know about Twin Towers and Who Runs The World and now we've got Blackrock and all certain things.

1:33:37Well, David Icke's a great speaker and I don't know if I agree with everything that he says, you know, about lizards and whatever, but I went to see him at Brixton Academy and it was a 12-hour thing with two-hour breaks. So I've been to a super tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracy conference, whatever, and it was fucking great. He'd be doing a slideshow and then there'd be Henry Kissinger up there and then the guy next to be like, yeah, that fucking Kissinger, I can't believe it. I was just in a room full of thousands of conspiracy theorists, whatever. He's very entertaining. I like him. but it's good now that everybody's questioning it all yeah but you can lose yourself down the rabbit hole people need to be careful because when you start looking at it and questioning fucking walt disney and start looking up at the skies and looking for chemtrails i was doing all this 10 years ago i think a lot of people now it's becoming trendy people don't really bother you as much by speaking against the grain david dight was talking about weather control 20 years ago and now we know what's cloud seeder well you know what's the difference between a conspiracy conspiracy theory in fact is about six months now.

1:34:41So, I mean, the word conspiracy is like, there are some conspiracies, which is true, and some conspiracies that aren't. Like, we're in this room now, we turn the cameras off, and we plot to do something, us three, you know, then we conspired to do something. Like, you know, if I say I've got a brick of cocaine here, do you want to buy it? Then the police will turn up and charge you with conspiracy to supply class A drugs. You know, that's conspiracy. It just means breathing together. So any business that does something in private and doesn't tell anybody about it, they're conspiring together to do a particular task.

1:35:12So the word conspiracy theory is there just to attach stigma and shame to an idea that someone disagrees with. But navigating your way through them all as to what's exactly right and what's exactly wrong, that's all up for debate. That's mad, don't you? It is fucking nuts. Your mind is such a powerful program and how we see the world but your views and thoughts can change the next day to the was yesterday everything it's mad because i know people went from the left to then they say they're on the right but again it's mad because charlie was on the left was he not he was a massive lefty well you know if you don't if you're not a left winger when you're young then you don't have a heart you know uh because you know you might want everybody to have a nice time that's like the the deepest urge everybody's that you want everything to be all right you know but then as you get older you have a brain you realize that life doesn't work like that and you become more right-wing because you understand that the rules that govern society actually promote peace and harmony, rather than destroying everything that makes the world what it is.

1:36:09And starting a blank slate equalism type thing doesn't actually end up in the results that you want. So that's normal. I think it's normal to be a left-wing. You've been wrong in the past. I'm sure you'll be wrong in the future about something that you've said. I've thought things that I don't think now, and I've done things that I don't think are right now and whatever, and I'll do that in the future. And then in the past, in the future, I'll be like, oh, that was wrong, but I don't know that until I've got there. So you have to allow for people to be wrong. And that's what the whole thing about freedom of speech is really.

1:36:39Because the more that these people come down on you and say, you're not allowed to say this and you're not allowed to say that, it forces people against them. And what if in the future they were going to come to your position and then And then, but now they'll never, ever come to your position because you've come so hard to them and turn them off that hard. So it's like, you know, do you catch more bees with vinegar or with honey? Since 2023, the UK has sent over 10 ,000 people or jailed over 10 ,000 people for social media posts. The worst in the world. Yeah, ridiculous. Like free speech is getting, David Dyke again spoke about this over 20 years ago.

1:37:15Free speech is getting took away and I'm massive for free speech. I don't care, I'll interview anybody. It's who you want. From all walks of life, say what the fuck you want. I might not agree with it, but that's okay. As long as you're not calling for violence on anybody. Yeah. And as long as you're not trying to force your own agenda onto me. Absolutely. I don't care because like I said, I treat people the way they treat me. Yeah. How do you deal with that being in such negative states all the time and out there? You probably love it, but can you see some goodness in the world as well? Because the majority of people just want to go on with their life.

1:37:41The majority of people just want to go on to work and do their thing. Well, you know, I went to the Tommy rally and like broadly, I, you know, I'm not, I'm not a big left fan. I'm not a big Antifa fan or anything like that. But I was with Audit in Britain down in the Tommy rally, and you'll see me on his video. I was protecting him from just doing a normal thing where people are trying to grab the camera and everybody's going, Nazi, Nazi. I mean, the guy's Algerian, you know, so they're talking to a guy that's like clearly brown, right? And they're like, you're a Nazi. That's how little it means at this point.

1:38:12You know, they're calling Jews Nazis, you know, it's just like make it make sense. But as they're all trying to mob up on us, there was one uh pakistani guy there i don't know if you're quite with mangladesha you know it was indian subcontinent right um and he had a kefir on and he looked apart and whatever and he came up and he was like listen i really i really don't agree with charlie but i really enjoy watching his videos and you're you know and you're great or whatever so and he like talked a few of them down just like listen just leave him alone it's not it's not worth it so even in even though most of them are like you know mob mentality feelings orientated there was one guy there i don't know his name was, but he was a really nice guy.

1:38:45And he was like, yeah, we'd think different things, but that's fine. And I was like, wow, that's amazing. I can't believe that really happened. It's so rare, but it does happen. So you have to allow people to be wrong. Maybe in the future, he might come over to my position and by being nice to him, be being fine with him and whatever, it might encourage him to come to my position in the future. And that's what we want really. If I was going to sell you a car, I would be like, buy the car now, you bigger. I'd try and make it as attractive to you as possible, you know? These people have no idea how they come across.

1:39:16They don't think about the optics of how they're coming across, or the things that they're saying, or how they're coming across in public. They're just as angry as possible, and they think they want to fight you, and whatever. But if they come out with signs which are expressing their positions, and trying to attract as many people as possible to their cause, and then when you film them, putting them in the faces of hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people, they suddenly don't want the cameras there, even though you're out on a public street, shouting as loud as possible to get the maximum amount of attention as possible.

1:39:45And then Charlie Veitch turns up, who you don't agree with, but then he puts camera in your face. So now you're showing to hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people, and you're like, stop filming, says the guy wearing the clown suit, with the neon flashing lights on you. It's like, look at me, don't look at me. It's bizarre. How do you think the UK is now? Do you think it will improve? Or do you think it's going to get worse before it improves? um well i probably if i'm being realistic i think um i think it will get worse because it's like you know when when an addict um when they experience like a really uh horrible event like someone dies or they're you know they reach rock bottom and they've uh all their friends and family don't talk to them anymore and they're on the street or whatever like that's what causes a lot of people to to change and and put their life back in order you know and um we have a chance to do it politically, but how often does it actually end up happening politically?

1:40:37If you look at the 20th century, there were two mass extinction events. It was World War I and World War II. We've had complete conflict all through the 20th century, all over the world. So that seems to be part of the course as to where we're going. We could, in theory, politically change something, send a lot of people home, and turn this country into a normal country, you know, where like, just like Thailand or whatever, Thailand's got millions of people that turn up there on holiday all the time. You know, there's loads of adverts in, in Russian and German on the street. People, you know, you hear all kinds of stuff on the street, but the Thai, you can't just become a Thai citizen, you know, and you've got to, you can stay there for a bit and then you've got to go home.

1:41:12You know, that's a normal country, you know? Uh, so that's, that's, that's all we want. You know, it was just a normal country where crime is not allowed. And broadly like there's rule that who can be, who can't be there. And, you know, you can't violently try and change the country to something that you want it to be. That's just normal, you know? But do I think we're going to actually manage to change it without some sort of violence? Probably not. If you just look at the rest of the world, they haven't managed to do it. Like, you know, we had the, even in America, we had the Revolutionary War where they decided to fight against us and the rest of it.

1:41:43It seems like, you know, Thomas Jefferson, he said, peace is the brief moment in time when everyone stands around reloading. So that's what people are like. People are violent. But wars is money. It's a big business. You know, you don't know if I always say it, but I think whoever controls it and operates the way the system is in the world, they're already a hundred years ahead. So the time we catch up to it, I think they've already moved on to their next stage or their next level of how they're going to corrupt the world. Stay in control. What is big business? It always has been. But again, it would be mad to see in the UK.

1:42:17It would be mad to see. Is it though? Because there'll be a... But there's been... Like I say, Northern Ireland was there. Yeah. And the IRA detonated the biggest bomb outside of World War II in the city center of Manchester, and people just carry on as normal after that. That's how crazy it is. And you're to the point where you watch these lefty protests, these Palestine protests, and there's dudes there that are openly flying like, you know, our time will come, IRA-type flags, walking down the street, on the street where they detonated a giant explosive and destroyed the city center. you know, people just don't care.

1:42:50Until it affects you, until your money runs out, until there's hyperinflation, you know, you have to take a wheelbarrow worth of cash to buy a loaf of bread, then you just don't care enough. And unfortunately, by the time it's got to that point, that's when you get the really extreme solutions. Like, what we're trying to do, on the right, Tommy, or whoever, like, you know, we could disagree on Israel, or we could disagree on whatever other subjects, like, you know, ideological difference or whatever. But like, that the main thing I think the right are trying to do in this country is prevent a Yugoslavia type or a civil situation or the fall of the Soviet Union where all the ethnic groups start kicking off with each other by just establishing a normal country like we had in the 70s or the 80s, you know?

1:43:28But like, you know, you look at 1930s Germany and we had the Treaty of Versailles, absolutely crippled Germany. And then they had the Great Depression, the money started becoming worthless. And what did they do? They went for the most extreme solution possible. So if you want to avoid that type of thing happening, if you want to avoid an extreme revolution, all you've got to do is just make a normal country. Did you ever watch the one with Hitler? Was it The Greatest Story Never To Be Told? Have you ever watched that? I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen some of it anyway. It's fucking mind-blowing.

1:43:58And whoever wins the world does rewrite history, but there's a lot more to these dictators. The same if you look at the Gaddafi route or Saddam Hussein. doesn't matter what the media portray, like when Saddam Hussein, it was a strict dictator. He's cool though. The fucking country was running smooth. And if you look at Gaddafi, what he'd done for pregnant women, healthcare, gave people farms to grow their own crops, education, obviously done a lot of bad stuff, but not as any worse than fucking Obama or Tony Blair. Have you watched The Sopranos? The Sopranos, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So Tony Soprano is like the most personable guy ever.

1:44:33You love him, he's the main character. He's really funny, really well respected, obviously because he's the boss of the New Jersey Mafia. But he's a horrible psychopathic murderer at the same time. So the whole story of The Sopranos is about how bad people can do good things and how good people can do bad things. And you expect a dictator to be this horrible, evil person that's just enforcing everything or whatever. But a lot of people loved Saddam, a lot of people loved Hitler. and, and, and, and, and, you know, and so it's, it's, people like to make out like geopolitics is like a soap opera, you know, where there's the baddies and there's the goodies or whatever, but in, in, in reality, there's, there's just different levels of, of baddies who are also sometimes good, you know?

1:45:11And then, but Germany was one of the worst countries in the world. And I think they were starting to bring the transgender movement. Yeah, they were. I think it was the first transgender was in Germany with the first operation. Yeah. Yeah. I believe in the burning of the books was all about burning of the trans books as well. So a lot of people are uneducated. I'm not educated enough though, to talk about Russia and Ukraine and Palestine and Israel. I just know there's bigger people behind it. I know there's bigger people behind the cutting of fun both sides and was I'm not all about the divide.

1:45:38I'm not going to put flags up my social media because I just don't know. I'm a Scotsman, I'm a proud Scotsman, but also love England, Ireland, Wales. That's my people as well. I travel around these places. Well, we're the same really. Yeah. You've got a funny accent. So that's fine. Like Australians are our brothers and Americans are our brothers. Because we're all the same people. Yeah. And we talk the same language. That's what I mean. but so it's important for people that binds us together that's true socialism patriotism is the only true socialism so important but when i go to the rallies and support tommy toughs he's my good friend as well as if i should be doing that because i'm from scotland no but i'm a scottish this is our islands this is our place yeah like i make money from everybody in the uk this is my people yeah you know what i'm saying i go everywhere i get probably more love in england than i do scotland and i'm scottish anybody ever try to invade scotland no matter the age i grab boots and a rifle and try and protect more and that's what people should do that's what men should do that's how you feel now right even though you can go and get a latte and you can go and get a flight to wherever you know things are still relatively okay as far as the standard living is concerned but if you took someone like you and put them in 1930s germany where you couldn't buy anything you couldn't feed your family you know that everything was falling apart and um and uh loads of your territory have been taken over by other countries etc now you start to get really really angry and get really, really freaking, you know, obsessed with defeating your enemies or rest of it.

1:46:57And you end up going, you know what, this whole democracy thing, it's not, uh, not really worked out for us. So I'd rather just, I, I'd rather just elect some extreme guy. It's just going to sort it all out for me, you know, cause it can't be any worse than we've already got. So if, like I say, I don't want it to get there because there'll be people that, you know, if you're worried about Tommy Robinson or whatever, like wait till 30 years from now and see what happens, like we'll see where people are at emotionally, you know, Tommy called it 20, 15 years ago, over 15 years ago, what was going to happen.

1:47:25People are making a stand, though. People are kind of uniting, which is a beautiful thing. Yeah. Just before I cut you off, you spoke about, because I'm all against illegal immigrants, I think, anyway on the world. It's illegal. But you says legal immigrants, you're also against why? Not entirely. But if you consider like in the Boris wave, after we left the European Union, right? One year he imported like 1.2 million people, you know? And then other years have been 600 ,000, 700 ,000, 800 ,000. If you do that for 30 years, then whether they're legal or not, you've now replaced half of the population of the United Kingdom.

1:47:58And these people are all having five, six, seven kids, and we're having one or two. At a certain point, you'll go, well, actually, England is made up of the people who are English, and Scotland is made up of the people who are Scottish. And if you have Hums Yusuf in Scotland, and you have everybody making decisions, then all of a sudden, English isn't heard on the street anymore, then it stops being the thing that it was. And that's the beautiful thing, is the nation state, really. So we can have a bit of immigration. Look at Italy. They're a bit more dark-skinned because they've had Moorish invasions.

1:48:29Same with Spanish people. They've got a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but they're still Spanish. You walk down the street and you hear Spanish. You look at people, you see Spanish people. When I go to France, I want to see a guy riding a bicycle, playing an accordion with onions around his neck, wearing a beret and a striped t-shirt, all at the same time, that's what I want to see. When I go to China, I want to see like, you know, da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. I want to, that's the cool thing, that's what's nice. You want to go to the Forbidden City and you want to see, you know, you go to Japan, it's all Japanese people.

1:48:56And that's what makes it Japan, because they're the people of Japan, they're the Japanese. So you can't have a million people come here every year, whether they're legal or illegal. It doesn't matter whether they're doxxed, it doesn't matter whether they're the best people ever, because at a certain point, you know, we have to say, we are us and they are them. They've got somewhere else to go to, know? Like they enrich our society. Why don't they enrich their own societies? You know, if they're such a boon to us, why couldn't they be a boon to themselves? You know? So even though they're the absolute best people ever, you want to be able to just say, well, this is our place.

1:49:27This is our home. Like I'm not the best person ever, but you can't come and live in my house because it's my house. It doesn't matter whether you'll, even if you turn up and you make it better, right? It's still, I want to have my own space and my own zone, you know, and that's fine. So you seem very well researched as soon as if you know your history as well. Do you do a lot of reading? On the 20th century, I don't know. You know what? I've, I've, I've, uh, I'm a dad now, so I don't have time for all that. And with the, with the work that I do, I'm always out and about going here, going there, you know, so I don't have the time to read.

1:49:54I've got audible in the books, you know, I listen to books. I've read, I've read a lot of books, you know? So I've read, yeah, I mean, I'm into, I'm into modern history. I'm into 20th century history. I couldn't tell you much about ancient history that much. I know a bit about some things and there's other things I don't know about. So I think it keeps you in good stead for people who may be trying to bait you outside or maybe shouting stuff if you're a bit educated on certain things it gives you like i said it keeps you in good stead to attack with your words as well because there's a lot of people who do it there's a lot of people who go to these marches as well and don't know what the fuck they're talking about no i'm in that sort of bracket as well but i just know how i see the world and for my my children and how i want a better future and they've got to be protected because i've interviewed people who's abused in the grooming gangs i've interviewed people whose family suffer because there's a fucking death sentence it's a life sentence for these people and I know the full package of what goes on.

1:50:43And I've been speaking about this for the last seven years, but it's good to have a good understanding of everything and know what you're fighting for and know what you're standing for. Because I think a lot of people are confused what they're fighting for. Well, it's good when I'm talking to you and for the people who are listening to this podcast, then, you know, because they're willing to listen and willing to pay attention. I think when you, like I say, with arguing with people on the extremes, they've already made up the mind. The battle is for the people who are apolitical or haven't made up their mind yet, really.

1:51:09That's the hearts and minds that we're trying to win over, really. So it's good to talk to some people, as long as you're willing to listen. But you can talk to these people about T-Blue in the face, about Russia and Ukraine, or Israel and Palestine, or whatever, and they're not going to hear you out. So it's pearls before swine, really. So I save my pearls for James English. Thank you for that. But I do see people, you do see women with Palestine shirts and flags from Britain, and I think you wouldn't survive if you actually weren't in Palestine. Like it's mad how we support something, but don't know what we're talking about.

1:51:40Like people who've got a rough understanding go, wait a minute, you're a gay man waving a Palestine flag. You'd be stoned to death. Yeah. Like it's crazy how people are supporting something they don't know. And I don't know the ins and outs of Palestine and Israel, and to be frank, I'm not asked. I'm from Britain, I'm from Scotland. That's my people first. Yeah. And I don't want wars in a perfect world, but there is wars. Same as when I interview veterans, I've got nothing but respect for their service. Yeah. because some people choose to go and fight for different reasons want money want to travel with them the shitty homes just over the head all that multiple it's not about fighting for your country people have got so many different aspects why they fight in their mind they're doing it for the right reason though so you've got nothing but respect it's not until veterans came out the question what was i really fighting for me you look at iraq and weapons of mass destruction yeah exactly you've got the gulf of tonkin yeah incident where they fake the fucking shootings of the boat so there's so much corruption but people don't see that because they think they're doing it for the right reasons same as 9-11 so many soldiers join because they want to protect their family and fight for their country it's honorable until you come back maybe start questioning things so everybody i don't even know where the fuck i was going with that story there when you when you sell something when you sell a product like you know i read this book called um propaganda by abu bernet it's really really really i mean it's a tiny little pamphlet but the guy that is a, he's Sigmund Freud's nephew.

1:52:58And he came up with the modern way of marketing things to people. And in the past, they'd be like, hey, so this bottle of water, it's this big, it contains this much water, it costs this much, the water is really nice, do you want to drink it? Here's how much it costs, here's where you can buy it. That's what adverts used to be like. And they realized that how you make people feel is much more important as to whether they buy something. So if you're selling it, in the book, it talks about a piano, right? You could talk about how good the piano is, whatever, but no one's going to care. Whereas if you set up an event where lots of famous people are involved, and there's some sort of drama around it, and an event happening, and people can attach themselves to the emotion, then people will be more inclined.

1:53:35Because when you buy something, it's because you like the salesman, or you like the way you feel, or the way it makes you feel at that particular moment in time. So people get caught. No one thinks they're doing the wrong thing on purpose. Some people do think that, but a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people that want to do bad things on purpose. But most people think that they're in the right and they're fighting for what's right. So I think I'm fighting for what's right. And they think that they're fighting for what's their right, what they think is right. What's your daily routine like now? Oh, I get up in the morning, I walk around, I make myself a coffee.

1:54:10I go and look after my son, I train, I train martial arts, I lift a bit of weights, I work on the weekends. I used to work doing doors, but I don't do that anymore because I can't be in one place where people are going to see me, you know, know exactly I work on this door at this particular time. So it's not practical for me to do that anymore. So yeah, so I just, um, it's a great life experience with you. I have a really nice life apart from the, the walking around certain areas and neighborhoods with certain demographics that don't particularly like me. And if they, and if they, if they knew me, they probably would like me, but you know, well, they might do hopefully.

1:54:42So I don't, I wouldn't say I have a real routine. I still live like I, like I, like I used to live, you know, like I, I was always coasting in the past, really. I just, and people are like, oh, you need to stop watching your YouTube videos and you need to stop, you need to go and get a proper job or whatever. I was going to go to college until it started. I was going to go and do access to medicine and then try and get into that sort of thing because I've got a brain for remembering a lot of details and whatever. So I was going to try and go down that route and then I ended up just getting forced down this like YouTube influencer route.

1:55:10So I'm playing the ball as it lies, really. I'm just, you know, taking it as it comes. You're smashed. I'm a big fan of your work. Thank you. What Charlie does is amazing as well. thank you i love him yeah just a big you know what i don't agree with him on everything yeah of course i don't agree with tommy and everything or liam or whoever why should you but there's certain things it's just like if i spoke to someone earlier like christianity it makes sense yeah do you know what you've got a fair point yeah yeah if i speak to someone who's maybe against that go do you know what you've got a fair point i can be convinced of he most people make a pretty good argument for why their religion is the best or their ideology is the best or whatever everybody's got everybody's got that that's the that's the brilliant thing about free speech is it allows everybody to just think what they want and get on with life.

1:55:49But certain people aren't happy with that. We can tolerate everyone, except for those who are intolerant of everyone. So in order to have a free society, we have to let people get on and do whatever they want. So if other people want to come along and force you into communism or extreme Islam or anything like that, that can't be tolerated, can't it really? Can't be tolerated. Humans want to be guided. They've done a study. Think it's hard. It was like a room with doctors, everybody was sitting in a seat, but then they had an actor. It was like a bell went off every minute and the actor stood up.

1:56:20Within 10 minutes, everybody in that room was standing up. Was that the Ash experiment? Possibly. Because they had one where they had four lines on the wall and the whole classroom filled with actors. And the one person they'd be testing, will be to see if he conforms with what the people in the class say. So they'd all say that the lines are different sizes, even though they're clearly all the same, and they can get loads of people to admit what they know in their heart isn't true, just because everyone else is saying it. And then they'd introduce other people into the experiment, who would then suddenly start countering, who also act as they would suddenly know that they're all the same size.

1:56:53Then all of a sudden people would find the courage to say, actually, yeah, they're all the same size. Thinking about stuff is hard and coming up with your own opinions or whatever is hard, you know? Because they're scared of being wrong. Yeah. They're scared of what people think. So that's why people choose a site. That's why people look for dictators or leaders or governments to lead them because we're all confused no one knows what the fuck is going on we've kind of there's no really individuality or creativity we've got a few men who are willing to stand at the forefront have a set of balls and go do you know what i believe this even though it's going to be backlash that's scary yeah that's scary well put your hand up in class and trying to get the answer and being wrong and you know and teacher is embarrassing because what if you're saying something stupid everyone thinks you're stupid now you know the fool who asks the question is a is a fool for a minute the fool who doesn't ask the question is fool for a lifetime.

1:57:35Yeah. But that's why schools don't want you putting your hand up on question narrative because you get the red face, you get embarrassed and you think I'm never asking questions again. Yeah. Just before we finish up autism, I don't like the fact of labels, but were you diagnosed with autism? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say so. So what is autism for people who don't know? Because ADHD, autism, we've got so many labels now. Autism means everything now. Like, so if you've got dyspraxia or dyslexia or dyscalculia or anything like that, you'll be put under autism, not otherwise specified. So in the past, you used to be like, you know, licking the windows and going, and fucking whatever.

1:58:07When I was in school, you had to be like rocking before and stuff. But now it's like, oh, you watch anime, do you? Well, fucking autism now, there you go. So I think it's just, obviously some people are really like, I think real autism, right? Is the car door slams and the kid goes wild because the noise is too much for him or, you know, or you don't put something in the right box and the kid has a fucking meltdown because he needs to know exactly where everything is and have everything under total control. So like I said on the Liam Tuss one, the autism is the extreme male brain, I think. So I don't really think that I've got it, but the doctors said that I did, so I do.

1:58:45They did not say it's a super poem though? I mean, it can be. When nature gives you one thing, it takes away from you in the other. So some people are freak athletes, but they're not that smart in history or English or whatever. other people are mathematical geniuses, but they're really uncoordinated. So everyone's got their comparative advantage and you just need to press that. And that applies to everybody, whether you've got autism or some mental... Everybody's got something that they're good at, something that they're bad at, something that they naturally drift towards. And so you have to just lean into what is good and try and leverage that as best as you can.

1:59:22Plans for the future, Fred. What's your social media? I know you've got a YouTube channel, you're starting up. I have YouTube channel, it's Fred underscore CPO. everybody got over and subscribed there's one of them some great content absolutely what's your plans for the future brother tonight I'm going out to Barcelona with Tyler Olivera doing some scam videos for two weeks around we're going to go to Lisbon and Amsterdam Prague Berlin Barcelona maybe Frankfurt I'm not sure about Frankfurt but yeah so that's what I'm doing with him he contacted me the other day said can you fly out and I certainly can fly out yeah yeah how many subscribers has he got 8 million or something,$8 million.

2:00:00If you're doing your videos, make sure you're speaking about your own YouTube channel. Yeah, definitely. It's just business now. You've got to use and utilize everybody for your own gain. You know what I'm saying? We're getting views from you, so you've got to then plug it and go, do you know what? It's a fair exchange. So everybody who watches are listeners, go and subscribe to Fred. Well, friendship is a value exchange. When you're with a woman, it's a value exchange. You're providing something, she's providing something. And in the middle of that, you find the friendship in the common ground.

2:00:23It doesn't mean that you're using me or I'm using you or whatever. We're just, you scratch my back, I scratch your back. Definitely. For anybody that's in a life or struggle, I know you've had your own battles in life, but what advice would you have for them? I would say do martial arts because martial arts condenses the life experience into a short period of time. You have a learning period, a suffering period, a mastering period. So it provides you with a hero's journey of a beginning and a middle and an end and it introduces artificial hardship into you you know so where you're like you know when you when you've been like dominated by someone you know you're there's suddenly a little of your life's problems they fade by the wayside you know you don't like care about them too much anymore you know you don't so it introduces like some artificial hardness into you and like a lot of time people living in like a very like safe way you know with no real issues or whatever but you know when you don't have any issues like you've got enough money to feed yourself and you know you you go to the gym you go to work you go home and see your girlfriend and you rinse and repeat over and over and over again, your life gets boring, you create your own troubles for yourself and you start stewing on stuff and whatever.

2:01:29So I'd say like, you know, like a dog that you keep inside a house all the time and don't take it for a walk, he's going to go insane. So take your dog for a walk, aka work yourself out and become strong in your mind and your body. And maybe you'll be better equipped to deal with the problems that are facing you. But maybe not, you know, there's still some problems that are so extreme that there's... Brussels clean up nicely at Sweet Green. Maple glazed, roasted, and edges perfectly caramelized? Sweetgreen's fall harvest is back on the menu, and the season's most overlooked little green vegetable is dressed to be devoured.

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2:02:58Would you like to finish up on anything else, Fred? You can ask me another question. Yes, I'm better in a conversational, argumentative mode. That's why I don't go out filming people on the street. Charlie's got this amazing ability to film something and be like, here's a lot of commentary on it. Here's what I say on it, right? I only get that when someone talks to me, and I can bounce off and back. So far, anyway, I haven't mastered the art of just commentary from my own head. Listen, Fred, like I say, big fan of your work. I think what you've done is amazing and knowing your backstory, it's good to get a bit more understanding of what you've done, what you've overcome and what you're planning for the future.

2:03:31But like I say, I'm rooting for you, brother. I wish you nothing but the best for the future. God bless and take care, Fred. Thank you. See you soon, bro. That's what I'm saying.

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