The Corrupt Cop Working With Gangster BF Gets 4 Years in Prison. Choni Kenny Tells Her Story

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1:33And boom, we're on. And today's guest we've got Shoney. Shoney, how are we? I'm great. Oh, yeah. Very well, thank you. Thanks for coming on the show. So, mad story. Five years in prison. Had a relationship with an inmate. You were a prison officer. No, police officer. Police officer, sorry. Yeah. You get done. And yeah, basically that's why you're here to tell your tale. Obviously on the media you do your social media stuff as well. you're trying to build your business which we can touch on but before we get into all the madness I always like to go back to the start of my guest to get more of a bit of understanding about you where you grew up and how it all began.

2:10So I actually grew up from being very young on a council estate and absolutely loved it it was the best always playing out with people always got the best bikes you know just knocking about with like all your neighbours and and their kids and then mum and dad actually moved all of us out of the area so we grew up in within shore and then we moved to still the same postcode but just a little bit further afield and it was a lot nicer and I had a really good upbringing I'm one of four I'm the youngest of four and I actually feel like that's probably where I went wrong because I was the golden child I could I could never do any wrong because everyone had always done worse above me so nothing was nothing was I could never compare to them you know like I kind of got away with got away with murder kind of thing and then yeah I went to a really good school and lovely primary school lovely high school and everything was on on the up for me really I didn't didn't really have any adverse sort of like situations coming my way until I became independent and started messing about with boys.

3:25Bastards. What did you do after school? When I first left school, I went straight into hairdressing. So I kind of knew that I wanted to be in that industry, but didn't know to what extreme. I feel like when you're a kid, you're just forced to do something and, you know, just like you're forced to grow some wings and make money and then um that's when I started getting well that's when I started to enjoy going out socializing drinking on the park knocking about with my mates and I hated the fact that I worked in the hairdressing industry and I didn't have a weekend off so I left and then I thought oh I want a nine-to-five then I applied for a job in a solicitor's and I got it and that's where I'm a nine to five and that sort of like legal work came from working in that solicitors.

4:21How did you end up joining the corpus then? I got made redundant from solicitors and I thought what could I try next? What age? 21. Young. Yeah I got made redundant. I was like the world's my oyster what should I do next? and it was never my intention to join the police I didn't I wasn't one of those kids that grew up like when I wake when I grow up I want to be a police officer and then nobody can ever get in first time nobody can ever get in it's like so rare and I thought I'll just have a crack at it I'm probably not going to get in anyway so why not joined did the application process and before I knew I was wearing a fucking uniform I didn't realize how it all just happened in the in like the blink of an eye and then yeah I was in the job at 22.

5:10What was the training like? Um it's very textbook it's very much there's like a class of 20 all sat around learning the ins and outs of the law the do's and the don'ts and there's a couple of exams and that's that's it really in terms of like the in terms of knowing the law that's kind of it and you just refer back to these textbook scenarios and situations but realistically with that kind of job role it's more throw you in the deep end and see how you react to it there is no right or wrong way of dealing with something because in i'd say like in an emergency it's fight or flight isn't it so they can't teach you how to deal with that because you don't know how your body's going to respond to it what did you do when you passed in as in in the test for the coppers what did you pass your test you do like a what's the running test bleak test yeah yeah that's pretty easy though yeah i mean um yeah that was that was quite straightforward you do your you do your initial training then you do your fitness test you have to do that before you pass though you don't get passed out until you've until you've done your fitness test and your medical and things like that and then you do your 20 weeks training classroom based and then you do I think it's another 20 weeks with sort of like a tutor you know side by side with someone just shadowing them but that's out on the streets dealing with real life incidents um and that's Kind of like how you learn to become or mould into the right person for the job.

6:54What was your first arrest?

6:59I think it was section 18. Section 18, quite a violent job. On a night shift, actually. And I was absolutely shitting myself. Yeah, it was pretty serious, that one, actually. It's a very negative job. I was grown up to hate the coppers and always say this but once I started interviewing them understanding their stories what they see on a daily basis it's very dark for somebody to choose that lifestyle because it fucks so many coppers up a lot of them struggling with drinking drugs and a lot of affairs inside the police so it's a very dark job and people don't appreciate it enough listen there's a lot of corrupt coppers as well you get corruption all walks of life but people don't realise the extent that people have to what they have to go through it's one of the most negative jobs in the world i know seeing so many different things i've only recently just started having therapy for the things that i've dealt with because i remember there was nights where i'd wake up in panic sweating crying knowing that there was nothing i could have done to change that situation at the time um and you don't get offered the right help and support when you're in there there isn't there isn't enough support for people in that job role um when they deal with traumatic experiences but then again I suppose when I joined that job it was more a case of

8:22like don't be a snowflake you know you can't let it you can't let it show that you're upset or you can't you can't show that a job's affected you because then you don't want to look like you're weak you're the weak one in the pack you just kind of deal with it all but I remember one one time I dealt with an incident and I remember coming home getting in my car finishing my shift it was the longest day of my life and I didn't know this job had affected me as much as it did I got in the car I drove home in silence I rang my sister and it must have been about two in the morning she answered panicking and I just cried for about half an hour the phone was silent she didn't speak I didn't speak and I just cried and then that was it I got up the next day went straight back to work yeah I don't think there's enough protection or enough therapy it's just there's just a number I interviewed a man he was an undercover pedophile he went undercover for 20 years and you get people who grade the sort of content as well but after a few years they were just eating their lunch grading it because they became so desensitised and that's a scary thing to do especially with the content that they're watching what's the worst thing you've seen while being a copper oh gosh i don't think i don't think anyone could answer that question i don't think there's ever going to be a job which you could pinpoint and say that was the worst one i've ever done i think there's emotions attached to every single different job role the job that you attend um for me it was very much vulnerable kids sex offenders they they that i could deal with anything presented but when you asked me to deal with a job like that yeah found that probably the most the hardest kind of job role to deal with because nine times out I mean I've never dealt with a child abuser who is aggressive or defensive about what they've done and that scares me the most that scared me the most because you were presented with someone who was just so calm and just so it was almost as if they were desensitized themselves you know and and for me i think that scares me the most because i've always said in that in that job role there is people out there that are career criminals there's people out there like me that got caught up and ended up knee deep in and then there's there's people who you know for example shot lifters they can go out.

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14:37of course it is how many times have you been caught up in a relationship yourself where there is no textbook on how to live life when it comes to relationships and dealing with people and things like that and if there was then I'm sure the world would probably be a much better place. So how long were you with him for?

15:01Not long, I mean it was very casual at the start, it was very much just like on and off, seeing each other here and there and I think for me it was very much, I was kind of like attracted to the love bombing i was attracted to the oh how's your day been how's this and you know that's the bare minimum but i never knew that at the time so now i know what the bare minimum is i've never settled for anything less but at the time when you are at a disadvantage as in you know i was never i was always the ugly duck duckling and i was always the one that never stood out in the friendship group and for me to get that type of attention felt like a lot and i fell for it straight away you fell for the basics but little did I know that he probably saw me coming didn't he let's face it do you feel as if he was using you or was he did he have feelings also no he was definitely using me because I wasn't the only girl in the coppers erm there'd been a prison officer in the past that I'd only found out a couple of weeks before I was due to appear on trial so he was shagging a prison officer in prison or outside?

16:16Bit of elf I think. I don't know means and arts so I'm not going to speak on it. So you fell in love with a criminal so he had previous before as he's been in and out of prison. Yeah. Were you getting investigated? I didn't know at the time. I didn't know at the time. It was only until I got the knock on the door that I knew. What did they say? Under arrest. What was the charge? Misconduct in a public office. So he was getting you to do things? like what well it all it all started from me being me wanting to know the ins and outs of his of his background and not having the bollocks to ask him for the sake of my career and went about it the wrong way and searched search the systems there you go that's it that's misconduct isn't it you search the systems to find out his background yeah so he wasn't asking you have they got surveillance or but then then it spiraled then it continued the questions were coming and it was all moving it was all moving really fast and i'll be honest it was easier to say yes than it was to say no to him why sadly um he was extremely manipulative he was very much I think I'd like to say at times I was probably in fear of what the outcome could have been.

17:39It was very much if I said no, then he wouldn't stop asking until I said yeah. And it was easier for me to say yes at the time. How long did that go on for? Best part of a year. So what was he saying? So he was getting you to do things and you were just agreeing. How many things did you do? Oh, I couldn't give you the answer to that. I couldn't give you the answer to that. So you were giving him information? Nothing to do with the public. Nothing to do with incidents that he might have been involved in. Well, there was one, but it was what he was in jail for at the time. And I simply told him that he needed to plead guilty because he'd done something wrong, which he did.

18:23But again, apparently that's me putting him at an advantage, isn't it? So the coppers come knocking. What are you thinking then? You're in love. you've got your job life seems pretty good did they come through your door? I wasn't with him at this time either when they come and got me did he stick you in? how did they know then? you tell me that's a question to me when you go into the system I imagine you need to put in codes yeah it's your footprint it's your login isn't it? it's your footprint on that system for you to be able to your caller number is everywhere so what is the law as if a police officer's going with a a drug dealer but she doesn't know or going someone who's active what is the laws on that so you're supposed to um notify your employer of an associate so that's another account of mine i failed to notify my employers that i was engaging in a relationship with him that's guilty then straight away you're fucked of course yeah but there's never been a stage where i've disputed the fact that i'm guilty of misconducts in a public office the only time the only things I've ever not agreed with is it wasn't just misconduct they came for it was money laundering apparently I had 50 grand in cash under my bed it was um there was quite a number of offenses that they had me they had arrested me for at the time but I knew I wasn't guilty of any of those things because I'd never done such I'd never done anything like that part of me now feels like had they arrested me on those grounds to get the warrant they needed from the courts because they had me under surveillance for six months before they come and arrested me and all of these offenses that they try to throw at me they would have known before they arrested me for those offenses I wasn't guilty of them if I had 50 grand in cash under my bed should I not have been doing more than what they saw on surveillance because all they saw was a working girl going to and from work going to the gym going home how many charges did you have i think it was around 13 that's a lot so what are you thinking then when you find out you've got 13 charges oh i absolutely shit myself i remember they came through the door at the time and they they um i remember it clear as day he came through and i just looked at him and i thought what's going on didn't didn't know who they were they were just none of them were in uniform didn't know who they were next thing i just heard you're under arrest and as soon as i heard those words everything was silent it was like tunnel vision i couldn't hear anything he was saying and then um they did a week house search and put me in a van did you get remanded no so i got to custody and that's when i heard i heard the officer relay the charges onto the custody sergeant and that's when i heard everything properly then and I remember being I remember being put in a cell that day I'd already worked a shift before they come and arrested me and they'd arrested I'd arrested people at that job that I'd been to and they were in the same custody suite as me that day how many people we'd arrest we dealt with someone we dealt with an incident that day and that was the custody same custody suite we took that person to that day and then they took me there so you were working the day you go at the jail went to court you got bail um i got bedded down and waited for my solicitor i couldn't have the solicitor i wanted because there was a conflict of interest because i'd previously reported a colleague for an offense and he was dealing with that case so i couldn't use that solicitor what happened there i reported a colleague for this episode is brought to you by chat gpt Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons podcast.

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24:26Sexual misconduct in the workplace. On who? Myself. And he was a copper or was he a sergeant or what was he? Just a serving officer. Well it's not just is it but yeah a serving officer. So you reported him, what happened with that? I was due to appear in court and provide evidence. However, upon my situation I found myself in, I received a call from the force saying that he was being in a fade because I was no longer credible. So that's what he could have been the person basically that stuck you in? Maybe. You were doing wrong anyway, so you are guilty. Yeah. But for someone to cover their own ass, the levels that they can go to is pretty deep.

25:11But that's also a possibility. you probably thought about that the amount of times i i find myself sitting and thinking about it still to this day because it's something you'll never know but it's that's the thing isn't it with like the human brain you always try and figure something out that you need to know the answer to but even if someone said to me it was me it's done now isn't it it's done and it's as much as i regret it happening because i would never have wanted to put my family through what i did i wouldn't be where I am now had I have not had I have not been through what I've been through so you've got charged do you get then get suspended yeah how does it work um you get suspended and you you get everything taken from you so you can't turn up at the police station or anything like that um and you just kind of left in limbo until you find something out how long did it take to go to trial two years so you're suspended from two years yeah i'd handed my resignation in prior to that was it in the media at this point yeah straight away what did the media say um to be honest at first was quite lucky because no one would search me and there was other pressing things in the media at the time such as like lucy let me she was massive in the media at the time so she took precedent really um there was loads of things going on that didn't bring my knee i was still there if he searched me but i wasn't front page like i have been um and then they just said things like i'd been arrested i've been involved in an incident i've been arrested and i was due to appearing caught on such and such and then the media was actually okay at this time but then it was when i had been sent to jail that the media got quite bad that's what they do i know that's what they do i know they fuck us i just wish i just wish that media outlets would sit down and and read real sentencing remarks before they put what they think is is factual in the papers because if you read my if you read if you type my name in on google you'd think i was the world's worst person ever but it's not facts if you read the sentencing remarks they don't compare yeah but that's what they do of course they don't print your side they don't print examination they don't print any of that shit they just think let's fuck him over let's get that headline bang bang bang there's always three sides to the tail both sides and then there's a truth how long was your trial for um i ended up putting a guilty plea in two weeks before on my pre-trial preparation hearing take a deal um putting a basis of play putting mitigating factors the judge had said if he didn't agree to that he would send it to a newton hearing where it was just me and him and defense and he actually sent us away i mean to be honest with you in in all fairness that judge that handled my case he couldn't have handled it any better i couldn't have asked for someone more lenient as much as i wish he never sent me to jail i understand that I had to go to jail because they had to make an example of me, didn't they?

28:30They had to prove that a corrupt police officer went to prison.

28:39He was really fair and he just said, I don't want to have to take this to a trial. Go away and have an extra two weeks to decide what you want to do out of this. CPS came together with my defense and agreed. The basis of playing dropped some charges. did you know you were going to get a five i didn't know to what extreme what were you thinking what were you thinking you would get um there was different it's all based on case law isn't it and the thing with misconduct is it carries life imprisonment so you don't know what you don't know what extreme you're going to get out of that you could get there's people out there getting suspended there's people out there getting 12 there's people out there getting 15 years it's all it's all dependent on the judge on the day so what are you thinking when you get a five um i was lucky enough to then have it reduced so i got i got 15 credit in the end for the plea that i put in prior to trial but the judge took into consideration the fact that upon my first appearance I couldn't put a plea in because the police hadn't uploaded any evidence so because they've not uploaded any evidence I was not in a position to give the judge on the day um a plea and also I probably wouldn't have done it at that stage anyway because you don't know what's you're not going to go guilty to everything are you if you don't know what's available um and that happened on two occasions I think so then when I got sentenced the judge initially said to me i can see that you've not been in a position to put a plea in and had you have been able to do that at the time you would have got more than 15 more than 10 i think he said so he gave me 15 it got reduced to three years nine in the end which is probably a brilliant outcome because i think is it anything under the four-year threshold it's half can't remember what it is when you thought anything on is that what it is under a certain threshold you serve a certain time i you're eligible to serve was it 40 % at the time for me um and yeah I did I did that I did 40 % of that in total what you thinking you're on the bus to prison had my head in my hands had my head in my hands I had a tailored suit on rocking up to jail like that and I remember my first day when I got there in reception this um this other girl was had arrived she wasn't on the same bus as me but she'd come at the same time and she was calling me miss and so i was staff and i was like i'm in the same shoes as you so yeah what was your mom in dancing oh my mom my poor mom broke her heart broke her heart of course it broke her heart who's who wants to know that their child's gone to jail I didn't let her come to any of my court hearings And that one time on my way back from the first hearing She rang me and she said Whatever you do, don't look at the newspapers She'd already seen it before I'd got back Before I'd even left court They were running at me like I was a celebrity From all angles, hiding behind statues They were everywhere For photos?

32:06What was the first night in the prison like for you? Do you know what? I slept like a baby. It's because you're done. You know what's happening now. Bearing in mind, I'd been arrested and been on bail for two years. It was the end. Even though it was the shittiest outcome ever, it was the end. So you slept well. How were you treated in there? By being a copper? So when I first got there, the officer said to me, you need to lie about why you're in jail. and I said why and he said because you're he said you're you're a copper and I was like right and he was like so do you really think it's going to go down very well if you're in here and I was like well I'm not lying and he said if you don't lie he said it could turn it could turn bad for you and um I remember thinking fuck's sake what am I going to say to people and that night I went to sleep I remember I went to sleep and the next day you wake up and there's just a tiny little window and I opened my eyes well I'd say I went to sleep I felt like I'd slept well but I felt like I'd been awake the whole night didn't know what time it was turned on the tv that was in there to see what time it was on BBC News and uh there I was on the news flicked it over ITV I was there.

33:32Our mug shot. Put on the radio. I was all over BBC radio. I'd made it to every single

33:43news radio, anything that was possible, like available. I'd made it all there. So realistically, the job had been done for me because everyone in there had seen me on the news. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports. Get started at ChatGPT.com by selecting work mode available on Plus and Pro Plans.

34:55Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. I want to hire a private investigator. Some folks say I'm the best. ABC Tuesdays, TV's hottest PI is back. You sure you're ready to take on a serial killer? It's like a dozen more likely explanations other than serial killer. All right, maybe not a dozen. In Florida, crime has no off-season. I just heard you were shot at today with a rocket launcher. Well, it missed. RJ Decker Tuesdays 10 nights central on ABC next day on Hulu So I wouldn't lie? Yeah I don't think it's once you lie people then get more paranoid of what you're lying about Exactly I don't think people in the female prison are just asked if it was a male prison they would have to go in numbers they would have to go in protection female prisons I don't think it's that extreme And you know what's funny because obviously on social media now I've kind of come away from talking about jail a little bit because I'm just not really I don't I don't that's not my just because I've been there it's not my personality you know I mean I'm completely different to just having spent some time in jail but um I get a lot of men hating on me saying uh you were defo on a depo on a vp wing you would have got you would have got chopped up if you weren't and it's nothing like that in a women's jail nothing like that Who are we in with?

36:19There's quite a lot of people in there. I've got high profile cases. Just a lot of like baby killers. Yeah, a lot of female baby killers. What's it like being around then? It was hard. It was hard because I think for me the expectations were a little bit different. I'd gone in as a professional body and I was there was an expectation of me to still be respectful still be you know not cause problems and and um ultimately I'd always been in the police I'd kind of been trained to be pro-social so no matter what your opinion is keep it to yourself don't don't forecast your opinion on others and um I remember my I remember I got padded up and I didn't know this at the time I got padded up with someone and I was on the bottom bunk and she was on I was on the top bunk she was on the bottom and she never came out she never ever came out ever and I thought there must be something not right like put two and two together she's either a paedophile or she's not very well liked or but no one ever used to speak about her and it was just blowing my mind and she'd always sit there and draw pictures of this baby with wings and I'd be like that is mad that is crazy anyway someone one of the girls was like we need to we need to have a chat with you and I said what's what's going on and they were like that girl you're in with so it's like yeah yeah she murdered a kid and I was just thinking you've got to be fucking joking me that I've now got to share this fucking room with someone who's killed her own baby were you still acting like a copper in there I mean you seen people taking drugs or parcels coming in yeah it's not my business it's fight or flight in there do you really think I'm going to go in there and be like you shouldn't be doing that did you see all the corruption though and all the madness that's in there craziness and I was in there for corruption and what I did was half of what I fucking saw in jail what was the screws like with you you could tell a couple of people were a bit like

38:31didn't like me didn't like me just forced to be they weren't even helpful just forced to be around me because it was the job a couple of others on the other hand were fine light sound with me not any issues no no problems there's there's a lot of corruption in jail what's the worst thing you've seen in there? in terms of anything? death, slashings overdose, suicide a lot of overdoses a lot of overdoses a lot of a lot of remand prisoners coming in and out every week leave on the Monday back in by the Friday coming in with parcels supplying the parcels and causing just a lot of overdosing in there Did you ever think about taking drugs?

39:22No It's never been my bag Or suicide or anything In the cells in the police station yeah definitely how was i going to make it out of that police that police cell and i remember they'd given me a hand towel in the custody suite and there was a fray on the towel and i thought if i just rip that towel and tie it as tight as i can around my neck no one would ever know because i told myself when i got in that cell i'll never press that button for help because I know what them, I know what everyone behind the custody desk does when you press the button. What? Well, they're not going to come to you, are they?

40:05Did you get a job on there? On the pass or anything? No. You weren't walking in the gym? Oh, you mean in the jail? In the jail. Oh, right, yeah, yeah. I started off in the salon at first because there's a salon in style. Then a gym orderly. Yeah, that's the best job. Best. That's the best jail job you could ever ask for. Yeah. You're out all the time. You're in the gym all the time, which is freedom, isn't it? Then I made it to Open. I made it to Cat D. And in Cat D, I worked in a little coffee shop down the road from the jail. Used to walk there every morning. What Open did you go to? Ascom. Ascom Grange.

40:47What was it like getting out for the first time? Mad. I remember the first time I came home on a, like a roll, an overnight stay at home and the first thing I did was eat some food and I had to use a metal knife and fork and it was the weirdest thing ever because I'd only ever used plastic the feel of a metal fork in my mouth or my teeth was horrible How long were you in your open for? 12 weeks And then released? How was the media treating you then still? The media was fine. Since my release, I've actually had quite a lot of newspapers reach out to me asking for my side of the story since they've seen my social media presence grow.

41:35And I've not given one of them the time of day. Yeah, they fucked you, man. I just said respectfully, you didn't care about me when you sat in the gallery reporting on me, so why do you care about me now? Did you ever think you would get out? In the very early stages, no. but then towards the end even when i even when i'd been sent down that day when the judge said take take her down i didn't know how long i was going to do out of that sentence i'm shitting myself and my barrister come down and he went that was a really good outcome i was like a really fucking good outcome i've just been sent to jail that wasn't a good outcome but when you look at it in hindsight it was a really good outcome how was it when your mom was coming to visit the first visit was horrific the first visit was absolutely heartbreaking i remember i remember my mom i've not seen her for about a month i've not seen anyone for about a month when i first landed in jail i didn't have any i didn't have any of like my lifestyle luxuries i had a shitty pair of prison prison grays and a couple of a couple of gym sets that i'd taken in some of my stuff got nicked as soon as I landed in jail um I was literally rinsing and washing the same few bits of clothes I had until I got a parcel sent in and it's hard to get a parcel in jail like a clothes parcel so you're kind of just scrimping and scraping for what you can use and um I was so run down I looked ill I had oh just so unwell and my mum saw me and she just burst into tears that first visit she just walked through the door and I saw her walk towards me and she just burst into tears and so did I and it was horrible

43:24it was horrible my mum, if you saw my mum she's so angelic she's a Christian that's not cool is it as a Christian to be in jail with the prison track he's on but you got over it so when you're getting released what was the plans did you have anything planned what you were going to do to be honest i was doing my um level two fitness instructor course in jail because i aimed to just come out and be an online coach so pre-jail i was very much into like long distance running marathons racing high rocks races and that was because it gave me peace it gave me something to channel my energy into at the time because i knew i was potentially going to jail in a couple of years so I just did loads of shit to like sidetrack me and um was mad into fitness like crazy into fitness had my own coaches training all the time and I thought yeah that's my hobby so I'm gonna go back into that when I get out and none of that happened none of it happened I'd already set up my own business when I'd resigned from the police and um I just kind I've got out I got out on the 23rd of January and I started trading on the 9th of Feb were you on tag?

44:42yeah who was that? fine what was it? 17 17 no 7-7 12 hours yeah tag's not a problem tag is only an issue if you cannot follow the rules that's the only time it will ever be an issue if you play with fire with a tag you're going to get burnt it's that simple so you've got out your own tag how was it adjusting back it it was difficult it was difficult in the sense of everyone knew that i'd gone to jail and what i'd gone to jail for and everyone was going to have an opinion of it wasn't there and it's funny because nobody liked me at the time going to jail experiencing what i'd experienced I lost so many people that were around me initially.

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47:09And coming out of jail, people aren't there for you like they say they're going to be when you first go. It's a bit of a thrill, isn't it, to some people that someone close to them has gone to prison. It's very much a thrill. And when you're in there, you're maintaining relationships because no one can reach out to you, can they? Who was your friends in there? inside the jail um i made friends with quite a couple of people you know i remember one of my friends who hadn't had me i'd made friends with a girl i'm still in contact with her now actually she's out she's she's having a baby soon in two weeks and it's like we've never even been in prison it's like we've never even been there and she yeah she uh she got herself caught up and again with a boy a lot of women are in jail because they get caught women listen a lot of men are in the jail because of women as well you know what i'm saying like trust me it's uh yeah but when you got out just a plan straight in the head how long were you on tag for