The Dark Truth About John MacAfee - Bodyguard Jamie Edwards Tells All

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0:33and boomerang and today's guest we've got jamie edwards jamie how are we i'm all right james i'm appreciative of your time and i'm appreciative to uh to tell my story yeah listen thanks for coming on the show you were close to john mcafee how do you say john's nickname john mcafee um i think i think dependent whether from the uk the us there's different interpretations to me it's mcafee you're with john mcafee kind of very notorious a bit of a character they've got the documentary on netflix which you appear on there's been rumors he's killed his dad he's killed his neighbor there was a fake suicide he was a wanted man but i think his hardware and like his software for the like antivirus for the computers it's worth billions and billions of pounds i'm sure from my own regulation is that he sold it for a hundred million i think you'd said that as well 100 million to intel which if you go back in time james that was a lot of money in the 90s yeah it was a lot of money yeah very ahead of his time very flamboyant loved his guns his drugs his women worked on the Apollo 13 program he was out there yeah he worked in NASA he was clever yeah very clever man but you were with him firsthand which we'll get into but before we get into all the madness brother I always like to go back to the start with my guests get more of a bit of understanding about you, Jamie, where you grew up and how it all began?

1:51No problem at all. So I grew up in Stockport, which is a town close to Manchester, or if you're within the area, you could call it Manchester, but I'm from Stockport. I'd like to say I lived a pretty privileged life as a kid. My mum did everything that she could for me. I did well in school. I was always an achiever. I worked hard. I always had the ambition to get out there and do something and be a bit on ordinary, on average. How was your family life? Do you have a big family? I come from a very big family. On my dad's side, that is, specifically. And you've got a transition, chalk and cheese.

2:27My mum and my dad were completely different. I always look back and think, how did they get together? But, you know, that's kind of what happens in today's society. I think women tend to go for a particular type of man nowadays. I think social media has had some sort of an influence or conditioning on that. But, yeah, my mum and dad were both workers, normal lifestyle. Unfortunately, my dad did turn to alcohol. He turned into a severe alcoholic, which took his life, unfortunately. So that's deterring me away from that. So I've had to deal with trauma and my dad passing away, which was about five years ago.

3:02And I've had to be the kind of man, the stronghold of the family, the support of my mum and my sister if they need me to be there. It's distant, but I'm there if they need me to be. Yeah, that's the main thing, you know, is to show support. I think that's our main roles. But it's difficult when you lose a loved one because we don't really know how to process it. Yeah, I think for me, I never agreed for my father. I don't know why specifically I'm speaking about my dad just on that question that he asked me. So it's off to something which is quite relevant in my life. But yeah, so. What was your first job?

3:30My first job, I was an insurance salesman for an insurance company. And I was doing repetitive kind of telesales over the telephone. The type of job that you want to slit your ass with. What else did you do after that? But after that, I did micro-electronical soldering until we had a transition in the world and we had the introduction of the blockchain and the mean trust switch to blockchain technology and how we could make money online. So I've had a pretty normal working career, shall we say, James. So how did you end up involved with John? How does that kind of combination come about? Completely, honestly, at the time, I was broke, James.

4:10I had no money. I had no money at all. and I was trying to have an innovative creation in my mind of how I could make some money. So I was playing on cryptocurrency, mobile gaming applications where you could earn small increments of cryptocurrency. And the mother of the story, it was a waste of time. It took you absolutely weeks to earn a little bit of money. So I had this vision in my head. I thought I could make one better than one of these. I could make an app which would actually pay to the people that played it. So coincidentally, at the time, I was initiated as a Freemason. Within Freemasonry, I met a mobile application developer just by chance like the university just bended for me it built the application and i pitched john mcafee with the idea for him to endorse it voice it over it was effectively a replica of who wants to be a millionaire but voiced over by john and it had two elements to it where it was a family friendly version and an adult version and he actually spoke through the application to people cursed people sweared at people etc and so that's how i met him through a mobile application proposal How did you get in contact with him?

5:11I sent him a direct message on Twitter and I was quite repetitive on his comments. I was just going in, I was making sure I got his attention. And he read my pitch and one word reply, deal. And he invited me to the Bahamas and the chaos died. Did you know about his lifestyle beforehand? Well at this time I didn't really know where he was. I just knew he had an influence on Twitter. He was a big advocate in the cryptocurrency world. he had a large reach and so no one knew nothing about him but i watched a previous documentary about him and then i got an insight to think this guy is um he's dangerous he's a bit out there he's he's done some things yeah even in a documentary on netflix it speaks about him killing his dad and killing the neighbor which we'll touch on but he's certainly not a man to be messed with but he seemed to have kept the right people he seemed to have kept people around him who would do damage for him as well but money talks and if you've got that level of money it was very shrewd the way i get it everything's a chess game to him he puts out there exactly what wants people to think whether it's true or whether it's false but it's the technique that he got and that's what i was watching i think this man's sometimes five steps ahead of everybody else but then again he makes mistakes but i don't know if they're putting there purposely as well you know after spending a lot of time with In James I established he was a master manipulator and he was a genius he was a he was a good actor so whatever narrative he wanted he would create he would fabricate that reality that's how clever he was so has Leif Stowe was he on the run at this point he was on the run at this point or allegedly on the run I have to look back now and I have to think at the time was he deluded was he was he bonkers was he making everybody everybody paranoid but in hindsight if I look back in remnants i do think he was wanted absolutely because some of the things that i seen on the boat he was he was taunting some powerful people and entities yeah when you talk about entities what do you mean the us the us embassy he was he was threatening the us embassy because his software he created it sold for 100 million but his software still gets used to this day and it's worth i think they say 16 to 20 billion personally and this is only my biased opinion i'd never recommend it to anybody even after he sold the company because there's speculation that it cannot be removed from a device after it's been installed and the only way to uninstall it is to literally burn your laptop whether that's true or not i don't know but based on what i've seen first-hand company of john mcafee that's certainly possible i seen an interview that he'd done i think it might have been patrick bet david seven years ago and he was talking about the internet is free because it takes everybody's information and data it's there for a reason so it knows everybody's move it's got your location it's got your phone numbers it's got all your photos it's got all your banking it's all set up to control the masses now he says this and it made it was spot on do you think his kind of virus antivirus thing was to gather people's information as well could he have been working with the cia i personally believe john was cia when i was on the boat i was hearing him speak to what he would refer to as cia contacts i didn't doubt it he was he was that powerful um and the antivirus when he in if i have a recollection of when he initially dropped it to the world he created again at that particular time and we're going back a long time here james he fabricated a reality that there was going to be some sort of a bug some sort of threat and he put fear into people so everybody bought this software and the threat never happened but from a business perspective he was kind of one of the the first major players in selling antivirus to the masses fear is the biggest control of the world though you feed them with fear and they weren't protected same as lockdowns it's a fear the biggest virus is coming protect yourself there was nothing there was no virus i don't i don't really want to go into that too much but in my opinion you've got some very high powerful sadistic people that are basically trying to play some sort of weird computer game and they have goals against each other and covid was somebody playing a game that's my opinion yeah definitely so you've kind of when you meet them for the first time what was that experience i was waiting at the exuma yacht club which is owned by a celebrity um so i had the experience of mingling with with multiple celebrities before i actually even got to meet john at that particular time i had arrived on the the island of exuma and he was shopping he was absent at that particular time and when he arrived he kind of did a bit of a an acknowledgement of me he waved at me and said come on down to the boat he was dressed in some ridiculous outfit some like mexican style hat um so i went down to the boat we've got barking aggressive dogs alsatians german shepherds we've got bohemian security guards who at this at this time i don't know um there could be anybody um i walk on the boat and he death stares through me literally looks me straight in the eye and says my name is john mcafee and we have a powerful powerful and shriek and and then it gets weird it gets weird from there how so um i think i arrived james at a time where john was dealing with his own individual demons and issues and there was a lot of drink there was a lot of drugs so i don't think i was getting a true reflection of who he was i was getting a dissolved version where do you think it started going wrong for him when he started when he made 100 million surely he's comfortable but where like in the mindset do you think he was psychotic just with the games and the stuff that he says and how do we even know what was true with him he was a compulsive liar from the get-go i stopped us like he told lies but i think he did that purposely he tested people he was in my opinion he was a few steps ahead of people he did things on purpose do you think like you say he was a genius he's definitely a genius to be able to trick the world into buying antivirus and multi-millions of users when there was no threat him appreciative that that software was new it was a new creation people needed it but he was clever enough to make people buy it he was a clever businessman absolutely so why was he saying he was on the runs at tax invasion what was it what was his multiple things so this is all part of his him being very extravagant and very elaborate and probably telling lies or exaggerating the truth whether that's the case or i don't know but he was saying he was he was on the run for murder tax evasion um from what i've seen on the boat he'd hacked a lot of people it's powerful entities when i say entities we're talking maybe it was suggested the white house you know that high up he had the capability to have people on on that extreme level and then you've got to take some consideration if he was doing that then he was he would certainly be a wanted man but i don't know that was the truth or not but that was the impression that was given because like this say when they say things like the CIA invented rap music and certain to fuck about with the frequency and get people to follow a certain narrative is the same as him did you think he's potentially created this antivirus to get into people's software and have all that information where he can control and hack them whenever he wants where he was a plant for the big companies like the white house and all these he kind of had a free pass to do what he wants there's definitely a high probability that that would be the case.

12:27Was there any telltale signs that could have been the case? When I was on the boat, I seen CIA level tech. I seen some things which I didn't quite believe was real. I seen listening devices, which were two millimeter by two millimeter transparent stickers that you could stick on a wall and use as a listening device. Seen it active, things like that. You know, those things exist. He had a ring where he could touch any mobile device and we would clone it just through the technology that was within that ring. and if I look at the technology that's available nowadays with your fitness rings, which can monitor your heart rate and things like that, then it's certainly possible to put some sort of software into a ring.

13:02So I believe that these things were possible and he certainly hacked my phone. Do you think he would have done his background checks, of course, before you had met him? He told me that anybody that approached his boat, all of the social media accounts and their mobile phones would check before they even entered the boat through some sort of CIA-level technology. I believe that. I've seen some things on the boat, so I believe that. I've seen some things with my own devices, so I believe that. So he certainly had the capability and the reach to find out anything about anybody anywhere in the world.

13:34Scary, that. Definitely scary. Because I'm thinking when he's on the run and he's getting people to meet at airports and restaurants and five-star hotels, I'm thinking, you're easily got. So is that just a case of, I mean, immunity? But he's so high up where it was just all a game to make his name even bigger to just play a game with the masses because they've had that much money that much intelligence whatever he wanted to do he could have done do you think it was just his own gain just playing games with everybody i think he got to the point in life where he'd done a lot of things he traveled the world he'd experienced a lot of things where he liked playing games and had a lot of money so he could buy anything and anybody he spent a lot of time in belize he bought the police he bought the governments anybody that could be bought he bought them he targeted i don't know if targeted is the right word because he was in a particular the vicinity but there was locals in that particular area that had no money and you could call it a third world country so they're gonna do anything for four or five figures you know so john had the capability to make pretty much anybody do anything yeah do you think that was his manipulation tactics he loved it he was an assist he loved it did you see that or were you oblivious to his tactics not knowing what he was capable of after i got into a comfort level so i had a bedroom on the boat i had a bedroom at the yacht club i was kind of integrated into to his family some weird stuff you know i was getting cold some before i went to bed good night some things like that so i was in his personal domain so i certainly got an insight to think right okay i've seen the real you now um i seem like him being a soft old man you know probably a lonely old man at some points that's why he likes a lot of people around him he was able to effectively be a chameleon he could be anybody he wanted at any time Jink had bipolar split personality He had a lot of shit going on When did you start seeing the telltale signs that he wasn't Quite right?

15:25The first night of Arrival, straight away I'm happy to talk about it What happened? We was talking about The business venture, the mobile application It's defunct now so I don't really want to talk about that But at the time it was a big thing for me We was talking about how he was going to release it The functionality of the game, the mechanics So on And he was high on something um at the time i was looking around the boat there was a lot of drugs you know we're talking kilos of the shit and crystal meth which he's made himself free whatever ingredients he'd he'd managed to create some sort of substance that give him very heightened psychosis and he took a lot of the shit so as i'm talking to him about what i'm doing with the application he keeps talking about mrs jones and can we do this with mrs jones i'm thinking who the fuck is mrs jones you know it's this is a bit strange so it got to the point where his mood changed i could feel the energy for him from him and he stayed he was staring through me literally so i was giving it like you know what's going on as i was leaving the boat to go back to my room he said to one of the security guards at that time i wasn't armed security at this time he said to one of the security guards i want this boy dropped in the sea and that was the first night he wanted to kill you at that particular time he either wanted to scare or inflict fear into me or his mind wanted to kill me at that particular time but we created a resolution the next day paranoia absolutely you know he was i have some random guy that's turned up on his boat he doesn't really know me and then i was standing my ground with him i wasn't backing down you know i was like what's wrong with you you know can we have another conversation you know was that many people coming on off his boat i wouldn't say many but there were certainly guests coming he had a few guests coming from canada from america and he had some security guards and that he used in the u.s come nowhere to visit um probably 10 20 people guess come and go and what about the guy who done a lot of the footage for them at flicks documentary with a couple if we're happy to meet and robert king yeah so robert was a unique individual he was a retard and i don't mean that disrespectfully he was gifted there was something wrong with a guy he he would he was evidently retarded and john would call him retarded all the time this is is renowned documentarian and he's getting called a retard on the boat but i don't think it was personal or there was any malice in it um i i just think john was understanding of who he was um but yeah robert king was on the boat he was a prominent figure he actually fucked off and disappeared at one point because john pointed a gun at him and threatened to shoot him so he got the fuck out of dodge yeah was that happening quite frequently for the first couple of weeks yeah the first couple of weeks that's all it was john was in a fucked up state he was he had enhanced psychosis he was laying down on the deck staring through the deck he took me out on a dinghy with one of his female guests saying you used to be in the army didn't you can you jump in the water and see if there's any soldiers under the sea with webbed feet or whatever he was paranoid there was divers under the boats and all sorts of shit and there was certainly one jumping in the sea because there was sharks but the paranoia was it was heightened do they smoke weed every day every day yeah it's a strange kind of and well you know i've smoked cannabis myself on and i have historically and i try to do it in moderation we all know the effects of cannabis it heightens psychosis but it can do so he's got an accumulation of cannabis cocaine crystal meth all sorts of shit and he's taking that and he was a severe alcoholic he's his capacity to have any sort of rational conversation just wasn't there because he liked his hookers as well did he not he liked his women was he paying for his women he must have been he was he had somebody on the boat who I would call his consort or his mistress as well as his wife yeah the black lady in the document she said she was a brass Janice we can talk about Janice she seems she seems sweet but again I don't know no we can talk about Janice I think I've got a lot of respect for Janice because after spending a lot of time with John remind me where I was up to in a minute James but after spending a lot of time with john i can visualize what she had to go through and what she was put through as a woman and i worked on a short-term basis some security forum in cuba so i've seen the conflict and the fallout with his wife which only married couple and any married couple are fallouts but for me he was able to control women more probably due to how powerful he was he was a powerful man yeah that's what i think it's all about controlling and what he can do for people, but it's like dangling the carrot so people stay.

19:52Even when you watch the Netflix documentary, it's like I was getting the vibe of things were staged. I'm thinking you're on the run. You've got coppers coming because you've got guns in your boat and they're telling you to keep some guns. It's like it was staged for the camera. That's what I was getting. He was certainly staged and at one point things were getting mental and he was firing blank firearms on the boat. He had like an Uzi type weapon. Looked like a Mac 10. i don't know if it was a mark 10 but like a mark 10 you're firing it firing blanks on the boat scaring the shit out of people you know nearly deafening people you know you sat next to him watching teller and he's fucking shooting a gun to me that's not normal behavior so we inflicted that was inflicting fear in the security guards at one particular time we was we were stood outside just normal chatting away no threat people smoking weed beautiful waters you know turquoise waters the bahamas he walks out with an m4 that starts fucking pouring everywhere but he was like a a show of power but at this time he's heightened on drugs so everyone's stepping back thinking is this cunt gonna shoot us you know what i mean you're living on edge every day not every day it was dependent on his mood if he was on drugs yeah you didn't want to be around him and when he was he was on drugs the guests were refused access to the boat it was john's private domain it was you know and nobody's allowed in there was a risk of filming etc and so so i don't think um john and his wife wanted people to see that so how much security did he have too too much in my opinion you know i have to look back and think i was working on security but was there a threat you know was it just an image you wanted to purvey to his surrounding dock neighbors did he just want to look like he had stereotypical looking lads on the boat holding guns you know so for me he exhumed the bahamas he was it was an island where they had a failed festival a few years back oh i can't remember was it the fire festival it was you know it's a famous island um there's not much crime there it's a beautiful island there's not much crime you know the police are in control the police even said to him if you take any of these guns off this boat my officers will not hesitate things got that crazy where the police actually put cameras on the boat so they could see what was going yeah because is it just more for sure than having it on guards i think so um because the police are very competent in the bahamas they have a gsu the suppression unit they don't let people get any big in the bahamas if you you're getting out of control you're getting dangerous you're getting killed so he was out of his domain he couldn't be his that enforcer that he wanted to be in the bahamas because they wouldn't allow him to be so that would have been a good place from then and kept kept him any on any shell kind of thing no extradition yeah i think that was the main appeal to him the no extradition so he could sit there and do whatever he wanted to taunt people get involved in whatever activities that i didn't know about because obviously he didn't let me know everything that he was doing i only seen and heard and there was only I was only told what I was supposed to know, you know, but he was up to all sorts.

22:41Did they ever come off the boat much? Yeah, he'd come off the boat. He would go up to the yacht club. He'd go out to the festivals at the time. It was the regatta in the Bahamas. They have all the super yachts coming, you know, something out of a fairy tale. You know, it was like been dropped in a movie, literally. So he was quite happy to go out and about locally. We had a car. So if he did, he wasn't taken anywhere. The security team would drive him. I did drive a lot of the time because a lot of the bohemians are just drunk car fucking high all the time i don't know i wanted to feel safe in control so i was the driver so to answer your question he was happy to go out how did you end up an armed card for him one night he said that there was a heightened security threat um he needed more security there probably there wasn't a heightened security threat i actually look back in time and think was he just trying to help me was he trying to give me more money or did he actually need more security and he did hire a lot of the locals.

23:35So I don't know. I don't know, James. If I look back after spending time with John, there probably was people coming for him, but they wouldn't have had accessibility to him in the Bahamas unless it was some sort of covert agent, some sort of spy or somebody like that. They wouldn't have had access to him. You find that a lot, though. You question everything he'd done instead of just accepting what he'd done. You've got to then question every angle why he's done it. I'm quite aware of person. and people read body language, you know, I've lived a lot. So I was assessing him and I was thinking, you're not telling the complete truth all of the time.

24:05And I could understand his behaviours. I could see what he was doing. And I think he acknowledged he could see that I was a bright lad. I was intelligent. I think he even mentioned that in the film or something to that effect. And I think through that, we gained some sort of a connection. I wouldn't say it was some sort of telepathic connection, but I could look at him as if to say, you're full of shit. And he'd know what I was saying. Did you trust him? I don't trust anybody, James. so I'm going to say no to that did I trust him no I wouldn't have trusted him but then again at that time you've got to look from my perspective I was trying to retire my whole family you know this time I'm dropping a mobile application which has got the capability to retire all my family I was more concerned on not trying to impress him but trying to stay on the right side of him yeah because everybody's got an agenda of course I had an agenda it was business yeah you're putting up wee shit basically and get that end product whatever happened with the app um he shut it down so it made a shitload of money within six weeks it was it was forecast it was going to do millions it would have done millions and because he was as powerful as he was and he endorsed it he he just shut it down but that became a regular trend anybody that he flew over to work on with any sort of venture and big ventures you know like crypto debit cards where you can go completely anonymous and completely detached from anything you don't need anybody you know there was some some serious tech out there he shut them all down and i think it was just again it is show of power it's like he gave me a winning lottery ticket and took it away from me but in hindsight look back i probably wasn't ready for that sort of wealth so i'm glad he did what he did at that time but it was certainly a show of power so your app got moving it got approved it got moved it got approved it trended we had downloads it was working it was making money and he just said he wanted to shut it down he said i want it taken off the play store straight away no questions asked and told the developer to take it down and boom that was the end of it and what you're thinking then i was fucking pissed right at this time james i've i've temporarily visited my family back in the uk so i'd gone back home for about i can't remember it was a week or two weeks on the basis that was flying back out to the bahamas so we'd drop the application and flying back home to do some family business and flying back out to the bahamas as i land back in the bahamas ready hyped up ready to go i walk back on the boat and that's when he drops it on me and he says i want this app taken down blah blah blah where he was on drugs we'll go into it a little bit further i was thinking could you not just send me a fucking email you've just flown me around the world to tell me this you know so i think there was more to come thereafter but that particular time i was pissed i was pissed is that because you went home and left him no absolutely not because it was a scheduled visit so when we dropped the application i'd only flown out on on the provision that i was going to be there for a short amount of time and but i'd arranged to fly back to the uk he'd provided flight money he'd transfer me some cryptocurrency so i could fly back i could fly back out within a few weeks so it was a plan return how much could that have made with his endorsement and his constant promotion and his help with a bit of assistance and his team behind it tens of millions and he shut it down and he shut it down and you've got you've got to look from his perspective or his narrative why did he do that he was already a very very very wealthy man the money wasn't important to him he got what he wanted his name was hitting the news his mobile application had news articles written about it he'd got the publicity that he wanted so irrespective where it made money thereafter i don't think he really give a shit could he have made money anywhere absolutely he was in my opinion one of the early creators or contributor creators of the blockchain so he was an early he was early in crypto he was nearly doctor what was crypto where was that at at that particular time bitcoin was at three grand we're at about 85 85 grand now james so you can see you know within a five-year period where crypto was going i got offered the crypto was it seven eight years ago five grand what was it a bitcoin or something bitcoin just over five grand i thought i'm not touching that shit have you got regrets of that of course you have because i'm thinking imagine putting money down in that now you see the guy investing x happy you see the guy who lost 100 million he's on his computer and he threw his computer out or something a guy's from wales i think and it's worth over 100 million he's searched every bin site in their life personally i'd be in that tip and i'd be looking for it and i don't think i'd give up because how can you live with thinking there's 300 million or xyz or whatever it is on some sort of stick it'd torture for the rest of your life i think to be able to deal with that you'd have to have a detachment for money do you think he's got the inside no though of what's going to pop because whether he's a cia agent whether he's a spy or something he's definitely got some pool well well they need him on this planet for his to crack codes or whatever it is he must have something because you're not just going to sit with an old man and let him travel the world and make videos and documentaries and just let him get away with what he's doing it just seems a bit far-fetched so do you think he was being used for his what he could gain from other people is how i look at it james he was he was that high up he was that elite he had that many contacts that he was certainly he certainly wasn't who everybody thought he was there was a little bit more to it there was some sort of secretive knowledge about who he was and his connections were and you have to look at that and rationalize that he was one of the best developers in the world and he had access to all of the best developers in the world we could call him anonymous he had access to these people who do you employ if there's nobody better what about his crypto did they have much money and crypto to answer your question in full um i certainly witnessed him accessing wallets with ridiculous amount ridiculous amounts of cryptocurrency within them and if we make reference to the netflix documentary he was in court on tax evasion charges i think it was about 23 million whether that was applied to take him down because he was getting too big or whether he was genuinely avoiding tax he certainly knew how to make money from crypto and avoid paying tax in crypto yeah i don't understand why not just pay it you know it's like a game because he mentions the tax that i'm not paying taxes it states that and i think but what does it make what puts him above the law because at the end of the day i don't like to pay tax nobody want to pay nobody wants to pay tax but at the end of the day if you don't pay tax somebody's going to come looking for unless you have the means to be content enough to use the blockchain to the full extent where you can hide your money and you can be completely independent away from any bank you can avoid paying tax but with regulations etc which have been implemented into the blockchain etc and it having a full ledger online where you can track every single transaction it's only going to be a matter of time before the enforcement of tax is integrated across the whole blockchain but because it's new um it's innovative it's unregulated there is loopholes for crime etc and if you didn't want to pay tax you wouldn't necessarily have to was he setting people up for business and then ripping it away from him was that another form of control what he'd done with you because if you start making money you're not what to be around him was that another form of control possibly that he's took away your business everybody wanted to work with him you know he had that name um and nobody wanted to take him on because he did get hacked they knew how powerful he was so he was a person that was respected irrespective of his individual personality and who he was if you look at his business acumen he had a lot of reach and you could do a lot of things with him so yeah what businesses did he have um well i was with him james all i seen was cryptocurrency projects so he would do initial icos so we've got initial coin offerings and he would have involvement in them and and he would ensure that was there was a cumulative market cap within these coins through his marketing and promotion um pump and dumps you know whether it's it's it's controversial whether it's a crime but he was he was early in coins they were getting pumped through the roof and he was extracting millions clever man scamming people yes absolutely you see elon musk doing that with his following he talks about bitcoin or certain cryptos and they go through the roof 7 billion 10 billion just because of certain tweets that they promote Do you think they'll work together?

32:15All these elites? Absolutely. They've got to be... Well, look at Donald Trump. This is only my assumption. You know, he has a lot of connections to Q, QAnon. You know, John had a connection to Q, QAnon. It was mentioned a lot. What's that? I don't really know. Some sort of elite sociology club. Something where quantum physics goes on. Things go on which your ordinary person like you and me wouldn't understand. But you're delving into a realm of science. you know so john had connections um within sociology and within those type of people so so we have access to what should we say technology and processes and procedures that you and me won't understand does that make sense does that make sense yeah i think like the stuff that we see now the technology that we have whoever's in control of the world they're hundreds of years ahead 100 years 200 years 300 years do you believe there could be like a cabal like a kind of illuminati sort of group absolutely and just to finish up what you said previously donald trump he's got his own coin you know donald trump has his own cryptocurrency coin um is this some sort of group um if you if you go to the top of the chain my opinion is the cia are the richest families in america and they control all narratives and again this is only my opinion for you spending time with john i think these people are selected through some sort of ancient bloodlines or something like that but i'm getting to the point in my life where conspiracies don't really interest me i know when you delve deep into the rabbit hole things are not quite what you seem and the world's not quite as it's shown to people you can drive yourself mad james so sometimes you just have to get on with your normal shit like you say it's these people are they move different and i always say these people that bezos and zuckerberg and elon musk they're kind of alien tendencies they're kind of not human i get that but i don't listen i could just be off my head well you've got the reptilian term don't you blood so on and you know everybody goes in delves into the the conspiracies of illuminati the skull and crossbones etc um all i know is through being a freemason and i've got a lot of respect to freemasonry but there's two sides there's a bright side and there's a dark side there's a dark sun and there's a bright sun and i think if you start focusing on the dark sun and I think that's where it gets weird and wonderful.

34:35I think the CIA call it WWAFM. I don't know if that's quite right. Weird, wonderful and fucking magic. I think the three masons started in Scotland. We were actually speaking on the week down. I think that just because you're a mason, you're not bad. I think the Illuminati stuff has kind of scared people off and think all masons are bad. People have their little clubs where somebody's a judge. I distance myself. I don't spend much time at Lodge. I've not been to Lodge for a long time. I still have some contact with the brethren. you know they're very very intelligent men but i think when you go into america specifically freemasonry is different than these levels to the game and i think when you should get very high up in power i think that's when you get access to the deep dark and fucked up shit which to some extent i feel like i've experienced whether that's connected to some sort of psychosis some sort of me feeling like i'm going mad some sort of ptsd after spending time with john i have to question reality sometimes but you've got to question these people who are so high up these billionaires who are worth 100 billion 300 billion the rich families they must have some sort of blueprint this how to keep it how to manipulate it because they say like two or three generations of your wealth if you're wealthy it'll be stripped away within two or three generations these people have kept it for thousands of years so there must be something how they've kept the scripts and the plans to still stay at the top i always say this like i don't i don't know i know the vatican has got mile long of libraries and books but i think it could be look at the way the pyramids are created people think it's lasers and stuff so the technology we've had is thousands of years old whether they rewrite history and just wipe everybody out and start again but i think these people have got the books whether it's as real or however it is they've got the scriptures to understand wealth understand how manipulation works understanding the key elements of control and these people stay at the top of their game for so long so there must be something there must be some hidden keys or whatever it is to keep them at the top and have everybody under control because we're still all controlled I'm still driving a car I've still got my fucking mobile phone I've still got a banking system I still stay in a city I can promote a good message of freedom I can teach you how to not be in a banking system you can tell me bro I'm interested about the break free of the matrix but it's fucking hard because we're so my job is social media social media is the biggest corruption in the world and i know it's damaging my mind i know i'm addicted to it let me let me say something to you right now so these people that they control the tv they can control the news etc let's say today they said to everybody time travel is possible and this is how we did it everybody would be walking around saying time travel is possible people go a bit mad at first they won't be able to comprehend it but because they'd been told that it was possible, it would become factual.

37:24I know that sounds now a bit deluded, and you know, if you say time travel's possible, you know, people are like, you're fucking mentally ill, what are you talking about? But if it was put on TV, people would potentially believe it. So if we're going to simplify that, they control everything, James. Well, what they see in TV, 95 % of people believe. They told you that the Twin Towers was a terrorist attack. And if you actually look at... In my opinion, it was a fucking ritual. Yeah. In my opinion. because if you look who bought it and who put the insurance job out in it who never showed up to work that day how the airplane crashes and it's not a demolition have you ever read the redacted files that were released no there was more going on yeah but it's there it's the how the airplane crashes and the only thing that fucking survives is someone's passport like that blows my mind how no even if you look at the moon landings now it's not to go down all these rabbit holes but the boots are different, how they got a car, like a little machine car and it is like nothing adds up.

38:20No, and it's, but again, the power of TV, people believe that and people still believe it to this day. I know Steph thinks the moon landing is a real, but fuck me, the amount of people who I've interviewed now. Can you visualize a human being sent into space and landing on another planet and being able to breathe perfectly and fly all the way back home again? You've got to question things on you, come on. Because the technology that we have in our iPhone is more than what they had in the Apollo going up to the moon. Or that was only disclosed to us. In my opinion, the technology that they had was far more advanced, but it was only presented to the world as this is where we're up to.

38:54I do think whoever controls the world are so far advanced, 100 years, 200 years, they know what's going to be trending in five years, 10 years. They manipulate the stock markets. This might sound deluded, I might seem mentally ill. I've seen Anonymous, and let's just say Anonymous, control the stock markets and push it in whichever direction they want as and when they want we print money we actually print money but yet we tax people nearly 60 percent i think they were taxing people up to 90 percent away back in the 60s like it's fucking so far-fetched how the way we're going to tax people 60 percent but yet we print money we could easily be paying nhs doctors we could easily be paying the homeless we could easily be helping the world in a better place but we've got people slaving 95 taking half your money your bills are too high your food bills are too high but yet they've got us working for pennies but yet the fuckers print money i know people say oh but you can't just give everybody money but you can fucking print it there's a way and there's a scheme where you can get everybody in the world thriving but the reason again it's all about control keep people dumbed out keep the vibration low where they don't think outside the box people are too caught up in their own fucking world they don't ask real questions who's behind that why are they saying that what the fuck is going on we're just so caught up no we'll go and watch the cricket tonight or the football go for a drink eat some shit oh i like you we're on the same page right so i'm a trader money can be printed yeah you know you need access to capital to be able to print money but if you have a skill set and you follow the market makers or the banks or the institutions if you get an insight or a trend or if you look at probabilities and you understand the flow of money you've got to understand what money is first of all and how money is created if you can delve into that money is printed certainly by the elites yeah and you've got to look at the power of artificial intelligence artificial intelligence has the capability to do anything that a human being can do 10 times better it's got an iq of 1100 chat gbt has an iq of 1100 it can outperform any human being it can trade for you it can print your money there's ways to do it and if you have the capabilities the skill set and the people behind you which they do money's no issue could we be artificial intelligence?

41:04could we be aliens, avatars? I like to call it alien intelligence it's got to have been handed to us from somebody or somewhere at some particular moment in time in history that's my opinion it is mind-boggling though when you actually break it down for the brain and the heart and the kidneys and we can buy into the religion of Adam and Eve that just doesn't make sense to me look at what the human body's capable of it can cure cancer itself through fasting in my opinion you know if you just look at health and nutrition and what you can do for the human body it's a supercomputer it's programmed to survive it's programmed to fix itself you know if we're going to get deep dark and wonderful where did that come from you know somewhere along that are we science experiment was we created you know if you look at heaven on earth in my opinion there's certainly no man in the sky there's certainly you know no burning furnace down below i believe that all comes down to a state of mind and how you're being enslaved in your permanent dream state when you do go to sleep or when you die there's certainly over time been some sort of creation of a story to create control within the masses we do create our own story our brain is like a memory card when you go watch the metrics to say what do you want to do learn how to fight and just typing in the data we can type in any data and make any moves we want in life in our brain will store it we can learn any language fight the way we want to fight create what we want to create everything that's created in this planet now could have been created a thousand years ago two thousand years ago even the man who created the airplane or the car they've come up with that creation in their mind they've thought about the process first do you think that technology has been a lot more advanced than what it is now and then it's all been reset i think we've devolved i think we've went back in time you look at the structures they had with the old buildings and the bells apparently and they've reset it all because the bells had a frequency when they used to ring the bells.

42:53I understand, and you're talking my language. Yeah, so I think if you look at the pyramids, I still, I look at the pyramids and I quite don't understand why they can't be created. I think, again, I don't know if that's to play with people's minds, but they look back there and they say it's to do with lasers. Somebody was using lasers to then create it with certain stars. Again, I don't know if even stars exist. I don't know if the moon exists, the sun exists. It doesn't make sense to me when you look at NASA pointing down at the Earth. Why is the Earth not spinning? It doesn't make sense that if the sun, why is it darkness out there?

43:22But yet we've got light here. Like again, I just, there's so many questions unanswered for me and people, I've had people on speaking about UFOs and people who's been lifted up by fucking aliens. But again, unless I see it with my own eyes, I've still got to question it. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I would just love some answers to understand how we should live as human beings because I think we're all backwards with it. I don't think we've got it right at all. I think We're all confused Mental health's at an all time Family life's breaking down People are more addicted than ever We're unhealthy as ever Like something's not quite right The system is broken You know And who the fuck would want to control the world To make other human beings sick You know Like they talk about gods But God wouldn't have that You know God wouldn't have The devil was in man I understand geometria And this I'm going off on a little bit of a tangent for you James But I've spent a lot of time around John I understand geometria in secret numbers What is that?

44:16um well if we let's go for it knowledge wisdom understanding one two and three four being culture five being perfection six being equality or the devil within man the devil within man so if what were relevant to what we're speaking about there the devil within man you know man's capable doing really really bad six sadistic things eight being sorry seven being the god number eight being destroying rebuild culture that's what we're going through right now we're going through an area, an area where culture's been destroyed and rebuilt with things like COVID, with the re-implementation of the financial system.

44:52There's a lot of shit going on behind the scenes, which is there's going to be a big aftermath and nine being the rebirth or the reborn. So in my opinion, the rebirth or the reborn is the world changing drastically and dramatically. Yeah, I had David Dyke's son on Jamie and he says there was a man who protected three wars, World War I, World War II, and it was bought on. And he said there was going to of a world war 3 because they're wanting full control they're wanting the digital currency they're wanting facial recognition because china already has that in place he's saying china's going to win this war so everybody just goes through the world kind of policy of this is what you're doing full control electric cars 15 minute cities vaccines face masks can't travel you can only travel it's like tokens when you do good or work good you'll get certain tokens to go and work away if you do bad they'll take stop your money like it's so fucked up and that is the ultimate control and i just think i'm going to educate you now james so blockchain technology has the power to eradicate the banking system overnight so this is the reason why all the major banks have had to partner with certain cryptocurrency coins because they're going to get left behind if they don't so everything you've just described was effectively a cashless society everything digital that is going to happen and the blockchain is a mechanism which can fully facilitate that and it can facilitate full cross-border worldwide transactions instantaneously with a minimalistic fee you can't do that with a bank so we're going into that time atlas and i don't really use cash anyway no no no we're getting to that point you know you've you debit card yeah i hate the fact of not having it because if everything's on the system but then again i've got banking apps like it's like a contradiction sometimes as well.

46:31How would pensioners deal with that? You take away the money. Yeah. The loss, you know, the will's not ready for that adoption yet. They're not ready. So in my opinion, over the next 50 years, we're going to see a lot of change. But if we look at those layers to the game and the elites, they already know what's going to happen. I believe this was planned a long, long, long time ago and they now know what's going to happen in 10, 20, 30 years time with it. Yeah, I believe they're so far ahead in what's going to happen in their plans. We just catch up with it. Even with lockdown, we caught up with it.

47:00but yet we're still agreeing. I don't believe in any Prime Minister or any President. I think they're all full of shit, I think. As is dog shit. Yeah, oh, terrible. But I just think that all are. I think to get to that level and be the puppet on the stage, I think there's somebody obviously pulling their strings, but I just think to get to that level, you've got to abide by their laws and their rules. Obviously, they can promote a message of, yeah, he's the right one. He's stopping trans women's competing in sports. And that's great because the majority of people buy into it, but what else do they do?

47:28you know they still create wars they still create homelessness they still create pain they still create misery i just think even we could be living in the fucking garden of eden let's call it heaven on earth we could all be living in fucking paradise there's enough money for everybody to live in peace and for everybody to have free energy solar panels you know there's enough there for everyone to do all right or everybody to contribute and do the bit and us all live in unity but they certainly don't want that because the the controllers they control narratives and they want all the money and if they was to allow us to live in that type of environment wouldn't it be beautiful it'd be fucking beautiful then they won't be making no money so they won't allow it to happen do you think it's greed fucking right it's greed it just causes the destruction in the world unfortunately you've got to look at greed as you know there's a reason why it's one of the one of the sins you know greed yeah i i i'm so good at trading because i remove that element of greed and if you're greedy in anything in life i think camera will come and hit you see the trading thing is it patterns i think i'm a little bit artistic i think it was i'm dying those as a kid but i'm gifted i have a a certain way of looking at charts it's all patterns and probabilities that's all it is so after john get rid of your app closed it down nuked it what happened then how was the relationship right so if we're gonna go back there at that particular time i lost my shit and if you you know janice bless her she went for a lot but if you look in the film look at her face when my name is introduced that face drops i don't know whether that was because she knew what john was planning for me which will will go into that or when he shut down the application lost me shit my energy just foolfully you know i switched a little bit janice was like trying to talk to me and it was show up you know and the security team felt that energy um i'm sure even and Steve said to John, fucking, this boy's a killer, John.

49:19You know, I lost my shit. I was staring at him. I wanted to kill him. I wasn't fucking happy. He just took me fucking winning lottery ticket away. At that particular time, I didn't have a lot of money. So, my anger reduced, and I come to the realization that I've got no app. I'm in the Bahamas with not a lot of money around dangerous people, and he just freed$500 at me, and I just sat at the table. you know bearing in mind that the mobile application it it generated a lot but there was there was a lot of costs so i was only a 25 shareholder i wasn't very liquid at the time i didn't have much money and i think he knew that it all come down to his control what was his excuse that he'd been receiving messages from a lot of people saying the app wasn't very good there was there was negative press about it etc um but i didn't give a shit it was making money do you think that was a valid excuse i don't know maybe it was possibly not that good it could have been better you know i've got to remove my ego you know if i went into business with john mcafee but if in hindsight if i went back in time i could have done it better maybe i could have been more of a contributor maybe i got lost in bahamas party type environment playing with fucking drugs and guns and fucking whatever shit's going on you know do you understand yeah so yeah i've got a look from his perspective it could have been justified did they ever talk about the karens when on the documentary it says the neighbor poisoned his dog and then the neighbor got killed He was a clever man, so he didn't directly say, I did this, I did that.

50:46But he did certainly say to me that there'd been people that had crossed him in the past, and the houses had been burnt to the ground, and there'd been several people killed. Whether that was an image he wanted to portray to me to inflict that little bit more element of fear, more of his lies, he was certainly capable of it. Was he a gangster? No, absolutely not. No? He wasn't a gangster. I've never been a gangster, James. you know, I've never been a gangster. And I've got a movie I've seen, you know, we all have to sometimes do some gangster things. John wasn't a gangster. He was a geek, but his money gave him power.

51:23So was he a gangster? I don't know. I look back now, he was like a fucking cartel boss. Yeah, that's the kind of way with the guns and the drugs and the burning houses and the killings. Because in the documentary, it talks about who was the young kid who was speaking, quite snobby, sitting in the office, talking about I don't know if it was his son or not but I can't remember when they spoke oh there was somebody a ghost writer or something yeah because it was reading up how his dad abused him or something Alex he was called can't remember and he says that his dad was killed as well but they think it was John who done it his mistress told me that John killed his dad and it was in self defence because he he kept assaulting his mother and he kept assaulting him he broke his arm and you've got if that's a true story and you've got to look at a young kid in a very abusive violent i don't know i don't want to call it atmosphere or upbringing what the right word is it would take take a tad person but i think instinctively anybody would want to protect the mother in those circumstances definitely does he have any kids john he claimed to have 47 children but personally I think he only had one daughter but then again that's another lie it's that compulsive lying but in controlling narratives I don't know look at Elon Musk he's got like 12, 13 kids now you don't know with these people especially their women but why would a man with so much money marry prostitutes and they're disrespected prostitutes people change people make better decisions but why would they why was he he seems to have surrounded himself with the broken because it seemed as if he could manipulate them easy if you look at prostitution from a woman's perspective there's a lot of money in it it's attractive and you have to be honest as a man if you go and fuck a lot of women and get paid for it would you do it you know so it's controversial whether it's right or wrong I don't really want to say but I think John liked those type of women because somewhere along the line they had some sort of psychological issues again he could control them it would come down to that narrative what about he ran for presidency as well but how true was that just another game?

53:33Well, for me, you know, you're an average stereotypical lad from Manchester working private armed security for at that particular time, a US presidential candidate. You know, that's why I sometimes want him to have PTSD therapy. I'm thinking, fuck me, he was running for president at the time. He was never going to get the stage. He was never going to get it. He was never going to be president, but it gave him the opportunity to have that power. He could take the stage. He could speak to the world. And that's exactly what he did. whether he had the significant reach that he wanted or not was to be questioned but he certainly had the foundation to attempt to do that what was with the wigs and that that he used to wear he's fucking deluded isn't he you know I think that all comes down to look at the attention on me and he asked me if he was a gangster no I think when he was younger he was probably quite timid bullied in school that type of geek you know he was probably an avoider of violence he probably wasn't his world but when he when he generated his wealth um something happened he took the drugs he went weird and he started doing obviously wearing the wigs but it was all look at me but for other people that were looking at him they might be thinking oh that's a bit weird but in his head he thought it was a glorification of him or something does that make sense yeah yeah because obviously when he's doing the wigs and that he's always even when he was meeting people he always told them his name and i thought for somebody who's showing yeah for someone so intelligent why the fuck would you not be flying under the radar you'd say nothing and you'd vanish but he liked the attention on him and if you look at the the point of his life that he was he was late in his 70s he probably knew he was on the back end of life he was he wanted an Escapade, he wanted fun.

55:20He was probably bored of his life. He thought, right, let's go and see how big I can make my name now. Let's see how far I can go, if I can piss off. I think it was all just a game to him. Everything was a game. Did ever talk about his past? Not really. He was, I wouldn't say secretive. Or if you tried to ask him questions, which I did, he would be more elusive than anything. So we didn't really like to go back in time. Kind of skip around the questions. Yeah. It actually looks okay, man, if he was in his 70s, with all the drugs and shit that he was doing now if you look at these leech james do they have access to something we don't do they have access to medicines that we don't do they have something i actually excuse me i actually got sent to nassau which is one of the most dangerous islands in the bahamas we talked about exuma being one of the safest and it really is nassau's the kiddie one he's dangerous he sent me there on a heron he gave me 1400 and he actually sent me to pick up some illegal steroids which weren't available in exuma you know to maintain his sex drive and so on so i think things like his testosterone supplements etc or his trt at a later age he took whatever he needed to take to keep him looking young um but that was another story i got picked up by an arm guard in nassau expensive hotel we dropped off a jamaican prostitute the full fucking monitor you know i was dropped in the movie i had that experience and when i got back to the boat he said you need it and i fucking smuggled his testosterone bathroom him yeah actually i've actually still got a piece of paper on with his passport on it and his driver license and it says i am old and immobile please allow jamie edwards to pick up my prescriptions and that was kind of my evidence to the chemist in nassau so can i can have his testosterone please so who's doing test test he was tested and he was a big man if you look at him on tv certainly when he was younger he looks quite petite he looks quite slim he was a big man he was no six foot plus he was he was weighty weighty in pounds he was he had a presence about him he loved his dogs no he loved his dogs yeah how many dogs did they have when i was on the boat we had two german shepherds one was called axel i can't remember the name of the other one some ridiculous looking poodle thing don't know what it was it was a giant poodle and a pit bull but they were he loved him for me they were pain in the ass there was dog uh fucking everywhere and they were shitting on the boat and all that but yeah he liked his dogs i think as a man you either like dogs or you don't he loved him did they ever speak about the killing of the neighbor he said shall we watch the previous documentary i don't know if i should be mentioning it or not it was called gringo there was a previous documentary called gringo about him there was backstory of that i think it got taken down with his power or his influence um but he he would indirectly brag that you don't fuck with the dogs or you get shot dead because there was rumors the neighbor poisoned the dogs he went out of town and the neighbor got killed apparently it was somebody called eddie mcavoy the the first documentary would claim um and he allegedly got paid five grand to go on walking and it all comes down to that third country element five grand is a lot of money so you're gonna find a lot of dangerous dudes that are gonna go and shoot someone dead for five grand how many things was he on the run for what was actually true he was certainly on the run for some sort of tax avoidance or financial related crimes um was he wanted for the murder in belize i think he was wanted by the belizeian authorities but he fled to guatemala was extradited back to america there was no way of them charging him or having him extradited back into belize so i have to eliminate that he couldn't have been wanted for that because if they wanted him they would have got him do you understand um so in my opinion it was financial and money related or it could have been related to his hacking capabilities and him pissing off the wrong people how much do you think he was worth he either spent all his money and he didn't have a lot left or he had a significant amount of cryptocurrency which James English and Jamie Edwards was allocated to the relevant people upon his death or prior to.

59:22Because even his boat in that, if you're worth hundreds of millions, I think you could have got a bigger boat. It was worth a mil the boat. And when we was in the Bahamas, there was another guest who'd said since we've been there, he spent 800 grand or some of that. That's a lot of money to spend in the Bahamas. I've been there. How the fuck do you spend that sort of money? But he was going through money at a very fast rate. He was, you know, he was burning it. so without going off a tangent he had millions but i don't think he was anywhere near that hundreds of million mark where we used to be at yeah do you think he was just spending living his kind of end of his life well if you look at his his house in america but then this could come down it's controversial we talked about somebody if you get to that high in that magnitude it's kind of vanish and stay off the radar so would you want the big glorious mansion that stood out would you want all the supercars he had a level of flamboyance to him but he certainly wasn't materialistic yeah that's right because the way he dressed and his clothes just his shorts and his flip-flops even though he had done even though the boat he could have probably had the bigger boat you're just thinking he lived quite an average life as well there was nearly a million quid in cash on the boat and there was hundreds of thousands of pounds of metal gold and silver but i think that could have been his accumulated wealth at that particular time that he had access to if that makes sense and he just took it all with him and went on the run because if you were going to go on on the run knowing you're not going to go back to america you wouldn't leave any assets or money there they would be in banks which he couldn't use because he wasn't allowed to use banks when did this say on the run what year um he was apparently on the run in 2012 with the belegian authorities and then he was on the run from american authorities or entities in 2019 and when did they run for presidency 2020 was when he was due to run for present presidency because we were living at his exile campaign headquarters in the bahamas so he was like a year in advance it was the 2020 campaign and what was the other guards like i still keep in contact with some of them i'm still good friends with you know we'll use early a-lis is choppy choppy's a good friend i've i've been back to the harmas and spent some time with him bohemian people they're like anybody else the hustlers they want to make money they come from an island where there's the lack of opportunity so they have to do what they have to do to make money so whether i could say that i fully trusted all of them i don't think you ever could trust anybody again so you've certainly got half that element of being skeptical of people like you're certainly in that environment some bohemians are very dangerous um but to simplify and answer your question they were all on a level james they were all on a level they were all right i think the majority of humans are when you speak to them at a level but people know with vibration and energy that something's off you know and i think if you just talk to people on a kind of level like i says everybody's got an agenda to survive it's surviving mode here whether this is fucking hell you imagine being on an island where you've only got local businesses bars and restaurants and you've got to survive and make money and you're living on one of the most sought after rich islands on the planet where it's very, very expensive to live.

1:02:30And that element of the island doesn't care whether you've got any money or not. There's no in between. You've got to survive. They've got to make money. So the hostess, the beaming people, the hostess. Tax-free? I think the tax in the Bahamas is very different. I do believe it's tax-free. yeah i might be wrong i'd have to check that but i don't believe that this tax on the barmas what about these health issues did they have any health issues so i have a recording of him saying that there is an old man who has pancreatic cancer who knows that his time left on this planet is short i have to be under the presumption that he was making reference to himself so there's a chance that he could have had some sort of cancer james and he was dying and he knew that and if if i reflect and go back in time and look at the dangerous scenarios that we was put through us and the other security guys were put our lives were put at risk on multiple occasions this motherfucker didn't care if he was going to die or not he was prepared to sink that ship i'm going to with a smile on his face to get it so i think personally he was approaching his end of life and he had a terminal illness what sort of things the danger did he put you in we've got a sticks to my mind very currently at the minute so we have a dinghy on the boat you see it in the film it decides to take us all around the island to an exclusive report it was something like the hilton or something i can't remember the name of it but it was an exclusive report result where we was going to have food there was eight of us in this dinghy so we've got multiple security guards a couple of females and we set off on a trip seas are pretty rough the dinghy goes at a fair speed and if it gets momentum it goes fast he was fucking hitting it james he was going at full throttle pretty much leaving the water smashing everybody about and i mean fucking us up to the point like where i'm holding on to a piece of rope flying up in the air smashing down on the deck it got to the point where he was hurting me i had fucking swelling on my elbows swelling on my knees then he one of the security guards flew off in the air flew off into the water and john's saying benny what are you doing shark infested water's getting back on the boat like it was his fault.

1:04:44From all of the store we make it to this resort, we do what we do when we have a beautiful day but we head back and some of the locals are looking at us saying, you're brave, obviously it's getting late, I'm oblivious, the sea's getting rough in it, so we're about half a mile to a mile away from the shore, you can see it in the distance. He's a ratty behaviour, the dinghy starts filling up with water. So at this point, we've already stopped at a pig island, we've got a baby pig on the boat which has been stolen. I'm pissing with blood, nearly snapped my spine in a bad fucking way. boat sinking so then it hits me i'm gonna fucking die here some of those guys gonna happen i stand up and death death stare three minutes i say you're taking the fucking piss don't know i managed to stand i turn around the self-preservation instant kicks in i turn around i see some rocks with all this slimy shit on them i think i'm not climbing onto him great i'm gonna have to swim to shore in shark-infested waters i'm pissing with blood i'm gonna get fucking eaten luckily they got all the water out of the bowl but my reaction was then drop me the fuck off and me and his wife got dropped off at a private beach and he fucks off laughing doing all his shit whatever fucks off like a fucking lunatic but i'm then stood there on this beach all smashed up to fuck bearing in mind i'm working on security i've got to protect his wife fucking do you understand i'm fucking stood on the speech just walked into a bar like james bond and um then it dawns on me i've got to protect his wife i've got to go back to the boat i'm the only security guard i get i get some some girls who we knew on the island to pick us up i think it was benny's girlfriend at the time they pick us up and then the first thing johnny johnny says is i don't know these bitches i think for fuck's sake i've just never been fired i've never been killed and now i've got a wife who's maybe had a few drinks not acting quite rational you know i don't know if that was the case or not bless her um but another story nearly fucking killed me he either knocked me out or nearly knocked me out i had like a white light go through me so i look back and i think it couldn't have been my life flashing before my eyes because I was fucking, I would have been dead but he pretty much nearly knocked me out James, he fucked me up, he did some shit to me See when you were recording him, see if he found out, would he have killed you?

1:06:48He had the capability to do so but if I look back in time now I think he knew what I was doing and I think he was testing me to see to what extremities I would go to if he pushed me so he could deliver an aftermath to me through his anonymous contacts after his death if that makes sense to you so another we can come back to that another dangerous scenario um we have a heightened security threat um we're going to have a military intervention they're coming to capture me for all my charges in america we've got to leave now and we've got to settle to cuba what the fuck's going on so within 10 minutes we're literally fucking fueling up the boat and we're fucking off to cuba was there a threat no i think it was all part of this extravagant story at that particular time but now in hindsight when i look backwards there was certainly a possibility more of the story without me getting long-winded james i was given a 10 minute tutorial on how to sail the yacht um by the captain who was he was brought in from sirix and caicos and we sailed it all the way to cuba through 9 000 feet high seas and we're not talking no little waves and we we sailed all the way to Cuba but if I'm looking back now we had no life vests we were in dangerous seas we just had a mechanical issue on the boat the boat could have stopped working any time it could have capsized it could have flipped over it was fucking dangerous you know I was sailing it and it was pitch black had waves coming over the whole boat and it felt like the boat was being fully submerged and going underwater literally to me that was fucking dangerous you know you say you struggle mentally with him what happened how did your mind go at that time i was very content and comfortable and i was all right and i don't know whether it was part of his conditioning but if i'm looking back through some of these scenarios that i'm explaining to you i'm thinking why did you put me through that scenario why was i the person sailing the boat at one point i fell asleep um outside and the captain took over within 40 minutes he come and woke me up until it's short sailing to sail again and if i look back there's a possibility he was seeing how i would act under sleep deprivation you know like you'd fucking train a navy seal or something never been in the army i've never you know i've never been in connected to any military force or anything like that i think he was going testing me and putting me through the extremities of what is this lad capable of what sort of connections did they have who was in contact with any big names he claimed to be in contact with satoshi nakamoto who was the creator of bitcoin and he still has an anonymous identity so he would certainly be a prominent figure if he was in contact with him he claimed to be in contact with the cia and having conversations with the cia he he seemed to have some sort of a disagreement or a tiff or some sort of war with hillary hillary clinton can't quite explain why i I think that's maybe through to some historical hacking and information or evidence that he may or may not have had access to.

1:09:57Did they ever talk about NASA? No. I would have loved to. That would have been my foresight. I would have loved to him to have gone down that hole and talked about his time on the Apollo 13 programme. But if you look back at technology at that particular time, we mentioned this earlier, it was either more advanced than we knew about, or they were dealing with old obsolete technology, or it would be to us now. they did an extremely good job to make things happen with the level of where technology was at at that time. So obviously with Hillary Clinton and it came out about her emails and fucking eating bodies and you don't even know what's fake anymore but I think the Clintons have killed people who've been around them there's been like 40 odd mysterious deaths.

1:10:38Well all I've got to say and somebody said this in the documentary you know you don't fuck with a cartel They're the proper gangsters You don't fuck with a cartel and if you look at the major cartels, Sinaloa or wherever, they're all controlled by bigger people. So he never spoke about NASA, never done anything? No, I would have loved to speak about that, but no, again, it's all part of that. He didn't really go back in time. He didn't really want to reveal anything about his past to anybody. What do you think he was hiding? Childhood trauma. Do you think that's what all stems down to? He's just scared little boy and all that bravado is just all fake?