The Football Hooligan Who Won the Lottery - Bradfords Daniel Wright Tells His Story

35:38Oh yeah Yeah yeah I'd be more arsed Yeah yeah I'd be more arsed More arsed I think the only game I've never I've ever come out of the ground I've not wanted to fight With Chelsea When we beat them 4-2 I was just so happy So like I didn't even think about it What do you think When you see the guys Like it is very cringe When you see matches Because everybody's Got camera phones down Oh yeah And you'll see the guy Giving it the white guy Yeah yeah yeah Giving it that To like 10 ,000 fans Yeah, no, I think it looks a bit pathetic. There were one, actually, on Saturday, of Bradford and Barnsley fans, like, goaded each other and they kind of half got near each other.

36:10In fact, there's a bird from Bradford and she gets stuck straight in. She's probably messed up a lot, to be honest. But I always think it's a bit embarrassing. It looks a bit like... Because it wasn't really like that in our day. We're more away from stuff. Do you have any birds fighting for thumbs? No, not that I know of, no. Yeah, that'd be fucked up. That'd be weird. But I bet it does happen. The world's changing, isn't it? nowadays mate yeah yeah I interviewed a man he was an undercover copper I think he went undercover at Millwall I've seen that yeah and I think it says there was like 10 of them or 8 of them yeah it'll be in Arsenal or something and they went but he says they were a different breed he says they were fucking well organised and nuts and if Millwall I would like to see Millwall in the Premier I do look for their scores I do yeah I would like to see what would happen if they do do you think that could possibly kick start things again because they are so well known for Millwall 100 % yeah they would be out I'd probably say every week and every firm at Premier League would want to go there so yeah I think that would like kickstart there'd definitely be trouble at a lot of games because there's thousands in their firm yeah yeah yeah when they're out they can pull a big firm why are they so respected well have you ever actually been there James yeah it's a fucking scary place just walking about isn't it there is a weeb about it yeah yeah that's the same when you go to like Belfast and stuff there's an energy there's a something could kick off at any minute yeah yeah so I mean there's that and then they've just got they've always had a good firm you know and I think there's like what I'd always say with like the top firms and the because I say any day anyone could beat anyone you know but I think the difference with like what makes a top firms is they do it regular and like when there's a big game they always I'd say Birmingham's one of the best at that someone always seems to when Birmingham's like got a big game, they always seem to be, someone always seems to kick off with them, you know what I mean?

38:03They always seem to make a bit of a show. Yeah, I met a few of the Birmingham lads a few weeks ago. Yeah. I want to go to one of their games. Yeah. One of the guys has got a box. I'm going to go down and see what it's like. I love going to all the games, man. I love seeing new fans. Yeah. Seeing the vibe. Because every stadium has a different feel to it. Yeah, yeah. St. Andrews is class as well. It's a class stadium. Yeah. Yeah. We played them last season in Cup, in semi-final at Cup with the beaters, But the atmosphere Were great I haven't been in a game Where the atmosphere Were like that For years Because our away-in Were just all men There weren't really Many kids there There weren't many women there And it was just like We were actually a bit Of a nasty away-in Actually Even though no happened Just the away-in I enjoyed it You know like People singing nasty songs And that again It was fun Because obviously Birmingham had got A nasty Atmosphere in the ground As well So it was good It was good Because we know now All the football Hooligan films It's not just Guys with the skinheads who just want to fight and sell drugs.

38:58You've got guys who are pilots, doctors, lawyers. What sort of jobs did people have that were fighting for you? You could go from a drug dealer all the way to a solicitor, you know, like that different. There's that different, yeah. There's all sorts. I mean, I would say a majority of football hooligans are usually lads who work some sort of trade and they either work for themselves or work for companies, you know, so plumbers, joiners, electricians, window fitters. I would say the majority of that but then you do have you know others as well yeah what's the most you had in your form in one day in Premier League probably 200 250s a few times I remember we went to Sheffield United 2015 I think it was we probably took about 250 there as well that was probably the best I've seen us that day because we took 250 and like I got our escort straight away and I thought but only one who gets our escort and I went first booze I went in there were like another 60 of us there so because sheffield is a good firm they're good firm it's an hard place to go sheffield so i mean we got the better of them that day but to be honest not i don't know often happen especially at their place who's the best firm you've came up against best firm i've ever seen man united at bradford yeah yeah yeah anyone who tells you man united are a good firm's jack absolute shite the numbers are just fucking massive so yeah best where I've ever seen at Bradford Man United here.

40:23Yeah, because I had one punch Doyle on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a bit of a boy. He's very well respected and he was talking about the Man U days. Yeah. Like 80s, 90s. Yeah. But I don't know if they still had a big firm there. I would say even then, so that were like early noughties and I would say they were the best in the country then by a long way. That would possibly their peak. They were really good then. Really good. How many decent firms are there? Well, are we saying like the I'd say top five who's the top five you've came up against well this would be hard well you know you're going up against and you know you've my top five would be the top five would probably be not in any particular order Man United Topdenham Millwall Birmingham

41:12I don't Grimsby no I like Grimsby but I couldn't say again they're not as regular as these firms so Middlesbrough Sheff United Leeds Aston Villa You know All them teams I'll probably have up there as well Yeah Is it hard to separate See do you ever go to a Like do you ever go to a tear up And think We're not going to win today But we just need to show up Never Always going with the mindset Of going to win Yeah yeah I've been to tear ups With ten of us And thought we can do this You know what I mean We just need If you steam straight in They think there's more here And make loads of noise You can get them on back foot And once you get them on back foot Don't let them Don't ever stop Just keep going forward That's the best way you can do it One of the older lads, Taylor talked to that years ago And it's right that And what do you class as a win?

41:57What as a win? Obviously if you chase them But also Sometimes you just get the bitter of the fight It might be that nobody ran And three or four of them are on their arse Or three or four of us are on our arse So you'd probably say well They got bitter of that fight Because I've interviewed so many And they'll contradict themselves They'll like Not contradict themselves But they'll say yeah we chased them we chase them like they're telling lies they're telling lies there's never any truth no you'll get a couple who'll say you know what he knocked me out he fucking knocked my chief out they ran me that day yeah yeah a majority though they don't admit they defeat they don't admit 100 % I'm not bothered about that because I mean I've just told you Brentford chased me everyone will be laughing me at their ass off at that you know what I mean but it happens I've been put on my ass another thermal people don't it reminded me this morning Peterborough I once went in a pub in Bradford and there was some Peterborough in there and I said, I didn't think they'd be up for it.

42:50I goes, what are you doing there? Before you even answer me, just crack me, put me straight on my arse. But I got back up and we all fired into them. But yeah, yeah, I've been chased. I've been put on my arse. I've been beat up. I've had fights where nobody's run and they've got better of us. From athletic stuff like a full court pickup game, swish, to athletic-ish stuff like a half mile stroll. Get those steps in. Head to Sierra or Sierra.com for the brands you want at the prices that let you do it all. From athletic to athletic-ish, sierra's got it propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes does it throw weird off no no no no no never i i don't do it anymore but if you said to me i could do it tomorrow and get away with it there'd be no repercussions I'd be there in a shot what age you know I'm 41 now yeah I'd be there in a shot but I think there's people older than me that would be there in a shot as well there's probably lads in the 60s that'd say well I can get away with it nothing's ever going to come back of it they'd be there what do you think that is the driving force behind it do you think it's something kind of missing could it be mental health could it be just the fact of fighting for your badge or the brotherhood what do you think it is it's just a thrill in it I think like life you go through life don't you and you, how many stuff do you actually enjoy?

44:16That's, you know, like that's, so you find something you enjoy and someone says to you, oh, you could do this and get away with it. Like I don't drink that much anymore because I don't like the hangovers, but sometimes I do misdrinking. Like, so I'll go for a drink. But if you said to me, oh, you could drink and not have an hangover, I'd probably do it, wouldn't I? Probably, I wouldn't. If you said to me, you won't waste three days after and not do any work, I'd probably think, oh yeah, I might have a drink then, yeah. Yeah. but like 100 % football if you said to me no repercussions yeah I'd do it and you got another sentence yeah another sentence that were three and a half years I got for that so that were we went out on one at lads headway into Halifax some lads coming I mean this is ridiculous no one will believe this but some lads come at pub from Halifax started on us they got beat up but there were a lot more of our firm than theirs like loads more so I some of our young ones were like paggering this lad and he fair play to the guy he wouldn't give up like he would just say come on come on i ended up grabbing him and like so i've grabbed him and it's gone off camera james yes but all you can see is like something going back like that yeah and then i come back into shot and they're saying that i punched him you know loads of times but i actually didn't punch him i was just grabbing him so i actually did not do that one even though everyone will say he did do it he did i promise you i didn't do it i didn't hit the guy and you got three and a half three and a half years for and got found guilty.

45:37Bit embarrassing as well because I said to me, solicitor goes, when the jury went out because I took it to trial, I said, we want them to take a while, don't we? He goes, no, no, you want them to be as quick as possible, yeah? So I don't know if you've ever been in Crown Court, James, yeah? So it was like 20 past 12 in Crown Court. You're not getting called back then. Them judges want to go for their dinner. So I thought, shall I go over the road and get something to eat? I thought, just hang about five minutes, went and got a cup of tea. I didn't even get to take a sip of the cup of tea and they shouted, or Daniel Wright come back to court.

46:07I'm thinking, solicitors told me, oh, quicker the better, you know what I mean? I'm buzzing here, I've got not guilty. Walked in, guilty. All 12 of them found me guilty in five minutes. The whole 12? All 12, yeah. I'd have sacked that lot. Instantly, like, whenever they come back, instantly, that doesn't mean not guilty. That could be a straight guilty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're out there and you think you get called after five minutes, you might be in trouble, lads. Just keep that one in. What are you thinking then? like does it do you lose that throw because you said now in your 40s you still got that throw if you could get the call up and not get away with it you would do it does that then make you question like I'm given a lot of years of my life I wait for this that's what made me quit really James because like I got two and half three and half what am I getting next time five six I mean even worse if they could maybe chuck an eight at you I don't want to do that sort of time so I thought it's probably time to call it in now and as you get older and you've done a few sentences a lot of lads won't admit this either but I'll admit this you do start to think about stuff where before I'd just steam straight in not bothered but now if something were to happen I'd be like you know checking all over Zach is your camera and you're not the same it does take a bit out of you a bit like a bit of your gameness probably because you're thinking I don't want to get nicked here you know where before you didn't care about it Heaven's got cameras now you've got dash cams on cars you've got ring doorbell you've not just got the CCTV helicopters helicopters you get everything who were it was someone didn't someone get one at football lads i'm sure we're on your show and i can't remember who said it they got nicked because someone were filming off a balcony on a tripod or something yeah yeah that's unlucky that like yeah that was big daunting worry yeah that is unlucky yeah yeah and i gave the footage to the coppers yeah yeah yeah yeah what's jail we and then uh the second time so i were in armley again which is obviously like the local and then i got shipped to weatherby uh wilson at weatherby but i it was custody that sentence to be fair which is obviously you're used to jail by the night you've done it and like um i've got a good job where all i had to do in day what so if you're a new prisoner you come in someone has to read this book to you that tells you stuff like how many visits you get and how you get money sent in so i used to do that in the morning then my day with myself so i just i could go to the gym all day basically so it were all right yeah it was decent what's your mom and dad saying at this point uh when we unfortunately my dad died on my second sentence he died when i were in there so yeah yeah but my mum obviously she's got it like it's embarrassing that's the worst thing for me now like i don't want to because obviously my mum's older now like 76 so even my sister's 50 i don't i don't want them coming to jail to visit me you know what i mean it's no it's embarrassing isn't it is that when the penny drops when your dad dies when you're in jail after the football yeah yeah do you know what though james i think it dropped before that because it obviously been poorly and i knew i was going to probably miss his death so yeah obviously it dropped before that and three and a half years is a long time as well isn't it it's a long time you know people say I deserved it anyway but that's the thing of having just trying to have a normal life having the football hooliganism but people need to understand people who join the army or join firms it's because there's something missing they want to feel part of something they want to fit in well that's it in my novel I kind of try and show that people are just lost aren't they whatever you do in life everybody's kind of lost you're looking for something to make you some money and like to keep you entertained and keep you happy i mean i don't know if men can ever be happy i'm not sure but because you always i don't know about you james but when you achieve something i always i'm like happy for five minutes and then i'm like well what am i gonna do now i need to do something else i don't but i just think that's men in it but men's minds are very complex we're really strange beings with yeah like we don't really know how to navigate emotion or feelings yeah yeah i don't i can only speak for myself majority of people I speak for like we never really have true answers no matter what we do or what we achieve you could have chased out the man youth firm say they had a thousand you had a hundred you would think that was great but there's something you won the lottery as well which we'll catch up there's always an element for myself of never feeling good enough never feeling truly satisfied people say oh working yourself I've done all that shit but there's still always something I don't know if it's because I know there's something bigger outside of me that we don't really tap into.

50:23But again, I could be talking shite as well. No, I agree. We're just enjoying life. But for how big the universe is and people, I just find that there's an emptiness because we're not really doing what should be fulfilling us, truly. I think everything is a system where we think that's the way to live, but something's telling me it's not. And I don't know the answers to it. And I think that's why I'm always confused of, well, you're not enjoying your life. You've created the life that you wanted, but yet you're still a miserable cunt but how do you enjoy it James so say you go like say you go on a five star oral a day for two weeks after ten days I'm bored even maybe after a week I'm thinking what else can I do now I don't even enjoy it bro I'm taking my kids my mum my family and they're all doing my fucking tips and I think fuck this like my place of peace is my dogs oh yeah they're crazy but I just love them so much I love their loyalty I love their just how they would sit with you no matter what no matter how you're feeling no matter if you're happy or sad or homeless or in a million pound house they're there with you and that loyalty you can never get from any humans we say we've got a handful of friends that if you've got that you're doing amazing but even them no one's ever 100 % your dogs are 100 % yeah yeah yeah a friend said to me about friends years ago and I always remember this he says how many friends have you got that you can trust with your bird trust with your money and trust with your life and then how many of them can you trust with all three and when you think about it it's not a lot you know when you think about that it's not a lot you're lucky if you've got one one yeah you're lucky if you've got one and I even still question the bastards yeah yeah yeah we're living in a day and age where the trust is totally diminished yeah it's totally gone yeah yeah because of social media and everybody's kind everybody's struggle as well but everybody's greed yeah you know to pretend that we're trying to achieve these these fake lives that people are portraying online they're not real but yeah it's convincing us that we should have these lives to be happy and I think it's very damaging we need to be careful including myself man I've said that social media is so damaging it's terrible isn't it really I think we are the guinea pigs for it for the last sort of 10 years and I think the signs will start to show I think mental health is through the roof and I think social media is a big indicator from that well I think people look at people because the thing with social media is whatever anyone's doing in life the only post on social media when they're doing something like good, don't they?

52:50No one ever posts on social media or I can't pay my gas bill this week or whatever. So everyone looks at that social media and then they think, oh, so many people are doing better than me and that's what makes them all depressed, isn't it? So, yeah. What was your ban then from the football ground with your second sentence? My second sentence, I did not get a ban because they couldn't prove it was football. So I'd come off my ban just before I got sentenced for that because I were on trial for that for about three years. So it just kept going on and on. and then so I didn't get a ban with that but my first ever ban was a three-year ban that was a civil ban where they like stop you at airport try to go to an England game and then about a year after that I got another ban.

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55:10England, quite a few probably about ten or something like that going to support or going to fight? Both. Both. Both. Yeah. I've been to some England games after my ban and obviously I'm going to support now. I've done a few tournaments since then. When it's the Euros are the final, you do see the English fans causing it. It's not just fucking fighting, there's tables flying, there's restures getting done. Back in the day, definitely then, but now, definitely, like, in Marseille and stuff, definitely not. There's not enough of them. It's all like shirters and stuff now. There's not really many lads there.

55:41We used to call them runies, you know, they all have Rooney on the back of the shirt and stuff so I know the papers always make it look like that but I'd probably say now it's a lot of normal England fans who are taking beatings for our behaviour of the past really so yeah I think yous probably get treated the worst though but yous do do a lot of damage yeah yeah yeah so yous do the media portrays it that way yeah yeah yeah no doubt there's a lot of great English fans who just go there yeah yeah to support their country but the English fans man you do see it in the news and you add the Scottish man I just think the bastard's up to a new good thing yeah yeah yeah what is it like fighting for England how does it work is everything cut off from football teams to them no club fighting a way it's like that a way it's like that but when we used to play at home no it wasn't really like that because not many firms came to England they still don't bring that many now I don't think so like so you used to have like say we'd be trying to fight with Leeds and Huddersfield or Tottenham would be trying to fight with Arsenal and Chelsea or Portsmouth would be trying to fight with Southampton or whoever you know what I mean rival at home England games especially them games in Manchester I don't know if you remember when Wembley shut they like played a lot of games in Manchester for a few years and them games were absolutely mental they were like coming to near the end of football violence when I think it really ended probably about 2010 were like when it completely finished and then but every firm then from north used to have like big mobs there because obviously they don't go as much when it's down Wembley do they?

57:11like it's a long fucking way innit but when we were in Manchester yeah there were some mental days there were mental so a lot of in-house fame between each other yeah with different firms yeah and the stadium or outside outside yeah but you could you could have a fight like we might have a fight with Huddersfield let's say and then you'd walk it's finished you'd walk down road and Burnley would be fighting with Bolton it just honestly it was it was really fun actually yeah really fun was it? yeah fun yeah fun times probably not for people at Manchester or police but yeah it was fun Because the Rangers When they were in the UEFA final Yeah There was over 100 ,000 fans there And I think they were Caused it, weren't they Steph?

57:47The Rangers fans were Fucking going off Their knockdown there I know some Rangers lads I actually went over that day I actually went to Manchester that day But I gnashed before All trouble started But yeah That were That were mental I remember them So how does it work then With other firms And other guys in these firms Going and fighting For other firms Like how does that work? Does that happen? Yeah that does happen Some firms are like Close with each other but that's not something Bradford have ever done. The only firm where it's half friendly with like that is probably Millwall. Some of our lads go down there sometimes and some Millwall lads used to live in Bradford.

58:23They used to live up here. So we're like friendly from that. But they've never brought like... 20 lads from Millwall have never come to a Bradford game and 20 lads from Bradford have never gone to a Millwall game. I don't think either of our firms would like that to be fair. We're both a bit like on our own. I know some of the Aberdeen boys Go to Tottenham Tottenham go to Aberdeen Rangers and Chelsea Are very tight as well Yeah yeah Well when we played Aberdeen There was some top of them With them that day yeah So The people Is this how fucked up it is Where people actually Look at the fixture list In teams they don't like Go and fight for another firm Because they don't like those teams There probably is stuff like that But that doesn't happen with us We don't really like that You know We're a bit on our own And we're not the best firm We're a very very good one On our day but You know I don't think we could say we're like a top five because you have to be more consistent for me to be that but yeah we don't really like it we don't do that we won't do it it won't be looked if like 10 lads from another firm turned up at ours it won't be well liked definitely not who's the biggest firm you've ever came up against?

59:26Man United definitely by many? 600 maybe was it? yeah about 600 I'd have said yeah is that why you say they're one of the best? yeah definitely because the world's can get 600 so yeah I'd definitely say them but I'd rate other firms I'd rate Sheff United, Aberdeen I've seen Leeds on the day like I would say like in my time we've always got the better of Leeds but I have seen Leeds on the day like England Turkey at Stadium Light I went to that game and that firm of Leeds I've seen that day is absolutely unbelievable firm yeah so I'd give them credit there, they're a top firm on the day no one can deny that for people who don't know the valley parade fire was it 1985 85 yeah 56 people died 56 yeah what happened there so obviously i will one at times i don't really know james but the the story is that um so this the old stand used to be wood and it used to be like full of rubbish underneath so the story is that someone was smoking a cig they dropped it through gap and that lit the fire so i but i've read another book but bradford fans don't like this so i'll probably get shit for this for bringing this book up.

1:00:35But there's another book by a guy who's, he went to the game, we were only a kid, and he lost his brother, his uncle, and his dad. Or if I've remembered that wrong, it were his brother, his dad, and his granddad. So he lost three people. But he's looked into like the chairman's past, who were our chairman then. And like every business he had, he got set on fire and he got an insurance payout for it. So I don't know if that was something to do with it. I want there, so I don't know. But the book has some appealing evidence, but Bradford fans don't like it. so I get a bit upset about it but I think the guy lost three members of his family so if someone's entitled to write a book about it surely it's him but I don't know what about who's your best player for Bradford who's your hero my favourite ever do you know what there's loads I loved Robbie Blake but we've got a player now called Andy Cook and he's probably my favourite to be fair he just scores goals just always scores goals and he's a bit of a lad so yeah and a bit of a boys yeah well I don't know him personally but it just seems like he's a bit of a lad really yeah he's just come back from an injury and he's scored a few since he's come back so he's doing well he's a bit like I think he's from Spennymore you know Jordi's sort of area they're all nuts they're all nice because you've had Dean Wendt Stuart McCall he played with Rangers for nearly 10 years Stuart McCall he's probably our greatest ever player has he?

1:01:51yeah definitely Stuart McCall's English hasn't he but he played for Scotland yeah yeah I think he was on bench for England once and he said that he didn't feel right so they asked him to come on and he said oh I don't feel right so he didn't come on whatever he were in scotland squad i'm sure that's true was that why you lose playing for rangers was that i think he might have been at everton then me but i might be wrong yeah it was ever yeah rangers and then bradford won it but no it was bradford everton rangers then bradford again so he's been manager for bradford twice yeah yeah yeah three times we've had him as manager yeah because i remember a video i don't know if he's got promoted i think he was in top of a car that that was primarily yeah you know something that was his second spell with us as a player when we got promoted to the Premier League and sorry for this Stuart you were a miles better player than you were a manager so was he how hard is that when somebody's a football legend for their club I think Nikoi's done it with Rangers football legend absolutely great great commentator as well went to Rangers done what he could but when he got to the Premier League I think he struggled got sacked and I don't think the fans really turned against him but it's hard when you've been a winner to then when you've got all that Negative attention He doesn't really get That much stick To be fair There's still probably Half our fans That have him back For a fourth time So Because he's just that He's just that loved So yeah Yeah You get 30-40 caps For scoring He's certainly called Great league player Yeah top player I think he scored twice In an FA Cup final Didn't he For Everton I think Did they get promotion To the Premier League In 98 Yeah 99 99 season Yeah And that he'd come back Then that season That he'd left Rangers And come back to us Then we got promoted To the Premier League So And he had like Another two years with us.

1:03:31How do you justify the violence? What, like, how do I justify punching someone else's face? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, nobody's there. Everyone who's there wants to play a part, don't they? I'm not picking on someone innocent. It's all organised fight. We want to beat each other up. So that's how I probably justify it. Maybe I'm wrong. I might be. It's a mad life, though, isn't it? Oh, yeah. Football hooliganism. But is it hard to come away from? Oh, yeah, properly. Because, like, I want a football hooligan just on a Saturday, James. to me I were in the ointment and it were every day a week if if one of my mates had trouble with someone else I had trouble with them or whatever that's it were I were a footballer seven days a week that was my life that came first to me you know what I mean so obviously now I don't have that we don't like because we used to be together every day and I might say once a week now you know what I mean How much does it actually take up with your life?

1:04:28Is it damaging towards relationships and other things with it? but I've split up with every bird I've ever had sorry, what's me? Like, is it so time consuming because there's so many boys it's like a big it's like a little kilt of your own brand, isn't it? Yeah. You're just making sure everyone's alright especially if there's hundreds so I'd imagine it'd be time consuming with everybody's problems and what they're battling and people losing loved ones and getting sacked from jobs. Yeah, it definitely is time consuming but you just like spending time with each other as well, don't you? Like we used to go we'd go to a gym together some of us or do stuff together so I mean listen I've had birds that I love but after spending a full day with them I'm bored to death with them you know what I mean I want to go to see lads what did they say about it not really I don't think I've ever had a bird who liked it yeah I don't think so anyway so even like Football Factory came out on Green Street yeah because you'd have still been relatively young yeah years ago as well did that enhance everything nah because it was still pretty it was still pretty rife then really football violence so no it didn't it probably got a few more young 'uns coming you know because they've seen them films and thought oh I want to do this sort of thing because that that's I think my mum still kicks herself about this because when I was a kid like I said I was terrible at school I wouldn't read any books or like do what like that and she says oh there's a book here that you'll you'll love called Football Factory so I read that book and then I was like oh oh yeah yeah yeah I know what I'm gonna do I'll have been about 14 or something at the time so what was your clothing of choice my favourite ever brand is 100 % at its peak Pollen Shark is that?

1:06:04yeah 100 % when that were at its peak that were the best I think why does people gravitate towards like that or Fila Stone Island is obviously the main hatters but I like to West Ham kind of I don't know why I always related to West Ham like Fila but I don't know if it's because of the football factor in that but it was kind of appealing it was kind of even now you see some of the like zippers and stuff and you go that's pretty cool about it i wouldn't wear it because you i wouldn't want to be associated people would just automatically associate you associate yeah you're a football yeah same as stone island but i've always wore stone island yeah yeah yeah it has got that connection with hooliganism oh definitely i'd say like like you said them two in burberry i'd say they're the big three really where people think football hooligans but do you know straight away who's a hooligan i used to but now everyone at ground dresses like a hooligan so no not now no it used to be like only hooligans dressed like that but everyone seems to dress like that now so what happens when someone runs you'd be out of firm I think if your lads were all getting stuck in and you ran off I've never actually known that happened with us to be fair so quite lucky but I don't think it'd be nice for you if you left say 10 of your mates fighting and you've scarpered off down road I think you'd be in trouble yeah is there any times you've wanted to run but couldn't erm no I think the times I wanted to run I've ended up running because we've all run together so yeah no I don't think so there's times when I've been walking into fights when there haven't been many of us and I've been thinking in my head fuck me we're in trouble here but I can't show that because obviously lads like probably follow me a little bit then so you've got to be trying to build them up saying we can do these we can do them or whatever you know you can't show any fear but yeah loads of times I've been walking in fights thinking oh fuck me we've fucked it here what's the biggest rush before during or after what's the biggest kind of head rush they're all good rushes because walking there you don't know what's going to come I would say for me the violence is the best but the actual fight I do love that but something else I did always love and I were addicted to this when you're in a pub afterwards and people will be saying oh did you see Danny do that oh did you see that I don't know maybe I'm a bit of a show off or something but I always did love that yeah the war stories yeah yeah yeah because that's part of the best bit really when you're on a pub afterwards saying oh did you see me at that guy or that guy punched me in the face a belter or whatever you know what I mean does everybody count on this stuff?

1:08:32not everybody no but a lot used to be but I think like not as much nowadays I haven't touched it for about four years mate so no was it harder to fight drunk or easier? I never used to drink before the game so I'd never drink before the game so after so it's a lot easier to fight when you're sober, I thought. So when you're drunk, you're falling all over and stuff, aren't you? Has anybody ever been too drunk you've said you can't go today? No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think so. No, no. Most people kind of keep themselves right in their head. And like you say, a lot of them are on sniffs so it doesn't show as much anyway even if they're off their head, does it?

1:09:10So you came out for the second time, you've done, what's that, six years in sentences? you've been banned from the ground for eight years what's the process coming out of you thinking okay I need to start making changes I'm getting a bit older when I first come out obviously I would train every day at gym so I'm a lot slimmer than what I am now so I was first thinking make sure you keep up with that which I did, started playing football again that gave me like another buzz playing on a Sunday morning training front week and then just earning money really, that were it but I won't lie I am bored most of the time and I do think, even today I do think, should I go back to it?

1:09:50Sometimes I do think about it, but I just think it's not worth it. What would happen if you get caught again? What do you think? Five at least? An eight possibly? Yeah, that's about some of the guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the biggest sentences. No. I think I've been done for three or four violent disorders as well in two phrase. So if, I mean, I've been locked up on some worse charges I once got locked up on conspiracy to cause violent disorder if I got found guilty on that I'd have been done for but but yeah but I do miss it James you know what I mean I'm not going to lie and sit here and say I don't miss it I do miss it I never it's very sad this I ain't ever found out in my life as good yeah that's mad bro yeah I know it is mad yeah yeah and I've not done bad in my life I've done some alright stuff you know what I mean isn't it mad how it grips you yeah yeah but it's the same I don't agree with wars I don't agree with wars But I still respect The servicemen Who fought in it Yeah yeah yeah Because it's the path That they thought Was right for them At that time Yeah yeah That served them To get out of their Shit of their lives Or to be part of something Yeah Because it's the people Behind the curtain Yeah Who call the shots For these people To go and do bad things And then they struggle With PTSD Because of The things that they've done The same as hooliganism Like when you actually Know people's stories But you've came for a good life You've came for a stable household To end up doing Two sentences Yeah You then still love it There's a good chance That you may end up doing Another couple in your time And I'll get you back on Yeah yeah yeah He's a chance Because it's like It's like an addiction With a smack head I'd probably say It's not I know like We all went to Newcastle Over the week Like about 30-40 of us And I said I was talking outside To one of the older lads That I have a lot of respect for And I was saying Oh I would never now Go ring another firm up And look for it But I said But I don't know what would happen if we walked down the street and they were just walking towards us, you know, if we just bumped into each other.

1:11:46I don't think I'd be able to say no to that. I'm not sure. How much has it changed over the years? A lot now. Yeah, it's a lot now. Like I say, now when you go to a football game now, it's like, it's mental because everyone dresses like a lad and like it's, they're all looking for trouble, but there's not really any trouble. It's a bit strange football. It seems to have gone backwards actually. So it's a bit more like in the 70s now without the violence, But they're all Everybody in the ground Now I'd say it's about 40 % of them Think they're football hooligans When in my day We're like 5-10 % at best You know But we're living in a generation Full of pussies Yeah pussies Absolutely People portray the image Of this Of not just football hooliganism But as many things Where people pretend We're all great pretenders Yeah yeah yeah Everything's social media Everything's for likes And attention 100 % To look pretty And portray an image That's not really you No There's no men No no I'm not saying football hooliganism Is men But you've still got to have a side ball That you've a tear up You know what I'm saying But We're living in a fucking Land full of sissies and pussy Especially Scotland Governments and Everything It's just soft as fuck Is it?

1:12:50What's happening? This was a country of freedom And patriotic People are putting up flags And calling you fucking racist I'm thinking You're Scottish Be proud You're English Be proud People who take down flags That's got to be the worst of the worst No matter who the fuck you are Be proud of your country If I go to any country and see their flags and they go patriotic country they love their people I'm the same as you James I don't get it I don't understand why they're all doing this and how is it racist to have a flag up it's crazy if you're a foreigner of some sort or even an immigrant who's been here for two generations then you've got a problem with that flag to be honest I don't think you should be here obviously what's your issue with it it's our flag so but people don't like the one thing governments don't like is like pride in their own nation like patriots they don't like it yeah it's a joke I'm going to say if I was to go to a country and start complaining about their flag I'd expect to get mask out so no matter if you're in England, Scotland, Ireland Northern Ireland, Wales if you don't respect that flag then fuck off if you don't respect the country go yeah respect the culture respect the people and it's great to have multi-culture it's great to have different people but whatever country you're in you've got to follow their rules and laws and orders and be one of them and integrate to be who they are do you think they do it james because like so basically i don't know some some inner city let's say there's some sikhs there some english there some muslims there that all three of them are always arguing over summer and then they're not really paying attention to the the fact all three of them are getting over really so is that why governments like it because the immigration has gone too far here and everyone could say that i think even immigrants have said gone too far here there's too much now but do they do it because it's easy they think it makes you Easier to control I don't know Is that But it's all Divide in Even football teams That still divide Bradford They're still We're all Something where Everybody's fighting And not asking The bigger questions Of why is They're creating a problem Why are you getting A reaction And they'll find A solution Like it's It's all set up To fail It's all set up To divide in rule Yeah yeah They've got all Us hating on each other When really all humans Are the same Yeah yeah yeah You know I'll always be Outspoken about Illegal immigration I think it's wrong Not just Illegal immigration Has nothing to do with race No no no I always have to repeat that Yeah, yeah, yeah Because people call you racist The Scottish went to New York And Australia And the Irish done it Yeah, yeah, yeah The Polish come here Nobody's asked what colour you are But you must have the right documentation Yeah For us to know who you are In case you commit a crime Yeah Now the UK's went from 9 ,000 rapes a year To nearly 80 ,000 Yeah Something's not right And I'm not blaming all immigrants But We've got enough dickheads It's definitely going to be back Yeah, it's definitely having an effect Yeah, yeah Sweden will tell you this All the patterns and all the stats there So It's the I don't know There's a bigger I think there's a bigger Agenda behind it And I think As the British And English And the Scottish I think we're playing our part In Creating this agenda For the bigger salute Because we're all fighting Everything's a problem Everything's left and right I don't give a fuck About the divide I'll treat people How they treat people Yeah yeah Seek and Muslim Whatever it is I'm not asked I'm not educated enough About religions To have an effect on it Because every Muslim I've met Have been sound Every Christian I've met Have been sound I don't know what to do behind closed doors It's a different ball game But I think we can The media can portray these narratives And really pollute people's minds And we buy into it Yeah, yeah Because it's not fair Because like I say every Muslim I go to Dubai a lot It's an amazing city You know what I'm saying So I can't judge every Muslim I can't judge every Christian Every Jewish man But there is a lot of unrest in the world Yeah, yeah, yeah Definitely I mean, I'm saying I don't judge people on the race or whatever, I've got loads of Muslim mates, but I do think the country has gone too far.

1:16:39The white people are going to end up being a minority here. For me, that ain't right in anybody's native country. It's not right what we did to Native Americans. So I would say, but I think that'll just probably end up happening because unfortunately I'm as guilty as this is anyone else. White people are just bothered about going to football and having a beer, aren't they? that's but they probably don't need to wake up a little bit because i don't think religions can stay in the same country different religions i think because yeah when it becomes too crowded i think then that's when people try and force it yeah yeah yeah we supported bradford you'd want everyone to support yeah yeah i just think we're living in a society where religions there's been many wars over religions for thousands of years nothing's going to change and i just i'm wary about the young lads coming over in boats as well it's like an invasion and there's too many, something needs to just stop just put a hold on it, if you want to work if you want to go and join the British Army for a year, you're willing to do what you want for this country before you get free healthcare and free money and free accommodation go and provide because why have we got our veterans on the street that should not be happening, there should not be one veteran on the street, obviously mental health can play a part but these men died for their country, these men are fighting for their country, these men are willing to do for their country but yet we're ripping down their flag that these men fought for like that is a fucking joke no matter what you say how can you be racist for flying your flag be proud of your colours I'm a fucking true Scots I love my country I've got a flag that's what it's all about do you know what I mean so I do all my work in England the majority of my people are English the majority of people watch my podcast are English because it's more population but you've got to be patriotic from where you're from you've got to abide by your rules and laws and just get by now not everybody As bad Because where I grew up My school was very multicultural as well With a lot of Kosovo And refugees come over From all different places And they were welcome And I'm all for refugees Because fucking the damage That Britain's done Yeah yeah yeah Because they colonise the world And it's only Normal for families To get away from War stricken places Or under Legal immigration Is a different ball game But I don't understand How people can't see The common sense of They're breaking the law Yeah yeah Let's be honest Right If you were a criminal Yeah In another country Yeah And you knew you could go to another country That's a lot richer Probably a bit easier to earn money And you wouldn't even have to take your documents And they'll just put you up in an hotel And you'd go wouldn't you So that might have need sorting out Definitely Because look what they've done in Epping I spoke about it yesterday Yeah yeah The fucking illegal immigrant Touched up a 14 year old girl Yeah yeah Got 12 months The three guys were protesting Against the fucking Pedophile And get two years each Yeah I know They get a bigger sentence I don't Why is that though Is that because They are all noncies Over the world I don't know But there's a lot A lot of it does get swept Under the carpet as well Because they know the uproar They know the British patriots Will fucking make a stand Yeah yeah You know People won't just sit there And that's the scary thing though Are they trying to cause the unrest That's another thing I think Yeah Are they trying to cause the The unease of All these religions And all different colours Where people are hating on each other and it's got it is scary like I say I hate the fucking divide but it's just a bit of common sense okay there's got to be some sort of structure in place yeah yeah you know it's billions of pounds out of taxpayers money yeah to provide for illegal immigrants well who thinks it's a good idea to let someone move here and give them free healthcare I don't they've put nothing into society you're going to end up no wonder NHS don't work I mean I don't know if it'd work even if you stop that I'm not sure I'm not an expert putting it next to schools isn't that yeah yeah you know he's putting them next to schools and that's and young girls are getting groomed and abused and look at the grooming gang scandal for the last 50 years you know I mean I know Sadiq Khan has been covering stuff up yeah it's absolute madness it's scary no no you know that's funny enough I'm actually writing another novel about grooming gangs at the minute but it's when you I've obviously done a bit of like you know reading up on it and stuff but it's ridiculous how many people covered that up it's mental you had that guy on didn't you the asian fella yeah he were really interesting i thought on that he knows his stuff on that definitely yeah saying it's um victims over votes or votes over victim yeah yeah they covered it up to have the big majority of votes yeah yeah to sweep it under the carpet so if you harm my kid for me it's it's the death penalty it's public execution yeah yeah show people we're not standing for that yeah we're accepting it they're trying to if i even think iraq's brought the marriage name, the age I consent for marriage down to like 14 or 15 to 9.

1:21:24Yeah. For 11, like it's fucking sick. That's disgusting. No matter the religion, no matter the country, there should be a world law. Yeah. 16 or 18 for marriage, I believe. Yeah. We're not living 2 ,000, 5 ,000 years ago. This is 2025. Things have changed. Protect our kids. Like how the fuck can you be getting married off at nine years old? It's disgusting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is brutal. That's the lowest to the low and any man who wants that, it doesn't matter what religion they follow. it's just sick behaviour oh yeah and we can accept it because we maybe follow certain religions or whatever that's wrong to me I think we've got to put things in place for a world law you can't get married until you're at least 16 possibly 18 because they're still kids the brain has not fully developed oh yeah no no not even just the brain as well the body at some of them ages you've got to be doing really bad damage to them haven't you at that age it's disgusting yeah it's sick how when it was coming to an end how was that feeling when something you loved something that you've probably only thing when it's the only thing worth living for but it was something you were so passionate about for 20 years how hard was it when it was coming to an end pretty hard but it's just it's a boredom really or sometimes you just miss that like thrill on a Saturday we've just got to try and do something else haven't you like I've got into like walking and hiking and stuff now and I go out on my bike and stuff like that just stuff like it's weird how life changes you know when you can look back do you have any regrets any regrets Obviously going to jail When my dad died yeah I wish I could have I probably could have done Something to get the court case Put back like Another year But I But I didn't think about it At the time But I look back on that now And think Obviously I wish I hadn't Had done it But I wish I hadn't Had been in jail When my dad died That's probably Only regret I have What about the lottery win Talk to me about this How does a football hooligan Then sit in a hotel And then win the lottery So I don't know I'm a lucky bastard James I've always been a lucky bastard So So, I mean, I don't know how I won it.

1:23:21God, obviously, if he is a God, he obviously looked after me, didn't he? So, I mean, that were a thrill, like, I'm not going to lie, that's probably the best thrill I've ever had, knowing they've won a million pound. It was great, absolutely great. How'd that come about? So, I was on holiday, and with my bird, she was getting a shower, and I had a shower and that, So I just thought I'll check my emails, looked at my email, said, oh, you've won on national lottery, on euro millions. And I thought it'll be£2.50, you know, somewhere note. So I got the phone, looked at it and it like comes up in a message at top, oh, you've won this much.

1:24:00And I wasn't really paying attention. I thought, I've won£1 ,000. That's all right,£1 ,000. That's not£1 ,000. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, sorry. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And I must have counted it 10 times, James. And then I was just like, woo. like rick flair i remember i was like rick flair can't do it properly but i was like him bird come running out of the shower what's up with you what's up with you and i'm like i've won lottery i've won lottery she didn't believe me at first like thought i would wind her up you know what i mean but i'm like no i've won a million quid i've won a million quid so absolute like then you've got to ring the number and like give them this code there's like a code message you've got to give them a code and then do you know what i got a bit i shit myself james yeah because i never knew this and I'll give some people some advice here in case they ever win lottery if you're because I won the UK matchmaker sorry I were in Cape Verde at time now if I had put that ticket on in Cape Verde I wouldn't have got paid but because they said that to me oh where did you put the ticket on I goes well it's a standing order so it just you know comes out my bank every month that goes all right that's all right but if you'd have bought the ticket while you were abroad we wouldn't pay you so imagine that imagine if that happened to you so you know if you ever win lottery and you're on holiday don't ring them until you get back so can they see where you put it on I don't know you could obviously put it on in Cape Verde if it's a UK lottery but people could maybe put it on online yeah yeah yeah that's what I'm saying because I just had it online but it was like a standing order so it'd come out of my bank account say every month to cover my numbers was that a lucky debt?

1:25:28no no I had the same numbers always had the same numbers and it'd come up but obviously one of the numbers that come up you get like a code don't you on that UK matchmaker like once a week and with a code that come in I always thought the lottery Was full of shit I always thought Nobody wins it Yeah yeah I always said I'd win it as well I don't know why I've always been lucky I'm very lucky So Like I've always had like King Myers Who used to touch stuff And turn stuff to gold Yeah pretty lucky like that So when you win the lottery What's the What's the rules and regulations Do you get tax on it No no tax You get a million pound In your bank In your bank How fast Because obviously I was on holiday And they said Oh I was still had another 10 days there or something i said you might as well stay on holiday and then when we come back we'll sort it out but then there were a bit of messing about with bank account as well so it probably took me about three weeks to a month but i know it would be quicker for other people i had a few fucks i fucked a few things up but yeah when was this so that was uh april the 12th 2022 oh yeah i would have been thinking because it's only a few years ago you see these people in vans and they've got a scratch card and it's the fake ones they're scratching it and they've won 100 I would have been looking at that April thinking April Fools is just not so far past I would have been thinking this is a wind up obviously you do think that I was still thinking in my head is this like someone acting to the lottery app and just you know picked out a random bloke and played the right trick on them but no I never believed I was getting it until it went in my bank account I was still thinking something's going to happen they're going to not give me this money you know even though they they were great to deal with lottery I have to be honest they were really good to deal with I always had it in my head oh something's going to go wrong here something's going to go wrong then I got the money like Did you ever think that maybe they wouldn't have given you because you were in prison for religionism or anything?

1:27:21No but I did think I wonder if anyone ever sells a story on me but that's never happened you know like someone from Pass I've done something to I thought I wonder if anyone but it's never happened to me that luckily Was it in the papers? No no I kept it quiet no brother you're not Tim probably yeah no I came like pretty I think lottery knew that I'd been in jail but it's not it's not a rule that you can been in jail and play lottery yeah just in case that people can be bastards yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah what a thrill that is the only problem with that is like it's another thrill that I think it'd be I'd fucking love to do that again you know like so but are you a gambler?

1:28:00yeah but I like a gambler so you're a pro seeker yeah definitely yeah I like a gamble Tell me this You've won a million pounds In the lottery Yeah Would you give it up If Bradford could win the league Premier league Premier league So they get to play Champions League Ooh It's close And it's very selfish But no I won't No I won't No No Look after yourself Yeah 100 % Look after myself Yeah definitely So what was late Late then When you won the million quid Did anything change Yeah Yeah I like I didn't really know What to do with myself For a bit I had some weird feelings like I didn't really deserve it it's a bit of a strange thing you know and like then you obviously I moved away I put some money into a couple of businesses here and there and then I just concentrated on writing books I always wanted to write the novel and I thought we've got perfect chance now just so I did that but then like I don't know it's a strange feeling because you don't know what to do really you know what I mean you can do what you want but But like, so I went travelling for a bit.

1:29:01I got one of them train tickets that goes around Europe, you know, and you can get on and off wherever you want for three months. But after that, I will border that, you know what I mean? Even though it's great going, looking at all these different cities, but after like, there's only so many cathedrals and museums you can see, isn't there? Before you think, fucking I want to do something else. Did you ever think about joining a family and just going and went to their games? Yeah, that did cross my mind, yeah. I'm not going to lie, but I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I did go to a lot of games, so I was going to like games and just watching different football because I do, like there's a bit of a myth that footballers are not football fans.

1:29:33I do really enjoy football, you know what I mean? So I went to Paris, Juventus, went to Milan Derby, went to Marseille. I'd always wanted to go to a Marseille game. So yeah, loads of stuff like that. You've never been to an old firm? No, I've never been. It's on my list, yeah. It's different. Yeah, yeah. It's different. Yeah. So it's different for your Yes Barca's and Real Madrid's It's different from like Your man-yous and man-cities Like there's just You can feel the fucking hate Yeah yeah Feel the atmosphere Like there's always Select Rangers fans Are top 10 Probably best fans in the world Oh Under the sink Yeah yeah yeah Like they deserve to be in Yeah The English leagues They deserve to be a British league I'd love to see it happen I'd love to see it happen But I think the problem with it is Is that all the clubs Probably say like us Bradford I'd say If that's going to happen And we've got to get up there first So They'd make you start On fourth division To just come up And I think that'd be alright But It'd be fun like Wouldn't it if you were A certainly called Redges at that extra boost Yeah yeah It'd be good for the Scottish economy It'd be great for so many reasons And I think It'd be good to see Where Celtic Rangers are They don't get the players Because they've not got the funding I think just being in the Premier League You're getting 150 million Yeah yeah A year And nobody You're playing against your fucking No disrespect to the teams But your Kilmarnocks And you're going up to Dundee's And when you could be playing at Old Trafford.

1:30:54Do you know what I'm saying? It's a different, it's more lucrative for players to want to play with you. 100%. I don't think it'd take long either if Rangers and Celtic were in Premier League for, let's say, five, six years. The money, they'd soon be big players, I think, in Premier League. You know, with money they could earn because they're massive clubs, aren't they? Do you ever go on holiday and not see a Celtic or a Rangers shirt wherever you are? Because you've not just got Scotland, you've got Ireland. No. You've got a lot of the Americans. Yeah, yeah. They've got support all around the world.

1:31:21Bradford Is the only people From Bradford Do you know what I'm saying Celtic are global Rangers are global Yeah yeah And they fucking hate For each other It's a beautiful thing And I always say it That's what makes it What it is If you ever had that hate You go to your rival games And you hate them But it's the biggest buzz Of the day Because there is a hatred And you know You've got one up on someone You win You've got the messages You've got social media You've got family Texts It's a big day And a big excitement your team beats a rival 100 % if you work together or whatever you've got bragging rights haven't you until the next until the next game it's brilliant the South Americans look crazy though I'd like to go to a few games over there I would yeah I would yeah Brazil I'm interested in and Colombia they're the two that I think I'd like to go there their fans look nuts yeah yeah so they do a bit of the Midland Derby what was that like good really good so it were Inter's home game because they play at the same ground so it were Inter's home game and I have to say it was one of the best atmospheres I've ever been to I do not really care for either team But I probably leaned more to AC Milan Before that day But the atmosphere at Inter fans Was just fucking brilliant Yeah so I probably prefer Inter now I used to love Italian football Yeah I used to watch it every Sunday You had Channel 4 I think it was Yeah I remember like Batistuta And George Yeah yeah yeah Like I always loved the Italians I always loved their team I always had a soft spot for Juventus So obviously I went to a game Yeah yeah Zidane, David I always liked Inzaghi People didn't like him zagging But I always liked him Goal scorer He ended up going to AC Milan Yeah he did Yeah he did well there as well Yeah I think he won the Champions League Yeah he did Yeah he did He did A lot of his forces He used to be But big McTominay And young Gilmore's went too Flying at Napoli Yeah And he just looks different His glow up is different Yeah yeah yeah He just looks trendy He's got the Slick back hair Nice I've seen that He's at Wimbledon Yeah yeah Boy he looks like a big fucking model Yeah yeah yeah He's just The Italians are smooth Yeah very They're very They're very smooth They dress They're well They look well And you can see The difference already Yeah And Manuel should have Never let him go No no no For all they've got His fucking mouth's Better than what they've got No And they were still Banging in gold Yeah well yeah So after all that then Like how's life now Goes all young man Yeah yeah yeah I'm 41 I'm 41 Yeah yeah Really good Like I've got myself In a good place I've Written this novel I've written the follow up To this novel And then I'm halfway through Another novel So or my life's like, I'm young, but I'm probably like an old man now.

1:33:51I get up in the morning train, right for however many hours it takes me, like 2 ,000 words a day I try and do, or a minimum 1 ,000, and then I'll go to the gym and cycle about, stuff like that. Maybe take a bird out or something like that on the night. That's it, really. Pretty chilled out life. It's fucking boring as fuck, though, but yeah, it's nice, though. It's a nice life. Did you buy that bod then, if I'm worth the million? Yeah, she got some money, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she'll win me at time Won't she So we had a good few years To give her So I think we're alright At least you win it When you're with her Yeah yeah yeah You know it's a different Ball game when they come Walking Yeah yeah Yeah yeah Because I'm thinking I'm going through it When it comes to money When you start doing well You start questioning people Who come into your life Yeah definitely You know When you eat well And you do nice things Yeah People can see it Yeah So you don't know What their agenda is And because we live in a world Where a lot of people Do struggle You then question what's their narrative what's their agenda behind it you know did you question it 100 % James I don't think I'll ever settle down me now with a bird because I don't I don't I don't see the like the worth in it because I could be with her and then one day she decides oh I don't want to be with you no more and she can take half your shit so I think fuck that I'm not going to do it I don't think it's any I'd love to have kids but then I think if she started stopping me seeing kids or someone else were putting pictures up on the Instagram with my kids I wouldn't like it so yeah we're living that day and age where everything's dangerous yeah it's dangerous especially with social media everybody's a fucking social media detective now and you've got people just spread false information and people then use it as collateral to try and yeah damage your reputation and it's just the way where it is you know but yeah it's a good thing kids as well maybe give you some purpose as well you know it changes everything yeah yeah having kids it's fucking hard work though bro no but it is but I thought I might do what Ronaldo did and pray like for a surrogate mother or something I might do that but you can't do it in England you're not allowed can you not no no you're not allowed for someone to carry you're too yeah carry it you're not allowed to do it yeah and how does that work I don't even know I just once thought oh I remember thinking about Ronaldo I thought I wouldn't mind a couple of sums I'll look into this and I looked into it and you're not allowed to do it in Britain I'd have to go abroad to do it I'd rather just meet a nice bird though and settle down but well you're going to struggle bro yeah I know mate I've not met that many nice ones in my life listen I'm not seeing me old saints no no me times have changed oh yeah yeah yeah like women don't really and I'm not speaking for every woman so women don't bite my head off here but there's no really, there's not much elegance and men aren't gentlemen either both are confused, both are struggling and there's no family commitments anymore and there was a saying I'd watched something like men would give up their happiness for their family but women would give up their happiness for their family for their happiness and I thought makes quite sense because you look at some of the men who's been cheated on like Fucking Totty Played for Dominic Brady I think Curry who was The basketball player These guys Are elite athletes At the top of their game And yet the women Are fucking shagging The tennis coaches And other things And I think These men are Multi-millionaires Good looking guys Respectable And yet the women Are still cheating on them You look at the biggest Movies in the world As well You've got The Notebook The biggest love movies In the world The Notebook Titanic Both women were cheating Yeah yeah yeah She's getting shagged In the back of a car With a homeless man Like a man's a multi-millionaire Up the stairs And I'm not saying That's the answers But we promote these movies As love movies The Notebook as well She's met a man She's fell in love with him She's getting married And she's back and shagged her ex Yeah no Yet we think these movies are great But We're living in a world Where we can portray an image That's normal That's wrong Yeah yeah And it's mad to think that Yeah yeah The Titanic She's getting shagged In the back of a car With a homeless man but yeah everybody's feeling sorry for that she's a fucking cheating cow yeah yeah yeah you bang right bang right so the book talk to me about the book do you have to get any permission from any of your elders or anything or no obviously just like out of respect even for some lads who are younger than me I said listen I'm writing a novel because my plan is to like hopefully write six in that series of it so it'll go from like the characters at football and then there'll be other sides of it some of them will be selling drugs or whatever stuff like that.

1:38:11So, but I just asked them all saying, listen, have you got a problem if I put your name in it? It'll probably never be your full name. It'll just be like, either like, obviously my best mate Bungle or Spiller. They've got nicknames anyway, you know what I mean? So it doesn't bother them. But everyone was down with it. They were all pretty happy really. Like, you put my full name in it, put my address in it, you know what I mean? Bungle? Bungle is called. Where does that name come from? Do you remember Magic Roundabout? Yeah the show Was it Bongo? The Rainbow? Yeah he looked like that That teddy bear Yeah He looked like that He just threw my Very hard lad Very hard lad Yeah Was there any men From other firms Who you really respected?

1:38:55Yeah loads Loads Like because All of them got stuck in Didn't they? So yeah So you respect everyone Anyone who has a fight Yeah yeah Anyone We're all the same really Aren't we? Yeah What makes a good football hooligan? hmm you'd have to be game wouldn't you definitely you'd have to be game and then loyal really i'd say that and yeah they're the two main things i'd say game and loyal yeah the day of the boys struggle with mental health or anything oh loads yeah loads have struggled with that loads have struggled with that i'm a bit old-fashioned though with that i just think like get on with it not get on with it but i don't i think everyone has struggles with mental health i always think and I think a lot of people confuse mental health we're getting off their head every weekend that's a different thing stop getting off your head and start training or doing something that you enjoy and then if you're still struggling maybe you have got mental health but if you're getting off your head on gear every week and then waking up on a Monday feeling sorry for yourself is it mental health or you're just fucking feeling sorry for yourself because you've had gear all weekend you need to stop the things that make you do that don't you I think if you're depressed train that'll make you feel better yeah the natural chemicals in it yeah yeah or make some money that them two things that them two things will make you feel better and if you're still depressed after that then i don't know maybe speak to a doctor i don't know but i think a lot of people play that but i sound harsh here but a lot of people play that mental health card when really they're just getting off their head every weekend that's that's what's making you depressed because you're not doing all better with your life how do you think how do you think that english firms would come up against the Polish and the Russians now because they all seem to be trained MMA they all seem to be fit and healthy do you think they would still give a good account of themselves?

1:40:36Yeah I think they'd still be pretty game yeah I mean English boys are always game yeah yeah yeah yeah same for Scottish sort of affairs Scottish side as good a firm as England I always thought but I think both would still do quite well but they trained fighters aren't they you'd have to think they'd win in end wouldn't you I'd probably get some stick off of all lads for saying that but some of them are proper fucking Muay Thai experts and that aren't they so yeah you'd have to say they'd probably have to get better at fight wouldn't they but if we train like them we'd be the same wouldn't we surely yeah what about when you went with England what was the international teams like was any you come up against Italy or Germany er oh everybody's good when you go to their place I'd probably say but again at our place never really not really very good no not Not seen many.

1:41:29Scotland have brought mobs before and obviously Wales have brought locals. But I've not really seen any good Europeans in England. Never seen it. Have I? No, I've never seen it. Celtic fans went to Amsterdam, Ajax, but they were using knives in Shipman. And they were terrorising people who were just there to watch the game, the dirty bastards, you know? Yeah. Very good. Again, they're very good, but they do like knives and stuff like that. And over recent years, they have come to England. but obviously I won't I won't involve then so I've not seen it personally I've just seen it on news How do you think it would have been if you were in the Champions League and that?

1:42:03Would you have been buzzing? Fucking brilliant yeah yeah brilliant I think I think like I mean we've got a good reputation anyway but if we were playing teams like in Europe every week we'd have firms out every week yeah it'd have been fucking ace wouldn't it? I'd have loved to have done that still on my bucket list now to see Bradford in Europe I don't know if I'll ever see it but it'd be nice to see But look with Bournemouth and Brentford and that it can be done can't it Wigan won an FA Cup Nottingham Forest Nottingham Forest are a massive club yeah yeah yeah but I heard their boys are good yeah very good Forest boys yeah another team another firm I'd say is underrated I don't think I've ever played them and they've not had a firm not brought a firm to Bradford really good firm executive crew very good firm so were you happy with the book were you happy with the first novel no I wasn't I was still thinking in my head oh it should be better this and I've probably spent about two years messing about with it when really I could have just gone it out I even got a ghost writer in to go over it and then I didn't like I didn't like his style because he doesn't write like he's from Bradford you know what I mean and I want that book to come across like it's me so then I got ready I called it a day with him and just did it myself again you know I probably could have had that book out two years ago really but I proper second guess myself now I'm really happy with it because people have read it and have sold quite a few copies already and like I've had a reviewing local paper saying it's a great book and stuff so now I'm over at moon but I'll be honest I second guessed it For way too long Yeah Bradford's wild I know a couple of Asian guys there They're in for murder But this was A few years back But they were Fucking nuts Oh yeah Nut cases Yeah It is proper place So is Leeds I've got a lot of time For Leeds as well I'm a good friend Of Josh Warrington And I went to His couple of fights In Leeds Yeah And what an atmosphere That Leeds fans bring Yeah yeah yeah I'll give them that They can bring a great atmosphere Great atmosphere They're a big Club law Leeds Massive club Massive club Yeah they ran right They ran right It's in the 90s Yeah yeah yeah They're a massive club lead When they had Alan Smith Fuduka Who was it Remember the boy At the bar Inside the bars Amacaccio Oh yeah yeah yeah Was he Leeds Everton in one of them And who was the guy From Leeds Oh Yuboa Tony Yuboa Tony Yuboa Yeah yeah yeah Fucking two belters From outside I always remember those goals I think some of the best goals In Premier League history Yeah definitely I'd agree with that side of the bar yeah so what's the plans for Brad if he's got anything in the pipeline can you see he's getting himself in the premiership in three to five years well I'd hope so yeah because we got promoted last year and then now we're in league one we're near top of league one and we've probably played about 12 games now we've not played anyone and I thought oh their mouth's better than us so I think we could get promoted this season which would be great because we're a well supported team I mean we've been selling out at home which is 23 ,000 24 ,000 there's a lot of fans innit there's a lot of fans do you think if you went into the Premiership you could get back involved again it's always a chance you want to incriminate yourself I don't want to incriminate myself but at the same time it is always something that will always be with me it will always be with me like if I seen if we played Leeds or something it'd be very hard to stay at home Mo Will next season yeah yeah yeah they might go to the Premier League though I would have seen Mo Will win the Premier League just because of who they are like I say I know a couple of lads And they're spot on one But It's eh I would like to see them And because Because they're a massive name I think the movies Betray them as a massive name As well It'd be great to see them In Premier League And they've been close The last few seasons Like close to getting in playoffs Like one of my mates Who I'm really close With probably closest Of other firms He's a Millwall And a Rangers lad Scottish lad And Graham he's called He I speak to him regularly And like last few years They've been very close To getting up there and I said to him you keep knocking on the door you'll get there eventually and I'd love to see it I'd love to see Millwall like Premier League might even go I never go with other firms but I might just call down for one of them games Is there many people ever been hospitalised?

1:46:03Oh yeah yeah yeah there's bad stuff that happens isn't there but like bottles yeah bottles or like a brick I've got a scar there where someone was through a brick and it hit me on the head yeah that were a bit of bad luck that wasn't it so yeah Probably due a bit of bad luck though But yeah, stuff like that You get hospitals sometimes But nothing I've ever been involved in I've never heard of anyone dying or up like that, no What do you think about the people who kind of Turn their nose down at it and kind of Yeah, that's bad and they're just hooligans They're just causing trouble They're entitled to their opinion, aren't they?

1:46:41Yeah, you know Who am I to say that I'm right? I don't know You just go through life and do what you think's best for yourself, don't you? I don't know But I don't really give a shit what they're doing, so I don't care what they care about me for. It's a bit of a sweet to be sometime. Yeah, yeah. Plans for the future, brother? More novels. What sort of novels, though? So, obviously, I've got plans for to do six in the, like, hooligan series about Bradford that'll be totally crime. I do have plans to do one of them as, like, about some Asian lads because I don't really think anyone's ever done that.

1:47:15So I thought one of them I'm going to break off and do something like that. and then I've got some other novels in my mind and then obviously the biggest dream is really like a Netflix or Amazon to come in and say oh we think this has got a bit of life this and turn it into a TV series but I don't know if that'll happen but that's the goal yeah you never know anything's possible you say you've got that luck about you yeah yeah yeah you never know I don't know if two prison sentences James it could have been a lot worse it could have been a lot worse I like your kind of method of thinking behind that so the follow up then to the book yeah and then what other books have you got any people in so in that series I plan to do six that is like loosely based on my life one of the characters loosely based on me then other characters on my friends and then I've done one about a grooming like grooming gangs in Manchester I'm like halfway through that and I think that'll be two books as well and then I've I'll be honest with you James I've got absolutely loads in my mind I think I've got like a weird mind because someone will say something to me and I think oh you could do that as like a story you know what I mean so I don't know I think the end goal in my life, if I've written 20 novels, I'll be happy with that.

1:48:22Good on you. Yeah, yeah. At least you've got some purpose. Yeah, yeah. You know, not just some failed old fucking football hooligan who just worked on anything with his life, you know. That's the thing, James, that I always think, right, and I don't know if I'll ever do it, but you know, I said earlier, I've never found out better in my life than that. I always think like, when I die, I don't want that to be the best thing. I don't know why, I just don't want it to be the best thing. I want to have done stuff Like More than that You know what I mean Yeah but everybody's got The potential to do more Yeah definitely yeah It's just some people Don't see anything bigger No no The area they're in Yeah yeah People just Willently love Fight and die For their team Or their country Or whatever People just They don't see The wider horizons They don't see that Life is bigger But again Some of these people Are probably happier Than me and you You've won the lottery I've got a successful podcast But yeah we're still Crying like a couple Of little bitches You know what I'm saying Blowning and complaining And people What is it what the two picks wanted for?

1:49:17Yeah, yeah. Give me a positive and a negative about being a football hooligan. Best friends I've ever had. Still my friends today. They do all for you. Always stick by you. And the negative is obviously going to jail and like having... It's not personally for me. It's more what it did to my family. You know, like my mum, my dad, my sisters, you know, my brother, whatever. Niece and nephew. They're the negatives, aren't they? Like ruining other people's lives. Yeah, there's always going to be pros and cons of everything you do. There's always going to be things where you think, nah, I should have maybe done that differently.

1:49:52Yeah. You know, but that's life. It's full of ups and downs. It's just, this is just a story. This is a novel. This is, we're the authors of it. Yeah. They're like, you can actually write what we want to do in life. You know, and what you put in pen and paper can be the exact same what you put externally into your own process of what you want to achieve in life. Yeah, definitely. Does therapy help? there's the writing kind of therapy for you yeah yeah it gives me an occupation like a something to do and then like do you know like when i finished that first novel and you like look back at it like i finished two now the second one's already finished and you like look back at it it's like such a buzz you think i've just made a whole world there basically you know like a little world so it's as replaced like the buzz yeah and where can people buy your book again yeah paperback you can buy it on troubadour it will be coming out on amazon but i don't know what that'll be on 28th of november but you can buy it now on troubadour and then the ebooks you can buy it anywhere like is it google amazon apple they all do it don't it's everywhere on ebook brussels clean up nicely at sweet green maple glazed roasted and edges perfectly caramelized sweet greens fall harvest is back on the menu and the season's most overlooked little green vegetable is dressed to be devoured you know what to do order on the sweet green app Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body relax, and let go of whatever you're carrying today.

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1:52:01Good, good I was nervous but I feel alright Listen, you smashed it Listen, you're a good guy I wish you nothing but the best I hope your book absolutely smashes it I hope your series and books and they all go on to Netflix and do whatever you can but you've got the luck and you've got the luck here I think my brother listen to you I wish you nothing but the best for the future would you like to finish up on anything else? No I think that's it there I think we covered it all there just thanks a lot James I really appreciate that yeah anytime yeah good luck with the book we'll leave the link in the description for people to go and buy it yeah like I say brother I wish you nothing but the best for the future sorted thanks again I'll come back when I'm making a Netflix series forward to it bro sorted Bye-bye.