The Great Reset Is Coming: Rob Moore Reveals How to Survive the Collapse

34:50Rob Moore:I have, yeah. I think about this a lot. Because my son is 14, my daughter's 11. So they're coming into sort of quite important ages for that. You know, maybe 10 years ago, I wanted to change the school system. Like quite a lot of entrepreneurs do. Fucking naive. As if I can change the school system. You know, I think I can do things. But why does the school system care? And if it wanted to teach better financial education, it would. And why do the banks want you to learn how to be smart with your money? They just want you to take all their credit cards and loans and be in debt for the rest of your life.

35:27Rob Moore:So I decided to set up my own school. So I have my own school. It's called Money.School. 13 ,000 members at the moment. And my goal is to have 200 ,000 members by 2030. And inside Money.School, we help people make, manage and multiply more money. And one of the ways I'm helping with generational wealth is I've got a 15-part series. on Money School for Kids. So I've interviewed 27 billionaires on my show Disruptors. You know, as you become more wealthy, as you know, and as you become more well-connected with your show, you meet really fucking interesting people who are really fucking smart. And you know when the cameras are off, the things you talk about.

36:09Rob Moore:So over the last 15 to 20 years, my journey of going from 50 grand in debt to, you know, hundreds of millions, I suppose, in sales. and then all the people I've interviewed, I know the 12 fundamental laws of money that we should be teaching in schools, that they are never going to teach in schools as long as the banking system has some input into what you learn in schools. So it's in money.school. There's a series, if you like, a degree in it without being official for kids and then there is one for adults. Because for me, I'm not planning just to say to my son and daughter, there you go, There's the thousand properties I bought and built in my life.

36:52Rob Moore:They're yours. I mean, that's why generational wealth only lasts two or three generations. Because the biggest curse ever is to give someone money without the knowledge and the experience and the hustle and the pain. That's why every lottery winner goes fucking bust in two or three. You should have one on your show. That would be a great episode. They all go bust within two or three years. Yeah, I've been trying to get. Like, Carol won. He won the nine million. Yes. Yeah, and he's fucked it all. Yeah, but they all do. It's a curse. Money without knowledge is a curse. Everything without knowledge is a curse because everything has an upside and a downside.

37:36Rob Moore:So I will not be giving my kids, they will not be inheriting, you know, my businesses and my empire and all my properties. They will be learning how to make, manage, and multiply money. They have to go into money.school, like every other of my 13 ,000 members, and go and study the modules. And I try and gamify it and make it fun. So, you know, I say, look, if you consume all 13, I'll pay you 100 quid. We'll do a quiz. If you can get the five questions right, I'll give you a couple of silver coins. You know, from age like three, I taught them with any money that they got, save a third, invest a third, spend a third.

38:13Rob Moore:when I used to take my kids to the cinema and get them a bit of a pick and mix I'd take five sweets and then give them the bag what are you doing that's called tax they already know at age three that when they earn their first money they are not getting it all because there's going to be tax so you know if you if you learn I got my my son was one of the best golfers in the world age three four five six so we'd count and do money with with golf balls and you know with his putts so I think with young kids you want to make learning about money fun what I'm doing is trying to help as many people on this planet get better financial knowledge through money school and and all my content and interviewing all the billionaires so you interviewed 26 billionaires I've interviewed three not one of them are happy not one and you think it's free then yeah I was just about to say that in your experience of 26 what do you think is their ingredient to keep going to keep striving, to keep trying to make money and create businesses, what do you think their ingredient is?

39:13Rob Moore:So I actually wrote a piece on this, the 19 habits and traits of billionaires, because there isn't really one. So I've heard this myth that, you know, oh, I know 10 billionaires and they're all unhappy. Well, I was interviewing Sarinda Aurora, who owns most of Heathrow, all those massive hotels. um he's a billionaire and he seemed pretty happy to me uh david mccourt seems pretty happy to me and by the way i know loads of unhappy broke as fuck people so i haven't made that assumption or that um distinction that billionaire equals unhappy what i can say though is when you're broke you have broke people's problems when you're a millionaire you have millionaires people's problems and when you're a billionaire you have billionaires people's problems so i used to think, well, I'll become a millionaire.

40:04Rob Moore:I'll have no fucking problems. I just had more expensive problems, but I also have more luxury. So for example, I'm fast track at the airport. Like it's actually not that expensive and people only really think about doing it when they're rich, but that is just one of the best things to not queue at the fucking airport. So money is convenience you know being able to go on uber oh i can have the exec and i can sit in the back and i've got wi-fi and i can work while i'm on the way to anything goes with james english instead of the stinky fucking dirty uber x so money is convenience and money makes your life easier but when you're a billionaire they come and try and kidnap your kids because they ain't going to kidnap the kids of a zero air because there's no ransom to be paid so they only do it with billionaires so billionaires have bigger fucking problems um the commonality i can tell you and we said this before we went on um mission so every billionaire i've met big fucking mission like probably global mission like elon musk's got an intergalactic mission you know you speak to someone who's just got a normal job.

41:21Rob Moore:What's their mission? Go to work. Just make sure I pay my mortgage. Do enough so my wife doesn't leave me for a billionaire. But you talk to billionaires, you know, this billionaire Surinder I was talking to yesterday. I'm a dreamer. I've always got big dreams. And he said, I love being David and fighting against Goliath. So at the moment, he's taking on Heathrow Airport. Heathrow Airport obviously own Heathrow Airport and they have a monopoly of Heathrow Airport. And he's trying to get the tender for the new runway. Well, it's Heathrow Airport and he's Surinderer all right he's a billionaire but he's a little minnow compared to the Goliath of Heathrow but he loves fucking taking them on so the commonalities the two commonalities there's 19 but the two ones I see in all the ones I've met it's not that they're happy or unhappy because actually you could ask me if you want to later is happiness even the purpose of life i don't think it is mission and like let's fucking go for the big players you know david versus goliath that's what i see what's the biggest sacrifice because to become the top of your craft there comes massive sacrifice it takes a lot of time with no family kids and i think the man should be leaving the sort of blueprint of how to be successful but also it's important to be a dad and be around you probably had that with your own dad working all the time you're stuck in the room drinking coca-cola eating crisps but what's their biggest sacrifice what comes with major success like that and major money what was their biggest sort of sacrifice they need to give up to create that wealth yeah again i think they have different answers um you know if you ever had your family kidnapped as a billionaire i think you're going to say that.

43:09Rob Moore:Some of them, you know, maybe they have absenteeism from their children. Elon Musk doesn't seem to give a fuck. He's had more kids with more women than you have. So it's 12 or 13. Yeah, I think it's 14 kids. And it's, you know, like... This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen? Snacks? A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started.

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44:30Rob Moore:so he's obviously on a different mission um so they're different like i'm gonna say what i think is the biggest sacrifice um the successful people have to make it is the ridicule and judgment of the masses that's what i think is the biggest sacrifice like if you're not well known and if you're not wealthy and successful and making a big difference You can go home and have your normal life and not get recognized in the street and have no haters. And, you know, you can be kind of comfortable and hide away from conflict. And that's all warm and fluffy, isn't it? When you're a billionaire, there's no hiding from that.

45:15Rob Moore:When you're a massive podcaster like you, there's no hiding from that. When you're, you know, the most successful footballer in the world, there's no hiding from that. you know, Ronaldo, one of the best footballers that's ever lived, but still got a billion people who hate on him because Messi is better. Oh, fucking sorry. Sorry, you think Messi is better than me. What difference are you making in the world? Oh, you're just a troll with a fake profile and you cannot be successful without loads of trolls, loads of haters, legal cases, people trying to take you down everyone wants to take you down and that's the sacrifice you have to make and that's billionaire millionaire and you know successful podcaster i'm sure you've experienced it so 35 you've gone through you're starting to make tens of millions you says that was a time where you started to not appreciate it but understand it more why that age why did it take you so long um well i've done a lot of work and i work yeah so i think um i like to call it investing in myself because I don't know inner work sounds a bit wanky I've done the inner imagine you're going on a first date just to let you know I've done the inner work I'm like right you're paying the bill I'm out of here um so I've invested a lot of time and money into myself to take full responsibility to go it's not my ex's fault it's not my mum's fault my dad's fault the government's fault, Labour's fault, although I'd argue that.

46:47Rob Moore:It's my fault. But it's not my fault because I'm doing the best I can. It's my responsibility. And I'm human, which means I try things and I fail. And if I don't try, I never fail, but I never succeed. So I've got to keep trying. And because I'm human, I'm going to fail. And the more successful I get, the bigger my failures are in front of more people. And that's OK, because that's my job and that's my mission. as a man. And these are all the things I started to learn and understand. Do you know one of the best ways to get good personal development and do the inner work? Start a company. Because everything you need to learn about life, you learn in a company.

47:30If you go and gob off, people ask for refunds.

47:34Rob Moore:Like you can gob off to your exes and you can gob off on social media and you can not really have much consequence. You can be a twat to people and then just go and find a new bunch of friends. And then you can be a twat to them and go and find a new bunch of friends. And you can kind of get away with it. But if you're a twat to your customers, they go, give me my five grand back. And then they one star review you and then they go and put it online everywhere. Alternatively, if you care about them, help them, support them, are patient with them, you deliver well for them, then they're happy, then they refer other people, then you make more money.

48:09Rob Moore:So, like, most people actually now need to start a fucking company because one salary is not enough. And banks now make you and your wife take a mortgage. Dual household income, which I think is a massive scam, by the way. You talk about what the Rothschilds did 100 years ago and, you know, the man's working. Oh, now the woman's working. Okay, so who's looking after the children? Two people working means double taxation. double money for the government, double people to lend to get interest from banks. No one looking after our future generation of children, our parenting being outsourced. This is all really bad.

48:53Rob Moore:So running a business and running a portfolio and having tenants, having staff and having people set up in business against you and going through lawsuits and winning most and losing a couple and all of this. it's the that's how i think at age 35 i really started to go do you know what um what they hate about me is great about me what i hated about myself i can love about myself and and then all the sort of baggage i had from being young everyone has baggage about being young you you might know this the founder of alcoholics anonymous was a fucking alcoholic you know i'm not starting that because I can't really relate because I'm not an alcoholic.

49:36Rob Moore:So actually, your pain and your baggage and your trauma, you can use that to do a lot of good in the world and get fucking rich if that's your goal. Or, you know, you can just hate yourself. Yeah. But I think it's important because you'll see it. I wasn't fucking on heroin or crack, but you see people who have changed their life and maybe post that they've come off of heroin and doing well. You'll see people slaughtering these people in the comments. But I've seen one guy post just god forbid i hope your kid doesn't eventually find this addiction because i'll be the guy who tries to help him get off it and then apologized and like that was a few years ago i says that he says that and i thought well done yeah you know like never you can't judge anybody you can't judge the fat kid you can't judge the addict there's someone who's had no money you've had no money i've had no money like it's just you never know what's around the corner people have certain things ingrained in them that can fucking they can have that seed where it just grows and grows and grows when it doesn't stop when were you ever emotional coming from that sort of bullied lonely fragile bed wetter to then doing well and then did you ever think when you've got all your because i know you're a big fan of your cars and your watches did you ever feel emotional when you started having all that or did you just feel like an anger because of what you went through as a kid to just keep going but how was the thought process in that yeah so definitely when i started there was an anger and i remember seeing my old school friends three and five years later one by one and then bloody hell rob you've done really well you know blah blah and i just like felt so good about that um and i also remember talking to them about school and they're like oh i didn't really think anything of you being fat oh i didn't know you were going through all those emotions so they didn't even fucking know kids are just like oh you're a fat fuck see you later yeah you know and So I probably made it a lot worse in my own head than it actually was.

51:35Rob Moore:Because you know it was true as well. At the end of the day now, if someone says to me, oh, Rob, you're a bit fucking gobby. Yeah, I can be. What am I going to do? Get upset? Are you wearing a back brace? Yeah, people comment on all this stuff. Well, yeah, it does look like a back brace. Yeah, it does look like a gun holster. So what? Yeah, you're right. like here's the thing i know about when people judge you they're not judging you they're coming from their own like if if i hate on you because you've got a great podcast it probably just means i'm jealous or or i thought about a podcast once but i didn't have the balls to start one or you're making me uncomfortable mister because um you're putting yourself out there and you're doing well and I'm scared.

52:26Rob Moore:So I actually, I used to have a lot of anger about stuff like that. And I want to be like, fuck you. I'm going to be successful. I'm fucking, you're going to look at me and go, yeah, fucking look at Robbie successful. That doesn't drive me anymore. I have empathy for people. Like you said, everyone's going through shit, everyone. And I imagine a lot of people are going through worse shit than me. I still have my children. some people in war-stricken countries don't have their children anymore i have my children i'm fucking lucky i've got it good so if i'm going to get distracted or cry like a bitch because a couple of people without a fate a photo on their social media is trolling me then i need to sort my own shit out but like that guy about the heroin sometimes a bit of empathy shown to your critics and your haters is what they need in that moment because sometimes they're reaching out for help so I don't really judge it anymore it's just part of the game I like having haters and critics and trolls and if anyone else doesn't like it I'll have yours just give me all of yours because I know it just makes me more successful as you know the algorithms fucking love the haters and the trolls so my haters are just making me more rich and giving me more views and some of them are twats and some of them are competitors pretending and some of them are just normal people who are hurting and that's life the property market let's talk about this because every year they say it's going to crash people are scared people are selling their properties now to be honest when i go along the streets in glasgow you do see the restaurants and all the shops closing down it does break your heart i don't know what's happening but the streets don't seem as busy i think lockdown has really played with people's minds a lot of business have now yeah people are really struggling People genuinely are struggling now There's still money to be made There's still plenty of money to be made Property market is still strong I believe But what is for your own thoughts For someone who is very successful in the property game How is the market and do you see it crashing A man for yourself has probably got that wealth hook And then you would probably jump on that I would imagine if there was a crash Propel Fitness Water With Gatorade electrolytes, zero sugar and vitamins Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self.

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55:49Rob Moore:Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis or Lambert-Eaton syndrome, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Why wait? Ask your doctor. Visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. If the property numbers did go down, but for me, Scotland's always stayed strong. Yeah. It's where when a property game, it's never really dropped too much. It's always risen. Yeah. So I think there's two ways to look at this. Are you entrepreneurial and opportunist?

56:23Rob Moore:Or are you just a normal person in a normal job wanting to live a normal life? If you are a normal person in a normal job wanting to live a normal life, the next five years are going to be very fucking hard for you. Ray Dalio is going around everywhere saying that something worse than a recession is coming. And that guy's fucking smart. And he knows cycles and debt cycles more than anyone else. So he's probably right. You've got Warren Buffett, who's selling a lot of stocks. He's got 324 billion in cash ready. Why? To go and buy a load of cheap assets when they drop. You've got unofficially money printing on the rise again and inflation as a strategy, which means if you think cost of living went up a lot in lockdown, you're in for a shock.

57:08Rob Moore:Now cost of living is going to go up even more. Every time labor attack the landlords, what happens to rents? They go up. Taxes, the next budget, Rachel Reeves has got to find at least 30 billion she's coming for you like this shit is real like if anyone wants to just go and stick their head in the sand it ain't going away it's real like a hundred grand salary now it's nothing you can't live on that when you've got 60 percent in taxes and what you earn and what you spend and how everything is just so expensive so on the other side you've got the the rebellions, you've got the entrepreneurs, the movers, the shakers, the opportunists.

57:54Rob Moore:This will be the best time in history in the next five years to start a business, to invest in property and to invest in assets. So Warren Buffett said, be greedy when others are fearful and fearful when others are greedy. Walt Disney said, observe the masses and do the opposite and right now in mayfair not a million miles from here it's the market is 50 percent down chelsea kensington 40 plus percent down the millionaires and billionaires all going to dubai you probably know some they're all they're gone and scotland it hasn't hit there yet because when you have an earthquake in the epicenter and it takes a while to reverb out so in peterborough the high-end properties where I'm from, 70 miles north of London, the high-end properties have dropped 10 to 15 % because of fucking stamp duty and more tax.

58:51Rob Moore:But they haven't dropped 40 or 50 % yet. But commercial properties, I'm buying one commercial property that was 5 million quid five years ago. I've just paid 2.7 for it. I'm buying another one pretty much in the same square. It was five million quid five years ago, 2.5. So they're half price. The stock market is going to correct. Gold and silver are obviously high at the moment because everything else is kind of in doom mode. AI being a massive thing. The next five years, millionaires and billionaires are going to be made at the expense of ordinary people. And I blame... The government stroke the banks for the suffering of ordinary people.

59:38Rob Moore:Now, if it's me, I blame myself. If I'm an ordinary person, an ordinary job, and I want more, and I haven't taken a risk, I blame myself. But from a wider view, government and banks control inflation, interest rates, taxation, and they're pillaging us. That is a reality. like we have the worst cost of living since the second world war so relatively speaking our pound goes nowhere anymore we had the violation of lockdown the human rights issues of lockdown everything is getting so much more expensive rents are record highs they won't stop with the taxes. The NHS is fucking ruined. And you know what?

1:00:28Rob Moore:A lot of people were bitching about the NHS. And I shut my mouth because I thought, I don't know for sure. And then my dad, we had a shit time with my dad a few months ago and we nearly lost him. And it's a fucking clusterfuck, mate. It's a comedy of errors. And a dear friend of mine close to me, her dad nearly died. and she's just had the same experience. You may as well not have one. And a bit like insurance, you can't claim on insurance now. It's a fucking scam. So you have to pay for insurance twice. You have to repair your car and pay for insurance. Well, in the NHS, you have to have the NHS and then you have to buy private yourself because it's fucked.

1:01:13Rob Moore:So this is a reality that something worse than a recession is coming. And if you're an entrepreneur, it's going to be the biggest opportunity ever. But if you're just a normal person, you're off. You are fucked. They're saying BlackRock's buying a lot of property up. They say we're the last generation. Lois is as well. Yeah, we're the last generation that can afford their property because everything will be rented out because the prices will be so high, people just can't afford it anymore. Could be. So I did a piece of content on that saying this could be the last generation of owning your own home.

1:01:42Rob Moore:So these things motivate me more. So in the last recession of 2008, I was buying properties for between$35 ,000 and$75 ,000, which are now 200 ,000. So I've seen it and it's coming again. And whatever price they drop to in 10 or 20 or 30 years, they're going to be double or triple. And if what we've just said does come true, where it becomes so much harder to own a house, then those that you own are likely to go up in value a lot. So if anyone's been waiting to buy a property or be an entrepreneur or start a business, don't fucking wait five years, start now. But if you've got 500 millions worth of property and say the property crashes and everything goes half price, you've got 250 million, but surely in another 10, 20 years, they'll be worth 750 or a billion.

1:02:30Surely that's common sense that the market's always rising no matter what.

1:02:35Rob Moore:So observe the masses do the opposite. So what do the masses do when an asset goes down in price? Panic. Yeah, they panic. And then what do you do when you panic? You sell. Everyone listening or watching who's ever bought Bitcoin has got a story when they sold Bitcoin and they probably sold Bitcoin when they panicked or they were scared. I sold all my fucking Bitcoin in lockdown. Now I've bought a fair bit of Bitcoin back. Fucking stupid mistake. Because the whole world was shitting itself. So why did you not take that advice there from Warren Buffett? Because this is a great question. Do you know how many people give me parenting advice who haven't got kids?

1:03:14Rob Moore:You have no fucking idea. And I'd never really panicked. like in the recession crash of 2008, we were too sort of new and green to know why it was really bad and it was really good for us. So the first proper time in business where I experienced extreme fear and panic everywhere was lockdown 2020. So I read all the books, I knew all the quotes, bang, bang, bang. But like I said, business is the greatest teacher. Lockdown, I mean, it was hard for me because I couldn't run my business through lockdown. The government made it illegal. But yeah, I sold. I had Richard Mille and Patek Philippe watches, which I sold for 30, 70, 80 grand, which then went up to 200, 250, 300.

1:04:03Rob Moore:I'd have sold my dick if it wasn't attached to me. I was sapping everything. I sold cars, which, you know, gone up in value because I wanted a load of cash because I I thought that's what you needed in a recession because that's what, you know, but yeah, I got the lesson. So you've learned from it? Yeah. So you sold all your, because the property market and watches went through the roof. Yeah, they did. The guys who I get my watches from, they had a Rolex. I don't even know it had like Arabic writing on it, but they bought it for like 120 grand. On lockdown, they were offered for like 420 or 480.

1:04:40That says no. And now it's only worth like 70 now. They said no because it just kept rising I don't even know what that watch was called Yeah, but yeah And they lost fucking fortunes They did take a massive hit The watch market's still stable now It's still doing okay But lockdown was massive for people Yeah, it was bonkers Everybody buying dogs as well

1:05:04Rob Moore:Dogs and watches Yeah, well do you know what? My wife talks about this a lot But she wants to get a rescue dog And she said there's all these fucking dogs that people bought in lockdown, and then three years later, they're just giving back because they can't be fucking bothered to look after them anymore, which is fucking sad. Yeah, but people could only get out the house unless they were walking a dog. You know what I mean? Never mind your - That's not why you buy a dog. Never mind your mental health. Yeah, I think you could walk to McDonald's and walk your dog. It's crazy to me. Lockdown was a big awakening for me, and that's why I distanced myself from a lot of people because I've seen who was weak and who was strong.

1:05:36Yeah. I've seen nobody question the narrative, everybody banging pots and pans, and everybody just - great lessons yeah i learned many lessons yeah i did and it made me so much stronger i was on a good place anyway and i was questioning it then like i was interviewing david eight seven eight years ago yeah so i kind of understood those sort of patterns and what was being said but in my own intuition is where i still question my own integrity because i didn't want to hurt anybody and because so many people are in favor of lockdowns and vaccines i thought maybe they're right. I did also question myself.

1:06:09But thankfully I pushed through. Thankfully what I'd done was the right decision for me and my family but it shows me how because humans want to be controlled majority of humans want guidance that's why we look for governments and presidents and whoever. They want to be guided because nobody knows what's really going on until you find your own path and have the strength just to do what you want. I think a lot of people are genuinely good. They just want to work and go home and make their dinner for the family watch their programs on the TV maybe have a little wine people are happy with that you know I know people who are genuinely happy like me that don't really have much but they just have those they're sort of in their own little bubble sometimes I can think of my envious because with pressure and with constantly trying to push new boundaries and raise the bar it comes a whole lot of fucking new sacrifices a whole new pain but that's what makes us different and I'm not nowhere near your level I believe I could be if I really focused on it But I'm just trying to find the next paths I genuinely want to start helping more people I genuinely want to start understanding The mind which is so important Because everything's a programme How we see the world, how we feel Is all we do with the mind Feelings don't even exist But everything's here It's how it's programmed But how to unprogram How to rewire it And how to fucking have a better life I think People genuinely deserve to have a better life as well Because a lot of people are sad as well A lot of people are upset A lot of people don't feel good enough But you are good enough And it's mad to think that people don't tap in to their true potential because everybody has it.

1:07:41Because people thought you would have never done what you've done. It's unbelievable what you've achieved as well. You should be proud of yourself.

1:07:47Rob Moore:Yeah, thank you. So the property stuff, for anybody who's maybe scared, do you think they should take more risks? Well, I mean... Because who's that guy? I think you've had a couple of back and forths that says don't buy property, just rent houses. Simon, my friend Simon Squibb. No, the American. He goes about in the private planes with his wife. Grant Cardone. Grant Cardone. But he says don't buy property. Yeah, but then he wants you to put money in his fund where he buys property in his fund. That's just a coin. No, I think what he's doing is he's saying don't buy your own home. One thing I would say about that, because that whole debate on whether you should own or rent your own home goes around the internet.

1:08:26Rob Moore:There's a couple of people on Bartlett saying don't buy your own home. They're both fucking Americans. What the fuck do Americans know about the UK property market? Nothing. So the tax laws are different. You've got tax write-offs on your own home. So that's number one. You can buy your own home, do it up. It will go up in value. You can sell it and you can trade up. And in three homes, you can live in your dream fucking home and you pay no tax. The taxes in different states in America are completely different. So you should be listening to a fucking English person who's got 308-yard properties in this fucking country.

1:09:00Rob Moore:It pisses me off because they don't understand. Now, look, if you're 21 and you want to travel the world and you want freedom, don't go and stretch yourself and get a massive mortgage. I understand that part. But in the UK, all these baby boomers who've got a bit of wealth, most of their wealth is from the properties they started to buy 30 or 40 years ago. Also in America, the property market does not go up like it does in the UK. We have a really strong property market in the UK. So if you've got the affordability, and you want to be somewhere, it's far better to own your own home than it is to rent it out.

1:09:42Rob Moore:If you rent, you could be kicked out by your landlord. Every time you move when you rent, it's thousands of pounds to move because people say oh well the upkeep of owning your own home well if you move once a year all the removal costs all the changing of the all of the utilities that's going to cost thousands of pounds like i've lived in two rental properties and they were both just to wait until i found somewhere to buy and no rental property you can't i don't like the carpet don't like the fire this doesn't really feel like it all the landlord wants to come in whenever they want i'm not allowed to do this like where you live and how you raise your family and the foundation upon which you build your empire is your own home and what do we call our own home in the uk a castle so i'm not i don't think these guys are saying it's not a con you know to um not own your own home but in the uk it's probably if you're 35 or over and you can afford the mortgage it's probably better to own your own home let me just chuck this in and i was really fucking important i was walking down bond street and you know those people who stop you and ask you questions well one guy who's like a really big viral tiktok stopped me and he's i know you and he's like what's the difference between the rich and the poor what's the difference between the rich and the poor and i went inflation and he went what do you mean and he said well i said inflation makes people with cash or savings poorer because it reduces the value of your money.

1:11:15Rob Moore:Inflation makes people with assets richer because inflation pushes the price of assets up. One of the reasons watches went up so much in lockdown, okay, there was scarcity of supply, but inflation was double digits. Inflation is everything costing more money, including your investment properties, including your own home, but also including your rent, your bills, your food, your milk, your cheese. So if you want to stay broke, have no assets. if you want to get rich have assets and when you have assets inflation makes you more rich but it makes the broke more broke so when you own your own home inflation is making you more rich and i don't think the americans understand this do you ever worry though with having so much property because look what they're doing to the farmers and inheritance tax do you ever worry that they just because i think in the 50s or 60s maybe 70s it was over 90 percent tax people were Do you ever get concerned that they might just change everything and just try and rinse you for more?

1:12:12Could they change policies? Could they change laws where they just tax you 75%, 80 % and you take a big hit on the properties? Is that a possibility?

1:12:22Rob Moore:You could lock this door after this episode and torture me for the next week. I mean, I hope you don't. If the money's right.

1:12:33Rob Moore:Maybe. Is that a concern for you, though? No. Because I learned from all the Roman philosophers that 95 % of what you worry about isn't real. Or Mark Twain. I love these philosophers. You've gone through real pain, the Stoics. So the reality of our government is they have no fucking clue what they're doing. And they say they're going to do X, Y, Z policy. And then it's different. So many people in property have been scared of this renter's reform bill. and then there's also the employment laws and rights and then there's exit taxes and wealth taxes and all of that and it's all just fucking talk and you don't know what happens until it happens and then what happens is usually not what they said would happen and then what do entrepreneurs do go right okay well we'll find a little workaround then why do billionaires not pay themselves a billion pound a year salary because they don't want to pay 45 income tax So they find a workaround by getting paid in shares and then getting lending on the shares and turning the shares into debt because there's no tax on debt.

1:13:39Rob Moore:And people kick off about that. But billionaires are just finding always around it. Now, something that people don't understand about the UK, because they probably watch too much on X, is that the property laws in the UK are among the best in the world. Your property deeds that you have for your where you live, they are fucking solid. They're going nowhere. In Dubai, if the benevolent dictator says he wants your property, it's his. In many of these war-stricken countries, so the property laws here are really good. The legal system is actually really good. I know it's flawed, but there's a proper legal system.

1:14:16Rob Moore:And in many countries, there isn't. Someone, sorry to interrupt, but someone says, you know how you've got your title deeds, but someone says there was something more. Because someone, I don't know what video it was, but you don't actually own it until you actually, it was something more you bought to prove that the house was completely yours. I can't even fucking remember what it was. Yeah, maybe. Because I mean, some people have a theory that you don't own your property because whoever, you know, the king who owns the land or whoever owns the land. But if you have a title deed, you can get a mortgage against that.

1:14:53Rob Moore:And the way to test if you own your property is will the bank lend on it? And if the bank will lend on it, you own that. So I think there's a bit too much conspiracy about that. I mean, people are already pretty fucked off in the UK, aren't they? So imagine if all of a sudden we all found out that we don't own our own homes. I mean, then it ain't just a million-person free speech rally, is it? What do you think of 20 ,000 people leaving the UK? 20 ,000 millionaires? I think it's fucking catastrophic. Because people don't understand that the top 0.1 % earners in the UK pay the top 20 % in tax. and I think the top 10 % pay the top 69 % in tax.

1:15:31Rob Moore:So all these lefties going, oh yeah, fuck the billionaires, shut the door on your way out, don't realise they're going to be covering the tax bill and it's the millionaires and billionaires who pay most of the tax. It is catastrophic. How many millionaires and billionaires are leaving this country? Three of the 12 richest people in the UK are leaving this country. So Jim Ratcliffe, now as partnership of Man United, has just said, I'm taking my investment away from the UK. Dyson, you know, great British company, Dyson. We're exiling anyone British who's successful. The politics of envy, it is catastrophic.

1:16:10Rob Moore:So here's the thing, all the tax revenues going to Dubai and UAE, so taxes will have to go up here and it'll be the working class people who have to cover the tax bill, but Labour conned you because Labour said, well, working class people won't be paying more tax, but they will because there's less tax revenue because it's all going to Dubai Do you think something will change in Dubai? Because surely they can't let everybody keep going there I know people are paying taxes in Dubai now but do you think so? Because when you look what happened to Iran with a so-called bomb 100 miles away from Dubai it did scare people a lot of people left Dubai Do you think that's a possibility because there's so many people leaving with some sort of plan okay we'll drop a bomb here get everybody back because we think the streets aren't safe here but you ain't getting bombs So could there be a wickeder plan to get people back?

1:16:58Because if the taxes are so high and people are leaving Then the economy is going to crash surely if there's not enough money here

1:17:04Rob Moore:I mean, there probably, I like your word wickeder There probably is a wickeder plan And I don't think anyone fucking knows And I can give you my theory I just think, why don't we keep it simple? Why don't we cut spending on the NHS? Why don't we dramatically reduce welfare? all those people who are on welfare but are all right because there's fucking plenty of them why don't we get them learning to be a bricklayer or laying foundations of houses or a roofer because don't we need 1.5 million homes in the uk and and you know do you know the best thing for your mental health a good fucking day's work like who feels shit and depressed after a good fucking day's work where you achieve something no one so we have these interlinked problems which all get solved, let's spend 50 billion less on welfare.

1:17:55Rob Moore:And let's put those people through apprenticeships and let's give them jobs and increase the economy. So if we reduce taxes and reduce welfare and increase employment, we don't need to drop a bomb 100 miles from Dubai. Why don't we just go, okay, we'll let you come back and we'll let you have some tax reliefs. And we won't ask you to pay business rates for the first year. And in the second year, you only have to pay 10 % back. And And then in the third year, 15 % VAT. And we'll keep it at 15%. You know, this is fucking common sense stuff. And if you just do all of this, i.e. you're thinking, fuck, the government want me to start a business.

1:18:29Rob Moore:They're giving me incentives. I'm going to fucking do it. Why not? I've been thinking about it for 20 years. Fuck it, I'm going to do it because I can get a grant in the first year. I only have to pay 10 % corporation tax in the first year. I'm going to do it. And then we have a wave of people starting businesses and creating jobs because unemployment's gone on the rise since national insurance went on the rise. Mate, is this not just common sense? Why don't we sort our own shit out? And if we are, fuck, if we do have this military industrial complex and we're fucking strategically dropping bombs somewhere to bring people back, that's the wrong fucking way.

1:19:05Rob Moore:That's like being a narcissist and trying to get your ex back. You know, it ain't going to work. What about Bitcoin? I'm not educated enough about Bitcoin. I was offered it for 5 ,000, maybe seven, eight years ago by two brothers, actually. I didn't know anything about it. I was a gambling addict in the past, and I just thought it was a bit of gambling. That's ironic. And I just thought, nah. But obviously hindsight's a wonderful thing, but Bitcoin to you, do you see it getting stronger? Do you see it constantly rising? I know it dropped to, what,$20 ,000,$25 ,000, maybe a year, two years ago.

1:19:39Now it's past 100 ,000 for the first time. Is that correct? Yeah.

1:19:43Rob Moore:So the reality of Bitcoin is it's quite a young asset class. So compared to the stock market, there's hundreds of years old and gold and silver, which are billions of years old and thousands of years old used as currency and property is thousands of years old. Bitcoin, I don't even think is 20 years old. So to all these Bitcoin evangelists, that is a risk. And Michael Saylor isn't just the evangelist. And you should be aware that it could go to zero because it's very young. It's like an 18-year-old footballer who's just won the Ballon d 'Or. Does that mean when he's 35, he's going to break all the records that Ronaldo has just broken?

1:20:23Rob Moore:Well, statistically, probably not. That being said, do I think it's going to go up? Yes, because it has the fundamentals. It has demand. It has scarcity. It has lack of the ability to manipulate it. I love anything that's decentralized. So anything that the The government can't fucking whack up the inflation money printing device. I love that. And I think we need more competition in markets. Governments don't have enough competition. There's lame, we're all conservatives. You know, Nigel Farage is my friend and he's probably not perfect guy, but at least he could break the two-party monopoly. So Bitcoin is disruptive and it's breaking certain monopolies and it is truly decentralized.

1:21:05Rob Moore:So I'm buying Bitcoin, but I'm not putting more than, personally, I'm not putting more than maybe 5 % of my net worth in because I don't know enough about it to put more in. I know a lot more about property. I'd be comfortable putting 50 % of my net worth into property, but I wouldn't be comfortable putting that into Bitcoin. Because you're humble enough to know you don't know enough. And don't go and buy something just because fucking Michael Saylor says. Do it because you've done your own research. and people say to me, Rob, I've got 10 grand. What should I do with it? Where should I put it?

1:21:39Rob Moore:Well, don't just put it into Bitcoin. You could have some gold, some silver, some Vanguard life strategy stock market fund and a little bit of Bitcoin. That's probably smarter. Which is because there's no value. There's no meaning to it. When you've got a house, you've got the house. You've got the bricks. It has utility. Yeah, you've got something to it. With the Bitcoin, even if it goes to zero, who gains from that? if it goes to zero, who's the big makers from that if it went to zero? Well, probably the governments. Because obviously, if it goes to zero, there's going to be a lot of people losing a lot of money.

1:22:13Rob Moore:I don't know where that money would go, but I imagine governments are quite scared of a decentralized asset like Bitcoin. Can people use it yet for credit in shops that are making credit cards? Has that happened yet? I've seen many people talk about that, But it's never come into fruition, has it? It's not pervasive. It's not. The average person can't. A proper hacker who geeks out on Bitcoin can spend their Bitcoin. But it's not like pounds or credit cards, which is universally accepted. The thing is, Bitcoin's not good for that. People don't understand this. Bitcoin is a poor currency because it goes up in value.

1:22:55Rob Moore:So imagine you have some money, but it goes up in value, not down. you wouldn't spend it. So people know that money goes down in value. They kind of know that. And that's why you need some inflation because people moan about inflation. But you need some to keep people spending in the economy. If you have deflation like you do with Bitcoin and it goes up, people don't spend it. They hoard it. So Bitcoin cannot be a currency, even if it has other properties if it's deflationary. What it can be is a treasury. So it could replace gold as a standard or a reserve, you know, where nations and now private companies are, you know, Michael Saylor's done it with MicroStrategy, where essentially it's a treasury, like you have a treasury in government.

1:23:48Rob Moore:It's a store of wealth, a security. It's good for that. It's just bad for a currency so you've made all your money you're doing well got your cars got your watches kids are healthy why the podcast why start a podcast you've had some amazing guests david goggins peterson andrew tate david dyke well i am like some great nigel farage you've had some great interviews look what was the method behind that because you're already doing well why come at the forefront again yeah so my podcast will be 10 years old in January and I started it because um it just seemed like another media where you can get your name out there and with what I do I need my name out there well actually I don't need my name out there I just have to spend about 30 million pounds more a year on ads so I save my company tens of millions in ads by getting my name out there and people finding me.

1:24:46Rob Moore:So that's why I did it. And I like talking to entrepreneurs at the time. So it used to be called Disruptive Entrepreneur. It's now called Disruptors. And I love talking to entrepreneurs because I'm an entrepreneur and that's what I'm interested in. I think maybe at five years in, I changed it from Disruptive Entrepreneur to Disruptors. One, because the odd crazy guests I got, you know, like David Eichel, Andrew Tate blew up. and then also when you've interviewed 200 entrepreneurs you kind of know what they're gonna say a bit you must get that with certain types of guests you could almost do the fucking podcast for them so I got a bit like I got a bit stale so I changed it to disruptors and yeah we'll be 10 years so why do it because it's a great way to get your name out there without spending a loan of money on ads it's made me tens of millions of pounds directly and indirectly.

1:25:37Rob Moore:But the best thing about the podcast is the people you meet. You and I have met people we wouldn't have met were it not for the podcast. And we'd probably become good friends with people we would not have met if it weren't for the podcast. And with a podcast, you can kind of punch up. Because when you start out, do you remember the feeling when you got your first big guest, how fucking great that feeling is? And you're punching up. It's like when you got your hottest girl, you're like, shit, I'm punching up here. And you can do that with a podcast, but you can't really do that anywhere else. Message 27 billionaires and say, look, do you want to go out for lunch?

1:26:11Rob Moore:It's just going to ghost you. But message them and say, hey, do you want to come on the show? Yeah. Yeah, it's good networking. It's great. What did you think of Gawkins? Intense. Intense. Before I, because I had probably one of his biggest shows, I think, and I had him right, like Jordan Peterson, I had him right at the peak. and David, like, you know, right at the peak. And we sat down and it was fucking super intense. And, like, a lot of the time I just like to... So when I started, you know, I might chat before and that might be my nervousness. And then as I've got more experienced, I just sort of go with the moment.

1:26:56Rob Moore:So we were just chatting. You know, we sort of know each other, don't we? So that was fine. And we were chatting and that's great. but I'm quite comfortable in my own skin on a podcast now where I'll just sit there quietly and wait and so he was getting ready and there was a bit of faff and he looked so fucking intense and I said to him you don't want to do this do you he's like no I don't want to do it but I'm doing it I mean like that was the whole thing for the whole show he was just like everything is pain um like he even said like sometimes I go to my wife and I say I've got to go for three months and you're not going to hear from me and you've got to let me do it and you know maybe you're going to leave me and maybe you're not but we gotta i gotta go and do this everything is like pain to him you're like andrew tate everything's fucking pain um yes he was super intense but i really enjoyed it yeah i mean i i i used to not like conflict on podcasts because i'm the fat kid people pleasing conflict avoider but now i'll go there um have you had dan penya on your show yeah oh fucking great i went to his castle yeah yeah We went and see Dan Didn't we stuff He was a crazy Old bastard Yeah yeah I like coming back Because he was telling me Because And He does his seminars I think maybe 25 grand 50 grand I don't know At his parcel yeah He's got people All around the world Now he's got these geeks Who've read thousands of books He says I don't give a fuck about that He's got a boxing ring In his castle Yeah And gets everybody to fight Because he says There's no point In giving me 2 ,000 Because you've read 2000 books I want to know If you can take a fucking Punch in the face I want to know If you're going to come back For more Because it doesn't matter How educated you are When the shit hits the fan I need to know You've got the balls To fucking push through And not just some geek Who's read books And doesn't have any fucking Any sort of strength Yeah And I thought like I respect that I think fucking fair play Because nobody wants to fight It's The brain The natural instinct Is to protect yourself Sort of throw people Into the wild like that Yeah He says I can tell if they're going to make it or not.

1:29:00Fucking nutcase.

1:29:01Rob Moore:Yeah, I've had him on the show twice. And yeah, I was a bit disappointed because I wanted more conflict. But I think because I'm doing all right as an entrepreneur, I think he may be respected. Yeah, yeah. I actually didn't want him to respect me. I wanted him to go for me. And we had some bits which really popped off. But yeah, I fucking love characters like that. You know, we're all different and I embrace our differences. But yeah, I don't mind a bit of the conflict now. so like with David I suppose David Icke and then Chris Eubank I have this cult episode with Chris Eubank which it's not my biggest show it's had half a million views on the main yeah but it's not my biggest and on the audio it's probably more but there's there's probably like a half a billion of views on all the clips of him grunting at me and staring at me in silence for 30 seconds and just like trying his best to completely throw me off.

1:29:59Rob Moore:So David Goggins, who was intense, my first proper fucking like, what is this? This is intense. I'm uncomfortable. And then Chris Eubank with just the whole fucking weirdness. Those two. Is that when I had the brown fuck caught on? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like it was just a whole experience was weird. And it was those two episodes that really made me grow as an interviewer. because I can tell you're comfortable, you know, because I'm an interviewer too. You can kind of see what's going on in your brain. You know, the fact that you don't have any questions written is obviously very impressive. But people don't understand how hard this is as a job and how much research you have to do.

1:30:39Rob Moore:But yeah, that's another thing about business. Business taught me conflict. Most people's results in life aren't where they want to be because they're running away from conflict, which is why Dan Pena wants to put you in the ring and see if you can take a punch in the face. Because what he really wants to see is can you deal with conflict? And so, you know, when you have a couple of awkward fucking guests, I live for those moments now. I want fucking awkward guests now. I don't want just friends. I want awkward guests. Yeah, because that's what the goal does as well. It's making people uncomfortable, but it's a weird industry.

1:31:11It's so oversaturated now. We started it, I'm over eight years now. Yeah.

1:31:16Rob Moore:Is it though? Like, I still reckon there's not that many people that do a podcast. Oh no, it's massive. but we're independent we're not BBC, we're not Go Radio, we're not whoever we're doing it independently which is important. And I think you made the right decision. Yeah. Yeah because otherwise they'd be controlling what guests you have and what you say I rejected TV work for that. Right. They offered me for this. Yeah but you can't do podcasts wear this, think this way, talk this way, interview this. Listen it was life changing but I've came too far you know and I enjoy what I do there's no pressure on it you know I'm not a dick I don't ask dicky questions I just straight interview of someone's life we all see the world through our own lenses differently from everyone else because we've all been raised differently we've all got different levels of trauma so we see the world differently everybody has got different purpose in life I think purpose is key for what you want to achieve and what you want to do if you don't have purpose you're kind of lost so I think it's important but yeah it's interesting what about Tate Tate's I've got a good relationship with Tate over the last few years three times yeah yeah he's been on mine three times so that was five years ago I think I interviewed him yeah my life is a pimp kind of thing where he's very open I think it's been used against him now in court cases but what was your opinion of Tate in what regard just well for his presence first of all I think he's he's very he's very respectful treats you with manners very kind em but when the cameras are on he is switched on he's very articulate, he's very he is like calculated, very chest, he is a smart man I don't think people give him enough credit for how smart he is from the charges he's going through but then to make his name even bigger now Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins Andrew Tate, I think David Dyke, they've all been cancelled, they've all been deplatformed, but no matter if you like these people or not, they've all come back stronger so there must be something in them as well, but what was your whole outlook on Andrew Tate?

1:33:20Rob Moore:Yeah. So I think he's a very good public speaker. And I know that he relentlessly works on that as a craft. So how he comes across is not just someone who's ranting or random. I think he's very calculated in that regard. I think he's a very fast thinker. He acts very fast. He makes decisions very fast. And then he deals with sorting things out after he makes very fast decisions. I think he's probably one of, I would say that the best three marketers in the world right now are Elon Musk, Donald Trump and Andrew Tate. and again it's something maybe only entrepreneurs can see this but you know I know him very well like you and I know some things he said are marketing and some things he said he believes in his heart and I think I've been able to differentiate between those two if you look at him he's evolved himself into a political commentator now that wasn't what he was he's reinvented himself at least three times you know since everything kicked off with his initial court case.

1:34:34Muslim.

1:34:35Rob Moore:Yeah. Yeah and then if you think about that if you look at it from business or marketing perspective reinventing yourself is smart and probably stops you from becoming irrelevant. Yeah so it's big power plays. Yeah it's massive power plays and I see it that way. I see it as power plays i see he's done it again the first thing i think which no one says and it's probably not great for a clip so sorry but no one fucking knows yeah no one knows how the political system works no one knows if anyone is innocent or guilty no one everyone is getting stuff fed on an algorithm so you haven't got a balanced view so the honest answer is i don't know if andrew Tate is innocent or guilty.

1:35:20Rob Moore:I hope, selfishly, I hope not, because I've got some association with him, but that might make me biased. I understand that about myself. He obviously has controlled women when he did his webcam business. I like to think he hasn't raped someone. Maybe he hasn't. Who knows? But he should get a fair trial, like everyone should, like Russell Brand should. And with social media thinking it's judge and jury, that makes it really hard. So I asked you, do you think he'll get a fair trial? I don't know how Andrew Tate can get a fair trial or Russell Brand, because how can a jury sit there without a biased view?

1:36:00Rob Moore:And so social media is perpetuating this. Trial by media. Exactly. Media does not have the rights to trial us. and so what i know is what i don't know you know also normally in life like you said there's usually no smoke without fire as they say and i hope not too but there are also on the other side lots of victims who can't not necessarily from those two people but just in general who are scared to come out but then that's police not giving them enough protection or taking seriously so i don't fucking No And I hope not Yeah I'm the same And it's not to be Sitting on the fence Like it's next I hope not But it's a case of There is no smoke without fire But then again I've interviewed people Even Epstein victims Some of them were talking shit You know Even Harvey Weinstein You know there was Five girls Were released Because they had no evidence Some of them says Oh He stuck his testicles in my throat The guy had his fucking testicles removed Like there was some mad shit Oh wow Yeah so a lot of people so on both sides there's a lot of bullshit and Andrew Tate is so popular and the the kind of system will jump on any statement used against him same as Russell Brandy has been accused of something over 20 years ago now it doesn't stop people from living in pain or whatever but I can't see them having much evidence you know other than hearsay yeah so it's such a it's such a touchy subject and nobody really wants to discuss it in detail but you've got to be honest you know I just think hopefully everything they both released hopefully they're fine they're not guilty but the way the system operates and the way it works it doesn't look good for both no matter how fucking big your popularity is no matter how what religion you go with because Russell Brand's now jumped on the religious train he's went the Christian way I mean his content's just like really changing Russell Brand but that's narcissism as well that's his sort of fucking madness where they can't let Let go of that popularity They can't let go Of that attention To being Two of the most High profile names On the planet He was married To fucking Katy Perry He was in the Hollywood system He was friends with Diddy As well You know what I'm saying Like it's fucking Doesn't mean Like there's people That being friends With Jimmy Savile Doesn't mean they're all Fucking pedophiles There's people Who went with Epstein Bear in mind If you're starting off In your journey And Epstein says And you meet him At a fucking A party And he says Listen I've got an island You want to come And we fill our business people You're gonna go Same as Diddy Fiend Invited me to a party Two, three years ago I mean fuck it I'm going I'm thinking I'm going to get guests Yeah Your network Yeah And then it all comes out So people who get photos With these people It doesn't mean they're bad No It just means They've maybe been caught up In some shit Yeah But you've interviewed people With the Epstein stuff as well Have you not?

1:38:55Have I? Have you not? I don't think so You've spoke about the Epstein stuff Have I? Prince Andrew stuff

1:38:59Rob Moore:Have I? Have you not? I really Not really No Did you not speak with that with Tate? No No, I don't think I have. I don't know anything about it, James. And like, you know, like, I guess, like you said, people perceive if you say, I don't know, you're sitting on the fence. It's actually people should say, I don't know more. If you don't know, you don't fucking know. I don't know. I've probably done a couple of Facebook lives on Prince Andrew, probably just reporting what happened. I don't know. I mean, it doesn't look good. But, you know, any media you watch, you know, it's either left led or right led.

1:39:41It's rarely unbiased and balanced and neutral.

1:39:47Rob Moore:So, you know, I've watched all the stuff on Russell Brand and I've watched all the stuff on Andrew Tate and you see it from both sides. It's completely coloured and biased from both sides. that documentary on Russell Brand tried to accuse him of asking his runner to go and get phone numbers from women in the audience. You and I would do that if we were successful and we wanted to get with a girl. That's just good leverage. We don't have to go date. That is not a crime. And that is not rape. And that is not anything going and getting a phone number of a girl. Well, actually, that's what we used to do as men fucking 30 years ago.

1:40:31Rob Moore:So that's not a crime. It's nowhere near a crime. And they're making out that that's a crime. So that's it's bullshit. And like with the Prince Andrew stuff, it's not really in my wheelhouse, James. I don't really know anything about it. And I like I do have areas where I kind of stay away. I know you've got anything goes. So you go there. I've got disruptors. I probably would interview Prince Andrew but I imagine he's not going to be doing media at the moment but you know the Epstein or the Prince Andrew it just doesn't really benefit me to go there in any way I don't know enough about it it's dangerous as well it is dangerous if I don't know much about it it doesn't really benefit me to go there what's the point they are dangerous topics because when you start uncovering stuff like this I know everybody says you get silenced, prison, killed I don't think we're big enough You know, to create waves Where these people are arsed I've interviewed people who says Prince Andrew's innocent The photo was fake He is Actually I was looking at him thinking Does he think he's smart on what he is?

1:41:40But that's when we were saying, listen he's just honest He's nothing to hide He actually doesn't sweat It is hard to believe though Because when I watched the interview first incident I thought he's fucking wrong He's bad But again I don't know the guy I don't have all the evidence Social media just makes someone guilty By a couple of videos But I don't agree with accusations Or allegations getting put into the press Because men do get fucked over I think If you're going to make false accusations There's got to be things in place You should be doing the same sentence What that man would have got If he got found guilty Because I think too many people Now want fame They want attention I think The majority of people Are losing themselves Through social media I think the mindset is becoming so deteriorated Our attention span is coming down I don't think it's healthy anymore I think social media was a place of It was exciting People could connect I think there's so many people now disconnect And I think it's becoming so damaging towards the brain Because people are now willing to do anything for viewers People are just waiting for people to die So they can go to a funeral and post that Or fall pregnant for a social media post People are now doing things so they can post that Same as when they go on holiday When they get married It's all just show off, show off, show off There's my kids showing off I just think we're not enjoying the moment anymore We're completely lost I watched a video, it was about kids in the 90s And it just says there was no phones There was just a meeting spot And people just to go there And you're out to, the lights come on in the street And playing video games You're next to the person You're not in another room, disconnecting Like it makes, I wasn't emotional But you're thinking, fuck me, I lived in a good I thought I was raised rough but I want my kids to go through that now because they just played in the street there was no dramas there was a lot of fucking madness around us but it was normal you know I just think we're losing it I think social media is going to be one of the biggest destructions to mankind over the next 10 years I think the brain is seeing too many images it's seen too many videos we're not concentrating anymore and I think a lot of people will come away from social media because of that the smart ones I think I'm going to plan and come away from it next year right well how will you keep doing your show then because you must rely on no I'll still do my show I'll have people to cut up clips I just don't want to interact on how well the clips are doing or reply to comments

1:43:58Rob Moore:oh so you'll still do your content yeah yeah I'll still do it you just won't be on social media yeah I just think it's so damaging I think I've completely lost myself now I'm chasing you chase electrical likes you're chasing people are telling you you're worth and they don't really know you I get a lot of love and support but I just think a lot of people are mentally unstable now and they just say shit. They're just so full of hate. And the hate can really consume you, no matter who you are. And I just think stepping back from it, I'll elevate even more because I think you'll be two steps ahead of everyone else in the next five years because people have just completely lost themselves.

1:44:36That's all they have. And that's sad. And I don't want to be part of that. I don't want to be the guinea pig because I already feel my finger kind of bending in with holding my phone in my neck, kind of racking over. Yeah, yeah. People's bodies are changing. their spines are changing, their fingers are changing and it's the radiation that comes off them as well so yeah, hopefully listen, I'm addicted to it, I need to know what's happening, that's how I find my guests I like to interact with people as well just that certain message of saying thank you for watching, got a message back and then watch again, like it's all business, it's all strategies and yeah, I just don't think it's healthy for the mind What's your thoughts on social media?

1:45:15Yeah.

1:45:16Rob Moore:I've tried my absolute best for as long as I've used it to use it for business and not get consumed like that. Obviously, you can't you can't step into a fire without getting burned. So I agree with you. I think it is and can be damaging, but it saves me tens of millions a year in ads. And it's helped build me four million followers, people who never would have found me before. and billions of views and listens that I never would have got before. This has really helped grow my business. And I pay lots of taxes and I do lots of things for people. So I think, you know, you can use a knife to cut up healthy vegetables and make a nice dinner or, you know, stab someone to death with it.

1:46:05Rob Moore:So if anyone's listening or watching and is similar view of social media and its destruction, use it. Don't let it use you. So as soon as I feel myself going, oh, I'm scrolling and swiping here like a fucking zombie stock, just put the fucking thing down. As soon as you go, you itch, itch, itch. Just fucking put the thing down. The great thing about doing stuff like this is I haven't thought about my phone or social media until we've just said it now. And we might have been doing this, what, 90 minutes we've probably been going? There you go. And I've not even thought about it. So go out and do shit.

1:46:41Rob Moore:Go out and live your life. if i ever go anywhere i don't take photos like you said i want to be there in it you know i was on these three fucking massive yachts doing i was a paid keynote speaker there we were fucking living the dream didn't take one photo didn't put one photo on social media because i'm there living it not you know if i go on a high on a private jet it won't be just to do for social media you want there won't be a photo of it because what's the point like you said you want you want to live the life yeah that being said though social media is a brilliant tool and it's giving you a platform and me a platform use it don't let it use you you've probably been asked this many times but when is enough enough well if you're a man on a mission then it is never enough and you are okay with that like um have you had all the sex you're going to have in your life or you just want to keep going have some more you probably want to keep it's got you in fucking i'm all shagged out bro i'm at that age now i just want to cuddle i'm all shagged out brother that's probably got you out of drool russell brandon andrew tato they're with me ain't got a fucking patch on me bro yeah it's never enough why does it need to be enough like most men on a mission want to get up today knowing they've got something to do with their life look women are different and maybe they want a comfortable life and like you said some people who just want a normal life that's fine.

1:48:05Rob Moore:But the problem is inflation. So let's say I've got enough. I can live. Well, in 10 years, your money is worth half or a third because of inflation. So actually, you do have to keep pushing at least some just to match inflation, just to match your current lifestyle. So, you know, the universe, I believe, I'm not a scientist, but I believe the saying that if you're green, you grow. And if you're ripe, you rot. I believe that is a universal law. And I think if you look at anything in the universe, it is not static. It is either growing or it is decaying and dying out. So anyone who's like, oh, well, now is enough.

1:48:50Rob Moore:Within a week, you'll get bored. Within a month, you'll start pissing people off. I'm sure you're not a great guy to hang around when you're bored as fuck. I'm a nightmare when I'm bored. So it's never enough. And I'm really glad it's never enough. and I know I've got 50 or 60 years left of my life of it never being enough and that's fucking exciting and I've got all these things to look forward to. If my podcast was enough, well then I wouldn't want to go and chase some great guests. If my business was enough, we wouldn't help more people get better financial knowledge. So it's never enough, just get used to it never being enough because that's the universal law.

1:49:27Rob Moore:Actually enjoy that it's not enough and stop trying to fucking find some destination that doesn't exist. When are you at your happiest? When I'm making shit happen, probably. Yeah, I would say I'm at my happiest when I've worked at something quite hard and quite long. And I didn't know if it was going to work. And then it did. And then we learned something new from it. Yeah, I mean, I don't like to talk about this too much. which sounds wanky, I'm not Andrew Tate, but I do do boxing, and I feel really good. I love that word, do-do. Yeah. I said to my daughter, she says do-do, and I said, I don't think that's a word, but I like to throw it out, but it fucking is.

1:50:15I do do boxing.

1:50:17Rob Moore:Yeah. So that feels great, you know, when you're really training hard. Like, I get frustrated with myself when I do my boxing if my technique isn't good or my combos aren't tight. And then when you hit a tight combo or I spar, but not too much because I'm 46. Yeah, but like you slip your counter just feels really good. So I'm not everyone. I'm not here preaching. You're asking me. I think a man is at his happiest when he's doing something meaningful. And probably it's a challenge. and you know he grows in the process i would say like stuff that's fun is different like that making money is fun buying a nice car is fun paying yourself a lot of money is fun going to cool places is fun meeting you call people is fun but that's temporary happiness i think you have to have fulfillment in happiness because happiness without fulfillment is dopamine addiction and you know when people say oh well you know i just want to be happy no no they just want to keep getting dopamine addictions but that's an addiction so for me happiness has to have some level of fulfillment in it and i think men fulfillment means to fill i.e you are filling something that's empty so if you haven't got enough and you chase and you make you are filling an empty void that's called fulfillment so i think happiness is fulfillment when you became a father were you Concerned when your kids went to school in case Anything that sort of torment And trauma which has made you Who you are I believe there's always a connection It's always made you who you are It's made you stronger it's made you resilient It's made you overcome a lot of your fears and demons To then kick on and when the bad shit Happens that's why a lot of people struggle with success They can't handle the backlash They can't handle when the shit hits the fan like Dan Payne go and fight show me what you're made of Because everybody talks a good game But it's when the shit hits the fan which it always Does those cheesy saying 99 % of success is failure Which is fucking true You don't learn until you're out there in the open But when your kids were going through school Was it ever a concern That they might have went through some of the stuff That you went through The sort of teasing and stuff It doesn't really exist anymore But was it always a worry Because of the connection that you had as a kid No, my son is ripped And my daughter She's got an amazing personality And she just knows how to make people love her and I'm not just saying that as a doting dad it is true she's got that gift so no he's never really concerned me and also like how do you get the best lessons in life well when you get a bully and you fucking sort the bully out so I'm not I'm not the kind of dad that's going down the school and fixing my kids problems I'm the sort of dad that's like I'm here and if you want help come talk to me and we'll figure a good strategy to go and sort your problems out but you're dealing with them.

1:53:15Rob Moore:Obviously, if there's a fucking someone with a knife at school, that's different, isn't it? But yeah, like, I think one of the best things you can do as a parent is show your children what life is really like. So I went to private school because my dad put me through private school. Why? Because he had a fucking shit upbringing and he wanted me to have a good upbringing. So I went to private school. But at age 16, I decided I'd come out of private school and go to a state school fuck me that was a shock to me you know because you know people don't fire private schools you know they slap but like i'm playing paul and some guy's fucking squaring up to me and he's gonna snap that cue and start fucking hitting me so you learn you know you learn how to talk yourself out of situations so like if you shield your kids from them then they're going to be children as adults so as we were saying before i think look i'm a dad i'm not doing too bad i'm not the best dad in the world but i'm doing all right of all the things i've read and learned and everything that everyone says is great about parenting my observation is who you are as a dad is as important as what you do as a dad because you can tell them everything in the world but if you're a failure yourself well they're not going to listen to you because they don't listen to you they're gonna wait a minute dad so who you become as a man is one of the most important things you can teach your children i had a boxing my first ever fight in front of 1800 people and i promoted it and filled it and i fought against someone who also has a similar business to mine we put on a great show i'm told by professionals that most pros don't get 1800 people in their first fight we had 250 grand on the line and the guy was 21 kilos heavier than me and I understand he'd had fights before and I'd not had a fight before um and I wanted my kids to be there and I would have been just as happy if they saw me lose as if they saw me win because what I thought was more important is what is life like they get to see what life is like and I wanted to win and all this.

1:55:31Rob Moore:And mate, he was 21 kilos heavier than me. And I tried to knock the fucker out and I went. And I didn't get the decision, but I did good. And my kids were there and they saw it. And so I think you've got to, who you become, what you show them, not what you tell them. And then they've got to understand what life is really like. And life isn't like you fucking are cuddling them like this till they're 21. That is not what life is like. At school, there's always a bully. How do you get rid of the bully? You confront the bully. It's the only way you get rid of the bully. So bullies are there to teach you the things about yourself that you don't own.

1:56:11Rob Moore:Because why is it that a certain person gets bullied? The bully and the bully attract each other. So you've got to let them understand life. What's your most valuable lesson that you've learned from this experience? That no one is really fucking thinking about you. That no one really cares about you other than a handful of people. So, therefore, stop fucking consuming your mind with what everyone is thinking and feeling about you because they are not. And just fucking get on with your life. And in a hundred years we'll all be gone. What about all the stuff that you're doing? Because I genuinely think you want to help people, which is good, I think, from your past.

1:56:51because it shows that when you come from nothing, when you feel scared, when you feel vulnerable, it's a horrible place to be, vulnerability, and people say it's a strength and stuff, but when you're scared and you want your mum or whatever, when you kind of go through all that and then overcome it and then do well, I think it is then good to try and help others. Like, how can people get involved? What sort of stuff do you do when you help? Because I know you do your videos about the property market and governments in the state of the UK, but how can people get involved? that what's the stuff that you're doing now that helps people to become better and be more financially secure and have that little bit of freedom.

1:57:27Some people don't want millions or billions. Some people just want that extra grand, two grand a month to pay their bills and just get on with their life. But what do you teach for people to be better and make more money? Yeah, so my mission is to help as many people

1:57:42Rob Moore:on this planet get better financial knowledge. I have Money School, which is money.school. and whether you want to make an extra 50 quid a week or you want to become a multimillionaire, there's courses, resources, masterclasses and step-by-steps of all different types of side hustles or part-times or full-times or even just have to make more money. So the link is money.school. That's where I would say the majority of my work is. Obviously, my name is Rob Moore and I have a brand called Moore Money, so I'm on all social media channels um but for what i spend on coffee in two days it's the same price to be at money school in money school you'll not get 15 grand a year into debt like you will going to university average 15 grand a year in debt five-year college degree it's 75 grand it's bonkers and so for the cost of a couple of coffees money.school is probably the place how many people are you helping well there's 13 000 lifetime members on money school there's 4 million followers on my social media and who subscribe to my database 20 years in i don't know maybe we've reached 100 million people now obviously 100 million people aren't millionaires because of what I've said.

1:59:02Rob Moore:It's a smaller percentage, but not enough. You know, I'd like to, I'd like to help a billion people. Like if you could just get your expenses down 10 or 20%, get your earnings up 10 or 20 % and then invest the difference in five, 10 or 20 years, your life is going to be dramatically different. And I've got 20 years experience doing this using gold, silver, the stock market, property, business, watches, cars, you name it. So you can make little tweaks, look compounded, get big results, which anyone can do. I'm fucking desperate to teach this kind of stuff in school. Like anyone listening now, if I said to you, save a third, invest a third, spend a third, you can't because you've got too many bills.

1:59:55Rob Moore:But when you're 18 and living at home and you've got no overheads, you can save a third, invest a third, spend a third. So imagine if that was taught to you age 14. The whole country would be so much more wealthy. Do you know how to set up an ISA? Do you know how to invest in the stock market? Do you know how and where to buy gold and silver and where to store it? No one knows any of this stuff. None of this practical stuff was taught in school. Now, the theory of economics is taught, you know and all these classic economists but not real world personal finances and we just did a video that blew up on um helping people get 0 % interest credit cards you know to manage your debt better like play the banks at their own game the banks want you in debt so they'll lure you with free interest or I'll take that oh they want it paying back oh but then I'll put it onto another bank oh they want to pay it back I'll put it onto another bank and so all this debt that people are building up you can literally play the banks at their own game no one knows any of this stuff and that's why i have money.school yeah fair play see when you're doing all that though helping people podcasts like what is the the main goal for the future plans then like what is your main outcome do you have a is it just to keep pushing far is it just to keep pushing forward is just to keep doing what you're doing or do you have a bigger outcome yeah so my mission is to help as many people on the planet get better financial knowledge i'm really clear on that so i want to be doing that for the next 50 or 60 years so that should show street messengers to help as many people as you can yeah because i remember a mentor of mine saying to me because i was trying to do everything i'm sure at times you've been distracted by stuff you can do anything but you can't do everything and you know i love the personal development the mindset like you and i've going in the brain i agree with you on humanity and how we're a bit fucked but i can't be an expert all of that i can learn the basics but i can be an expert about how people can manage their money better because there's quite a few simple things that people can do so if i'm 80 or 90 and there's 100 million people who instead of being 50 grand in debt they've got 50 grand of savings and 5 million of assets the world's going to probably be a better place and maybe i'll help them be happier and maybe i'll help them with their mindset and other things sort of like you know vicariously but you can do anything but not everything so that's my focus and by the way i intend to get really fucking rich doing that like i you know i have a charity it's called the rob moore foundation it's been going a long time but i am not a charity and um i want you to save and make more money and i want my share in the process and i think that that's what's called fair exchange and if i do it all for free you're going to take the piss and take it for granted and I'm going to resent you.

2:02:47Rob Moore:And if I charge you too much money, you're going to resent me. So anyone listening and watching, you can start your passion and turn it into your profession or content to cash flow. You know, this is also a business for you. And when you get that fair exchange, you meet your personal needs as well as, you know, making money. What about the gold and silver? Because you're massively, you speak about this consistently. Obviously, the gold has went through the roof. Silver's went through the roof. But how important is it for people to add again my education on that it's very slim i don't know much about it i know people who do invest in gold i know they do well yeah but because it's not doubled within the last 10 years well gold's at seven all-time highs in the last five years when i was buying gold 15 odd years ago it was 700 pound an ounce now it's 3 600 an ounce five years ago silver was um 14 dollars an ounce, maybe even as low as 11.

2:03:43Rob Moore:Now it's$42 an ounce, depending on when you're listening to this, the price might've changed. So basically gold and silver love fear. And there's loads of fucking fear right now. Gold and silver love inflation. There's high inflation. Gold and silver love crashes, recessions, depressions. And that is in process in some classes and starting in others. very rich people invest in gold and silver and hope it never goes up i'll tell you why in a minute gold and silver for a decade straight when times were really good didn't go up it's flat so the reason that millionaires and billionaires buy gold and silver and hope it never goes up because if it's going up a lot it probably means everything else is going to shit like it currently is right now.

2:04:32Rob Moore:So you use gold and silver as a hedge against everything else. When you see inflation go up, or you think it's going to go up, or you think, bloody everything's costing a lot, or people are talking about, oh, the pound is weak or whatever, just buy a little bit of gold, buy a little bit of silver. Each time, buy a little bit, buy a little bit. Maybe even with Bitcoin. Imagine when you sold your Bitcoin or first thought about it, just every time there's a bit of fear, buy. Every time there's a bit of fear, buy. And then people are, oh, yeah, Yeah, but it might be the wrong time and it might go down in value a lot.

2:05:04Rob Moore:All assets go up and down, but the trajectory is up. And you know, in the stock market, right? Because people are scared, so they won't do anything. And I've had people ask me what to do with hundreds of thousands or even millions of pounds. Just this week, I spoke to two very famous professional boxers who want my guidance on this. They've got loads of money. But when you have loads of money, you have a problem. Potential taxation. and inflation. Even if you go back 100 years and you pick the worst recessions and crashes and depressions, and you bought the day before at the highest peak, each time going back over 100 years, you'd have still made 6 % a year.

2:05:45Rob Moore:And the average is at 10.5 % a year. So you'd have still been way up. In that 6 % a year time, money's probably gone down 4 % a year. So it's a net differential of 10 % a year with inflation down and stock market up or gold even more or silver even more. And again, this stuff isn't taught in school. So it's a long game. So do you think a lot of people are scared because they think it's too high? There's no point, but it's still rising 6-10 % every year? Yeah, I think, well, people are scared for different reasons. Some people are scared because they don't know how. Has it ever crashed, the gold market?

2:06:18Rob Moore:Yeah. When? I don't know. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Read your own research. I don't know anything about it. I mean, in, like, if you just go 100 year gold price on the internet 100 year silver price on the internet you'll see um and you'll and you'll see the peaks and troughs it usually does well in prosperous times and it usually crashes in it it usually sorry let me say that again it usually crashes well gold doesn't really crash, crash. It usually flatlines or goes down in prosperous times. It usually soars or goes up when everything else is crashing. That's usually the trend of gold and silver.

2:06:59Yeah. Do you ever get it wrong?

2:07:02Rob Moore:Yeah. Like, do I give the air of a twat? Of course. No, but you seem, obviously, it's a lot of experience, a lot of mistakes, but you seem switched on and know the right patterns now. Yeah, but of course I get it wrong. Do you know what, though? most of my mistakes haven't been when I've bought. Most of my mistakes have been when I've sold. Because I've bought shit property, which you needed a full rewire and I didn't know or I had a lot of cracks and I didn't find it. I needed a massive refurb or I overpaid. But in 10 years, the market has corrected my mistakes for me and it's doubled. I told you I sold a load of watches and a load of Bitcoin.

2:07:48Rob Moore:after lockdown. I didn't know it was good. We'd not had a lockdown in what, a hundred years or whatever. I'd not had a lockdown in my life. So you could say, well, how would I know? I thought I was doing the right thing because, you know, what I'd learned is when it's recessions and depressions, you need cash. And it felt like the lockdown was going to create a recession or a depression. So I got cash, but it did the opposite. Load of assets went up. I wasn't to know that. So most of my mistakes are when I have had an opportunity to buy and didn't, or when I sold and I shouldn't. And even when I've bought something that's too expensive or I bought it too late.

2:08:29Rob Moore:I'll give you an example. I've got a Ferrari Testarossa. And I remember when they were 50 grand and 60 grand and 80 grand and 90 grand. And I could have bought one and I didn't. And in the end, I bought one at 105 grand. Now it's 180 grand. and I saw the Ferrari 355. I remember when they were 30 grand and I had the opportunity to buy one and I didn't. And now they're 100 grand. But I'm still going to buy one because they'll be 200 grand, 500 grand in five, 10 or 20 years. So if you lament and you, oh, well, the reason I'm not buying now is because I should have bought before and it was the wrong time now and now silver's gone up too much and now gold has gone up too much and now it's the wrong time.

2:09:09Rob Moore:Well, you never fucking buy anything. There's an awful we ever wear off. buying watches buying cars does they ever get thinking that or do you still enjoy it no I still enjoy it because I always remember when I got my first car the Rover yeah and I've never been happier no matter what I drive now I just fucking loved it my first car it was like three grand it was my pride and joy it had hubcaps you remember hubcaps yeah I ended up buying you hubcaps it was like five spoke but yeah I just fucking loved it I loved that feeling when I hurt like 10 ,000 views on a podcast I remember that feeling But after that, anything bigger and better, it just doesn't have the same impact.

2:09:47Rob Moore:No, it doesn't, but it still has an impact. I agree. I remember when I cleared my 50 grand of debt in a year and then I made nearly 100 grand and I bought a Nissan 350Z for cash, 19 grand. I don't think I've had any pound for pound pleasure that's ever met that since. Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins now. But I think that's normal. It's like maybe the first person you fell in love with, you can't replicate that experience. But that's okay. I still enjoy it. All right, now maybe I need to buy a 200-gram watch to get the same pleasure as a 5-gram watch when I started. That's just the way it is.

2:10:26Rob Moore:Then that's okay. I'm still going to fucking buy loads of watches and cars. Because what else, other than his family, what else is a man going to spend his money on? Hookers and cookies. Well, there you go. They're my alternatives to those. Let's talk about the Alexander McQueen stuff Because you always wear the shirts, the hoodies That's all you seem to buy Why? Well, when I was 39 years and 363 days old Two days before my 40th birthday I watched McQueen A brilliant documentary Fucking If anyone's watching, make a note You have to watch that documentary the most real life documentary of someone wildly successful but wildly tortured which is a lot of people he might as well have been a rock star and i remember watching it and going it finished and i just sat there in my bed for like half an hour i didn't move i was like fucking wow and and i used to be an artist and i quite like like rock music and he's there was art and and rock and rebellion in his brand i'm kind of like quite a loyal guy like i always wear these labutin shoes over and over it's easier because you don't have to work what am i going to buy all buy the same stuff but i like to stay fucking loyal to a brand you know and like maybe there's something about that rebellious disruptive brand that's a bit like me um and so i'm like right i'm only buying mcqueen now that is it everything else can fuck off i'm only buying mcqueen problem is it's like fucking expensive and then at the same time i thought well um maybe it'd be good on social media to have a consistent thing that is a consistent brand but people aren't really sure about that everyone will talk about which everyone does everyone seems interested to talk about what i wear um just because this is called the harness.

2:12:28Rob Moore:I mean, they do other stuff that's not a harness, but I have this, I have like 20 of the shirts, 15 of the polos, load of the jackets. Yeah, the documentary's powerful. It shows you someone truly losing themselves in their craft. I think you've got to be psychotic. I think you've got to be sort of on the spectrum. Yeah. For the people I interview, like the millionaires and the billionaires, there is an element of they're not quite right in the head. There's got to be, but they're not... It's not completely in tune, but they know. It's like patterns and memory. It's fucking weird, but it's hard to pinpoint.

2:13:05But there's something different. There's something different than who they are. There's something different than their mannerisms, you know, which makes them who they are. And you've seen that in McQueen completely. And it's sad he was suicide, wasn't he? Well, 40 years old.

2:13:19Rob Moore:I watched the documentary when I was about to be 40 in two days. He was 40 years old. and on the evening of his mum's funeral, he hung himself in his wardrobe. Yeah, I mean, like, if that doesn't move you, do you have a soul? And we all have to suffer for our art. I'm good friends with Robin Sharma, you know, who wrote The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari and every time he comes to London, we go on these long walks together. He's like, you know, he's like four foot six, like Yoda, basically. so fucking wise and um he's like rob you know every time i write my books i just suffer but i know i've got to suffer and sometimes i find myself trying to avoid the suffering you know like editing content you know sitting for hours doing this you know like the more you suffer for your art, the better your art will be.

2:14:20Rob Moore:And I believe all entrepreneurs, all business, I believe this is an art form. He suffered, unfortunately, too much. I think you can suffer, but not to that level. And I think in this, like you said, with wokeism, I think we've lost the fact that suffering is a part of our art. And the struggle is what gives you the sense of fulfillment he fucking suffered and it reminds me every time I wear it you know suffer for your art make sure your art is good but stay on the right side of suffering so you're supporting his sort of suffering I think his name's even bigger now than it was which is mad but I think you'll tend to see with a lot of artists or whatever when they pass their things become bigger and they become yeah that's a weird thing for me how when they're here it's not that they don't get the credit But the credit Is given more When they're not here Instead of Showing them how good they are Because I think he suffered Even Elvis You watch Elvis Michael Jackson Their biggest fear Was not being Supported Or what if everybody Forgot them I think Elvis says that What if I was forgotten But yeah It was the most It was the Most popular He was ever at And his fear was That not everybody Would forget him Like it's fucking mad For anybody watching Brother That's in a lethal struggle What advice would you have For them

2:15:43Rob Moore:everything that's rattling through your brain that you're suffering with write it down that's the first process of dealing with issues getting clear then take the two biggest things and do two things one is go and talk to someone who either will listen to you without judgment or is qualified to help in that area. And then two, go and do something to face whatever that top thing is. What do you think of the state of the UK is, don't you? I think it's fucked. I think it really is. I think the police is, if not corrupt, useless. Underfunded is probably a big reason why. and this petty crime is basically legal now in the uk that's terrible the economy is not growing don't believe when you get fudged figures that the economy is growing you know that everything that you're having to buy is going up your taxes are going up i think that we're in a socialist state if not moving towards a communist state which never ends well i don't think we're producing anything jaguar land rover are fucked what what companies have we got left what do we do and build in the uk and we're not producing our own energy which is why our own energy is really expensive i think the mood is low like you said the word vibration the vibration is really low there's a lot of fear that people are sad people don't want like everything is just doom um the only way out of that for a lot of people is to go on holiday and then you just come back with more debt when you put it all on your credit card um social media is perpetuating it with what you go on x and it's just so extreme um so the uk is in a mess and there's one solution get rich people say money doesn't make you happy it fucking does and if you think it doesn't do an experiment get rich and then you're like oh no actually it doesn't make me happy then give it all away and go broke again.

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2:19:40Yeah Is it money school, is that what it's called? Yeah, it is So how can people get involved so what's all your social media links like I say for people who watch your podcast people maybe drop you a message on social media you've done some great podcasts everybody go and check them out listen thoroughly enjoyed it as well but what's all your links first and foremost so my name is Rob Moore

2:19:57Rob Moore:and you can find me on every social media and my handles are usually Rob Moore Progressive you can find me on Amazon because I've written loads of books on business my podcast is called Disruptors and yeah 10 year anniversary coming soon but for all the money stuff and the practical stuff money.school that's just the link money.school how many books have you written? 19 is that it? is that it? well I've actually written 20 and when the cameras are off I'll tell you about the 20th perfect can you send me a couple of your books as well? yeah sure I'm not business savvy I just love interviewing people yeah I know what I'm doing is right I know how to well you learn a lot doing what you do don't you?

2:20:41yeah yeah yeah and I think if I put the foot down on something I think I would fucking smash it you know yeah anything I put my mind to but I just love the better freedom as well of switching off that's why we do so many we've got four podcasts today one tomorrow two yesterday it gives me some freedom to go home and enjoy time with my dogs and my kids and yeah switch off you know because it can consume you and we spoke about it's okay having the madness but when you go past that line Like I could do so many videos Every day And I just think Fuck that Yeah Like live I need to ground myself sometimes And enjoy the process Yeah Because I don't feel as if You can enjoy it as much When you're constantly ahead Fully in the game And that's all it is for me It's a game But Rob listen Thoroughly enjoyed your story I think you're doing amazing You should be proud Of how far you've come Would you like to finish up On anything else?

2:21:28Rob Moore:I would just say If you don't risk anything You risk everything Brother Thank you Listen I wish you all the best For the future Thank you God bless and take care Cheers