Tommy Robinson EXPOSES False Accusations and Saves Muslim Man Mo Rammy

32:45If you've got my baby inside, I want to help you. I want to this. I want to that. So when you go through what's being said, there's nothing being said that would give any evidence to the fact of what she's claiming. Least of all, again, least of all, the problem is, you see, if she hadn't falsely accused Jordan Trengrove and falsely accused a boy at school and falsely accused someone else, he'd probably be in jail. I'd be hanged up. Like you, they were trying to remind me that day. after they've had me 40 hours in questioning and I've gone in, it was disgusting the questioning was disgusting I don't think that was professional any of it, the lady officer turned around and she goes to me, how's your sex life with your partner you use I thought, what do you mean by use you know, you're like what do you mean by use you're like younger girls don't you, your culture your religion, I thought well no hang on, what's I got to do with religion and culture I said no, I'm into my older women And I said, you know what?

33:39If I have an affair... And I did. You know what I said? I swear to God, this is just so quiet. I go... I kind of... I'm sort of, fuck this. I'm not listening to this. I'm not sitting here listening to this. I just went, you know what, love? I think you're a bit frustrated, aren't you? I don't think... How's your sex life? Are you getting it at all? Then the male office speaks up and he goes... It's a bit inappropriate. I went, is it inappropriate? I said, the question you're fucking asking me, aren't it inappropriate? I can't ask this. I said, you know what? I'll tell you something. And she goes...

34:04they thought, oh, he's going to confess something. I said, you know what? I was, if I did have an affair, probably with Nicola's mum, because I'm into all the women. I said, she's 80 odd now, so I'll probably be her next. And that was, that's what I had to do. That was just me. I come out of your house and said, like I said, when I walked out of his house, I said, he reminds me of myself when I went through all the stuff he's done, because I thought that's how, and I thought that's how he's dealing with it. Like, because I think these protests are going on, they're all calling him, accusing him of being a paedophile.

34:31He's gone down his ice cream van and put the ice cream van lights on as he's driving past waving that yeah we was at the MEP elections I got and jumped in the van I thought fucking Chubby is he right is he I'm going to go and see him so I just put my jingle on drove around on my back but it makes you angry and you feel as if you've got to stand at the forefront to prove that you're innocent so if you cower away then you're already defeated you may as well be in the fucking the nonsense wing do you know what I mean how hard was it for you to see somebody who was innocent getting through under the bus does that ever make you question because you were at the forefront with grooming gangs and did that make you question think more?

35:10It definitely made me so previously to this I'd done an investigation in Telford where I spent 12 to 18 months with 12 girls who were all been victims and I detailed their stories and only when the men were named by three did I go after the men because I thought we've got victim A victim C victim F they don't even know each other they're all telling me that Bugsy this man has done this this and this so then I know because you can never I could never go to a town take one girl sitting here saying he's done this because I don't know what motive she may have I don't know what's happened for her to be saying that I can't go but it did make me even think more when I was sat in his house thinking Jesus bruv like the effect of being labelled like this the effect of being labelled like this without a trial I said so what he's faced is trial by public opinion I face that all the time but not for nothing like this so I face that and I can still walk around but would I be able to walk around with sexual allegations against me where everyone bought into them where everyone believed I was a nonce because he's in his town where everyone believes he's a nonce but then still a lot of people are still coming up to me saying no he fucking isn't he's a lad he's a jack the lad he sticks it in your face a bit he's a hot so I said but that doesn't make him a child trafficker so even when I sat with other people yeah but he's this and he's done this and he's like this and this is sort of I said that don't make him a paedophile people wanted you to be a yeah they did no they did a lot of people wanted them to see that case as well Tommy when you were outside with a camera and people were saying you could have jeopardised could you have jeopardised that does that make you think about the victims just in case you did no so people have been lied to about that case what I said is these men are innocent I exceed my words these men are innocent to prove them guilty they might walk out of that court and go home I'm not saying I'm not presuming they're guilty at all what I'm saying is here's what they've been charged with this is how many of them there are this is the crimes they're alleged to have done I said alleged the whole time and as they walked in I said how do you feel about your verdict Now, previously to that, there had been a court case a few years before where when they're coming in, I said, you paedophiles.

37:07I was angry. They come in. One of them tried to square up. And I did presume their guilt. Yeah. But that wasn't this. So that was another. And it was before any trial. So there was no jury. But I realised I went on a training course myself before this last court case when I questioned them. I put myself in a training course with the best law firm in London because I'm a citizen journalist. I've become a journalist. I don't know laws around court. I didn't know any of this stuff. So when I had my first thing down in Canterbury Court, which was a, there was a case where five men, a young girl was 15 and she was drunk and she got lost.

37:40She went and took a bab shop and said, do you know the way to this? They took her upstairs, five of them. They all raped her, yeah? Now this was, they were on bail. So they're on bail. This is the case. They're on bail. So I find out they're on bail. They changed the name of the shop. Just changed the name of the shop. So I went down, I looked and I spoke to a shop next door. I said, the school girl's going here. They said, yeah. yeah. I said, so at the end of school, there's kids in here. I said, yeah. I said, all right. So for me, I wanted to warn the people. So I waited outside the court the next day, stood on the steps, said there's men on bail.

38:09They're running a chicken shop. Yeah. And they're on bail for these allegations. Now, all those men were convicted. They got 20 years in jail. Yeah. They found all their DNA. She was raped in every hole she had. She was brutally raped and destroyed. One of them fled the country whilst he was on bail. Now I was arrested. I went home from this little reporter done outside the court and they come from my door at six in the morning. dragged me before the judge in Canterbury and he'd done me contempt of court for filming because my feet were on the steps of the court so I thought I don't know any of these laws so I put myself on a course spent thousands put myself on a course for the best law firm in London to teach me about contempt of court to teach me what I can and can't do you can't presume guilt because you'll jeopardise the trial I found out all the things I had to do so when I went to Leeds this is years later I'd done everything I was meant to do I went in I took a photo of the screen because there was no mention of a reporting restriction and my issue was these reporting restrictions which does it does it change my mind on that probably in the sense that I don't think any man accused of rape their name should be out there now yeah after seeing what's happened to him after seeing what's happened to Jordan Trengrif after witnessing it myself until they're convicted by a jury then they should not have their lives destroyed yeah that's because until they're convicted so but before yeah because I yeah before I probably wouldn't have been of that opinion because every trial that come up or any name that come up, I guess I was presuming they're guilty myself.

39:26Why do you think there's not much support for men, male, especially with things like this? Because no matter, that girl's got a guilty, you're still going to have those question marks over your head, no matter what you do. Why is there no support for men? Because girls should be getting bigger sentences for a male getting a rape charge and getting four years, five years. Girls should be getting fucking double. They're destroying lice for accusations. They make it worse for victims. Why do you think men, we get the rough end of the stick? Because if a girl says that that's like your charge you're done you're done why do you think male don't get the support that we should be getting as well the sensitivity of the of the accusation isn't it it's the me too movement yeah it's when I went up to Jordan Trengrove and I found out that say like Maggie Oliver's organisation were fully supporting Ellie yes they were so Jordan Trengrove sends her all the information that she's been falsely accused of rape she continues supporting Ellie no one supports Jordan Trengrife.

40:23No one supports... I said each time, has anyone contacted you? Any organisations? Any groups? Anyone counselling? Not a single thing. So for two years, these men, and the police are fully aware, the councillor are aware that this girl has falsely accused them with the evidence was untold evidence. So just so... Because some people are still watching this thinking it's true. For example, when she went to Blackpool, she said she was traff... I'll let you explain. This has all come out in court. It's ridiculous. She goes, she travelled to Blackpool under my orders. She was trafficked and groomed there.

40:52And yet she got a train that she booked on her own phone. The best thing is she had two phones. One was from Women's Community Matters. This is a charity now that her nan's a trustee of. And it's a safe phone. So every phone call you make and every message you send is manuscripted. So it's all getting logged somewhere. So she's now sending messages from this phone to her normal phone, pretending it's me, telling her, go there, do this. So she books herself in Savoy on the booking.com. That's the IP address and the VPN is linked to her mum's address. Gets to the booking.com. Goes to her, walks her down, has a new, an ASEAN registration of cars, the seat at Ibiza, the court they told us.

41:36She basically sees the car and she's seen, stop, looking at the seat at Ibiza, black one, jots down the number plate, carries on walking. Goes and buys Bombay Bad Boys pot noodles. This is now offensive to me. go go and get Bombay fucking bannock right just don't do that

41:57then goes back to the hotel and watches iPlayer on YouTube all night and then gets back on the train gets back to Barrow and tells the mum comes and ends up saying that she's been trafficked and raped something's going on it's not right it's not that it's hard to know who's funding that as well travel costs and all the other shit was she working was she working See, I started getting down this rabbit hole thinking this is all a setup. Yeah. This is all a setup. Could it have been competition with people you're worth? I think it is. I think it originally started off like that. That's good to have been just being manipulated and just a boy getting used.

42:33Yeah, yeah. I went down the other one where I started suspecting that this is a setup and a honey trap. They don't care about him getting done or they don't care about the accusations. But this will damage any future cases. Yeah. so that was my concern when I got there I thought well hold on if she is lied about this and she's lying about this how are any other girls going to feel they can come forward because everyone's going to say I like Barrow yeah I like Barrow that's what's going to come from this which was my concern my concern is girls aren't going to feel like they can come forward and talk now they're going to be presumed that they're lying and these cases are genuine in the majority of the cities when it's gone on again with multiple other victims but as I said I couldn't find any other victims in Barrow and I spent time there and spoke to everyone and was questioning everyone and the lies, so Jordan Trengrove, she falsely accused him of rape, sets him up, creates evidence.

43:26When they find out it's all fake, they come and bring him to court, he gets discharged from the court and that's when they arrest her. So I went to the demonstration that was going on and... That's the first demonstration. The first demonstration. Did you know she was getting the jail? Did you know she was getting the jail? No, I didn't even know she was getting done for preventing the court of justice. Did you know that? I knew, yeah. I knew and I didn't know Mo so I knew all these other names yeah but I didn't know about Mo till after when I come to your house yeah yeah I got the files like that given to me when did she get charged with that?

44:00ages before wasn't it no I see what I think that's when I looked at it I thought you falsely accused three men of rape yeah now you're getting done for it so what fits the day before you know this charge is coming she knows what she's done it was Muslims and they trafficked me that's what I thought that's clever because now you've got the public support yeah whereas you and that's the reason why you've said these men raped you that's why I thought that's why I was trying but many times I was going down different piles thinking what's she doing what is this has this gone on why has she done that but then my main concern was this is going to discredit many victims this is going to be a absolute catastrophe for victims of sexual exploitation in towns and cities that have happened in control of Muslim gangs yeah that's my thing I thought this is terrible yeah that's terrible their life's fucked off it and I don't think I don't think any media who could have come out there were no restrictions they could have come out and made it very clear to people what had gone on previously the dad the mum knew what had gone on a lot of people in that town knew what had gone on but no one mentioned it so the way it looked no one knew she'd falsely accused other men no one knew everyone thought when they were reading false accusations she's in prison for false accusations they all think it's false accusations against Mo Rami Muslim man Muslim man Muslim business Muslim business so that's the way it was portrayed to the whole British public and not the British public the world public the world public Rwanda they went to Rwanda they did on YouTube I can't believe it somebody sent me a link and there's like four Rwanda guys and they're doing Justice Frehley Justice Frehley we're doing a dance man we're doing the walk and I'm like you are I just looked at Nicholas I said love I said what can you Rwanda right it's ridiculous life spreads around the world how difficult is it going to be you know you're taught Tommy for exposing grooming gangs and you've always been at the forefront how does that then change your motives to then your journalism kind of thing it doesn't change mine I just hope it doesn't it can affect it because people will then use this card that yeah it's fake yeah yeah it's definitely it's opened the door to that now it has it's opened the door to it but what it's also done is given or has the opportunity to give a voice to men Muslim or non-Muslim who have been in this position who are up and down the country, lots of men are in this position.

46:15Lots of men have lost their livelihoods, their jobs, their reputations, their careers, everything through false accusations. It's a very complex issue because you've got women who are victims, but then you've also got some twisted women who are making things up. There has to be some sort of protection given where men are not named until after their verdict. Because mud sticks, mud stuck against Mo. I said to Jordan, so Jordan's been cleared. When I go to Jordan's house, he's been cleared. He hasn't done anything. Everyone's still calling him a pedo. I went to the demonstration, 2 ,000 people, and I asked all Ellie's friends, who's Jordan Trengrove?

46:48And they said, he raped Ellie. I said, he raped Ellie, did he? I said, if he raped Ellie, how come he hasn't been prosecuted? Well, his mum threatened Ellie at the train station. This whole elaborate lie that Ellie's told everyone. And then, so she didn't turn up at court, and that's why he got off. And I'm sitting there, and I think, no, I've read everything. He didn't get off because there was no case bought, because she falsified evidence. And then, even now, people are using. This is when I can see how the power of this, the power of the media, because I could have easily made it look a certain way.

47:16So if I went there with my narrative, which is what the mainstream journalists do all the time. They've got their story before they get somewhere and they make it fit. I've watched them do it. I've watched them do it against me. I've watched them do it against lots of people. And that is dangerous. And you can see, and I see in this case how easy that is. How easy to take a couple of statements from there, a couple of lines from there, a couple of lines from there and think, yeah, there you go. Boom, boom, boom. And people are doing it now. that's how that's how they stitched me up I watched the video yesterday on the build up of it that's how they were doing it yeah yeah dirtying the character first of all yeah filthying up the character with accusations accusations which are all hearsay yeah there's lots of accusations but the problem is and I watched this video yesterday you sent me as well yeah yeah and I thought this geezer knows nothing about this case at all hasn't researched any of the statements doesn't know the actual lies this girl's told hasn't met anyone in it and here he is saying it's all bullshit and that they're guilty yeah and that's still so still now people will be calling him a PIVA still now people will be saying he's got off still now yeah so you've covered it up it's been a mass cover up that's why I know that people I know that people will trust in what I'm saying in the investigation and I've said from the start I've said from the minute nothing this girl says can destroy another man's life yeah that doesn't mean she's not been a victim somewhere along the line to somebody yeah because she's certainly messed up she passed tests she's not She's not mentally unwell.

48:39She's had three psychiatric reports. She's had three psychiatric reports. And now the defence have asked for an independent one, which I'm sure the prosecution will cross it. Cross it. Cross it. Cross it. Yeah. But even when she was questioned about having a hammer, and she goes, oh, beating yourself up. And her statement is, I'm not psychotic. I won't beat myself up with a hammer. Didn't she send a message to her mum? Didn't she send a message? That was when, yeah, I was saying that before, when her mother got arrested in mid-trial. Yeah. And she had sent a letter. They found a letter. and this was brought up in court that she basically wrote a letter from prison to her sister saying, take the hammer, it's in such and such a place, give it to mum, mum knows what to do with it and needs to get to my solicitor.

49:19So now there's these two hammers. One hammer was found, then they brought another one to kind of say, no, this is the hammer she's got. Again, that's preventing the course of justice. It's preventing the course of justice, perjury. Has the mum been charged? No, mum was, this is the funny part, isn't it? So mum's been arrested, right? And she said, I can't say that because she sent an email to somebody and so mum's been picked up, mid trial she was at 7, 8, 8.7 perverted cause of justice charges she goes guilty on 1 mum's released, so there's a plea deal so mum's been released then she's pleaded guilty on 1 so now it drops to 6 instead it went up to 8 so she's going guilty of one and eight perverted the cause of charges and justice charges going on so when she got when she got the verdict she got on nine charges nine accounts so see when she got guilty like what was going through your mind then a three years of torture kind of coming to her head yeah is that a relief or were you kind of tired it was it was a relief that to me was going up because yeah when they tell you he gets all of it now because he talks to missing kids and everything.

50:34They tell him, you know, it consumed my life. You know, imagine a man for three years sits in his living room till six o 'clock in the morning, seven o 'clock till they get up and then I go to bed because I'm watching that thing here. I call it paranoid to call it, but I'm not. And then I'm watching everything on social media. Every social media, I've got laptops there. See there, a fucking wind blow a piece of a can of pass my door and I'd be downstairs with a bloody hammer or a pipe or something. Somebody's in the shop or somebody's in me house. It's not right. It's not. It's not a nice way to live in.

51:11It must be true. Yeah, because you could have got remanded, you could have lost your son and then you get away with it. Your life's not ruined because she's been found guilty. It does take time but these podcasts are good for that. Yeah. I know you're a Muslim man as well. We'll touch on the religion side of things. What has been a Muslim to you? You know what? When they arrested me and I got banged up, and probably on the CCTV there, the first thing I did was I asked for the codes of practice, got my pen and paper, I jotted a few things down. I thought to myself, you know, I've been in that a few times in the cop shop and stuff.

51:44I know the thing. I thought, this one, this is a big one. This, I've never, this, I don't know. I did my abolution. They have in the cell, they have an arrow, say, that way. So I just got that blue mat, the plastic thing. I faced that way. I did my two nuffle, they call it. and to me that's just an extra prayer you do and i said god i know i've done that right oh and again

52:11please forgive me well i'm not but i haven't done this this this that's what they're saying i've not done this so hey i'm afraid faith is blind i believe in god i love is and i don't push on anybody it's my my belief you know i'm a western man as well living in western society so So I've got my balance of my religion and my culture and my culture. I've got my parents' culture. I've got tradition. I've got values. I've got morals. And I've got my religion. And I think if you put it all together, it's a very good concoction. But it's how you interpret it. It's how you interpret it, interpret it.

52:48If I want to misinterpret it, you know, I don't agree with the radicalisms. I don't agree with anything that's radical. Or, you know, the bombings and the killings. No, no, totally wrong. Islam does not say that and you know that as well it does sometimes mate it worked

53:05let's do another one when I started looking at him I went through all of his Facebook and I went back years and I found he was very pro he had Winston Churchill quotes he was celebrating when it was in Georgia's Day at any event he was pro which he was very patriotic he come across as very patriotic and then I come across and he stand there it was hilarious for me because I'm looking through this is years before and his name everyone knows him as Rami he's wearing mare chains when I'm standing as an MEP he's got his mare chains on and he's called himself Rami Robinson this is years before he's mucking me off mucking me off years before I'm looking through thinking he's a cheeky fucker who's this cheeky fucker I actually cheated with him that was on the page you changed your name on Facebook I changed his book as well for about six months I kept him as Rami Robinson so he's on a wind up but that's his character as you can see with being with Rami like how has it changed anything with you has it changed certain people certain beliefs because obviously look he's a good guy he's made his mistakes he's fucked up he admits that people always presume that I judge all Muslims as one big group yeah I talk about Islam I separate the ideology from the people as I've and people many of the times I've met some of my best mates are Muslim lots of people I love growing up are Muslim yeah so but people have this opinion that I just automatically hate Muslims because of the English defense league, because of my stance on the religion, because of these things.

54:33So me and Mo, it confirmed that, it confirmed how important it is that accusations are not made against people without every bit of evidence, which everyone does, I think. Everyone would have done over the years. And also, I guess, it also confirmed that. And it's been a difficult one because you've got these groups in all these towns. there are victims in all these towns and my first of all a concern has been with these girls yeah and what's happening to them and then i've seen i've have looked at the other side of it because there's been quite a few men found not guilty in these trials as well yeah in these grooming trials so there's been men discharged but lots of people would still presume their guilt i guess yeah they've been found not guilty in a court of law yeah so that some people including myself probably still thinking i think i think you've done it yeah without knowing every single detail of evidence because we haven't gone for every detail of evidence.

55:24We've just read the headline like most people do. So yeah, it's been, the whole thing was, all I knew, he's a character, he's a lovely man, he's got a lovely family. Right's right and truth's truth and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if I, as I said, I went there with a list of men's names to find dirt on them and dig on them. Yeah. What, for sexual exploitation? For sexual exploitation. For rape. Yeah, you went to Exposon. I went to Exposon. How much was your religion? used on this case? No, I won't say much, really. It was in the sense of, not me personally, but as a general, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:02Oh God, yeah. The Muslim grooming gang. See, that's the thing, isn't it? That gives it traction. There's loads of grooming gangs. There's African grooming gangs. There's white grooming gangs. They're all over. I do believe, now, being put into this, before I was the guy that, you know, something like this, it repulsed me. I've got a daughter at the age of 22. I've got 18 nieces. You know, it's how many? 80 years. See what I'm on about? Demographics.

56:32I've got one. We're breeding our rabbits.

56:37It's a tickle, man. Double it with numbers. Do you know what the dangerous thing is? And this is the government's fault and this is the police's fault. Because of their inability and their unwillingness to deal with real crimes that have been happening for decades, and what has been a cover-up, that's why everyone believed this is a cover-up. That's why everyone didn't trust the police. If you'd have been truthful in your job for the last 30 years in Rotherham, in Telford, in all these towns and cities, and you'd just have dealt with criminals as criminals when they're doing these crimes and not covered them up for sake of diversity and not hid these crimes, we live in a dangerous time now where no one believes the media, no one believes them on the...

57:18I'll say it begins with co and ends in D and you stick it in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had to bleep. I know, because they'll delete it. That was an excuse to take it down. But that's an insanity times we live in, yeah? But no one trusts anything, which is dangerous times because innocent people's lives are being destroyed, probably left, right and centre across the country, because of everyone's suspicion of what's true because no one knows what's true anymore. They've dirtied the line so much that you listen to the media, you see the news, and I think you're lying. So when you see this, and if it suits people's narrative of what they believe, then it fits it and unfortunately that's it it's narrative unfortunately for this it fitted it when did you start believing in Tommy and trusting him because you must have been sceptical especially the work that you've done you must have been thinking 100 % like I said I was one of his fucking this is a half shit job shut it down I was one of you know it's like with lads I was telling him last night and I used to be like Tommy Robertson is this this I'm telling my kids I've never met him because you're seeing on social media I was just saying mate I used to buy a short film three four years ago he's brought my podcast more than fucking anybody I don't know.

58:21Messaging every day, fucking backing him on Twitter. I don't know. Maybe he's just fucking brainwashed. Yeah, but there you go. Media, didn't it? Media, yeah. But you know what it was? When he'd gone and said to me, come home, we sat down, it's like we say, I'm going to have to shave my hair off. I can look like a thug, meeting somebody, not me, I had to go and shave my hair. I even got a bow, a hoodie that day. I don't wear hundies. This is me, this is my normal dress sense. I had to go and meet somebody, I had got my hair shaved, got a hoodie, I thought, I love the part. What's in that? Mental.

58:55But you know what? It's what you just said earlier. And when he sat in my living room and he looked over at my kids and everything and he just, me and, because you were the horses, and by the time you come back and just me and my boys there, they're downstairs, he walks in, we've had that bloody thing at the door, shut me and shut the kids' hands and he just looks at him, walks up, first he complimented, he goes, nice house, man, like it. Very nice. I'm your interior designer, I know why now. and he just stood and looked at my boys. He didn't speak to me. He just stood and looked at my lads and this is where I judge from, my man's character.

59:27When he looked at my lads, I thought, is he weighing them up? Is he going to be a scuffle? Oh, no, he just looked and he sits down, sits down, he goes, how's it affecting them? That's his first, his opening line in my front room, I think it was something along the line, how they're doing. Why? Why? Because I just, because I thought, because I know how it affects mine. So I know how, when people are lying about me, I think that's affecting my kids. When the media print a story that's bullshit, it's affecting my kids. So I've already know that there's certainly big discrepancies and possibilities that this is a lie.

1:00:01And then you've got a family who's, and I look and think, how do you do it as a kid? I probably still don't even know if they know how they've dealt with it or really took in the adverse effect of it. Because that's one, the worst thing you could ever be caught. And every young boy looks up to their dads. So to him, that's his hero. no matter what even if you do wrong you're still you're your son's hero so your hero is now being called a nonce by the whole town is that still something you struggle with to be honest with you I do I just it's I'm getting back out there I was a very sociable person the whole thing is because I was in hospitality I had restaurants I had wine bars I had nightclubs in Borough you know in the town centre and I was always out I was we should go out three, four times a time.

1:00:48Then obviously you've self-imprisoned ourselves. And now getting out of that, for me, in Barrow, I find it difficult. I do find it difficult. Even though I've got good staunch mates there as well, English lads. And you know what? They're exactly going through the same thing. Russ, Rick, Wilson, everything. You know, one of them's even sons. One of their lads, Rick, Wilson, Frankie, wasn't it? A mate of mine, right? And he stood up for me. And he knew what was happening with me. and at the age of 13, that kid has been called, oh, you're Paki lovers. Attacks. In school, man. Dad, oh, your dad supports paedophiles, Paki paedophiles.

1:01:25Now, Frankie, that lad was going through that and then Rick contacted me one day and he goes, Ramay, he stands up for the right things and he goes, it's pissed me off, but you know, my kid's getting bullied now, but I just want you to know, if I can't, I'm not going to say, but I'm always on your sport, I'm here for you, but I'm not going to be on the social media thing because he's getting attacked. I thought, which is fair enough. I understand that. But Rick, thank you very much. You've done that. But how shit's that though, man? That these people were now sending their kids. So anybody that spoke up to me to pick on their kids and then two of the lads, and they were very sociable, did loads of events and stuff.

1:02:00And they feel like disconnected with Barrow now. And it's not nice, is it? It's the whole thing of it. And everyone can say now, oh, you know, we're sorry. or, you know, all the friend requests are coming back. I had like 2 ,500, 3 ,000 people on my Facebook, which is not as big as him. I'm banned. I ain't got any. But it was, then you're just watching everybody come in, declining, declining, declining. You're thinking, hang on, you're going to Tesco. It used to wind it up when I used to go to, go and get a couple of things if I'm going to the big Tesco. It used to wind it up because I won't be back for about an hour.

1:02:35Every aisle I'll stop and talk to somebody. And I'm going in and nobody's looking at me. Nobody's just looking at me. And I'm thinking, I thought, this isn't right. What the hell's happening here? You know, even the people that you're looking at, I'm letting on, I can't tell you. You're thinking, oh, they are believing. But it has big accusations, so people are probably just protecting themselves. But if you've got somebody's back, man, you don't turn on them. Like I say, if they get a guilt and then you go, do you know what, I fucked up, I'm sorry. But when it's those accusations, man, like...

1:03:05Everyone's doing it now, isn't it? Yeah. Everyone's doing now over a certain age. We've been at the forefront. We've kind of had his back. People are hammering me. Even my own supporters are hammering me. And I'm saying, especially with this case, you cannot judge what's going on until you see every bit of evidence. And I'm sorry, but so far, everything don't add up with this case. So you want me to what? And I said to my own supporters in the comments, I lost so many. We had monthly subscribers. They all cancelled. And I said, you want me to hang them out? Based on what the media are telling me?

1:03:37You want me to hang someone based on what the media are telling you about sexual allegations? It's not happening, man. It's not happening. No, not until the proof's not there. You can't do it until the proof's not there. And if the proof's there, then okay. But it's not. But like I said, I spoke to his lawyer then as well a couple of days ago. There's no evidence whatsoever. People have came forward and said, the girls who got jailed that day, they were all partying in the house. There's videos that are all partying in the house. Yeah, and the police have took the CCTV for the last nine months and won't give it back.

1:04:04And there's Romanian police. Yeah, it looks as if they're keeping him to try and find something. They're trying to get something to stick. Because if they let him out without any chances, he's going to become so big. He's going to be ten times bigger than what he is. But he'll struggle. Will he struggle with his character? But these are the worst kind of accusations. And again, it's like, again, I just think that, when I spoke to yourself, I spoke to Jordan, I said, how do you stop this happening to another man? How do you stop it happening to another man? Because it doesn't matter if you've been found not guilty.

1:04:34You might have sticks. Now, hopefully most cases have gone that big that everyone gets to see the evidence that's gone on and get to see that this was a lie. But in other towns and cities, when a man's accused of rape, it doesn't matter if he gets off. He's still viewed as rape. Rapist. People say, well, yeah, okay. They still believe it. So there has to be some sort of, something has to be put in to protect men from having to go through what any of these families have had to go through. What was your friend saying when you started teaming up with Tommy? Oh, it's a mix. It's a mix. majority of my real friends close friends and then the associates they're like me mentally wise we have the similar kind of intelligence and they were like open view go with an open open thingy and have her sit down and discuss and you know you're both sensible you'll know they were always like you'll know some of my mates actually love him well you know some of them Billy and all them they love him they've always loved him and we're like we're having arguments with our own it's Tommy Robinson he's done this he's done that and he was like annoying the kids you don't know what he's doing you have got some support I look at the comments it's 95 % love from every background every religion it's not a case of the first podcast we done three years ago it was kind of I've seen the people who were supporting it now it's changed man it genuinely has I think people question everything now since can't say the word yeah since that since that since Ukraine I think I said myself I'll look at the world differently now I just think you're lying to us about everything so what changes then for you going forward for the future with everything that you've done in the past?

1:06:03For me, I'd just continue my journalism. People trust what I say more than any other journalist in this country, I believe. I believe that the public trust in what I'm saying, so if I put science together and say this is what I've found, then people trust it. I've got two episodes to finish. One, I'm going to absolutely ruin the council in Telford. Exposed them so bad with what I've got. Which shows why it was allowed to happen in Telford. When you see at the top, there's allegations going all the way to at the top. But I just want to continue my work and my journalism. So somebody who's came at the forefront and stood by your side when everybody will turn their back, when you see Tommy getting attacked, how do you feel?

1:06:40Oh, well, I know when the people call him racist, I stand up for that. I'll challenge that. I question it. Anybody that I know, and I've said to him, I will stand up anywhere and say Tommy's not racist. Don't say that. It's not true. And he's got his views on the Islam thing. That's is that's we're still into talking negotiations maybe I might might persuade to change certain views certain views nah

1:07:12I'll make you an apostate for what happens

1:07:17but have a view I might have to back up with Andrew Tate I know I'm waiting for that that's why I was lining up Andrew Tate the clash but no that's his that's his thing I don't think if you understand what he goes against when he talks about islam and muslims he goes about the radicals he ain't talking about muslim like me he ain't talking about muslim like my son he ain't talking about us normal real muslims he's talking about the radical muslims and that i would stand with him if he was doing going there you know as long as he doesn't go to the degree of burning your quran or anything then you know i mean that's it's wrong you know i mean that but it's just having respect and i think it's like i watched his video the other day and i think tom is maturing himself with his way he used to handle his uh campaigns and go and deal with them and that's him now going in he's he's becoming more professional yeah i used to deal with things through anger tommy if i'm honest like yeah i watched you down at the in london at the weekend and you are more professional you are more your energy's changed you've not got the it's like a you could tell with your presence you were there to cause trouble no matter what way you might have looked at it then but then your muslim men are actually speaking to you now instead of trying When I went to Barrow, there's only 170.

1:08:28I'll check the consensus in 2011. There's 172 Muslims in Barrow. I believe now 400. About 400 now. Every family I approached let me in the house and spoke to me. It was very nice. One family actually come and give me information on certain men that they allege are committing these sorts of crimes. There wasn't anyone that wasn't willing to talk. I went to the Koran burning on Saturday. So the Koran burning has been in Sweden and in Denmark, and there was a demonstration outside the Swedish embassy. and I went and it was a Kurdish Iraqi group who were very different to the the light has always been given to Anjum Chowdhury's group in these demonstrations which is what I expected to see and when I turned up it was lots of smiling Muslim faces who were shaking my hand saying hello Tommy how are you and wanting a talk and then um yeah I had conversations with plenty of them there but I disagreed with plenty of them on lots of things and what I said is because they burnt the Swedish flag I said you're not realized like for me like I'm not saying stand here and burn a Quran, I don't think there should be laws that prevent people from doing it.

1:09:26I don't think it's that wise of an idea, but if someone does do it, I don't think they should be punished by the state for it. So I said, you're angry because someone's burned a Quran, and you're angry with a whole of Sweden. You've just set fire to a Swedish flag. It's got the cross in it. You're going to upset a lot of people with that. It's the total same as you're upset about this. You're going to upset a whole country now. And it's people. Because if that was my flag, I'd be pissed off and stopping you doing that yeah the same way you'd be wanting to stop me burning the quran i said so what you're saying is this is wrong so then you've burned the swedish flag the danish flag you've cheered all this stuff i said you've absolutely undone for me i went to see the argument and i said this is your right lads when i went there i said what's going on we're angry i said okay and i asked all of them what do you think should happen to the protester yeah and him chowdhury would say he needs to be killed and they said nothing should happen but we're we're angry about what's going on i said that and that's your right lads yeah so there was a very they were sent I find it strange about Denmark because I lived in Denmark at the age of 15 till about the age of 17 18 I lived in Denmark on and off I used to come back my brothers were there we had shops there how many nieces you got in Denmark

1:10:36I might have a cousin no but honestly I always thought that they would I never it's one dude it's one dude doing a stunt yeah one dude yeah i suppose it is because that's what i'm saying in denmark i would say they're really nice people you know there's no derogative swear in denmark even the the worst thing that danish would say to you as a foreigner is the dumb farmarbeiter right that means you're dumb foreigner right right that's that's the racist swear if somebody said that that's the class of calling somebody a paki honky whatever you know i mean that's that's the equivalent to that the dump farmarbeiter.

1:11:12And you think, and you know, you never worried, like growing up in the Bolsa in Manchester, then, you know, if there was like a group of 20 lads, and you're on your own at night, you'll take, cross the road or something, there, you know, the lads would move out of the way for you. And it's, and I just found it very strange that Denmark and Sweden is now, and there's a big Muslim community there. It's just one, so what's going on there, is one dude pushing the boundaries on free speech. That's what he's challenging. Is that, he's a far right activist isn't he yeah yeah no I don't know him do you know him I don't know him it's my uncle check his WhatsApp check his WhatsApp it's my uncle you know what mate when you're next doing it yeah from the Glasgow side or the Scottish side or the Irish side because I've got many Muslim friends I love them I know how fucking crazy they are they're just as mad as me but can you see what Tommy's trying to expose as well with the grooming gangs and the connections can you see that because a lot of people it's good that they used to hear as well to discuss that because a lot of people are just, ah, you're racist, you're this, you're, like, can you see what he does as well as the right thing?

1:12:15No, yeah, he does definitely. It takes, you know what, it takes a certain man to do that work and like I was saying earlier, you know what, I would watch on news and I find it disgusting. You don't want to be linked or do it and then having him going out and actually having to process all that stuff in your head is fucking crazy. I'm frightened of that last one. You know what I mean? I still need to get, just get these next two finished. It's dark. It's a dark world there and then me getting thrown into it then i've been working with the i'm sure he won't mind joseph kuzak we got really close with him he's done the charlene's down documentary he's a ghost writer he's done 14 odd books and he's spent a lot of time and he when the thick of all this like when tommy's come and gone right at the beginning right and he's he was always with me and he advised me what to speak to if not to and he has always said he goes i think if you can relate to Tommy it's a good thing because he will take the trouble off you I always did and I've got to be honest with you the when they was going on and I phoned after he phoned me put the phone down I had DCI John Robinson amazing guy the guys that did this investigation Dougie Marsh Andrew Hill and Gary Humes right I I really really I'm grateful to them men they are really they were very thorough they were very good men any time they were there on the pick of a phone call man the guy they were there they were really good and that DCI John Robinson they were all scared like everybody like I was what's Tommy's agenda what's Tommy going to do which is why they nicked me why they gave me conditions it's like I think they believe the hype yeah and you know what and I even said to John Robinson that day on the phone driving up from Bolton I said look I think I'm on a meeting he goes but you think so you can handle it you don't feel pressured or don't feel thinking or anything i said no he hasn't pressured me i don't feel anything i said we've had a little crack on the phone he's been outside the house and i want to see him i want to see him because i know i'm innocent why shouldn't i see him why shouldn't i see him i'm innocent you're not mainstream media is not putting it out there but there's been years of history going on if you look at the evening mill pedos schools have named my businesses there's loads of stuff going on borough police didn't protect me borough council didn't protect me so you know what if tommy Robinson's coming to me home and he's and he's saying to me I'm going to hear to look into the case and get to the bottom of the truth more than welcome mate it's 100 % easy well thank you somebody that wants to get to the bottom of it ah if he wants to spin it then it's a different story isn't it but I recorded him when he came to me house we recorded you recorded I got cameras and the police asked for it I didn't give it to anybody I said why should that that's what he mean that's between me and Tommy and that's just for my safety in case you know because I'm paranoid at the time as well, thinking, is he going to spin it?

1:15:01Like you said, so easy could have done it. Especially with the following, Tommy's got it, man. He says, people follow, man. Follow, yeah. And it was the height of things then, wasn't it? It was like 2 ,000. You can tell me there, 2 ,000 people turned up. Cars. Cars, you know. And then when he got arrested, and then circling me home, circling cars, beeping and circling me home. I'm getting shot, rapist. I'm stood next to him, watered out. and I said to him, you're alright, so I'm going to smuggle him out the back. He's around the side and he's like, I'll get you out the back, get in the boot, go, go, go.

1:15:35The ice cream ones, he can jump in straight through the hatch. I thought, off we go. See, your religion is well more like, what's the positives from it? Because there's negatives and positives in every religion, there's some dark satanic shit in every religion but I know people would die for their profit. But what's the positives? Because I've seen Andrew Tate with the Quran yourself, what was the benefits and the positives with the one word, what did I used to say my love sabar, the Arabic word sabar means patience this is my test, this is our test as a family and we've been put into the worst of it Allah's put me in it and I'm going to be patient let everything take its course, we know we're innocent we know we've not done anything, we know we've got Tommy bored Tommy's been he's looked at it Tommy's man to man he said it straight to me he had done his little bit of research he had done that he went and looked further in as well even though he was convinced he still wasn't convinced I've got to be right and he was telling me through the day he goes you know bro and even though I knew but I still carried on I was like that's what I'm sorry thanks for that obviously I know you wrote the book Tommy about the Canaan but can the UCI good things in it as well that people can actually because i've got friends who've went to christ or been in the meetings and they've changed their life but can you see that some people actually believe that it is a good thing that actually makes them i believe some people if you treat it like a buffet and you take these parts and leave these parts there's some great parts in it yeah if you if you want to take it gives people i've seen in jail it gives people a sense of identity a strong identity it gives them a sense of belonging a sense of brotherhood a sense of community which at times we could feel jealous of the community they have because our community is broken it's a mess yeah families are broken um that's not happening in the muslim community um old age pensioners getting put in care homes it's not happening in the muslim community there's a lot of thing there's a lot of goods that you can look and think that's good but there's also for me a lot of negatives yeah these people who just take these bits can go and live a great life and live a very positive life because they're not following every word as a literal interpretation to follow, yeah?

1:17:50So yeah, there's a lot that... Islam is filling a void in the UK. It's why you're seeing large numbers of conversions. It's why you're seeing people adapt to it. It's why you're seeing people... It's very strong. It's a fucking strong ideology in the sense of it will not budge. It's like your laws will budge before Islam budges. Everything will budge before the principles... That's why they say, Mohammed, mountain, mountain, Mohammed. He's on top of the mountain, will he? but it's like so on this LGBTQ plus I've said this many times recently Islam's not going to budge man the Muslim community ain't going to budge you see your little your little mafia the LGBTQ plus mafia and your pushing of the sexual agenda on children Sam Smith and all this nonsense in his latest video that's bad that's bad that's bad that's bad I didn't do you think do you think there's going to be a room full of Muslim children being read nursery rhymes by a drag queen well there ain't yeah but currently every library across this country is getting booked out as they do this tour of men dressed as women reading nursery rhymes to kids like leave the children alone leave them alone yeah leave them alone and so there's issues like that and i see a lot of men are looking for something strong a lot of men are looking for something that is going to rebel this yeah because this is part of what i'd say is the conspiracy of the new world order it is the new world order yeah it's weak men feminized men it's the breakdown of the family purposely orchestrated in the black community in every community yeah they don't want you having a strong dad figure yeah they don't want a father figure they want the state control state will bring up your children you know they're now bringing in the law that you will not be able to take your child out as a sexual education part of the sexual education from the age of six or seven they were introducing self self-love teaching children about masturbation it's like leave the children alone you sick fuckers yeah and if you look at how whether it be pie with the labor party you look at a lot of these top politicians and and the lobbyist groups that have been involved with over the years it's all about lowering the age of consent it's all about just breaking down the barriers of men and women boys and girls what is a boy what is a girl it's all this confusion of the next generation i just read today i don't know i need to check the statistic but 300 000 children now in in america are trans like you are messing even my children my children just in my children's school yeah In my children's school, there's quite a lot.

1:20:11In older schools now, you're confusing these kids and then you're giving them drugs. You're giving them hormonal drugs as children. And then you're taking away the father and the parents' right to prevent this to happen. They want to bring your kids up, basically. And they want you at work every hour of the sun. They want you in debt every hour of the sun. You want everyone on antidepressants. They want you all fat. They want you all in a mess because they don't want a strong population that's there to resist what they want. and as I said I've said this many times so many Muslims may be upset I understand why Muslims get upset when I'm talking about Islam and different because it's part of our identity strongly it's part of my identity being from Luton you want to slag Luton I feel you upset me it's part of their identity is being Muslim and so when I'm they'd say attacking Islam but when I'm bringing up negative flaws within Islam they feel like I'm sort of attacking them or they I can see where they see it but I'm not I said I'm just talking about this I'm separating you from it yeah that's the that's the passion of us yeah that's the passion we have towards religion and you're 100 % that's nobody at the time when you talk about Islam nobody computes it it's just stand up it's just stand up give it two minutes compute what he's saying and then have the conversation it isn't and that's the love we have for the religion yeah I get it that's that's that's that

1:21:35you know we're coming for you. What happens if you try and relieve the religion or is it not there? Certain countries it is. Yes it is. Yeah. So there's six Adif's. Six Sahih Adif's authentic Adif's in the city. Al-Sahih Bukhari. Bukhari says kill him. Muslim says kill him. Four out of the six make it very specific multiple times. If you leave Islam you'll be killed. Which is why lots of the Islamic countries is punishable by death. Now my thing is like you might stop the average Muslim in the UK. I bet if you ask Mo, if someone changed their mind and wants to leave Islam, he don't want to kill him.

1:22:12I don't know. No, I don't have a right to take anybody's life. And that's it. So there's lots of, which then there's lots of challenges, but I talk about them. I talk about them because as we have growing numbers, there's a culture shift and it's like a minority of extremists always rule. I think 10 % of Germany was Nazis. 10%, right? Look what they've done. When you have a small, very dedicated group who are active and committed is powerful yeah so I'm not saying I'm not saying the vast majority of Muslims don't have to agree with it yeah all you need is a really fucking strong push push push whether it be the Taliban in Afghanistan whatever it is it's very committed they're more committed than anyone else so that's why I say it's dangerous which is when I talk about it I try and say look we've got to look at this in case some deflected switch and says right we want to do this or that and then people would follow yeah when the numbers become when the demographic change is that big then what are we going to do?

1:23:06So that's what I talk about. And it's just exploring. Can we talk about it? Can we say, okay, so Luton is now a minority. Luton is a majority Muslim town. I've seen that change. I've seen the change, which I believe is problematic for freedom. I believe there's lots of issues that come with it. I believe there's lots of issues, whether it be to do with certain crimes, this, this, this, things that actually, if the government has done their job and the police done their job, we probably wouldn't feel half as worried. Haven't tackled grooming, haven't tackled FGM, been scared to deal with all these issues due to cultural sensitivities.

1:23:34rather than just enforcing the law that's there. There's so many problems. And then there's the political correctness problem where people end up self-centering their views and scared to air their views. And then you have all these NGO organisations. But then I also believe where I'm looking at it is that the Islamic community are being used as well by these globalists who want to cause breakdown of society. I played my part in that. When I look at it, Black Lives Matter has been used as an organisation to cause further divide. So whilst they've got the Black Lives Matter divide going on, they've got the racist divide going on, they've got the Muslim community, they've got all these clashes going on where they're funding all of them for all these clashes.

1:24:11You've got all these different groups. Whilst they're doing that, these fuckers are just taking every bit of our freedom bit by bit by bit, whether it be through terrorism legislation that affects all of us once they bring these laws in. Like the stop oil protesters now, they shut the bridges, they shut the motorways, they do all of this. they're funded by the globalists so the people who are who want all this are funding them yeah then rishi sinax has passed new laws to deal with them yeah but it's not dealing with them it's going to deal with all of us they bring in more lockdowns for they're bringing in the climate change lockdowns like they're doing now these 20 minute zones they start bringing all that in well they've passed these new laws whereas really these stop oil protesters were blocking roads they were causing mayhem that you already had the laws to deal with them you didn't need new laws but you stood the police down you actually see them stand the police down the police were giving them fucking sandwiches and giving them bottles of water while they're blocking roads with an ambulance with people dying in the back.

1:25:01You're shutting down bridges causing mayhem, but they were allowed to, and it was facilitated, it was all planned, so then they bring in these new laws, and these new laws take part of our freedoms away, and when we try and protest what's coming next, and I know some people who haven't looked into this probably think he's mad, they're going to be doing these 20 minute zones that they're trialling now. You see, they're trialling Bath and they're trialling Oxford. Trust them to choose two middle class places. You start trying to do that crap in the council estate she's going to have a problem. But that's what they're bringing in.

1:25:26These zones where you'll need permits to leave the zones and it's all going to be due to a carbon footprint to save the planet. It's bullshit. What makes a good Muslim man more? What makes a good Muslim man is a person that doesn't judge.

1:25:43It's about just doing what's right, being a good person. In English they say it's nice to be nice. Man has cost nothing. Man has make it the man. it's just them fundamentals of it and that makes a good Muslim man it's a very simple religion you follow it to the simple basis of it and it makes life easy you like to think make it that easy for you like I said that was my test that's my test there you passed it and it makes you stronger and you know it's Islam is now portrayed like it's such a big it's demonised it's you know we go out we bomb we do this we do that not really no they're the radicals they're the wrong ones the majority of them are funded by the CIA in America ISIS is gone we've got this Taliban Osama bin Laden why was he put in there why was he put in Afghanistan by the Americans I think Trump released the new leader of the Taliban Trump released just before he left and then they took over as the Taliban.

1:26:51Yeah, and look, they leave their weapons and everything and say, oh, sorry, we're going now. And you have this. I get, only recently I've thought deeply about it. Like when the invasion of Afghanistan or the invasion of Iraq, the illegal and lawful evasion to those countries, yeah. And then when they're blowing all these bombs, they're just saying it's against insurgents. If you come into my country, I'm an insurgent, mate. You bring a military force into this country, I'm an insurgent. so these people who are in afghanistan and iraq they're going to resist you you're bringing an invading army yeah to overthrow that in each of these countries to rob the countries basically and all of that so when even even the terrorists like when i hear like their arguments and i hear their arguments and it's disgusting what they've done and it's barbaric what they've done they're right about the british government they're right to be enemies with the british government for what they've done because the currently the government are all of our enemies they are Well, government affairs, I can understand, but not be the enemy of the government and the British population.

1:27:50No, yeah, the government... The government, this is where we think people differ, they're understanding government strategies, policies and people. Yeah, yeah. And that's what we've got to all get a balance of, is find out who's causing the issues and who's not. And what we do is, they set the issues, they set everything up, and we're just like sheep, aren't we? We're just following it. We're just following it because, oh, it's on news, oh, it's on that. it should be it's correct BBC said yeah when's that get what for sentencing and do you think she'll get prison time or do you think it'll just be community service no no prison she's already remanded so do you think she'll get she got out she got out didn't she yes when she first got arrested and she was I think it was for about eight months she was in originally or six months and then they couldn't keep her any longer due to trial their trial weren't going to take place because you're crying yeah that's the excuse but what gets me is now if you look at the Bradford grooming ring cases took place in the COVID and yeah I've got lots of friends who have been on the way through COVID how much how much we're in contact with this girl this Asian girl because of all this I've got I'm honest to God my life's kind of changing I'm getting people reaching out to me and I've been sharing some of these stories with Tommy as well and this woman reached out to me her husband was putting Bradford grooming and she's got paperwork we need and she goes I want you to look at all this i'm thinking i'm no lawyer i'm no brief i just stood my ground i did what i did but it's and she's now comes and when she tells me everything about her husband getting sentenced and the way they put him into the bradford ring and his yeah he was getting done for a little silly bit of weed here and there that's it he was known for and they basically picked him up put him into this into this ring and he's been sentenced to a 19 odd years and she goes he isn't he isn't that he goes I know and the girl and she's been talking to the girl that was saying that's been the victim and she's actually said no he hasn't done it and she said to the police no he hasn't done it they said no just sign here where do you go forward for the future more before this you know what it's it's not something I ever thought I would do or be but I just it's now because of the passion it's like when I did the restaurants I always did the best ones I did the ice cream I did it the best right it's true and now what's happened as a family what we've gone through what we've been through and people coming to me I think I can see me kind of being in a place where I want to make change I want to make help I don't want this to happen again I don't want anybody to be wrongly accused whether it's of rape whether it's of drug dealing whether it's of fraud whether it's of money laundering whether of anything you cannot just throw somebody's life away and just you know the way they did you know come in and how many times I got searched how many times I got stopped, you know, then I went to the Hull ring, I got arrested again!

1:30:40After, I mean, think of all this! And then they come, like, on force, there's about 15 officers come from the Hull to arrest me. They go to Barrow Police Station, Barrow to obviously show them the warrants and everything and do the legal work and get a uniform with them to escort. They thought, you know, can't, then this is the Inspector Paul something he was called, the guy that's the main investigator of the whole grooming scandal, and he looked at it and he goes we have to stay the night so that's costing more taxpayers money, like staying at night in a hotel, why did restructure how they were going to come and raid and two of them went to basically, they went, half of them he sent his half his force home I'm not even there for my own safety or the dangers of what I'm going through and I'm not even there, so they come and raided the house, again, when we're used to it's for us it became normal okay it's all right you know what i mean it's normal it's disgusting again all devices or bank cards and this is the thing that keeps getting mad all bank cards always every time we think disclaimers into your banks disclaimers into that's that's intel right they want to look at other crimes yeah yeah yeah exactly and this is now knowing working with other people and them and and you know and that is what we said to you outside my wife said you know you're not Remember that comment.

1:32:03Every time they made a comment, his paperwork's too tidy. His paperwork's too tidy. You know, it makes our job easier. And everything I've got, I'm quite OCD when it comes to my paperwork. I like to keep... One thing my father taught me in England, this country, you need paperwork. That's all you need in this country. Back home, you don't need anything. Back home, you just need his name.

1:32:32And that, so one of the things as a kid, he told us, right? In this country, but those days, you needed a good bank manager, you needed a driving license and a good accountant. And you're set for life if you have them. And so that was part of the deal. And it's just all the work they did. And it was just, it was to me, then it's a summer dark here, there's some more, some more, some more. And I'll never get to the bottom of it. Then it's like you're turning into a conspiracy nut as well. and you're thinking, I ain't got my overthinking thing. But you're not, but you're going through this, you're going through this major, major pressure.

1:33:08Especially given it so much energy. Yeah. You don't want to keep giving it energy. Do you think you'll get to the bottom of it, Tommy? Or have you kind of flipped a chapter on it? I'm not going to let him get to flick a chapter, that's it. Something has to have gone on in our life. I think something's gone on in Barrow. Do you feel sorry? I think there's something. I've been flicking through a few things recently. Yeah. Barrow seems like you saw the Liverpool scandal yeah within the Labour Party where the mayor and all that were at it all that it's all kept in house it looks like something like that has been going on in Barrow for a long time no outsiders are wanted in there they've got it on lock within the council council yeah for all sorts of stuff is that why they wanted you out you think probably why they want me out probably why they didn't want a new man coming in and throwing himself around yeah where do you go forward for the future Tommy because now I know you're kind of open minded people are starting to see you in a different light like where do you go I've just got more documentaries to make more stories to come you know what I said to Nicola last night go on I said Nicola what do I see I said in 25 years time 20 to 25 years time I can see him being Prime Minister oh I mean and Labour and Labour I don't mean it I'll be your Chancellor then with four wives that's tight for it yeah And I love more.

1:34:31Because that's what I see in the comments. He's going to convert soon. He's going to convert soon. He's out. Because at the minute, people, it's nothing I haven't said. It's nothing I haven't said. I do see negatives. I do see positives. But I see a lot of problems. And I see a lot of problems that no one's... I'm in a position where most people aren't willing to talk about these problems. Most people are too scared to talk about these problems. Most people don't want to lose their jobs or their careers. Someone's got to talk about them. Someone's got to highlight them. Someone's got to explore them.

1:34:57Someone's got to do that. I'm in that position and people have a I think a lot of people have a faith in what I'm saying so I just want to continue to shine a light on corruption wherever it is Fair play for anybody that's watching that's maybe went against you spoke out against you deleted you what would you say to them who never believed in you? Never judge a book never judge a book by its cover is it? No maybe that won't fit it's just let's not be so judgmental people that know you you know you just don't there was the gravest of accusations this was and for people to just make assumptions and jump on it or give it support or pump it it's wrong, it's wrong it shouldn't be like that, either go and seek knowledge of it get information about it and then come and speak it's like I say when it all went up I started doing lives when it blew up and I thought you know what and everyone's thinking you're going crazy what are you doing, you're thinking more attraction but no fuck them fuck them i'm not i'm not gonna sit down i'm not gonna let them beat me like this this is wrong i'm being stitched up more than one way i'm not gonna let it happen and so i just did my thing and in my lives and everything i said anybody's more than welcome anybody wants to come and sit down and have a discussion like a man come or if you want a one on one even i said that's tell me i'll tell you where i am i'll fucking come i'm not scared but don't be doing that and it went down to the town even I did one of my very first videos I did this guy called Andy Bickle and he was friends of friends close circles and they were like he's like yeah I know he's a nonce I thought humor so I did a video walking we were walking to go muck out the horses and I'm walking down the promenade and this is video and I went there everybody Andy Bickle's done this this this he's saying this everybody do me a favor if they see him give him a hug and when you give him a hug i'll donate a pound to a charity and that's how i started taking him on and then basically the some people they were like oh yeah he's cocky look how cocky he is you know and again i'm a nobody a little man in a in barrow just doing his own minding his day-to-day life and just going on with the mundane tasks of life just you know just just getting on with it and the crap we got it was just unbelievable but I thought I'm not having it I'm not having it not on my watch what did the EMP say to us oh god about me yeah we'll talk about it yeah so I went down to the EMP and he was we'll have a conversation about Tommy Robinson and I even said to him I said I'm a closet Tory right and he was like what's your relationship with Tommy I said I think Tommy's going to expose a lot more things and basically they weren't happy was it weren't happy with him and I said you know I'm going to invite Tommy to my house the assignment fell they just put his hand I said I'm going to invite him to me I said nobody can talk and he was like why do you go Facebook so now this is the even though I've been exonerated and everything's out there it's clear the advice I was given is go Facebook stay away from Tommy now he's got agendas and just carry on so what do you mean so go Facebook I have to be told by you shut up and be quiet yeah shut up and be quiet why?

1:38:22I just thought you know what I'm wasting my time with you absolutely wasting my time you've got to stand up and fight Tommy what's all your social media links now I know you're back on Twitter Twitter Tommy Robinson NS on Twitter and then official Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson official on Rumble they're the only ones I'm allowed on so far so far for anybody that's watching it's maybe going through something like you maybe people are pointing their fingers and they don't see a way out that everybody's turned against them, what advice would you have for them? Stay strong. And if you know you're innocent, then you've got nothing to worry about.

1:38:54If you know you're innocent, you've got nothing to worry about. And then just contact Tommy. Who are you going to call?

1:39:10Would you like to finish up on anything, Tommy? Nah, mate, nah. It's good. As I said, just for his family, it was good to know that they're in a different place. Must have been for a while. Mo, yourself, do you like to finish up on anything, brother? Well, moving forward, what we're doing is Nicola and her friends have set up the whole trust. Because the way Maggie Oliver helps, and there's not much people out there, really, going through this with the support for the wrongly accused and abuse victims. And if you put them two together, there's mental health. the biggest of it nobody's focusing on all three and we're quite fortunate that we've got I know a lot of doctors within the culture within the family, friends and everything we've had long chats with them we've got legal teams that are now jumping on board, friends that are barrister Woodford Green is in and he's a Supreme Court barrister Wahid Al-Rahman and he's jumping on with us we've got doctor's side we've got creative bubble creative support Jason, they're all coming together so we're all building a network and an organisation and these people that are reaching out to us, and like you're just saying if there is a genuine victim there, are the wrongly accused of anything and you don't know what to do, advice anything, right, once that we are officially going to be launching in about 14 days I think and it's going to be the HALT Trust and please get behind that support us and follow us and see what we do for the people Listen fair play for not Bowen Dow and standing up for what he's believed in fair play for standing up for this man Tommy you could have walked away at any time for coming on today guys healthy discussion I wish you all the best for the future and hopefully everything works out Take care lads Cheers man Thank you