UFO Secrets Exposed: Investigator James Fox Reveals Shocking New Evidence

28:49So they announced to the world what they recovered. They take some of this debris, they put it into B-29, and they're going to fly it to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. That was what the authorities were doing. But they're going to stop off in Fort Worth, Texas along the way. And I don't know how many hours had gone by between that. You could look it up probably the same day. And they load this stuff up. They fly to stop off at Fort Worth. Wright-Patterson was their ultimate destination. And there's a flurry. I mean, this story exploded in the headlines, as you can imagine, even in 1947.

29:26And there's a flurry of media activity on the base of the airplane when he's trying to get off the plane. And the debris that they collected out at the field was in the B-29. And he gets off, and there's all these media bombarding him with questions. And the general, this guy General Roger Ramey, comes up and he says, let me handle this. Keep your mouth shut and let me handle this. and he gets debris. They have a press conference inside the building nearby. They threw a conventional weather balloon on the ground, took some photographs. You can see those photographs today. And they said, terribly sorry, what we thought was a flying saucer.

30:02Turned out it was just a conventional weather balloon. End of story. So that's what happened. However, two out of three of the people within the press photograph, It was Major Jesse Marcel, Colonel DuBose, came forward on the record, it's in my movie, The Phenomenon, to say that that was a cover story for what they picked up and what they picked up in the desert was not of this earth, not of this world. And since then, I don't know, you could look at a number of researchers that have been probably close to 200 witnesses, firsthand witnesses that talk about that account. And so that was the first major credible claim of a UFO crash and materials recovered in 1947.

30:49Was that after World War II? Yes. Again, do you ever think that that could be a deflection to then forget about the war and move on, because all the attention then goes on to something as big as that? All I could tell you is what the witnesses who were there said. How many witnesses again? Well, the most credible that have come forward were Colonel DuBose and Jesse Marcel, Major Jesse Marcel, his son, Jesse Marcel, also handled the debris. The coroner, there are a number of figures. But I would say all in all, in the hundreds, there have been memorandums that have come out regarding this. There's been little notes.

31:27I mean, Kevin Randall and Stanton Friedman, they've done extensive research on it and books written. But the people that were there, the people that the debris filled, the people that recovered the material, they are high-level military officials. and based on their report, what they recovered was not of this earth, and it was covered up. So that's not my opinion, it's just what they said. Where was the photo of the little alien? There's an alien, it's got a photo on it, it looks as if it's got half its leg blown off. Oh, yeah, so that was Santilli, Ray Santilli. I think he was from England. Who actually, in technology nowadays, you can tell if something's real or fake.

32:09But back then, you probably couldn't. So who can tell who's the credible witness, who's not credible? Who can tell if the photos are real or fake? Do you look into all that? Do you cover all those angles now with the technology? Let's get back to the alien footage for a second. That was Eric Schofield and Ray Santilli. It was in the 90s, and they were looking for memorabilia from England. Sorry, I think it was in Tennessee of Elvis Presley. They put newspaper ads out, and they were trying to find, because it's quite valuable, right? So they would go and put out ads and they would pay good money for any filmed footage of Elvis Presley or other famous stars of that time, of that period.

32:50And I guess they got contacted by a guy that said, hey, you know, I don't have any of that, but I do have some footage of it. And these guys weren't UFO people. They had no idea what they were dealing with. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? Sunscreen. Snacks. A stapler? The new PayPal app is like that, but for your money. Shop, pay, manage your account, and earn rewards all in one place. And with purchase protection on eligible items, biometric security, and pass keys, you're protected at every step. Download the new PayPal app to get started. See paypal.com slash protection terms.

33:29This message is brought to you by Apple Card. With AppleCard, you earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases, like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game. Plus, it can be used anywhere MasterCard is accepted. No matter your team, no matter where you shop, AppleCard is here to help you tackle game day. Apply in the Wallet app on your iPhone today. Subject to credit approval, AppleCard is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch. Terms and more at AppleCard.com. That story is kind of a long story, but ultimately the vast majority of that footage, I'm personally convinced, is fake.

34:06But it's not fake because the event didn't happen. It's possibly fake for another reason is that they got the footage, it was poorly handled. Once they opened up the canisters, most of the stuff deteriorated because it was 1947 and this was the 90s. And so, and they borrowed money to get the footage. And I think that they, based on the footage that they had originally had and originally seen, they recreated it. That's what Eric Schofield and Ray Santelli would probably tell you today. I talked to Eric Schofield personally about it. What about the Rosewell in Brazil? Yeah, yeah, Rosewell in Brazil.

34:42What's that one?

34:47So, I tell people that if you're in the world, If you don't know much about the phenomenon, do not watch my movie, Moment of Contact. Because Moment of Contact deals with the Roswell of Brazil. In 1996, there was an alleged UFO crash in Virginia, Brazil. Let me back up for a moment. Let's see. Let me back up for a moment. To give an example of how difficult it was for me to believe this case. I was working on my second film on the topic of UFOs in the late 90s. I just finished that first one. And I was going over, like, what I do at the beginning of a film project is I do broad strokes. Like, I'll say, okay, wouldn't it be fun to cover this case?

35:40And I partner up with people, and yeah, we can look into the Bentwaters UFO incident. We can look into the Phoenix Lights or whatever. And my buddy, who's British, this guy Tim Coleman, we just partnered up to do this film together. He goes, oh, James, mate, you know, there's this case, British guy. There's this case that happened in this UFO crash in Brazil. Happened in 1996, and it was like 99, so it was like three years later, maybe four years later. And these live aliens apparently survived the crash. And, you know, they were captured by the military and the local police. They were seen by civilians and fire department and that.

36:18And I just thought, oh, my God, I must have, I think I picked the wrong partner. Like, this guy's lost his bloody mind. And I refused to even read one word about the case when I'd heard about it. And I remind your audience, I was working on a UFO film, my second one, and I refused to even look into it. And I ended up doing a full movie on it, but I'll get to that in a second. I get a call, fast forward, it was 99, probably, 2099. I get a call from Tim. We'd been in and out of touch for quite some time. And he goes, you did bloody well. I told you about that case back, you know, you didn't believe me.

37:01And I said, no, I didn't. He said, and now you made a movie on it. I said, yeah, yeah, I did. And then I said, I'll tell you what, I'm going to give you a credit in the movie, a special thanks because it'll be our inside joke that, you know, you told me about a case back all this time ago. I refused to even look into it. I wouldn't look into it. Why? Because it was like, I just missed this. Yes, there's no way that happened. No, no way. So I just didn't look into it. So then 2000, let's see. So then I did Out of the Blue. Then I did a second version of Out of the Blue, Director's Cut, spent a couple years on that.

37:39then I did this big event at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. with Leslie Kane, 2007, made a movie about that, sold it as a two-hour special to History Channel called I Know What I Saw, okay? So I'll give you an idea. And I'm going to Brazil on a completely unrelated, just to give a presentation at a conference, probably on I Know What I Saw. And I get a phone call, and it was 2011. I get a phone call from a guy named Jeff Zaganski, He was very, very influential in the entertainment industry. You can Google the guy. He's big time. Big time. One of the most... He's the Joe Rogan of the entertainment industry in terms of, like, television and movies and, you know.

38:19And he's been a fan of mine, and we've been friends, and he's helped me over the years. And he goes, oh, you're going to Brazil. You got to look into that Varginha case, that alleged UFO crash. And I was like, oh, God, not this again. And so I have such respect for Jeff. He's helped me out. He's gotten me distribution deals, and he picks up his phone and things happen, that guy, you know? So I didn't want to laugh and dismiss him. So I just said, sure, Jeff, I'll look into it. Yeah, I'm 100%. Yeah, I'll do that. Click. No intention of looking into it. So zero. So I flew to Brazil, and I'm staying in a place called Peruibi.

38:54And it was to the south, probably like, I think it was like three or four hours south of Sao Paulo on the coast. and it just so happens Stanton Friedman who's synonymous with like Roswell, he's a nuclear physicist UFO researcher, one of the brightest minds in the field, R.I.P. Stanton he died a couple years ago and loved him he was one of the most credible, scientific pragmatic guys in the entire UAP or UFO field and he's speaking at this event as well and I remember this funny little side note there was an island off the coast of Petaribi, and there was a very, it was a snake that only, it's only one place on earth.

39:38It was this little island, and you could see the island from sitting at a cafe on the water, and Stanton Fried and I would joke about it, and apparently this snake on the island is, venom is so deadly, one bite and you're dead, but it's very valuable. So poachers would go to this island, and they would, you know, these snakes would drop out of trees and bite them and they die. And so Stanton and I were talking about these snakes and this island and big lunch parties with other witnesses and stuff. And somehow the topic of Virginia came up. And I have tremendous respect for Stanton. Really. I mean, look the guy up.

40:18And he said something like, oh yeah, James, you don't know about Virginia. I said, I was like, ugh. He's like, I think that happened. I was like, really? So that sort of planted the seed in my mind. And then I started to meet additional witnesses. And then I started really looking into it. Then I went to Virginia countless times, a month each time. Every time I dug further, I thought, wow, I think this did happen. And then I was putting together the phenomenon. That's the film I think you might have watched. Yeah, I watched two, Phenomenon and Out of Touch. Moment of Contact. Moment of Contact.

40:59Moment of Contact, Out of Contact, Out of Touch. No, I'm kidding. And so the phenomenon I'm very proud of. It took me about eight years to make, and I know it's insane. I know, it's crazy. And I was going to, what I wanted to do is I wanted to include cases from all around the world. demonstrate the global nature of the phenomenon, right? And like, go to these locations, not just report on them from a book or from archival footage, but go to Africa and go to Australia. Really good cases like landing cases and alleged contact cases. And so I was putting this whole film together. Again, I was telling you, I went to China.

41:42And I was going to put Virginia in there as well. So I was going to Brazil. and then I just couldn't squeeze it in. I couldn't squeeze Virginia in. I didn't have enough. I wasn't quite there yet on the research. There were still some witnesses missing. And so the phenomenon came out without Virginia, the Roswell of Brazil. And I contacted my counterparts in Brazil, and they were devastated. Like, what happened? We worked on this for a decade. Like, what's wrong with you? I said, guys, I tried to squeeze it in. You know, we had like 12 minutes and there's so many, such a complex case and there's so many moving parts and there's witnesses that have yet to come forward that we need to still find.

42:25Sorry, but, you know, maybe we'll just have to do a film on it on its own. So the phenomenon comes out and the thing about the phenomenon that I'm particularly proud of is that it's one of the first documentaries that really transcended the UFO community. It really did branch out into a much broader audience. And the reason being for that is we got some very well-known household names in politicians. The former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is huge. He's the one that got Obama to run for president. I had a very lengthy face-to-face on-camera interview with him. the New York Times had just exploded that story on the front page about this secret Pentagon UFO program they were the DOD was admitting that UFOs were real they couldn't explain them the videos that were snuck out of the Pentagon and onto the front page of the New York Times that was like getting traction and the whole world was kind of like geez maybe this maybe this is real and I was getting getting on the inside I was working with some government insiders and it was you know people in the New York Times, I mean, it was amazing.

43:38I've never in my entire career anticipated being in that position and having that level of access and credibility and all of that stuff, right? So, naturally, the next film would be kind of the phenomenon too, but I had some unsettled business. This episode is brought to you by PayPal. You know how a mom's bag has everything? sunscreen snacks a stapler the new paypal app is like that but for your money shop pay manage your account and earn rewards all in one place and with purchase protection on eligible items biometric security and pass keys you're protected at every step download the new paypal app to get started see paypal.com protection terms this message is brought to you by apple card with apple card you earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game.

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45:18Now, I'll remind your audience, I have to report on what could be alleged live aliens walking through this town and being captured, okay? That's a tall order. That's a pretty crazy claim, okay? I'm aware of that. And it's pretty risky for my reputation. I've just worked with some government insiders. I covered some close encounters of a third kind, which I really felt I was pushing the envelope. I mean, we deal with a landing case in Africa with all those schoolchildren at aerial school. Zimbabwe. Yeah. You know, just outside Harare. Yeah, I read about that. Yeah. So I report on that. I went to Africa.

46:07I worked with this guy, Randall Nickerson, on it. And he's got his own film on just that case, aerial school phenomenon. on. But my film was touching on many cases around the world. But I'm dealing with a case. First of all, I'll remind your audience, I've got the former Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. He's very, very famous. I mean, he's very influential and famous in the United States. Well, what I didn't tell him, oh, and by the way, the documentary that I'm featuring you in deals with a, you know, a UFO landing at a school in Africa and the occupants getting out and talking face-to-face or communicating face-to-face with aliens.

46:43Like, he would be like, take me out of the movie. I was having nightmares, like, take me out of the movie immediately, right? But I did it in a way where I just allowed the children to sort of say what they... Well, they gave on-camera statements right after it happened to a Harvard psychiatrist by the name of Dr. John Mack. And that archive footage is amazing. But the point I'm getting at is here, is that when I finish that movie and I push the envelope to the extreme limit, is that it really did cross over into a more mainstream. I mean, I did interviews on every talk show, and I mean, not just platforms like Rogan, but I was on Fox and CNN and all these different platforms, and it was a huge risk, I thought, because I dealt with close encounters of the third kind.

47:32I reported on alleged close encounters of the third kind, and that's when witnesses claimed to see occupants, right? aliens, whatever you want to call them. So I know I'm going about this in a roundabout fashion, this is taking forever, but I wanted to talk about the relevance of... Yeah, but take your time. It's good to explain it. Okay, good. Yeah, because I want to talk... Okay, good. Okay. The relevance of the Virginia case, because I had people that I'd worked with on the phenomenon pull me aside and say, are you sure you want to do this? Look at what you're sitting right now, you've got this incredible, unprecedented position.

48:14You know, access, dealing with government officials, and now you want to report on a UFO crash and live aliens walking through the town and getting picked up? I mean, are you sure that's what you want your name associated with? And I know what they were talking about. I mean, it was a risk. but I said yes I stand behind this case I really believe that something truly extraordinary took place and so I went back to I went back to Brazil for a fifth time and and I was there for a little over a month and tracked down additional witnesses and put together this film which was really the culmination of over ten years of work and I gave credit to so many other researchers that had come before me in Brazil, and I worked with people that had boots on the ground, and I put out this film, Moment of Contact.

49:08People would say, what's it about? It's like, you should just watch it. It's like, you know, because when you say what it's about, people look at you sideways, and they have this sort of incredulous look in their face. But when you, excuse me, that's why Joe Rogan didn't have me on his show at first, because it took like three or four people to tell him, you need to watch this movie. because I'm telling you, I know it sounds crazy, but I think this happened. Like, you can't watch it and think it didn't happen. Sorry, I'm drinking my tea here. MARK BLYTHSCHER That's OK. But I'm surprised you even dismissed it, though, because normally the crazier the story is more likely to happen.

49:45I'm surprised you just totally dismissed it at the start, especially the work that you were doing, because it was so out there. Why were you so scared? Was it your career? MARK BLYTHSCHER Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I did not have extraordinary evidence. I do not have a photograph of that alien. Was there any photographs? We know that, yes, we know of multiple, well, we know of one photograph and we know of three different video sources, which I'm convinced at some point, and it could happen any day or it could happen next month or next year, that will be coming out. We're in touch with the people that have it.

50:19That's the thing with me, because there's so much camera footage now and there's so much technology, there's never any clear-cut footage of someone walking or someone flying. It's all like old photos of the 80s and 90s. It's never concrete to go, there's definitely something here. Do you think people who maybe have that concrete evidence, we talk about guys like the men in black, is that a possibility of people in suits coming and taking things off people? Is that ever occurred? MARK BLYTH Well, that's, OK. So let's back up about the evidence for a second. I can give a couple quick examples of photographic evidence that people say, oh, there's never any good photographs.

50:58And I do admit that we would love to have more. However, let's go back to 1950. You've got McMinnville, Oregon. You've got two witnesses. Excuse me, you've got broad daylight photographs, multiple photographs taken by Paul Trent, and a second witness was Evelyn Trent. And you can look up the Trent photos of 1950, McMinnville, Oregon, fantastic. 60s. you can look up Santa Ana Rex Heflin there's I think four photographs of a disc shaped craft at least three possibly four a dick sorry would you say a dick a dick what a shape craft a disc I thought he said a dick a disc flying dildo I thought he says a dick oh my god I thought what a fucking what kind of aliens is that yeah that's the kind of craft I want to be on No, but so...

51:55And there have been good photographs. I featured some of my pieces out of the blue. I know what I saw. There's been photographic evidence every decade. Good ones. Yeah, every decade. I'll give you an example. Can we talk about the 1990 Calvine UFO case that happened? Now, Calvine is in Scotland. It's about two hours north of Edinburgh. But it's in the region of, and it starts with a P, and I can't remember that exactly, but it's the Calvine. Peeboos? Sorry? Pee path? It's a particular region. It's a highly sought, it's a beautiful countryside. I just went up there. So let's talk about that for a second, because we're talking about some photographic evidence.

52:40We could talk about men in black and are these men that show up. I report on that for the first time after 25 years, just because I could no longer ignore that that's probably going on. But can you bring this photograph up? Yes. Or you'll bring it up. So this is a guy you met in Scotland. This guy will show the photo now of the clear, there was a clear footage of something flying in there. Yeah. So when I interviewed a gentleman named Nick Pope multiple times over the decades, Nick Pope investigated UFO reports in an official capacity for the Ministry of Defense from, I think, 91 to 94, something like that.

53:22And he was quite outspoken on the phenomenon that, hey, we're dealing with something that's truly extraordinary. I think he was going as far as like, there doesn't appear to be a prosaic explanation. In some cases, we might be dealing with, you know, off-world or something, but he was very conservative about how he went about it. But he said that we're dealing with something real. So I said to him years ago, well, you invested cases for the British government. Like, what are your top cases? And he said, Rendlesham Forest, 1980, December. It was a landing of an object that the officers came up and touched.

54:00Crazy case. And Calvine, which happened in 1990. And he said, I said, tell me about this Calvine. He said, well, there were two hikers, and it was August 1990, and they were hiking up on the hills in a little town called Calvine, C-A-L-V-I-N-E. And apparently they were illegally poaching, but that's another story altogether. They came upon a sort of disc or diamond-shaped object that was hovering about 200 feet, which would be, what, 70 meters? Something like that? Off the ground, totally silent, large, and they didn't know what they were looking at. I mean, they got some cover under a tree, they were kind of hiding out, freaked, what is this thing?

54:51They really didn't make any sound, didn't have any air disturbance, and then one or two Harrier jets came in and flew around it, at which point the guy, one of the witnesses, had a camera, and he took a film camera, and he took six shots of this object as the Harrier jet went around it.

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56:06Sweetgreen's fall harvest is back on the menu, and the season's most overlooked little green vegetable is dressed to be devoured. You know what to do. Order on the Sweetgreen app. Moments later, the object, according to the two witnesses, accelerated from here and went straight up into the sky at an unearthly speed, and it never made any noise or caused any air disturbance, and the jets were gone. Though they arranged to have the photographs taken to the local newspaper. The local newspaper was going to run the story with the six photographs. photographs. They reached out to the MOD and the RAF for comment.

56:48Hey, we're going to run this story on these guys that claim to see this thing. And could you give us a comment? And it was this guy, he was the Royal Air Force press officer by the name of Craig Lindsay. And the reason why we know this is because this guy, David Clark, has done extensive research on this case. Thank you, David. David Lindsay says, well, how can I make a comment? I haven't seen the photograph. I haven't seen them. And the local paper says, we'll send you one of the prints. So they did send him this print. And it was August 1990. Sends the print off to this guy, Craig Lindsay, and he says, wow, okay, this is interesting.

57:28This is not your typical UFO report. Every time you hear a UFO report, you're always expecting like a little blobby, a little white blob off of the, you know, uh-uh, this is a structured craft, broad daylight, points of reference, a military jet flying around it. I mean, this is exceptional. So he, somehow, the MO, so the RAF, he starts to look into it. He contacts the Ministry of Defense. The Ministry of Defense steps in, tells Craig Lindsay at the RAF, hey, we got this. You can step down. And so, at which point, Craig Lindsay had already met with at least one of the witnesses and possibly both of the witnesses and interviewed them, okay?

58:09So he got their account, he's got a photograph. So Craig Lindsay is now out, okay? Now the MOD steps in, and they get all the photographs, the story never goes to print, and the witnesses vanish. So I'd heard about that. To me, it seemed like a clear-cut story that it was covered up. And I said to Nick Pope, where are the photographs? He says, well, we had one of them blown up in this huge poster on the inside of the MOD office where we investigated UFO reports. I said, well, what happened to that? He kind of like shrugged his shoulders, I don't know, you know, and I harassed Nick for quite some time, probably the better part of two decades.

58:50And then again, thank you, David Clark, the research of David Clark finds the RAFO, Officer Craig Lindsay, this was just last year, Craig Lindsay happened to have kept that print for 33 years, and out it came in a roundabout way. So now we have one of the six copies of the film footage, but we're looking for the witnesses to come forward again today, which is, it was August 1990, and what are we now? August... 52 years ago? Yeah, August 2023, right? So I have something. If by chance any of these people are watching or they've told maybe their sons, by chance they know this story, how can they contact you?

59:38How do you go about that? There's a very specific thing I'd like to read, if I may, because it's really important that I get this right. And this came in from, well, you know, I might have to keep them anonymous. So let me read this. Okay, here's what we know. And this is, we don't know this to be factual, everything I'm going to say here, but it's just, we think. Kevin Russell, it says, care of Kevin Russell on the back of the photograph. I sent you one of the videos, you can play it and see it. On the back of the photograph, we don't think it was the original of the two witnesses. He was most likely a friend who acted as a middleman and took the images to the Scottish Daily Record.

1:00:19The two witnesses were illegally poaching and had taken pictures of their kill immediately before seeing the object. Source stated that the film reel showed their kill before the six images. Defense Intelligence visited the two witnesses and colleagues stated that they were visibly shooken. One left the area to live with his mother on the west coast of Scotland. There were two Harrier jets caught in the six photographs. were led to believe that one was RAF and the other was U.S. Marines. Again, we don't know for sure. No trace of these jets has been successful, certainly in the public eye. I brought this up with Nick Pope at the Ministry of Defense.

1:01:02He's still restricted on what he can say, but this was just a couple of days ago. And Nick said to me, perhaps there's data missing in the official Ministry of Defense files that even himself was unable to get access to. In other words, they could have found those pilots, they could have given their testimony, and that could have been all classified. We don't know. Sources and intelligence found a very clever way to cover up the entire case. The MOD covered up the entire case. Some people say that it could be some super secret radar reflector. Craig Lindsay, Nick Pope don't believe that explanation, but we don't know for sure.

1:01:40So if anyone is out there, please, pretty please with sugar on top. Even if you want to do it somewhat anonymously, you can find me on Twitter at James C. as in Charlie, Fox. At James C. Fox. My feed is open. I'm tempted to give my email address out as well, because if they don't want to go onto Twitter, but I'd have to say... They can message me on Instagram. They can? Well, James Inglis, too. They can ask me on Twitter, Facebook. I've got an email there where the team watches well. People can just click the email. Okay. Just think for other options for yourself. I would turn myself into a pretzel to be able to meet those witnesses.

1:02:25So please, if you're listening to this, please come forward. If anyone has any information on this case, please, pretty pleased with sugar on top, come forward. It's a possibility it could happen, though. You don't know who's watching or who's listening. Yeah, I know. For you to be here today in Scotland as well is a possibility. How do you also separate who's a scam artist, who's got mental health, and who's possibly telling the truth? Great question. Great question. So I'll give you an example. With Moment of Contact, there wasn't one single witness in that entire film that came to us. We tracked them down.

1:03:07And the better the witness, the more compelling the case, the less likely they'll ever want to talk about it. What it took, and that's one of the reasons why it took as long as it did, what it took to get those witnesses to come forward a moment of contact was ridiculous. Like, go back to the phenomenon, like the case that happened in Africa, right? Those children hadn't even told their husbands. I remember talking to one of them, just use her first name, Emma. And with the help of Randall Nickerson, we tracked them down, this was in 2013, from all different corners in the world, because the case happened in an aerial school in 1994.

1:03:54And again, I said that there was a Harvard psychiatrist by the name of Dr. John Mack, who flew in within a couple of weeks. He filmed all the children on camera, and that archive material we had. But finding the witnesses 20 years later, bringing them all out, and one of them arrived, actually a couple of them had said this, I haven't even told my husband, I said. You had that incredible encounter, and you didn't tell your husband that you have two kids with? He said, no. I said, why? Because I'm tired of defending it. So most of the cases that I have focused on, there's not people just coming to me, oh, I've got this great, you know, uh-uh.

1:04:36It's us learning about a specific case, tracking down the witnesses, and then doing everything we can to convince them that we are not going to ridicule you, we're not going to be able to do it. to make fun of you. We're going to provide you this credible platform. It might encourage other witnesses to come forward. So that's one of the biggest misconceptions in a lot of what I do is that I just, like all these people are coming forward for their five minutes in the limelight. That's not the case. We're jumping, doing hands, look what we're doing with Calvine. We're just trying to find them because we want to hear what they saw coupled with the photographic evidence.

1:05:14I want to talk to the RAF guy who talked to the witnesses. I want to talk to, you know, Nick Pope, who investigated at limited capacity. So, a lot of the cases that we cover, it's not easy just to get these people to come forward. It takes a lot of work. Do you believe a lot of people out there has got a lot of information, but too scared to come forward because of the ridicule? Or potentially, we talk about men in black coming and taking them? Well, we were talking earlier about, um, we were talking earlier about, you know, UFO crash, Roswell, Brazil, Roswell, New Mexico, right? So it's like, we covered Roswell and the phenomenon.

1:05:57And I remember working with this guy who was a scientist, Jacques Vallée, and he was like, are you sure you want to cover that case? Just the facts. In other words, just the people who were there, what did they see, right? because you're dealing with something potentially the biggest story ever of ufo crashes and bodies recovered you know and then i deal with it again in in in virginia a crash and bodies recovered i'm sure there are lots of other cases obviously and uh i could never have predicted that they would have congressional hearings people testifying under oath in front of a congressional committee that we have programs within the United States government to crash retrieval of non-human intelligence objects and bodies.

1:06:53That just happened in the United States of America under oath. The highest level intelligence officers ever. I don't even know how many people even are aware of that. That is a big deal. So, yes, we're making these claims. Witnesses have been making these claims. People have written books. There have been stuff included in documentaries. Well, now we have legislation. We have a push in the United States government for transparency on this topic, unlike we've ever seen before. And we have witnesses coming forward saying, yes, these government programs exist, special access programs that are free from oversight of elected officials, and that have been operating from dating back 80-plus years.

1:07:46Isn't it crazy that there's a possibility that that's out there? I mean, for they've got their own team. Do you know how much trouble he would get in if you're going to testify under oath to members of Congress. And look, these guys aren't just saying, you know, hey, yeah, there's programs exist and we've got these materials. They're saying, this is the name of the program. This is the name of the location of the program and the lab that it's in. These are the names of the individuals involved with the program. And quite honestly, if you get me the clearance, I'll walk you in the door. That's happening right now.

1:08:21See about the thousands of people you have interviewed. I know a lot of people say they've been abducted. Have you ever came across anyone like that who say they've been abducted, and they've seen things, and they've wiped their memory, and they've seen the future? Because you'll see these cheap magazines. You'll see these people at the front with a statue of an alien and say they've beat me up, Scotty. Have you ever came across anyone who's been abducted? MARK BLYTHER So I generally avoid. OK. So the first 20 years, I covered just reports of strange objects in our skies. And reports from pilots, reports from FAA officials, reports from officials, military people on the ground, civilians.

1:09:08And I'm talking either they're lying or, you know, they're reporting some, how do I say this? It's not like, you know, yeah, I saw this like blurry light off in the distance and it was moving, you know, no, I don't report on that. I report on, yeah, I was sitting there with my entire family and this object that had a wingspan of over two miles shaped like a big V over two miles across, flew right over our house very slowly. It took five minutes to pass over and we could see metal compartments and everything in the front and it didn't make any sound. And had we not looked up, we wouldn't even know it was there.

1:09:44Those are the kinds of reports that I follow, that I follow on. to report on. Do you ever feel you could be missing a trick, just like Roswell in Brazil? You were late to the party, and somebody could actually have been abducted, where they've got all this information? Well, in the process of doing all these, I can't not meet. I mean, I meet witnesses all the time. But I come across, like I'll give an example. OK, so the reason why I was getting at this is because what I wanted to say was I covered just the reports of the UFOs that do not appear to have a prosaic conventional explanation, okay?

1:10:24Then I moved to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a coin, sorry, it's a phrase coined by the United States Air Force. This guy, he was a scientific advisor to Project Blue Book named Dr. Jalen Hynek, and he categorized these sightings into first kind, second kind, and third kind. First kind is when someone sees a UFO up close. Second kind is when somebody sees a UFO up close and it affects the environment around them, maybe burns someone's face or leaves marks on the ground or it's photographed or radar. Close encounter of the third kind is when the witnesses report beings associated to the craft, right?

1:11:07So then I, for the first time ever in my career, I reported on close encounters of a third kind. People were saying, not just saw the craft, I saw beings associated with the craft. You can make up your own mind about that. Now, take it to a new level, then of course you've got the crashes, right? Then on top of that, now you've got these reports of people saying they're abducted. I've never reported on those cases. However, I have met with a couple of witnesses that I found very credible. One of which is Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky. I think it was 1975. And there were like six or seven witnesses to a disc, Shapecraft.

1:11:52You could look it up. But that's, I consider Travis Walton to be extremely credible, who came in direct contact with aliens. I believe that case. You could look, your audience could look that one up. Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky. There's another case that happened that I just happened to be sitting at a dinner table with. It was called the Allagash 4, and that happened in the 70s on the East Coast. that credible multiple eyewitnesses that's pretty credible then of course you got Betty and Barney Hill I think that was in the early 60s in New Hampshire that's you know thought to be pretty credible and then you've got all these researchers like Dr.

1:12:37John Mack and who was that guy that wrote I'll think of his name in a second but who have done serious investigation into that but I have not So I can't speak intelligently on these abduction cases. And I think that some, quite honestly, seem credible, and some seem too out there for me. That's the ones I would be right on. Just too out there, but you know. So what about the men in black, James? Like, is this a thing? Is it a myth? Because a lot of these movies, they seem far-fetched, but I believe a lot of them are actually telling the truth on a lot of things a lot of these movies that get created now 10 20 years ago i believe it's not telling you what's happening in the future but i believe it's what's happening now and i believe it like you say it puts people off of the fact that too far fixed but how do people come up with those ideas you go back 3 000 years 5 000 years egyptian times and you'll see little flying saucers and in the tombs and just how those drawings are there so there's definitely something in it but the men in black is that a thing crash like you spoke earlier there's they're picking up spaceships and covering it up and is that a thing with people try to cover it up somebody's got information they'll shut them up or shut them down maybe i can give you a couple of cases please do i didn't report on um why did i not report on them well i was covering as part of the films that I was making, I came across witnesses that talked about, either they shot a photograph or a video, or they were a major witness to an incident.

1:14:24And these men showed up at their house, and they were in dark suits, and they were quite intimidating. And they wanted to either take the evidence, or they wanted to get them to to say they didn't see what they saw, that kind of thing.

1:14:41It just seemed too far-fetched to me. And it had a lot of baggage. I mean, one of the reasons why I think they used the word, the term unidentified aerial phenomena or unidentified anomalous phenomena, A, the word UFO has got baggage, right? You got the giggle factor. And B, I think it was probably a more correct description of the phenomenon because it's not just structured craft. There's other things associated with the phenomenon. So I think it was a more... But anyway, but when you say man in black, people get the giggle factor, right? It's like, oh, yeah, they think of Will Smith. And so I avoided that.

1:15:17I had cases in the 90s. I had cases... Shoot. I had cases, in some respects, in the 50s.

1:15:30Do you want me to go into a couple of them? Of course. That's why you are here. Yeah, OK, cool. Sometimes I think I'm in a hurry, and I'm just like, are you sure you guys want to go into all this? Your spaceship's waiting outside. I know. So I was investigating a little bit the 1950 McMinnville, Oregon case with Evelyn Trent and her husband Paul. And this gentleman reached out to me after I had made an announcement about it on some TV thing I was doing. And he said, hey, I interviewed Evelyn Trent. And I've got the interview. If you like it, you can have it. And he sent me some weird format. And I had to get it converted, which I happily do.

1:16:14And I did. And on that interview, it was done in the 80s. So her sighting was 1950. They had a couple of photographs, great photographs. and her husband and her and herself were interviewed in the 80s it might have been like 86 so whatever that been 36 years after the fact and uh she talked about these men this man that showed up from an unknown government agency he was in a suit but not like a uniform he ransacked her house he was asking all these questions she said pulled the drawer this is coming from her on camera. And so I heard about that. I thought, God, did they have this unknown government agency back in 1950?

1:16:58And then I mentioned earlier the Rex Heflin photographs that Rex Heflin was a road worker for Orange County in California. I think it was like 60, 65 would be my guess on that case. and he talked about these men that came from some unknown agency, and they actually took his photographs, and they vanished for decades. But he talks about these men in suits that were intimidating, and there was just something odd, very odd about them. So I'd heard about it then, didn't report on it. Then I heard about the U.S. had an amazing case in England, in the U.K., Rendlesham Forest Bentwaters happened in December 1980.

1:17:42And I interviewed the deputy base commander, Colonel Charles Holt. And he described a plane that flew in, I think, from Germany, a United States Air Force plane that flew in from Germany within a day or two, and some unknown government agency. And they subjected the witnesses to sodium penthal and took the photographs that Jim Pennison had allegedly taken. And basically, this came in and kind of sanitized the whole situation. So I heard about, you know, that, didn't report on it. I was investigating the alleged, well, the case that happened in 89, 90, 91 over Belgium. I interviewed General Wilfred de Brower, who said that an unknown U.S.

1:18:29government agency came in, this guy in suits, and they wanted copies of the radar tapes from the intercepts with the jets to intercept this. huge platform-shaped craft that was the size of a football field that was hovering quietly throughout the night sky and shooting beams of light down. They intercepted F-16s, I think it was. And DeBrowler told me, well, these men, I don't know what agency they were from in the U.S., but they wanted copies of the radar tapes. And I said, well, sure, you can have them, but I need an official request. And they wouldn't do that. So they left. So I'm just like, I'm hearing all these, right?

1:19:05I interviewed a general from Parviz Jafari from Tehran, Iran. 1976, incredible encounter. Fascinating encounter. Visual confirmation, radar confirmation. And you can look it up. It's an amazing case where he had a lock on this thing, and then he thought he was going to try to shoot it. And Parvish Jafari said that his whole cockpit froze and almost like the object that he was going to shoot anticipated that move. But he said there were men from the U.S. government the next morning down in their office in Tehran. This is 1976. It's like, really? Didn't report on that.

1:19:541997, Phoenix, Arizona. I'm working with a woman named Frances Barwood, who was a councilwoman that was quite outspoken. If your audience wants to Google March 13, 1997, there's what's commonly called the Phoenix Lights, but it's actually a massive, there were a number of UFOs, but one in particular was a massive boomerang-shaped object that even the governor that I interviewed, Fife Simonton, said it was two miles across. I mean, the thing, and it just very slowly floated over the city. It went from north, the north of Arizona to the south, from like 7 to 9, 9.30 at night. And I was investigating that case.

1:20:42I investigated that case for a number of different films I worked on. And in the middle of the investigation, probably in the late 90s, probably in the late 90s, Frances Bartwood, myself, she put her neck out and said, hey, we should launch an investigation. She was getting lampooned in the press. And she was in touch with a witness that was a Vietnam vet. And he contacted her office. And he said, hey, I've seen you. You know, you've said that we should launch an investigation. I'm a Vietnam vet. At the time, there was a comet called the Hell Bob Comet that was out under the night sky. And people were out there going to see.

1:21:21So a lot more people witnessed this because they were trying to see Hell Bob Comet. and this guy was on his roof with a camera and a tripod, and he was going to film the hillbomb comet coming over his house or up in the sky from his house. Sorry. And he said that he had a scanner, like a CB scanner, so you could hear what the truckers were talking about. And there was an interstate, Interstate 10, that went between Tucson and Phoenix. And he heard the truckers talking about a huge, that boomerang massive UFO that I was talking about, and it was headed right his way. So he filmed it with his tripod as it went right over the top of him.

1:21:58Great footage, according to him. So he calls, and I'm working on this whole case. I did two films with it. He calls Francis and he says, Hey, I understand you want to investigate this case. I shot footage. Would you like to see it? She said, Well, yeah, sure. And so he made arrangements to drop it off at her office the next day. Well, that very same day, two men in black suits showed up at this guy's house and said, he said they were quite intimidating. And at that point, I think it was a couple months later, so it would have been March, April, could have been May or June. And it's very hot in Phoenix at that time of year.

1:22:39And he said that they were wearing dark suits, which was odd. And he said they were quite intimidating. And they said they're from Francis Barwood's office and we're here to pick up the footage. He said he was actually quite relieved that's all they wanted. and so the only question they asked him is did you make copies he said no and they took the footage and left so he waits to hear from francis and he doesn't hear from her so he calls her like a week later and i'm in touch with francis about this and uh he says well what'd you think she said well i thought you're gonna drop it off at my my office he said well i didn't need to you had two people from your office show up and pick it up she said i didn't send anybody around so i heard about i I heard about it then, and I didn't report on it, okay?

1:23:21Because I was like, this is just too nuts. And I could just go on. I could go on until tomorrow morning with these cases that I've heard, okay? But when I got to Brazil, and I met with the mother of the two daughters that came within 8 to 10 feet, according to them, of a live being, creature, alien, whatever you want to call it. I mean, 8 to 10 feet in broad daylight. three girls. The mother said to me on camera, these men in dark suits showed up from, they were foreigners, I think she used the word foreigner. And they tried to bribe her and the daughters and say that, and I thought, okay, okay, all right, these guys exist, this is real.

1:24:10This is real. And I said, I'm gonna report on this. Screw it. And so I did. So for the first time, I went all in, and I reported on these men, because I just couldn't ignore it anymore. I was like, okay, I've heard so many of these, that this organization exists. In fact, when the secret Pentagon UFO program was on the front page of the New York Times called ATIP, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, Leslie Kane, Helene Cooper, and Ralph Blumenthal reported on this. It was a big story. The DOD eventually admitted the tapes were real. That was a big story. So the secret Pentagon UFO program was revealed on the front page of the New York Times.

1:24:57And everyone's like, oh my gosh, the government's been investigating UFOs this whole time. I said to myself, yeah, they have. And I know they have because I've been investigating and everywhere I go, they're there. So they never stopped investigating UFOs. Sorry, I lost my train of thought. But, you know, so I knew that there was an ongoing thing. Oh, sure, it might have different names or whatever, but there are some unknown, and I bet you, in fact, I'm sure of it, that ATIP was just, you know, up here, but the real stuff's going on way down here. I guarantee you. And they're taking evidence, they're influencing witnesses.

1:25:39This is ongoing, and I'm sure that the same organization, and I'm sure they're still going about it today. Why are they keeping it hush-hush then? Why would it be a big top secret of other beings outside of Earth? Why do you feel as if they need to keep everybody silent? So I remember I've met with a number of generals from different countries. But this one in particular stood out, because he looked at me like, because I said, I was like, why would any governing body, Why would anybody cover up what could be the biggest discovery of our time? The question that we've all wanted to know. Come on, look up at the stars at night and like, are we alone?

1:26:21You know, nobody believes that we're alone anymore. The question is, is it coming here? That's the question, right? Because people go, oh, and they find out what I do. They go, oh my gosh. Yeah, I've never thought we were alone. You know, it's obviously there's life. And I said, well, yeah, I think that's the consensus now. I think everyone will say, there's no way. Any statistician will tell you, the odds of life is 100%. The question is, is it coming here? And I'm asking this general, because I was like, why would anybody cover that up? It's such a great, it'd be such an amazing thing to learn.

1:26:54Yeah, but that's why they're covering it up. Well, so here's what he said to me. Kind of sat there, kind of shaking his head, kind of almost like, you naive young man that don't have a clue on the lens that the military looks at this, okay? I say, well, what's that? Okay, so imagine what we pay the Air Force to do, okay? We pay the Air Force to protect our skies. We pay the Air Force to secure our airspace, to keep us safe, right? Excuse me. If you have these objects that fly rings around our fastest jets, exhibiting a technology light years advanced than anything we have, they're not flying around on Jet A fuel.

1:27:49Excuse me. You don't know where they come from, what they want, like what their agenda is. They fly rings around our fastest jets. How do you disclose that to the general public? You just say, like, hey, it's come to our attention that there are structured craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity. They're taking people out of their beds at night, not to say that's definitively happening. They're flying rings around our fascist jets. They're shutting our nukes off. They're all around, and we have no visible means of defense against them, shall they turn to be hostile. We don't know who they are, where they come from, what they want.

1:28:37So if you think about it through that, if you look at it through that lens, you know, it's justifiably, you could kind of say, okay, well, I see why the military would probably want to keep this quiet. I mean, if you look at the United States Air Force, the United States right now, they're being awfully, awfully quiet. I guess it could give you some inkling as to a justification for secrecy. There's got to be more to it than that, because if you go back to Egyptian times, like we spoke earlier, 3 ,000, 5 ,000 years ago, if they're late years ahead with their technology and got crafts that can fly through the air with no sound, then if they wanted to take anybody out, they would have done it years ago.

1:29:16Oh, I agree with that. You know? I agree with that. They would have done it years ago. Oh, I agree with that. It's just... But if you don't know who it is, think about it. You're going to open up the floodgates with inquiries? Imagine if they came forward and said, all right, this is what we know. They're going to have to reveal all the things that they don't know. It's going to expose all their vulnerabilities and all the things they don't understand about it. Like, that's kind of a big deal. Are you going to answer some questions? Let's say they have the hardware, okay? How do you share that hardware with your friends without sharing it with your enemies?

1:29:51Think about if they've learned things from that hardware. Think of maybe they have. I don't know if they have or not. I would imagine they've learned something. I mean, if you could somehow harness that hardware and turn it into, again, like military might, that could be the upper hand and power, control, influence, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. But people who already control the world, they could have more influence of making the world more wicked. Do they want to? Maybe I would love to think UFOs are here to give people knowledge and insight of how to live a better place. Do they want that technology in the hands of someone like Putin or, you know, some of our adversaries?

1:30:31Who knows? So, while I totally disagree with it, I can't, I have to say, I see some reasons for the secrecy. I don't agree with it. And everything that I've done has been pushing for transparency and answers. Maybe some of the answers are a little scary. Maybe they have, maybe the phenomenon has something to do with our existence. I'm not saying that's the case, but maybe it is. Is that a little scary? Would it impact organized religions? Would it affect our financial institutions? I mean, I remember meeting with Bigelow, this guy Robert Bigelow. He's had a lot of, like, government contracts with our government on investigating UFOs.

1:31:19UFOs. I think it was, it was like OSAP, then it went to ATIP. There was something before that, I can't remember the name of it. But anyway, you can look him up, Robert Bigelow. And he's probably, as an individual, he's had think tanks, scientific, you know, intellectual heavyweights that, NIDS. I mean, the guy's been, he's put more money into research, into the phenomenon than any other, probably any other civilian alive today. And he's had government contracts, so he's worked with government insiders as well. So I guess what I'm trying to say is the guy is clearly in a position to know what he's talking about, okay?

1:32:00And I met with him about 10 or 11, 12 years ago. And he kind of like, again, like the naive researcher that, you know, because what do I know? He's like, James, do you understand the impact this story would have on society. Well, okay, we're not alone. Isn't that great? I think it would have a very unifying effect on all culture and religions, and I think it would unify us. I think it'd be amazing. And he just kind of laughed a little bit, and he looked at me, and he's like, we've done some research. I don't know if they researched that. Yeah, I think it's on the impact of disclosure. and he said that he'd take every scandal in the history of scandals, multiply that by a million, and he said that's the impact it would have if the truth came out.

1:32:53He talked about organized religion and financial institutions and all these things. Now, I'm not saying that

1:33:04I haven't looked into it to that level, that I agree with it, but I can't ignore it or just completely dismiss it because of who he is. He also said to me something that I've shared once or twice on a podcast, and again, I have to say this to your audience because people are going to go, James Fox is walking among us. And I'm not saying that. Why do you always feel as if you need to defend yourself? Because I have a level of access to intel folks inside and I don't want to jeopardize that. Yeah, of course, no way about snatching. If I start making wild accusations and claims, that could really jeopardize the 30 years that I've worked so hard.

1:33:49But you've came this far. I have. And even if I take it back. I'm not saying that they're not. I'm just not saying that they are. I'm saying that he told me. I said, what do you mean they're walking among us? And he said, I mean, just that. I mean, if that's true, if, I'm just saying, if that's true, that's a big deal, then, oh, well, I'll give you another example. You can talk about the cover-up. You don't just look at what the phenomenon does. You look at what it doesn't do. All they have to do is hover over, you know, Glasgow for an hour or two. Game over. Hover over the Macy's Day Parade, a football game.

1:34:34I mean, they've done that a little bit in Italy in the past. But nowadays, it would be game over. They don't do that. And you have to ask yourself, why don't they do that? How come they haven't overtly announced their presence? They've done some pretty, like, bold moves. You know, I could go into some cases where they've done some, like, whoa, okay, that's pretty bold. Well, like landing on a joint U.S.-British military base. You know, this thing came down and landed and was sat on the ground for, like, 45 minutes. How do we also know that with the technology now and things looking kind of spaceshipy cars tesla you know things are changing materials are changing how do you know that the government haven't created something as such as a ufo because people now talking about ufo invasions coming soon and to try and bring a one world order like you've got to stay open-minded to everything even if ufos do exist can you imagine them looking down the earth seeing the destruction religions oh yeah divide and conquer people killing each other the wars, the homelessness the destruction if the world was millions of galaxies and other planets out there and we're doing it all wrong down here it'd make you sad to think why are people hurting each other why have we got money that people are full of greed and full of hate and full of pain suicide, addictions so much destruction but they must come down here and think they're off their fucking head maybe that's why they come down float around and go fuck this I'm back out of here you know because if people actually seen the bigger scale of the universe or what else actually out there it would make them realize what are we fighting for down here everybody bleeds the same doesn't matter what religion you are doesn't matter what color you are or what age you are we're human you strip all that shit back what are we we're good human beings that humans are good when bad shit happens we tend to want to go forward and help and that's the the beauty of it but there's just so much divide and we always talk about divide and conquer people are divided they're easier to control, and it's mad to think that what could be?

1:36:38I'd love to share with your audience a moment that I had with Edgar Mitchell, who was Apollo 14. And he said something so profound to me. It was just, first of all, I said to him, I've shared this once or twice before, I said, what was it like? We were in the middle of an interview about Roswell and UFOs, and I said, I'm really sorry, Dr. Mitchell. I know you've been asked this many times, but what was the light to go to the moon? And he said, well, James, he's very measured and calm. And well, James, if you'd really like to know, I'd be happy to tell you. I said, yes, I would. So he said that when they left Earth, They had to do what's called a translunar injection.

1:37:37They'd go around the Earth, and then they had to fire the rockets, and then shut the rocket, get the trajectory just perfect, and then shut the rockets off, and then coast for three days, I think it was. If they got the trajectory off, they'd hit the moon and explode and die, or they would ricochet off the moon and bounce off into space and gone forever, right? So it had to be absolutely perfect, apparently. But he said, you might as well have been in a simulator because he was so focused on the task at hand. He literally said, I didn't have time to reflect on what I was actually doing. And then when they got to the moon, they had to detach from the lunar orbiter Michael Collins was in and go down and land.

1:38:21And he said, my job was to land the lunar module and get it right, you know, and land. And he landed, and he said he shut everything, all the systems off, and he said that you never heard a quiet like this. You could hear these, like, macro meteorites pelting the skin of that fine paper-like craft. And NASA wanted them all to go to sleep because they'd basically been up for three straight days. So they tried. They jumped in their hammocks, and they're trying to go to sleep, but they were so excited, they said, we can't sleep. let's go walk on the moon. So they put their suits on, and they go out there, and he said he's bouncing around on this surface of the moon, and he sees this, oh, God, purple, sorry, blue, white, like this marble just elevate up above the lunar surface, and it was this beautiful marble object that came up, And he said it was just, it was an Earth rise.

1:39:28And it was, he said it was like an oasis in a vast darkness. Like, he said, you don't understand darkness until you've been to space. Like the vacuum of space and like the void of space. And he said there was this oasis, this beautiful blue marble coming up. And he said it was the most magical, beautiful moment of his life. And he put out one glove and he held it out like that. and he blocked the entire earth with one hand. He said all the human race, all the cultures, all the, everything that he always learned in his whole life, there were no lines, there were no borders. It was one race, one species, and it had to just, like, go to space to see that, this deeply profound, moving effect on his life from that moment onwards.

1:40:25And I always think about that. When I look at the moon, I think about how fortunate I was to be able to talk to somebody who walked on the moon and had that epiphany, had that vision, saw it and felt it. I mean, it's one to talk about it, but you see it, you know? What year did he go to the moon? 1972, I believe it was. Isn't it mad though? Because the footage from 1967 or 68 with Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong? 1969, July. 1969 the footage looks so fake though that's the only thing that's my concern of why is people not at the moon now with better footage better cameras you know because it's talk about the boot as well with the the marks under the boot was different and the flag moving and when the spaceship was going up who was how was the camera moving up a lot of there's it's mad to think people think the world's round flat the moon landers are real the moon landers are fake because you've actually spoke to the person.

1:41:22I can get why you believe. Wow. Blown away. Yeah, I was also friends with Faye Ann Potter. I knew that. She's the sister of Buzz Aldrin, who landed on the moon with Neil Armstrong. And I was really good friends with her. What were they like? She shared photographs of the mission with me, their personal photographs that hadn't been released with NASA. She had them on her wall in her house in Larkspur, California. And I met Buzz Aldrin on a number of occasions. and what I say to people, because people go, oh, we didn't go to the moon. My next-door neighbor I was really good friends with. We didn't go to the moon, that's bullshit.

1:41:56And I say, show me one astronaut, one astronaut who came forward and said it was all a hoax. You won't find that. Show me one legitimate official NASA employee. There were thousands. Not one will come forward and tell you it was a hoax. So you mean to tell me that tens of thousands of people were in on that hoax? Now, I did bring this up with Edgar Mitchell about some of the shadows and shit of that nature. He said, James, it wouldn't surprise me. He didn't say this happened. It wouldn't surprise me if some things were shot. He said it was the most expensive effort in the history of mankind. We had Hasselblad cameras, no viewfinders, and we had gardening gloves on.

1:42:44And we're supposed to get the best footage that the entire world is going to be working on? Do you think that we are going to come home empty-handed? He goes, it wouldn't surprise me if they had backup shots or something that they did. Not to say that that happened, but it wouldn't surprise me. Why is no doing backup? When it came to Apollo 13, people didn't give a shit anymore. They didn't even pay attention to it. The only reason why Apollo 13 got any notoriety at all is because they almost perished out there. They were literally relaying like they'd done with Apollo 11, back to Earth. People had lost interest.

1:43:21Public support for the program that was incredibly expensive waned significantly. We beat the Russians. We've done it. Mission accomplished. We have other resources that we could, you know, money that we need to focus on other terrestrial issues, and public support just waned. What about Elon Musk trying to get to Mars? Do you think that's a possibility? I do. But he says that they have to figure out the radiation exposure. That's the biggest issue on how they're going to do that. It's weight, propulsion, fuel, food, but the radiation exposure. I'm not a specialist, so I'm not the guy to talk to.

1:44:00Yeah, I'm not a specialist. I can only watch a few videos and make my own assumptions. Like, it's just when they're outside the space, the camera never seems to do a 360. It's always looking down. and I think it's just I don't have the answers I'm not a scientist I don't know I can only watch videos and you go ah it makes sense because the human mind was so busy and caught up in our own struggles in life we forget to think what's out there is that true is that fake is there other people out there and it's a beautiful thing to think there's better life out there somewhere did you ever see who's boyakasha Ali G Ali G goes to interview Buzz Aldrin It was so funny.

1:44:41And he goes, he's like, yo, yo, so it's like, when are we gonna go to the sun? And he's like, well, actually, the sun is extremely hot, and it would burn up, and we'll go during the winter. He's like, well, no, actually. He goes, well, we'll just go around the backside. How do we know the moon is really, he was expecting to say, how do we, you know, how do we know we really went to the moon? and he said, how do we know the moon's really even there? I was like, what? Anyway, he was so funny. Allergy is funny. Allergy was so funny. I've done Allergy and then Borat, and I think you've done interviews with David Beckham.

1:45:19Huge in the United States. Yeah, massive. Was he huge here too? Oh, he's massive. Oh, yeah. He's funny. I don't think his films have been a bit shit lately, but back then it was the boldness. But Allergy couldn't fool anybody anymore because everybody knows who Allergy is, right? But he was so funny. But also, I talked to some NASA officials about it, because I brought it up. I'm always curious, too. You've got to be. Yeah. Always got to keep an open mind to everything. And I brought it up, and they're like, well, we have, uh, you can see things that we left with high-powered telescopes apparently on the moon.

1:45:49There was a number of arguments, counterarguments, that NASA officials had brought up to me, because I brought it up. I mean, it was, people were really questioning, like I said, one of my best friends, my next-door neighbor, one of my best friends, like, we didn't go to the moon, that's bullshit. And so I brought it up. Give me the 10 strongest points. And I remember these NASA officials were like, because I was on a TV show called, it was a stupid TV show I did for National Geographic. I'm terribly embarrassed to admit that I did it, but I did it. My mistake, it was called Chasing UFOs. And, but I got to go to the original room at NASA where the headquarters for the landing operations, I think it was Fort Lauderdale.

1:46:33Or was it Texas? I'm sorry. It might have been Texas. Well, I should know this. I should know this stuff. Houston. Anyway. And so I talked to NASA officials, and they gave me some pretty irrefutable evidence as we went to the moon. Yeah. What about the pyramids? Sorry? The pyramids in Egypt. We talk about millions of these big fucking bits of cement just all aligned. and there's little rooms and they're all two of the centimeter. But there's people talking about that from other life out here who's then created that because it's in the same, under some certain stars at the North Star. Their understanding of astronomy apparently was just unbelievable.

1:47:18And the level of precision with the construction and due north and all this stuff, like I'm learning about it. I've had a fascinating with the Sphinx and Pyramids of Giza. I remember watching a documentary by John Anthony West back in the 90s called Mystery of the Sphinx. Excuse me. And I just relic weird artifacts that don't belong. Cave art. Petroglyphs. Things of that nature that clearly depict what a modern day sighting would be. What a camera would take a picture of. Do you know what I mean? Like when I was, I think there's an historical aspect to the phenomenon. I think it's been going on forever.

1:47:54I think that I could be totally wrong, and I don't know this, it's not my area of expertise, but I have seen extremely, I mean, I've researched the modern day phenomenon, right? So I have lots of comparisons. And when I see ancient cave art from 5 ,000 years ago, depicting the wangina from the aboriginals in Australia or different petroglyphs or carvings of objects, I'm like, wow, that's very, quite similar to, you know. Dr. Jacques Vallée wrote a book called Wonders in the Sky. I recommend looking it up. It's just all photographs of all the inexplainable connections with the ancient civilizations that have talked about this.

1:48:38And I'm watching this documentary series right now called Ancient Apocalypse by a guy named, what's, he's not an, he calls himself a journalist. He's been on, he worked with John Anthony West. I'm so sorry, I can't remember his name right now. He was on Joe Rogan. He's a big deal, but he put together this whole piece, and he talks about exactly, like, how did they do this? Look how big this was. These 50-ton or 200-ton stone blocks elevated with, super high off the ground with laser-like precision and the due north aspect of it all. They had a profound understanding of astronomy way back then.

1:49:24And the nature of erosion, they talked about this. It's fascinating stuff, but the nature of erosion was like, let's say, water as opposed to wind and sand that would indicate that it wasn't built by the pharaohs. It was built, you know. So all these little things put together a very compelling story, in my opinion, that perhaps somebody else built these things. I'm not saying it wasn't us or it was us. I don't know. But it's quite fascinating. And I've been looking into it. But that's not my area of expertise. What do you think of NASA? Do you think they're here for a good purpose or a bad purpose?

1:50:01Because they've got a lot of information. A lot of people, they get whistleblowers from time to time. But they don't seem as if they seem to cover up a lot more than what they should. Yeah. I think that they've been in on the cover-up, too. I mean, I interviewed that very, Gary McKinnon. Gary McKinnon. You guys can look him up. It was the biggest hack in, I think it was U.S. history at the time. I want to say late 90s, early 2000s. Gary McKinnon went on to, I mean, he went to a number of DOD, NSA, and he went into a NASA site based on some testimony from a whistleblower regarding optics of satellite imagery of UFOs, things of that nature.

1:50:48And he was on NASA and he came upon, he was in the process of downloading a photograph on NASA's sites, but hidden from the general public of a cylindrical shape, metallic, cigar-shaped metallic object with a little bubble on the top that was clearly taken from a satellite in space that he said it was just absolutely jaw-dropping. And then he got caught, and he had men in suits show up at his house in England, and then he was facing 70 years in prison. Do you remember hearing about this? Yeah. Yeah, Gary McKinnon. You can look him up. Yeah, it's a crazy story. I just interviewed him because I've always wanted to.

1:51:26But he gets sent to prison anyway, did he not? Not exactly. It was really tough. He's got extreme limitations on where he can travel, but he faced 70 years in prison. He's Scottish. There was a Scottish guy who done the same. He was a Scottish guy. Yeah. Because I told him I'm here. I actually reached out to him. I told him I'm here. I think it was his YouTube channel a couple of years ago to get him on. I told him I'm here, and he said, I thought this was so beautiful. Oh, my gosh. He said, please kiss the ground for me, because he misses Scotland so much, and he can't come here anymore for now.

1:52:01But he risked everything, and I believe him. I absolutely believe him. And he said that there were, that he came upon photographs, one in particular, that NASA was hiding from the people. So you asked me what I think about NASA. NASA, the head of NASA right now, who was a former senator, he was in Senate Intel, Nelson, Um, he has made some very compelling statements regarding UAP or UFOs in the last couple. Very compelling. But their investigation that they got started roughly a little over a year ago, they're supposed to make some announcements. We'll see what happens. I'm not holding my breath.

1:52:49Mm-hmm. So for anybody that's maybe watching and it's sitting on the fence of all this, What's the best thing they can watch or look up on to see, ah, okay, maybe there is? Or anybody that's skeptical? I would say that I spent pretty much my whole adult life trying to put together the best evidence to make a case that we're dealing with something that defies a conventional explanation. And I did a pretty good job putting that together for the phenomenon

1:53:25because, I mean, I spent, well, I tried it. I wanted to create a body of evidence that could be, imagine being in a courtroom and you're presenting your case to a jury. So I thought about that when I put together the phenomenon, like, okay, let me put together some of the best archival cases, some of the best archival footage, some of the best archival photographic evidence, government documentation, and tell the story, put the pieces of the puzzle together, tell the story in a compelling and comprehensive way. And it took me probably four previous films to get there. But I think with the phenomenon, we finally have a documentary that...

1:54:11puts the pieces of the puzzle together in a way that, allows the audience to really make an informed decision on what they think is going on. I guess that's the best way I could say it. Do you know what I mean? I'm not trying to ram down anyone's throat. Hey, ET's here. They've landed. I don't know. Could it be interdimensional? Could it be us coming back in the future? Hey, my mind is open. I don't know. I don't have all the answers. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know still. And I'm extremely curious. The one thing I try to tell is, myself included, I was like, suspend judgment, listen to the eyewitness testimony, and then draw your own conclusions.

1:54:51Because - How big are these aircraft supposed to be? Because you see so many different footages, so many different shapes and sizes. How big are they normally, and how many people could fit in them? I think there's no normally in this field. But the biggest one I ever heard, and I remind your audience, I actually interviewed the governor. that's the president of a state the governor of Arizona, Fife Simonson who was also a witness he saw it with his own eyes he said the sheer size of this thing and the way it flew slowly and quietly it floated a mile to two miles across think about that one to two miles across I had eyewitnesses that said they would lie down on their front lawn in front of their homes and watch it on their backs float over them.

1:55:47They could see all these little compartments and metal this and like a floating city, some of them described it as. So that's one of the biggest UFOs I've heard of. I interviewed a police department in Dublin, Texas. And the officers said they shot video footage of it. Of course, the local Air Force Base got their hands on that. they'll be coming out with that story. As soon as they leave the Dublin Police Department, they're going to come, the witnesses are going to come forward. But he said that, he said, James, this object was so big, it was like a floating department store. I mean, it was absolutely colossal.

1:56:26And it was floating there. I took my gun, sorry, I had a dash cam, and he said he rotated the dash cam up and filmed it, and simultaneously, all the police cars were stopped in the middle of the industry, parked, he pulled out his radar gun, and he pointed his radar gun at it, and it was doing 22 miles an hour. He said it was like a floating city. And he had footage of it. That was the Dublin Police Department. So those are two examples of some of the bigger cases, some of the bigger craft witnessed by very credible people. And then I've got some people that see things like little orbs that are the size of a golf ball.

1:57:03the Foo Fighters back in World War II those were little Foo F is fire right for French F and little balls of light that would fly around and obviously under intelligent control so all shapes all sizes cigar shape the case with the film I did Moment of Contact the alleged crash in Virginia Brazil that object was the shape funny enough it was very similar to what Gary McKinnon described, a cylindrical shaped, metallic, cigar shaped, cylindrical shaped, metallic object, about the size of a school bus, a big school bus, which I guess would be about the size of a small house, but cylindrical. MARK BLYTHSCHER When you see airplanes going missing with no wreckage, do you ever think possibly it could have been?

1:57:54MARK BLYTHSCHER One case. MARK BLYTHSCHER Someone's beat me up kind of thing. MARK BLYTHSCHER One case. MARK BLYTHSCHER One case. MARK BLYTHSCHER One case. What's that pyramid? VALENTECK. Look it up. What's the pyramid when things go missing? Yeah, yeah. Bermuda Triangle. Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. Do you ever think possibly it could be something that's took it? There's one case that is extremely alarming. And I - I said this once before, and somebody, but I think it's out. I'm not going to say where, but I heard Valentech. It was in Australia. Flying, I think it was early evening out of Australia, and they were flying over to, is it Papua New Guinea?

1:58:37No, sorry, my geometry, I'm trying to think. But in any case, you can look it up. 1970s Valentech. It was a young pilot in his 20s, and the transmissions between him and the tower were recorded. And he describes an unknown object getting closer, getting closer, getting closer. It's right over the top of me getting closer. Then you hear a big metal clang, and he was never seen ever again. It's a pretty crazy case. It happened in Australia in the 70s. Valentech. You can look it up. In one of your documentaries, there was an aircraft apparently hovering in Australia. What was that one? Oh, it's a great case.

1:59:181966, Westall Primary School, April 1966, and it was a landing, and it was witnessed by over 300 people, including the teachers. And I interviewed the science teacher, this guy Greenwood, and a bunch of the, yeah, that happened broad daylight. Yeah. And there was a gentleman a couple days earlier by the name of James Kibble. He was an engineer. And he took a photograph of what could very likely be the object that landed at the school. One can't say definitively, but it was very close, just a few miles away, two days earlier. A lot of times when you have a sighting, like a mass sighting, there'll be sightings in and around the area for up to a week.

2:00:05So, good case. Yeah. You wanted to speak about ICIG, so I didn't want to mess that. What is that? Yes. Okay. So I have a statement that your audience would like to hear about. I mean, some of your audience, you have a more mainstream audience. Your audience probably doesn't really know a lot about the phenomenon, about UFOs, or maybe you guys are interested or not. But this event that happened last month in the United States, where you had open congressional hearings of intel official David Grush, under oath, testifying that we have crashed materials in our possession. Some people have criticized him, said, well, he's not a firsthand witness.

2:00:51He just came upon these programs during his investigation. He was doing his job. he gave all the details, you know, that couldn't be revealed publicly in a skiff, which is an environment that's closed off from the outside, and he could give the names, the locations, the names of the programs, and all the explanations one could want. But there is an individual that is on the verge of going public, and I thought that your audience might like to hear from this. Okay? Here we go. Hello, James. This is a first-hand intel guy witness. Hello, James. It's been a while since we collaborated on a public statement.

2:01:39As you know, I'm working to get private industry and Congress to collaborate on the UAP materials and biologics. Yes, both are part of the legacy program. I know we had a few oddball comments from folks who haven't been in the program, but as someone with firsthand knowledge and knowing other firsthand experiencers, we have been asked to formalize our testimony through the same ICIG, it's Intelligence Community Inspector General, process that David Grush went through. Unlike David, I personally have not experienced any attacks from the government nor DOD. My reason for coming forward is purely to provide factual information concerning the people, locations, private laboratories, and research facilities that exist around the world in an effort to help the investigative process.

2:02:37It's always my hope that the DOD, Pentagon, and the Legacy Program people are allowed to get out from under the heavy-handed weaponization of the exotic technologies they have. I believe there is a solid path for everyone to come forward without reprisal and to help mankind by making the non-classified aspects more transparent and available for the sectors of our societies that involve medicine, energy production, and the enlightenment of our collective mindset as human beings. I'm encouraged by all the hard work that many unsung heroes are doing behind the scenes, and I can tell you there's a lot, as well as in the public domain.

2:03:22I will be coming forward when the time is right. I wish you and everyone you read this letter to all the blessings and goodwill they deserve. The truth is now being revealed, and I promise to continue doing my part. Anyway, that's someone who's not in a position to go public just yet, but just going through the process. There's a particular process that they have to go through before they can become, I guess, whistleblower, right? So that was a message from one of those individuals that we'll be hearing from probably as early as this year. RAOUL PAL. What would happen if you actually seen an alien or a UFO?

2:04:00Would that be your work complete or is that a case of I'm only just beginning? What's the whole end product for you? If it is one, but what would you do if you actually seen it with your own eyes? Would it make sense then? And you've not wasted 30 years, 40 years? MARK BLYTHSKY Well, you've not wasted it anyway. It's not to run down your work, but you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I already know the phenomenon's real. So it's not a question of, do I need personal validation? Most people I know that claim, most are very credible, to have come face to face with a being from another world, it doesn't really help them along in life too well.

2:04:44You know, you're laughed at, ridiculed, nobody believes you. It doesn't, it's not a career enhancing story. So I don't think that anyone that I know, and I've met quite a few, who have had this type of experience and benefited in any way. I'll give you an example. One of the most well-documented close encounters of the third kind, and I remind your audience, that's when a witness reports an alien, basically, is in the United States, is a case that happened in 1964 in Socorro, New Mexico, and the witness was a police officer on duty by the name of Lonnie Zamora.

2:05:38And Lonnie reported this the military got involved within an hour. It's a super long story, but the aspect of the craft was, details were revealed, but the alleged encounter with the Beans, that was something that the United States Air Force desperately pleaded with him. I know because I talked to his family and his coworkers. They wanted to downplay that aspect of the encounter because it's one thing to have an unknown object in the sky, right? It's another thing to have beings on the ground talking about. I mean, that's very difficult to give a prosaic explanation when you're looking into the eyes of an alien, right?

2:06:23And Lonnie's wife said to me, the witness, the police officer who was on duty, she said, Lonnie was never the same after that. She's like, I don't know exactly what he saw, but he was never the same. He lost his job. He worked at a garbage site. He was ridiculed and laughed at. It was a horrible experience for him. He didn't benefit in any way. In fact, he wanted to completely isolate himself. He never went on speaking tour. He never, he gave, if he did give an interview, a handful of interviews in an entire lifetime, he said, don't ask me about the aliens that I saw. Keep that apart, separate.

2:07:16He almost never talked about it. So when you ask me, like, if I saw an alien, would that sort of put the whole thing to rest? I would say based on the people that I've interviewed and met with, and in cases that I've investigated, it's actually had a deleterious effect on their lives. Made it worse. Made it worse, yeah, because who's going to believe you? Yeah. You know what I mean? First of all, you're just going to get laughed at. No one's going to believe you. It's a question I like, because I remember when we interviewed Military X in moment of contact. And I'm looking in this guy's eyes, and I'm thinking to myself, this guy probably drove an alien around.

2:07:59Probably. And I was telling Joe Rogan about it. I said, uh... Did you... I said, well, it wasn't... It didn't... It's been horrible for him. Joe was like, why has it been horrible? The guy, like, got to see an alien? That's been horrible? So, yeah, the guy's been having a look over his shoulder. the secrecy around it. Like, you know, all this speculation about the case and everything that's going on, and this guy's walking around with the biggest secret. He's harboring the weight of that on his shoulders. Can't talk about it with his family. Can't talk about it with his friends. He's been threatened his life.

2:08:37He gets calls from the military base to remind him of his oath and not talk, you know, how you doing? Are you still living here? How are your kids? You know, like, keep your mouth shut, you know, kind of thing. And I could see that. In the movie, we're filming him from the back, but I'm looking him dead square in the eyes. I could see the toll that that has taken on this gentleman's life. He hasn't benefited in any way, shape, or form. In fact, quite the contrary. So, I get people, like I went to this expo last week, and I couldn't believe how many people came up to me and gave me a hug and shook my hand.

2:09:19I was like, so touched, like, what? They said, you're one of very few people that we can come to and talk to and tell what we experience, and we know that you're not going to laugh at us, you know? And so it's not... I don't think that anybody benefits, really, that I can think of from seeing that. Unless it, you know, I guess it came out and was officially acknowledged by governments from around the world. And if you want, we can talk about the politics of disclosure a bit, because that's something that I'm going to be covering in my new movie. Because I used to think it's something super simple.

2:10:00Sorry if I'm like, okay, excuse me. Let me get a glass of water. I used to think it would be simple, like the government, like the President of the United States.

2:10:16where you have literally a section in our upcoming movie called The Politics of Disclosure. And I used to think, for decades, that the President of the United States would come forward and step at the podium and say, my fellow Americans, it has been brought to my attention that this is going on, blah, blah, blah, right? And then I started thinking about it. The President of any country, it's probably hated by half the population, right? So then it's like this politicized thing. So then the president's going to make this huge announcement, and then the president, what is he going to have access to?

2:10:55If you make that kind of statement, you better have proof to back it up. Are the intel folks going to produce everything they've got? It's not a job for Congress. It's not a job for people in the Senate or the House in the United States. Certainly, it's not their job, right? So is it a job for the United Nations? Is it a panel of international scientists? Well, if that's the case, then they're going to have to produce definitive proof, right? Let's see the craft. Let's see the bodies. What do you got? You better show me more than a photograph. So now, suddenly, these intel folks are going to have to produce the evidence they've got.

2:11:38They've got means and ways as well, right? You've got killer satellite photography. over Iraq, and you've got, you know, whatever, or wherever you are. You're going to reveal the means and ways. But now they're going to have to share, how are you going to announce that you have it, not show it? And how are you going to show it to your friends without sharing it with your enemies? We're going to keep that from the rest of the world? I know it seems like this easy thing, but honestly, it's very, it's almost impossible. Like, I'm interviewing this guy, talking with this guy right now who said to me that the Bush Jr.

2:12:21administration, President Bush, the one that took us to war in Iraq, that administration, not his father. And apparently he convened a panel to disclose this whole story. I don't know how long this panel was convened for, whether it was a year or whether it was two. but he said that they came back and realized it couldn't be done I said well what do you mean it couldn't be done and they were like well think about it if you start going down the different avenues of alright let's try this that doesn't really work you try going down how do you do it and then you've got America which represents such a small percentage of the world population we're going to tell the rest of the world that we're not alone hey guess what world to the other 97 % of you we've you know what I mean Like, do you get in touch with other world leaders?

2:13:11What do they know? Like, what does Russia have? What does China have? Like, I don't know, man. I don't know how they're going to do it. I really don't. But it's not easy. What about Antarctica? I know now that I've heard about it. I know Linda Moulton-Howe is deeply into that. I personally have never met any witnesses from. I never heard any credible testimony of underground bases there. It would certainly be a great spot if there were. But I just could open my mouth and I wouldn't have anything intelligent to say. But I will say this. I was doing this, you know, after the phenomenon came out in 20...

2:13:56Shoot, it was the end of 2020. So it was almost 2021. It was like kind of the film of 2021 during the pandemic. Everyone was like, aliens, UFOs, you know? It's probably one of the reasons why it was as successful as it was. Everyone's locked up in their houses watching aliens, right? But I was putting together this thing called the UAP Transparency Act or something. Basically what it was was, hey, let's get everybody to sign a petition. We're going to talk about what we now know, what's happening behind the scenes, and see if we can get people to sign on and encourage our government officials to support transparency on the topic.

2:14:40And I was working with this intel guy, and he goes, hold on a second. Change that language. I said, why? Well, maybe they might be living in our oceans. I said, excuse me? He's like, well, just change it, because if you leave it this way, then all the possibilities are still on the table. I said, wait a minute, hang on a second. Do you know something that I don't? And that was the end of it. But this individual is pretty, you know, it was just me and him. I thought, you know. And then you have reports from David Fravor and other people of these things coming in and out. I don't know. So you asked me about Antarctica, I knew nothing.

2:15:25You asked me about oceans. I've heard credible reports from people in submarines, people in the Navy, saying there are things in our oceans that we cannot explain. No question. Because there's 80 % or something. Huge. The waters we've never seen or never even took space. Yeah. And they come, apparently, they come out of the water almost as quickly as they go in. It's almost like the two different atmospheres or something don't affect the propulsion of the craft or something. They go in and out like it's nothing. Well, I'm not a witness, but that's what I've heard. So if someone sees an unknown object, surely there's radars.

2:16:10Surely there's people in towers who can track to see if there's been objects in that area. There must be something logged in to say, okay, there was an object here. We don't really know what it was, but it's went away in this speed. Or is the unknown objects, UFOs, fly under the radar? How does it work? Has anybody ever? So there's a very famous. Because you spoke to pilots and stuff that must come on the radar. Oh, no question. That there's some objects there. So I'll give you an example that I know about. And that's the Nimitz case. And it happened in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, about 200 miles off the coast.

2:16:48David Fravor, there was that one female pilot, Kit Kilrich. I have to look up her name. They said that they had radar data. the people on the ships were picking up objects that were going from 80 ,000 feet, and 80 ,000 feet is basically space, I guess, and it would go from 80 ,000 feet down to sea level in the blink of an eye. And this was going on for days, if not weeks. And finally, I guess they got enough, they got a report of some things on the radar, and that's when the now infamous encounter with the Tic Tac, with David Fravor, the pilot of the Navy. and David Fravor is asked to go and intercept, go and investigate this whole thing.

2:17:33And this dramatic encounter with this tic-tac-shaped object lasts for several minutes. And I guess they go and David Fravor has this incredible cat and mouse with this thing. It's all out there. And then he lands and then somebody else goes up and he manages to film this object, I guess with FLIR, forward infrared. What does FLIR stand for? I don't remember. But it's basically heat signatures, right? So it's picking up this like tic-tac and that's the now infamous tic-tac shaped white object that shoots off to the side. Well, those tapes, that footage of the tic-tac was walked out of the Pentagon and onto the front page of the New York Times.

2:18:22And that's probably why you and I are even having this conversation right now. But apparently the logs and the radar tapes of all of this during that window are all gone. And nobody knows what happened to those. So the log books and the radar could give us so much more information, right? But it's all gone. So there's, you know, there's unfortunately an effort to cover this stuff up, just like Calvin. Calvin UFO photograph disappeared, six of them, and the witnesses, because that case is incredibly compelling. You've got six photographs, broad daylight, with a Harrier jet, and two witnesses, and points of reference.

2:19:19That's rare. And it's on film, so you can study the, you know, you can do the analysis from the negatives. Does your life ever become in danger? You know, I think the only time, in my opinion, the only time, I mean, look, there's no question that I've been, at the very least, monitoring what I'm up to, no question about that. But the only time I would be concerned is if, let's just say, I went to Brazil again, which I'll probably be doing at some point, and I did manage to get my hands on the videotaped evidence of the creature that was in captivity at Humanitas Hospital, or maybe at the military base, EZA or Campinas.

2:20:04I would be legitimately concerned for my safety until I could get, and I've thought about that. Like, what would I do? Let's say I make the deal, and I've been in negotiations with a number of different people for about a year now. How do I actually execute that? Do I bring cash? What, you're going to give me the footage before you get the cash? Do I give you the cash first, then I get the footage? Now I've got the footage. You've got the cash. I'm in the depths of Brazil and now I've got to get out of Brazil well what happens if the government gets I mean the military base was already making phone calls to people that we had just met with or we were about to meet with so they're hip to what I'm doing I'm not hiding it I'm down there interviewing people in the streets I'm interviewing the mayor right it's no secret I'm down there doing what I'm doing but let's just say that I did have that footage okay I have whether whatever you, suspend judgment for a moment.

2:21:02If I had video of a flippin' alien, okay, in my position that was shot by military, that I'm bought off a military witness and I'm trying to sneak that out of the country, I would be legitimately concerned for my safety. Absolutely, yes. Now, I thought about, like, when that day comes, and I think it will, how do I do it? It's probably going to be on an older format, right? Unless I get them to digitize it. It'll be on an old format from the 90s, right? Do I upload it to a server? Can I upload it from a server? Do I need to go to some place? Like, how do I physically get that out of the country of Brazil and back to the United States?

2:21:49That's something that, you know, that worries me a little bit. It seems easy, right? I just go meet with... But people don't realize that the witnesses are terrified. Witnesses that just want to talk about what they saw are terrified. Now imagine if you got video evidence of that creature, that alien, that being, whatever you want to call it. You know, that would be reason for concern. No question about it. No question about it. Could aliens be living among us now? Yes. They could be. In human form, just a disguise and another. I've met a number of very credible people that have told me that's the case.

2:22:33I don't just believe it because somebody told me. I haven't seen one that I know of. But if it were true, that would be really crazy. But I have brought it up. I've heard it firsthand from military folks. Military folks. I'll say that again. military folks deep on the inside have told me this. Not one, not two, but probably more than that, three or four. And then I've met with some people that I trust and I've said, hey, I've heard this account and I've heard that account. Do you believe that could be true? And it's kind of like a little nod, like they barely even want to say anything, kind of like, Yeah, could be.

2:23:22So I have not, like you said, I have to keep an open mind, and I can't just dismiss something because I find it to be outrageously unbelievable. And that does sound that way. And I can imagine that your audience say, this guy James Fox just lost me because he's saying now that there are aliens walking among us. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I've heard very compelling accounts from credible witnesses, some in the military, that have seen them and came face to face with them. And they've told me that. I can't, just like my men in black, it took me like 20 years to come round. I'm in the coming round process on that.

2:23:56I think you'd be surprised that the amount of people actually think like that, that there is people among us. If you actually look up to the sky, you just, if you're not asking that question, there's something else out there, then you're fucking too busy with life. You've just got to be. Very different from asking the question, are we alone in the universe, to are they walking among us? Yeah, but I feel as if we're at that stage now where something's not quite right. Hopefully they're here, if they are, for a good reason. And it's to try and guide and help and make life better. But right now, the world seems a bit in turmoil.

2:24:30It seems a bit messy. Definitely seems like a turning point, that's for sure. I mean, it's interesting that all these things coming to a head on planet Earth right now, and yet paralleling all that is this unprecedented push push for transparency and transparency on a story that could possibly change the course of history, that could possibly be a paradigm-shifting story. It's like I've said this countless times on this podcast, if any of this is true, it's the biggest story of modern history. I personally feel, and I know that a lot of people would agree with me on this, that it would have that similar effect that Edgar Mitchell felt on the moon when he looked back at planet Earth as this little blue marble suspended in a vacuum of deep space and this oasis of life.

2:25:27All one race, one species. You know, no borders, no differences, just, you know, one people. Just equal. And I really believe that this story would have that similar effect on us. I really do. And I've said that for decades. Why do you think we're here, humans? I have no idea. We're not here to fight and kill each other, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, definitely not. Where do you go forward for the future, then, James Dubois? Well, so it's interesting. So I'm doing a documentary right now. About 80 % of it's shot. I say shot, but it's captured on camera. I'm going back to DC in about a week. And I want to put a laser-like focus on where the evidence is and who has the authority to release it.

2:26:16I want to talk about the politics of disclosure. I want to talk about what's gone down between 2017 and today, because there's a lot of stuff that's gone down. And yeah, the politics of disclosure. And then, you know, hopefully I can, like, focus on other things that I have interest in life. I'm not just interested in UFOs. I'm raising a kid. I have a nine-year-old that I love him dearly. And I live out in the country and on the East Coast of America. And I love hiking and biking and swimming and all the things. And I love doing those with my son. But I have to strike while the iron's hot. So I'm staying focused on this topic.

2:27:05It's never been more, I think, relevant and point of focus. Like something's happening. Something big is happening. And anyone who's paying attention could tell you that this is unprecedented, what's happening. And I think sit tight. Because you look at babies and kids, it's the most precious thing on the planet. Oh, my gosh. So why do we stay so focused on work or business when really should we be focused on the kids to then? Because nothing else matters. Who gives a fuck if somebody was on the moon or there's aliens or whatever. When you're with your child, that's life. It's complete. Nothing else matters.

2:27:54Yeah, I know. I think about... Why do you do it then? Well, I just think about... Well, no question about it. I'll give you an example. This is the most beautiful moment of the last 10 years of my life. I was riding my son. So, I lived in a small town. I've moved since then, but at the time, and it was, you know, like a couple miles to my son's school, and it would be a great way for me in the morning to get some exercise. So, I would throw my son in this little seat that I had on the front handlebars, you know, and he'd put his little helmet on, and he was young, and we'd ride the bicycle together, no electric.

2:28:31It was just all manual, right? And I get a nice workout. And I'm wrapping up the phenomenon, you know, which was a colossal, like, the last 10 % of getting a film across the finishing line actually is extremely challenging. There's so many things you have to do. Lawyers have to sign off on, you know, air and emissions insurance and color correction and sound design and, you know, just so much stuff that I'm dealing with, right? It was a exciting moment. But it was like, I had all this up in my mind, and I'm racing my son to school, and he's like three. And I was late, and I had these phone calls.

2:29:15We'd get to the top of this hill, and we're coming through this little forested area, and there was a bench overlooking this beautiful meadow and these trees, and my son says, Daddy, can we stop and look at the nature? And I thought, yes, we're going to do that. We're going to stop. I'm going to put all my troubles to one side right now, and I'm going to forget about all the calls I've got, scheduled, everything. I don't care. Stopped my bicycle, came to the bench, just the two of us, and we sat on the bench together, and he put his hand on my hand. And we just held hands, and we listened to the birds for like 15 minutes, late for everything, right?

2:29:55It was like, wow, that's what life's about. That's it. But yeah, I'm the same. It was so beautiful. Thank God I stopped, because I didn't want to. For a moment, you know, like, I got to get on the phone. I got to do this. I got all this other stuff I got to do. It's mad though. But I just sat there and held my son's hand, and that was the most beautiful moment of his childhood, that moment right there. Because how many times would you have wished to have done that with your dad? yeah and then I'm the same I'm a workhorse I want to be the biggest the best but when you break it all down when you take that away who the fuck am I I know I'm a good dad so I feel as if those moments with your kids because we're so caught up in our phone trying to find the next spot trying to find the next interview you're trying to find the next fucking lead to a potential UFO oh my gosh take all that bullshit away take away the podcast take away UFOs what have we got yeah do you know what I mean but I also the reality is I'm not independently wealthy.

2:30:53I've been hustling. I've been so broke during times of my production that I've gone out under the night sky and prayed to whoever's out there. E.T.? Whoever. Like, I need help. I'm done. I'm tapped out. I can't do this. And miracles would happen. I had a guy named Joe Bellotti. I just thanked him. Unfortunately, he passed. I thanked his daughter. I never met this guy. He sent me a letter with, this was like a few weeks after I, I'm not kidding you, when I tell you I went out into the night sky and I prayed, I did. I was so financially, I just, I didn't have, my parents didn't have any money, I couldn't, I was on my own.

2:31:38Couldn't turn and, can you get a, that wasn't even on the table. This guy Joe Bellotti contacts me and he sends me a letter along with a broken VHS tape. tells you how long ago this was. And he says, dear sir, I bought your, I found out about your movie and I bought your movie and I got the VH. Unfortunately, it arrived broken. Would you mind giving me a new one? And I said, my gosh, I felt terrible. I wrote him a letter. Then I said, dear sir, I'm terribly sorry for the inconvenience. Here's your money back. Here's your postage back. Here's not one, but two copies of my movie to pass one along for the friend.

2:32:22I'm so sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you so much for your support. You know, James. And my partner at the time, she was like, you're so poor, you can't afford to be giving stuff away. I said, shit, I'm treating this guy like I'd want to be treated. No, just stop it. Two weeks later, he sent me a check for$20 ,000. dollars. And that check made, got well in the works of making a film I called Out of the Blue. It sent me to Russia. It did all this stuff. I tell you, mate, if that didn't happen, I don't know what I was going to do. But just to say, like, you know, I don't have the luxury. Even now with the success that I've had, I'm I can't stop it's all I know how to do I gotta I gotta make money somehow you've got to put food on the table and I love doing what I do and I never did it for the money but I'm a dad I have a mortgage I have a son I have a partner I gotta so I gotta contribute I mean you know gotta keep moving yeah of course I get that understand the same you know what I'm saying the same listen yeah but I know what the most beautiful and precious thing is and yet absolutely I take it away and I don't want to lose 20 years of looking back yeah hopefully i'm not in my fucking deathbed in 20 but 50 years and i look back and think yeah you've just slowed down a bit yeah off your phone enjoyed like you say that 15 minutes yes that's that that's so bliss and happiness isn't a 24 7 thing yeah but it is a thing and it is a thing you can have every day and that's where we don't stop so i want to give my kids a life that i never had an opportunity so it is difficult to try and find balance but i'm not stupid towards trying to be this end product for what because then i've missed that thing that was free and that's family time yeah that's fucking just sitting with nothing on a on a park bench or feeding squirrels or whatever it is because that's the beauty of it and if you can just sit in that present moment and enjoy that then because all we have is memories That's what we take with us.

2:34:30My father was thinking that he had a year to live pretty much all my childhood. I mean, sorry, he was given like a year to live when he was 26. He might have been 27, 26, 27. And so in retrospect, I think back at the time I had with my father was so special. We always did just, we just hung out and did cool stuff, whatever we could do. It was so magical. And in retrospect, I realized he probably thought I could be dead next year. You know, I'm going to take this time and I'm going to really do fun stuff with my kids. And he did. And we did. I have such fond memories. So fortunate. And, you know, even if you're lucky to live to the ripe old age of whatever that is.

2:35:26I talk to a lot of people that are in their 80s and 90s. They say, you blink and it's over. Like, it just, you know, I recognize that. And I also, I think having a father that was, you know, that was ill at a very early age in his 20s, I don't, I know that it can happen to any of us at any time. No matter how young you are, no matter how healthy you are, don't ever take that for granted. your mobility for granted your health for granted that's all we have yeah James the boy give me a whole rundown before we finish up give me a whole rundown in the 30 years work that you have done on UFOs yes just give me a rundown on it what do you think they are are they here just give me all the work that you've done which are so I did I did a film which in the 90s called is this what you want Yeah, just give me a way.

2:36:21Yeah, yeah. So I did a film called UFOs, 50 Years of Denial, Assaults of Discovery Channel. That got me an invitation to Russia. I met with generals and military guys in Russia. I went to Star City. I met with a cosmonaut, Pavel Popovich. That ended up becoming, I met with Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper, who talked about a landing case that happened at Edwards Air Force Base that was filmed. that footage course was sent to uh the pentagon or wherever and never seen the light of day um i did a second version where i wasn't happy with the first version of out of the blue every time you finish a project it's like you know you're usually penniless and everyone's been worked so hard that when do you know you're done right do you look at it and go oh i'm fully satisfied this is the masterpiece i wanted to create or usually you're out of money and everyone's It's like, OK, we're just going to put this thing out.

2:37:17And I've made those compromises many times. Then I did another version of Out of the Blue called The Director's Cut. Spent a couple of years on that. Still wasn't quite satisfied. Then I did I Know What I Saw based on an event I did at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, where I had 14 military and government officials flying from seven countries with a woman named Leslie Cain, who's been a contributing editor to The New York Times. She broke that story about the secret Pentagon UFO program in 2017. I made a movie about that event called I Know What I Saw. I sold that as a two-part series to History Channel.

2:37:55I then took some time off. I did a film on the BP oil spill called Pretty Slick. Boy, talk about apocalyptic view. I flew in a seaplane over that area that was bubbling up oil and on fire. The oceans were on fire. Dead stuff flying up. It was apocalyptic. So I did a film called Pretty Slick. I then got back into UFOs. I mean, I was always into it, but I got back into UFOs. Oh, I did a silly TV show during that time. Oh, God. I have no one to blame but myself. But that was a six-part series. I've been traveling around. I met an amazing guy who's now my DP named David West. Then I did The Phenomenon.

2:38:34That took me about eight years. And then I went and I did Moment of Contact. and on and off that was about 10 years, on and off. And then now I'm doing a documentary, trying to put this, like where we are now, what's happening right now, how do we get here? I'm not doing a bunch of history. I'll probably start in 2017 and up to modern day, all the things that are going on behind the scenes, all the legislation that's been going on and where's the evidence and who has the authority to release it. that's kind of like where I'm at right now. If UFOs and aliens exist, where do they live? I have no idea.

2:39:18I have no idea. I don't think, honestly, I don't, I don't, I don't think anybody knows. Could I be wrong? I could be, but most of the government insiders that I've met with, they're like, oh yeah, the phenomenon's real. We're not alone. They're here. We just don't know much more than that. Like, we could be ants to them, or we could be their experiment or we could be a petri dish or we could be them or we could be they could be travelers from the future I mean there's so many possibilities I just don't know and I would like to know I would I would love to know but there's something going on and that's real and it's under intelligent control and there's a technology behind it and I can assure you that with all the work you've done all the films you've made documentaries all the interviews you've done, you've traveled around the world asking the questions.

2:40:12Yeah. Are UFOs and aliens real? Oh, 100. I put my life on it. No question. It's just, what exactly are they? If you look at the testimony from David Grush, he says non-human intelligence. And the reason why he says that, not because he doesn't believe that we're being visited by extraterrestrials. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he says non-human intelligence because what happens if they live around us? What happens if they live among us? What happens if they live under our oceans? What happens if they're interdimensional? They're around us at all times. There are so many different possibilities.

2:40:50What if it's us from the future? I don't know. Non-human intelligence seems to be the most neutral and safe way to encompass the entire phenomenon in a way that reflects most accurately what's going on. What do you think humans are? I think I asked that a little bit. What do you think we are? I think we're self-absorbed, destructive. destructive perfect way to go James the boy listen for for being here and coming giving me your time I thoroughly enjoyed it I've watched your work I think it's unbelievable I genuinely wish you nothing but the best for the future you're a good guy good heart clean soul I like that I hope you got all the work and get all the answers that you deserve hopefully you keep doing what you're doing and just fucking try to get I don't know what it is you're searching for we're all searching I guess even if you did find the answers would you stop i don't think so but would you like to finish up on anything else james i remember uh there's a australian formula one race car driver and i love what he says sometimes he's he's god why is it that i can't remember his name he he drove for red bull for a long time then he went to renault but he'd say before a race he goes let's go fuck shit up that's all you can do Let's go fuck shit up.

2:42:15Let's go fuck shit up. Sorry, just before we finish up, do you ever look at guys like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and Zuckerberg and see kind of an alien resemblance? These men who are multi-billionaires. How could you not? Do you know what I mean? How could you not? All this wealth. And how have they created that? Have they got special powers that fucking came from different dimensions or whatever? If ever you think of Elon Musk, and he's a controversial character in the United States, He might be a controversial character over here. I have no idea. The guy, he's otherworldly. He's doing vacuum tunnels.

2:42:57He's doing rockets. He's planning trips to Mars. He's building. If you've ever driven a Tesla, whatever you think of electric vehicles, drive a Tesla sometime, it's like a spaceship. It accelerates like a spaceship. It's quiet. It's stealthy. the technology it's revolutionized what the automobile can be i mean it really is it's so different it's the difference between a model t and a you know i mean and i know a lot of people are like ah electric cars and the battery power i get all that but the electric motor is far superior than the internal combustion engine and it's it's like driving a spaceship they're talking about having flying cars for 20 30 yeah i'm sure but elon musk is just doing like how does he do all I could barely make a documentary.

2:43:41This guy's doing, putting like the rockets, I mean, just revolutionizing so many things. So he feels to me otherworldly, yes. Doesn't he? Yeah. A little bit. They've got that look about him. No, what's his name from Facebook? Zuckerberg. He's got a little bit of a spooky look. He's been more alien now than ever. His brain just slipped into neutral. You look at his face and go, where's the character? You're not human, dude. Yeah, it's crazy. But again, you can go down the rabbit hole of, of conspiracies and this and that we just don't know we can only just ask the questions and interviewer i'm not an expert on it by any means i watch a few videos and go ah it's interesting even just having you here is very interesting to get your opinion and get your expertise on it for then people to go i believe in it or people go nah they're full of shit that's down to you james would you like to finish up on anything my brother no that's good i appreciate you you I really do.

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2:46:57James C Fox, one X, C as in Charlie, at James C Fox on Twitter, and you could DM me. What about Instagram? I'm very good about getting back to it. I have somebody else, Alessi and this guy, Julian Dorey, kind of been managing my Instagram lately. They changed the password, and I haven't had access to it, but yes, they will get those messages. Okay. Jamesy boy, listen, I wish you all the best for the future. You're a good guy. and i look forward to see what you do brother thank you so much it was a pleasure