Why Politicians & Police Protected Grooming Gangs – The Dirty Secret Revealed

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0:44And boom, we're on. And today's guest is Raj Amir. How are we? I'm well. I'm chuffed to meet you, brother. I've been waiting. We've been chatting for a while, haven't we? And these things, when they happen, they just happen really quickly. So I'm pleased you made the time for me. You're doing a lot of great work exposing the grooming gangs, which we know now has been a massive cover-up from a warning on Telford, Rochdale, politicians involved. And it's not just a case of when people were speaking out against us for years, you're labelled racist or Islamophobic or whatever it is, but you are a Muslim man yourself and you've had many charges now.

1:24You've been took to court. You've been exposing the right stuff. You're a father as well. Yeah For it from one daughter As I believe One daughter One daughter Yeah So listen Fair play Keep doing the right thing And like I say These conversations Are important To open people's eyes To show what Is happening Not just in the UK But worldwide But today we touch on The cover ups In the UK But first and foremost How are you brother? I'm okay I'm through the worst of it James I think You know And there are Anyone who's been On such a journey It gets dark At some point because you start to doubt yourself you start to question yourself and then you you realize how powerful these people are how deep the corruption runs and and what difference can one person make and it takes you to a dark place James but once once you get through that I think it tests you you know as a as a human being it tests you and and you find out what you're made of and you come out the other end and and these people can't touch us anymore they can't touch me anymore no matter what they say or what they do will make no difference the the truth is out and and what we have in this situation is and and i want to be clear right from the outset they sold our children they sold children for power they sold children for votes and then And they covered it up.

2:48And they accused decent people. In the main working class people. Decent working class people. For being racist and far right. For caring about children being dragged from school gates. Kang raped. Drugged up. And trafficked across the country. And this isn't one case. This is the industrial scale. Abuse of children. This nation's children. And we now know, they know, we forced it into the open. There's no going back for this country. There's no going back for this country. We forced it out into the open. And one of two things will happen, James. They will either silence people like me and people like you, or politicians will go to prison.

3:36That is the only end game here. It isn't just a case of lessons learned. I can't apologize for their past. politicians will either go to prison for their complicity or the likes of me and you will be silenced either by being put in prison or someone will fake a suicide note for me. That's where this is going. Yeah, that's how dark and deep it is. I believe so, yeah. Before we get into everything, I always like to go back to the start with my guests, get more of a bit of understanding about you, where you grew up and how it all began. When I speak to people like you and I see you know I read all of the comments on on people's uh threads and stuff you've got to understand how I predominantly identify myself I identify myself as a working class before you look at my ethnicity or my religion I identify by class because I was raised in a working class community and my loyalty is is to my people is how I you know is the way viewpoint of it so I'm I'm a working class man I grew up in a small mill town on a on an estate filled with people from all sorts of backgrounds and and they defined how I see the world and where my loyalty is where my responsibility is and and working class communities I I believe very clearly see the difference between right and wrong so if there's something wrong you go and do something about it if you you speak out against it and you try and be the difference you can be for for those who are unable to you know the voiceless the powerless they were unable to to be the change they want to see in the world so that that is really what's defined my my entire life and it's took me on a journey and for 20 years or so James over 20 years I I was in many ways a person that the establishment the government went to for advice and support so i sat in rooms with successive prime ministers various home secretaries secretaries of state traveled the world worked across the world on behalf of our nation and i came back i came back home to a small northern town for two reasons one was i'd had a child i'd split up with a mother i'd had a child and i looked at myself in the mirror james like many men i think do and they went what sort of father do you want to be do you want to be an absent father that a child grows up with who knows nothing about where a father is or do you want to take responsibility for for who you are so i decided i'd move closer to my daughter so my daughter from a baby from a small age knew who i was and i was part of her life and she was part of mine and and that's been a blessing james if i'm if i'm honest with the opportunity to do that and i also moved back because my mother had been diagnosed terminally ill with cancer she died two years ago and and it was okay because we took care of it and i wanted to be part you know i wanted to see things through properly and so what you what i found myself was i'm a i'm a bloke with all of these sets of skills and experiences and i come back to a small northern town where people like me are rare and what happened was a friend of mine the wife of a friend of mine contacted me Raj I hear you back can you can you look at this for me and it was a simple ask the chairman of the local mosque she claimed was a convicted sex offender my mosque you know what would be you know in in terms of a mosque that my family funded and helped build yeah and I'm like no that can't be the case let me go and have a look there's there's rules James there's rules in our country about safeguarding and all the rest of it.

7:23Of course she was right. Of course the council knew. Of course the police knew. And of course he was politically protected. I was outraged. For someone who who believed that we take care of children I was outraged and I launched a campaign and I helped remove him. But in removing him I was exposed to a dark and sinister side of the community where I was raised where people came after me and they came after me to inflict violence on me because they were it suited them the power structures of that community suited to have people like him in power we got rid of him and then I thought okay that's it I've done the bit I was asked for I was always a bit of an outsider so it made no difference to me a section of the community being angry with me, airing dirty laundry in public as such.

8:19I was like, well, how else would you get rid of him? You all knew. You all knew that the chairman is a sex offender, but because of his political links, he was deemed untouchable and he could do what he wanted. And a mother came to me. A mother came to me after she'd gone to the council, after she'd gone to the police. It then turned out that the mosque had been secretly funded by the council against something unlawful and illegal in our country can't you know councils aren't meant to do that and in return for the funding the mosque supplied postal votes to the Labour Party so I exposed all of that but I thought okay it's done with I can I can get on with my life and a man kept contacting me he passed last year a man called Warren Bates former miner proper working class guy ex-Labour Party guy came up through the unions he was working in the mines When he was 12 or 13 years old Complete nutcase But lovable You know A lovable nutcase And I didn't know him And he kept my from me My from me And I remember Another friend of mine Who had served with him They both served as counsellors together Said Raja Will you please go and see this guy He's now starting to phone me up Saying how does he get a hold of you And I remember the first day I went to see Warren Bates I dropped off my daughter For her first day in school her first ever day in school this small thing crying not wanting to let go of your hand i dropped her off in school got in the car and drove the half an hour or so it takes me to get to uh one of the outlying sort of areas of oldham called failsworth sat in this lunatic's living room he offered me for breakfast it's like breakfast in half night he said you can have a water or a or or or a beer and i'm looking at him laughing i'd like a coffee please i got a water a glass of water and he pulled out our dossier files and that file dossier files clearly clearly evidences how the politicians in my town including the council leader at the time a man called jim mcmahon who's now a secretary of state is the uh is the government local government minister works on the leaf angela rayner worked conspired with the bbc hey guys have you heard of gold belly it's this amazing site where they ship the most iconic famous foods from restaurants across the country, anywhere nationwide.

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11:32And I couldn't believe it because it clearly demonstrated two things, that the grooming gangs were real and that the establishment, the politicians and the police had worked in partnership. to keep it hidden. Now, in a past life I wrote, I wrote policy and things like that. So I can write, I can take factual information, pull out, extract what is important and tell a story. So I wrote, shared it on Medium, I think. And that got pulled, it got censored almost immediately, but it'd gone out you know it'd gone out and the local community got outraged and a bunch of old women got in touch with me old women you know pensioners and i said no no no this is true i'm not i'm not in the business of lying all of this is true and they wanted to go to the council meeting and confront the politicians so i said fine no problem what the way you do this is you fill in a form you submit a question and then you get 10 seconds or something to ask the question that's how government works in our country they turned up probably about half a dozen elderly women the council timed out they so they couldn't answer the question northern working class women elderly women in particular they don't take no for an answer so they stood up and started asking the question anyway the leader of the council man called sean fielding a protege of jim mcmahon's He was going places when this started.

13:11Stood up and marched, closed the meeting down, I think, two times, three times. Rather than answer a question, closed the meeting down two times, three times. Marched every councillor out, called the police, and it's all documented on video. The police turned up and threatened old women. We'll drag you out. If you don't stop now, we'll drag you out. The town got angry. I am political, I'm a political campaigner, and I thought, okay, how do we deal with this? And we began a political campaign six years ago that led us all the way up to January this year, where most people heard about what took place in this way, where we exposed or we released information of Jess Phillips, the safeguarding minister for girls, on behalf of Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, writing to our council, refusing a public inquiry.

14:12Charlie Peters picked up on it. Elon Musk picked up on it. And that is what has caused the global outrage. It actually started six years ago with a man called Warren Bates, who's now passed, people like Debbie Barrett Cole who who's still alive and an elderly disabled woman and they had the courage and conviction to confront the politicians I did what I did which was you know you know navigate all of this campaign strategize we removed politician after politician in our town when we started the Labour Party had 47 of the 60 seats they blocked every inquiry by the time we finished last May. They were a minority administration with 27 of 60.

14:59This might sound boring, but it's important because it took us five years to get us to a point where we could force the council to write to the government to say, there are children in Oldham that have been groomed and gang raped. It's been covered up and we want the government to do something about it because the politicians and the policymakers in this town are complicit in the cover-up. The government refused. all hell has broken loose and now you all know about it but during those five or six years to stop me campaigning to stop me using a set of skills that had developed by working and advising our government they had me repeatedly arrested uh false charges one after another smeared in the in the local media, in the national media.

15:53The police came after me. Don raided my house repeatedly. The Labour Party, the Labour Party, tried to sue me and said, you will sign this form and stop talking. Otherwise, we'll take everything off you. We'll see. And I said, OK, I'll see you in the high court. I was followed home repeatedly by Pakistani gangsters who are embedded in the Labour Party administration. not just in my town but across towns and cities now unfortunately the mosques Islamic centers issued fatwas against me they claimed there was a gay christian convert not because I have an issue with anyone who's gay or anyone who's christian but they claimed that and promoted that I was a police informant they published my home address my photograph pictures of my friends and family all attempting to incite my murder and stop this campaign but I look at myself every day in the mirror James and I'm knackered I'm older I'm knackered but I can I can look at myself in the mirror and I'm all right with what looks back because this was the right thing to do they they covered up the gang rape of our children and then they tried to well they tried to kill me so why the the cover up inside the most like I I don't care who you are, what religion you are, what skin colour you are.

17:17Like, why cover up people who are paedophiles? For me, if you're covering that up, you're just as bad. So why support? Why protect? I wouldn't say support, but why protect people? Why not just expose it of every religion, every colour? If someone in your own kind of house is abusing kids, you know? So why cover it up? Is it through fear? Is it because they're involved? Like, what do you think it is? So the cover-up took place on a number of levels. First of all, obviously, the cover-up took place from within the community. Because the community didn't speak out. Are you telling me the community wasn't aware that hundreds, if not thousands, of men from around them were going and gang-raping children?

18:06Combination of cultural fear. You know, the practices of... One is fear. Some of these men were extremely powerful They were networked They were criminals, they were gangsters

18:22You've seen some of the Or some of your people will have read Some of the court transcripts that have come out As to what type of men these people are They burnt people They battered them over their heads with baseball bats They threatened to kill family members These are nasty people So I think the fear of who these people are and what they do is one element from within the community Another one is the airing of dirty laundry in the communities where I come from It's not spoken about They rape their own children and that's covered up The notion of shame is very real in the place I come from In the communities I come from So there's that factor as well So in the communities themselves These men were powerful, they were criminal And also the cultural notions of shame Played a feature Sadly also, James It also played a feature That these girls were not our girls They were white girls They were other people's children, so who cares If these men are gang raping These other girls It's not our business That's my Analysis of it, my reflection of it having asked myself the same question why did people around me not speak out why didn't I speak out I didn't know about it I'll be as honest I'll be honest with you one I didn't know about it the first time I ever came across one of the stories was the Rochdale grooming gang and that became famous uh a guy called Shabir Ahmed and the betrayed girls the three girls you know the BBC documentary that's that's that story Maggie Oliver joined in on that and uh and what you've got there is a guy called Shabir Ahmed and I mention his name specifically because it gives you the next layer of understanding these men were also powerful they were politically powerful Shabir Ahmed was a senior Labour Party figure in the town he was a fixer he supplied the Labour Party with votes postal votes he was a Labour Party member supplied the Labour Party with votes and he worked for the council he was embedded in the very institutions who were meant to be safeguarding these children so let me quantify this for you in a way where you appreciate it if shabir ahmed comes to your house and with him is the mp with him is the senior police officer Are you going to speak out?

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21:58Because what he's demonstrating is power. This guy's with me, that guy's with me. They might not even know who he is or what he's done, but the institutions relied on these kingpins like Ahmed to deliver for them. And in return, they used that power to intimidate any dissent, any potential dissent in the very communities they came from. secondly what then happened after you look at within the community and these people themselves is the Labour Party and I say the Labour Party on purpose because this is a predominantly a Labour Party issue in terms of how the cover-ups were facilitated at a local level these politicians knew the evidence clearly shows they knew but they chose they made a political choice they use the term community relations maintaining community relations it's not a term i use it's not a term you'd use i'm disgusted personally by the term maintaining community relations but once you demystify that what that term actually means is working glass girls can be gang raped by these men and trafficked by these men and we will look the other way because it keeps things as they are and keeping things as they are is the vote bank that they've had forever continues as is working class white girls was a price worth paying to the politicians that run towns like mine and when a public inquiry comes and it will come what you'll find out you read a list of towns at the beginning like Telford, Rochdale the evidence now is this is industrial scale across the entire country and there is a correlation and that correlation whether we like it or not is predominantly Pakistani occasionally Bangladeshi almost exclusively Muslim and when you break it down the Pakistani element it's a men in from a particular region of Pakistan called Mirpur we had the shadow home secretary finally echo our words last week where he made specific reference to mirpur so it's a it's a specific area of pakistan where these men have come from where they've brought with them a cultural tradition of gang rape they gang raped during the partition in 1947 in terms of that that that space they gang raped conservative estimates are 400 000 the official the figures that i work off is closer to a million Bangladeshi women in 1971 during the war of independence over a nine-month period documented documented by the united nations so this isn't me saying this to you where they established rape camps the last time you'd heard of rape camps in this way was the second world war when the japanese established rape camps so these guys established rape camps pakistani policy government policy was rape genocide no one wants to talk about it because it's uncomfortable but we need to talk about it because this is culturally ingrained and religiously justified amongst a distinct group of people who gang raped people during the 1947 independence partition 1971 and these people came to this country do you think they left that culture behind no they picked up first and foremost on the Sikh girls and the Hindu girls that's why you have people at the Sikh Awareness Society doing the work they do and they picked up on working class white girls they quickly identified as a specific demographic within the working class white girls community in particularly around children in care that no one cares about and they picked up on that initially and the figures are i think liz truss the former prime minister has also confirmed the conservative estimates are 100 000 children now you you sat opposite me i'm a former government advisor i'm not some nutcase i'm laying out the evidence and i'm laying out what happened to me once i questioned you know once i brought to public attention the evidence presented it in a manner where people could understand it where then people thought hold on this guy isn't talking about it from a racist perspective of a far-right perspective he's talking about it from a perspective of child protection.

26:34And also, yes, I am brown-faced, I am Muslim, but that hasn't stopped these people calling me racist and far-right. The MP for my town has stood up in Parliament and named me as a racist and far-right. I have been arrested repeatedly as a racist. So say our young girls, some as young as 10, have been gang-raped, groomed, gang-raped... And trafficked. And trafficked, and all swept under the carpet, and you believe it's because of votes. Yes. But how popular is their voting? How many Muslims, is it 6%, 7 % Muslims in the UK? How popular can their voting become? Like, how does it operate? I don't really understand that, if I'm honest.

27:17So there's something... So when Tony Blair was in, when he became Prime Minister, towards the end of his first term, he changed postal voting. Where before postal voting was by You had to There was a reason you needed it Like you're a soldier serving overseas Or you were too ill You had to apply And you had to qualify for postal voting For some reason For some reason They changed it to postal voting Anyone can get a postal vote What that then meant Was in the communities I come from The postal vote harvesting can take place And again it's proven and the electoral commission have confirmed it because they then changed the rules to try and tighten it up but of course it doesn't work because postal vote harvesting essentially means that i go around and collect thousands of postal votes from the communities where i have power and in exchange for delivering those thousands of postal votes i am allowed you know i there's certain benefits i enjoy i get out of jail card essentially is what i'm saying to you and what has happened is at a local level this was prevalent at a councillor level and then of course we as in we the the system saw a rise of a disproportionate rise of predominantly pakistani and bangladeshi councillors in certain areas working class white communities had over a period of time become politically disengaged so even though the numbers were small the voting numbers were high so it skews it yeah it doesn't matter if 70 percent of a of a constituency is white and working class if only 10 percent of that vote if 30 percent of the muslim you know of that community is muslim but all of them vote to see straight away how much power that voting bloc has so it's the it's postal vote harvesting is what took place complete proven and the harvesting was done by the same criminal networks that ran the harrowing trade and now has been exposed of also running the the child you know the trafficking child trafficking trade is one and the same i call i describe them as clans because they operate on a clan-based structure so it's the families you know one will be one will be embedded in the mosque one will be embedded in the council as a councillor one will be embedded as a businessman one will be embedded you know in as an outright gangster heroin dealer and they'll operate on a clan-based system not not too dissimilar to the mafia or 1930s Chicago you know if you want to try and understand it as a as a comparative as to how powerful they are there was in the most recent general election there was a muslim vote web page created around the gaza campaign yeah and they worked out themselves that they hold the sway in a hundred just under a hundred constituencies we only have just over 600 so if the muslim bloc vote have hold the sway in what 15 to 20 percent of our parliamentary seats do you see where this is going where it started and it's growing and you want to look at demographics you'll see that the that that community is growing at a rate far more than the established white communities in those areas and i'm not saying this to scare you and i'm just simply laying out the the evidence as to how powerful these people are and the Labour Party for a long time have tapped into this and again this is evidence now because there's a former MP from Rochdale called Simon Danchuk who was the Rochdale MP who's now come out on record after all this has come out yeah in January after it all came out he's come out on record you'll find it in the Telegraph he's done interviews on Sky with a former MP for Rochdale, confirms that he was warned off talking about the grooming gangs because it would cost the Labour Party votes.

31:33And he was warned off by a man called Tony Lloyd, who's now dead. He was most recently the MP for Rochdale, but before that he was the police and crime commissioner for Greater Manchester. So when the police and crime commissioner tells an MP not to say anything. This is a cover-up. At Sierra, you'll always find apparel, footwear, and gear for 20-60 % less than department and specialty store prices. But right now, it's clearance time, so you can save even more on everything you need to get active and outside. Visit your local Sierra store today. This episode is brought to you by Greenlight. Get this.

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32:49My estimation, in the grooming and gang rape of children in this way from this community, at least 30 years, 40 years. And it's all me getting covered up all because of votes. Two reasons. First and foremost, earlier on, the cover up was the fear of being branded racist. so the the frontline staff who wanted to say something or didn't say something were too scared you know in the 90s and stuff you can see the the political correctness culture was far stronger than it is now now we question it now but back then you wouldn't question it in that in that way the training was well that way so the the VAT took that was part of the facilitation of the reason for the cover-up for for a period also throughout the entire period one of the reasons for for the for the cover-up is because of the contempt held by the middle-class white community that held many professionals that held many of these uh key roles in in councils and in the police towards working-class white girls which is why the term lifestyle choice was was used you know when 12 year old girls were getting gang raped or the girls themselves were being arrested you know there's many a story of the police turning up finding a 12 year old girl drunk uh with no clothes on seven men eight men in the room with when they arrested the girl it's the it's the cultural contempt towards white working class communities one reason to the fear of being branded racist and then as it progressed and progressed and progressed as as as our politicians in not just this country but across the world work quickly figure out what does currency what does benefit it to be had they make choices they make political choices and i think

34:36my reflection on on this james is very much that they lose if they ever had a moral compass they lose that moral compass in the pursuit of power or in the protection of power which is why it led to a place where we now are where these people falsified evidence and attempted to have me imprisoned why do they only target young white girls why is it not muslim what's the method behind it is it is it more sinister like there's two things one is there they did target the muslim girls but culturally in those communities those within their own families and next it was covered up 100 covered up i'll share a story i don't think i shared it with anyone else so one of the one of the girls that kept one of the cases that i first came across when i started looking at this was a Muslim girl that was groomed and gang raped by a network of taxi drivers.

35:29And it was covered up within the community. It was covered up within the community because as soon as the girls started speaking out and her family threatened to go to the police, the local elders got involved to try and hush it up because it was their nephews who were involved in the gang rape of this child. and they created this parallel legal sort of process we call it BISAR B-I-S-A-R BISAR or B-I-S-A-R BISAR which means like some sort of community judgment so they met the elders met and they interviewed the men because first of all they wanted to confirm it was true by this point the girl was pregnant she was 13 or 14 she was pregnant and this is the only case I've come across that actually made it into that into anywhere near a public space everything else is covered up well before that the girl disappears she goes and gets married to someone you know that's what takes place because of that notion of shame we have very much in those communities but she they each testified and it collapsed the defense collapsed when one of them under pressure said words to the effect of the child can't be mine when I took my turn I wore a condom this is you know this is the community itself and do you know what the judgment was it wasn't go to the police because this man had no power to go to the police because if the father went to the police his entire family would be ostracized from the community and his daughter would be branded as some sort of slut because the blame would be on the child they arranged for her to get married to someone even though she'd been raped and she was you know this child was being she was pregnant and they paid the father off by buying him a car it's crazy yeah but this is the cultural notion of what took place a man called shabir ahmed again i go back to shabir ahmed the ringleader of the rochdale grooming gang they called him daddy the only reason he got caught so we are clear the only reason he got caught was because his daughters were the one who ones who kept going back to the police he didn't get caught because he was gang raping and trafficking white girls he got caught because his daughters kept going back to the police and particularly his older daughter was concerned of how after she'd been abused how her younger sister would be abused so the police threw up nine times they let him go whilst children were going and begging them for intervention because one had been raped repeatedly by a father, the younger one, and these children now.

38:08So you understand how powerful these people are. These two children, the police have removed from the community. They're in protective custody with new identities and all of that. So that is what they're trying to keep a lid on. But why protect? Surely as a police officer, if you go to a house and a young kid is screaming and crying about being abused by your father, surely they would take a more duty of care. do they go to the senior officers and ask them and they say listen don't report to it I don't understand how the police can let it fly under the radar because these are politically protected individuals because of the status they enjoy in the community and the votes they supply to the politicians that's what it keeps going back to there's a guy who came after me notorious local gangster by the name of Irish came after me the leader of Oldham Council A woman called Arud Shah now She also is the chair of the Constitutional Committee The National Constitutional Committee of the Labour Party She had a picture took with Rachel Reeves The Chancellor of the Exchequer last week So this is a powerful individual Yeah, leader of the council She campaigns with this guy called Irish Jimmy Hangs off his arm There's some relationship there She describes him as her childhood friend This man is a convicted heroin dealer And is the getaway driver of the cop killer Dale Cregan these relationships are in the open james and as to the links between the gangsters and and the politicians in the towns i come from when she won her first council seat she celebrated with a red red labor party rosette with a man called zia hussein zia hussein was convicted convicted for kidnap and torture this is how the politics in the places where i come from operate the gangsters have infiltrated these political parties and the Labour Party who first thought they could control this are now blackmailed by them and they're in bed with them it's too you know it's too interwoven so that's what took place and when the police go and say to the senior officers we need to charge these people for crimes someone higher up has a conversation with someone else higher up and it disappears and time after time after time the same has happened it's still happening now there's case after case that i know of where it's disappeared disappeared just like that there's a notorious individual in my town a community source of mine leaked me information i know he's been arrested and is put on remand for rape and human trafficking the police won't issue a statement as to who he is because of his connections and the local newspapers don't ask any questions that's how corrupt this is and i know you struggle to understand it because i i kept asking myself how and the only conclusion i can get to is every every safeguarding process every system that we're meant to have to protect out of democracy has failed in this case and the cover-up and the cover-up and the cover-up has got bigger and bigger and bigger and now you've got the justice secretary so we're clear the justice secretary uh pakistani woman shibana mahmud birmingham mp she only i think a couple of weeks ago has come out with it in an interview where she made reference to there's a reckoning coming there's a reckoning coming that's the justice secretary of this country a labor party minister sits two seats away from Keir Starmer, the prime minister.

41:57They are desperate, desperate to keep a lid on this and hope it'll go away. And they're desperate to try and contain this in such a way where you still believe it's a far-right narrative, or you believe that we focus on on one element without focusing on all of the elements. And that's probably what I try and bring is say, okay, we need to look at the perpetrators and the motives, racially motivated, religiously justified. We need to look at how our multicultural society has failed because we've ignored these crimes because it happened to a demographic of white working class girls. And we thought there is a price worth paying for this fictitious.

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44:11All the emails had been leaked. He celebrated keeping this out of the news. He kept it out of the news with a man called Kevin Fitzpatrick from the BBC, North West political correspondent, who agreed to hide it because of his relationship with Mac Marnie and he didn't want this friendship to suffer. It then later transpires that Kevin Fitzpatrick's father, a man called Joe Fitzpatrick, was a senior Labour Party politician himself. Karl Marsden's wife, a woman called Dawn Marsden, who worked at the Oldham Chronicle at the time, who were partners of covering this up, she now works for Angela Rayner, the Deputy Prime Minister.

44:56This, if he drew strings and put photographs up, you'd see the web and the cover-up. Andy Burnham, King of the North, Greater Manchester Mayor, neck deep in the cover-up. He commissioned what he calls an assurance review to investigate what took place, tried to front it up. We exposed his assurance review as a cover-up. His two experts, so-called experts, have run away and quit on him. And he's now backtracked and said his assurance review is limited. At the time, he was saying there's nothing to see here. We've done our job. this is just an industrial scale cover-up of the type this country has never seen before you talk about religiously justified what does that mean justifying the grooming and raping of young kids three reasons first and foremost the the clerics who religiously justify this yeah again come from that pakistani that narrow pakistani space that justified the gang raping of the Hindus and then the gang-raking of Bangladesh is inferior.

46:02So the idea that if you're not Muslim or less than Muslim, if you're an infidel if you're a kuffar, yeah, is the phrase that these men use, dirty kuffar then you can do whatever you want to right, first and foremost. Secondly Where does it say this? This is what they say. I'm not saying where does it say this. This is what Is it in Quran or anything? No, not in the way that they present it, right? But again, there are challenges within the Muslim faith. People say to me, well Raj, you're in Muslim how can you stand by this I can't stand by any of this you know and I'm not going to justify any of this but they talk about uh the taking of sex slaves during conflict and justify that you know the Arabs justified it you know at the time I can't justify that mate I don't need you kind of go and find me someone who can justify that I'm not going to justify this I'm not going to say you can take sex slaves you know when you're when you're when you're at war you can go and rape others and then you've you've got and it is the challenge here these men aren't pedophiles you need to get that past you you know people need to understand these aren't pedophiles in the way that white pedophile gangs operate because these men do not see these children as children from the places where they come from a nine-year-old a 10-year-old 11-year-old is fair game because and they don't care because it's in iraq i think a couple of months ago they changed the law where a nine-year-old can now be married and this is where I say this again James and I get I can't stick for it from people in the communities I come from but the truth is the truth and my experiences are shaped by my world in my position is shaped by my experiences and what I've seen all cultures are not the same these cultures are alien to us the the belief that you can marry a nine-year-old show me that find me anyone who'll agree with that so you're you're struggling with these people straight away find me anywhere where it says you can you can take a sex slave find me anywhere where you believe that because you consider someone to be of a different faith to you they are inferior to you and therefore you can act and behave in a manner where you treat them as subhuman because those beliefs are not the beliefs of the society that I was born and raised in and they shouldn't be and we don't tolerate that if these were views I spent a chunk of my life as anti-racist trained as a trained anti-racist and we would go into communities and say just because someone is different to you you can't have prejudices against them and it was predominantly white working-class communities as we educate to say actually no we've got to find that humanity and a commonality and we've got to find a way of living together and these are some of the prejudices you have towards some groups we won't this country the establishment won't go into the pakistani communities won't go into the muslim communities and challenge any of the prejudices and beliefs that are counter to our our norms, they won't do it.

49:11And it's wrong. I think, listen, there's a lot of racism against the working class white man. Yes, agreed. We can't say anything without being homophobic, transphobic, whatever sort of phobic. It's only a discussion. I've exposed people of every colour, every religion, you know, and it's not a case of targeting people. It's just to understand what's going on to try and protect our sons and our daughters for a better future. but the way things are going, things just seem to be getting darker and weirder and more cover-ups. Thankfully now with social media, people have got a voice and people can promote their side, which is important to look at all aspects and it's not just to target certain people.

49:52But with you saying it's fair game for people, so it's not a case of you don't believe... For me, they're paedophiles, but the way they've seen it is young white girls as fair game if they're 9, 10, 11. and do you believe that's why because a small percentage of the UK are Muslim I think 7 % but I think over 90 % of people in the grooming gangs are Pakistani Muslim so do you believe that's because of their the way they see the world and the way they think it should be and no one's challenged them they've done this in the formation of Pakistan in 1947 they did this it's rape genocide is real elon musk made reference to rape genocide uh in when describing jess phillips and she made she was on the news crying and you know how much stress she was under but these people believe in rape genocide these people believe in in in using rape as a method of war to eliminate another group of people they've they've done it against the hindus they've done it against the Sikhs, they've done it against the Bangladeshis, and I'm sorry, mate, the white working class to them is just another, you know, demographic in their journey of the barbarity.

51:14And you won't challenge it. You've now got government ministers. Take Tahir Ali, for instance, is an MP, somewhere in Birmingham. Most recently, he was famous because he stood on a platform, campaigning for an airport to be built in Mirpur in Pakistan. In that meeting, another MP, one of the Gaza MPs, I call them Pakistani sectarians, Islamists, one of the MPs who got elected. You know, you've now got four MPs who are elected on a clearly sectarian platform with a voter base of exclusively Pakistanis, almost exclusively Pakistanis, stood up and makes reference to the grooming gangs as a far-right conspiracy, so-called grooming gangs.

51:59He has a mandate to do that because our Prime Minister in January when this news broke, stood up in front of a national audience and made reference to the likes of the campaign I'm involved in as a far-right bandwagon. Mate, you're fair game. And your demographic has been fair game because you're treated in contempt by a metropolitan elite who are prejudiced against the white working class. Obviously, Pakistani Muslim, why is it to do with the... where they're from? Is it to do with the religion? It's a combination. Why, obviously, when we say Pakistani Muslim, what's that got to do with anything?

52:45Because if you're a paedophile, you're a paedophile in my eyes. But we've got this now, where I see it, Pakistani Muslims, or it's classed as that, if the white man's abusing kids, which is the majority of rapes and that stuff is from the white man in the UK. In a majority white country, the majority of perpetrators are going to be white, aren't they? Across whatever crime. Yeah, across whatever crime. But what makes the rape gangs distinct, there's a number of things. One is the cover-up. Living with schizophrenia isn't easy, especially when you're not getting relief from some of your symptoms.

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55:25You've got Yvette Cooper involved, the Home Secretary, trying to push this, you know, kick it into the long grass and say we don't need a national inquiry. I go to this place. If you want to argue with me that there isn't an issue in the Pakistani community, if you want to argue with me that there isn't a way in which Islam has been skewed or presented in a way that's justified these horrific crimes if you want to argue against another then let's look at it surely we need to look at it it's what we do in any other setting we would gather the evidence is there a correlation and if there is a correlation we start to you know investigate why that correlation exists hold those accountable who responsible accountable and then put in place safeguarding measures to make sure it doesn't happen again.

56:14That's how we are meant to behave in the systems and norms that we ordinarily would operate with. And here we've got the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister and every Labour Party minister, government minister, refusing to follow that process. But I think it was only maybe 3 % were Muslim in the UK, maybe 2010, 2011. living the number has now doubled just over 10 years how far do you think it can go then if a majority of this abuse is coming from Pakistani Muslims but the numbers are continuously rising surely there's going to be more cover-ups there's going to be more abuse there's going to be more bad stuff happening is it something that can be fixed because the wheels are now in motion or can things really change if people speak out against it because now there just seems so much unrest, there seems so much cover-up, there seems so much, yeah, it just doesn't seem, it's not sitting right with people in the UK now.

57:10What do you think needs to change? And can it change? People need to be arrested. People need to be put in prison. People, these crimes need to be acknowledged for what they are. It's only now, James, and it's took me six years, it's took me six years to help get it this far, only now do we see in Parliament MPs standing up and saying, predominantly Pakistani. If we and I had this conversation 10 years ago, both you and I would be arrested and convicted as racists. So things are changing. But we've got to get this over the line. And the only way we'll get this over the line is with a public inquiry, a national inquiry, which will then see the perpetrators confirmed.