Alicia Silverstone

22:49There was a hundred movies with like teenage girls in love with older dudes that I watched. That men wrote. Yeah, that men wrote. Even the desire of someone that young is you have some insecurities, clearly. I'm sorry. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it. You are very insecure as a 28-year-old dude if what you think you will be matched with as a 14-year-old. Unless, I mean, I don't know. Maybe they've experienced it. I don't know all these people. So maybe one or two of them. I don't want to just say across the board they're all bad. The writer of this claims that this happened. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

23:18Maybe it did. The crush. The writer claims that this is a story out of his real life. Look, there's all kinds of people. Okay. Anyways, that movie was a big, big deal for you. It was. You were immediately newcomer MTV Movie Awards. MTV Movie Awards. Oh, wow. Best villain. I was very proud of that. That's a problem to me. That the 14-year-old, she was very badly behaved. She really stalks him. Oh, really? But he shouldn't have kissed her. She's a kid, though. She's a kid. There are so many problems. Yeah. She's not the villain. But she is. She's really badly behaved. She almost kills someone. She does need to go to a mental hospital.

23:58Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sure, it's all problematic, probably. No, she's just sick. She's mentally ill. I mean, she's trying to seduce him. She's taking off clothes. He's not pursuing her. Right. But. But he does accidentally for one second kiss her back, which was a big mistake. Big mistake. Cannot do it. Cannot do it. Because then she thought they were getting married. Yes. She had already demonstrated that she had a little tenuous grasp on reality yet. He kissed her back. She was bad. She hurt her friend. She like made her friend fall off of his horse. She's no good. She's definitely not normal.

24:31She's not good. She had some issues. She has a mental issue. She has some issues. I will be watching this tonight. This sounds great. It's a good one. Yeah. I really remember, of course, the Aerosmith video. Were those cast out of LA? Well, Marty Kallner, the director, who remained my dear friend, all the way up until he just passed. I love that man so much. Talk about mixing up things. You know, he was a 45 year old man hanging out with a 15 year old girl. Maybe I was 16. We would drive everywhere together. We hung out all the time. Like I'm sure it looked fricking weird. He was just totally clean.

25:06He thought I was his daughter and he wanted to protect me. I didn't know any of that. I just thought he was my friend. But as I got older, I started to realize, oh, he's been a solid, healthy figure in my life. Anyway, he's adorable. So he had seen The Crush with, I think, John Kladner, who was a big guy at Geffen Records and said, will you be in this video? And I didn't know who Aerosmith was at the time because I was 16 years old. My kid doesn't know who Madonna or Elvis is. This string of videos you do is actually kind of the rebirth of Aerosmith. So people don't know Aerosmith was enormous in the 70s.

25:38They went away. Run DMC brought them back for a minute with Walk This Way. Marty directed that. Then they were kind of out of it. But that kind of recharged. And then now this crop of music is when they come back on the scene hard. Liv was in one of those three videos. She was in the third one. Yep. So I did Cryin' with Stephen Dorff. I bungee jump off of the bridge and flip him off. Oh, wow. That was the one that won Best Video of All Time. Oh, my God. Used to be crystal clear. Yes. And it deserved to. What a great accolade. It beat Thriller. Best Video of All Time. Isn't that crazy? Wow. I've got beef with that just because Thriller exists.

26:10You can totally have beef with that. It doesn't make sense. But it's a great fucking video. I don't know how they'd pick. I'm going to call for a vote. You should do a revo. I'm going to get a quorum. But I will say that you can totally do that. I think that what made it different was for the first time, a woman was in a video in control and powerful and not like just taking her clothes off. Yeah, yeah. On the hood of a car. All the videos were like that. Every video was a girl, totally naked. Did you and Liv have a little something? Did you guys? We did some stuff. Did you guys kiss maybe in that video?

26:38Did I just infer that maybe? When Marty and I talked about doing this third video and Liv wanted to be in it, he was talking about doing a strip thing. And I said, I'll be the guy. I don't want to strip. I had the idea that I'll just be a dude watching her. And that that will be hot in itself. So that's how that part got born. But yes, the whole video is us like romping around and pretending that we're making out. Very exciting. Very exciting stuff. This is what a rock star dad. This is the difference. My dad would not be cool with me being young in his video. Being sexual. But that's like growing up with a rock star dad.

27:21She had just recently found out that was her dad. It was pretty recent. Oh, I didn't know that. She was raised by another great musician, Todd Rundgren, who her mom was married to growing up. This is all public knowledge. And then I'm now nervous I'd be wading into stuff I know. But all I know is I think she found out kind of later. Oh, wow. That her dad was Steven Tyler. They went to a show and they started talking back. And she was like, you look just like me. They're twins. And their vibe is their vibe. That's weird. She met him and didn't know. Pretty sure that's the story. I'll fact check it with her.

27:54Wow. I think they had a kismet meeting and then the mom told her. I think. Interesting. Well, I mean, they literally have the same everything. Yes. Same exact sense of humor. I don't know them that well, but I mean like the face, like the mouth. Oh, yeah, the lips. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love in the video when he's doing his like, you know, and then his kick of the leg. She mimics that. And it's perfect. Just like back and forth. So I did a movie with her and that's when we became friends. And then somehow she said to me, she was at her dad's and she said, I'm doing this movie with this guy who's this guy.

28:26And he's like, he was in Without a Paddle. That's my favorite movie. And gave me his stationery that is a silhouette of him doing that. Oh, no way. Yeah, and he wrote like, without a paddle, greatest movie of all time on this cool stationery. And I framed it. It was one of the many things Kristen was like, Jesus Christ, when she came into the house, it's like, there's so many pictures of yourself around. That's a cute one to have, though. That was one of the things that was up. That mouth is incredible. Oh, it is. Like every time I see a clip, somebody just showed me a clip of it. 115 teeth. You can see the molars when he smiles.

28:58It's incredible. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

29:13Okay, so I think you're 18 when you shoot Clueless. I turn 18 on set. Now, again, I know this is common knowledge, but it wasn't to me. What's interesting about Clueless, of course, I saw it. I loved it. It's the first movie I remember being so obsessed with, have to watch over and over again. All our friends watched it and were being the characters. It was the first like real zeitgeisty movie I was a part of. Yeah. Were your friends assigning like you're so-and-so? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. You're Dion. Who are you? Were you Cher? No, they wouldn't let me be Cher because I wasn't white. Again, this is the times.

29:48Yeah. Maybe now I could be Cher. You kind of are Cher. Kim Kardashian was just Cher. Exactly. I was probably put in the Dion, who I love. Great character. Yeah, it's a great character. You can't really go wrong. No. But yeah, it was the first movie that, while I was alive, hit the zeitgeist. Would you put me in the Paul Rudd one or the best friend? Wait, the Paul Rudd character or the gay guy? Yeah. That's not a tough choice. I don't know if we say that now. Christian, Christian. Christian. You're neither. You might be more of the other guy who ends up being a douchebag, but that's not. But that's okay.

30:25Oh, Jeremy Sisto's part. Yes. We're going to give you that part. Okay. Physically, I get it. I don't know you well enough, but I think just on first sniff, that's his one. Well, there was definitely a period of my life and perhaps that period of my life where I would have been. Paul, I forget that it's him. So wild. Okay. Now, what's totally known, which I don't know that I did, is you couldn't be more opposite than her. Which, again, when you meet somebody in a movie, you just kind of assume that's who they are. I dealt with a different thing, which was I played mostly just dumbasses for like the first seven years.

30:58Wait a second. I love your show. I just remembered. Parenthood? No, I don't know that one. The one with Blake Bell. Oh, Bless His Mask. Yes, yes. He just completely forgot until just now. Oh, that's the last. You're only the third person I've ever met that saw that. Oh, I loved it. Oh, wonderful. I love Ed Begley in it. I love all the actors in it. It's so good. Monica was on it. I was. Oh, good job. The fair scene. Yeah, I played like an egg salesman or something. A competing egg salesman. Such a good show. Okay, sorry. So you're saying that you got put in a category from what? Oh, just I played a dumbass.

31:32I was an idiocracy. I played dumb a bunch or white trash. And I think people, when they would meet me, they're like, oh, you're not dumb. That would be kind of the first thing they would say. You're taller than I thought and you're not dumb. Yeah. Because it was also on Punk'd pranking all these people. There's definitely, I do think for a lot of people like, oh, you are not what I expected. Right. So you have that so much. I wrote down a thing you said, which I thought was fascinating. Most of the time, I didn't even know what Cher was talking about. Most of the dialogue was a different language.

32:02Amy knew all the street words and had her finger on the pulse of the latest underground everything. I was the exact opposite and knew nothing. You were not stylish at all. You weren't hip like that. No, I didn't go to Hollywood parties. I was really just into the earth and animals and food and permaculture, a theater nerd. Anti-materialism. Yes. Yes. How interesting. I mean, it's one of the biggest gaps I think I've observed in a popular character and then the actor playing it. You experience it? Like it makes sense to you seeing me? Does it make sense seeing you? You're very authentically yourself right away.

32:37And it's not Cher. There you go. That can't be said for a lot of roles. She was so iconic. Let me back up. This is how I want to frame this. We've had a few different male actors. I'm going to use Chris Pine as an example where he had cystic acne growing up. He became like an overnight sex symbol and trying to make peace with that and embrace this thing that is working publicly. but you feel so completely removed from, again, that gap between what people see and think versus what you know you are. And then this sense of fraudulence or imposter syndrome, all these different weird things that arise from that.

33:15I'm wondering if that chasm between this character you got so known for and who you were felt like it was going to be problematic for the rest of the world to deal with. I can't be responsible for what the rest of the world dealt with. But I do know that at that time, I felt like I was a serious actress and I knew what it took to be an actor. I knew the work that was required. Like some people are really beautiful and they act and they're like, OK, but they're beautiful. Maybe because I was in a house with people like Eric and Brandon who made it clear to me, like, you know, they were big brothers.

33:50They said mean things that made me go, oh, I'll show you. Maybe not Eric, but I didn't come into this going like, oh, I want to be in movies. Right. Yeah. Or just sexism. Yeah. I didn't even like, what? Yeah. Like I was just a baby. And it sounds like most of the crushes you had had at that point were with guys that were either unavailable or, right? Have you experienced a ton of attention that way prior to it? Male attention. I mean, you're obviously beautiful, so I'm sure people looked at you. Yeah, it wasn't like that. I mean, I will say that the high school boys who we were talking about, that Marshall group.

34:22Yes. They did come over to me when I was in freshman year and asked me, do you want to come to a party of ours? And I was like, I'm getting asked to a party by the seniors. And then I thought, oh, my God, that was so fun. I was very dorky and nerdy and didn't have a sense of fashion. I definitely wasn't walking around like Cheris. We can clearly say that. She's so much a product of her environment. And what I was able to latch onto, because I remember thinking that she's shallow, materialistic, things I didn't like. But what I remember loving about her was her wanting to take care of her daddy.

34:58She felt like she was doing charity with Ty. She was so giving. And in her small little world of money and popularity and everything going her way, she really was very charitable. Right. Right? Like she was trying to spread the wealth. She was trying to give back a little. It's so ridiculous. It's so funny. I remember thinking, I'm not funny. And I remember at the time, my agent, who then became my manager after, but at the time she was my agent, Carolyn. And then my husband. And then my husband. Carolyn Kessler, basically. She said, what I think is funniest about you is when you get very serious.

35:33I'm like, well, that's kind of insulting and also amazing at the same time. Yeah, yeah. But how I translated that information, because at that point, everything I did was sort of dark. I was in Jeff Goldblum's Hideaway with Jeremy Sesto again. I had been in a movie in France with Le Nouveau Monde with James Gandolfini. Oh, wow. I had been doing these dramas. There was not one comedy in the eight movies that came before Clueless. And like I said, I considered myself a very serious actress. Yeah, yeah. So I obviously can laugh about that now. But I do think when they were saying Aerosmith Chick, I was like, oh, Aerosmith Chick?

36:08How dare you? Do you know what it took? Like, it's just ridiculous. You know, you're a kid. Yeah, you take yourself extremely serious. And so I didn't have any bad behavior around that, hopefully, maybe. But I just thought in my head, here I am doing, I've already forgot what we're talking about again. What is wrong with me? Clueless. We know what's going on with you. We just had an expert on. Oh, is it menopause? Perry, maybe Perry. We're virtually the same age. I blame it on my schedule. That's probably more that. Yeah, my recall for names, I'm like, oh, it's all really happening. You're having perimenopause.

36:39I am. I'm having one over the mail. He has sympathy perimenopause. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Because everyone in my life claims they have perimenopause. But this also happens after you have a baby. Your brain goes out the window after baby and then the whole thing. Anyway, where were we? Share. What I was talking about was... Oh, not the after. Yeah, yeah. Although, obviously, the crush was big and got attention. This was something so humongous in, as we now know, permanently in the culture. and right away, like I watched your first interview on the Today Show, which one of the times you were on recently, they showed it and you were 18.

37:09Yeah. And you're just quite honestly, in so many words, like, yeah, this is uncomfortable for me. I don't really know how to do this. You were expressing discomfort right out of the gates. And what I was curious about. That's so sweet. It is. I liked how honest it was, but I was curious, was it a discomfort with fame or was it this tension between, I just played this thing everyone loves and America's talking about. And now I'm going to be somebody that is completely different from that. I didn't have any care about that. You didn't feel like, oh, that's what they want from me. Unfortunately, I didn't care.

37:40I didn't like the attention. It's so overwhelming to be so young and being asked crazy questions. Yes. And being scrutinized. Someone asked you your bra size or something? That one's funny. These 60-year-old guys asking these teenage girls whether they have fake boobs or they're bra size. It's crazy. To me, that's the funny part, the bra size thing. A lot of it's not funny. So I just didn't have any interest in it. I was an activist in my little heart since I was a little girl. And so I really got focused. I just went, fuck all this. Are we allowed to swear? Oh, please. Yes. It's encouraged. Okay.

38:11Rewarded financially. I went to Peru to go down the Amazon River with Woody Harrelson in intentions to save the rainforest. Okay. Wow. I went to Africa to help with floppy trunk syndrome with these elephants, made a little documentary with Ted Turner's company. I got into all my socially, environmentally sound stuff. And what was the management around you saying? Nobody really loved that. Yeah. That was not great. They're probably like, you got to capitalize. You have an opportunity right now. You can work with great directors. Here's what's on the buffet for you. And the buffet will get taken away at some point.

38:44I don't know that it was as clearly articulated like that. But I do think that activism in general, I remember being on some talk show in the morning. And I never went through media training at that time. and there's no playbook for becoming famous. There's no guidance. I didn't know how to do the press part or the being in public part. So I was on one one morning and they asked me something like, what do you think about Mary J. Blythe or whatever? And all I knew was that she was wearing some big fur coat. And I started describing anal electrocution of how they got that coat. That was an innocent response.

39:19Then afterwards, everyone was like this. Yeah. Yeah, no one's to hear about anal electrocution. Why are you talking about annual electrocution on National Morning Show? They want to hear about Clueless. And I was like, I need to go. Yeah. Like, because everybody needs to know. At first, I thought I could use the press that I didn't want to be doing to talk about these things. But then I needed to realize that none of them wanted to hear it. Yeah. There's like a bunch of horse trading that goes on. Yeah. Like, yeah, I'll come do this. But I want five minutes to talk about this. No one wants to do that five minutes.

39:49That conversation didn't happen. It was more like, how are you? Well, did you know this? Yes. And did you know this? I'll tell you, I'm better than the Amazon rainforest, which is being depleted with a thousand acres every hour. Did you know nine million? And I still do it. I'm like, nine million people die a year from hunger. It's an inefficient use of resources. What are we doing? And people were like, who's this weird girl? She's supposed to give us fashion tips. She's got great style. Exactly. How to catch a boy. So I just sort of went a little bit off. So there was the light switch of fame, which had to be completely disorienting.

40:19But then there was, Did you sign a deal for like eight to ten million dollars with Columbia right after that? Didn't you get a massive development deal? I did. And I don't remember the amount. OK, that's what the Internet says. OK. Let's just say it was a ton of money that you probably had never seen. Was that part exciting? Yeah, I remember what was exciting at that time because I had seen Jodie Foster direct stuff. I thought they're asking me to make this movie and I get to produce it because I had not been interested in the script many times. And I'd had one experience with that prior with The Babysitter where I didn't produce The Babysitter, but I remember the girl felt really like she had nothing to do.

40:57She was just a sex object. So I was able to talk to them about, hey, can we make this more of a human being? And she's still obviously a sex object in the end of the day, but she's more of a human. She's a multifaceted sex object. I guess. It is about their messed up brains. They are all fantasizing about who she is. So I had her like reading Shakespeare and doing weird things that made her sort of different. But I got a taste of, oh, you can adjust things and make things a little different. And so on Excess Baggage, they were asking me, what is it that you want? And I liked the idea. It was just not being executed at the time the way that I felt like I wanted to jump into.

41:31So I have great curiosity about Excess Baggage. OK. That was the first movie you developed under that deal. And Benicio Del Toro, Christopher Walken. This is like a fucking incredible cast. Yeah. Like me, you had seen Usual Suspects, right? And you're like, who the fuck? Give me the fucking keys to the cocksucker. And then he flip you. He's so brilliant. He flip you for real. He flip you for real. When's the last time you saw that movie? I know. I want to rewatch that. Oh, my God. You can't understand one word he says in the whole thing. Yeah, I loved it. He's brilliant. So was it hard to get?

42:00Because he seems so elusive to me. I don't understand. I would love to talk with him and understand what the game plan is. Because he's just gone for these long periods of time. And then he pops up in three movies right away. I'm like, how's he deciding all this? He seems hard to get into something. Was it hard to get him in that? No. I had a similar conversation with him where we sat down and I was like, the script sucks. Let's make it good. And he was like, okay. He's all right. Well, let's flip it. He doesn't talk like that. Well, flip it. It's really good, Monica. I know you're cringing, but that's kind of how it sounds.

42:29I know the line. Everyone knows the line. Flip it for real. What was it like working with him? He and I had an incredible working relationship. I could write a book about that. So we'll just give you the highlights, which is I think that we had a tremendous respect for each other. I know that he really valued. He always would say you're so strong. And that was because I was totally unhinged. I did not know any rules. I had nobody sit me down and go, this is how you get things you want. Thank God, though, in some ways. In some ways, but in other ways, I really should have been sat down and explained.

43:04Okay, that's interesting. And that said, we had an incredible journey together on that experience that anyone who was involved would understand. And it's really to be left in a vault until I'm like writing a memoir because it's too, you know. That's the second time you've policed yourself. Maybe the third. I police myself a lot. Yeah, tell me about that. What's your fear? Because I've been doing this for a long time. And I don't like how if you and I have a really, I mean, there's so many things we've already said that I could go back in my mind and go, oh, when it's heard. they then take the one little thing and it's all over the news and it's just annoying.

43:41It is annoying. But you still care? Do I care? That's a good question. My ex-husband, who I love very much, always said, I don't know what your problem is. Everything you say is so punk rock. He thought it was great. It's great. And I can look back and see it that way. But what I don't love is it being brought back to me. It's just boring. You know, if every interview you do, somebody's bringing back something. Oh, they bring up something. Yes. Yes, I just want to stay in the now. We're having an incredible conversation, but what could be taken from it? And I'm not critical of it. I was just curious, did you have an event where you felt, I paid a big price for that?

44:14No, I also just think there's a lot of things to say that it's no one's business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't want to out people left and right. Like, why? There's a million things that have happened to me. I just have no interest in - Running other people through. Yes. Me either, me either. I just have no interest. I don't lose sleep over any of this stuff. I have a really good life. I love my kid. I'm fine. So I just feel very well. I don't need the drama. I don't need the drama. I don't say anything here about other people, but I'll admit I would have been in love with Benicio Del Toro. He's so sexy.

44:46Yeah. And I think he looks like Brad Pitt. Yes. So that was part of my pitch. So I had to go. See, now I don't know if this is OK to say. Well, you tell me you can cut it out. Yeah, I don't know. So I just don't know if he'd like this or who would like it. But I had to go into Sony and beg them to hire him. And when I did, I was like, he's a Spanish Brad Pitt. Are you fucking kidding me? Like, what? He's so hot. I was like blushing. I did this whole crazy thing. That's correct. Yes. I love that. There's nothing bad about that. It's just flattering. You're worried that Benicio would hear that he had to get pitched to the studio.

45:22But he's realistic. He had three lines that he mumbled in one movie. And you want him to be the co-star of this movie. He's probably like, thank you for doing that. Yeah. We had Brad Pitt on recently. Okay. And it was great. My main takeaway, because of course that happened. People are pulling headlines. They're saying all kinds of stuff. They're saying stuff that didn't happen. They're like, oh, he talked about his ex-wife. No, he did not. You know, they're piecing things together that make no sense. And I was getting so flustered every time I saw it. I was like, no, they're lying. But then I was like, but he doesn't care.

45:54He came on. He knew this was going to happen. If anyone knows. Yeah, he's like, he knew. He's like, they're going to do this. but he's obviously at a place that he's just like, I can't control that. I don't care. And I found that so admirable that he's just like past it. He's like, whatever people are going to say it. It's not true. And that's, it's also, I just find it really funny. I'll say something that's nuts. And I'm like, that's going to probably be something. And then I say something completely inane. Like we don't bathe our kid every night. Right. And then all of a sudden, like the mom blogs are like, their kids are filthy.

46:25I'm like, that's the thing you're out of, I'm talking about smoking crack and robbing liquor stores. Yeah. No one's interested in that, but I didn't watch my kid. Yeah. It's almost funny. You almost just have to like see it as funny. It is all so ridiculous. Yeah, because it's so ridiculous. Like I said, I don't lose any sleep. I'm just trying to make my life easier. Yeah. That makes total sense. Okay. Now this falls back under the umbrella of, I think you live through a time that current people would not have to live through. And so if you don't want to talk about it, fine, but I do want to talk about Batman because I feel like that must've been kind of a scarring experience.

46:56Batman itself? Just that whole experience of doing that movie. I didn't know any of this stuff. I just read about it today. People were calling you terrible names. Paparazzis were shouting. I was running through the airport. Yes, that's crazy. They're standing there to like answer questions and then get you onto the plane. Behind there is a little square box and I would hide in there while they would scream at me. It was horrendous. And you were how old? 22-ish? No, I was 18. You were quite young. I was babes. And people were thinking it's fine to do a full page article about your physique. Oh, yeah, all the time.

47:31And I was half the size I am now. It's so sick. You know, it's so weird. When all that was going on, were you just like, oh, I guess this goes with the territory? Or were you like, this is brutal? No, that was pretty brutal. But also there's worse things in the world. People are dying and things. And I try to keep all that in perspective that it's a high class problem I'm supposed to have. I think that's bullshit. You do? No, I do. I think that's bullshit. I think that's people afraid that someone's going to go, oh, boo-hoo, you're rich. Being chased to the airport, being called fat girl. Exactly.

48:01It's clever. No, it's not. It's fucking rough. It is not clever. It was awful. Do you know what I would say back? I mean, in my head, because I didn't want to talk to them. But like, how do you go home at night and speak to your children? I know. Your daughter. Like today, your daughter is a huge fan of mine. Yeah. Tell her, oh, I told the person that you love and admire that she's fat today. Does that feel good? I met her today. I called her fat girl. And also, what does that tell your daughter she's supposed to be? If this body is not okay, then what body is okay? It's mental. Did people defend you, like in the airport?

48:30I don't know. I was hiding with a thing over my head. I mean, it was really intense and sucked. Yeah, I don't think you need to make light of that. I think that's a very like - That's traumatized. Traumatic. You've lost total control of your environment. It definitely had its effects for sure. And I do think now, you know how you have bad comments? Somebody gets angry at you about whatever. Yeah. And then all these other people come to your fight and they're like, fuck you, this is, you know, and you're just like, yeah, you don't have to say anything. Other people come back and they go, no. You're just like, great.

48:58Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And I've learned over the years, like if you're on social media, you can't take any of that. Do you remember when you first started doing it, how you'd have 99 % be nice and then there'd just be one thing and it would just get under your skin because we're new to it. And then I suddenly went, oh, who cares? This is ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. So you do get used to accepting things. Yeah, I do terrible with it. I'll say in the moment, I don't care. And then three hours later, I'm driving on the one-on-one and I'm like rereading the thing I read and defending myself. You're fighting with yourself.

49:29You're speaking aloud. No, this does affect me. I'm like, I'm full of shit if I think, well, I don't know who that is. Well, I'm thinking about it three hours later. I know. I have a question I was just thinking about. So because of this, that's crazy. Being chased through an airport, being called this, having articles about you. By like eight men. You were preyed on. Why were they even allowed in the airport? Like you can't have people in the airport anymore. Not anymore. Post 9-11. They were allowed to come all the way up to the gate. Up to the gate. Yes. The silver lining no one likes to talk about.

49:59Thank God. Yeah. People aren't fair. They're not fair when they talk about 9-11. They never bring up good parts. There's been a lot of upsides. And you're getting praised by people who you respect for calling you strong. Yeah. Which is a great thing. Is it hard for you to be vulnerable and sensitive because you take so much pride in being strong and I'm not going to let that bother me? I mean, I think I'm extremely vulnerable and sensitive. I'm probably too sensitive. Anyone who knows me, I'm an open book. That's why I have to watch myself because I'm so open. I never used to pay attention to any of that.

50:34And I used to just be completely open. I mean, the thing that I would think before I would get here is I'm going to have too much fun with you. Think that I can just say anything because it's enjoyable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was a young girl, I thought, well, I have to tell the truth and I want to be open. Like, that's how I am. So I would never have any way of being responsible for those things. But I've just learned over time that there are some things that are yours. I do think I'm healthy enough that I don't need to expose everything. Yeah. That's for your friends. That's for fun conversations.

51:05That's maybe for when you're dying, you want to write a book or when everyone's dead. So it doesn't matter. I sometimes think we all vomit a lot of details and information out there that I don't know is really helpful or needed. It's this sort of chaotic unleashing. I come from such a specific background where it was imperative to get sober to shed that. I've had 21 years of going into rooms with strangers and they're all dead honest. And like, I like the results of that so much that to me to experience that and then to leave there and then have any amount of shame about anything about me felt so incongruous.

51:40I enjoy being that way more than I enjoy being protective. And also I recognize it's not for everybody. There are things that are yours. We're really open on this show. He's not going to tell you the ins and outs of your relationship with your wife. Yeah. You're not going to tell. You just aren't. Yeah, yeah. Generally anything that involves someone else, I'm very protective of. And then I expose my mom a lot too, but she's giving me her blessing. Okay, here's what I'm getting at. I'm impressed you didn't just quit altogether. Well, now I have a little bit of anxiety. Not real. Just a slight thought that you guys think I'm super guarded.

52:12No, no, no, no, no. Not at all. No, I don't find you to be standoffish or anything. I've just seen you police yourself a few times and I wondered if there was any reason behind it. Just out of curiosity. I think the main thing in a nutshell is there's so much going on in my life currently. And I just like to stay with what's happening. I just did an entire press tour in New York. I have four things coming out. And the only thing they're talking about is Clueless. Yeah. And at some point it's like, if I do an hour interview and nothing comes out of it other than Clueless, you're just kind of like, wait a second.

52:43Yeah. And I'm so happy and grateful that everybody loves it. But these things are great. Begonia with Emma Stone and Jesse Plummons is amazing. Yes. Irish blood is really, really good and pretty things. Like these are good things. Yes, yes, yes. So if nobody gets to see them because they're so like clueless. Yes. So I come into this with anxiety because my fear is you must feel that way. Yeah, exactly. I'm not dumb. If I were you, I would be like, okay, yes, shut the fuck up about clueless. No, I love it. I loved it. But also I don't want to talk about it for the rest of my life. I don't mind talking about it for the rest of my life if the other things can be talked about.

53:20Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Totally. My thing was punked, right? It didn't matter how many years after I had done that and I'm doing movies. And things you're proud of that you worked hard on. There was 10 years where I was like, shut the fuck up about punk and stop asking me what it's like to act. I already was acting on that. Yeah, you had to explain to them that you were an actor. Yes. Because they didn't know. And I had a huge chip on my shoulder. And what I hated about that, when I came to peace with it all, I was like, I robbed the whole experience of that from myself. Yeah. Because I just didn't want you to bring it up in an interview.

53:51And I was sick of talking about it. No, I wasn't friends with Ashton Kutcher. He didn't put his friend in it. You know, like I auditioned, you know, all these like hangups I had about it. Oh, yeah. And at one point I was like, dude, you're on the show that was this cultural phenomenon. You were a big part of the reason. Yeah. And fuck yeah. And I've come to love it. So my thing is, I don't mind that. What I guess I mean is, like we said, if you put out one thing, you were talking about blackface. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I don't know what word I said, but maybe I said, oh, I don't know what I said.

54:17But whatever it was, let's say that went out. Yes. Then like, that's all that nothing else gets talked about. And so it doesn't matter, but it only matters because I've just spent a whole year dedicated to my work. Yes. Where that involves family and sacrifices. And like, this is your passion. Living in another country for three months. For it all to just be outshined by some dumb thing. That's what I guess it is. Oh, yeah, yeah. I get that. I do too. I think, though, and this is very upsetting, but I think the truth is currently also just because the media cycle is this fast. So that could be a headline.

54:56For a second. And then they forget. For hours. For hours. And then there's a new one. No, I know. Our president will probably do something that'll take the temperature. But also what I think is wild is now you see a headline, somebody's name pops up. And then for some reason, they do then see the project. Like there's this weird thing where it's like, oh, this person's in the zeitgeist again. Oh, there she is in this movie. I'll watch it. We're so fragmented now. And weirdly, again, I kind of hate this, but being out there in general, I think is positive. It's that like horrible old thing. All prices, good press is gross.

55:35And currently, I think kind of really true. I've had things get derailed, though, by things that have come out for sure. and it's just a bummer when you work on something really hard. Yeah. But what I was going to ask is, you've got the number one hit comedy of the summer, then you're in Batman, the biggest franchise, and we don't even have Marvel yet. If I were you, I was like, okay, I'm doing as good as you can do, and I hate it. People are like, you know what I mean? Like, this is as good as it gets. I'm the lead of enormous movies that are successful, and I hate it. And then I'm wondering, if also you're out there shining a light on a lot of problems that need addressing, scene, were you shocked to find out what angers people so much about activists?

56:17How have you synthesized why activists tend to anger people so much? Like, what is your conclusion after years of being an activist? I found, because at first, you know, it's like when you discover what's going on about anything, and I was young, so I discovered what was happening in the animal world and how our food production was affecting people who were starving all over the world. And nobody cares. Nobody talks about it. And the earth problems and all of these things that this one thing could affect four big, huge areas, right? Animal cruelty, people starving to death, health, and environment.

56:54All at the same time, it just seemed like a good, you know, when you're bowling, what's that called? Strike. Strike. Yeah. Get it all with one thing. It's so efficient. But I realized when I learned all this stuff that was so eyeopening, I wanted to run around screaming, rape, murder, fire everywhere I went. And nobody wants to hear that. They don't have room for it. So I don't know if it was Howard Lyman. He made tons of money as a cattle farmer. He had crazy heart problems and was in the hospital about to die. He had a moment where he kind of came back. They told him the food that you're eating is what caused this.

57:25And he had this huge revelation, changed his diet, changed everything. And he's an amazing man who's been going around telling everybody his story. Well, at one point, I think I went to an animal rights conference. I think it It was in the year 2000. He was there. And I remember him saying something like, it's better to wait to be asked about this stuff rather than sort of going around. Proselytizing. Yeah. You're going to have way better results. And also I thought, oh, God, that's such a relief. You'd feel guilty if you hadn't shined a light on that. Yeah. And I remember my husband saying, we're not together anymore, but we would go to a party.

57:56This is when I was like 21 and I was newly vegan. And he sort of would say, is there anything you can talk about besides that? You seem like really stressed out when you leave. And I'm like, I know. So he was right, but I didn't know how. It became a relief when I wrote my book, The Kind Diet. Yes. Because I was like, look, I'm going to write everything I have to say here. And if you want to read it, you can. And if you don't want to, you don't have to. And now I don't have to talk about it anymore. Yes. And so I can promote it. I can tell people when they ask me questions, that's where it all is.

58:26Yeah. And I don't have to answer the stupid, you know, a lot of people are just sort of jabbing you. Yeah. They want to have a debate with you about it. And I can tell right away if they're actually interested in a real conversation or not. So it's sort of like, oh, if you're interested, just read this. I don't need to spend my evening. It's a lot of energy. But if I were you, I think I would be feeling like I'm just saying something to try to help. And everyone's so mad about it. What's going on? Because I've had this experience where we're visiting my mom and my stepdad who's now passed. And Kristen mentions wash the apple first.

58:59There's a lot of pesticides on the apple. I hear my stepdad in the kitchen. He's like, Jesus fucking Christ. Now we can't even eat apples. Like he was just so upset. And I was like, what's going on in Barton's mind right now? He loves Kristen to death. Well, it feels defensive. He feels judged. Yeah, judged. He feels like he's best. If we do this, we must think you're stupid for doing that. That's a kernel that could definitely happen. So you can probably tell by looking at me, I'm into lifting weights and I eat a lot of meat. I have a lot of accounts I follow. I'm not vegan, but also I don't care if someone's vegan.

59:30And what I can't understand is people who fucking hate vegans because they eat meat. I don't understand why vegans hate meat eaters. That makes a little more sense to me. But another one is gas car, electric car. Just don't drive an electric car. I'm super into cars and people that are into cars. They don't just don't buy an electric car. They hate electric cars. All their posts are about they fucking hate electric cars. They want them to be made illegal. I don't understand hating something because. Hating the person that's trying to do better is really tough for me. I understand the opposite way more.

1:00:07Again, that's tough because there's judgment and it's just not going to work to judge people. But to be like, how dare you drive an electric car? It's like, it is better. What's to hate? This is so confusing to me because I'm not really... Dialed into the motorsports community. Yeah. I have experienced people in my years where they're like, you're vegan. What are those shoes vegan? You know, and you're like... Putting you through a purity test. Yes, they are. But let's just pretend they're not for a second. Does the vegan-ness go away? Choosing this way of eating, you save so many animals. Like I did this because I love animals, period.

1:00:39End of story. But once I did, I ditched my asthma inhaler. I had allergy shots twice a week. I was taking antibiotics two or three times a year for bronchitis. I had acne everywhere. And I, after Batman, was what they called a little pudgy, right? Or some people said fat girl. And I changed all of it. All of this went away. My skin was glowing. My eyes were white. My nails, you couldn't bend them. It was like so strong. Everything changed about my health. All positive. Yeah. And then I did research and was like, wait a second. Bruce Lee was vegan. Wait, Naratalovo. There were some athletes who did it for performance.

1:01:15It helped with inflammation. It helped with recovery. And it gave you longer lasting performance. And then I started to learn that there was all this science. And that's why I wrote the book, The Kind Diet, because there was all this science and medical research that supported this idea. So it was this magical thing that was happening to me had happened to people who had cancer, who had had heart disease, who had diabetes, who had lupus, who had MS. So I was like, oh, this is interesting. I didn't know. I remember crossing myself, and I'm Jewish, but going, I didn't know if I was going to be well.

1:01:45But I couldn't look myself in the mirror one more day and say, you're a good person. You love animals, but it's okay with you how they're tortured and mutilated. Yeah, it's completely incongruous. It was hypocritical. It was too hypocritical for me, and I just couldn't do it anymore. So that's why I changed. But all these things started to happen to me. Then I learned about the environment, which I did not understand that connection at the time. And then I started learning about all the starving children all over the world and the people who are dying. And I was like, this choice is the most efficient way to knock out all these problems at once.

1:02:14You can't solve everything, but you can solve a lot here. And even if people just do it more than not is better. I feel like it's been great for me and I loved writing the books Kind Mama, Helping Mommies Get Pregnant. And I just really found a way to harness this thing that I cared so passionately about and dive into that. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

1:02:47I'm impressed you didn't just bail. Because if you're getting heat from like both sides, some part of me would go. What heat? You're getting all the attention at the airport, which is totally unpleasant. And then I imagine when you're sharing the causes you care about, people are being critical of your activist work. And how at that point do you go like, I just fucking give up. I give up on all of it. The activism stuff was so crystal clear to me, you know, especially once I wrote my book. It was too rewarding. There was a man who had come to the first signing. And then he came to a signing two, three years later when I went to paperback.

1:03:20And he goes, you don't remember me. And I was like, I'm sorry, I don't. He said, because I've lost a hundred pounds. I'm off every medication I had. Wow. And he had changed his life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And another time I was at the theater, I mean, this happens a lot, but people say they love Cher and Clueless every single day, everywhere I go. And that is really lovely. Or they've seen this movie or they've seen that movie. And that's really lovely. But nothing is more lovely than a woman who comes over to me and says, I couldn't get pregnant. And I read your book and I got pregnant. And thank you.

1:03:49We start crying. That's the juice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that I was not going to escape. And I guess what happened with the acting was that even though there were hard parts of it, I did sort of go away. I wrote for a long time. I started doing other things. You did a ton of theater, I noticed. I did a ton of theater. And the theater got me back into the acting. That was kind of my hunch from looking at this from the outside going, oh, yeah, that version kind of sucked. But I love acting. I can go do this here without all that. Which I kind of forgot. You forget you're an actor. Also, money enters the picture and that's a very powerful force.

1:04:23But I did love aspects like Benicio and I had an incredible. I mean, there was a lot of hard parts of it, but we also had a great experience. And being able to learn on the job the way that I did. And then I got to do Love's Labor's Lost with Kenneth Branagh. And I got to do things like that. Now, I made a lot of dumb choices along the way, for sure. That's the only way we can do it. We just got to learn from the mistakes. I feel like I came back in a different way. I got to do all my theater. And through the theater, I got to just work with really cool artists. And you got to love acting again for what it was.

1:04:56Okay. You did Reptile again with Benicio. Yes, that was amazing. Are you guys the same? We are. It's so interesting, our relationship. and I don't want to speak for him, but I know that he trusts me. I would feel very rewarded by that. I was so excited when they asked for me to do this. I remember saying to him, are you sure? It was so great. Yeah. And the killing of a sacred deer, which is incredible. How did that come to be? Killing of a sacred deer. I did an audition. I got a call from my agent who's very good and feisty. And he said, you need to show up in 24 hours or something ridiculous to this audition.

1:05:32And Francine, this amazing casting director, I believe had seen me in a play I'd done on Broadway, the last one that I was in. And so she brought me in for this. And Brian, my agent, said, now you're not going to know who this is because you never know anything. And you're not going to know who any of these people are. But just go watch The Lobster real quick and be ready and show up to this audition. So I watched The Lobster and then I did this audition. And then some weeks later, I got a call that Yorgos wanted to speak to me. And I was in Australia at the time with my five-year-old son. I got on the Zoom thing with him and I thought it was another step in the process.

1:06:09Yes. So I was kind of nervous. Yeah. But it wasn't another. I mean, it was in that I think he was checking I wasn't awful as a human. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, I think he just wanted to check. And then in that call, he said, I'd really like you to do this. Was it so exciting? It really was. Yeah, if I had just seen the lobster. Because now I went back and watched Dogtooth. And have you seen Dog? You need to watch Dogtooth. Dogtooth, okay. Dogtooth is his first film and it is so freaking brilliant. It's Greek and there's subtitles. So anyway, that was just incredible. There's moments in your career that just feel so exciting.

1:06:45Oh, yeah. The crush felt so exciting because it was my first movie and I felt like I was with a family and Carrie always was so nice. It was such a juicy part. And then I remember Love's Labor's Lost felt like such a big deal to me because it was Kenneth Branagh. It was Shakespeare, you know, and that was such an exciting thing to have happen. On Broadway with Laura Linney in this play was an incredible experience with Daniel Sullivan as the director. They give you just enough stuff to keep you going. And David Mamet. We're doing a play with David Mamet. It was incredible. That was a highlight.

1:07:15So this was one of those. And then I started to see all his films and I'm obsessed with his films. And so I'm so grateful to get to be in another one. Yeah. Yeah. How cool. He did... The favorite. He did Poor Things. Poor Things. Poor Things. He did. That was my favorite movie last year. Yeah, Poor Things was so wonderful. And Kinds of Kindness is so good, too. I haven't seen that one yet. I'm going to need to have a Yorgos. Marathon. Marathon, I think. Yes, it's worth it. Okay, so you're in his new movie on Halloween comes out. Yeah. How do I say it? Begonia. Begonia. Okay, Irish Blood. I called Monica from Nashville.

1:07:53I was watching it and I was like, you know, I was going to watch one episode of this because we have Alicia coming and I'm on episode three and I can't fucking stop. He could not stop. That makes me so happy. No, look, I had some issues with it. And I only say that. You can tell me all the issues. I'm going to tell you why I'm saying that. Because if you're me and you're watching and you have some issues at the beginning, I'm telling you stick with it. Okay. I'm allergic to things that are a little saccharine. I was just a little nervous about how emotional it was. Is that with the dad part? Yes, the flashback stuff when you're a little girl.

1:08:27All right, so just to set everything up, you come in at 10 years old and the house is trashed and dad's gone. And you assume that he beat mom up. Well, there are bruises. The mom has bruises. And so the natural assumption is that - This guy you loved and adored. Her, her. So that's a very heartbreaking moment for you. You're a little girl. You grow up. You're very jaded when we meet you as an adult. You're a divorce attorney. You're an angry woman. A little bit. tough. She's tough. Yeah. Doesn't believe in love. Can't find a partner she likes. Well, she's not even looking really. Yeah. Exactly.

1:08:59She's got a lot of trauma. You're like, you gotta get the fuck out of here. Get out of here as fast as you can. But you get sent this envelope and in it is a key and it is in Ireland. And you, for some reason, decide I'm going to go explore this. And when you get there, it's a key to a box. You discover that your father is dead. I think we can say that. Okay. That's early enough. We need that for what this show's about, I think. Does it make you nervous? Yes and no. I think it's a good find. If you think it's good, go for it. I'll tell you why. Because now we've got a mystery. We've got a whodunit.

1:09:37Dad has been killed and you have been left some clues by dad. Okay, now here's the gear that it kicked into for me that made me insatiable for it, which was, did you ever watch Veronica Mars? No. Do I need to see Veronica Mars? Yeah. Wait, is that with Kristen? Yes. That's her first show. One of her first things. And let me just tell you, I start dating her. I know she was on a show called Veronica Mars. I know it's about a teenage sleuth. It's on the CW or WV. We've been together for like four months and we're in New York shooting a movie together. And I'm like, I'm going to have to watch this fucking show.

1:10:09I got the DVDs. Same thing. Fourth episode, she walks in the room. She's like, you want to go out to Spotted Pig? I'm like, shut the fuck up. Ron's about to fucking blast. I got so sucked in. You must watch it because this is very much a grown-up Veronica Mars because you're not built to be an investigator. You're a lawyer, but you're tough and you're shrewd and you're smart and you seem to be completely fearless to walk into any situation. And then all of a sudden this really good noir kind of investigation happens. And it's very Ron Mars, which is a very high compliment. Oh, very. Thank you.

1:10:45Oh, I'm so happy that you love it. That makes me so happy. And it's on Acorn, which I didn't know about Acorn. Did you know about Acorn? Erin's obsessed with Acorn. So Acorn specializes and they just show British shows. And Erin watches every single costume. Erin's his best friend. I've got it. Soulmate, best friend. So Acorn just plays British stuff. And this is an original for them. So Ireland, how long were you there? Three months. And had you been prior to that? Yeah, I had. I loved Ireland. I don't like saying ex-husband. It sounds so horrible. The man that I was married to for 20 years. It's a great run.

1:11:23I know. I say this all the time. Like if Chris and I ever split up, I would only describe this as still an enormously successful relationship. Yes, because it's been a long time now. Like we loved each other to death. We had these two beautiful children. We had this great time together. Yes. And I would really feel like I was dishonoring it if ever we were not together. I will always love him so much. He lives across the street from me, by the way. Oh, really? Oh, that's wonderful. He used to live down the street, but now he lives across the street. That's so lovely. I will always love him. You can't be together with someone for 21 years and not.

1:11:55Yeah, I love him so much. And sometimes, this again, I probably shouldn't say. I was walking the dog. My dog loves him because he gives him meat. Sure. Like he just gives him like steaks. So my dog's like pulling me up to his house. I get into the house and he's standing there in his underwear and I'm like noticing all the things. And I'm just like, this is so interesting. Like I'm like still attracted. Like I'm sure we're both attracted to each other. Of course, in the life. We love each other. Yeah. And that was my partner for 20 something years. So there I am just like, this is so weird. So funny.

1:12:26Also, if you were like four glasses of wine deep in your house and you looked out the window and you're like, I just got to cross the street. Yeah, so close. So close. But the reality is we can't. So we won't. I will say that's really brave to make a decision like that when it's easier to just stay in something that's not really working or isn't right. But that you've been together for so long and there's love there. It's hard to make that decision. It was heartbreaking. We were both in love with each other when we broke up. Yeah, that's just a horrible thing. But we co-parent beautifully. Why am I talking about him?

1:12:58What were we just talking about? Oh, he and I had gone on a trip. We went to Ireland. The destination was the MTV Music Awards of Europe, like Ireland. Dennis Hopper was there and it was wild and fun. We decided to fly into, I think, Shannon Airport and drove. So we took two weeks to get to the MTV Music Awards. And I remember being like, we need to live here. It's so incredible. When you were in those Hollywood-y scenes, could you enjoy yourself and drop in and be a movie star? Could you pop on that persona? Like if you're at the MTV Movie Awards, could you have fun? Music stuff was fun because everyone's more wild and feisty.

1:13:35And I'm like a hippie punk rock weirdo. My husband was in a punk rock band. And so we were rock and roll mixed with my environmental, I call it political, but my entire thinking of wanting to know the truth and being dedicated to love and kindness and trying to make this world better. That's my rebellious fucked upness. So I had this sort of hippie punk rock and I don't know how to do small talk. So I'm useless in a situation where I have to engage about, you know, like I want to go deep right away and I want to know. Same. Me too. And so I did well at music things because it feels like there's a more.

1:14:14It's gritty. It's more gritty. It's more wild. I did well at things like I remember I went to the GQ Awards in London and I brought Timothy Spall with me as my date. Who's he? He's an amazing English actor. And he was in Love's Labor's Lost with me. And we are dear friends. He came to our wedding. He's a lovely man. But that's who I wanted as my date. And if you have a visual of Timothy Spall, he's now sober and still the sweetest man on the planet. But like, you know, we were a little odd couple. He's a lot older than me. I wasn't showing up with Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt. Not that I wouldn't have been open to that.

1:14:48It just didn't work out that way. You don't have to say names, but after Clueless, did you get any random calls from like an agent? Like so-and-so wants your number. You don't have to give any names, but did you have those calls? Well, by older gentlemen. Sure. Oh, actually, hang on. Older gentlemen. I can tell you about them later. There was one, two, I think. Oh, three. I'm going to go with there's three. I'll tell you when we get out of here. Okay. But it wasn't like. It wasn't gross. It was just like. No, it was fine. Let's have dinner. Yeah. Some of them were under the guise of let's work together.

1:15:27Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The guys. But there was nothing inappropriate with any one of them. Okay. So now this is back to your husband. I was with a woman for nine years before Kristen. And I had this huge fear when we broke up. Oh, man, that's the last person I'll ever date that knew me before. Oh. I liked the notion that I had been with someone that had seen the whole thing, that really knew me and still liked me. Did you have that fear when you got divorced at all? Like, man, the one person on earth that knew me from the jump. Well, he didn't. I met him when I was 21. He kind of caught me at the highest of the moments.

1:16:04Yeah, that's true. Congrats to him. Yeah. Yeah, what a step. But I did have the feeling and still do of how do you find that partnership and that love ever again? He's my emergency contact. I'm his emergency contact. Yeah. He's your soulmate, really. I think we're going to be something forever. I don't know what soulmate really is or means because if we were soulmates, wouldn't we be together? Well, not necessarily. I think soulmates take lots of different shapes and I think you can have multiple. But I also think it's just like we're connected and we're going to be connected forever. I remember dating after having been separated for a long time and thinking if I like someone, And it felt I was betraying our relationship.

1:16:47Right. Even though we were divorced. Yeah. I would get teary-eyed like, oh, I like someone. This is crazy. I'm betraying our love. It's insane. How about would you feel guilty? Like I remember with Kristen and be like, I want to tell her this story about Brie when she was a little girl and found a tampon in the toilet. And came running out and was screaming, there's a bloody bone in the toilet. To her whole family. Like she had never seen a tampon. And there's like a hundred of those. There's all these funny stories you accumulate. late and you're like, is it cool that I tell my new girlfriend this adorable story about my ex-girlfriend?

1:17:19Or you have like jokes that are fun. But it's complex across the board because does Kristen want to hear about this story? Maybe not. Also, is it fair to breathe? Yes, right. It's like, that's my thing with this person. Do I bring it over? Like, it's complicated. But if it's like Erin. Of course. Well, there's no complication there. I know. But what feels crazy is, yes, of course, anything Erin and I have worked on for the last 30 years, that's now part of my vernacular. It's going to come out and I have no issue with it because he's a plutonic friend. But also I have nine years of this stuff with Brie.

1:17:50That's part of who I am. And it feels complicated at times. I feel like each partner has to kind of hear about all the partners eventually, right? I don't mind at all personally. Like I'm just, I've not been jealous of her accident. Because it's your history. Yeah, it's who you are. It's just your life. Yeah. Okay. So were you in Dublin shooting? We were shooting all around Wicklow in Dublin. I got to live in this really cute little village that I love so much. I love Ireland. I've always loved Ireland. And getting to work there was really, really incredible. The people are very different there.

1:18:18They're so warm. They're so generous of spirit. They're very happy. And when they're not happy, they're funny. There's just so much character. Something's going right in Ireland. You know, they had the potato famine, for God's sakes. They should be pissed off. Right. But they're doing great. They should be pissed off. You know, like you go to other countries and you can really see the hardship on people at times and they don't feel that way to me. They feel just so alive, so grateful and so funny and they're so clever. You did six. When do you get a sense if you'll get to do more? I don't know.

1:18:53We started tinkering. I was lucky enough they came to me this really early. So I got to be involved with all the key creative elements. So I worked on the edit extensively. extensively. I worked on every script extensively. We're doing it differently this time if we get to go again so that I can just focus on the acting when I show up because it was really a lot. Well, I was hooked. So you should feel like that was time well spent. I'm impressed that you watched it at all. Oh, no, I loved it. I loved it. In fact, it's rare that I call Monica, if ever, and say like, oh, I'm fucking hooked. You got to tweet this out.

1:19:23I love that so much. Well, Alicia, this has been lovely and you gave us so much time and I really appreciate it. And I don't know if I was at that dinner, but I like to think I wasn't. Let's just pretend you weren't or were. Well, you remember it positively, so we'll pretend like it did happen. Okay, okay. All right, well, at least I want everyone to watch Irish Blood and then also get ready for Halloween. Begonia. And if you have any interest in an erotic thriller, it's out right now, Pretty Thing. I do like erotic thrillers. Great. That's Justin Kelly. He's a great filmmaker. Awesome. So everyone watch Irish Blood.

1:19:59Thank you so much. I hope we get to do it again. Thank you. This has been a blast. This is so much fun. Thank you. He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's got to let him have the facts. I'd like to begin with an update. Okay. This was sent to us by Rob. And Rob received a message that said, Hi, guys. I just saw this week's episode with my wife and saw that you were talking about GWAR. I can make that date for Monica happen for real next week at the VIP opening of Guar's art show, September 12th. I love this. Blothar was just on. Blothar is, I guess, the lead singer.

1:20:44The new lead singer. The new lead singer. The old one died in like 2014. Oh, no. Okay. Sorry for his loss. What an incredible name. Blothar. but we're told oh here we go here we go Blothar the Berserker is the current lead vocalist and occasional bassist in the heavy metal band Gwar he appears as a stout horned pig faced goblin

1:21:11just my type I'm now that's what I want on my headstone here lies Dax Shepard a stout horned pig faced goblin holy shit how hard would you laugh if you were walking through a cemetery and you saw that Okay, so looks like something might be percolating here with the berserker. Blothar the berserker. So I guess I'll keep everyone updated. There's an age gap to contend with. There is. There's 56, Rob? Yeah, he's 56. Yeah, but. Oh, 57 this month. Oh, okay. So he's 19-ish. So still within the 20-year window. Yeah, look, age actually doesn't bother me. To a degree, right? To a degree. You want to spend more than a couple years with someone.

1:21:57Depends on how rich they are. Before they pass on. Speaking of that, I have an update. Oh my gosh, I can't wait. I am days away. Days from becoming a billionaire. Oh my goodness. I know. Oh boy, a lot happened in the five days since I saw you. I know, I'm sorry. What, tell me. I will be winning the lottery on Saturday. okay and it is for a billion bucks yes okay so I've never participated in the lottery right and now I'm a gambling addict okay how did it start and how did we get here so on labor day we were at a I was at a friend's the Hansons and you know everyone was chatting bunch of people there and someone innocently brought up that the jackpot was at one point, maybe just one billion.

1:22:54Oh my gosh. Okay. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. Right. And I was like, oh, that's silly. But then we all started talking about it and people were like, oh yeah, I'll buy tickets. These conversations all go the exact same, right? Someone goes, it's 1.1 billion. And someone's like, so 550 million after that. Exactly. Okay, so that means lump sum, 500 and something million. And then taxes. So really, it's this. Oh, right, right, right. So we're down to 265. Which is great. Out of a billion. This is, I mean. It's a lot of money, but whoa, what a hit. Okay, but. Giving up 750K. I'm very, I'm, or you don't have to.

1:23:36You could take the billion over the 30 years. Yeah. You could. You could. Should you? I don't think so. Well, I can't because now I'm in a pact. So we're all discussing this, you know, and then the next day is the last day you can buy tickets. The drawing was that night. So it was Monday. Monday night was the drawing. Sorry, Sunday was Labor Day hang. Monday night was the big drawing. You were preparing to win a bill. Yeah, getting excited. You know, the whole like, what are you going to buy? What would you do? Who's going to change? Yeah. Which one of us is going to change? Yeah, the most. Everyone's going to change.

1:24:13Who's going to change the most and in what way? And what are you going to do with the money? What are you going to buy? It's so fun. That's the fun of a lottery ticket. What would you buy? It's like a justified dream session. It's free money. What would you buy if you won? I might, you know, I grabbed a Southwest flight out to Nashville the other day. Yeah. Great. Flies into Burbank. I love that. D-money. I appreciate the direct flight. I'm in the middle seat. It's tight. If I had a billion dollars when I flew to Nashville, I could charter a jet. I think that sounds really, really nice. Okay. I mean, mostly before any of that.

1:24:54Let me be clear. I would give a bunch more money away to a bunch of people that I know and love. That's nice. Yeah. So we all have different opinions on that too. What are you going to do? I'm just going to like get my pool. I'm going to throw money at a situation that's currently happening at the house. It's stressing me out. Okay. I'm just going to throw money at that. Yeah. And not try to figure it out. We'll just like take care of that. That's right. And then I'm like, good, I'm going to save it. I'm fine. Yeah. But no, I do. I really want to go to a hotel in Los Olivos, which is a couple hours away.

1:25:35It's an Auberge hotel. I've been really wanting to go there all summer Is that in Mexico what you just said? No here in California Los Olivos Okay It's like a little wine town Okay great Callie's been she says it's great And it's just been on my list to go for a while Uh huh It's not Berge Hotel And so for me It's not Berge Hotel For me That's first thing first I'm going there Yeah yeah okay great And I've convinced everyone like if they win Can we please just go there Everyone said yes to that. Okay, great. So then it's Monday, okay? And we are at - How many tickets did y 'all buy? I'm not there yet.

1:26:15So there's me, Charlie, Erica, Anna, Jess, and Jess's friend, who I don't know well enough to know if I can out him. So we're all - Hang on, it's Jess's birthday. Okay. And talking about the lottery. This is when we decide on our pact. Okay, here's what we're gonna do. Jess was turning 49. Mm-hmm. We're all gonna buy 49 tickets. Okay. Okay. And that's great, right? Then we've got, we're looking at 300-ish tickets. Yes. Uh-huh. And we're gonna go to different places. We're all doing this. If you win, you have to give everyone in the pot$3 million. Okay. That's nice. Right? Mm-hmm. We pinky swore on this.

1:27:01it was basically a blood pact yeah that's legally binding i think yeah a big time charlie and erica leave and you decided to kick them out they had to go they had to go and we had a couple hours until like it was closing at seven yeah and it was like 5 30 and um and we're like okay well we got to go walk to go get our tickets. And Jess was like, okay, yeah, here's my$20. And we were like, no, it's 49 tickets each. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And he was like, I didn't hear that. Oh, okay. And then his friend also hadn't heard that. So already there's a fight brewing. Uh-huh. Okay. Because no, you can't give 20.

1:27:48No, no. You have to give the equal amount. Yeah, if you give 20, you're not getting$3 million. You're getting like 1.3. No, you just can't be in it. I agree. But even best case. Best case. But that's what they would probably say. Like, well, we'll just get less. No, that's not how it works. In for a penny, in for a pound. That's right. The whole point is to increase our odds. That's right. Yeah. So fights were starting and it was his birthday. So it was like, can't be in a big fight. But Ana and I were getting mad. And also Ana was like, we've been saying 49 for so long. Like, why? What's happening here?

1:28:26What happened? So a riff happened in the group. We kicked them out. We called Charlie and Erica. We said, this is what's going on. Yeah. Are you under the understanding that it's 49? Yes. And they were like, yes, yes. Obviously it's 49. So we left Jess and his friend in the lurch. Yeah, yeah. Ana and I walked down the street. We got our tickets. Oh, God. So how many tickets? So we got$290. No,$100 each. So no, no, sorry. It was$100 per team. Oh, tickets are$2? Yeah, exactly. Oh, I thought they were a buck. Yeah. I'm back in the 80s. I know. Sorry. So anywho, we didn't win. Okay. Okay. Okay. But guess what?

1:29:14Tell me. Nobody won. So what is it now? So then yesterday was another draw. Oh, my goodness. And so, okay, no one won on Monday. On Tuesday, we have to have another discussion. The pact has to come back together. Are we doing this again? Reconvene. Charlie's like, I think, you know, the rule is if it's over a billion, like, we got to do it. But for how long? It's like, yeah, this is the dilemma. Conundrum. And I said, look, we'll match whatever you decide you want to put in. Okay. So he decided they wanted to do half. Okay. So now on the second round, you can augment the pack. Well, as long as we're all doing the same.

1:29:58That's right. So now we're down to 25 or what are we down to now? 50? 50. 50 tickets total. For all of us. Okay. So$100 worth it. Yeah. Okay. And same thing. We were in Pasadena. We walked down the street to our chef. You didn't side buy? No. Because you thought it would give you bad luck. That's unethical. I thought you may feel that way. Okay. And also on the phone, we were talking to Charlie and Erica. We were discussing the situation with Jess. I heard Erica say, okay, and then we'll just buy. And I was like, no, no, no, no. Okay. They're already changing by the second. Yeah, yeah. You know, before they even run.

1:30:40You're running one of these game theory experiments. I know. And I'm proud of myself. It's like a beast game, you know? Yeah. I'm proud of myself the way I've handled things. The way you've carried yourself. Yeah. So he said, we'll do what you do. We went to Pasadena this time. Sure. It's also so funny. What's the total though? You're holding on the total. Of how many we've bought? Well, if it was over a billion on the first time, what's it at now? Okay. So it was at 1.3 yesterday. Oh, boy. Yeah. I'm surprised they didn't shoot up way more. I think it was. So I think a lot of people do what you do.

1:31:12It's like they just spent a lot. Now they actually feel like they need to protect their initial investment. Exactly. Exactly. For the lottery. So then we didn't win again. Oh. Oh, I should say, I should say the first time one of my Powerballs was right. So I think we won$4. Okay. Pretty good. Put that on the leisure. Exactly. All right. Okay. Then yesterday we didn't win again. Although. Did anyone win? No. it's still in play. And guess what it is now? 1.7 billion. Then I was texting with Eric about something else. And I was like, oh, well, you know, I'm about to be a billionaire tonight. So like none of this is relevant.

1:31:53And then he was like, oh yeah. Oh no. He said, my rule is to play if it's over a billion. Joe's like, yes, this is a good rule. A lot of people's rule, I think. So I asked Charlie and Eric and Anna if we could include Eric in the pact. Okay. But you know he's going to do a side. So yeah, because Eric said he wants to put$500 in. Okay. So I said, that's fine. But if you join the pact, put in what we're putting in and have that separate. Like those tickets have to be separate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're only getting$3 million off of that. Exactly. He's just happy with that. And then he's going to have to.

1:32:31Although your thing doesn't make a ton of sense. Why? Well, in your pack, doesn't everyone pool all the tickets that were purchased? No, like we still have ours. Oh, you hold on to yours. Yeah. Interesting. Why? Well, because I think generally a pool would be everyone put in the equal amounts. These are all of our tickets and we split it evenly. I know. Yours is like, I'm going to buy 25 tickets. You buy 25 tickets. Yeah. It's increasing our odds, but it's still like this is my money. It's more of an insurance bet on a 21. Yeah. I think that's good. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I mean, I personally would be fine us doing it your way where we put it all in and split it.

1:33:11I want to be clear. I don't know that it's my way. I just think that's the conventional way of pooling. Yeah, it is. But I think some people are like, no, if I, it's my money. I'm not going to feel comfortable splitting it evenly. And that's fine. What if someone just disappeared? Like whoever had the winning ticket, they got so greedy. They didn't want to kick out the nine million bucks. It could happen. It could happen. You've watched Mr. Beast. I haven't, but I know that was displayed on there, wasn't it? Yeah. Can we address the fact, like, what if you read that Robert Downey Jr. won the Powerball?

1:33:49Yeah. You'd be like, you fucking, people would be like, you fucking asshole. I wouldn't be mad. So, like, here's what I'm thinking right now. Like, I obviously want to go buy a thousand. Do you want to join the pact? Hold on a second. Hold on a second. But I'm thinking through how angry I would be. Of course. I was broke and I saw that Ben Affleck just won a billion dollars. So it might be a big law. You know, it might not be ethical for me to participate. I don't. So I have mixed feelings on this. Give it. All away. But you won't. Most of it away. Yep. Okay. I want a little something too I know I know and this is this is a dilemma because I feel mixed on this I feel like I feel like yeah you're already rich like Letterman won the lotto come on I know but also I feel like so what's he supposed to do not participate in fun games I know because he's rich this goes back to White Elephant that's right I knew it was all stop the original wound.

1:35:04It all circles back to White Elf. Why am I even going? Why would I play? Yeah, yeah. If everyone's gonna be so mad, I got the good gift. Exactly. Then why even go? And then people are like, oh, she's too good to come to my party. Like, this is bad. But hold on, hold on. I'm gonna say for myself. Okay. Yeah. Like, you know, yeah. You got a ton of good luck. The one thing that you're not gonna be able to do just like play the lotto. It's like, you know, part of me is like, it feels unjust, but then also like, yeah, it feels like that's okay. Well, somebody has to win. And if you win and you give most of it away, that's better actually in theory for the world than somebody is going to keep it all.

1:35:50Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

1:36:02Okay, so what is the amount? Yeah. How much money does someone have to have before they cannot play the lottery? And what percentage do you have to give away to not be a piece of shit? And do you have to give away to strangers or friends or what? I would really want to do something in the foster world. Yeah, that's great. Okay, so. But are you going to join the pact? because actually I feel like you not joining the pact is bad. Oh, really? Yeah, because I kind of feel like that is even more selfish. It's like, I'm not joining your pact. I don't want to give you guys$3 million each. I'm just in it for myself.

1:36:44You know, see, that's tricky. I agree, but I might also tip your pact into no shot of winning because the Sim and Universe are going to be like, You already won the lottery, Buckaroo. I know, so did I. And so there's no way we're letting you win. So do I fuck up your pack? But Eric said that this is a good test of the Sim. Because if one of us wins, then like the Sim's definitely real. But I said, no, I don't think the Sim's that obvious. Right. We are not going to win because it's a Sim. And then he said, it's going to go to someone who thinks their life is going to get so much better. Like that all their worries are going to go away.

1:37:32They're going to be happy. And then he said, so it might go to Charlie. And then he said, so it was good for you to partner with him. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. And Charlie did make that clear. He does think it's going to solve his problems. Solve all of it. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It'll solve a lot of them. It will solve a lot, but it won't solve the existential ones and it won't solve loved ones. Yeah. But I'm coming now more full circle. Okay. I'm coming more full circle. About what? Well, it's like, yeah, it didn't care my thing. That was my first realization. It didn't care my existential dilemmas.

1:38:12Yeah. My self-esteem wasn't elevated by it, which I was hoping. Well, and it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be, but I thought it would be. So now I'm in this place of like enormous gratitude and I go, no. Like, in fact, we were just saying this on our trip, like talking with Molly and Eric. And it's like, wherever you go, there you are. That saying is true. Yeah. But being in an environment where it's like 136 degrees outside and the wind's blowing sand across your face the whole time versus being somewhere like Hawaii. We're just very calming and lush around you. That app, that has to have an impact on you.

1:38:55Yeah. Your environment's definitely. Environment has a huge impact on you. So that's part of money does make you happier and that you can be in an environment that you are much calmer and happier in. Yeah. Money definitely increases happiness. There is no question about that. But it is capped. Oh, yeah. It is not. It cannot buy you. I mean, it can kind of buy you people, but those are not real relationships. And those aren't ones that are actually fill anyone up. Have any value. Yeah. So at the end of the day, I believe that's the only thing you really need is people in love in those relationships.

1:39:41And money really cannot buy you honest relationships. You can be awfully miserable with. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, of course it makes your life so much easier. I mean, and yes and no, because even like, yeah, you have more money and you buy more things and you owe more money and you stress out about that. And then it's all relative. Like, because most people aren't smart enough, including me, to have money and then say like, I'm just not going to spend it. I'm just going to buy exactly what I need and nothing more. And let the money abate my fear. Yes. That's how we do. We buy more things and have more things that cost more money and require you to have more money.

1:40:31Yeah. It's a treadmill. And it's a really fucking awful treadmill. Anyway, but like when I win the bill, I think I'll finally feel good. Will you fly private ever? No, you know, I don't. I mean, if I have to. Oh, because you're scared. I don't like it. Yeah, it scares you. I mean, if I had to, I would, but that's not how I would spend it. I would definitely spend it on first class travel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe an Emirates. Uh-huh. That was ideal. Yeah. Safety. I want it for safety. I know, I know. But I want everything for safety and it doesn't work. It does not work. Right. You just, you have to.

1:41:12That's what's crazy. You have to decide you're safe. Speaking of which, Man's Search for Meaning. Man's Search for Meaning is one of the most. Popular books. Heralded books. Always on everyone's top five recommendation. I was positive I read it. And I'm like, I've forgotten most of it. I'm going to reread it. I don't think I've read it. Oh. How did you like it? It's, I'm just starting, but it's incredible. Oh. And yeah, here's a man who was a psychologist who was put in Auschwitz. Oh my God. And his like even sidedness of the experience is so fascinating. And again, how he finds meaning. Yeah.

1:41:58And how you identify yourself. And it's talking about how people, since once you got in there, they shaved your head, took all your belongings. And now when you're meeting people, you're kind of free to say you were anybody. Yeah. You could say you were a doctor. Well, you can actually inflate your previous status. But I was like, oh, that's a that's like a detail I wouldn't have thought of. Like, oh, people are like, oh, I kind of can say I'm anybody I want now. It's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as we're talking about a billion dollars, it does feel crazy. It feels crazy that there are things happening in the world.

1:42:39There are so many starving people. And then there's like a billion dollars someone's going to get. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, where does the California lottery money go? To, in theory, education. All of these lottery bills that were passed across the country, really in the 80s, I think. Go to education? That was the premise. But, you know, what percentage goes to education? Well, in Georgia. It funded your college. That's right. So I feel like I owe the Georgia lottery some money back. I think they have varying success rates. Yeah. Well, it worked there. I wish they would adopt that here. Yeah. The casino proposition hasn't really bore the fruit they were hoping.

1:43:23That was also how they sold casinos in states. It's like, it's going to go to education. Yeah. And my experience in some of those casinos is like, I think it's more kind of preying on the people who are most broke already. And I don't know if that's how we get our education. That can't be right. If that's how we fund it. Okay. Do you think if you win, you should give everyone who contributed to the lottery like at least a dollar? I think logistically that would cost probably$3 for every dollar you distributed.

1:44:03Could be costly. I hope I didn't yuck your yum on your pack. No, I would love you to join the pack. Okay, what's the buy-in tonight? We haven't decided yet. We have until Saturday. Saturday is the next straw. Okay. I would like to go back up. Well, you know I'm going to want to go up. I know. We're going to play. See, this is going to be tricky because I think now, but it's okay. Well, I'll put in a pile to the pack. Yeah. And then I think at this point, people want to do side money. They can do side money. Okay, everything's on the table. But there is going to be a certain amount. My guess is going to be it's$100.

1:44:41If we show up on the next fact check, what outfit should we be wearing? Like, are we in superhero outfits? Are we in pilgrim outfits? I think we should just have a visual none that just, we don't want to trigger anyone. But if you're watching, it looks like they won a billion dollars because they're both in sailor outfits. Okay. So you can pick. I'd love to go ballerina. Great. Yeah. If we're both in full. Tutu leotard. Onesies. Yeah. Singlets. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Want to do some fackies? Yeah. Facts for Alicia. Silverstone. Yes. Now this is sort of a ding, ding, ding to earlier because Alicia, you'd be surprised.

1:45:25surprised she married someone in a punk band. Yeah. And you'd probably be surprised, except not really when you get to know her. Once you get to know her. Also that her best friend is Woody Harrelson's a surprise. If you're just basing everything on Clueless. Exactly. There's a lot of surprises that come your way. Yeah. I really liked her. I enjoyed her a lot. Me too. She was so cool. Very self-assured. Yep. She's been around for so long, obviously, and you could like feel it. Yes. And again, just the gap between who she is and what she got famous for is one of the more enormous gaps I've ever witnessed.

1:45:58I know. Yeah. It's kind of fun. It's really fun. Yeah. I'm trying to think who else I might put in that category. Oh, I know also is Handmaid's Tale. Elizabeth Moss. That's so true. Elizabeth Moss was so fun and playful. And light. And every role is like she is going through it and she feels so dark and tortured. Yeah, that's a good one. That's an actor right there. That's an active motherfucker right there. Yeah. Okay, now some facts. What show was Rob Lowe on when Alicia was on Mismatch because they had to do press together? Right. I found it. It is The Lion's Den. It was in 2003. Oh, film or show?

1:46:46show show was he a lion it's l y o n s oh okay okay she mentioned got milk commercials and it was a real throwback for me because i used to collect those ads i know and i had such a good collection oh it's so fun to collect things oh you really got in my head ding ding ding so today today's episode that's out, sorry, not for the listener, go back a couple. We had Amanda on, who wrote the book, Destroy This House, a memoir. And she talked about hoarding. Yes. So we get into a lot of hoarding in that, which is really wild and interesting. Yeah. I feel like I'm suffocating as soon as I think about hoarding.

1:47:38Yeah. And I think on maybe a fact check after that or something, you said that I'm like, oh, I could be a hoarder except that I'm good at giving stuff away. That's right. Yeah. At the rate you collect, it could easily tip. But you're great at expelling. So I've been in my head about hoarding a little bit. Okay. Just why you gave my daughter an outfit yesterday? Yeah. So, well, I let her borrow some shoes. I know. Did you see what that? Yes, yes. She needed to borrow some shoes. Right. We're the same size right now. Are you guys the same size too? Yeah, that's why she wanted to borrow. Oh, wow.

1:48:12It's really cute for probably only a very short time. So she should borrow as much as she can now. She should. She should go crazy. Yeah, I did a huge closet clean out because of the conversation. Yeah. And the girls came over, all the girls, and they took stuff. And that's always so fun. Yeah. And then I had to clean out all my vases. I started to feel like, oh, my God, I do. I have so much stuff everywhere. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I asked a few people, but most people said they felt like I wasn't a hoarder. Okay. So that was good assurance. Yeah, I don't think you are. Okay. Yeah, you're not. You know, I'm just prone to thinking I might have things.

1:48:49You're a real dichotomy. It's no peer pressure. Can't be convinced if anything might be fun, but you could be convinced you're a man. Yes, that's right. And then you're a hoarder. A man, a hoarder, real. Uh-huh. Like, I don't really know. It's a dichotomy. Maybe that's why you're so opposed to purebred sugar because you know you're a little vulnerable to suggestion. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Do you think I could sell my collection of got milk ads for like$40 ,000? I don't. I really don't. No. I mean, people collect some bizarre stuff, but I think you might have been one of the few people who had a got milk collection.

1:49:31Exactly. Very rare. I collected them too. fuck oh my god maybe it's a millennial thing what was your favorite one i i would just take them out of sports illustrated how many do you have not that many i had a lot what are the odds i'm sitting with two people who had a got maybe it's an age thing i think it might be whatever the connective tissue is that makes this whole thing work like i think if i had to hire anyone new i would be like first question did you collect got milk ads if they said yes i'd be like you're hired. Rob, did you like hang them or did you have them in a binder? I think I had them ripped out in a binder.

1:50:09Yeah, that's how you did it. That was the move. Yeah. Now please look on eBay and see what like binders of these are running these days. They're just like$15 to buy a print. One print? Yeah. I could really make some money. How many do you have? A lot. No, a lot. A hundred? I don't remember. Okay. Next time I'm home. Okay, count them. I thought I brought them back, but maybe I didn't. I have like really cool ones like a Sarah Michelle Gellar. When you finally move into your house, you're going to have to get a U-Haul and like unload your parents' house. I know. We've talked about that. I bet you have.

1:50:45Yeah. I bet they're like, when are you going to unload some of this stuff? They are TikToking. Yeah. Are they going to downsize? No. They already live in a shack. They live in a big house. No, they live in... Like a 4 ,000 square foot house. Oh my God. You love square foot footage. How else are we going to talk about how big a house is? It's the metric. They already, they could have gotten a bigger house and never did. So they're like happy where they are. Even with. Their room is on the first floor. So they, you know. That's key. Yeah. They're good. That's why I can't die in this house is the stairs.

1:51:18Why? There's a room and there's a guest house. There's a million places where you don't have to do that. Yeah, I'd have to move out of the master bedroom. You already said you were going to do that anyway right now. Yeah, I was thinking about it. Yeah. I haven't yet though. Okay. That's a good update. Okay. Beverly Hills High Dance Group. It's called Dance Company. Okay. Because she was really close. Yeah. Or right. I don't remember. Almost got it. Okay. Best music videos of all time. Top 100. No, no, no, no, no. It's my birthday.

1:51:53Video Kill the Radio Star. 100. Video Kill the Radio. 99. Okay, fine. I'll do top 10. Thank you. You can do top 20. How does that feel? Good birthday compromise? No, it's like either it's all or nothing. Top 25. You can do top 25. Really? That's a good one. I'm going to do top 10. Okay. Because it's my birthday, but I like giving gifts to others. Okay. Now, this is from Rolling Stone. I'm going to go 10 to 1. Okay. You're going to be mad. Okay. But I don't want you to argue this is Rolling Stone. Yeah. Okay. Number 10, Michael Jackson, Billie Jean. Great video. Number nine. That's dancing on the tiles that light up.

1:52:37Oh, yeah. That is a great video. Yeah, great. Number nine, Guns N' Roses, November Rain. Can't remember it. Okay. ZZ Top better be on here. Eight, Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer. Sure. Iconic. The dancing models. Seven, D 'Angelo, Untitled, How Does It Feel? Don't know. He's naked. Oh, sure. Yeah, he's got great obliques. Six, Beastie Boys Sabotage. Yeah, incredible. Directed by her director. Oh, Spike Jonze? Spike Jonze. Really? Yeah, great video. Okay, five is New Order The Perfect Kiss. Oh, wow, I loved New Order, and I don't know that video. It's not ringing any bells? No. Hmm. I gotta watch it.

1:53:25That's part of my homework now. Ooh! Great. Four, Childish Gambino, This Is America. What a video. Incredible video. What a video. Oh, look at him. Oh, yeah. So sexy. Three, Madonna Vogue. Yes. You got to have that in there. Two, Johnny Cash Hurt. I wouldn't put it there, but I do love that song and it's a cool video. Number one, Beyonce, Formation. Okay, you're mad. I know. I already know you're mad. I told you you'd be mad. I just can't believe Thriller's not going to go on. I know. You're upset about that. I think that thing had a budget bigger than a Hollywood movie. Let me look to see where it is.

1:54:01It's got to be on here somewhere. 11 is George Michael Freedom. Yeah, that's what that holds. That's big. That has the supermodels in it. Yeah. Beyonce's single ladies. There's a theme here. You put supermodels in your video and that's going to make the top. Nirvana. Take on me. White Stripes. That's my current obsession right now. I'm so obsessed with Jack White. I can't stop. I'm reading about him nonstop. I really want to have him on. Okay. Kiss is on here. Duh. 18, though. You're not going to. I'm not. I'm at 20. That's crazy. Oh, 99 problems. 23. That's a classic. Okay. 25. Oh, my God. Something's wrong here.

1:54:46They forgot about it. California love. Great one. Or maybe they're protesting Michael Jackson. Maybe. Maybe they felt dicey. Billy Jean was 10. At 10. Maybe they felt dicey about putting him at number one. Well, but they would still include him in. Like no one's going to put the Cosby show is the top five comedy of all time. And it is. It is. Yeah. Thousand percent. But it would never make a top ten sitcoms of all time. Well, he made the top ten. So we can't say that. It just didn't. They picked Billie Jean. Oh, Britney Spears, baby. One more time. That should be five. It's 30. All right. Well, I'm sorry to tell you.

1:55:25That's crazy. Yeah, that's really something. Write in the comments if you're outraged by that. Okay. When did Liv Tyler find out Steven Tyler was her dad? Great question. She was 11. Okay. At an Aerosmith concert in August 1988. Her mother brought her to the show and revealed the truth, which Liv had suspected after noticing her resemblance to Steven. Yeah. She confirmed the paternity through a test around age 11 or 12 and publicly changed her surname to Tyler when she was 11 or 12 as well. Yeah. So I had it pretty right. Yeah. Floppy trunk syndrome. Mm. Very bad. Very bad. It just feels so synonymous with erectile dysfunction.

1:56:09I know, but it's not. It's a condition affecting African elephants where their trunks become paralyzed or severely weakened, hindering their ability to eat, drink, and communicate. That's really sad. I know. There's some weird fact about how many muscles they have in their trunk. And it's an insane amount. 40 ,000. 40 ,000 muscles in that trunk. It says this makes it one of the most muscular structures in the animal kingdom. Yeah, great. I love elephants. I love them the most. No, I love them the most. Okay. I love them second most. Great. You can't love them the most because you love primates the most.

1:56:44I'm always teaching you about most. I know. Man. And best. Yeah. Okay. I do want to say people are going to notice this probably. And like, don't comment. She said Mary J. Blythe. I kept it because it was normally that's something I would cut because she didn't mean to say that. She might say Mary J. Blythe. Yeah. But it was uncuttable because it was important for the story. And for me, I was like, it's just telling because she says, like, I don't know anyone. Yeah. And the whole point is that she didn't know Mary J. She was talking about the animals. Yeah. And so it was actually in keeping with her sweetness.

1:57:25Yes. But it is Mary J. Blige. Yeah. When did Marvel start and when was that in the timeline of the Batman movie? So Iron Man 2008 can claim the banner as the first of the Marvel Cinematic Universe 2008. Yeah. John Favreau. Batman was 97. Mm-hmm. All right. That's it. All right. Love you. Love you.

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