Armchair Anonymous: Bad Teacher

23:53or teams at the state level. So somehow, miraculously, me and my partners pulled it off. We placed first in the state of Texas. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, my Lord. How many folks are on your team? There was three of us. I love winners. Exactly, yes. We placed first in the state of Texas, which was awesome, which meant we were headed to internationals and Disney World. So it was a big deal. We had spent the whole school year preparing for this competition. We were very excited. It was one of the proudest moments of my high school career because we put in so much time and effort. So a week later, there was about 20 kids from my school going to internationals.

24:27Within the organization, there was probably 350 of us. There was only nine boys. So there was an odd number of boys traveling. And so the advisors, which were our teachers, asked us if any of the guys would be willing to room with guys from another school in the district. And so I volunteered because I actually had some friends, Rubant, who were at another high school in the district, and they were also going to international. So I was like, OK, I'll take one for the team. I'll volunteer for everyone to room with kids from another school. So the advisors agreed. Everyone approved. I didn't think twice about it.

24:58And then about a week before the competition, my advisors emailed me asking if I could come to their office to talk to them. And so I didn't think anything of it. I was like, sure. So I walked in expecting to talk about some sort of travel details or the competition schedule or something about our paper. And instead, the very first words out of her mouth when I walked in were, are you gay? What an appropriate question to ask a high school student. What the fuck is wrong with people? And how big is your penis? Oh, my God. So I'm like 16 years old. I'm still closeted. My friends knew, but none of the teachers knew.

25:31My parents didn't know. I was very caught off guard. The first thing out of my mouth was, what, why does this, what does this matter? And she told me that if I was gay, I wouldn't be allowed to room with my friends from the other school because they could also be gay and we could all potentially have sex together. Oh, they were envisioning a deck of orgy. What? But also, even what about the kids in your own school? They're trying to not facilitate the students having sex with each other. I think it's completely inappropriate that they're asking you, but also they're not putting boys and girls together.

26:01No, but you would be with the boys in your class. And that's what I said. So I was like, what's the difference? Because no one else was gay except me. Oh, boy. In the situation. And so I'm like, why are we signaling out me as being a gay kid? I thought she was joking at first. So I was like, OK, so because I might be gay, you automatically assume that I'm going to hook up with my friends. And she goes, that's exactly right. Oh, she didn't hide from it. You're in Texas. I said, well, can I room with my two friends who are girls? obviously I knew the answer was going to be no but I wanted her to say that so I said no I asked why and she says because we can't prove you're gay and I was like okay you're on trial for both not being gay and being gay this is insane I said let me get this straight so I can't room with my friends that are boys from the other school in the district because I could potentially be gay and I could potentially hook up with them but I can't room with my two friends who are girls from this school because you can't prove I'm gay and I could potentially hook up with them.

27:02This is a real catch 22. She looked me dead in the eyes and she goes, that is exactly right. Oh my God. So the plan that all four of the advisors had come up together, they were apparently talking about me because I guess someone spilled that I was gay. They said that I had to go room with two random boys from another school in the district. They weren't going to tell me who they were until we got there. So I left her office and I was kind of like, okay, well, I don't really have anyone to talk to about this because I wasn't out to my parents. If I was out to my parents, my mom would have gone absolutely ballistic on the school.

27:35I had a couple friends, obviously my partners who were in DECA with me, they knew I was gay. So I talked to them about it and we kind of fought back with the teacher and she still was firm with her decision of we are not letting you room with anyone that you know. This is strange logic. You could also hook up with people you don't know. I don't understand any of this. The other thing that I kept saying was I was like, I could go hook up with this guy in his room if I really wanted. And the straight people are definitely hooking up, by the way. Yeah. I quietly accepted the new room assignments.

28:05She ended up telling basically everyone that was going to internationals with us. So now 15 of these people now know that I'm gay, which then spread throughout the organization. So then people in the organization knew. Now people at the other school know. And I was just kind of like, okay, you've kind of just spilled my secret to everyone for what? Like, what was the point of this? They scarlet lettered you. Yeah. And so the funniest part of all of this is we get to Disney World. We're there for the competition. I meet my two new roommates the very first day. Next morning, we wake up at 6 a.m.

28:36on the dot. One of my roommate's alarms go off. It's Delicate by Taylor Swift. I hope you hooked up just to spite everyone. I was going to say, I hope there's a meet you. Oh, my God. I asked the kid right then and there. I was like, oh, so are you gay, too? And he was like, no, I'm not. Well, three years later, he came out on Instagram. And now he is an openly happy gay person. Oh, wow. God, it's so tough at this age. This is wild. But it was funny because it was like her foolproof plan to not get me with anyone that I potentially could know. It's a funny story now. I wrote my college essay about it.

29:14That's actually like how I came out to my mom and dad. And I was like, hey, here's this crazy story that happened to me last year. Sorry I couldn't talk about it at all about what's going on. Oh, wow. Well, I'm really sorry that happened. But you are very smiley. I think you're indomitable. Thank you. I appreciate that. I do have a couple shout outs. Yes, do it. Take your time. Her name is Susan. She's my best friend's mom. She actually got me on to Armchair Anonymous. She's been listening since day one. She was actually one of the only parents who I had come out to before my parents. And so she knew during this whole entire time, this whole entire story going on.

29:49And she was very much ready to go to war with this teacher as well. And then Jesse, my manager, because she let me take about an hour and a half off of work today to come film this. And then Emily, Hannah, Selena and Natasha, because those were the four people who were in Deco with me who went to internationals. They're actually in those pictures. I don't know if you guys got that. Let me see. Also, how'd you guys do in Orlando? though. Okay, so we placed in the top 25, which was pretty crazy. Okay, that's amazing. Oh, so cute. Oh, you're even cuter. And who's this, you and your lover? That's me and my boyfriend now.

30:26Yay! Chris, what a delight to meet you, my friend. It was great meeting you guys. Yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Special thanks to your manager. Take a little extra, like, 20 minutes. There was an internet connection issue. Have a great day. Take care. Thank you. I appreciate it. You guys have a good one. Bye. My gloom is over. Yay. Gloom is lifted. Gloom, gloom, go away. Let my smiles shine today. Hi. Hi. Can you hear me? Look at that shirt. Oh, what a cute shirt. Okay. Why did we pick Abby for a fake name? Okay. Wait. Do you want me to start recording now? Yeah. ABR girl, you don't know the rules?

31:05I'm sorry. You got the shirt. You should know the rules. Okay. It's recording. Abby is my mom's name. and she is the biggest armchair. She's watching on FaceTime in the corner. Stop it. That's so cute. Hi, Abby. Literally, she's been watching Armchair since it came out in 2018, which is coincidentally when this takes place, my story, and when I started middle school. So I grew up with you guys and I can't believe I'm on here right now. We're excited to have you. This is the best day. So I know from that that you're not the teacher in this story. I am not the teacher. I am the student in this story.

31:40Okay, let us have it. Well, what part of the country does this take place in? In the Midwest. I'm in my university's podcast recording studio. They have such a thing now? I was going to say, I can see the sound deafening background. And Dax, you're going to like this. I go to school in the Appalachian Mountains. You do? Is it so beautiful right now? It is so pretty. It's all green. We're starting to get a little bit of change, which is kind of weird, but it's gorgeous up here right now. You probably went there saying Appalachian, but now you know to say Appalachian. My mom grew up here in the Appalachian Mountains, so it was kind of ingrained in my head since I was a kid.

32:14Was she in the Kentucky, the Virginia, or the North Carolina? North Carolina. Okay, great. All right, so hit us with this. Okay, so my story takes place starting in middle school and goes all the way through high school. So I was in middle school starting in 2018, and my seventh grade year of middle school is when COVID hit. So that following day after we all left at spring break and the world shut down, school looked very different. We had different days where half the school would go to class and the other half would go on a separate day. It was called A day and B days. You were with the same five or six people for every single class, and it was called like a cohort.

32:55And it was just a weird period in general because middle school is such a developmental period in your life. And then to have it in COVID when you can't talk to people or see people just made it even worse. Kids were assholes. Everyone hated everyone. It sucks. But what came from that is connections got really strong. Because we were in those classes all the time and we were with certain teachers more on certain days, you just naturally kind of latched on to those teachers. So that teacher for pretty much every student in my middle school was a teacher that we'll call Mr. L. Mr. L was an ELA teacher, but he was also the head of the student council.

33:34Is ELA emotional? English. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I thought it was like emotional learning. I thought it was English as a second language. Yeah, ESL. But what's the A? English language arts. Nice. Okay, good job. You're great. I'm glad you're in college. You belong there. Yeah. Okay. So with Mr. L, it wasn't, you know, we just had him in class. We were with him before school for student council meetings. during school we'd eat lunch with this teacher after school we'd have our events we'd get pulled out early or go on field trips and stuff like that so this was just one of those teachers that really shaped who we were as people and especially the student council kids because we were all the goody two-shoes and we're all super involved this was the teacher that we liked and he was our favorite teacher going forever and ever and ever up through high school and so even after middle school when we would come back or do events.

34:29That was the teacher that we always wanted to talk to. I have TikToks with this teacher. We would post on social media. We followed him after we graduated. So that's the first half of the story. A few years later, my junior year of high school towards the end would have been in 2024. And there was rumors going around that Mr. L had passed away. Oh, no. I was texting my friends. We were just hearing this through the rumor mill and we were in like a grieving era because he was that teacher that we all just love so much. My brother at the time was in middle school with him. So my mom got the email with the big statement saying, we're so sad to hear the passing of Mr.

35:10L. He was such an integral part of our community. Can I ask what age he was when you were his student? He was a young teacher, so he was probably in his early 30s. Okay. Yeah. This is not a 70-year-old man. This huge statement came out. And after the statement came out, we had to do a mandated program called SOS, which stands for signs of suicide. So Mr. L had killed himself. And that just makes it worse. You know, they're sad and suffering. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, everyone was posting about Mr. L. Everyone was talking about it. It just really shook our community. And I sent you guys a picture of a Facebook post that was created in his honor.

35:55And, you know, it just talked about all the incredible things he did for our schools. He looks cute in that picture. So about a week after the announcement of his passing, these accounts on Instagram started getting really popular called Pedophile Patrol. Oh, blee.

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40:07So what these accounts were, were teenagers who basically were doing like the Chris Hansen to catch a pedophile in our hometown. So they would create Tinder profiles, hinge profiles, Instagram, Snapchat, all under the guise of luring men and sometimes older women to catch them trying to have sex with minors. This was in that Manosphere, Doc. Do you remember that? That was like the side hustle of that weird dude from England living down there. And then they beat that guy up in the car. It's like, A, I want justice for the kids. B, vigilantism always goes sideways. That's just a fact, too. Yeah.

40:53Okay. All right. So that was happening in your town. Yes. And the people doing this, they were just like delinquent teenagers. They weren't kids, you know, trying to like make a difference and save kids' life. They just wanted to fucking brawl. And get likes and views. Exactly. So after these accounts started getting popular, a video popped up. And lo and behold, it was Mr. L on the Pedophile Patrol Instagram account. Oh, yeah. And this video is brutal. It's in our hometown grocery store parking lot. They've got the camera against his car window. They're yelling, screaming, trying to open the door, trying to break the window.

41:38Get out here. We're going to beat your ass. You wanted to meet up with little kids. He was in his car looking at the profile and incriminated himself on camera. They tried to hit his car. There's a moment about halfway in the video where you can just see his face and he realizes that his entire life is just completely ruined. It just ended. Yeah. And this video is passed around. It's got thousands of views. Everybody's talking about it. And people were like, when was this taken? And they responded that it was taken a day before the announcement came out of his passing. Oh, so he killed himself in response to that.

42:19He killed himself because he got caught being a pedophile. Oh, my God. I don't know if you heard the episode we had on this. Yeah, we had experts on about pedophilia. Oh, yeah. The woman who's the head of the Johns Hopkins. Basically prevention. It's so upsetting. It's all so fucking upsetting. Obviously, I hate pedophilia. And obviously, no one's picking to be a pedophile. And this is the end result. It's all terrible. It's horrible. All of it. Whoa. Oh, no. Was there a funeral for him? There was, but it was planned before the video came out. And once it came out, everything was just wiped off the internet.

42:58There was never a follow-up. Because, I mean, it's not like the school district's going to say anything. Yeah. You know, it was all left alleged. But that video is so incriminating. The worst part about this story is when we started talking about it, you know, me and my friends, we thought back, like, could this really be, could he really have done that? And there was a rumor that went around in middle school that he would make out with kids in his closet. And we all just brushed it off, laugh, ha ha ha. But now thinking back, it's just like, oh, shit. Oh, my God. Even worse. Also, gratitude if you're not afflicted with this.

43:40I mean, it's even worse to think my little brother was in his class at the time. And that's like the group that he was looking at. It's just so icky. I hate it. It is. So none of you or your friends experienced, obviously, anything. Well, it sounds like he liked boys. Sounds like he liked boys. Yeah. It's rare you can say you're saved by being female. It's very rare. It's very rare. But in this case, that sucks. Well, I hate to say this, but, you know, the expert was saying like so many of these cases are people that are look he could have been a pedophile day one and got this job specifically to groom people and he's a predator that's one version but we learned there's also another version where it's like otherwise people who don't have that are in a situation that can be situational it's like someone who has a stepchild it sounds like this feels a little more intentionally yeah yeah he's making out with kids in the closet yeah but she was saying there can be teachers who are like getting all this attention from somebody they're feeling a certain way and that gets confusing how much education needs to be around like hey even if you haven't had a history of pedophilia people are susceptible to this that's what I'm trying to point out but this doesn't feel like it doesn't but that is true that is a thing yep oh boy oh man well look every school you know it's funny I was talking to my children and uh it said no I was talking to you wasn't my children that I had Aaron and I wiped our butt on our gym teachers bifocal glasses we hated them and we did that and monaco is really really mad and i said but you should know this man was fired when we were in 11th grade for this for pedophilia and then she's like then she's happy that we wiped our butt on his glasses yeah good thing you did look you got to find a little bit of humor in this darkness well because then he had pink eye and he probably couldn't go out no no no no well i hope he got pink eye but i don't think we ever successfully gave him pink eye.

45:30He definitely got pink eye. We just lived to watch him put his glasses on and then he'd always wear a white t-shirt and then he would wipe his glasses off on the white t-shirt and Aaron and I would be sitting cross-legged waiting for the instruction and just the delight we would have of him then ruining his shirt. But you didn't know he was a pedophile. We had bad vibes about him. I mean, we weren't just randomly doing that. No, there was cause. Oh boy, wow. Okay, I guess I'm as bad as those boys in the parking lot. Oh, yeah. We have to deal with a lot today. Yeah, we do. We have to process a lot of this one.

46:03Abby, you're such a well-spoken, great storyteller. I don't know what you're majoring in. Thank you, guys. You have some oral dexterity. I hope you double down on it. I totally do. I just talk my professor's ears off all day. Good, good, good. I have to shout out my professor because he's letting me skip class to do this because he's an armchair as well. So shout out to Dr. Champer. Wait, wait, Dr. Champer? Champer. Champer. I want him to be a dental instructor, Dr. Chomper. Of course you do. Okay, Dr. Chomper. Do you mind if I let my mom say hi? Yes, of course. Let us say hi. Hi, Abby. Hey, guys.

46:40Oh, she's so cute. She has a matching shirt on. Oh, you guys. Yes, she does. Oh, I love it. You guys are so sweet. We love you guys. All right, we love you back. Yeah, both of you. All right, take care. All right, bye. Bye. Hello. What does your shirt say? It's Queens of the Stone Age. Sure, Rob. Are you hard as a rock back there? Love Queens of the Stone Age. He loves it. Alexis, where are you? I am going to be vague because he will get me. Really quick, based so far on this, this story better involve murder. Ooh, can't wait. It doesn't, unfortunately. So vague, what part of the country, a zone?

47:21Northeast. And are you currently residing where you were born or have you relocated? I'm still in the Northeast and I go to school in the Northeast. Okay. And you were born in the Northeast. Yes. Okay. Wonderful. So you have a bad teacher story. I do. This was about four years ago. I had transferred out of my regular public high school in the second semester of my sophomore year into this charter school. So it was a little weird. It was dedicated for the arts, which was super fun, super cool. And a lot of students had similar experiences to me where they transferred out because their other school just wasn't working for them.

48:04A very, very, very large population of the students were queer and experienced a lot of bullying at their old school. And at this new school, it was great. Obviously, they had regular classes that I had to take. I was placed into a biology class. And my teacher, who I'm just going to call Mr. Teacher because he will get me and sue me, was kind of a selling point for the school because he went to this pretty prestigious undergrad and he was a doctor. However, he was a doctor in naturopathic medicine, which is very important. And also, I think we're playing a little fast and loose. Can you get a doctor?

48:46Can you get an MD in that? Not from a university. I think it's called like an ND or something, but they were very insistent that he was a doctor. Okay. Just hadn't taken the MCAT or done a residency. Yeah. Or even probably even got a PhD, so not even a doctorate. It was the kind of thing where you'd be on the first page of the website. He was a selling wife of the school because it's like, wow, look at this doctor we have working here. And originally, I thought he seemed kind of cool because he was this middle-aged guy and he was super accepting and very open and created this wonderful environment for all these queer kids.

49:22And he provided a lot of hygiene products and little snacks and food you could just take, no questions asked. And I thought that was pretty neat. However, as I was in his class more and more, I kind of started to see through this front he had. Can I ask quickly what the hygiene products were? Like pads, tampons, birth control options, deodorant. He's a mini CVS. Pretty much. He had like rice packets. He could microwave. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, it really was like a little store. So a lot of students had issues at home. And there was kind of this following around this teacher where they all referred to him as a father figure.

50:06Oh, no. And it was just weird. It was almost culty. And he knew that referring to him as a father was happening. And he just kind of let it happen. He obviously had his own views on, I'm just gonna call it like evidence-based medicine. He's gonna call it legitimate medicine. He ate a peer-reviewed science. And it would come through a lot with personal conversations with students and his actual class. He would tell students individually to talk to their doctor and be like, you need to tell your doctor to stop prescribing you medication. There was this one specific conversation I overheard where he was like, you need to stop taking your Lexapro, tell your doctor, because so many of these students were on antidepressants.

50:51And he would say, don't take them. And at the beginning of every class, 60 minutes, it was a short class, he would take attendance. And attendance was an event. It was 20 minutes minimum, because he would ask people individually how they were. He would be like, Monica, how are you today? This would kind of open the floor for students to essentially trauma dump. It turned into this therapy session where he would suggest things and it just was a very long event every single day. and he then after attendance would often propose a hypothetical situation or hypothetical question and he loved his hypotheticals and often these hypotheticals had sexual themes oh there was one time he used a student's name he loved using students as examples and he said if student's name was a stripper and only stripped while they were ovulating.

51:59They would make more money because of the hormones. There was a question one day he asked a room of 20 or 30, 15 year olds. If you had a kid and comes out to you as a furry or a zoo file, which would you prefer? He wrote it on the board which is one of the pictures that i sent in oh my god okay i want to look i want to look at this girlfriend dog it says yeah oh my other kin wow wow wow wow because he follows it up with what if it was your girlfriend or boyfriend who said they were a zoophile or a furry it was just unbelievably strange. Yeah. Yeah. This is not school. No, this is his own narcissistic masturbatory.

52:51This is like the ending of my sophomore year. And I'm like, this guy is really fucking weird. So I decided to Google him because I'm a stalker at heart. And if something's on the internet, I'm going to find it. There are countless articles about him debunking his claims and tearing him apart because he calls himself a doctor and makes medical claims which are false. His main claim was that an elderflower pill can replace the flu vaccine, which is also the other pictures that I sent in. One is just a screenshot of Google, of all of the articles, and the other is his claim. Can I ask, how long had this charter school been in operation when you joined?

53:39How long was he holding court like this? And how on earth were no students flagging this to anyone? As of right now, it's been open in like 10 years. And he had worked there for maybe two years at the time. I imagine his confidence was just growing. He didn't start out this hardcore like, hey, what do you want your boyfriend to be? Or if you're a stripper on your period. I mean, it feels like you'd have to ramp up to that. You kept not getting busted for being inappropriate. Well, if he's a father figure and people are looking up to him, he's scary. Disgusting. Yeah, the principal loved him because he was a doctor and he was a wonderful asset to the school.

54:15And had gotten rid of the principal's eczema. It was impossible to get fired from that school, too. There's some like crazy stuff that had gone on there. So in the beginning of my junior year, now that I had taken a class with him, he obviously knew me very personally and could now diagnose me. so I ended up having a seizure within the first like month of my junior year because of a side effect of Wellbutrin oh no and it's like one of the most common side effects it was a one-time event never happened again so I'm telling my friend about this I'm like girl you're never gonna guess why I wasn't here the other day and he overhears this conversation and he comes up to me.

54:59He's like, you need to stop taking all of your meds. And this was exciting for me. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is my first, I'm finally getting medical advice from this crazy man. Obviously, I continue taking my medication. And a couple of weeks later, I am complaining to the same friend about period cramps. And he looks at me and says, those aren't period cramps you're having. and instead it's a bug in my stomach that has been passed down through generations of my family and that I need to go get tested he says it like it's like a freaking std I'm just kind of okaying my way through the situation because that's what I've learned best with him if you just like go okay you know he's always right no matter what and he stops talking and he looks at me and he goes Alexis I don't think you're taking me seriously and is like super like stern and mean about it he kind of just shrugs it off and suggests I take a garlic pill he ended up getting fired finally because he was using students as examples in class there was this like classic high school couple who ended up breaking up and he was using this as this example.

56:21And that was the final straw. Wow. It's kind of shocking that that was versus all the other stuff. Yeah. It's kind of like when you talk about bottoms and it's like, there's so many bottoms, but the actual bottom is never really the worst one. Oh, right, right. But that's because if someone told their parents and a parent probably complained, I'm not entirely sure because he had talked to parents and offered medical advice to parents about their kids. Like one of my best friends during parent-teacher conferences, he suggested to her mom that she get taken off of Lexapro. I'm mildly delighted he got fired for that.

56:58I thought for sure this is going to end up with him in an inappropriate relationship with the student because he's like, I'm a father, I'm a trustee. It was heading there. Yeah, he's an egomaniac and a narcissist. He was on his way to cult leader, which always involves sex. Yes. He does work with children now, still. I would like to add just some other additional fun facts about him. He had a human skull in his room. He did not know who it belonged to. He just kind of had it, which I don't think is ethical. He told us in depth about his suicide attempt and experiences with acid. And then one day, my friend was experiencing a UTI, and he found out.

57:43and told her unprompted that she needs to start having more phone sex with her girlfriend. Okay. Because she's having sex on the weekends, but not enough sex during the weekdays. So she needs to have phone sex. This is insane. It sounds like a horror movie. It does. It does. When I told my friends I was going on this podcast, they were all like, Like, holy shit, because everyone's a victim of Mr. Teacher. Yuck. No, thank you. You would kill him. Oh, I might have him take a look at my psoriatic arthritis, see if he's got another perspective on how I can approach it. Yeah, no, no. If my daughters came home and gave me this report, it would be very hard for me not to drive up to the school and get physical.

58:32Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That's a story. Well, Alexis, it's so nice meeting you. I'm glad you made it through and I'm glad he got canned. Right. I would love to shout out my mom. She is a reading teacher and a very good one at that. We listen to this all of the time. Shout out mom. All right. Well, have a great rest of your day and have fun in college. You too. Thank you so much. All right. Take care. That was a good prompt. It really was. All right. Love you. Love you. Do you want to sing a tune or something? I don't know. A theme song. Oh. Okay, great.