Scott Eastwood

22:39He could have been irregular. He could have had a parasite. He could have had a parasite. We don't know. That's true. But I think his reputation is he's hard on directors. This holds. So he just said, well, send him home then. And everyone said, what do you mean? Well, he's in the scene. Send him home. So he sent him home. And I guess they just went to Kevin and said, hey, you're going to go home for the day. You don't need him. And he said, what do you mean? I'm in the scene. Well, I guess you're not anymore. Oh, boy. The train left the station. Clinton changed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, you know, that's the pecking order.

23:08And so I think the next day he was on set, ready to go. Your dad also infamously does like half a take, right? This is the, I've had friends who have done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like they're doing like kind of a rehearsal and they're going to do a pyro rehearsal and they shoot that. And he's like, okay, next thing. We got it. So yeah, if you're not out on set, like he's moving quick. He's moving quick and you better come ready to work. You better know your shit. Yeah. And actually, I think, you know, I mean, you both are performers and done this a ton. Sometimes if that's done right and the space is held correctly, it's all respected and everyone's quiet and you're rehearsing, sometimes the best stuff just comes.

23:47Absolutely. If you're able to do that, he would always tell me this trick. You would just go to the cinematographer, just run. And you wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable. They're not thinking about anything. Exactly. There's no nerves. Yeah, that's the move. Yeah, it is. Did you have interest in acting as a kid? You know what movie I would say really made an impression on me was Endless Summer. And I don't know if you've ever seen it. 40 years ago. Okay. So it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all time. It's more than just a surf film, though. It's a movie about traveling the world and about travelers that happen to be surfers, but experiencing all this culture.

24:27And the premise is they just chase the summer. They chase the summer. So cool. Yeah, it's bigger than surfing, that concept. It is. They just happen to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport. It's in nature. But they go to all these continents, and they travel the world. And you get all this, like, spice of culture and this life. And I always thought, that's my dream, to chase summer around the world. So I don't know if it happened to be, like, be a surfer, but it was... Experience. Yeah, it was experience. Yeah, how do I stay in summer all the time? Oh, I love that. Or whatever summer represents at all time.

25:00Yeah. So you go to Loyola. I ended up at Loyola. I bounced around. I did Santa Barbara City College. Me too. Oh, no ways. Yes. One year at Santa Barbara City College. Beautiful campus for a city college. Amazing. Yeah, you're in that little bluff looking out at the ocean. I remember I got a microwave burrito my first day there and I was sitting on the grass and I'm from Detroit and I'm like, get out of here. This is a fucking school. This is a college. Yeah. This is a community college. I know. Okay, so you started there. Did you live downtown or in Ivy? No, I lived on the Mesa. I'm in a little apartment there.

25:29I remember it was 12 bucks a unit or something, you know? Oh, yeah, for school. For school. And you could enroll for, I don't know, 100 bucks. Whatever it was. I worked as a bar back at the brew house. I don't know if you ever went down to the brew house. On State Street? No, not on State Street. That's Santa Barbara Brewing Company. I think it's still there, actually. It's down by where the Spearmint Rhino and all that area is. I had a couple friends that worked there, yeah. A little bit of a seedier area. Yeah, I love it. There's train tracks right there. I lived on Bath right behind that. Oh, yeah.

26:00I bar back there. I had a bike. Motorcycle? No. No, no. Bicycle. Yeah, didn't everyone have bikes there? That's like a thing. It's like bike culture. Yeah, you're right. And also, my dad wouldn't buy me a car. Yeah. So you had to. Because I made that pitch, and that didn't go well. This is fucking hysterical. Well, it is. If your fucking dad is Clint Eastwood, he doesn't buy you a car. No, I like that. Yeah, I know you like it, but I would be furious. Well. I think at the time, I was. Yeah. Every time I was. Like, come on, dude. You won't even notice this. Yeah. You can't even find this withdrawal from your account.

26:35But that's not the rationale. It's not like, I can't afford it. And then you'd be like, well, that's bullshit. But he'd just be like, no, you don't deserve a car. I bought a car. Couldn't afford it. But I wasn't resentful because my mom wasn't loaded. But if my mom was loaded, I think I would have been pissed. But you're not just like automatically. Entitled to a car. Exactly. At six or whatever. Probably for the best. Probably for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money and what that is and like learning respect for that and like your job. But also probably giving a kid a car at 18, 19. What do you do?

27:11You're drinking and driving. Are you doing something stupid? He might have been worried that you are going to get in trouble with anything like that. Yeah. And I think probably the value of time and money. I think that's like the principal lesson that he wanted me to know. This doesn't grow in trees and you better go on and earn it. How many nights a week as a barback were you making love to strangers? Several of the nights a week? Yeah, I think four nights a week. Sure. You're perfect. You need to rest. Yeah. Rest days. You're like kind of all my fantasies I have. Like I'm just imagining being as good looking as you in Santa Barbara as a barback.

27:45You are projecting a lot of fantasy on him. I'm trying to own it. But yeah. I'm like, oh my God. You needed a two-seater bike. You needed a tandem bike. What if you took the girl out from the bar and she's like, why do you drive a tandem bike? Yeah. Because I generally have passengers, girl. You riding?

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32:20So how long were you there? A year? I was there for about a year or so. I had this one moment actually that kind of woke me up from being just a kid in college and being a bar back. I went to a restaurant actually in Santa Barbara. And this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii growing up and he'd gone out many years prior. He was like six years older and he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara and he was there barbacking. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, but didn't you go to college here? And like, why are you still working? This is barback. And I was like thinking, oh man, I better get my shit together.

33:00Yeah, that's going to be me. That's going to be me if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college. So I packed up after a year and a half or something at Santa Barbara and I moved to LA. And I was like, I got to get this going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel. Meaning acting in college? Yeah, just acting. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was going to be the thing I was going to do. But at that moment, I was like, I want to give it a shot. Yeah, yeah. And see if I can become an actor and make it and support myself. Not that anything is wrong with being a barback.

33:32Just I wanted more. Yes. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a barback. I almost even think you might get to our station in life and go, oh, right. No, it was never better than being a barback. Oh, yeah. It was simpler. I was out there. I didn't have all these status concerns. Yep. And that was pretty groovy. Like when your parents tell you, these are the best years of your life. Yeah, exactly. Enjoy them. Yeah. You don't listen. You can't listen. Yeah. How was Loyola? Yeah, it was cool. I went to Santa Monica after that. Santa Monica City College. Me too. There you go. Guys, that's wild.

34:08I couldn't get into a four-year. So that's why I went to Santa Monica. Not as pretty of a campus. Not as pretty. Not as good as Santa Barbara. No. This place was in the school. And then I actually applied a couple times. I might have been rejected twice. I can't remember. I know I was rejected once to get into that school. And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever it was, and then apply again. Try to get in. And then I finally got in. I just really finished there. It was funny. By the time I had gone to Loyola, Marymount, I had worked all over the world because I had been in city college.

34:40I don't know, four years. A couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I had gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I had been all over. All during Loyola. I would get a job and ask my job. That was valley parking cars at the time. Chase Crawford. He also valet. He was a valet. Nice. So jealous. Jeffrey. Job I always wanted. Well, it was great because it was like outdoor, you know, and you're like moving and you're in a sun. Sprinting. Yeah. He crashed a car. Did you crash any cars? I didn't crash any cars. Maybe Nick. Sorry. Nothing you had to report.

35:12And so I would ask my job if I could leave, if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could bob and weave and figure out how you could get my work done, but also go do this movie, which was like an opportunity. So by the time I got to Loyola, I was more, what am I doing here? All these kids are freshmen in a dorm. You feel old. I was like, I'm old. And people are asking me to check in for class. And I go, I'm paying to be here. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job. Uh-huh. So I was kind of like, this is weird. But I got through it. I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well to go through the city college and get my associates transferred to UCLA.

35:50And yeah, when I got to UCLA, I was only like three years older than everyone or four. But I was like super into the groundlings. That was kind of my real life. And I remember, yeah, feeling very old on that campus. I also smoked and nobody smoked. And I'm like an old piece of shit at this place. Yeah. I remember feeling like. You're like haggard. I felt like a dirt bag. Yeah, you were. Looking at the sorority parties as I go around. I'm like, where's everyone going? Everyone's going. You guys went to a football game. I mean, I just wasn't having that total college experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

36:18I think similar. And I was six, you did Flags of Our Fathers, which would have been during that period. Did you go to Detroit for a Grand Torino? Did you shoot there? I did. How was your experience? It was. It was fine. It was fine. It was good. We stayed in a really, actually, you know, because Detroit, but it's like a really nice part. Birmingham, you're probably in a really bad part. So they kind of ride like a fine line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were shooting in the exciting area. Exciting. Yeah, I'm going to try to emphasize this. Yeah, sure. Walk me through, again, I know at that time you're like 20 something years old, but initially you were going by Scott Reeves.

36:58You're like, I'm not. Not doing the dad thing. I'm not going to do it. I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going, I don't care. You've just gone by my name. It's fine. Eastwood, whatever. But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own. And, you know, you want to prove something to yourself. Probably. Of course. Other probably people in town. And then you start working and then you realize it's more about doing the work and living in a hotel room across the globe. And all this stuff doesn't really matter at the end of the day. It's like you've got to do the work.

37:31Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic baby? Or was it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm going to show dad, I'm going to do this without any help. Maybe a little bit of both. Maybe a mix. Yeah. But definitely probably like, I'm me. I'm going to try to go do me. Yeah, you're your own person. Eastwood's also, it's not Smith. It's just so clear immediately. you know it's definitely not Smith I've never had a friend with a last name Eastwood have you no until now yeah until starting today until now but I've heard you say that you're like ultimately quite happy it went this way but your dad was a hard ass right it was tough on his sons oh sucker for his daughters oh that's cute would you resent your sisters at all like god why they got it made I think now I'm like what did you put me through and look at that What's going on here?

38:31This balance of fairness is not mathing. Yeah. But no, I love them all. You're fine with it. It's all for the best. You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated, I would imagine. Well, I don't think it was probably in a row. Definitely not. You know, you start working in little things. There's probably a lot of credits that weren't because they're student movies and stuff. They never saw the light of day. But you start working. You start taking acting classes. You do improv classes like the Groundlings. You start auditioning like a madman. I remember there were times there were like two or three auditions in a day.

39:06This is way before the phone and the taping and stuff. You had to drive around the city still with the Thomas Guide. Oh, I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions, and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate. When I finally booked the buyout for two grand, I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour. It's terrible. If I add this up on the last decade. There's so much PTSD driving around LA because you're like, oh, that's where I auditioned for that. They're always popping up. And like you said, I mean, at a certain point, you're like, okay, I'm going to give this till 30.

39:40But if at 30, this ain't working, I got to find a new gig. Yeah. Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in LA? Did you feel like an outsider or did you feel immediately embraced? Never felt like I fit in. Still don't even fit. Right. I love the act of storytelling, whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process. Love it. Intellectualizing about it, having long talks about acting. Not really for me. Yeah. That doesn't mean like you don't have to put in the reps in the gym. You got to figure out what works for you, I think. But that doesn't mean that's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable.

40:22Yeah. My dad was never one to intellectualize about it. He's like, just go tell the truth, man. Figure it out. Come prepared. Do the job. Right. There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting. Yeah, he's unique in that he didn't live in LA. Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60 years ago. As soon as he could. And I did the same. Yeah, you live in San Diego? I live in Texas, Austin, Texas. Oh, wow. But I lived in San Diego for many years. I pretty much left after college. I didn't live here very long. I was like, the city is just too much for me. And do you think you paid any price for that as far as like working?

40:59I mean, clearly not. You've worked consistently. I've debated this with people. I've talked about this ad nauseum. I'm sure not being in the same rooms with creatives and being here. Or at a weird dinner and talk to this person. Sure, you'd be great for this thing. You should look at it. I'm sure there is. But the saying goes, if it costs you your piece, it's too expensive. and this place was costing me my peace okay fury incredible experience yeah hard i want to hear about it oh i made a movie with pena so i got to hear his whole version of that and then interviewed john brent all and heard his take on shia during that which was really fun we didn't talk to pit about fury but what a fascinating life experience yeah who's the director david air did he want you guys to box?

41:50He did. We did that quite a bunch, I think, in the early days before we started filming. He wanted people to bond. He also wanted people to maybe feel the jungle. Monkey politics. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Having to box your co-stars should be highly memorable. Yeah. You don't know what we did. We did rounds, so everyone would box everyone. And look, it was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face. Right. Oh, okay. It wasn't really sparring. It was touch. It's when the boys get intimate. Exactly. And how did you do with Shia? Because John was like, at first, he's like, oh, God, fuck this guy with the fucking method.

42:24And I can't remember if he said it was like midway through. He's like, this guy's fucking great. There's just no way around it. Like, she walks the wall. Like, the results are there. Look, Shia is clearly tormented and maybe got some stuff going on. Certainly addiction. Yeah. And it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about it. Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little, a tense moment. I didn't even know about that. Well, he was very method. From what I recall, he pulled out one of his teeth before we even started shooting. And I remember being in the makeup. No, no, sorry.

42:59That was a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself. And I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy. I'm just going to keep clear from this guy. I don't play this game. You go and do that, but there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie and be professional also right but one day he was having an episode and thought that i shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank okay which was in the script oh my god dip or dip yeah but it wasn't real and then finally i just said enough's enough i said hey fuck you said stop pulling your shit i said i'm gonna whoop your ass and then, you know, he got, you know, froggy and then everyone broke it up.

43:42Oh, wow. David Ayer must have been like, mmm, perfect. The flowers are blooming and I planted the seeds. Keep it rolling. Get those cameras rolling. He wanted a lot of attention. He likes that. I could never do it, but I am fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like Svengali-ing all these weird onset dynamics. You would get in a fight with Shia. Oh, yeah. Or love him. one or the other. Maybe both, but if he was talking to you. Oh, no, I don't have a lot of tolerance for, yeah, I can just say it. Like, whatever your process is, fucking great. Handle that before you hear action. Handle that before we get called to set.

44:20I don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal because your character won't hold that pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that pan, come get me. Everybody's contributing, everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train. Right. It's a moving train. Exactly. And grow the fuck up. Yeah. You know, it's like just the director wants you to do so. If it's something crazy, okay, then hey, maybe that's too far, but be a collaborative. You can do whatever performance you want to do, holding the pan or not holding the pan. Yeah, exactly. How far into production was that little dust up?

45:00Oh, it was probably Midway. Everyone had moments with Shia that were, I think, at one point, going to come to blows or not. It's funny, the film industry, it attracts psychopaths because it's art, right? It's art and business and they kind of intersect. A lot of delusion and self-grandeur. And you have a desire to be observed. Yeah, so narcissism. Yeah, like low-grade narcissism up to maximum narcissism. Or just mentally ill, too. There's a lot of mental illness. True. There is. And in fact, there's a handful of kind of legendary actors where it's like, yeah, the performances are so good. They're so emotionally available.

45:39And they're unhinged. I'm not shocked. Like, I can't do what certain actors can do. I've never even gotten there in real life, much less on command. Exactly. And that's why they're so fascinating to watch. Yeah. So that's why some of the forgiveness for behavior, which I don't excuse, because when bad behavior is bad behavior, it's like, This is a place of work. The crew got to go home. Everyone wants to be happy. People deserve to be respected. It doesn't matter if you're picking up a piece of trash or if you're saying the lines or if you're holding the camera, everybody has the same respect, decency.

46:13So it's like when you start infringing on that as a place of work, that's when it gets tough for me because I'm like, beat it. Yeah. You know, no one's got tolerance for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, when you see that performance and you're like, holy shit, that's magnetic. that's really interesting to watch. Yeah. It is. It's a tricky. It is a hard, yeah, you can't really say hard and fast. It really comes down to like, how good is the person? I don't know, Sean Penn apparently is not a walk in the park. Yeah, like I've all met him personally and so I've always had a nice thing with him personally, but I've never worked with him.

46:46I know he's probably quite intense. I just happened to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. It was his own self-awareness. For him to do what he does, which I can't do, it's uncomfortable. for him. And when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best. Yeah. A lot of insecurity too, right? Comes with acting sometimes because people, they're so tormented and then they're so insecure about their performance or what they're doing. Then they overcompensate with this confidence or fake bravado. And then it's an ugly sort of cycle because you're like, hey man, just be nice and cool.

47:24Just be cool. Let's just all just be nice. And yeah, it's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action. And that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch. Let's all acknowledge. Yeah, it's a very vulnerable, embarrassing endeavor. How will we navigate it? Were you in love with Brad Pitt like I am? Oh, yeah. He's the best. Consummate pro. You're watching performances. You're lost watching them while it's happening. You're like, oh, I have a line coming up. Yeah. I'm just watching fucking this movie. It's so good. You can't. It's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it and just a total pro.

48:01Brad's great. Can I ask about your girlfriend? Sure. How long were you guys together? Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away? Yes. We were together for three or four years. This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Is her airbag went off and it was defective. Yeah. Yeah. I had a recall on the airbag and what would have been a fender bender. Probably most people would survive. Yeah, she was essentially shot by the airbag. Oh, my God. That's horrifying. And. So sad. How are you juggling what I would imagine, like, for me, if I were you at 28? That sounds about right.

48:46You just finished Fury. I was on another film set at the time. And as you know, being on a film set when someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually. I lost Paul Walker on Fury, and he was one of my close friends. When you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on. You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has an hour after you hear this. Yeah. So you can't fly home. You're stuck. You've got to work. I got the call actually during a filming day. And I think I did a classic defense mechanism, just punt that to later.

49:28Compartmentalize that to later. Yeah, that's going to be miserable. And we're going to deal with that at some point. That's not today. Yeah, brutal having to deal with that and then not being able to go through that. I grieved later. And that's not a great thing because I think you do want to grieve with the people that are around that you didn't know that were part of their lives as well. Yeah. That's like an important part of the grieving process. I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral and you think that's going to be miserable. It's like, no, you see all these people that are dealing with the same thing.

49:59It can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part. Yeah, I never got to do it. I think I compartmentalized it so much. I couldn't go to the, I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if I just completely blacked it out, but I had to process that grief later. That was tough. If I were you and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between I mean, having just done Fury, I'm on a set. Things are finally going great. And I would have been like, oh, right. Yeah, I don't get to have anything great. The other shoes drop. The shoe's going to drop and here it is.

50:29Do you have the kind of shoes going to always drop mentality? No, not anymore. Maybe with my parents a little bit because they're older. And that does scare me, being on a film set and having to deal with that. You know, I don't think people talk enough. Like, you know, you know, you could be in a hotel room across the globe. gets a lonely endeavor, right? It's not always people see on the thing and they go, well, that's amazing. Oh my gosh. But it's months sometimes of living out of a hotel room and it's like that. And then you combine what happens in real life because people die and pass and you miss things.

51:06It's tough. Yeah, the thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, A, it was so fun for a while. I just loved going out of town. I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that I don't have to deal with any of my problems for two months. Like that's all the upside. That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist and have roots and propel forward because I've hit pause. Yeah, you're missing people's birthdays, weddings.

51:42You're missing kids' graduation from high school. You're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll you pay for doing that and having this called fantasy pause thing. Yeah, yeah. But you do pay for it. Yeah, it's a very punctuated existence. And then there's like the slowdown too, which I find can be, if you're not careful and you don't stay, for me, I got to stay busy. I got to stay active. I got to stay moving and doing things. The heightness of being on set and everything's happening. go, go, go, go, go. Apparently, like you're pretending right now you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day.

52:17It's pretty heightened. Pretty heightened. Yeah. In this movie. Oh, in this movie. Yeah. Did you at all wrestle? Another thing that would have happened to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with because it was taken and I don't know where it was going to go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all? Yeah. I mean, losing somebody when you're that intimate with them and you think they're just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person, it's always tough.

53:01I have lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late, late teens. I've just lost a lot of people. Maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times. Yeah. I don't know if I answered that question. You did. I just think when relationships don't run their natural course, that's confusing. It's confusing. I probably put a wall up. Or they end not because of a reason you would have picked, but they had to end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind. Yeah. And will anyone ever be that? Yeah. Unfinished business. Maybe a little delusion about it, I think, as well.

53:38The mind's got, like, a very powerful way of remembering all the nice parts. Yeah, you're kind of forgetting. If I died, my wife will forget I clear my throat every nine minutes. In a year, she'll forget I did that. And she wants to kill you. Hasn't yet, but yeah. Or, no, really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it. I mean, that's what will happen. Yeah, she convinced herself she liked the throat Well, sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say like, I'm going to miss this one day. Yeah. So it's like good to remind yourself in those moments.

54:15I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I probably for years was like, that's not a thing. Yeah. But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience only summarized by it was an out-of-body experience with the people I have lost. Wow. Oh, wow. And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning on going there. You have to book her out because she's very in demand. But it is an incredible out-of-body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my past. Is the experience a joyful experience? Or is it more of a peace of mind experience?

55:02Like, oh, good. They're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway? Both of those things. It's highly emotional. It's most clear-headed, but also the most lucid you've ever been. It's hard to... Shrooms and coke at the same time? Zero. Nothing. No, no, I mean... Yeah, I know. Comparing the experiences. Yeah, yeah. More powerful than any drug. Whoa. And there's no drugs involved? Zero drugs. Zero drugs. And I feel always woo-woo like telling people about it. But I'm like, people have to understand. People have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're going to get you to go.

55:35Have you been to Bali? One time with my mom. Okay. I'd like to go as a grown-up big boy. You should go. Okay. I'd like to see your dad if you go. Oh, I would love that. I really would love that. If you want, I'll get to the contact. That's amazing. it's extremely powerful wow now that you said that I'm intrigued yeah yeah I want to apologize you get some peace and closure are you conversing or it's like more I mean maybe you can't even put it into words really you have to experience it okay wow that's incredible that's incredible I'm glad you got that it's a great lesson for people listening right that's like say the thing you want to say pick up the phone tell them you love them even if you're in a fight or pissed off they ain't gonna be around forever and that might be a regret yeah the math you don't do is like oh i'm gonna be living long after and i will live with all those decisions yeah okay this is just a full circle thing that i must acknowledge because i have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song wildest dreams is about me then we interview alexander skarsgård and i found out my god that song's actually about him Really?

56:45I mean, yeah, that's what that song is about. That's the lore. Did they date? Yes. They had a dust-up, like you and Shia. No. But it wasn't broken up by Brad Pitt. They had a happy dust-up, not a bad dust-up. Yeah, good dust-up, sexy dust-up. Yeah, she wrote a song about him. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised when you did the video, she didn't go, hey, by the way, you're playing Alexander Skarsgård, so if you can be as tall as possible, stand up a little bit more. He spoke very highly of her. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, what full circle? So I finally met who it was actually about.

57:17And now I'm meaning you, who was in the video. Who was in the video, yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me? Well, exactly. It seems like you're glaring on her. Because this song predates the video. I could figure that out. Yeah, busted. Although it could have been a romance, and she wrote a song about you, and then she cast you. Exactly. She did cast me. Are you here to break the news? Is this the moment? Is this the fire you want to play with? Quite the moment. It's almost the moment. But it's not quite. Okay, you let us know when you're ready. You recognize the stakes of that. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right?

57:42At the stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song written about you. That's right. You could. And you could have the Swifties love or hate you forever until the end of time. That's right. And if you take a red scarf or something, whatever the line is, you're enemy number one. Don't do that. How did you get that? She just picked up the phone and called me. She did. She did. And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank? Well, first off, she called. I had no pre-warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you. And then they call you. And you're like, okay, I'll take that call.

58:16She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift. It's like unknown number. What? Okay. Wow, what a call to prove it. That's so cool. Yeah, exactly. I might need to FaceTime. Yeah. I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video. Mostly too. She wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, right? It was like this cinematic film. The music industry, they don't do that anymore. It's not the 90s and we don't have these big sort of videos. There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that or afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents and none of them wanted me to, they were like, this is a bad idea.

58:56Do not do this. It didn't seem like a vertical step. No, they were like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, nah, you know, I don't agree. Think that she's cool and she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I think it's a cool creative thing. Yeah. Let's do it. Good for you. That would have been a regret. Did you hang with her on set and stuff? I did. And did you enjoy her company? She's amazing. She's a monster, man. I'm in awe of her. She's incredible. I love her so much. How many fasts have you done? Two? Three? I've been in two. You've been in two. Fast and Furiouses. Is there another one coming?

59:30So they say. Wow. That would be fast 11? Maybe fast 10 part dose. Oh, okay. Is that 11? Wait, you didn't meet Paul on that? No, I knew Paul since I was probably like when I was 18, 17, 18. From surfing? Surfing, jujitsu. We were just kind of brothers. He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother. He just was like a great mentor to me in the business, in life. We would go surf the Channel Islands together a lot. We would go down to Mexico and surf. And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for Fast. So it was very nostalgic. Yeah. That's lovely. What's that set like?

1:00:12Big. Yeah. A lot of personalities. Yeah, a lot of personalities. They've been doing it for like, what, 25, 30 years now? It's a very unique property. Very unique. Vin Diesel, no disrespect. He's an enormous movie star. I mean, probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey. Yet he's only in those movies. Those are his thing. He's in like a TV show. Episodic TV. Yes. Biggest. Every episode's a billion dollars. How lucky to get a job like that. One character for 30 years. I mean. You make like$500 million. Oh my God. Knock on wood. Yeah. That's coming. How do you do with all the alpha energy?

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1:04:19Okay, Lucky Strike. This is your second movie with this guy, Rod Lurie? Yeah, Rod Lurie. Tell me about him. Why is he making only war movies? You know, Rod started out in the 80s or 90s as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like The Contender, Nothing But The Truth. But these were movies at the time in the 90s. He really likes boxing, politics, and war. Those are, I think, like the three things, maybe football, right? So you'd tell what you know. At the time, he was put up for like one of these movies we're going to win an Oscar. Steven Spielberg was like, this is the guy. And, you know, he made some great movies.

1:04:57And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business. You go to jail for a minute. You go to director jail. Thank you for clarifying that. Like, he went to jail? He went to jail. Director jail is a little different. You were waiting in overlap when I was in there for the chips. Chips jail. You know, he stayed a great writer, and he's come back kind of as a director. And I worked with him on The Outpost, which is a good film. It was a big bummer because that film came out in 2020. Yeah. In March 2020. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oops. Oops. Yeah. And I remember actually, I was in Australia and I flew home because our movie got into South by Southwest and was premiering opening night.

1:05:39Yeah, baby. And it was a good movie. It was a good movie. True story. Two Medal of Honor winners. That in Afghanistan? Yep. Afghanistan. And we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding as you get off the plane. And it was like, the festival's canceled. And I was like, what do you mean the festival's canceled? That's insane. Why? They're like, what do you mean? Have you been living in Iraq? And I'm like, what do you mean? Yeah. And they're like, yeah, there's this thing called COVID. They shut it down. They shut it down. And it became a sleeper hit on VOD. It did.

1:06:12I really liked working with Rod. And actually, it was a funny story because I had done a few war movies. When he offered this movie, Lucky Strike, to me, he started with, it's a World War II. I said, let me stop you right there. I've done my tours. Yeah. Okay. I've done the Pacific. I did a tank movie in Europe. I've done Afghanistan now. I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I got to take a break. I'm not going to do any more war movies for a minute. And then he said, I think you should read it. And I said, no, no, I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best. Vaya con Dios. Please find the next guy who can do this.

1:06:48He'll do it better than I will. And then about three weeks go by and my agent calls me and says, hey, man, I think you should really read this Lucky Strike. It's really good. I said, really, I got to read this? Okay. I said, I'm going to read it and then I'm going to like it. And then what am I going to do? And I read it and it's great. Then you shipped off to, where'd you guys shoot that? We shot that in Bulgaria. Whoa. Bulgaria. Appropriate because it's about the Battle of the Bulge and we almost have Bulgaria in there. You like that? I did. Yeah, thank you. I made all that work. Alliteration with B and G.

1:07:21Yeah, so it's set in World War II, December 1944. The wars. It was coming to a close-ish. Coming to a close-ish. I mean, everyone was, I think, kind of like, this was the last push. We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter, which typically, I don't think even Ukraine and Russia are fighting. And those guys don't fight during winter. They don't even know it's winter. They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We got to keep going forward. It was just pre-Battle of the Bulge. It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out. And there was one sole survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days.

1:08:00And I don't want to give away too much. It's a true story, right? It is. Our producer, Mark Friedman, who's a lovely French guy who was living in France. He's older gentleman, but he was living there post-World War II. And he interviewed a bunch of guys. He was a writer. And he took down this account, this incredible account of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines on the French-Belgian border. I don't want to say too much. Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambushed and killed. And you have a radio. You have this. This is a Motorola. It's brand new, right? It's true. It was brand new technology for the time.

1:08:38And you call in and they go, great, we're also under heavy fire. Your extraction point or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles. And it's in the mountains in snow. Fucking World War II, dude. like even your clothes suck yeah I watched it last night and I'm like not good enough clothes to be fighting in the winter no we have Gore-Tex now we have all these waterproof you're just in like fucking cotton cotton just everything's wet just cold and wet you got half gloves on but those are useless was it freezing where you were actually shooting it was I had made a promise by the way to go back to why I told Rod, no, I'm not doing this movie.

1:09:25I made a promise I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially fucking winter. Yeah. Oh, God. You broke all your promises. I broke all my promises. Yeah. I don't even want to do a summer movie. Yeah, I think I'm probably good. Yeah. It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains, shooting, and it just was endure the suck, as they say. Yeah. Yeah. You're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit. You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing. More crawling. More cold. I did find silver lining. And you always do. Anytime you're telling stories where people died and sacrificed themselves for our country, it comes with like a heavier weight.

1:10:08And I also find that they might not be making World War II movies in 20 years from now. We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make them with. Everything is either broken. You can't find it. It's harder and harder to make these movies. So, you know, I'm like, OK, this might be the last time I ever do a World War II movie. Let's pay it some respect. Let's honor that. Yeah, let's honor that. I was thinking that a lot during that. I'm like, OK, 1944, 18 years away from it being 100 years. Oh, that's wild. And for me, World War II was very alive because both my grandpa, my mom's side was in the Battle of the Bulge.

1:10:43He ran Transmission Wire. My other grandpa was in the Pacific. So it was like World War II is a thing, dude. My grandparents were in it. They told me stories. I saw pictures, but certainly, yeah, no one now. Now it's going to be a war like we think of the Revolutionary War. We never met anyone from then. What? Is that even real? It's just in history books. So, yeah, I think you're right. I was having that thought. Like, I wonder how many more World War II movies there'll be before people are like, I don't know, that war was like a trillion years ago. Tough times and hard, hard people. I feel like we've gotten away from that because we have such good times in this country because of what they did.

1:11:19Well, I loved it. I watched it and I like a war movie, man. I spend the entire time going like, could I do what I do it? You're just evaluating the whole time. Like, yeah, what? I keep going. It looks hard. It's kind of unimaginable. Yeah. You've got a pretty sweet Sprinter van? I don't. You don't have that? No. I had a Airstream. Oh, you had an Airstream. I had an Airstream in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey. In Malibu? No. Oh. In Texas. Oh, in Texas. In Austin, Texas on Barton Springs. Oh, God. Not directly across from Black, but close. Close to Terry Black's. Yeah. Okay, I know it well, and I've eyed it like a dozen times to see if I'm trying to figure out if I could pull my tour bus in there if it's big enough for that.

1:12:02Were there any 45 footers in there? Mine was 33 feet. I know there was bigger tour buses in there. Okay. The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots. They do reserve that you can get in there. That's what I was looking at doing. Yeah. What is it, Monica? I'm obsessed with Barton Springs and Matthew McConaughey and automatic. And RV life seems like a problem. Yeah. All the things you just said. I was like. Yeah. I live at Barton Springs when I'm there. Do you love it? I do love it. It's a little busy for me. Okay. Where I would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake. They call it the river.

1:12:37Yeah. Lake Austin. Lake Austin. It's actually the Colorado River. That's right. So I would just go do that in the same water. Yeah. More or less. Well. It's a spring. It's always 69 degrees. It's true. There's a lot more to look at there. There is. It is actually, it is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late just because it's so packed sometimes. Burning Man? Yep. I saw some photos of Burning Man. Done that a few times. Yeah, how's that? I have great interest in going. Did you do it the like fancy way? That's what I would want to do. I've done it both. The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane.

1:13:14Yeah. Landing on the desert with a car right to your thing. Very cool. How do I get that experience? Can you hook me up with whoever you call? Done. You're in. Is that Taylor Swift? Does she have to call me? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if Taylor Swift's been. I'm going to guess no. And then you've done the tent version? Not the tent. Okay. But we did the drive-in. Like, hey, we're going to do the whole thing a whole week, which might have been a little ambitious. Might have been a little much burning, man. Yeah, what's the right dosage of Burning Man? Like three days? I think three days, but I think it's two nights.

1:13:49You leave end of third day. Perfect. Okay, good tip. Good tip. The real burners would like shoot me for saying that. Yo, I know there's a lot. Shoot away. And then jujitsu. How long have you been doing jujitsu? Man, since I was in my early 20s, 22, 23. Are you a black belt? I haven't got my black belt yet. You haven't got your black belt. Okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. It's a long time. Are you going to get it? Yeah, they're kind of asking. I've sort of dodged and weave. It's funny. It's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. And it's just like anything. You're like, you still feel like a beginner.

1:14:26No matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh man, that's just like a permission to still learn. And the guy I trained under for the last 20 years, Nelson Montiero, he's a coral belt. And he's 60 years old and he's ripped and he will fuck you up. And his name and his legacy, he wants only the best. Yeah. All these guys, any of the guys, the Machado brothers, any of these guys, it's the same thing. It's like, they're not going to give you something you haven't earned. Yeah. If you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good.

1:15:04Yeah. Is this how you broke your ankle before Outpost? No, no, I didn't. The drinking accident? I think that might have been a drinking accident Those are the best times I don't know what he's talking about Oh no, was it like a bird scooter? Is that what the I'm gonna let you guys And drive scooters around And they wake up and they need an MCL It happened to our friend She was drunk on a bird scooter So he's like, oh I've never been on a scooter Let's go 30 miles an hour For the first time, hammered it's a very common decision smart decision yeah how'd you break your ankle how did I break my ankle this is the most secret if you've been this whole interview this is our scoop how he broke his ankle a long time ago here's the thing about divulging too much about that his dad broke his ankle there we go there it is what were you gonna say that little incident shut down the movie for a while.

1:16:10But we got it back on track and we made the movie. That's what matters most. What matters is by the end of the movie you were able to run on it for a few scenes. For a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the director's vision. Did you fall off a staircase? Are there legal ramifications for telling us? There just might be. You are saying a lot. I'm not saying any of those things.

1:16:35How abstract. We've interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous and it varies. I'm being serious. Many of them are convinced they're not good looking. Sincerely. Famously, he told it on here, but like Bradley Cooper, when he got nominated for Sexiest, or not nominated, when he won Sexiest Man Alive. Won. He won. He won it. Fought and won. He really thought that there was like a bit afoot. Like, oh, there's a joke. They're fucking with me. Oh, wow. And I'm like, Cooper, How many girls need to want to fuck you before you recognize that that was like Warren's it? Yeah. What is your relationship with this being handsome?

1:17:17When people say it, I think I get uncomfortable. Yeah. It's called me handsome. Well, thank you. That's nice. But I also don't take compliments well. I noticed that. Yeah. My dad and I both don't take compliments well. We're like, OK, great. But we got to go to work. So thanks for all that. We're going to go make a movie. You're allergic to indulgence. Yeah. We don't do that. But there's a few different motivations for that. Like one is I don't feel worthy of that compliment. I don't connect with that compliment. Sure. Right. Sure. There is like it doesn't do anything for you. I don't feel better because you said this.

1:17:54Yeah. So it's kind of pointless. I guess because you can't control how you look. That's right. You can control how you affect people, what you put out there in the universe, whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff. I think if someone said, hey, I watched your movie. It really affected me. I lost a father or I connected with this. I felt some sort of thing. Yeah, whatever. Or made me laugh. Shit, who cares? That's more interesting to me. And I said, oh, my God, I'm so glad that affected you. I'm so glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than, hey, you're so...

1:18:34Yeah, because you're like, I didn't earn it. That's why I wanted to ask because I think it's complicated because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful, right? But you know, you know being famous, you're like a zoo animal. After a while, you're like, why is everybody looking at me? Oh, I forgot. I'm a famous person. You're like, yeah, it feels all right. You know, you're like, you don't quite just relax when you're in public because you're like, oh, shit, what if I say something and they're listening? You know, there's a lot of complicated... I always tell people, you know, everyone wants to be famous.

1:19:01You don't want to be famous. You want to be rich. Sure. Who doesn't want to be rich, you know, and not have to worry about where you're going to get your next sandwich from? Yeah. Yes. But being famous, that's not really. That's the famous Bill Murray quote. If you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I recommend the rich part. Yeah. You'd also already been disillusioned, let's be honest. 100%. Yeah. You'd already watched in your home the impact of that. Yeah, saw the bullshit. My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without a hundred people coming up to him. He's very gracious.

1:19:33But at the same time, it does wear on you at some point. Because you're like, hey, I'm having a meal with my family. There's a price you pay. Like you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it. Also, you know, you kind of look like it hit me a few times in the movie last night. And then it hit me. It's hitting me here on the couch. Let's say it on three. Oh, that would be fun. Will you count to three? Three, two, one. Then we say it. Oh, okay. Okay. Three, two, one. Anthony Starr. Oh. Wait, we didn't even get yours. Mine was Taron Egerton. Taron Egerton. I think you look a lot like him.

1:20:05Okay. Both are very right here. Who'd you say? I said Anthony Starr. Tony Starr from The Boys. Homelander. Oh, do you get that? Have you ever gotten Homelander? No. Do you watch The Boys? I do watch The Boys. I watched it, yeah. Fucking great, right? You don't get either of these. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a talented motherfucker. He's a bad one. he's Homelander the big Superman character the big bad guy the big bad one well Scott this has been a blast I love Lucky Strike if you love horror movies you're gonna fucking love this it comes out June 26 nationwide and I guess did you travel here for this or are you on a little tour I'm doing a bunch of stuff yeah I've gotta leave the east coast to go do press and make my rounds okay well it was a delight to meet you yeah thanks for coming this has been great good luck with the movie and we'll see you again when you do fast 11.

1:20:54I brought you guys some stuff. What? You don't strike me as the kind of guy that would bring something. No, no, no. We've got this supplement company. Oh. I got you guys both things. Oh, no. Oh, what does this supplement do for me? Obviously. Well, it's an all-in-one. Oh, I love it. North Performance. Why North Performance? It's find your North. Oh, okay. Like your North Star? Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements and my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it and was like let's make it all in one. Oh you got creatine in this bit. Oh I love creatine. So you can get everything you know you don't forget you're like okay one thing in the morning and then you're like hit your foundation.

1:21:36Nice. I don't see Tessa Morlin in here or Ipamorlin or SS31 or testosterone. Where are those? Those you gotta inject my friend. He knows. He's doing it. Amazing. Thanks brother. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. Here we are. Welcome home. Back in the attic. Is there a famous Welcome Home song? Welcome home. Welcome home. That's our cure-all song. That's right. There's that Edward Sharp home song. How's that one go, Waddy? Oh, I love that song. I don't sing either. That's my naive melody, my favorite song of all time, Talking Heads.

1:22:30Which, by the way, this is fresh off the press. This is a couple hours old. Driving the kids to school this morning. Yeah. And there is a new version of my very favorite song. This must be the place by the Talking Heads. It's by Sure Sure. Can I play you two seconds of it? It's an exciting version of it.

1:22:53Ooh. Ooh.

1:23:17I like that. I like it. Right? I mean, to me, you're really taking, you're like, you're rewriting the Bible. For me on this one, you're remaking Godfather. This is a dangerous endeavor and they passed my test. It's very playful. Incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes off. I don't want to bore everyone with the entire song, but boy, does it take off the playfulness. Exciting. I just ordered Calvin a banner that says this must be the place yesterday for his bedroom. It's like a big camping banner. Oh, Wabi. What's a camping banner? Like your camp. A flag? It's like a flag. Okay. Cute.

1:23:54Cute. Like you declare like Camp Rascal. Like that's the division. That is Rob's camp. Of course it is. Camp Rascal. Camp Rascal. Do you want to tell people about your pants? Speaking of Rascal. I mean, I think you would be way better off describing my pants. Okay. So you bought some pants. They're out there. And you've made an alteration yourself. I thought these pants were going to be like thin summer linen-y pants. Okay. And when they came, they were so voluminous around the haunches and then up like mid-calf at the end. They were crazy looking. I put these on. I was like, what do we do with these?

1:24:33And I had spent a good deal of money on them. Sure. So they were sitting, right, as they do with things I spend a lot of money on and I can't accept that I'm never going to wear them. Yeah. And then I think on Friday I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at. Yeah. And I did that and then I wore them all day Friday and I just love how they feel. And they're either hideous looking on me or they work. I can't tell. No, I actually don't think it's either. Either or. Oh, OK. Because they're not hideous. OK. And of course they work. They. Well, I mean, yes, they're covering my genitals.

1:25:09Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they are intriguing. They're one offs. I mean, they're an original. They are because they hit you at about. Let me stand up. They're like culottes. Let me stand up. Let's get a real. Let's not guess. Okay. So it's about, what, four inches below the knee? Five inches? Yeah. But it's definitely two-thirds of the way up the calf and shin. Right. Maybe even three-quarters of the way up. You know what you're doing? What? You're being Brad Pitt. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it. You said, oh, I'm going to be wearing skirts. I'm going to be wearing skirts here in a minute.

1:25:45And that's it. You're right. I'm inching towards. Wow. I could, in fact, just have these seams opened up and maybe have them joined. Yeah, make a skirt. And have my first skirt. Oh. Okay. Cute. Okay. Wow. This might be the first iteration of this karma. I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works for a skirt. They're comfortable as all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these. That's good. I slept in these last night, if you got to know the full truth. Sure. Sure. And then I woke up and I ran out of time. Look, I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school.

1:26:19And when I got out of the car, I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self-conscious about this outfit? That's very Brad pity. Yeah. It's pity. Real pity. And then I ran into my good friend Scott Schaefer, who was an AD on Parenthood, a great AD, and now is head of physical production at HBO. Cool. A, I just love seeing him because we were good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at HBO, which is fun behind the curtain. But I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happened. God damn it. Now we're here. Yeah. What's wrong? Okay. Back up. I have the new goal of waking up at 5.50 in the morning so I can write for two hours before I drop the kids off at school.

1:27:03Well, I woke up at 4.50 and I was kind of fucked. I'm like, what am I going to now stay up till 4.50? And I knew we had a long day. So then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which means I didn't wake up till seven, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation. So I pretty much ran out the door. I hadn't even looked in the mirror and I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott. I'm like, I look like a bozo. I look like a circus clown. That's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies. Oh, my God. I looked in the rearview mirror as I got like I was like, fucking A, I had sleepies.

1:27:38sleepies all poor scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit and i had sleepies he must have been grossed out no he wasn't he must have thought i was a unhoused no he thought you he thought you were sleepy that's what sleepies mean i got in that car and i was looking in there and i white oh fuck i had a sleepy on my left and then i was like oh my god i'm on the right eye too was it Really yellow? No, it wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where like the folds of my chubby eyelids would be. It was like a little crust. But why crust? It wasn't so gross as just that's crust.

1:28:18No, it's. Oh, my God. People are going to stop listening. You're going to have to at some point. No, it's fine. Between the shitty my pants. It's an audio podcast. They can't see your crust. But at some point, are they like, you know, this guy's disgusting. No. Okay. Well, that's what happened this morning. You're not disgusting. I was a little embarrassed. Oh, I'm sorry that happened. It's okay. You weren't going to tell us that. You were keeping that. I had no intention of telling anyone that. That would have been something that never came up. Why? Because you thought you might cry? It would just be my quiet shame.

1:28:47I don't know. But it's out there. It came up. Let's talk about the fact that you're home from your European vacation. And massage. And people are not going to. And massage. They're not going to be cool with us not asking an update because our last fact check ended with heavy speculation. That's right. And heavy encouragement. You have a ring on your finger? Yep. I am not engaged. Oh, my. This is a huge development. I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing, Rob. It's a beautiful ring. Chanel. Oh, my God. Shout out to Chanel. I bought it myself. It was not by my massage therapist. Okay. But I will give an update on that.

1:29:31Please, please, please, please. Can I suggest that you start on, say, Saturday? Because you've now told Molly, Amy, and Kristen that you're seeing him. And they've all had massages by him. Right. I mean, I get. Sure. They arranged it. Yes. Because they've had these massages. They believe it was a life changing massage. Medicinals. And so now they're starting to get really excited for you as the appointment closes. And I want to point out that so much hype started building that you went into it, I would imagine, with the mindset of like, isn't this going to be terrible compared to I think that's important.

1:30:10Yes, it was very hyped up, but it's been hyped up for years. And then, yeah, I'm going in. I'm like, OK, well, really, I think I was looking for it to disappoint. Okay. Like, I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing. So then, well, I didn't tell the girls this. I said it on here, right, that he told me that it was early in his experience when he massaged them. But he has since ratcheted up his performance. Oh, my God. And I didn't tell them that. You don't want them to feel like they got a bunk version. Yeah, but they did. Okay. Because then. We already know that he looked you up on Instagram from the previous.

1:30:52Yes. Yes. He looked me up on Instagram and we know that because last episode you made a joke about the oil. Do I bring a lot of oil or not a lot of oil? I'm just wondering how much oil to bring. Bust oil to bring. And then I said, well, he's looked at my Instagram, so I think he knows. Okay. So massage was Sunday. So Saturday, he said, tomorrow's the day. Oh, yeah. Foreplay. Uh-huh. And I was like, oh, yay. You know, I'm so excited. And so he sends me his address. So that is at his home. Yeah. It's his home, but it's his studio. Sure. I'm not taking anything away from his home. It's just, it's not a brick and mortar storefront.

1:31:27No. Yeah. Yeah. It's a residence. I arrived at a residence. Okay. Yes. And I was early. Oh. I text him. I'm early. No rush, though. I'll just be standing outside the door. Standing. So then he opens the door. He says, voila. Oh, my God. That's how he greeted you? No, actually, I don't remember. Okay. He said something. He had some bed head. Oh, interesting. But it looked good on him? Yeah. Yeah. This guy's got it made it. I was like, he's hot. Okay. Yeah. He is hot. Okay. They were right. Yeah. He's objectively hot. Yeah. But also like in a French way, like bed head, like then I come in, he picks out my shoes for me, like my little sandals.

1:32:11Oh, okay. Okay. Because you got to transfer from your street shoes. Yes. Okay. He sits me down on the couch. There's all these oils in front of me. And then he's just like wants to chat for a little bit. Great. So then we're chatting. He's asking about my vacation. You know, normal. Oh, general. Okay. Get to know your stuff. Yeah. He asks about Kristen. Sure. Updates. Yeah. He asks what I do. So whatever. We're chit-chatting. And I'm feeling so on edge a little bit. Okay. Then it makes me pick out my oils. Okay. I pick a body oil and then also a scent oil. Sure. Lavender? I picked lavender for my body and then this like kind of woodsy one.

1:32:54Oh, smoky. Okay. Whiskey. Woods. Okay. He doesn't speak great English. Which is kind of great. Yeah. Yeah. So then he leads me into this other room, the sauna. Okay. That's in his home. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of his studio. No, I know. I know. I know. I'm not being demeaning to him. No, I know you're not. I'm just telling you. How big is the sauna? Big. It's infrared. I help him learn the word infrared. Great. We go in there. Now both people are getting something out of this experience, which is great. He says 20 minutes in the sauna and then you'll shower. There's a shower. Oh, my God. In front of the cameras.

1:33:30And I said, okay, do I wear this? So there's a robe hanging. Yeah. And I said, do I wear this robe? And he said, no. Like he like really hated the idea of me wearing the robe. Oh, my God. In the sauna. Yes. Yes, of course. And so I said, oh, okay, yeah. And he said, nude. Like he kept saying nude. He doesn't say naked. Yeah. That's, I guess, an American word. And I said, okay. And then he said, you can wear this. And there's this like little kind of paper underwear. Okay. If you want to wear this, you can wear this. And he said, and then you'll put on the robe. Right. You can wear this underwear if you want, but it's better if you're nude.

1:34:07Yes. Yes, of course. Does he stay in the room? No. Okay. No. Okay. Okay. I think he sensed that maybe I was a little hmm about the nudity. Yeah. So he said, you'll be covered with a towel the whole time. I was like, OK, great. At this point, I'm like, I'm just going to have to surrender to this experience because I will say when he texted me tomorrow is the day. Yeah. I thought, is there a world in which Kristen has told him to have sex with me? Oh, right. And I really did not like that. A charity case? Yeah. I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case. Yeah. And so, and also it was just like, no, like I don't want that.

1:34:49I'm making the decisions. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So I had some fear about that. So I went in being like, I need to make it pretty clear. I'm not interested in that. Yeah. Right. So anyway, he leaves the room. I get into the sauna and it's really nice. Yeah. And then I get in the shower and then I was confused about the shower because I'm like, do I wash my hair? I thought he was going to do some hair play and I don't want my hair to be wet during hair play. Of course. So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it. And I wash my body and then I put on the robe and I put some makeup on my perfume.

1:35:24No, you're in the opposite headspace. It's so obvious you weren't in that headspace. This is why I made that joke. Things do take a turn. So then I go in. I go in. Oh, he asked me, he says, do you want the music with lyrics or without? OK, great. And I was like, I don't know. You don't have a preference. Yeah. What do you think? It's my first time. In your apartment? Reminding everyone that he has referred to this as an experience many times. He was like, this is an experience. Like sometimes people cry and feel free to have all the emotions you're going to have. OK. OK. So then I pick with lyrics.

1:36:04OK, good. Go in. he tells me to lay down and put the towel on. And I look and like, in American massages, you get under a sheet. That's right. And it's like really covering your whole body. You slide under that sheet. Yeah, like some Brooklyn. A beautiful Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah. This was not that. It was a towel. Yeah, that you had just dried off or a new towel? A new towel. Okay. But it's, you know, a towel doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table. It's just covering my body. Comes in, turns on the music. It smells so good. That woodsy oil smells lovely. And then he starts and it was.

1:36:46Is it instantaneously connected and hot and lovely? Yeah. It is. But he pulls the towel down. And does he go down all the way past your butt? Yes. Right out of the gates? Yes. So your whole back is totally exposed. Yes. Oh my gosh. Okay. And I was like, okay. Okay, here we go. Let's go. Buckle up. And he does like, he massages sort of to the music. It was so, so sensual. Oh my gosh. I mean, extremely. Wow. And he massaged everything except my pussy pachydermis. Okay. But he's close. Cheeks, dizzy. How close is he getting to your anus? My butthole? Yes. I wasn't like, oh, his finger is touching my butthole.

1:37:42Right, okay, good. But all the whole thing. Well, so the back's the back. The back's the back. You can only get so crazy. Yeah. Now. Now it's time to flip. Oh, okay. So he whispers to turn over. Oh, okay. And I do. And there's multiple seconds before the towel comes back down on me. Oh, Rob. What's your heart rate at right now, Rob? He's just staring. Oh my God. And does he make eye contact with you? Well, my eyes are closed. Okay. You can just feel that he's staring. It's not like you flipped and he walked to another side of the room. No, no, no. He lifted the towel. So you could roll over. Yep.

1:38:25All the way on your back. What I'm used to with the flip. They stay on the side. They lift the towel. They're on the side and they're like keeping the towel still pretty, I mean, the sheet still very close to the. So you're kind of squirming to get over. This is not that. The towel comes up. Right. You flip over. Out in the open, I flip over and then I'm there for some time before the towel comes back on. How long do you think? Five full seconds? Four to five. One, 1 ,000, two, 1 ,000, three, 1 ,000, four, 1 ,000, five. Wow. What's happening at your titillation meter? Just being bare nude in front of him, knowing he's just enjoying the show.

1:39:02Well, at that time, since it was like halfway through. You're warmed up. Yeah. Yeah. You were in no hurry for him to speak. I wasn't. It was fascinating. That's very erotic. It was incredibly erotic. Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude might be more erotic and exciting than even like touching in the middle of kissing. This is such a weird thing to say, but I feel like we had sex. Right. I really do. Because of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust. It was so intimate. it. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. We are supported by HP. If you're a parent or you know one like I do, or you can help take care of kids, you already know what August feels like.

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1:41:02There was one thing he did. I was facing up he was put his hands under my back and lifts you up a little bit yeah yeah so you're arching yeah oh my goodness but your breasts are now being out jutted out everything's out right and as he pulls your back up they're now shooting out right like you're am i understanding this right like he's kind of rolling your spine yes it was like what you would do during sex it's The sexual move. Yeah, yeah. He did not touch my vagina. I would be very clear about that. Great. Now tell me about the breast portion. Yeah, he. He was rubbing your breasts. Yes. Over the nipples and everything.

1:41:42Yes. Oh, my God. Does he do men's massage? I don't know if he's ever done a man. I don't know how. I need it. Did you feel like you might climax during any of this? You were too afraid to go like, fuck it. Let's go for it. Let's embrace it and actually try to climax. You weren't willing to do that. No. Could you have climaxed? I guess that's the question. My body was ready for it. Ready, yeah, yeah. Yes. That's all I can, that's all I feel comfortable saying. Sure. It's very hard to explain. It was like if something actually crossed the line, it would have ruined it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel you.

1:42:24I got you, yeah. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and appropriate. I mean, you were on the other side of appropriate, but not like whatever your bottom line was. Exactly. Also, if anyone has the opportunity, I would say you take it. Don't miss it. I'm going to send my mom to him. Your mom would love it. I know. I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I'd love to believe he's just like a spreader of joy and eroticism. Sure. And that he would give my mother that same. Yeah. But he wouldn't. Well, he would. No, he certainly wanted to date you.

1:42:58Well, he said after. He said, you have a perfect body. Wow.

1:43:07And I was glad he said it after. Yes. Yes. And not during. Right. It was once I had my robe back on and we were out of the room. Yes. And then, am I right that he asked what you were doing? Yeah. But I think that. You think that was just innocuous? Yeah. What do you think, Rob? He asked what I was doing later that night. Directly after he said you had a perfect body? No, it was a little, it was like a couple minutes after. Yeah, Rob, that was a request for a date. Yeah, it sounds like it. Once he said I had a perfect body, I was incredibly flattered. Yeah. I was. You were on floating. I was already.

1:43:49A mess.

1:43:55Yeah. And so then he said that and I was like, I got to go. I got to go. Like I got to go. Right. Yeah. Wow. This is this is one of the best stories I've ever heard on this show. It was a big day. It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boobs was so clearly a joke. And then so when that was a real thing happening, I was like, I can't believe. This is actually happening right now. That he did need to bring a certain volume of oil. Exactly. Okay, so here's what I thought might happen. So you were very clear on all your things and then you left and it was perfect. It was perfect. My prediction, and it wasn't like a 70%, I wouldn't have bet, like if I was doing odds in Vegas, I had a 30 % thought that you're going to have like a full half day to marinate on the post kind of euphoria of it all.

1:44:55And then you go to dinner and you'd be drinking a glass of wine. And then he'd reach out and he'd say like, how are you feeling after your experience? And then I thought there's a 30 % chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening. Right. Did he reach out that evening? He reached out, but it wasn't that evening. It was later, but it wasn't like late. Okay. And it wasn't while you were having a glass of wine. No. Perfect text. I didn't want that. I know. I know you didn't. I believe you a thousand percent. I just think it's hard for you to understand that. As a yes. Yeah. I won't even say as a guy.

1:45:29As me. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So the fact that after all the hype, the buildup, it was everything they said and then beyond that. And I will say I asked him, how long have you been doing this? And he said this three years, massage 17 years. Wow. So when he said he is doing something different, he is doing something different. Yes. Yeah. I did think, though, like if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience. Yeah. It would have, I think, felt like. I just cheated. A little. it really does like it's like oh i'm oh i'm awake right i'm online yeah wow what a guy it was something it was something i was not expecting to be able to report all of that back i thought it would just be like yeah it was like a little hyped up but it was great i expected it to be like an incredible massage but this it wasn't that it was an experience by god it did cross my i gotta tell you because i'm so protective of you yeah the only thing i thought is like, okay, so 30 % chance some wine happens.

1:46:42You're not on the pill anymore. Oh, I know. That's what crossed my mind. Are you going to come home right now with this guy's kid? Luckily, abortion is legal in California. That's true. That's true. But see, that's why abortion should be legal. Because if they need to go to have this. I'm sorry, your massage therapist. No, at that point, it's a masseuse. No. Yeah, because what they don't like is that masseuses imply some kind of sexual flavors. So if he did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call him a masseuse. And I was like, culturally, this is so interesting. Like, what if it just feels so erotic?

1:47:18Yeah, what if it's standard? Because it's French. I know. Incredible story. Incredible story. Okay. Now, ding, ding, ding. We mentioned Six Flags in this episode. Six Flags, New Jersey, because that's where she's from. Six Flags, Great Adventure. And that is a ding, ding, ding, because we just brought that up on another fact check. About the roller coasters. Yes. Biggest roller coaster is there. Okay. Pros and cons to coffee. It has a lot of nutrients. The coffee beans do. Vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus, lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake.

1:48:03But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants. In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined. Whoa. Yeah. That's the only place I'm getting my antioxidants. I know. I haven't had a vegetable in a while. I know. I did think like you're not even seeing it in its peak form. You're seeing it after a food orgy over the last 10 days. Exactly. Okay. Caffeine, a stimulant that can enhance brain function and boost metabolism, may protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Oh, it says coffee niggers have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes, lower risk of liver diseases, low risk of depression and suicide.

1:48:48And this fact check was brought to you on the American Council of Coffee. Okay, but then it says coffee can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep. Yeah, we can live with that. So addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal. Oh, yeah. Who cares? Just keep having the coffee. It's not like you can't get your hands on a cup of coffee. Exactly. Yeah. I guess if you add a lot of sugar, that's bad. Yes, of course. But this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee. That's right. Yeah. Anyway, it sounds like a lot of pros. Yeah. Which is good. I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it. Okay. Cold water versus room temp water.

1:49:24I'm always told the Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water. I don't think it's about Chinese. That's what I'm always told. Oh, my God, it is. Okay. All water is good. Dr. Jill Blakeway, a licensed and board certified doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and founder and clinical herbalist at Yanova, says cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day and a good choice after exercise. Okay. So drinking warm water may be better in some instances, whereas drinking cold water might also be more beneficial. It says room temp water can make you less thirsty. cold water is beneficial after a workout room temp aids in digestion in chinese medicine you're right in chinese medicine we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the digestive system drinking cold water can congeal the fats and food and because of that can make the digestive system sluggish well look this i think we can say without getting into too much hot water ding ding ding different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues yes kind of pandemically yeah warm water improves circulation and can relax muscles which combat constipation and abdominal cramping cold water can stuff up your sinuses room temp water boost metabolism because it increases your overall body temperature cool okay that's enough yeah Does scoliosis skip generations?

1:50:49Is scoliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that scoliosis runs in families, but no direct evidence has been found. Also, nearly a third of patients with adolescent idiopathic scoliosis have a family history of the condition. Only a third. So, yeah. That's not huge. And that's from the Scoliosis Institute. Okay. She went to a good college and she says it's one of the seven sisters. And I didn't know what that was. And I felt like a bad unifile. I don't either. Okay. The Seven Sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the northeastern U.S.

1:51:24that are historically women's colleges. Okay. Barnard, Bryn Mawr, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassar. Vassar College is currently a coeducational college and Radcliffe College was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard College. Oh, wow. Okay. I only knew two of those. I knew. Vosser and Barnyard. Barnyard. You knew Wellesley, right? Oh, yes. I think that might have been in Catcher in the Rye. And Smith I knew. But I didn't know. Well, Bryn Mawr I think is where she went. Okay, now we know it. Now we know. I didn't know Mount Holyoke. Nope, still don't. These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to the traditional male Ivy League colleges.

1:52:10It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay. The New York Times article about the indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder. It's called, quote, friending bias. OK. And it was in August of this year. A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids outcomes and gives them a better shot at rising out of poverty. That's what's cool about our kids school. It is very cool. Yeah, it's half-haves and half-have-nots. Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay.

1:52:50You said when traders have wins, they get a bump in testosterone. Right. So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day. Oh, wow. So the testosterone affects the outcome in some ways, weirdly. But I couldn't find the reverse. Okay. Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen? Yes, but the percentage is - Lower than males. Yes. But what's interesting is we think of estrogen as being the female hormone and testosterone being the male hormone.

1:53:31And obviously there's a big difference. But I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen. Yeah, we learned that in our fertility podcast. Oh, you did? I learned it on Huberman talking to Peter Othiel. Yeah, it was with Huberman. Oh, okay. It depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot, I think. Self-diagnosed, like my sad.

1:53:54Testosterone is the big opponent of fertility in men. So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it if you want to have kids. It destroys your fertility. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, the rate of opiate addiction in vets while in Vietnam is 30%. They come home and 4 % remain addicted. That's the numbers? That's what you said. Oh, okay. I've lost complete faith in those guesses. There's this huge publication I found, and there's a table in here. You're definitely right. Let's just say you're definitely right that the number goes drastically down.

1:54:31There's a staggering drop off when they return. Once they come back. But I'll read some of this because I have it broken down to any narcotic use, any heroin use, narcotics more than weekly for a month or more, addicted to narcotics at any period, urine positive for narcotics. Okay. So let's just use any narcotic use. 10 % since return. Okay. And 43 % in Vietnam. Okay. And 11 % before Vietnam. That's really weird. It came down. It came down after. Wow. Yeah. But yeah, 43 % narcotic use. Yeah. That's a lot. A lot. Two out of every five. Okay. I have a surprise. It's not really a surprise because you told me to look it up.

1:55:14Although it is a surprise because I've forgotten.

1:55:20You have the best speakers I've ever heard on a Mac. Really? It's so loud. The traffic. I can't read that. The boss. The baby. The dog. That does it. Oh, God. Take me away. Loose your kids. Look at that bathtub.

1:55:41She's in a 6 ,000 gallon circular bathtub in Roman pillars.

1:55:54They were one sentence away from saying have an orgasm in the bathtub. It's kind of ding, ding, ding in my massage. Very ding, ding, ding. They're promising that that Calgon can give you the experience you got in that man's apartment. Good luck, Calgon. Oh, no. You lost something. You lost the whole document. No, what happened? Well, I would imagine it'd die after the volume of the. All my tabs went away. Oh. I don't think I have very many left, but. Did your Chrome crash? Sometimes if you reopen it, it says reopen tabs. I know, but it didn't. You guys both use Chrome? Yeah. You should use Chrome.

1:56:34It's good. Fuck. sign that you're a good employee that's right that's right was it Chrome though? yeah because Safari comes default on Apple and Chrome you've got to add and Windows Explorer is the default browser Internet Explorer I think is discontinued now I think Firefox oh Firefox yeah that was the most best employee wasn't it? Firefox? Chrome Chrome. I just like it because it integrates with Google. Everything right. Fuck. Okay. I'll start using it. Just use it. It's always begging me when I open Gmail to switch over. Do you think maybe you're not using it because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore.

1:57:17No. No, I don't. It's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple suite of products. Safari's good. Safari's good. You know what's cool about Chrome? Tell me. I could pull up my history. Oh, well, you can do that on Safari. Yes, of course. You can't. You can do that on AOL. No. That's OG shit right there. Definitely. It's Chrome. I just want to earmark out loud, but on a next fact check, because this one's been so wonderfully good and long. Yeah. But just want to earmark that I have a grievance to air. Oh, my. Got outraged you. So just speaking of that, while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't in formula one oh what because they say regularly like the spanish driver because it's an international sport and all these guys are from different countries yeah so they'll say like carlos signs like oh the spanish driver is you know running they'll refer to their nationality a lot oh i see but when they say the mexican driver because perez is from Mexico, it just feels racist.

1:58:28That's right. And the other one is Zhou Granu. He's from China. And when they say the Chinese driver, especially if he's like he's spun out or something and they'll say like, oh, the Chinese driver went wide. It's deeply racist, but it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationality. But for some reason, when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver. There's a reason. It's because in America, we do that to those nationalities. Well, you just rarely hear someone saying this Mexican. It's never positive after someone. That's what I'm saying. That's very American, though.

1:59:04Always I'm like, oh, Chinese driver. Why did they just say that? It's good that you have that reaction. I like that. OK, hold on. The history is not going as well as I wanted it to be. As good as you remembered it to be on Chrome? I might be thinking of Safari. No. Okay. I found it. Okay. So the question is, is America's GDP, is the Wall Street... I'm so sorry, I'm pretty jet-lagged. Of course. Does it look like I'm getting frustrated? No, I'm frustrated with myself because I can't talk right now. What do you think about this reframing? I kind of like it. I've heard that it's a good idea. I know you're aware of it.

1:59:51Instead of saying, I'm sorry, I blank, say, thanks for your patience. Oh, that's nice. Thanks for your patience. Yeah, no problem. You don't owe me an apology. I don't know why that's a thing. I just know intuitively I like it. Like instead of coming in and going like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'm like, oh, my God, thank you for your patience. Right. You feel like it's taking less responsibility? A little. Yeah. A little. because like I am sorry if I'm making mistakes. Well, you don't need to be because I'm not upset. I think it's for more mundane things that you're not supposed to over apologize because I've heard that too.

2:00:28Like this is a thing I would love to help Blinken get over. She says I'm sorry so much and drives me crazy because I'm like, you don't need to be sorry. She does say it as, she almost says it. It's a default. Yeah. Like when we're playing soccer and she doesn't kick it perfectly to me. I know. And I'm like, baby, you don't need to be like, this is part of the deal. But do you know what she's doing? She's doing what I just did. She's saying I'm sorry to herself And that's what I In so many words I said to her It's okay for you To have a goal for yourself Yeah That you might even want to say like I know I can do better to yourself But you don't owe me anything Yeah it's almost like a tick I don't have an expectation of you being perfect At passing a soccer ball 300 times Right So you don't owe me an apology Because I had There's been no unsaid contract That that's what I expect from you Yeah Yeah.

2:01:15It's totally dependent on the scenario. I think it's courteous to say, I'm sorry if you've impacted somebody. Yeah. OK. The percentage of America's GDP, that's Wall Street. Oh, finance. In 1970, the finance insurance industry has accounted for four point two percent of U.S. GDP, up from two point eight percent in 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6. The story with profits is similar. In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24 % of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37%, despite the after effects of the financial crisis.

2:01:56Wow. Yeah. So 30%. 37? Wow. In 2013. Yeah. So it could be more. That's why people should be critical of the finance industry. But the notion that we should get rid of it or totally. Well, that's how this came up. Yeah. Yeah. Is like it's naive. You can't really talk about getting rid of any industry that's 30 percent of our GDP without. I don't think. Humongous, colossal collapse of many systems and. I know. People's life. Yes. I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all. But I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work. Right, right, right. Nor do I think we should be held hostage by any industry.

2:02:40That's not what I'm saying. I'm talking to the people that are like dismantle Wall Street. Totally. No private banking. No, I agree. It's a cornerstone of our overall economy. Yeah. And really, it's all England is now. They stopped manufacturing. They have some luxury goods. They have Burberry. That's a luxury good. We're very trench Okay that's all for today Okay Now we have an Easter egg for next fact check Which is always exciting Love you thank you for that great story You're welcome

2:03:21Thank you.