Taron Egerton

23:45I was still too worried about my currency as a leading man. I was still too worried about being rejected by women. and all of those things. But I've found that work in terms of actively engaging with the parts of myself that I don't naturally feel that great about and aggressively loving them, for better phrase, has been quite transformative in my life. Do you know Phil Stutz? I mean, do you know of him? So Barry Michaels is my shrink. Are they colleagues? Yes, they're co-writers. Oh, okay. So look around your shoulder there. You see that little drawing? that's phil that drawing for us i didn't know he'd been on the show yeah so okay so about four years ago i was in the warlands i was making a movie called carry on and i was sat in my apartment right movie flicking through netflix thank you and i saw a documentary called starts the jonah hill the jonah hill made movie and i love jonah hill and i thought there was something that looked interesting and different about it and i put it on and something about it really spoke to me.

24:49Something about him really spoke to me and something about Jonah Hill's candor and vulnerability and willingness to pull all of his baggage for want of a better word front and center. And I still don't know why, but I text my lawyer of all people. I WhatsApp my lawyer. I don't know why I did this. Your concierge lawyer. My entertainment company. It was so weird. He's somebody that I have a friendship with but i'm not in the habit of sending him what i sent him which was a quote from the movie saying how extraordinary is this as a soundbite he sent me a message back immediately saying phil stutz's practice partner is my shrink and i could see if he will see you and what started was a relationship with barry michaels who he co-wrote the tools with and he co-wrote coming alive with and barry changed my life for me it's the most poignant beautiful moment of the documentary they show this picture of jonah that is virtually his shadow right it's everything he thinks is bad about him yeah it's little him and he's he's overweight and all these things and phil says he wants you to take him along and let him experience this with you and that fucking touched me in a way nothing ever has where i was like this kid i'm trying to hide man He deserves to come to the party and I got to be proud of him.

26:20Yeah. And I just found that very powerful. Is that one of the moments? I find it moving, even as you're saying it. And it's been at the core of all the work I've done over the past few years. It really has changed my life in so many ways. And I don't always succeed, but I really try and bring that incredibly awkward, high pitched voiced kid with hair over his eye, schlubby, overweight. This year I realized that I round my shoulders because I'm still hiding the weight I carried on my chest when I was like 15. Wow. Yeah, it's wild. It's like muscle memory. It is. It's so ingrained. Bad kind of muscle memory.

27:01Bad muscle memory. But there's also something really thrilling and exciting and then makes you feel very whole about learning things about yourself. And, you know, I don't know that everyone benefits from that kind of wisdom. And it's such a gift. And it's been an amazing thing for me. You also have to know the things in order to say, I don't need that anymore. That's not serving me anymore. Totally. But if you don't know them, if you're not doing the work to know like, oh, wow, I round my shoulders and it's because of this. If you don't know it, then you can't get past. You'll never get past this.

27:31You can fix it. Yeah. That moment you talk about in that doc with the photo that's emblematic of Jonah's shadow. It's so fucking hard to love that person. It takes a lot of work. It doesn't just go, okay, I'm going to love that person now. And it's like a process of attrition. Because to begin with, if I don't manage the relationship with myself well enough, that part of myself makes me feel ill. You know, like I hate that part of myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It robs you of everything in the present. Yeah. Barry, I don't think he would mind me saying. He also, at this stage in his life, has quite pronounced health problems.

28:08He has Lewy body dementia and watching the dignity and courage with which he's dealt with that adversity has been the single most inspiring, affecting thing that I've ever been near to in my life. And it really does put everything in perspective. And I know that a big way that he's achieved that is through the shadow work that he prescribes. Yeah. Yeah, you're watching him use these tools. He finds that work and they work. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's wild. I want to meet him. You should. He's an amazing man. Yeah. Okay. So you kind of get into acting right to make friends. Is that true? Yeah. That little nadir, to use a grandiose word, but that little period of time where I was a bit lost, I became aware of other people doing drama.

28:55And I think I always had that swagger that you mentioned, masking stuff, but that really started to appeal to me. Took me a while, but when I was 15, I joined a youth theatre. Look, I used to be really reluctant to talk about myself as an artist. And I've completely lost that because acting is the thing that I love most. And I do consider it to be a craft and one that I will never really understand. And I love it. But tracing back to that moment, when I first had a taste of it, I remember as being a real inflection point in my life where I was like, this makes sense. There's something large about this.

29:39That to begin with, sure, was about a bit of attention seeking and probably was about making friends and fitting in and finding my tribe. But, you know, over the ensuing 21, 22 years, it's the thing that's the most important to me and started there at that youth theatre. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

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34:06Well, you probably tried on a few different identities by that point. And you have some light purchase on them. You're kind of convincing in that realm. But then when you actually find the thread that is the thing, you know in your heart, oh, wow, yeah, this is the thing I'm going to build my whole life around and my kind of identity. It's very powerful. When I did that first play. You were wearing a cocktail dress? That's right. Midsummer Night's Dream. Yeah, I've told this story too much. but it was a real moment and it look it makes for a great late night moment telling this story of me I basically had to step out on stage in a dress and I'd had so much anxiety and you know body consciousness and all this stuff and my voice hadn't broken it's just all felt wrong there's a make or break moment in your life it was a make or break moment and I stepped out in this dress to adoring laughs.

34:58And I just was like, thank God. In my memory, in my mind's eye, I sort of processed myself kind of looking around going, hang on, this is, you know, it was amazing. And I've loved it ever since. Why have you been reluctant to talk about acting before? You just thought it was silly. You know, we're all a mess of contradictions. I think particularly as a younger person, I did have a kind of cockiness and a swagger, but I also have a kind of classic British tall poppy syndrome thing, which runs completely in the face of it, where I sort of both have wanted to be the center of attention, but then I'm also embarrassed about it.

35:33Yeah, you Brits have really figured out how to torture yourself. We're really good at fucking ourselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we like to judge everyone else for their music taste and that kind of thing. The notion that the great British empire would have tall poppy syndrome is already the most ironic condition that the fucking country that has taken over the world could have. maybe it's some residual guilt of that like some probably so you get into the royal academy of dramatic art at what 17 or 18 i was a bit older i was 19 okay 19 yeah oh right because you didn't get in and then had to wait a year i did a round of auditions no joy and experienced what was probably one of my first real like little ego deaths and had a little moment to reflect and the second year i got in my guess would be like you were pretty hot shit in school and that you get kind of humbled dramatically by not getting in it it wasn't that i was hot shit i don't remember feeling like i was ever in a league above anybody else that i was doing acting with or drama with but i think i had in general a sort of slightly cavalier attitude of invincibility to things at that age that i think walking into an audition room where they probably want a sense of somebody being serious about the craft and growing up and mature, I probably read as being a bit whatever, you know?

36:51And so they put me in my place a little bit, I think. So in between school and Kingsman, you're on a TV show. You do a little bit of work. Yeah. But obviously this Kingsman thing. That was insane. Yeah. This happens once every five years where a new actor gets in a mega worldwide hit and it's overnight. I presume you had an agent at the time. I did. And they called and said, you're going to go read for this thing. Yeah, I was in Hoban in London and I was filming a TV show called The Smoke, which is about firefighters in London. And I can remember the street corner I was on, we were filming in an old arts building, which had been repurposed as this fire station.

37:27And I was on the end of a street and I had got this email through about something that was called Huntsman and, oh, Huntsman and some. And I wasn't sent the script. I was sent two sides, but it was a scene in a pub with Harry Hart, Colin Firth, and one other also with that character. I read those two scenes. I was struck by a certainty. I just knew that this is my part. Wow. I've had that one other time, actually, but many, many years later. But I remember it as kind of clicking into a mode and it feeling like, you know, like when you're, I don't know, preparing for some live event or creative pursuit and you feel like you're drawn into a kind of inexorable bit of momentum and you can't get off the ride and all of your being is channeled towards this one thing.

38:17that's what I felt like about that test I didn't know anything about who was involved I just knew that it really zinged off the page even at that age I was 23 went along to Warner Brothers Studios Leavesden which is where they filmed all the Harry Potter movies and they were setting up to do the movie and I somehow got a recording a taping with Matthew Vaughn in the room I don't know how I managed to get there he arrived 45 minutes late and i was nervous but i was also possessed by something yeah yeah and i read for him and i remember he didn't look at me once during the audition which i can remember feeling furious about yeah and that probably manifested somewhere in that attitude that character has and yeah that started a process of several weeks of auditions where, you know, I got to read the full script, learned that Samuel L.

39:16Jackson, Colin Firth, and Michael Caine were attached. It was mad, really. It was a really mad time. Do you think your brain compartmentalized in a helpful way where you were able to ignore the stakes of that? My own experience has been that my relationship with stakes has shifted as I've gotten older. Someone recently sent me a video of me singing with Elton. I don't recognize the guy who did it. You know, I'm like, wow, how did I do that? Yeah. But at the time, I was like, this is a movie I want to see. And that's the best feeling when you're an actor auditioning for something or hoping to be a part of something is like, if you feel like you're making something that you yourself would want to go to the movies to see, that's absolutely correct.

39:56You know, that's the right reason to be somewhere. And that's what I felt. And Matt obviously liked me and we went through all of these various different tests and readings and I ended up getting the part. It was insane. It was life changing. And it's funny. In some ways it feels like last year. And in other ways it was 13 years ago. A lifetime ago, yeah. Wild. Matthew Vaughn has said some interesting things about casting you. One being he liked that this would be overwhelming for you. He liked that this was too big of an opportunity for you because that is exactly what Eggsy was going through.

40:33He's this street kid with a fucked up family And now he's in the elite of the elite world of privilege and money and espionage, all the stuff. So that was like a quality he thought he could mine for it. No one outside of our industry wants to hear that it's hard to make a movie. No one wants to hear it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm not going to say it's hard to make a movie. But that was one of the more challenging creative episodes of my life. Isn't it great to have that as your first? Because then for the rest of your career, you're like, oh, it's not that hard. Nothing's been as hard as that one.

41:01Yeah, yeah. Wow. Even this last one? Tide. Amex. No, no, no, you kidding me? Really? Sag, I've got equal billing to Charlize Theron. That's true. Yeah, I was walking the park. No, that was a tough job. Matt, I think he's softened a little bit over the years, but at that stage, he was still pretty old school. You know, he's coming out of that Guy Ritchie 90s. I would flatter myself that I might have had an effect on him over the years. He's slightly softer than he used to be. But at that time, it was like, this is what you're doing. This is what you need to do. and this is how it's going to be.

41:36And it was tough. But again, it's kind of great because what Eggsy's going through is exceedingly tough. Life is tough, you know? Life's light and shade. And that's one of the things that Barry actually is, you'll know this from talking to Phil Stutz and the tools, the idea that pain and negative experiences are something that grow if you back away from them. And the more that you move towards them and attack them, the smaller and more manageable they get. It's an absolute truth. And time and time again, it's that thing, You know, the most obvious pedestrian one is I don't feel like going and doing hot mat Pilates this morning.

42:09I want to lie here and drink coffee in bed. But you go and do it. The gates to the kingdom open when you leave, you know. I do think it's an absolute truth. And you're exactly right, Dax. My experience of making Kingsman at the time was overwhelming. Yeah, yeah. It was the best training ground because nothing's been anywhere near as difficult since. Yeah, yeah. And also the thing that my experience about it that is one of the things that's harder to explain is the thing about acting is that it eludes you most of the time it's not like you show up and you do the thing and you're fucking great at it all the time like i'm shit at it most of the time now the filmmaker if they're any good make sure that they pick the bits where you're really good so you look like you're good but you've spent 90 of your working day being fucking frustrated and annoyed with yourself because you can't achieve that thing the flow thing where you're like oh i'm cooking here i know what i'm doing yeah yeah yeah so it's hard for a number of reasons but i I love it.

43:01I probably love it for those reasons because it does elude you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now in the movie, Colin Firth is very much your mentor. And I was curious, do you have the disposition where you can avow yourself to mentorship? Because like if I were you and I was in that situation, I probably would have missed a great opportunity to be mentored by him. No, Colin was amazing. I remember I was going through a difficult time. I broke up with my first girlfriend and I was really aggressively partying to deal with it. and was coming in in a bad way. And, you know, I remember there were a couple of days on Kingsman where Matt was like, you're going home, I can't film you today.

43:37Oh, wow. And Colin was amazing. He was never anything other than kind of gentle and fatherly and understanding. I actually found it and read it a couple of years ago because I'd never read it, but I remember him getting me a copy of Rilke's Letters to a Young Poet, which is an amazing collection of letters from Raina Maria Rilke to a young aspiring writer who admires his work and I would recommend it to anybody. It's just the most beautiful advice for life. And Colin bought me a beautiful edition of it at the time that I did not have the fucking bandwidth to look at, but I later found it on the shelf and a couple of years ago read it and was like, man, this was an incredible act of generosity.

44:20And he was always lovely to me. And when he saw the movie, I always remember what he texted me. He said, you are note perfect. he's such a generous kind man you know one of the reasons i would like to make another installment is because it would be fun to get to ride with colin once more yeah yeah your performance is astonishing for a first movie of that size and scale it's astonishing yeah i obviously had no clue who you were and at the end of that i was like yeah well everyone was like, who's that guy? I'm in. I'm in. Yeah, yeah. Did you learn some parkour? How good were they with the stunt doubles?

44:56No way, man. No, okay. No, that's Damien Walters, who's an incredible gymnast stuntman, now director, Greg Townley. There's a lot of people making me look very good in that movie. How did the ego handle the enormous success of that? That's a pretty light-switching moment. Honestly, I never felt like I had the moment of a rival. If I'm completely candid. I was an incredible shape for that movie. I think for the first time in my life, I felt really beautiful. And it was completely intoxicating. And I was like, oh my God, I am ripped. I've got this jaw. I've got all this hair. I mean, the hair was starting to go, but I had enough and I felt invincible.

45:39And when we finished the movie, I just went bang the other way. And I gained so much weight. And that really has been a feature of my adult life. In my 30s, I've kind of got a handle on it. But in my 20s, I never really felt like the movie. I never felt like, well, now I can go out and enjoy this, you know, because I didn't feel camera ready ever. So I never felt like I really got that moment to be strutting around. I never did. Again, you know, I don't want to sound like what was me. That's just my path. We all have our battles to fight. But that was my own personal experience of my own success.

46:16I withdrew a little bit. I bought a little place in my hometown. I would live there. I would then go away and film. I think in the face of that success, my instinct was slightly to withdraw a little bit. Do you think you'd do any self-sabotage? Because even when you said during filming and you were partying and like that's your huge opportunity, you know, it sounds like maybe there might have been a tiny bit of I don't deserve this. So I'm going to do a little self-sabotage. Maybe. I don't know. I definitely was flagrant with the opportunity with regards to what I would do on a Friday, Saturday night.

46:57I'd be dialed during the week and then I would fucking go for it on the weekend. I mean, most of us do. But when you're in that position. Oh, we could have had some real fun if I could have time-trapped. Back in the day. Yeah. I really relate to that, though, never ever experiencing the moment of arrival. I remember watching American Idol one season, or I watched multiple seasons, but this one time we were watching it and I'm on the couch with my wife. And once they make it to, I don't know, maybe it's the bottom three or whatever, the top three, they go back to their hometown and they take a ride in a convertible and the whole town cheers for them.

47:32And they weep uncontrollably because clearly they're experiencing it. I'm like, why have I never had that feeling? Yeah. I don't feel like it ever happens in some way. No. I don't know that that's really happening for them either. No, I know. I mean, yeah. That's the awful prison of those kind of shows is you're being presented an idealized version of things that does not fucking exist. Yeah, you get your dreams and then you're filled with elation. And I was like, where's the elation? You know, there were other ways that it was incredibly satisfying and life changing in terms of being able to buy a house and do things for people I cared about and experience an incredible uptick in lifestyle.

48:13But I never had that thing where I felt like now I'm the guy that made it. I'm the shit. Yeah. I have to ask one question about Tom Hardy because I'm pretty obsessed with him. What is it about him that you're his talent? He's so talented. Yeah. There's just these scenes in Peaky Blinders that is just so next level. They'll have the dialogue. They will have the upper hand. They will be delivering this thing. And he has a presence where you go, nah, they don't have the upper hand. He can't not have. Like there's something intrinsic about him. Talk about masculinity and my obsession with masculinity.

48:47He seems to embody all these things that if I were just like him, it would have been an easy ride. So I think it's very much fantasy. Yeah, I think that's right. But I also I admire, I think in my moments of insecurity, my instinct is to go bigger. Try to command control through volume and dominance. And I guess I'm intrigued by his opposite approach almost always. to what you think is going to command that. So I find that fascinating. And yeah, and then I'm just intrigued by what's really, I don't know, I'm so curious about that dude. But at any rate, you worked with him right after that, yeah?

49:22I did. Was he already kind of legendary status? He was. He was, yeah. And were you intimidated at all? No, I wasn't. I've thought a lot about that time because he is intimidating. He's also playing the craze, right? He was playing the craze. I had a kind of slightly odd angle to Tom because we were depicting a bunch of guys in a hyper-masculine world playing gangsters, but I was playing his lover, Ronnie Cray's lover. So my job was kind of to subvert it all. And Brian Helgeland, who directed it, was very open to us improvising and trying things out, which Tom loved, and I kind of grabbed that ball by both horns as well.

50:01I have all of my insecurities and all of my fears, but one thing I'm not worried about is I believe in myself as an actor. And so I think in that environment, I felt really excited to work with him because he's this unpredictable. He's a heavyweight. Yeah, he's a heavyweight. And, you know, as anyone knows, you're only as good really as the person you're opposite. And it's a dance. And he was someone I was really excited to dance with. And he and I got on really well. And your character, I would argue, if you're his lover, you are the person in his life that doesn't think he's so intimidating that you're afraid to get intimate.

50:37yes exactly so it's almost like required on you to be in the mindset of that to not be fearful of him or you wouldn't trust him there's a scene it never made the movie but i was so pleased with myself there was a scene where he murders someone and gets back in the car and i was sat in the back of the car waiting for him and i grabbed his face and i snogged him and it wasn't in the script i can remember backing off from him thinking i don't know how will this land but i think he loved it. I think, I think I have not seen it for 10 years, but at the time I think he quite liked my chutzpah. Yeah.

51:12That's ballsy. Yeah. Okay. So obviously the thing I'm most curious about after that is sing. Had you been singing? Where's the singing come from? Singing is a big thing in Wales. So I did choir stuff in school, loved singing. My real father's musical. And so that probably had an effect as well. I think I was introduced to music very young. There was always music being played because i auditioned for that it was in 2015 i think i got that audition through and i did know all the people involved and it was an incredibly illustrious cast and i went along and sang i think i sang these arms are mine i sang otis redding and ignored what garth had asked me to the director the options he'd sent i got the part and it's been a really lovely thing to be a part of they're such good movies i think you can say that when you're voicing in something because you're really so little to do with it.

52:02Yeah, yeah, yeah. A few hours. Yeah, you have a very interesting relationship with it. It's like you don't even feel like you're in the movie. That's right. You know they made a movie for two years, but you certainly weren't a part of that. So it's almost like disorienting when you hear yourself in the anime of thinking, oh, that's right, I'm in this. Yeah, you feel like an ambassador for the movie rather than actually being in the movie. Yeah, it is. It's really interesting. I only want to talk about Golden Circle. I'm just going to give you my defense of the movie. Go for it. I was on a tirade monocle, remember?

52:32Yes, we saw it together. You did? Yeah. And to the movies to see it together? We did with our friend Jess and Dax spilled popcorn everywhere and it was a huge deal. It was tripped. I had a huge fall. It had a huge fall and popcorn went everywhere at the beginning of the movie. I had a comically large portion of popcorn too. It was cartoonish. How did you respond to the fool? He died laughing. Before I even hit the ground, I was laughing at how ridiculous that looked. Because I threw like a 30 ounce drink and a 90 ounce popcorn. Bust a Keaton. Yeah, it really was. If we were at 120 frames, this would be so enjoyable to watch this fall for about three minutes because it's spectacular.

53:08And it's in front of all these people. And I've landed on a greasy popcorn. And he's famous. You know, there's a lot going on. A lot happening. This is perfect. I want this as bad as it can go. I kind of loved it, weirdly. But at any rate, I read some reviews and my anger was simply this. I compared it to automotive journalism. most writers at car and driver and road and track they don't want to own a honda accord they didn't get into writing about cars because they love honda accords but they have some integrity will they'll acknowledge hey all these things go 300 000 miles the fit and finish is off the charts you know you'll get a review that they understand why that is a great fucking car whether they like it or not.

53:49And my frustration often with reviews of movies is like, if it's not your type of movie, but you cannot discount the masterclass of directing that's on display. Like you have to acknowledge if you know anything about movies, what went into that movie and how well it was executed, you know, as a physical product, you must acknowledge that you can then go on to say, it's not my cup of tea or it's not my sense of humor or whatever, but just the full disregard of this thing and ignoring how much skill was on display and acting talent was on display and great music. I'm like, there's no integrity to this whole review thing.

54:27It's a tough one, isn't it? Because as an actor, it almost feels taboo to acknowledge any kind of relationship with critical evaluation and review. Right. It's like you should pretend it's not happening. And of course, how many of us are successful at that? Exactly. Even if you ignore it, it'll get to you. Yes, it'll get to you. The movie I just made is the first experience I've had where I got through it without succumbing to the temptation and reading them. It's the first time in my entire career that I've done that. I didn't read one. Look, I share your frustration. And the thing that has been my experience of it that I think is quite specific to my time is I feel like the integrity of it is compromised by the means through which you consume the review.

55:07A fair, balanced appraisal of something coming from a place of goodwill does not make for good clickbait. Exactly. So you have to understand the myriad of complex motivations there are in writing something. Everybody's fallible. Everybody's coming from their own subjective experience. Everybody has an agenda. My best mate, I can't remember what the movie was, but he worked with me for a time. He traveled with me and worked with me as an assistant. And I'm thankful to say that our friendship survived it. I spoke to him on the way here But I always remember him saying to me once There was a movie that we were both interested to see And I said Bro it's got shit reviews And he went I don't fucking care I'll make my own mind up He didn't say it even with that bit of vim and vigor That I said it with He didn't say it to prove a point He said I don't fucking care I'll make my own mind up And I thought wow what a statement of integrity And I think that that is something that I've tried to Practice Well and repeat to myself at the times where, because we all slip into the mode of thinking that external affirmation, validation is going to be the thing that makes us whole.

56:11And actually it never is. It's turning to yourself and going, well, how do I actually fucking feel about this? And I think I just can't imagine. Maybe I can imagine. I just think the desire to eviscerate something is an impulse that is worthy of scrutinizing. Yeah. It's like, why? Why? Sure. This is a pithy bit of writing. And yeah, you've managed to completely undress this thing. A large group of people have spent a couple of years making, but I don't know how much real value it has. Yeah. And I think it contributes to this issue we're having in this country, definitely right now, where it's like, if you like this, you're stupid.

56:43You don't get it. And it's like, oh, I guess I shouldn't like that. It's creating this division between like intelligent people and not intelligent people or like classy people and not. And it's like, this is not good for us. This is already such a problem. And these critical pieces are not helping. I think it's I've never thought of it that way. It's not good. I completely agree. Things are made for different reasons, for different people at different times. And I'm a different person today to who I was yesterday. And I'll be a different person again next week. And yeah, sometimes I have the kind of bookish filmmakerly appetite to watch something brilliant that was made in 1972 by someone that I should have watched.

57:21And sometimes I want to watch a kind of goofy Eddie Murphy movie made in the noughties because I want to just decompress. And that's fine. Yes, it's all valid. Yeah. Yeah. I think the thing that's going on, I totally agree with you, Monica, is like, I think because of the political identities got so massive over the last decade that that now is the muscle memory of like, oh, I got to declare my identity all the time. And I declare it on that thing. I had this situation where I had watched Justin Bieber singing at Coachella, just him on stage in a microphone. and I was so blown away by it and moved by it.

57:57We're all hanging out and someone's like, oh yeah, I heard it's like, he didn't even fucking do anything. He made$10 million and it's like, Sabrina Carpenter had this whole thing, this whole takedown of him, which by the way, I had seen simmering online and I was like, yeah, I just don't know how you could watch that and not feel the authentic power. That's exactly why it rocks. Because it's stripped back and it's him being on it. And she goes, I haven't seen it because it was only live, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, yeah, that's what happened. The silo she's in had declared that as a money grab and this and that.

58:29And she hadn't seen it, but her tribe, that was the synthesis. And I don't blame her. I do the same thing. But I was like, yeah, that's kind of what happens a lot of times. Their chamber declared a verdict. You've got to go along with it because that's your tribe and it's all about tribes. That idea of declaring an identity is, in some respects, it can be a really powerful thing, certainly for traditionally marginalized groups of people. And I totally get the power and the importance of that. But I think that on a different level, the idea of declaring anything about oneself as being fixed and absolute is sort of preposterous.

59:02And I hear myself do it sometimes. I go, I'm not really that kind of guy. I'm not a kind of guy who does this. And I hear myself and go, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a weird narrative you're writing about yourself as you go along. Like you're a mess of cells in a swirling chaos. We're trying to derive security from something. Yes, some permanence. I am this. I am this fixed thing. It's bollocks. It makes us feel safer. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like you've anchored into bedrock. But all you've anchored into is something that's not going to change and evolve as the context should demand that you change and evolve.

59:35Totally, exactly. I think, and by the way, I love capitalism. You've benefited well from it. Yes. And I think it brings the tech and it's raised the overall starvation rates and infant mortality. I think it's the best system we got. So I'm not critical really of capitalism. With that said, I think what's fascinating about capitalism is like, how long will it take before people themselves are a product? And that was a kind of an unimaginable scenario until social media. Because you literally have a billboard and on the billboard, you know, because you've watched every other product. The product declares what it does.

1:00:08and what it doesn't do and how it's opposite of that. Those advertisements or advertisements are declarations of what the thing is. And so we have just modeled our now presenting image online as a product. So we got to declare what we are and what we're not. And it's all very fixed and ridiculous. But I think we've become products in some way. And meanwhile, none of us know who we are or what we're doing. How the fuck we're going to move forward. and are all having mini existential crises several times a day. And these are huge questions that are way above my pay grade. But I know that for my own self, I'm kind of excited by my own capacity to change and be different from one moment to the next.

1:00:50And I think there's tremendous power in not allowing yourself to be too fixed or brittle or rigid in your sense of who you are. Okay. A lot of funny suspicious things along the way that add up to things where you could get suspicious wearing a sim, I would argue, you know, Elton John being a cameo in The Kingsman and then you having to sing for Sing really adds up quickly to you being in Rocketman. Yeah. I wish I'd read actual Young, but I haven't. But, you know, he talks a lot about synchronicity and that is one that kind of came up for me. I auditioned for drama school singing Elton as well.

1:01:26Oh, wow. When I was 18. And you sang Elton and Sing. And I sang Elton and Sing. It's suspicious. It is suspicious. Will you ever let yourself go down a fun, effervescent fantasy about the suspicion? Like, oh, there may be a little charmed magic dust floating around. You know what I think? I like to, back to the ideas of certainty and rigidity, I like to remind myself that my perception of the world is entirely fallible because my eyes are my eyes. And actually, who knows what forces are at play in the universe? I saw the Tony Hopkins episode and when I first met him, he told me about his fascination with Jung's ideas around synchronicity and how the song Procol Harams followed him around and he feels that there's significance and meaning to it.

1:02:12I like the idea that there are things at play in the universe that we don't fully understand. And I think I used to be somebody who had a very kind of staunchly atheistic, quite certain view of things that were quite stark and quite chaos driven. And I don't feel that way anymore. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. There's a freedom to that. Yes. And I also feel that when I believe in a benevolent universe, the universe gets more benevolent. That's right. Yes. When all of us humans, it's a very well-established bias, confirmation bias. Once you have a theory, you only see things that confirm your theory and you exclude all other evidence.

1:02:49If you want the real view of the world, you almost have to let go of any fucking theory because you'll miss everything else that doesn't confirm that theory. Yeah. God, we're getting so deep right now. I don't even know why. Should this be in a philosophy class? Should this be part of a curriculum? Anyways, Rocketman, I know that the Kingsmen were harder, but Rocketman is the biggest swing you may be ever taking in your life. I don't have the balls for that. Even if I could sing. Really? No. You know, I think it didn't feel like that at the time. Because can you recognize now it's like a fucking swinging for the fences?

1:03:23Not to drop a baseball metaphor on you. Maybe on the pitch. What do you do on a pitch? My masculinity. Absent father. No, there was something to do about the fact that it had a musical component and it was about somebody incredibly dysfunctional. A lot of the dysfunction I related to in terms of who he was, it just felt like a chance to express me. I'm really proud of that movie and I always will be. And I am proud that people who like Elton John like me in that movie. But I only ever really felt like I was expressing me. I was playing Elton John, but I also just felt like I was going, I'm going to use Elton John to slightly express something about who I am.

1:04:02Elton John was like the outfit you put on. Yeah, a little bit. He encouraged you to not do an impersonation, right? He said, go be you. Is that liberating? Yes, absolutely. And he's a brilliant, creative person. And I think he understands that in order to do something well, you have to feel a degree of ownership and authorship. nobody's going at any point oh elton john wouldn't have turned his head that way in 1981 because he was doing this or wearing that hat it's like who gives a fuck the point is that we're trying to capture the spirit of who somebody is by recognizing commonality between myself and him and it was a totally beautiful experience he's still somebody that i care about enormously and i will always always be thankful for it and i could not be more proud of the film i loved making it it was just awesome.

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1:09:10We're going to skip everything else because I've taken so much of your time. We're going to go to Apex. I watched Apex and my mother was in town visiting. She and I watched it together. She hates it. No, but I've never seen her have an experience in a movie like this. It was thrilling. I was so distracted by her. She's like, oh, oh, oh, Daxter. This might be too much. Oh, oh, get her off the cliff. Why is she going to? Oh, oh, here he is. Yeah, like she. Yeah, visceral. Yes. her arousal setting went to fucking 30. I loved it. Right out of the gate, I'm sure you don't know this about me, but I fucking love men's bodies more than anything in the world.

1:09:52Really? You're in very good shape. I love muscles so much. Yeah. What is it about it, do you think? Well, for me, I'll explain it as like being born in 75. And my first drive-in movie was Conan the Barbarian. Yeah, right, right, right, right. I was just like, wait a minute, a man can look like a gorilla? And then Stallone was at his height. It was like the birth of muscles. It's worth being wary of that, though, I think. Because that version of me in Apex, the guy who's whatever silly body fat I was and all kind of strong. Every day I punish myself for not looking like that. But the truth of the matter is that I starved myself.

1:10:25Exactly. You were probably miserable. And I was running myself absolutely ragged to get there. And Barry once told me, and it's such a great soundbite, but the idealized version of yourself. Look, I don't want to get too heavy. You were just talking about muscle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like he once said to me that the idealized version of yourself, the kind of hero version of yourself, your job is not to aspire to it. Your job is to smash it. Oh, wow. And I love that. It's been a great, a tremendous help to me. It's one of the things that is a challenge that nobody wants to hear about, but fluctuating relationship with your own images.

1:11:00Well, all of us have that. That's universal. Yes, absolutely. I'll hit you with my current understanding of my fascination. One is just I grew up in a house with a violent stepdad beating everyone up. Right. So when I saw Conan, I was like, oh, if I look like that, I got no problems for the rest of my life. So that was like, fuck, if I was Conan, I got no problems. Mom can wear her fucking tight tank top all she wants. You know, second. And I think this is the true thing that intrigues me about muscles is it's rare that you can see a visual display of someone's work ethic and dedication. And as someone who the my shadow is you're a lazy piece of shit who's undisciplined to conquer.

1:11:45That is to me the ultimate goal. I can see there's some dedication here. There's some execution. There's like real commitment. There's struggle. this is the proof of making oneself suffer for a goal kind of forget the goal in all honesty at this point for me I don't make myself miserable I eat in a way that like works for me that I'm not miserable at all that's so good I work out all the time because I'm a nutcase and it's my medicine and the esteem I get from knowing I did the thing I didn't want to do is joyous for me I love it And I feel the same way. I've always loved to move. And I am a little bit at odds with the world if I'm not doing it.

1:12:25But it's complicated. It's all tied up with food and all that shit, which we all struggle with. Yeah, but it's toxic. The tiny moments in my life where I've looked like I did those shirtless days in Apex or I did a show called Blackbird or in the first Kingsman. Those days, I just was filled with self-loathing. Yeah. I couldn't enjoy it at the time because I'd completely lost any distorted sense of perspective. Also, it ain't that deep. You bounce back, you carry on. It's fine. It's just what it is, you know? How about the attention you get from other men too? Isn't that hysterical? Well, that's the thing.

1:13:00Women do not give a fuck. No, we both know that. They don't care. That's an established fact at this point. In fact, sometimes it's like, in the way you're saying it's apparent when you look at someone's body, it's like god they really care about how much it's not it's like oh they it reads as vanity it can't they don't know i'm on an internal battle for self-discipline but you know what i do love there was a slightly different type of training i did for that movie it was much more functional than just getting pumped up and i felt so fit it felt amazing you know that just the joyous feeling of your body's just primed yeah great yeah peak like what it can get to yes i used to have a picture on my wall when i was about 15 that i drew because i used to love drawing i drew that classic arnie shape and would write i will get to this shape in x number of days and i know i'd mount a chin-up bar in my room and and i had no notion of how one achieves anything like that yeah yeah and it's crazy you know that kid to think that years later i would potentially be the model for another 15 year old kid who's head i'm fucking up by achieving unrealistic body type Do you know what?

1:14:13I feel like it's a part of the job and it's fine. I feel like during things like this, I do feel an impulse to say that it's a moment in time that you sweat for and you restrict the amount of food you eat for to get your body fat down. And there's a lot of pain. And while moving well and using your body is a prerequisite and it's important and we should all do it, that doing tons of rigorous aesthetic driven work is a path that can fuck you up. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I think there's a responsibility to say that sometimes. And also it's diminishing returns. Like right now, I think it's nice to think I can run and I can move.

1:14:49But who knows in 25 years, what is it going to be able to do? And what I refuse to do is turn into the person who hates their form as they age and change, you know, because the temptation is so there. And I do think you see it in people when they develop a kind of sense of being at odds with their own form. And I want to enjoy what it can do right now. And I want it to stay malleable and functional for as long as possible. But I also want to accept it as it shifts over the coming years. And I want to love it when I'm 75 and it maybe doesn't do as much as it usually do. I'll let you know if it's possible.

1:15:25I'm a bit further down the road, I'll tell you. Send the message back. Is the Aussie accent that you have in there? To me, it seems like you have a leg up on Monica and I trying it. Although to you, probably. It was a nightmare. I worked with an incredible dialect coach named Felicity. I think Felicity's surname begins with a J. I think it's Jerd. Sorry, Felicity. Felicity Jerd is right. It is right. Yep. Oh, you're right. You got it. There you are. Felicity Jerd. Wow. This is an operation. There's 23 people in the backyard right now. I am impressed. We did a lot of work. It is just a really tough one.

1:16:02And people warned me before the studio. In fact, we're very like, we'd actually be happy if you did it British. We would like you to be British. And I was like, well, that's not really what I want to do. But I remember I got a certain way into the process and it wasn't quite clicking in in the way that it has when I've done certain American dialects and things. Anyway, look, I think I got away with it, but it's a tough one. As a American watching, I feel like you nailed it. I haven't run it by any Aussie friends of mine, but I was like, oh, this is impressive. It's hard to know whether people are lying to you, but I feel pretty good about it.

1:16:34The whole thing with an accent is so dicey, in my opinion, because I remember doing a movie and I can't even fucking remember what was set in. And they got a dialect coach for me and I started going down the path. And maybe I'm just a quitter or I'm fearful, but I was like, this is making me way too self-conscious. I can't even think about what the scene's about. I'm thinking about where you showed me on the piece of paper. I'm changing this vowel to that vowel. And I'm like trying desperately to understand why I care in the scene or the other things. I had to make a call. Maybe I don't have the skill set.

1:17:03I was like, I can't prioritize that because it's going to take a toll on this other thing I care more about. But I think we're all different. We all have different skill sets. Yes. You can sing. There is no fucking way that I am ever getting up and doing stand up in front of everyone. I respect and see it for the extraordinary feat of artistry it is and daring. There's no fucking way I'm ever doing it. I'm not interested. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to go out there and die. No, thank you. And also I think, you know, growing up, whilst there are some really interesting, diverse distinctions between dialects in America, I do think generally there is a more cohesive sense of self with regards to the way that people speak.

1:17:40Whereas I'm from the UK and I moved from Liverpool to Wales. it sounds as different as South African does to American to most things, you know? So I think there's a fluidity that's baked into who I am. That means that it doesn't feel that way to me. To me, it feels like the first domino I'm knocking in a string of dominoes. It's going to change other things and lead me to feel like I'm really somebody else. So I did made a movie in the autumn where I made the conscious decision to not adopt any kind of difference in the way I speak and to play it as close to me as possible because I felt like I hadn't played a Brit for seven years.

1:18:14So I didn't feel like I'd played anything near to me. And the first week I thought I was going to have to give up acting. You were terrified? I was terrified. You had no artifice to hide. I had nowhere to hide. I felt overexposed. I didn't feel there was something I could lean into. And it nearly fucked me up. So it swings around and I would be nervous to go back there. I felt a little close to the heart. It was a weird thing to experience. I didn't see it coming at all. And then underneath of all that, or at least maybe an aspect of that, is it the fear like, well, I'm not interesting enough on my own?

1:18:48Maybe. I definitely know that I want to feel like things that I do are distinct from one another. And that's because, I don't know, maybe some sort of lofty aspiration to be like the people I most admire. But I do genuinely enjoy it. And I feel that once I, like I just made a movie in Australia that's actually set in New York. And I, for the first time in my whole life, I stayed in the accent the whole time. I've never done that before. Oh, offset. No, from arriving in the makeup bus to leaving at night. And what I found that in the car on the way home, I kind of struggled to shake it off. Not because I felt like I was this guy in 1957, but because you get into a muscularity.

1:19:30It's like, you know, when you're acting out as a kid and you like can't stop the bit that you're doing. It's like that. I agree what's so fun about doing something. For instance, I was in this movie Idiocracy. It was a character I used to do at the Groundlings. And once I start talking like him, Frito, I have completely different thoughts that Dax doesn't have. It's not weird. It is. It's so fun and interesting. Yeah, it's interesting as well, because going back to that thing earlier where we were talking about reviews and that sense of certainty about anything, there are so many different versions of me within me.

1:20:01And I think it's true of all of us. And that's one of the things that I really love about acting is it's like a way of embracing your multitude of self. Yeah, all the parts. You're not just this one. And maybe you're right. Maybe it is a self-love thing. Maybe actually I'm rejecting Taryn a little bit. You know, like I quite like the idea of being able to aspire to be somebody else for a little while. The movie, we should explain it. And it's been out for a minute. So probably most people listening will have seen it. But in a nutshell, Charlize Theron is a woman who is in love with a man. And that beginning opening scene is fucking bonkers.

1:20:39I just kept trying to figure out the math of how they had filmed that so convincingly. Them sleeping on the side of that cliff. Oh, my God. It brought me back to that fucking climbing movie we all saw. But her partner dies. She's on this kind of soul searching mission. She continues to be an outdoorsy person. She's going to go down to Australia and climb and kayak. Yeah, rediscover herself a bit. And she meets you at a gas station, right? And you kind of step in to protect her from some locals. You guys are in the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah. Were you down there? We shot that just outside of Canberra.

1:21:15Where's that? It's a city in Australia. It's got this kind of political seat of Australia. I think Canberra is the capital, I think. We'll edit that out if it's not. It is. Rob said it is. It'd be great. Yeah. Thank God. You've been great twice. Not as remote. as it appears, like many of the locations, all of the locations in that movie. Yeah. So I can't remember you playing a fucking evil human being. Is this the first time? Yeah. I did a TV show last year called Smoke on Apple where I played somebody pretty wobbly, but it's definitely a newer chapter in my life. You're a psychopath. Yeah. Yeah.

1:21:49I'm a total freak. And we meet you and you're very kind and soft-spoken. You're very appealing. It looks like you're going to be probably, you know, a good dude. A sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah. And then we have some more interactions with you as she's on her trip. And then the turn is one of the freakier turns I've ever seen. I do want to know a little bit about that moment where basically it's starting to occur to her. You're not a good dude. And then you basically put on a song for her. Yeah. So creepy. And you start dancing. It gets real creepy in a hurry. Yeah. The scene was written that way. Like, what's the fear level going into a scene like that?

1:22:30Well, massive. It was sent to me the fall of 2024. It was a slightly different version of the story. And the character originally was imagined as it felt like it was written for Chris Hemsworth, kind of like top knot beard man of the woods one with nature leaf whisperer sort of vibe and i read it and was like well i can't this is not me yeah they'd expressed a desire to rewrite it so i said i'd be really interested in us finding a version of it where it's a guy who wants to appear like that kind of guy because that feels more honest to who i am and what started was a really remarkable process of like creativity and open discourse for a quite big studio movie and they were really open to ideas so one of the first things we discussed i said look villains dancing in movies is not a revolutionary idea but i thought wouldn't it be cool if he kind of declared the beginning of this hunt and we could find a cool song and they were open to it and what was birthed was that sequence and i'd been searching high and low for a song and i was training over zoom with my trainer here in LA and that chemical brothers track came on in the gym.

1:23:40And so, yeah, I asked the chemical brothers, I wrote to them and asked if we could use their track and they let us use it. And it was quite a thrilling thing to shoot. Well, basically, can I just say it is a fun mental trick. If you had got there and they go, you're dancing to this song. Yes. You would have found nine reasons why that's not a fix, but it was your idea and you had to live with it. Exactly. Right. And also as much as I'm playing a sociopathic cannibalistic nut job that guy dancing is just me at a festival at 21 yeah it's just me it's just me at the chemical brothers in 2010 yeah you know so me bringing something of myself to it is what i think makes it extra weird because people are going oh my god this feels really real yeah and it is real because it is me i can feel that he is feeling this song yes yeah the song really is his song yeah yeah i'll put i'll put it in a two-way tie with was it buffalo bill and silence of the lambs when he can't put us out there you can't refuse that no i went like oh fuck dude this guy's even weirder than i was anticipating yeah i mean that's the buffalo bill opening that rope i'm very honored to say that i have a sort of slight pen pal relationship with anthony hopkins and I asked him before doing the movie for advice about playing a really fucked up individual.

1:25:05Wow, you got to go to the... The source. Yes. He said something like, he said, I don't know where Lecter came from, probably something in my childhood. But he said, the only advice I would give you, and I don't need to tell you this, but the only advice I would give you is don't play the evil. Play him as the hero of his story. I really took that advice forward with me. And yeah, I had a great time. Parts like that where the rules are a little bit malleable and you get to do something where you're being licensed to be as strange as possible. So freeing and expressive. How fun. I had a great time.

1:25:39Charlize is just a bad motherfucker in this. And honestly, I know that people say this when they're promoting movies, but the movie's been out. We're here as friends. I mean, she is a force of nature. Talk about grit. She really went there. And I think it's kind of what makes the movie work. She trained for so many months as a climber and has taken it on as a hobby. You know what you were saying about me really digging that song? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was her with the climbing. Yeah. Yeah, really. And I think that's what it takes to make it feel really real. Oh, my God. Did you get to keep those crazy teeth?

1:26:12No, I didn't keep those, actually. I hadn't shown them to anyone the day we filmed. I had them designed here in L.A., and I had them shipped over independently of production. Oh, God. No one had seen them when I did it on set. So Charlize's reaction is really legit. Because I think you could plan the most incredible scare in your real life. If like you're just having a wonderful evening with somebody and then you go into the kitchen to grab a couple more things and you come back and resume talking. You just don't do a thing. What a prank. I mean, that could. They are so fucking scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:26:46Yeah. You're missing out on a real good life prank. It's not as good as the bridesmaids actors with a little bit of chocolate cake on their teeth. That's so good. That's a great one. Last thing I'm going to say is I'm now following you on Instagram, which was new once we started doing research a while back. I just really enjoy you dancing. And I want to know about the decision to do so much public dancing, which I applaud. I, too, have a video of me dancing. So it's a big swing. Yeah, it's a big swing. It is a big swing. I think it's the shadow thing. For my entire 20s, I thought that what I should be aiming at, what I was supposed to be, choose your fighter.

1:27:23Those guys who epitomize the Hollywood leading man. And what I have found in my 30s to use rough parameters is that I am much happier when I'm not trying to be the guy. The man. The man. And I get it. Hollywood celebrates the man. And there's a reason, you know, there's a reason. Tom Hardy's the man. And it's cool. We like those characters. We like those guys. I like those guys. But it's not my path and it's not who I am. And I suppose me doing stupid dancing on Instagram feels like a statement of intent about me going, actually, I'm this guy. Yeah. And I'm okay with that. Yeah. And I like my weird.

1:28:00And I like my shadow. Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. I've been charmed on this show. We've done 1 ,200 episodes, but I'm putting you in the top 10 of charm. I am so charmed by you. Well, I felt when I couldn't make it the first time, I felt pretty wrong about it. So I'm glad we got to do this. Yeah. Me too. This is a blast. Thank you. So fun. I'm so rooting for you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. And everyone watch Apex. It's fucking stellar. Watch it with your mom and just see what happens to her physiologically, cardiovascularly. Check her heart rate. Thank you, boss. See how wobbly her legs are. Thank you.

1:28:33Thank you. All right. Be well, brother. Thank you. You too. Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break, here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. I just really shit the bed myself on my time management. Oh, okay. I had got all my workout gear on. I was like, should I ride up my bike today? Sure. Always a big question. Big, big question. And I was like, I really need to change this rear end or tube. The nozzle kind of popped off. It's still holding air, but I can't risk it. Okay. I'm going to need to repair it. And then just lift. We're going to lift. Got in my outfit. Then I went to, I thought, well, now I have a little extra time.

1:29:12I got to working on the bicycle. I did the tires. A little more challenging then. There's a lot of challenges. So when I finally got it all done, cleaned up the tools, let's go work out. I looked at my watch, 1240. My entire workout had blown by. Yeah. Yeah. That'll happen. Got away from me. That'll happen. He gets tinkering in the shop. You know, those guys get tinkering in the shop and the time just flies by. Blew right by. Oh, my lord. This cookie boy likes to tinker. Yeah. Cookie boys do like to tinker. They'll tinker. Your morning was good? Did time get away from you? My internet was out at the beginning of the morning.

1:29:54Wow. Unacceptable. I know. And I got a text from AT &T saying so, but I thought it was spam. Sure. Or a trick. I thought it was a trick and a way for them to take all my money. So I didn't click it. Kristen just dealt with the exact same thing. She started getting tons and tons of emails and texts from Spectrum. Oh. Like, we're going to shut your cable off. Okay. Shut off your internet. Sure. And she's like, I don't even think I signed up for the account. I don't think it's in my name or anything. Now there's a big. Mystery? There's a huge mystery. And it's so very similar. But the whole time, she's like, this is all a ploy to get my credit card.

1:30:31Got to be careful. I think they got it. They did? I think so. You're never supposed to click on it. Well, she looked up the actual web address for Spectrum, and it was the right web address. No, you don't click on it ever. Still scary. So scary. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I didn't click on it and I was wrong. They were. That was real. That was real. And that was out. And but then it came back. Oh, wonderful. Then it came back. But I do this right. I like plan. I plan my morning or my getting ready to the minute, which is a problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I I'm a busy girl. Yes. Very busy. I have a lot to fit in there.

1:31:16But then the makeup, okay, that's going to take seven minutes. And then it takes seven and a half. And then you add a half minute to each of these line items and you're late. Line items. Yeah. Yeah. Business speak. And then you're late. You do your P &L and you realize more losses than profits. And the ROI is low. It's not good. It's not good. It's not a good ROI. I hate all those terms. And then once I learn them, I realize they really are useful. I know. It's annoying and then I'm the person I hate. You've become the person you've always hated. It's almost my full arc as a human is becoming fully the person I hated.

1:31:54I did a good prank last night. Oh, my God. Tell me because I'm into pranks now. Okay. So as you know, my girlfriend Khaleesi is visiting. Yes, your little baby friend. She's seven, Kenny's daughter. I told you about the hike. We had a great hike. We held hands the entire time. I'd love to show you some pictures. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She calls Kristen, your wife, Aunt Kristen. My wife, Aunt Kristen. Previously, Dax's mom. Dax's mom, which is really sad. But I did discover after we talked, she is calling my sister Delta's grandma. Which is great. She kept saying, is Delta gone with her grandma to the movies?

1:32:34When is she going to be done with her grandma at the movies? So now Titi is grandma. So fun. Oh, my God. I'm scared for her to give me a name. At least it's consistent. So, like, if Kristen's my mom and my sister is Delta's grandma, those are their peers, which they are. Of course. In this weird structure. What if she started calling me, Dex, what about your Indian friend? Oh, no. Yeah. No. She's not going to do that. It's more of an age mix up. So, anyways, Khaleesi, Delta, Lincoln, Kristen, Kenny, and I went to Cafe 101 last night. Okay. We're in a big booth. Khaleesi's so excited. There's older girls.

1:33:13Yeah. Older girls have had enough. But I tell them, I try to tell them, you know, what if we went somewhere and there's two older girls, you know, it's really tough being a parent in these situations. I know. Because you're really kind of weighing a couple things. Yeah. I want to teach them to be kind and civil. And also, they're in their house. Yeah. They have some boundaries. I also want them to have boundaries. I don't know. I know. I think I may have made a mistake on this front. Okay. Did you advise them to? Well, I did. No, I told Delta the other day I did a pop out. I pop out here. I walked by and I decided to go pop into my house.

1:33:52And as I was walking by your friends, I heard you grunt. I was unloading motorcycles and power washing them. Yes. And I heard your little voice coming from like the woods. I said, hi. And you kind of like jerked around. This is why I'm into pranks now, actually, because it was actually very funny because you got really spooked. Well, and you were obscured behind FICA's like a row of hedges. So you got to watch me react and look stupid for a while. Yeah, it was really funny. Come on, God damn it. You said, who's saying hi? You got into that mode where you were scared. Protect my family, my property mode.

1:34:29Yeah, and I said, it's Monica. I'm here. I'm over here by the fence. Monica, your Indian friend. I'm over here by the fence. Your grandma. So then, yeah, you came over and then Delta came over. And so we were chit-chatting a lot. And yeah, she mentioned that there was going to be a young girl. And Khaleesi's so friendly. She wants to talk. She's so cute. Cute and friendly. She really wants to get into it. Was anticipating being, you know. A little overwhelmed. A little overwhelmed. But really her ire was towards Lincoln. Okay. She was like, Lincoln shuts the door and then I have to just play by myself with her.

1:35:07And also she looks at me and she says, please take care of it. And then I do. And I just, I don't want to do that this time. And I said, well, that's good. That's boundaries. You can. So I taught her about that. But then if you saw little Khaleesi excited to play with him, you'd be like, girls, get over it. I agree. So, yeah, Lincoln's largely spared because of the age gap. I think Delta's more interesting to Khaleesi. Yeah. Anyways, all this to say, we're at dinner and I love talking to her, right? Because I'm just messing with her the whole time. Exactly how I talk to Lincoln and Delta is there.

1:35:41Because she's family. She's Kenny. Yes, of course. So she's, Kenny says something she doesn't like. So she starts punching Kenny. She's like, won't stop punching him. He's like, stop punching me. And I go, Khaleesi, I'm going to tell you right now, they throw people out in this restaurant. They have a zero tolerance policy on violence. He's like, no, they won't. And I go, no, they'll throw you right out of here. And what is great is I've developed now without this ever in sight, I've developed a really good relationship with the busboy. Oh, nice. I love the dude. You know, we have a great rapport.

1:36:14So I go, that's it. I'm going to get the manager. So I got up and then luckily he was just standing right around the corner. And I go, oh, perfect. Will you tell that, ask that little girl she's been punching people. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah. So we come back and now there's an employee at the restaurant. And he goes, have you been punching people? And she, she was busted. She was so scared. She was about to get thrown out. And then we all started laughing and then she started laughing. It was great. She laughed. Yeah. But I came back with an employee and he got right into it. That is funny.

1:36:44Oh, it was it was glorious. Oh, I just got mirror neurons, though. Like I'm back to not liking pranks anymore. Because you're afraid of getting kicked out. Oh, my God. I would have cried. And then and then I would have felt bad that I was crying because I would know everyone else felt bad. Yeah. But I wouldn't be able to help myself. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot. There's a lot tricky. But it did stop the punching. Well, that's good. OK, so the other thing she and I have going is we are in the hot tub two nights ago. She's telling me all these different stories. And she tells me about how mean this gymnastics coach is.

1:37:18And he's real mean. And one girl is going to have her water. And he said, oh, you want some water? And he poured the water on her head. No, she's a liar. And I go, I'm going to be honest. I don't believe that story. And she's like, what? What do you mean you don't believe it? And I go, like, I trust you and I love you. But at the same time, I just, I really can't. I don't think I'm able to believe that story. and began this whole thing about believing that story. And then later she told me, you know, your eyes turn color when you lie. My grandpa told me that. And I go, yeah, I love your grandpa, Joe.

1:37:53He's one of my buddies, but I'm afraid I can't believe that story. And she fought me on that for a while. But then in the car on the way to Cafe 101, she was saying, yeah, my grandpa told me your eyes turn color when you lie. I don't think I believe it anymore. No, you made her turn on her grandpa. That's okay. It's good to be skeptical. You can't believe in fairy tales. But the reason the grandpa said it is because she's a little liar and she's running around telling lies. And the grandpa's basically saying, don't you do that. I'll just call her a liar. You don't need to make up a whole thing where her eyes.

1:38:31You can't call her your little baby's liar. You can tell kids exactly everything is what my experience. You do, but not everyone does that. We are having a blast. Although, don't they say that about hazel? It's like sometimes you're green, sometimes you're blue. Because sometimes you're in light that makes them look that way, and sometimes you're in light that makes them look the other way. Light is very. Wishy-washy? Yeah. Transient? It's very ephemeral. It changes, it moves, it's amorphous. Yeah. All to say your eyes don't turn a different color when you lie. Okay. This is back to me really wishing I had green eyes since I learned they're the rarest.

1:39:07rarest. Yeah. You didn't you already know they were the rarest? Did you need to learn that? We already talked about this. I guess I kind of knew in my heart of hearts. Haven't you just met the least amount of people with green eyes? Hmm. I'll answer for you. Yes. Well, no. Yes. You've met way more people with blue and brown eyes than green. Well, brown. Yeah. Brown's a diamond. Brown. Here we go around. Also, I love browns. Don't listen to her. Daniel Ricciardo's brown eyes. I know. Like a saddle would. I know, but like, it's just you always want, the grass is always greener when your eyes are green.

1:39:45Yeah, no, I, Rob, what color your eyes, brown? Blue. Wow, see, I don't really know. That was a dangerous question. Why? Because people take it so personal if you don't know their eye color. Really? Oh, no, I'm sorry, Rob. This is one of these, I think, trends about how to out guys for, you know, another thing guys are terrible at is like, Guys don't know your eye color. This is a test for a guy. Oh. What's your mom's eye color? What's your wife's eye color? Eyes colors. Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's real dangerous. People get very hurt if you don't know what color their eyes are. Do you know what color mine are?

1:40:21Blue. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know that. Because this whole time we were talking about it. Yeah. I think I sort of thought blue eyes were the rarest. Oh, wow. I don't know how you thought that. I like blue eyes the most. Name three people with green eyes. Okay, Callie. She has green eyes. Are we playing it fast and loose? No. Okay. Let me text her. There's solid green. Let me text her. Well, what's solid green? Is there such a thing? Callie might be mad because now we're back to the thing. I said you have green eyes, right? She just goes, I'm so hurt. Lose my number. I think she has blue eyes. She doesn't.

1:41:03Okay. Um, she either has green or hazel. Okay. My friend Gina, green or hazel. Okay. You're asking me? No, I'm telling you. These are two people. Okay. So we're up to two. All right. And, um. You're currently sitting with two people with blue eyes. So that's already neutralized. Okay. So evens, even Stevens. With the immediate people in your vicinity and all the people in the world, you know, yes, it's even Stevens so far. What does Kristen have? Blue. Blue. And the kids have blue? Yeah. See, I'm not paying much attention. You know, the kids have blue. They're so prototypical blonde blue. I know, but they're generic.

1:41:43I don't I think I don't you know, people think eyes are like the window to the soul. Yeah. And I guess I get like when I look like in your eyes, I get it. Like where the human is. Right. Yeah. But I guess I'm never looking. You can't see very well, though, in your defense. I don't know that you can even see most people's eyes. Your eyes are like. Shit blue. I don't see that when you know I have brown eyes. That's so insensitive. Yours are like grayish blue. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I would agree with that. Yeah, which is nice. Jess has said the nicest thing about my eyes as anyone has ever said.

1:42:24What did he say? He said there's icicles in them. Oh. It's very sweet. You know what color my brother's eyes are, right? What are his eyes? His eyes are probably green. No, they're red. That's his hair. He has brown eyes. Go ahead. Test it. You're a bad boyfriend. I'm a much better boyfriend than you are. Color your eyes, question mark. He's just going to start crying. He'll get back to you in 30 minutes. Well, should I insult? Exactly. What else did you tell me you don't care about me without telling me you don't care about me? Actually, when I'm like all my all the girls in the pod, I'm really trying to think.

1:43:01Who's got what? I don't know. Yeah. And the boys. I guess I hate eyes. Yeah. They're not your thing. OK, we have a really important thing to do. Oh, we're going to finally do the. It's a quiz. From the book. What book? The quasi. Oh, no. But we. OK. Do it next week. Tune in next week for. Us saying we'll do it the following week. For the green hat. So what quiz is this? Okay, this is highly sensitive person quiz. Oh, wonderful. Because this is for Blaze. Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. We are supported by AutoTrader. All right, if you've been putting off car shopping because it sounds like a whole thing, buying your car online on AutoTrader makes it way easier.

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1:44:34Now. Do you want me to read it? I always feel bad. You're always administering the quizzes, and I'm happy to do it if you want. I'd like to do it. Okay. Okay. Now, discover your personality. Choose your gender to start. Male. Okay. You find it easy to make new friends. Strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree. Strongly agree. You could spend days learning about random things that interest you. Oh, strongly agree. When others are - You seem to have nothing to do with sensitivity. It's interesting. When others are upset, you feel upset too. Oh, yeah, I hate it. Which one? Agree or strongly agree?

1:45:07Strongly agree. You aren't one for backup plans. Yeah, that's - I'm not going to go strongly. I'll go to the next one. Okay. You stay cool, calm, and collected, even when under lots of stress. Yeah. Which one? Strongly agree. Right? Have you ever seen me losing my shit? Yeah. Oh. Oh, my God, yeah. Oh, my God, yeah. Wow, really? Yes. Oh, wow. Okay.

1:45:37I just think when the shit's hitting the fan, I'm very calm. Is that not what the question is? You would agree with that. Yeah. My car's on fire, and I'm like, okay, let's get the hood open. Like, there's no, I have no, oh, no. There's no oh, no in me. Right. When your car's on fire. Yeah. Okay. When out and about, you don't really introduce yourself to new people. You prefer to chat with people you already know. That's true. Even though I can make friends really easy. That's true. Okay. But not strongly. So regs. Let's go medium. Neutral or agree? Let's go neutral. Okay. Yeah, because part of your thing is that you like talking to strangers.

1:46:14It's really weird. I like to talk to either dead strangers or people I know. It's periphery people that people I know know that make me nervous. I understand. Yeah. Can you understand? That's weird, isn't it, though? But like if I'm at a gas station, I talked like I'm I'm very engaged. Yeah. You want to learn about that or the server or whatever. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to ask the Uber driver where they're from. Right. Yeah. But if like the Uber driver, I kind of remember his friends with Callie. I'd be like, oh, fuck. Oh, no. Not her specifically. Callie's friend is so cool. But, you know, any friend of a friend.

1:46:55I know. It feels like you have to be on in a little bit of a different way. Yeah, we're supposed to connect because we. Yeah, I get it. I'm like a no across the board. I don't want to talk to strangers and I don't want to talk to friends either. Yeah. Okay. You don't like to start a new project until the first one's finished. Mm-hmm. Agree. Okay. You're a sentimental type of person. Yeah, I strongly agree. Okay. You enjoy using lists or schedules. Neutral. Okay. Making a small mistake can make you question your knowledge on a subject. Medium. Agree. Neutral or agree? Medium agree. Is that four?

1:47:31Just agree. Yeah, agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. You easily spark up a conversation with a stranger. Oh, five. Five. You love talking about and analyzing creative works. Four. You follow your heart more than your head. That's an interesting one. Boy, that's that's a hard one to. That's hard. Be objective about. What do you think? I'm open to your. You follow your heart more than your head. I kind of think so. I do, too. I do, too. Yeah. Agree. Regular four. Right. You tend to prefer following a daily routine as opposed to just doing whatever you want. Yeah, I love a daily routine. Strongly? Strongly, okay.

1:48:11When you meet new people, you worry about whether you made a great first impression. Five, yeah. You prefer solo activities over group activities. Neutral. Okay. You love watching movies that let you interrupt. Oh. A little projection. No, not projection. Just interject. Interrupting. You put something. I wrote. What if I started changing the quiz? Yeah. You love to interrupt. What do you think? Six. You love watching movies that let you interpret the ending yourself. That's a good question. Four. You get more happiness from achieving things yourself than you do from helping others. Yeah. Terrible quality, but yeah.

1:48:54Five. Five. Five. You aren't interested in very many things. Oh, strongly disagree. You often worry about the worst possible scenario in any given situation. You love taking up leadership roles. Five. You are an artistic type of person. Four. The world would be better off if people made more decisions with their feelings. No. It'd be worse. You strongly disagree? Yeah, strongly disagree. Well, you work with your heart. I know, but I'm allowed to and no one else is. Okay. You prefer to relax before getting into chores. That's weird. Relax before getting into chores. You don't. I don't. Yeah, so you're.

1:49:32I like to keep the motor floored or off. So that's a disagree. Okay. You don't mind when other people are having a heated argument in front of you. Oh, this is interesting. Yeah, I don't mind. I like, yeah, I like it. So you. Is horny an option? Strongly agree. Strongly agree. You like being the center of attention. Oh, 15. Your mood is. This is like how gross you are, quiz. Your mood is generally pretty stable. Yeah, I'd say four. You have plenty of patience for people that aren't as efficient as you. Zero. No. Strongly. Yeah, strongly disagree. You're spontaneous. Ooh, five. You have always been fascinated by the question of what, if anything, happens after death.

1:50:18Neutral. You prefer to be on your own rather than with others. Neutral. You love theoretical discussions and can engage in them for days on end. Fifteen. You have a hard time empathizing with people who come from a very different lifestyle to your own. Hmm. Interesting. Oh, I feel like you have a, what would you give me on that? You have a hard time empathizing people who come from a very different. Also remember where I'm from. I know. Yeah. I love gay dudes. I'm going to say something ballsy right now. Yeah. I think that has more to do with your contrarianism than it does with your empathy. Wow.

1:51:01And I mean that positively. I think you you always want to look at the other side and you don't like a status quo. Yeah. Michigan, there's there was a status quo about people. And I think it was not empathy that drove you. But I have an outcast identity. Right. So I think I like it's easy for me to lock into. I don't know. I'm going to go neutral. OK, I think I'm I think I'm more I think I'm more empathetic than the average dog from where I'm from. OK. But also, yeah, a lot of times, like I had to definitely become friends with you before I was able to truly understand how hurtful doing an accent.

1:51:40I wouldn't even use me as a, no, I wouldn't use. Let's use you. I actually mean more like, I think currently you can't empathize with like a very hyper liberal person. And that is from where they come from too. Well, let me let's see, though, is it that I can't empathize? I mean, I think I understand where they're coming from. I think it's going to end in defeat. Yeah. So I have like a real strong objection that I don't think we're ever going to get in power again unless people have a reckoning. So neutral. We're going neutral. When there's a decision to be made, you want to make it right away.

1:52:23Yeah. Four or five. Five. You tend to second guess the decisions you make. No, I disagree. Socializing quickly exhausts you. Socializing quickly? If you start socializing, are you quickly exhausted? Oh, no, I'm energized. Strongly disagree. You enjoy going to art museums. No. Oh, my God. I hate them. Oh, my God. I went to one recently and it was lovely. I went by my cell. Oh, where? This one in Echo Park. And I went to see this awesome artist. Her name is Sophie. I'm already a fan of hers and she had an exhibit there so I went and I got a coffee and I went by myself and I felt so cultured and you really enjoyed looking at the paintings I did yeah but there was only like I was in and out pretty quick okay well there weren't that I mean I can remember the couple that I've loved I've loved two the old Picasso one in the alley in Barcelona and then the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam I like walking around the getty but it's like i look at the paintings and i'm i feel like um larry david right i'm like i'm more annoyed that other people are getting some transcendent experience that i might not be and i'm like why what is i see yeah uh this is a ding ding ding for my other fact which isn't a fact but is flower poopy the flower puppy um outside the guggenheim in bilbao yeah frank geary designed building.

1:53:50I went there. Yeah. Yeah. That came up in this episode. Oh, right. And I just, I went there with Callie and, um, it was great. You loved it. I loved it. Yeah. And I'd like to go back. Yeah. Okay. You struggle to understand what others are feeling. No, I disagree. Disagree. Okay. You like to have a to-do list for each day. Where I answered this. no i don't i don't regs don't regs disagree you often feel insecure i mean what year is this question being asked now um rarely disagree yeah but but regs you prefer talking to people on the phone over texting or messaging them i used to but not anymore disagree disagree regs when someone has a different perspective on a subject than you you genuinely try to understand where they're coming from.

1:54:41I'd go rags agree. I think so. You find that telling the cold hard truth is more important than being tactful. Yeah. Five. He almost puked. You're happy to go with the flow when your plans are interrupted. No, I'm not at all. That's a strong disagree. Mistakes you made in the past often haunt your mind. Oh, five. You feel energized after spending time alone, engaging in solitary activities like reading or reflecting. Not energized. No. Rags disagree. Okay. You prefer to rely on your instincts rather than sticking strictly to a set plan or schedule. Oh, five. You often find yourself deeply contemplating the underlying meanings and implications of things rather than focusing solely on the surface details.

1:55:23Regs agree? I think. That's a neutral for me? No, I think you're... Strongly agree? Yeah. Okay. Okay, strongly. When making decisions, you prioritize logic and objective analysis over considering how it might impact others' feelings. I agree. You are... I would have gone right, but okay. I think we're there. You often find yourself worrying about potential future outcomes or what could go wrong in a given situation. You often find yourself drawn to new experiences and enjoy exploring unfamiliar places. Strongly agree. You tend to trust your gut feelings and intuition when faced with difficult decisions rather than relying solely on logical analysis.

1:56:00Neutral. Okay. You feel a strong sense of empathy towards others and are often affected by their emotions, even if they don't directly involve you. Well, I'm affected by people's emotions, but you said I'm not empathetic. So I'm going to have to take that. Let's go regs agree. I didn't say that. Okay. You prefer to have a well-structured plan in place rather than leaving things up to chance or improvisation. Regs disagree. Okay. You thrive in dynamic, fast-paced environments and feel invigorated by challenging situations that require quick thinking and adaptability. Five. When faced with a problem, you're more inclined to seek out practical solutions rather than dwelling on abstract theories or hypothetical scenarios.

1:56:39That's a hard one. That is. I would go neutral. Okay. You enjoy engaging in deep, meaningful conversations with others. Yes. Five. I agree. You often find yourself reflecting on past experiences and considering how they've shaped your beliefs and values. Too much so. Yeah. You're inclined to take charge in group settings, assuming leadership roles and guiding others. You already asked that. It's a cheat. There should be a question like, do you hate being asked the same question twice? Or rather, it would say you hate being asked the same question. Oh, my God. OK, you feel most comfortable when your environment is organized and structured and you may feel stressed or unsettled in chaotic or unpredictable situations.

1:57:15I agree with that, which seems like a contradiction. I know. But yes, I keep my room really clean on my side of the thing. You know, like I am. Yeah, I'm a little bit of a. You prefer spending time with a small group of close friends rather than attending large social gatherings. Yeah. Yeah. Four or five? Five. When presented with multiple options, you tend to follow your heart and make decisions based on what feels right in the moment. They're trying to confuse us. They keep asking the same question, but slightly different than you wonder. Yeah, that's how all these are. And they're trying to catch you being inconsistent, and they're about to catch me.

1:57:49One more time. When presented with multiple options, you tend to follow your heart and make decisions based on what feels right in the moment. Yeah, I agree with that. Okay. You enjoy exploring new ideas and concepts, often seeking out opportunities. Okay, yeah. Fine. You find it easy. We're really trying to piss us off. You find it easy to. What if at the end it said, did this piss you off? And that's the only question that matters because you're so sensitive. You find it easy to adapt to changes and plans or unexpected situations. No. Regs, no. Often seeing them as opportunities for growth and learning.

1:58:19No. Okay. I mean, I get there after a long, long time. A long time later. When working on a project, do you value efficiency and strive to complete tasks quickly and effectively? Yeah, five. You often seek out opportunities to challenge yourself and push your limits, whether it's through physical activities or intellectual pursuits. Strongly agree. You prefer to focus on the present moment rather than dwelling on past regrets or worrying about future uncertainties. No. Rags disagree. You enjoy engaging in lively debates and discussions, sharing your—yep. Fine. Okay. You have a strong desire for structure and order in your daily life, feeling most at ease when following a clear routine or schedule.

1:58:52This is crazy. It's getting really crazy. You tend to be proactive in seeking out new experiences and opportunities. Embracing change is a natural part of life. I like new things, but I don't know that I embrace change all that well. So let's go neutral. Okay. Do you feel energized and excited by social interactions? Often seeking out opportunities to meet new people. Is it like, is there a glitch? No, but it is different. Often seeking out opportunities to meet new people. I do do that. Let's go, Rex. Okay. When making decisions, you prioritize logical reasoning and objective analysis, considering the facts and evidence before reaching a conclusion.

1:59:32I'd say four. Oh, four. You tend to be highly self-critical and introspective, frequently reflecting on your actions and decisions and striving for self-improvement. Five. You often find yourself empathizing with others' emotions, even if you haven't experienced the same situation yourself, and strive to offer support and understanding. I'm not good at that. Let's go to Greg's. Greg's disagree. Yeah. You prefer to have a clear plan and direction in life, setting specific goals and working diligently to achieve them. Regs agree. Okay. What is your current relationship status? Married. Yeah, but five?

2:00:09What is that? No, now it's me. Oh, now we're, okay. Married. Married. How long is your current relationship six plus years? How many relationships have you been in? Oh, God. There's zero, one, two, three, four, four plus. Four plus. Four plus. Oh, wow. Wow. This is personal. How long is your penis? How satisfied are you with your current relationship? We have dissatisfied, somewhat satisfied, mostly satisfied, very satisfied. Very satisfied. What's your age? Oh, God. 500. It's not even an option. Oh, my God. I'm too old to take this quiz. No, it's 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and above 60 plus. Oh, so I'm OK.

2:00:51But it's just weird to say 50s. Well, that's not even as concerning as I thought I was going to say 50 plus. Right. No. And then the rest of everyone. OK. Mail. Submit. Is he going to ask you for$2.99? Yes. Uh-huh. Oh. Oh, my. These bastards. What the fuck? I have to pay it. I know because we filmed the whole segment. Oh, my God. What bastards. I am sensitive. Someone made this test up in their fucking basement. I mean, it is Blossom.co. Oh, that's not confidence inducing.

2:01:34But some of their questions were good and repetitive. Some of their questions were great. And then on the second time, they were good. And then sometimes on the third time, they were no good. You didn't love it. How much do I owe you for this? Was it$2.99? It was$1.99. Are they going to give you unlimited tests? Oh, you can take more quizzes. Oh, good. Oh, that's fun. Okay. Well, let's find it. Be my results. Show me. Oh, no. Oh, fuck. Another paywall? No, this just isn't about. This isn't. I didn't have anything to do with this. You're an ENTJ. An ear, nose and throat? Oh, no. This wasn't even a highly sensitive person test.

2:02:17Oh, my God. What kind of test was this? It was like a, you know, those, it's called something and it's, it's a personality type. Someone's happy right now. Like someone has wanted us to take this test, but we don't know about it. No, it's like an Enneagram test. It is, but it's like a really common one. You're an EN or an INFG. But it won't tell you the name. I think it's Myers-Briggs maybe. Let's see. ENTJ personality. Stanford Prison. It's Myers-Briggs. That's like the original one. So that's cool. Now, you know. What am I, an ENT? You're an ENTJ. That's a confident leader. Okay. That tracks.

2:02:5776 % extroversion. Okay. I'd agree with that. Method of processing information. 81 % intuition. ENTJs are intuitive thinkers fascinated by possibilities, patterns, and future outcomes. Interesting. Okay. 55 % thinking. That feels like neutral. That's a push. Well, because it's either. So it's introversion versus extroversion. That's the I and the E. Intuition versus sensing. OK. That's your method of processing information, your intuition. Decision making functioning is thinking or feeling. You're thinking, but at 55 percent. Yeah, I'm on the fence. And then management function is judging or perceiving.

2:03:44And you're 61 percent judging. wow what a left turn we still don't know if you're highly sensitive right we'll have to find that test and we'll do it when we do the they they tricked me briggs and stratton test from your book what was that called myers briggs no from your book oh yeah green hats green hats What a mess of a fact check this was. All right. All right. Goodbye. Love you. Oh, are there any facts? That was it. Oh, great. Yeah. Love you. Love you.